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Freakonomics Radio

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Freakonomics co-author Stephen J. Dubner uncovers the hidden side of everything. Why is it safer to fly in an airplane than drive a car? How do we decide whom to marry? Why is the media so full of bad news? Also: things you never knew you wanted to know about wolves, bananas, pollution, search engines, and the quirks of human behavior. To get every show in the Freakonomics Radio Network without ads and a monthly bonus episode of Freakonomics Radio, start a free trial for SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

Episodes

638. Are You Ready for the Elder Swell?

In the U.S., there will soon be more people over 65 than there are under 18 — and it’s not just lifespan that’s improving, it’s “healthspan” too. Unfortunately, the American approach to aging is stuck in the 20th century. In less than an hour, we try to unstick it. (Part three of a three-part series, “ Cradle to Grave .”) SOURCES: James Chappel , professor of history at Duke University. Katy Fike , co-founder of Aging 2.0 and managing partner of Generator Ventures. Kristen Fortney , co-founder a...

Jun 27, 202555 minEp. 638

What Do Medieval Nuns and Bo Jackson Have in Common? (Update)

This episode explores the concept of spite, examining whether it's a rational economic behavior. It delves into historical examples like medieval nuns, modern behavioral economics experiments on human nastiness, and the famous case of Bo Jackson rejecting a multi-million dollar NFL contract. The discussion questions if true spite exists or if seemingly self-destructive actions always contain an element of self-interest or emotional reward.

Jun 25, 202536 minEp. 126

637. What It’s Like to Be Middle-Aged (in the Middle Ages)

The simplicity of life back then is appealing today, as long as you don’t mind Church hegemony, the occasional plague, trial by gossip — and the lack of ibuprofen. (Part two of a three-part series, “ Cradle to Grave .”) SOURCES: Jordan Cavalier , performer at the New Jersey Renaissance Faire. Matt Schwarz , harpist at the New Jersey Renaissance Faire. Phillipp Schofield , professor of history at Aberystywth University. Neslihan Şenocak , professor of history at Columbia University. RESOURCES: A ...

Jun 20, 202546 minEp. 637

636. Why Aren’t We Having More Babies?

For decades, the great fear was overpopulation. Now it’s the opposite. How did this happen — and what’s being done about it? (Part one of a three-part series , “Cradle to Grave.”) SOURCES: Matthias Doepke , professor of economics at the London School of Economics. Amy Froide , professor of history at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County. Diana Laird , professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of California, San Francisco. Catherine Pakaluk , professor of economics at The C...

Jun 13, 202550 minEp. 636

An Economics Lesson from a Talking Pencil (Update)

A famous essay argues that “not a single person on the face of this earth” knows how to make a pencil. How true is that? In this 2016 episode, we looked at what pencil-making can teach us about global manufacturing — and the proper role of government in the economy. SOURCES: Caroline Weaver , creator of the Locavore Guide. Matt Ridley , science writer, British viscount and retired member of the House of Lords Tim Harford , economist, author and columnist for the Financial Times Jim Weissenborn ,...

Jun 11, 202540 minEp. 236

635. Can a Museum Be the Conscience of a Nation?

Nicholas Cullinan, the new director of the British Museum, seems to think so. “I'm not afraid of the past,” he says — which means talking about looted objects, the basement storerooms, and the leaking roof. We take the guided tour. SOURCES: Nicholas Cullinan , director of the British Museum. RESOURCES: " Inside the British Museum: stolen treasures and a £1bn revamp ," by Alice Thomson (The Times, 2025). " British Museum gems for sale on eBay - how a theft was exposed ," by Katie Razzall, Larissa...

Jun 06, 202551 minEp. 635

634. “Fault-Finder Is a Minimum-Wage Job”

Austan Goolsbee, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, is less reserved than the average banker. He explains why vibes are overrated, why the Fed’s independence is non-negotiable, and why tariffs could bring the economy back to the Covid era. SOURCES: Austan Goolsbee , president and chief executive officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago. RESOURCES: " Internet Rising, Prices Falling: Measuring Inflation in a World of E-Commerce ," by Austan Goolsbee and Peter Klenow (American ...

May 30, 20251 hr 2 minEp. 634

633. The Most Powerful People You’ve Never Heard Of

Just beneath the surface of the global economy, there is a hidden layer of dealmakers for whom war, chaos, and sanctions can be a great business opportunity. Javier Blas and Jack Farchy, the authors of The World for Sale , help us shine a light on the shadowy realm of commodity traders. SOURCES: Javier Blas , opinion columnist at Bloomberg News. Jack Farchy , energy and commodities senior reporter at Bloomberg News. RESOURCES: The World For Sale: Money, Power, and the Traders Who Barter the Eart...

May 23, 20251 hr 6 minEp. 633

How to Succeed at Failing, Part 4: Extreme Resiliency (Update)

Everyone makes mistakes. How do we learn from them? Lessons from the classroom, the Air Force, and the world’s deadliest infectious disease. (Part four of a four-part series .) SOURCES: Will Coleman , founder and C.E.O. of Alto. Amy Edmondson , professor of leadership management at Harvard Business School. Babak Javid , physician-scientist and associate director of the University of California, San Francisco Center for Tuberculosis. Gary Klein , cognitive psychologist and pioneer in the field of...

May 21, 202553 minEp. 564

How to Succeed at Failing, Part 3: Grit vs. Quit (Update)

Giving up can be painful. That's why we need to talk about it. Today: stories about glitchy apps, leaky paint cans, broken sculptures — and a quest for the perfect bowl of ramen. (Part three of a four-part series .) SOURCES: John Boykin , website designer and failed paint can re-inventor. Angela Duckworth , host of No Stupid Questions , co-founder of Character Lab, and professor of psychology at the University of Pennsylvania. Amy Edmondson , professor of leadership management at Harvard Busines...

May 16, 20251 hr 4 minEp. 563

How to Succeed at Failing, Part 2: Life and Death (Update)

In medicine, failure can be catastrophic. It can also produce discoveries that save millions of lives. Tales from the front line, the lab, and the I.T. department. (Part two of a four-part series .) SOURCES: Amy Edmondson , professor of leadership management at Harvard Business School. Carole Hemmelgarn , co-founder of Patients for Patient Safety U.S. and director of the Clinical Quality, Safety & Leadership Master’s program at Georgetown University. Gary Klein , cognitive psychologist and p...

May 14, 202553 minEp. 562

How to Succeed at Failing, Part 1: The Chain of Events (Update)

We tend to think of tragedies as a single terrible moment, rather than the result of multiple bad decisions. Can this pattern be reversed? We try — with stories about wildfires, school shootings, and love. SOURCES: Amy Edmondson , professor of leadership management at Harvard Business School. Helen Fisher , former senior research fellow at The Kinsey Institute and former chief science advisor to Match.com. Ed Galea , founding director of the Fire Safety Engineering Group at the University of Gre...

May 09, 202556 minEp. 561

632. When Did We All Start Watching Documentaries?

It used to be that making documentary films meant taking a vow of poverty (and obscurity). The streaming revolution changed that. Award-winning filmmaker R.J. Cutler talks to Stephen Dubner about capturing Billie Eilish’s musical genius and Martha Stewart’s vulnerability — and why he really, really, really needs to make a film about the New York Mets. SOURCES: R.J. Cutler , filmmaker. RESOURCES: Fight for Glory , documentary (2025). Martha , documentary (2024). " Reality Check: The Boom—or Glut—...

May 02, 202554 minEp. 632

631. Will "3 Summers of Lincoln" Make It to Broadway?

It’s been in development for five years and has at least a year to go. On the eve of its out-of-town debut, the actor playing Lincoln quit. And the producers still need to raise another $15 million to bring the show to New York. There really is no business like show business. (Part three of a three-part series .) SOURCES: Christopher Ashley , artistic director of La Jolla Playhouse. Debby Buchholz , managing director of La Jolla Playhouse. Carmen Cusack , actor. Quentin Earl Darrington , actor. ...

Apr 25, 202546 minEp. 631

Is It a Theater Piece or a Psychological Experiment? (Update)

In an episode from 2012, we looked at what Sleep No More and the Stanford Prison Experiment can tell us about who we really are. SOURCES: Felix Barrett , artistic director of Punchdrunk. Steven Levitt , professor of economics at the University of Chicago. Philip Zimbardo , professor emeritus at Stanford University. RESOURCES: “ Philip Zimbardo, the psychologist behind the ‘Stanford Prison Experiment,’ dies at 91, ” by Melissa De Witte ( Stanford Report, 2024). “ Debunking the Stanford Prison Exp...

Apr 23, 202537 minEp. 92

630. On Broadway, Nobody Knows Nothing

A hit like Hamilton can come from nowhere while a sure bet can lose $20 million in a flash. We speak with some of the biggest producers in the game — Sonia Friedman, Jeffrey Seller, Hal Luftig — and learn that there is only one guarantee: the theater owners always win. (Part two of a three-part series .) SOURCES: Debby Buchholz , managing director of La Jolla Playhouse. Sonia Friedman , Broadway producer. Rocco Landesman , Broadway producer, former owner of Jujamcyn Theaters, former chairman of ...

Apr 18, 20251 hr 2 minEp. 630

629. How Is Live Theater Still Alive?

It has become fiendishly expensive to produce, and has more competition than ever. And yet the believers still believe. Why? And does the world really want a new musical about ... Abraham Lincoln?! (Part one of a three-part series .) SOURCES: Christopher Ashley , artistic director of La Jolla Playhouse. Quentin Darrington , actor. Joe DiPietro , playwright and lyricist. Crystal Monee Hall , composer, singer, actor. Rocco Landesman , Broadway producer, former owner of Jujamcyn Theaters, former ch...

Apr 11, 20251 hrEp. 629

Policymaking Is Not a Science — Yet (Update)

Why do so many promising solutions in education, medicine, and criminal justice fail to scale up into great policy? And can a new breed of “implementation scientists” crack the code? SOURCES: Patti Chamberlain , senior research scientist at the Oregon Social Learning Center. John List , professor of economics at the University of Chicago. Lauren Supplee , former deputy chief operating officer at Child Trends. Dana L. Suskind , professor of surgery at the University of Chicago. RESOURCES: “ How C...

Apr 09, 202545 minEp. 405

628. Sludge, Part 2: Is Government the Problem, or the Solution?

There is no sludgier place in America than Washington, D.C. But there are signs of a change. We’ll hear about this progress — and ask where Elon Musk and DOGE fit in. (Part two of a two-part series .) SOURCES: Benjamin Handel , professor of economics at UC Berkeley. Neale Mahoney , professor of economics at Stanford University. Jennifer Pahlka , founder of Code for America. Richard Thaler , professor of economics at The University of Chicago. RESOURCES: " How Big Is the Subscription Cancellation...

Apr 04, 202549 minEp. 628

627. Sludge, Part 1: The World Is Drowning in It

Insurance forms that make no sense. Subscriptions that can’t be cancelled. A never-ending blizzard of automated notifications. Where does all this sludge come from — and how much is it costing us? (Part one of a two-part series .) SOURCES: Benjamin Handel, professor of economics at UC Berkeley. Neale Mahoney, professor of economics at Stanford University. Richard Thaler, professor of economics at The University of Chicago. RESOURCES: " Selling Subscriptions, " by Liran Einav, Ben Klopack, and Ne...

Mar 28, 202555 minEp. 627

Should America Be Run by … Trader Joe’s? (Update)

The quirky little grocery chain with California roots and German ownership has a lot to teach all of us about choice architecture, efficiency, frugality, collaboration, and team spirit. SOURCES: Kirk DesErmia , facilities manager in Seward, Alaska. Mark Gardiner , journalist and author. Sheena Iyengar , professor of business at Columbia Business School. Michael Roberto , professor of management at Bryant University. RESOURCES: “ Trader Joe’s ,” David Ager and Michael Roberto ( Harvard Business S...

Mar 21, 202548 minEp. 359

626. Ten Myths About the U.S. Tax System

Nearly everything that politicians say about taxes is at least half a lie. They are also dishonest when it comes to the national debt. Stephen Dubner finds one of the few people in Washington who is willing to tell the truth — and it’s even worse than you think. SOURCES: Jessica Riedl, senior fellow in budget, tax, and economic policy at the Manhattan Institute. RESOURCES: " The House Wants to Pass Trump’s Agenda in One Big Bill. Here’s What’s in It. " by Margot Sanger-Katz and Alicia Parlapiano...

Mar 14, 20251 hr 4 minEp. 626

625. The Biden Policy That Trump Hasn’t Touched

Lina Khan, the youngest F.T.C. chair in history, reset U.S. antitrust policy by thwarting mega-mergers and other monopolistic behavior. This earned her enemies in some places, and big fans in others — including the Trump administration. Stephen Dubner speaks with Khan about her tactics, her track record, and her future. SOURCES: Lina Khan, former commissioner of the Federal Trade Commission and professor of law at Columbia Law School. RESOURCES: " Merger Guidelines " (U.S. Department of Justice ...

Mar 07, 20251 hr 3 minEp. 625

EXTRA: The Downside of Disgust (Update)

It’s a powerful biological response that has preserved our species for millennia. But now it may be keeping us from pursuing strategies that would improve the environment, the economy, even our own health. So is it time to dial down our disgust reflex? You can help fix things — as Stephen Dubner does in this 2021 episode — by chowing down on some delicious insects. SOURCES: Paul Rozin, professor of psychology at the University of Pennsylvania. Val Curtis , late disgustologist at the London Schoo...

Mar 05, 202544 minEp. 448

624. The Animal No One Loves, Until They Do

To most people, the rat is vile and villainous. But not to everyone! We hear from a scientist who befriended rats and another who worked with them in the lab — and from the animator who made one the hero of a Pixar blockbuster. (Part three of a three-part series , “Sympathy for the Rat.”) SOURCES: Bethany Brookshire , author of Pests: How Humans Create Animal Villains Jan Pinkava, creator and co-writer of "Ratatouille," and director of the Animation Institute at the Film Academy Baden-Württember...

Feb 28, 202545 minEp. 624

623. Can New York City Win Its War on Rats?

Even with a new rat czar, an arsenal of poisons, and a fleet of new garbage trucks, it won’t be easy — because, at root, the enemy is us. (Part two of a three-part series , “Sympathy for the Rat.”) SOURCES: Kathy Corradi, director of rodent mitigation for New York City. Robert Corrigan, urban rodentologist and pest consultant for New York City. Ed Glaeser, professor of economics at Harvard University. Robert Sullivan, author of Rats: Observations on the History and Habitat of the City’s Most Unw...

Feb 21, 202550 minEp. 623

The Show That Never Happened

A brief meditation on loss, relativity, and the vagaries of show business. RESOURCES: Billie Eilish: The World's a Little Blurry, documentary (2021) Genius & Anxiety: How Jews Changed the World, 1847-1947 , by Norman Lebrecht (2019) The War Room , documentary (1993) EXTRAS: “ Is San Francisco a Failed State? (And Other Questions You Shouldn’t Ask the Mayor) ” by Freakonomics Radio (2025) “ Ari Emanuel Is Never Indifferent, ” by Freakonomics Radio (2023)...

Feb 20, 202514 min

622. Why Does Everyone Hate Rats?

New York City’s mayor calls them “public enemy number one.” History books say they caused the Black Death — although recent scientific evidence disputes that claim. So is the rat a scapegoat? And what does our rat hatred say about us? (Part one of a three-part series .) SOURCES: Bethany Brookshire , author of Pests: How Humans Create Animal Villains. Kathy Corradi , director of rodent mitigation for New York City. Ed Glaeser , professor of economics at Harvard University. Nils Stenseth , profess...

Feb 14, 202541 minEp. 622

621. Is Professional Licensing a Racket?

Licensing began with medicine and law; now it extends to 20 percent of the U.S. workforce, including hair stylists and auctioneers. In a new book, the legal scholar Rebecca Allensworth calls licensing boards “a thicket of self-dealing and ineptitude” and says they keep bad workers in their jobs and good ones out — while failing to protect the public. SOURCES: Rebecca Allensworth , professor of law at Vanderbilt University. RESOURCES: " The Licensing Racket: How We Decide Who Is Allowed to Work, ...

Feb 07, 202555 minEp. 621

When Is a Superstar Just Another Employee?

In 2023, the N.F.L. players’ union conducted a workplace survey that revealed clogged showers, rats in the locker room — and some insights for those of us who don’t play football. Today we’re updating that episode, with extra commentary from Omnipresent Football Guy (and former Philadelphia Eagle) Jason Kelce. SOURCES: Tom Garfinkel , vice chairman, C.E.O., and president of the Miami Dolphins. Jim Ivler , certified contract advisor for players in the National Football League. Jason Kelce , host ...

Feb 05, 20251 hr 9 minEp. 557
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