Who Shot Mr. Burns? Part 1 & 2 (with ICMAP)

Those wheels are squeaking a bit grips. They could sell him a little oil. You twisted all muster. I've decided to protect myself ever since I was attacked in my office by an unidentified as seilant four Finger Discount dude, Welcome to four Finger Discount. I am Dana not joined by a guy this week. Although as sad as that is, I am very excited because today I am going to be discussing one of my favorite episodes of The Simpsons of all

time. It is who shot Mister Burns? Past one and two? And I thought, since guys not here, who better to discuss the most notorious crime in the history of Springfield than those lovely gentlemen from I could Murder a podcast, one of the UK's most popular true crime podcast. Now, firstly, if I sound tired during this episode, it's because when I recorded this it was about five am or six am. I can't quite remember the actual

time. All I know is that when I looked at the window, the sun still wasn't up, and someone's barely up by the time we finished. So it was pretty exhausting, but it was a hell of a good time, a lot of fun. Ben and Tom are huge Simpsons fans. Unfortunately, producer Dan didn't join us, since I've heard he didn't really watch the

Simpsons as a kid. There's always one. Seriously, though you're kind of really enjoyed this review, we do a deep dive on the episode itself, covering all the clues that were put in there, as well as just the overall hype and build up to finding out just who shot mister Burns and then

we found out it was the baby. Don't forget though. If you're a fan of true crime, check out I could Murder a podcast at icmap dot co dot uk or anyway you find your podcast would be Spotify, iTunes, whoever you funny podcasts, you can check them out I could Murder a podcast.

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Commeda a podcast as we review who shot mister Burns. He produced. Dan didn't have much of a childhood and doesn't really know much about the Simpsons. Yeah, he didn't watch the Disney A tour as a kid and Simpsons, and yeah, he seemed to be quite outdoors kid, I think. But how are we doing anyway, guys? So you know your podcast seems to be kicking all sorts of goals at the moment. Yeah, no, it's

we're doing really well. We're doing really well. We're just in the middle of a series nine at the moment, but we've been kind of all over the world with it in terms of the different cases we've covered. We spent some time in New Zealand. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. And yeah, no, it's going really well. We

can't help as soon as we first started speaking with you. We're so happy to actually finally make this happen because it's being on the agenda for what feels like a couple of years, and we really appreciate you being up at god

knows what hour to have this call of us. I mean, six o'clock is much better last week it was gonna end up being five o'clock and then we changed the time to a seven am for me, and then these guys move their clocks back or forwards or something, and then it became six o'clock and I was like, I'm happy with this. It'll work. It'll work. We're doing it now, so I'm more happy. But yeah, so your podcast, what made you guys want to start your podcast? Like,

where did your passion for podcasting begin? Well back in the day, big fan of Ricky Gervais and all their podcasts early day stuff, were listening to that all the time. In regards to what started our own one off was basically it was Lockdown. We were we bought VR headsets, thought we'll do a VR headset podcast, which just copying someone else's idea basically, and then we realized we were getting travel sick from playing the games and we work couldn't

really handle it. So then I made a pun name, and we thought that's quite a good pun name, and then we kind of forced the podcast that of the name, So the name came first before the podcast really and then yeah, we just kind of did a little hobby with it and then stuck to it, produced it down and came on board and it became a

lot more of an official operation. It's happened with us as well, where sometimes we just come up with a podcast now and we go but the name is too good to not do a podcast now, you kind of have to do it. Yes, definitely. I mean with ours, it's weird. We came up with our name, we released our first episode. Then a week later there was a thing called like a Murder a Cocktail and it was a true crime podcast, but it was a week after ours, So I

feel like we were just just ahead of that one. Yeah, or you guys are kind of like a Bugs Life to Ants, where Ants thought, oh shit, we're gonna make this great movie, and then they saw Disney doing the same thing and they went, oh no, and Disney at least it a month earlier, and I were like, oh no. I watched Ants the other day. It's I still have a bit of a soft spot for it, but I'm happy to be considered the Bugs Life in that camp. I think I think we're doing quite well. You know, I never

saw Ants, and I still to this day i've never seen Ants. I just remember I have this fun memory of going to the movie to watch The Bugs Life of my family and for some reason, whenever used to see the commercials for Ants. I thought that looks boring. It's all brown and dark, and her Bug's life was so colorful. I was. I was commenting on to you guys before we were on the air, like your cameras and your setup just looks so fancy where I'm so jealous. So I'm gonna be

stealing your idea and getting your cameras. Love that, love that. No, I like trying to figure out everything that's behind you. I'm really intrigued. This is it? Is it? Yeah? This is just nineties. So do you guys have Tasos? Did you have Tasos and POGs POGs? Yeah, POGs Idepox Tower back in the day, and he's basically he's like a at the Ants version of Captain cave Man, isn't he? And the Bugs Life? Yeah that's true. Yeah, that is very very true.

But how important do you think the video side of things has been to your podcast when it comes to marketing and things like that. So we've based on the subject matter of our of our podcast. We've actually found YouTube quite tricky to master. We have a really we're really lucky to have quite a loyal following, but in terms of actually getting content out there and getting pushed in the algorithm, because we literally have murder in our title as well, we

tried rebranding to ICMAP. I don't know, Tom, You're more of an expert when it comes to those things, but it's it's difficult to get new eyes on the product, even though we're super happy once the eyes eventually do

land. Yeah, we're finding outreach to be pretty problematic sometimes. Yeah, I think with ours, especially if you look at the real trennels that are thriving, it's people that get straight to the point that don't do any of the waffle at the beginning and they and sometimes it's people doing makeup whilst talking

about true crime, whereas ours, we do a lot of waffle. Got a lot of tangents, and it seems to be our audience are either you know, we are a very keen audience, but they either I think we're

a bit marlmighty in some aspects. I think that's a good thing though, because I found we've been doing this podcast for nine years now and a lot of the time people sort of say at the start, I mean, we aren't going to get to the Firewex factory, you know, too much waffling on, sort of talking about your own lives to get to the Simpsons. But nine years on I found our audience who have stuck with us. Now go. We actually just kind of enjoyed listening to you guys talk now as

opposed to just the Simpsons. So I think you just got to establish your brand, establish what you are. You'll get your fans and the fans will love you for it. And I just enjoy this thing to you. Then you can brands off and do other stuff. And that was just enjoy it because you're doing it. Yeah. Absolutely, I accidentally got addicted to Do you remember the TV series Lost? That's another one of those shows where I

still don't know how it ends. I hear the ending is terrible, but I see it on Disney Plus and I'm going, I'm gonna have to watch this one day. I never got caught up in the in the hooplwer of it all, but I still I'm gonna watch it one day. Yeah. They yeah, they kind of not to spoil it for you. They drove it off a cliff slightly towards the end. But I was doing some renovations. And I'm not a big podcast like an audio podcast person at all.

I really like visual things. But I accidentally got addicted to a podcast entirely based on loss that was literally all in down to the two guys that were present it. Because I had already seen the show. I already knew what was going to happen, but it was was so invested in what they had to say, their opinions, their personalities. And yeah, it was called Getting Lost, and you get lost in the podcast. It's quite literally, so yeah, that side of things is super fun. Well where did your

love for the Simpsons begin? We'll start with you. Then. I want to say I was about seven or eight years old, which would take it back to sort of mid nineties. It was it became like a religious thing for me and my dad and my brother Sky one around seven pm UK time, unless we were moving the clocks about. Actually, I think shows stayed the same, didn't they, even if your clock's changed, Which is a bit stupid of me, But it was usually Sandwich somewhere between Xena Warrior Princess

and Hercules Legendary Adventures. And sometimes we were lucky enough to get kind of two episodes on the Trot, So it was kind of me, my dad, and my brother's sort of thing. And yeah, it stayed that way for like what ten years, fifteen years, And yeah, having re watched it now as an adult, even the first theme tune, all sorts of emotions came back that I was not expecting to feel, you know, recently. So yeah, still got a real big love for the show. And

it's amazing how much of it holds weight still today. Yeah, the same as Ben really. But a little bit before that, I was at school and there's a kid that I wasn't overly fond of, and that he's the kind of kid when you play games, and we used to play pretending to be earth wem Gym and I would be Scuba earthworm Gym, and he was mad scientist earth wem Gym, which means he could just do anything. So

really angered me. And one day he was talking to me, and I didn't really listen, or I must have misheard him just the beginning of what he was saying, but I didn't hear the fact he said he watched it on TV. I thought he was talking about his neighbor called the Simpsons, and then he was telling me all these things that I thought he was saying his neighbors had done, and I was just getting really angry because I was

like, that's just such a lie. None of this happened. And then eventually I watched the show and I was like, oh, now it will make sense. And then yeah, it's same with Ben, like watching it on Sky Domino's Pizza had given you a fresh slice of family life in thirty

minutes. I just remember all the adverts for it as well. And now even when I like watch back and binge it like all, I find myself memorizing lines and know what the lines are, even though I've probably only seen them like a handful of times when I was a lot younger, and repeats, but they really do stick with you, the lines. And I've got a creepy little collection as well in the back or Simpson figures if you can see them clearly. But I've got a little wall collection of going on with

Simpson's characters. I've got you guys minimized or small so I can't quite make it out, but they're those words of Springfield figures. They're really good ones in like two thousand and Yeah, Yeah, I've got Water of Springfield, and I've got some Treehouse of Horror ones which are special edition ones, and then I've got Tom Petty one because I like Tom Petty and he was an anniversary thing. Perfect. Yeah. I remember when of those Words of Springfields

came out. Mom was like, I'm not paying twenty five dollars, be tore, you just not getting them. And I look back now and I think, man, I wish I had collected those, because they were like fifty dollars each of them in there packets still now, if not more. But they're just so great. I just there's never been Simpsons action figures like them since, and I'm just wish i'd re released them. They're all that re rereleasing stuff now, so I feel like twentieth aniversary, we should do

it. Yeah, definitely. I mean, yeah, I mind New habit is getting drunk and then go on a eBay forgetting what I've ordered from it and then just getting a package and then my wife being like, well, why he's just putting them in the box and I'm not going to have them all out. Originally, I was just collecting the weird ones like Larry Burns and Homer's brother herd and I was like, because they're just cool and a

bit like and then suddenly I was buying one. So I don't really like that one, but I need it, so I was just going to buy it. Yeah, I'm yeah, yeah, it's very addictive. I've got two stories. So there's one guy in Australia here selling the complete collection that the playsets and all the locations in a giant tub, none of them opened for fifteen hundred US. I saw at Australian dollars, which is about seven hundred and fifty pound, So it's not that much money really when you think

it's the entire collection. And my wife was just like, you don't need it, and I was like, eh, you're right, I don't need it. And then now we look back and think if only. But the big one for me is, I've said it on the podcast before. You know the movie display, the big life size Simpsons that you've seen on the couch lot that the cinema display for the movie Simpsons movie you've ever seen those? Yeah, yeah, I've got the bar here. So the barn was

about five foot tall. The Homer would have been like eight foot tall. Anyway, this guy in Adelaide, Australia, about a seven hour drive from where I live. He was going to sell it to me for eight hundred Australian dollars, was about four hundred pound and Nicola and my wife was going no where to put it, It's going to be too big. And I'm like, oh yeah, whatever, won't do it. And one sold in Australia for twenty five thousand dollars recently and I never let her forget it.

Wow. Wow, So if you see this stuff by it, guys definitely worth it. I was about to brag about Tom. Do you remember the life size cut out of Moses Lack that my brother got me? Yeah? Yeah, that was the first background we probably stopped what we moved away from

home, and we probably stopped watching him for three or four years. And then all of a sudden, my twenty first birthday, my brother arrives with the biggest flat package I've ever seen, which, again out of contact, sounds awful, and it was a life sized cutout of Mo's my favorite character, and then very quickly made its way to Tom's house. And now I just have the only piece of Simpson's memorabilia I've got is a little mo put your mug on my mug, which I'm very fond of. Short and simple.

It's good though, Yeah, so you need sometimes I've actually, speaking of this episode, I've got the original Simpson's Mystery Sweepstakes competition from seven to eleven in the States, the four cups. I couldn't find them something. I think that I cleaned up the studio recently. I think I packed him in the box. But yeah, I've got the four original cups from seven to eleven back in like nineteen only five or ninety six, whenever this episode

was. But yeah, wow, what are your memories of the of this episode, because I remember the hype of this one being huge in the school yard when I was a kid, because I'm well, I'm thirty five. I don't know how you guys are. But when this episode came out, I was right in the peak sort of like age for this show and we're all about it, and there was just there was so much hype for this episode. Was it was a much hype in the UK for it. I

can't really remember people chatting about it that much. I mean I remember watching it when it came out and being like gripped by it. Simpsons is odd. I think there has a cool, massive audience over here, but I don't remember much conversations between friends and being like, I think it's just it was a given to everyone watched The Simpsons, and everyone loved the Simpsons,

but it wasn't the thing that you end up speaking about overly. But I been watching it back this time around, I was like, it's so good. There's so many good jokes do it as well, which I've forgotten about. You kind of forget about the little jokes and throw away jokes, but it's just so good. They're right in. At this stage of the Simpsons, I think is like top tier. Do you find even though it's available on Disney Plus now, that you even go back and watch the show anymore?

Because when I grew up, we watched it three or four times a day. And even though I do a podcast on The Simpsons now, maybe because it feels kind of like work, but I very rarely just put on The Simpsons just to have it on the background anymore. And that used to be my life. The Simpsons were just always on. I'm kind of introducing I've got two some more kids, three and five now, so I'm kind of introducing them to the Simpsons. But I find it really watch the show

as much as I should anymore. How about you, guys. So I watched it for the first time in a row, so we're just a few months younger than you, and I watched the show for the first time in maybe twenty years last week in prep for tonight. Years. Yeah, which is scary, but as Tom said, it totally held It totally holds up

some of the Mister Burns. I'm sure we'll go into it. Mister Burns makes a comment I couldn't believe it came out of his mouth, which I would have heard twenty years ago, but I didn't know what he was I should have probably known what he was talking about, but I didn't. And I think for us, it's similar to as you mentioned, if I used to just binge true crime series on Netflix YouTube, but now it kind of feels like work, and so if I want something on the background, it's

a break from that. I'll put something a bit lighter on. Whereas watching Who Shot Mister Burns one and two, I left it on and had seven or eight episodes afterwards where it was just like, Okay, it's so easy to just it brings back a lot of memories, but also you're watching it from a completely different perspective now, which is fantastic. I've had a big binge on nostalgic stuff, and like Simpsons, I did like when I got the Disney Plus start watching all of that. I find what Simpsons is one

of my go to still like. I think Disney Plus was a game changer in terms of having it available, But like Ben true crime stuff, I find it like it does feel worky Ben saying that you said you put quite a few horrifying things on to get to sleep in bed, which I couldn't. That's true. But I also did hold a boy Mets World and Home Improvement. I had a big kind of nostalgia hype recently. Boy Mets World is probably nearly counselorable now after the Nickelodeon documentary though, But apart from that,

Yeah, I find this one great. Yeah, I'm glad you want of Home Improvement. It's one of those shows I feel like it never gets enough love. I was a kid loved Home Improvement, but none of my friends liked it, and I was like, I love this show. And when it came on Disney Plus, I I was so happy. Yeah,

I love Home Improvement, and I think same with Boy Meants World. I think Boymans World Go is a bit underappreciated, and I do think even though some of the storyline are just like insane, there's still a good core message on most of the episodes. Mister Phoenie still has some good things to say.

And your Home Improvement, I thought, I think it's great. I think that's really it's actually really funny, and there's loads of adult jokes in that, which I didn't get until watching it a few more this time around, I feel like I keep the Simpsons in my life more so now through memes and like our social media, the Simpsons just lives on through gifts and just memes, meme pages as opposed actually going and watching it. Now it's

just like that's the new life the Simpsons has. Now it's in our lives

every day, but we use it in mean form. There's so much of it on our feed mainly well, I think it's because we're connected with each other, but we see so many of yours absolutely blow up on Facebook and X. But then also now because we're engaging with them, there's so many other I think our Facebook is instead of true crime, it's it's mainly the feed is Simpsons memes, which is great, but there's yeah, there's there's so many of We got so many people there they say I liked one of

your photos. Now all I see is Simpsons memes. Couldn't be the case. It's crazy how the algorithm works, though, because you could put a post out and it might only reach three four hundred thousand people, and I put out a photo that's not that different and it's like, oh hey, ten million. Okay. Then just today Facebook just decided to boost this post. Okay, Facebook is murder. Facebook is. It's so hard to predict

what's going on and where. And I think, yeah, Ben's right in terms of us having the word murder in most of our things, that doesn't help. Yeah, it certainly wouldn't. I wouldn't assume so no, but I'll give you that though. I told my wife, Nicola, who's English, she's from Boston, Lincolnshire, she said that I told her the name of your podcast, and she just packed up laughing. She's like, great title. Love that love that. She's like, I can murder a podcast,

me, I can murder a podcast me. She says, Yeah. A super proud moment was when if you put I could murder in the UK. First thing was pint, second thing was curry, and we eventually made it to the third thing, which we're super happy about. So we got among the beers and the curry, which is yeah, it's a good Yeah, it's three staples of life, right podcast, beer curry. But do

you guys know about all the height that was going into this episode? In the States, they called it the one eight hundred Collect Mystery sweep Steaks since

the Mystery sweep Stakes contest which I mentioned earlier. The cups for that I own, but basically it was one hundred Collect we're trying to steal some customers from I think it was like at and T anyway, like, so basically one eight hundred Collect Call had a competition that if you use their service, you would go into a competition and try and guess who the murderer was.

And if you guessed the right person and they were the first and you were the first one to be discovered that guess the right person, you would be drawn into The Simpsons. And apparently it was just a complete shammuzzle because for some reason we look back now and you think that's an awesome prize. But people weren't all that interested in being drawn into the Simpsons in like nineteen ninety five. But they went through a thousand entries and they found that nobody guessed

Maggie. And I think it was David Murkin that one of the producers at the time said, look, we've got to keep going until we can find that's to guess the correct person. And but no, the rule was for a competition in those days that you must find a winner in the first thousand entries, and because nobody guessed Maggie, that had to just randomly pick somebody and it was some woman who doesn't even watch the Simpsons. So she took

a non disclosed cash amount as opposed to being drawn into the Simpsons. Wow wow, Because when Tom was mentioning that it wasn't really big news over here on the school grounds, and I remember him rightly that they made numerous trailers about these episodes, particularly the second one, because I'm sure I remember seeing the trailers, like teaser trailers around who did it? I remember seeing those

in the UK, but I could be wrong. There was a lot of promo going into it, but I think just because it was the season premiere as well, they had a lot of time to sort of boost it and promote it as well. Maybe, but I remember being a huge deal here in Australia. I do remember. It wasn't spoiled for me, thankfully.

But I've done research and I've been told by people who are a bit older than me that one of the more famous radio DJs at the time spoiled it because we were behind in getting things from the States, spoiled on the radio and lost his job because it was that big of a deal. Wow, that's terrible. So I remember the last time that happened in Australia, a radio dj, his job was spoiling. Something was spoiling the ending to well

spoiling. I won't even say it on the podcast, but the big death in Harry Potter, No, the big one, the really important one, because they got the book that morning and just told him what happened at the end on the radio that day. And yeah, they would ever hurt again, but they could be dead. You could be doing a podcast on them eventually. Wow, that's crazy. Well, I mean even on the rewatch here, I had such a keen eye out for what's Maggie up to?

What's she doing? And from the from the first episode, it's really she's she's acting pretty Maggie. There are clues, though, did you notice the clues? I kept my eye. I think I got one of them. Possibly, But yeah, what was that? What do you say? It was bart Well Bart on the second. It was Bart's chalkboard on the second. And then there was also a photo in the background of Maggie in a scene where Homer was losing his mind. I believe could be wrong. There

was a photo that looked like it was bolded up slightly. Well, the big one that they put in there that no one was paying attention to. It was just a clock, but all the clocks were set to three pm at the time at the end of the episode, and the clue was that at three pm. Smither says, I never miss Pardon My Zinger, which airs at three pm, and he left the town meeting early to go watch

Pardon My Zinger, so he wasn't there when birds got shot. But of course when I was a kid, it was either going to be Smithers or it was Homer. That was just because you don't think logically when your kid, it's like, it's going to be the obvious one. And I remember when my sister I were first watching this, will sit there with a little notepad and we had our predictions. My sister guests home and I guess Smithers and I was Adam, it was going to Bess Smithers. And I do

remember when I found out it was Maggie. I was really deflated as a kid. Were you guys disappointed with the result when you I'll look back now and just laugh because it's just ridiculous, But at the time, I remember thinking that was so silly. I guess, yeah, I know what you

mean. I think the bit that watching it back now with fresh eyes and knowing like my lingers like, oh, when earlier in the episode, the first episode, mister Burns was still condy from a baby, that bit really was like, oh, that's a precursor in terms of what's going on as

well. But then yeah, I think, I guess the only reason that it makes sense for Maggie is they can get away of not punishing her and not having her like because if they have any of their other characters doing it, it's going to have to have a bit more of a bit more of a result that or it could be a freaway character. You don't want one of your favorite characters going to prison for murder. You don't want that. I was super worried for Moe at one point. Yeah, or Willy didn't

want Willie in trouble. Yeah, yeah, no. But the show runners that they weren't running the show in season six, but they took over in seven and eight. Bill Locally and Josh Weinstein. They wanted Barnie, and originally they were like pushing for Banne. It's got to be Barnie. He's got to be Barnie and James L. Brooks and make Granny one. Now, it's gonna be one of the Simpsons. It'll be funnier that way,

Like how are we gonna work around this? And they come up with the idea of Maggie and even they agree they're back now and go it was the right option because then we wouldn't have had Barnie. Okay, you know, so it was it was the logical choice because you needed a character who you can just go, nah, we're not going to arrest her. She's just a baby, and that's it. You can just move on. But I do like the whole idea of just the cliffhanger, because I've never done it

since. I think that's just what built it up so much, the fact that it was just big, huge cliffhanger and it was a take off of I'm sure you guys heard of the Dallas who shot Jr? Story from the eighties in America. Yeah, yeah, so it was a take off of that, and clearly it worked. Yeah, so it was I think that did a really good job. Have you ever seen the actual episode, not the episode, but just the scene of who shot Jr? And the big reveal and all that kind of stuff. I watched it last night for the

first time. It's no, I haven't. It is so nineteen eighty and corny, but apparently it's like one of the most watched TV shows of all time. The other thing I say about the Barney thing you just mentioned, I listened to the podcast you did with Brendan and like, you kind of put Simpsons in a new light for me about talking about Homer being a terrible dad and being an alcoholic and stuff, and like, do you think Barney

is kind of promoting that kind of life as well? And in terms of like so it kind of like makes me look at I've looking at Simpson's characters a bit more of a serious adult level now because of you guys talking about it. We'll see. The thing is, when I was, you know, the Golden Year episodes, Homer was held accountable for his actions, right. I think that my grant with the later seasons is that Homer's just a

dick to everybody, and very rarely is he held a cannibal. It's just, oh, silly Homer, that's just Homer's ways, and mar just forgives him because the story needs her to. And I think that's the stuff that annoys me. In the later episodes just feels like lazy writing, or at least back in the older episodes, it feels like when he did something wrong, it was never that heinous, and he always by the end of it

sort of went, oh, you know what I screwed up? You know my bad were in the later what to season eighteen, now it's just as they call it, jerk ass home and just Homer just being a dick for it, almost like he became Peter Griffin to an extent. I think the family guy sort of popularity took over the Simpsons a little bit. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I don't. I don't mean I

found it very hard to watch recent Simpsons. I can only binge to a certain point, and then I kind of find myself stopping and going back to the beginning rather than carrying on. Well, also, drop off for you, many say season ten was when a lot of people dropped off. I remember dropping off about season fifteen. I remember one episode I can't remember.

You can't tell you what series it was. I think as the last good one I remember was when Seymour's in Okay a bag for balls and he says about the Hampstead chewing for his ball sack, and I think that's the last one I remember being quite good. What about you, Ben, what was your job off? Can you remember it wasn't that we just decided to stop watching the show. We just sort of happened organically. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm guessing I couldn't give you the series, but I can give you

the year. Would have been kind of around fifteen sixteen years old, So what the early two thousands, I guess. But then, yeah, going back to I've not actually seen I've seen a lot of criticism of recent series online. I haven't watched it, but I can. I've I can understand what they've done with Homer. Whereas the episodes I watched as a kid, I learned a lot from home as mistakes, from Bart's mistakes, from the things they did wrong, and that was a good way to learn about life.

I mean, even some of the more when you asked us to sort of talk about our marathon, I've gone for ones that actually emotionally kind of resonated with me at the time as well, because although old Homer was an idiot, he kind of ultimately ended up doing the right thing at the end of the day, although he did three or four bad things, really wrong

things in the build up to that. Ultimately you learn your lesson. But yeah, I can't remember the specific cut off point unfortunately, but I'm definitely after jumping back in ready to binge again. So we'll see how far I go. It's interesting that you brought up how the Simpsons sort of influenced how we sort of went about our lives. I feel like now with kids, I've got two, like I said, three in a five year old,

it's bluey for them, and they're only seven minute episodes. But I think Australians or it helps they can relate to it in that aspect because they were Australian kids. But I watch it now and I go, this is how I felt when I watched The Simpsons, and they sort of quotes from the show they bring into their real life and it's actually teaching them nice messages. And I think this is always It's almost like a modern day Simpsons to an

extent. Bluey the kids are obsessed with it. They all talk about it, they all love their old quoting. I'm like, Bluey has become the new Simpsons. It's crazy. But can you watch Bluey and enjoy it? Bluey is fantastic, mate, if you it's honestly, I think as a parent you appreciate it more. But I watch that show and go, holy shit, this is literally my life and this is just And I think that was the appeal of the Simpsons was they appeal to just the normal families.

You watch it and go, this is just us in animated form. And that's what Bluey is like. Granted I'm Australian, so a lot of it, a lot of it. I watch it, I go, that's that's us. That's Aussi's I think that's where it relates to its aspect. But there's a lot of it where you know, there's an episode of Blue. I won't get too much on Blue, but there is one where it's about a kid who is a bit further behind in a blooey. She doesn't walk, she shuffles her bum on the floor and it's like, haha, funny.

But then they show the side of the parent who when she goes to mother's group and all her kids are the other kids are walking around in hers isn't she feels like she's failing as a mother. So they bring in that side of it. Whether adults can watch the show and relate to it as well, so it's actually like the people are bluey. It's just to show the kids watch but there's actually a great show if you give it a chance. Yeah. I ended up about six months ago, so I'm Another character

that I'm really fond of is Santa's Little Helper. I've got three greyhounds over here, and six months ago we got a puppy and red online that Blue is a great show to put on for dogs because apparently the colors are the color palette is I could be again wrong here, but is a color that dogs can actually slightly distinguish, so we put it on and all three of

them staring at the TV could be the audio as well. But apparently there's something to do with the color choices that they have and I'm colorblind, so awful kind of a metric for you, But yeah, they were hooked. They were all watching the TV and I thought it wasn't a half bad show. That's just the same. And the Simpsons they chose yellows that when you're flicking through all the stations, you'd stop on yelly because yellows stood out it

wasn't normal. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, anyway, what were your favorite moment from who shot mister Burns before we skimmed through the ad the episode? Any stand up moments for you? The Burns comment, It's really stuck with me because I was actually shocked that he said it when he makes a comment about his his slanted let me, I actually made a note of exactly how he said it. So first he has Burn's construction code building a better

tomorrow for him in block capitals, and then he's still annoying Smithers. Smithers when he compares his slant drilling company to a man about to do something when he says, this is almost sexual, isn't it? And Smither's just looks so uncomfortable, which was really shocked that they came out of Burns's mouth.

But there's so many jokes at Smither's expensive you wouldn't get away with it now on television, but you know, in nineteen ninety five hours hilarious, it was so good, so good, and the amount of times that Burns was either unwilling or unable to address Homer by his full name or knew who he was. And the chocolate sequences amazing, the chocolate gift and so so good. I remember that being using the promos a lot when Homer does when he he swears, you don't hear it, but when he swears that was the

big selling point in the trailers for the episode. Yeah, the church bells. Yeah, yeah, what about you? Tom? What's what's that for you? What were your favorite moments? So any moments where you're watching it going oh shit, I completely forgot about that. That's great. Yeah,

even the school like kind of hitting oil. I always enjoy when a skinner's getting getting near full as well, and then even when he's hearing everyone's lousy requests for what they want for the for the money, and then when Smithers does the Tannoy voice and he guess, we haven't got a tannoy and then and then it Burns comes in and yeah, Burns stressed up in that way. Yeah, it's it's I don't know, I just had so many easing,

isn't it in comparison to what I remembered? And I think probably like yeah, comparing it to future day ones, is they don't explain the joke. The joke's good enough as it is, and it's just there and it's done, which which I appreciate. It lets you do a bit of figuring out as well, sometimes raft than spelling everything out for you. But name yes, Homer, that bands of the chocolate scene I really enjoyed, and

just the graduate to get more and more angry. But yes, it's it's mainly oh yeah, I think the Smithers Smithers bits in the episode that we were really funny. I'm glad you brought up when Skinner was getting yelled at there by Charmers, because Charmers is one of those characters as a kid,

I just thought it was just this mean guy. But I find the older you get, the people like that has become more relatable because it's almost like Charmers represents the as if a real person went into this world of Springfield and went, what the hell is going on here? He represents a normal person. And I just find there's a lot of episodes of Charmers. And there's an episode called I don't know what it's called where missus Kate and Skinner first hook up. As a kid, I was like, this is a boring

episode. But when you you know you've aged and you've been through through relationships and whatnot, episodes like that just resonate with you more. It's fine. It's amazing how the Simpsons can appeal to you on a whole new level. Because you said you haven't watched the show in twenty years, Ben, but I feel like if you go back and watch those Golden Ear episodes, now

you relate to it on a whole different level. For sure. For sure, there was an episode where Bart gets yanked out of a photo and he does something to what he steals, I believe, and really upsets his Mind's been not pre as one of my favorite episodes. Yeah, yeah, it's in yes, yeah, yeah, And I remember again at the time,

even being a kid and watching it. I'm sure I react differently now, but I remember that emotionally that really resonated with me when I watched it, and I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure watching back and all the different thing again to go back to home, are doing the wrong things the fishing, the fishing episode, Yeah, I definitely I am ready now to do a

rebinch missus k when you're older. I think missus Kay has always been the Fox of the Simpsons in my opinion, Like as a kid, like she's just this old teacher, but then when you know you're thirty five, you're like, she's hot. Shit. I think the word to describe is she just seems fun. She's up for whatever. Yeah, she's up listening. All right, let's skim through the episode. Show. So the original air of part one was May twenty first, nineteen ninety five, written by Bill

Oklin Josh Wainstein. As we're part one and two, little, let's touch on it actually, so getting to write this episode, what a gig that would have been. I wanted they appreciated it at the time, I'm sure they did, because I was huge Simpsons fans before they've enjoined the show. But being able to say that, you know, you and your best mate wrote who shot mister Burns? That must have been so much fun to have

that kind of power at the time. Would you would you have said they had complete freedom in terms of the or were they given the suspect beforehand? Do you know they wanted Barney so that they wanted the other guys that wanted Barney And they were told by James Brooks, who you know, genius that it has to be a member of the Simpsons, and they were like, oh fuck, all right, how are we going to do that? And they weren't at Maggie, but I think they I said, they've reflected now

and gone that's the right option. But I just think having that, having the ability and having their I think I'd be almost scared to write this one because it's like to be screwed up. It's that's it, You're don't no. What I liked about is it's just the layer in of it. And like I know, obviously they do it on purpose in terms of getting everyone to be a suspect, but they haven't it's all legitimate reasons why people are so pissed off. And then you he builds and bills, and you go,

oh that makes sense. No, it makes sense if that happen, if he did it, And there's so well written in that aspect. But also with each situation, it's very humorous in terms of how they build out. But yeah, it must be. I would be very intimidated having to ride at the first two parts, especially for a series end around a series opener. That would be terrifying to me. But the episode kicks off with Skinner arriving at the school early morning, kind of like it is here,

I'm looking outside the sun starting maybe to come up. Yeah, but I always loved the early morning vibe of The Simpsons, when it's just early morning, the sort of the music's playing, it's that the suns rise. He always looks cool, but he finds unfortunately Super Dude, who's been crushed by his own water bottle, so gets willing to bury him well. Sometime over the holiday weekend, the beloved Grade four Gerbil super Dude lost his life.

I need you to air out the classroom and give super Dude a proper burial. Go. Yeah, like you had to getting a decent burial. Me on farther get through in the Bug. What's the thoughts on grand skip of Willie. I know you guys are Scottish, but in the UK do you guys like Willy in the context of The Simpsons. Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, yeah, love with it. He was he was because there's not too many. I know there were some guest stars, but there's not There's not

an outright continual British character. So Willy was Willy was? Yeah, very fondly regarded over here, Am I right? Tom? Yeah? I think so. No, no one was offended by the voice, Scottish voice or anything like that, and even the stereotypes I think. I think if it was an I think I'd be more taken offensive. If it was even Irish character in all the Irish gags, I think Scottish is fair game. Weirdly, that's why we feel so lucky here in Australia that we got a Golden

era episode of The Simpsons in our country. We yet to go us at the way to like season fifteen or something to get in the UK, and I watched that one and go this episode just doesn't hit right. But we got you know, we got peaks, so we're always very cherished that and we'll never offended by the stereotypes. It's ridiculous. There's nothing like I mean, there are Australian isms in there, but they're just completely blown out of

proportion. But we love that for that's that's the whole gag of the show. And that's why when I see people get angry about the stereotypes of the Simpsons, I just think that's comedy. Though. Yeah, I think the thing with it as well is just the fact that, yeah, if it was just a two D simple gag and then the character has nothing else to say, and then you know they're just a character that made the joke. But there's people. It's this characters do have like long storylines and all really

deep storylines, you know, lessons with them as well. I think that's why I think it's a lot more acceptable because it's not just a two D cheap laugh. So he ends up striking oil, destroys the school and destroys Ralph in the process as well. Then we get mister Burns and he wants to send the parcel with the profit projections to Pete Porter in Pasadena overnight we

get the montage of the male system at the bowl plant. Homer thinks he's doing the right thing by returning it to mister Burns, but it's a return addressed, of course. And this is where they established the story from mister Burns that he doesn't know his name, which I guess when you think of continuity, seems a bit ridiculous because we've had so many episodes with Burns and Homer up to this point already, but I'm willing to go with it. So, you know, Homer tries to tell him his name and he drops

the So one killer is a thousand grams, isn't it? The thing that he drops in his head, which I've got here would shortly still hurt. Yeah, and it's pointed as well. I mean, I know it hits him with the flag, but there was one in free chance that was going to cause some real damage. But Skinner here he sees the destruction. This is where Charmers arrives. He's very, very angry, angry, but they now the rich to school in the state, so of course he's happy about

that. They find Superdoo just throws him. Then Burns is now in his executive spa and we see the newspaper article which I love the headline awful school is awful rich and which is actually a nice sea plant for later in the episode when we have Skinner covering the word awful. But he Burns is jealous this. You know, how dare they have money? I want their money. So it gets Smith's to go another twenty miles on the on the bike whilst he plays pinball. You guys, fans of pinball, iast have a

virtual pinball I had to sell it to pay for my son's surgery. But basically, a virtual pin wore machine is every pinball machine ever created, but it's done digitally and it's like on a TV. And he build it to look like a pinball machine. A lot of fun. I mean, it's not a real thing, but you just immerse yourself and yeah, it's pretty cool. The cheap, a cheap version of having every pinbor machine in the

world. No, that's really cool. The only time we can. You can still find it over here in some arcades, but and maybe pubs, but I can't remember the last time I saw one. No, I haven't played pinball in a long time. I think i'd always gravitate towards House of Dead too with my coat. Yeah, but yeah, Pinball, Yeah no, I never really had to go on it to be fair, And I love that Burns. He's got it right next to his gym. It's funny

you brought up a House of Dead there. That was the machine when I went to the arcade as a kid, and you had the curtain, and there's always the mystique of what's behind there. I don't forget the ones why I can't finally peep behind the curtain and it's just these zombies and shit, and I just never again. But it was always like you see, the grown up kids would go into this machine and the sanded terrifyings like I have to see what was behind the curtain. It was that dressic Park. I

think dressed Park. I think I stuck with time crisis. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. But this is where Burns he gets into the elevator, blue liney Colonel Giermo, Hello, Oh, don't take it so hard, Homer. He's always scrowing up people's names. Yeah, the picnic. He thought my son Rinaldo was my son Rolando. Can you believe that? Then Skinner shows the newspaper to charmers, and we get the great payoff here of the unrelated article in the better headline. But Chalmer suggests that they should maybe

should give everyone age a college scholarship. They all laugh about because of course that's not going to happen. They want the crystal bucket from a slot, water e and a pland new filthy blanket. The cafeteria staff is complaining about the mice in the kitchen. I want to hire a new staff. I'd like to start a jazz program for the music department. We've got a really great instruction line up, Judo, he's ready to give up the drudgery of

the Profrnando second and settle into a nice teaching job. Man, it will be my pleasure. Lisa has told me all your students are as bright and dedicated to jazz as she is. Let's go now, mister Prenty. Chocolate microscopes, you know these guitars that are like double guitarres, you know more rubber stamps. Just you guys were awful, rich right. I'm not saying awful. Podcast is awful, rich Just you guys were awful, rich right. What would be the first thing you would buy? Do you think would

you pay off family debt? Or is it now? They can wait? I'm going to buy something for myself first, walk you what are you buying? Then you've done your big purchases, haven't you really have? I really well, Tom's going to buy the World of Springfield figureut. But what about you? My heart says, immediately settle family, not settle family debt is in. We've incurd it on one another. But yeah, look after the family. I feel like i'd need some sort of statement purchase though, to

announce yourself. Yeah. Yeah, Like I'm thinking straight away a big plot of land in or a big elaborate house. But I don't know that is that quick enough? You're you're gonna buy something that's not That makes no sense though, It's just ridiculous because I can afford to buy it. Like, what, what's what's your fun purchase? What's what's the one thing you look at and go, I'll never need that, but I'll always want it. Do you have one of those things? I don't. I No, I

don't. I've always kind of wanted to put a giant I've always wanted like a giant fish tank. Call, so that would be an elaborate one, I guess, or like a room dividing, big ol' male giglow right, yes, yeah yeah, and and the old holes in the ceiling for me to dangle and crack my back. Yeah, but yeah, okay, we'll go with We'll go with giant fish tank and then women would pay you to give them pleasure. So great movie. That's such a great It's one of

those movies that I loved when I was younger. And you I don't think I was even released on like physical media here because I loved I still buy blue rays and stuff, but I think you may have got a DVDY release. But I think they even bother put it on blue red, like no one likes this movie. And I was like, I like this movie. I remember the DVD cup. Isn't it like him sort of stretching by a lamp shade or like hurting himself on a lamp shade, or in Australia it

was him peeping through a peep hole on the door. Oh nice, Oh cool? Yeah, but every country has their own different covers. But I think it might be on Disney Plus Action. Now that I say, I'm gonna have to go back and rewatch that movie. Now I'll watch you with you? And is that a shooting McGavin t shirt as well? Because I have heard that in the Happy Happy Gilmore two has in the works. Yeah, so yeah, Christopher Cameorry's last name because Christian er Donald is his name.

The Glap Place shoot of Bagavin. He announced that Adam Sandler sent him a specscript potentially of Happy Gilmore two, which I don't It's one of those things where a lot of our listeners messages with me. I mentioned happ Gilmore all the time in the podcast, one of my favorite movies, and they go, are you excited for this? And I went, I will watch it, but I don't know whether I need it, because I just fear that it will never be able to live up to the nostalgia I have for

the first one. I love Happy Gilmore. That was my definitely my favorite film for years and years and years. Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison was just the classic summer two punch on TV here in Australia every summer Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore back to back. Yeah, so good. And then we get as you mentioned earlier time with the intercom, I don't have an indacom or a secretary said to me, and we get mister Burns dressed up as Jimbo.

Now there is a little clue in the back of the wall here where Skinners got a certificate because his name is w Seymour Skinner, so the W and the S also applies to Skinner in this episode. Yeah, they made sure to mention the W S and the background there, and the other thing too with him falling on the dial was he falls with W and S. Sure, and it's revealed to be M and S. But it's also three PM. That's the other three PM little clue that had in there as well.

But it's revealed here that mister Burns is the one hundred and four year old man. I'm not sure if they mentioned his age before then, but one hundred and four years old. And he refuses to give him any money, so Burns tries to attack him. I was also thinking at the time that his age was announced just in this one episode that maybe that relates to

him for getting Homer's name just on that occasion for some reason. But yeah, Burns, he tries to give him the old flailing arms attack, I'm going to get you, and then he calls which is just me fight exactly. And then yeah, the smith has kind of peppers in with a few staples, but I don't think any of them quite read him. But it's the family dinner and he didn't approve Bart's idea to revive the Three Stooges.

And then we get Homer sad but not knowing his name, and Marge suggests the idea for the candy with the photo, which has a fantastic payoff, as you were mentioning earlier with home, I thinking he's getting the nice thank

you letter, but no, his name wasn't mentioned in the car. But before we get to that moment, though, this is where we cut to Burns and he's using his binoculars to look around and sees his company about to drill and still all the oil from the school, and we get the famous light taking candy from a baby, which I guess is the big one, isn't it the big sort of clue? Which it's just a passing comment, but I think, you know, repeat viewings, you go, that's the

one right there. Then we get the Oil Appreciation Day press conference and Lias it's about she turns on the pump, about to make them very very rich, and they realize there's no oil soon that myty apparatus will burst forth with its precious fluid most sexual listened to me, is all right oil. Skinner then says that we can't have anything that that I promised though, because you know, the oil doesn't belong to us, it belongs to who Ordia first,

So unfortunately he's going to have to eliminate music and maintenance. Lisa then takes the call from Tito Puente, which were you guys a fan of? Like his guest appearance Tito in this I had no idea who he was as a kid. I still kind of don't really know who he is now, but I always enjoyed his song. I have no idea who he is at all, not a clue. Yeah, same same, but his music number

was fun. A find way to kill like ninety seconds of the episode for them, Like, we can't be fucked writing this, just throwing a song I had. I had the Simpson CD for Christmas when I was young, So there's a lot of the songs that I often don't know what episode they're from, and then it will click in and oh, I know every word of this song just because the CDs to play as a kid. And I remember once from a charity shop buying the Simpsons Blue CD, the Blue CD,

and that's terrible. See stinks, it's not great. It's got I think Do the Bartman might be on this, Do the Bartman on there? But that's about it, right, No, it's literally just the ones of their redub it old blue stuff and think it's of red cover. And I bought it for like a quid. I've got the vinyl here. I've listened to it once in a whek man that can just that can just stay there.

But I think that that that sort of was the epitome of the Simpsons is so popular right now, let's just get whatever we can and slap the Simpsons face on it. And that just feels like one of those things where they went, yeah, we probably just went a little bit too far with that one. We thought people were going to appeal to the Simpsons singing the blues. But the songs in the Key of Springfield CD though, that was huge. That was like the soundtrack to my childhood. That one. I

had all the songs from the show and things like that. Yeah, that's the one. Then how can you work for a man like mister Bangs, not a little bit. He did send me this nice thank you code mirch bite, Lisa and Maggie. Dad just doesn't have your name on it. It would you step out side for a second, Dear lord, that's the

loudest profanity I have ever heard. Now Mo's is full of fumes, and he's dizzy, nauseous, and where's the inflated sense of self estee which is about to find Barney And they have to unfortunately close down the bar due to

the fume. So Moe gets his shotgun, Barney gets his pistol, and now that he's got his sense of self esteem, then we get If you look on the background of the TV there too, there's an ad for pardonizing and it says it'll be on at three pm on the TV in Moe's as that scenes going on, not not sort of, it's just in the background, but if you if you know, it's there. Now the oil drilling causes the ground to collapse and the retirement castle has sins, which means pas

moving with the Simpsons, Who the devil? You don't what are you talking about? Makes sense? Man? I can't. Oh you're a dead man. Oh you're dead. You're dead birds. As you said, they did a good job of building up everyone's reasoning for wanting to kill both. Even though Homer seems a bit ridiculous, you can still believe that Homer as we know him would still maybe go to that length because he seems so angry at

least. Oh definitely this is that. I had this down as the third person to make a verbal threat on Burns in this episode already Home is the third. I think Willie and Smith, Willie and sorry Lisa. So Lisa was on the phone just before the biggest fuck in history and she says, yeah, I'd like to settle his hash. And I googled what does what does settle his hash mean? What does that? And I could not find. She says, settle his hatch, settle his god. Yeah, okay,

good? Could hear it? Is she threatening him? Or is okay hat hatch makes a lot more sense. Yeah, But also I guess that means that Tito also made the threat, we just didn't hear him say it. Yeah, okay, so Homer is the fourth. I do I do think Mo and Balley brandishing weapons is also a kind of a threat. Very true. That's very, very true. I think Homer seems the angriest I

have everyone, though easily he's the one that as well. He's also also displayed it in other episodes where he can be off the wall and a bit. I'm not sure if the most flame and flaming Homer's episode is before this one. Yeah, Moses season three. Yeah, so in that one even he loses his mind a little bit and goes a little bit chaotic on that one. So he's got it in him to kind of lose it. So I think Homer being off the wall on this and again he looks the angriest

of everyone. I think, Wow, that's my old smith in Westion. You're gonna play whether it be careful because it's loaded. Damn. Guns are very dangerous and I won't have them in this house. How can you have a house without a gun? What about bear can't through the door. I'm going to bury it in the yard where little hands can't get to it. You should have fired into the air. She would have run off. Grandpa

Simpson is so good in this episode. Underrated performance. What was the point for you when you finally realized that you were in that moment where it's like it'll happen to you. You know. I used to be with it, but I'm not a change what it was. Have you hit that moment yet? I've definitely hit that moment where I don't understand, Like I don't understand the music scene anymore. I'm just I'm getting old. Yeah, completely,

I've think four or five years ago happened to me. I think TikTok is definitely one way I can't sit up for the life of me, and I can't understand any of the filters or even snapchat to find a little bit out of my depth. So, yes, it's happened. I finally had to like learn it from my job while being social media and things like that. But do you guys use TikTok for your podcast or was it mainly Instagram? We've used it sporadically, I think again that's probably a sign of our age.

We've had a couple that have done okay, but we've not been consistent whatsoever, which I think TikTok seems to face the problem. Yeah, yeah, consistent every day. If you don't post every day, TikTok algorithms goes nah. Yeah, yeah, we are. We are long gone. We are long gone on TikTok. Yeah. Yeah, the problem is I sually we put all our eggs in one bart. With Facebook, We've got a huge following. But like I said, you know, a couple of weeks

ago, they just took it away from us. Adam know when I thought I need to start ticking and talking. That's what they call it, right exactly. Snapchat is still a thing. I never used Snapchat ever in my life. I work in social media and we work with a lot of creators as well, and your Facebook is one we work with a lot. And Snapchat is actually really if you get on there, it's actually really good for for monetization as well. It's a really big one, especially over here.

Yeah I think it was an America but yeah it's a mad one. But yeah, Facebook is Facebook. We work with a page where we have ten posts a day, ten posts a day. Yeah, it's full on me? What it look glad? Bible? What? What? What? Who? What's ten posts? Ten posts? Don't say who it was? But is it news based or is it just useless content? I say, I can say it's a podcast called Diary of a CEO. Okay, is your dragons? Don Tom he's in dragons Den over here. But yeah, he's

kind of like a business yed guy. He's one of those. Yeah, but yeah it's for it's the client and that, and yeah it's doing really well from it, but it's really making me think maybe Facebook other pages need a lot more attention. But ten posts a day is mad. It's now

top of the big town meeting at the end of part one. Mister Burns he's planned to block out the sun, and the mayor has his little underling to just give him the gist of what's going on here, and he realized a number of them a striking guns, so he's going to step aside and

where everyone runs through why mister Burns has ruined their lives. Mister Burns was the closest thing I ever had to him, but he fired me and fun around Bay drinking cheap scotch and watching govern in Central Oh dear God, I never ass pardon my anger, but course me my clones skipping job at the school. And do you superstitiously take the one at got to him. I lost my room, my things, and my buddy's collection of old sunbathing magazine

you based it. I lost my bar Oster's Bar. He robbed the School of Music, he robbed the School of Financial Security, he robbed the School of Title. He can't remember my name's look what he did? My best friend? What do you guys like? Millhouse? Well, as as I finished part two of Who Show, Mister Burns Radioactive Man episode was on, which is a big, a big Millhouse episode, and I loved the episode

and actually quite like Millhouse in that as well. But he did start to grete on me towards the end, as did Lisa in both of these episodes. She'd kind of put herself and that's when I started to suspect Lisa because she was kind of providing everyone with an overview on who the main suspects are. She was kind of narrating the story as you went, and I was just like, Lisa, come on, what has Lisa got to gain here?

But you know, I'm a fan of Millhouse. Millhouse in the oil Bart when Bart sells his soul, I think he's really funny in that one. It's also a complete dick though it's totally fair, but it was It's nice to see Millhouse finally have the upper hand on Barca. Usually Bart just hanging shit on Millhouse. I always remember that moment in Summer of four foot two where they go to go on the summer vacation and Bart's trying to impress those kids and then they don't vote for for it. It was like,

who was you think, Dennis and Menace as I did it work? No, they must have seen you. But so it's perfect time here for mister Burns to arrive with some oil to for his wheels, the dog's wheels, so because they're squeaking a bit, and I just love that what a heel where he's like, I've got some oil, perhaps I can sell him some oil to this dog, And I was like, what a prick. I just I just love the way thats have. Mister Burns go full super villain

in this episode. Yeah, the old waistcoat pocket what's the word for storing a gun that's so bad that I don't know? The wholester who thank you, I've even got a run down, Yeah, the old waistcoat holster. Yeah, and he's got a bit of a spring in his step at this point as well as if anything bad, very cocky and pay attention to that Holster is also a very big clue yes, yeah, yeah. So then we get did you see you haven't seen the sun set at three pm?

Of course to see Captain has shut up you. And then he gets through the sun, wads off into the knife Crossy arrives from Reno. He's been away for six weeks? Where is everybody? You? Okay? What did you play that with? Response? This Burns has been shot. Just a minute. This isn't mister Burns at all. It's a mask. Wait, it is Burns. His wrinklee skin looks like a mask. I don't think, Well I don't know who did this. Everyone in towns a suspect.

Well, I couldn't. Possibly it's alve this mystery, can you Yeah, I'll give it a shot. I mean, you know, it's my job, right And that is the end of part one, and we'll just basically talk about episodes. You won't skin through the whole thing. It will take forever. But I just love the way in episode two, the way so when it starts off with the shower scene, do you know what that's a reference to? Where it's just it's a dream? Do you do you know

what that's a reference to? Because they've become detectives together in the race cab. Yeah, so basically what happened was Dallas, the show we mentioned earlier

with the who shot Jr. Years or six years later or whatever. Ratings were dropping after they killed off one of their main characters, and then the season finale, a woman wakes up from a sleep, goes into the shower and the person who was her husband had died and she'd since remarried and I think his name is Bobby or something, and he's just having a shower and he's like hello, And that was the end of the season. So for

the entire summer, everyone's going, how is this possible? Whatever, And they just explain in the first episode of the next season, Oh, that last season was all a dream. Pretend it never happened. He's back, and that's where the whole it was just the dream things comes from. Now whenever you see a parody of it was all a dream. Yeah, that's what they're taking off here. Basically, it was just widing themselves out of

a hole because everyone stopped watching because they killed off a character. So they just rode him back in and said it was all a dream. And that's what this was a take off of. Because it was Dallas and Dallas because they were coming back from the season. Yeah, and that's how that season started as well. Yeah. One thing as well that really stuck out from the first episode is Marge obviously said she would go and bury the gun, and it's sort of a yes, did she bury it? Did she not

bury it? But she buried it in the front garden. Yeah, the revolver, the revolver box was dug up and it was just blowing in the wind of the front garden, which everybody can see. So whoever's dug that revolver up? Yeah, I was like, wow, why not the back garden. You've already got like bits of treehouse. You could hide it underneath. I guess they did that as an establishing shot, so you can see

the Simpsons house in the background, so you know where it was. We guys, as lost as I was as a kid watching the Twin Peaks reference in this episode with the clues, I had fucking no idea what was going on when I was a kid. I still I've still never seen Twin Peaks. I still I've seen that scene now because I knew what they were referencing, But the the Burns is sued. I was like, I have no idea, what's happening right now? Yeah, I think I've got the basic

ings think references, but I didn't get a twin Peaks. Now, was it Wigham had some bad cream and then started having a bad dream? Bad cream was warm? Or yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So my girlfriend said, that's a Twin Peaks reference. That's a Twin Peak and I I've never seen it, so I didn't get it, but she got it straight away. I think that's what the Simpsons were so great at, was referencing things that sort of made you go and do research and discover other great moments

of pop culture sort of other great well. For example, they're Indiana Jones parody with Homer rolling down the stairs. If you haven't seen Indiana Jones, yeah, you just think that's just a funny Simpsons visual gag. But no, as you get you're like, hey, it's Indiana Jones. You know so good this and these both these episodes are chopped full of them as well. Yeah one dred percent, Yeah, but what we lock your key takeaways from part two? For me, the standout moment was, and it's so

small and insignificant, but Moe's lie detector. Oh that's iconic, isn't it? So so good? I have a hot date tonight, No I have I have a date. No, I have a dinner with a friend. No, I have dinner alone watching TV alone. No, No, I'm going to sit on old ladies in Victoria's Secret No sears okay, ding so good? Sound like I don't deserve this chebvy treatment. So good, that's great. I do also love the basic instinct Willie gag here opening up the

legs of the kilt. So do you think they did a good job of establishing that Homer was going to be the one? It felt a bit early in the episode went upon reflection now, but I think it's a game. When I was first watching it, I went, ah, it's just Homer, because it all made sense. I think, like because we said about the other episodes. I mean, even though he was the most angry one, and you know, you think he probably has it in him because he

usually calms down it's resolved. I never, even though it did got about to be even though it is one of the main family, I didn't. I think Home was too big a character In my head. Even then, I was like, it's not going to be him, but I don't, you know, I don't even remember as a kid, though, who I

strongly believed it being. I remember thinking he shot himself for a long time because the whole star and maybe he was trying to pull it out, and I did, yeah, I for a long time before he'd accidentally discharged the rifle of the pistol into himself. But would never in a million have gone to Maggie. I remember when I was watching this as a kid, I thought it was Smithers, and then when they said it was Homer, I

thought, ah. Then I thought maybe it was Herb. I thought they're going to bring back Herb the Simpsons, But then it wouldn't make sense because I hadn't really established a reason for that. But any reason to bring back Herb, in my opinion, because I thought Dan Davida was Herb is one of my favorite one or two time characters of all time. But yeah, I just I remember watching this one and when it was revealed finally at the

end that it is it is Maggie. I remember being disappointed, But you know, my logical brain now looks back and goes it was probably the right option because it was the only sort of way out, wasn't it if they did the evil baby with the one eyebrow. Yeah, but then you have to ignore the Simpsons DNA as as trou McClure says in one hundred and thirtyeth episode Spectacular that it would just be down right nuddy had Larry Burns been introduced by this point or not, and of season six I think he was.

Season seven, I want to say Burns, baby Burns. But holy Molly, is at a great episode that I never appreciated. Nothing as aid as a kid so good, so obviously so in the one hundred and thirty eight episode Spectacular, which may have been the following season or the season after, it's where they show all the alternate endings that they had the animators just draw just to throw them off. They were genuinely created because it was a big

deal. Like they said that when they did the table read for this one, the final five to ten pages of the script were printed out on separate paper and only a handful of them new and once they'd done it, they shredded it. You couldn't read it anymore because they wanted to keep it a secret. And yeah, so basically it was like this huge deal. So they got them to do the fake endings and that's why they had the ending in that episode where it was actually revealed to be Smithers, so you would

never really know who actually was. Yeah. Wow, they went all out then. Yeah, And apparently they tried to leak it. They went to like news outlets and said, look, I've got footage of this Smithers. Here's the footage, and no news outlet would run with it. Everyone all of a sudden, was honest. They wanted to throw out this spoiler that was a fake spoiler, but no one bought it anyway. But that is who shot mister Burns part too. Just it would probably be top for me.

It's top five, but I knowbout you guys, but top five most iconic episodes of the Simpsons. Not necessarily the best, but just iconic. It's the ones that we were one of the ones that we remember the most. I think, yeah, I think it's jam packed with loads of singers, like I said, And yeah, even though in the fact it's spook because usually the Simpsons tend the spoof maybe one film or whatever. But it

does do a few good spoofs. And if you could nods to other mysteries as well, and like you say, when you get older, you kind of realize what that actually, you know. I didn't know what basic instinct was when I was watching it the first time, but then the joke Riddy lunds when you know the exact thing that they're doing. So yeah, I think it definitely holds up. Not yeah, it's not in my top five, but it's definitely like in one of the ones, like I think back

and Go, that's a very solid episode. Definitely. But speaking of top five, asked the question for you guys now before we get into your to your stuff, so I threw it to you. You're in charge of a Simpsons marathon ninety to ninety eight. I'm not sure what did Aaron BBC? What was what? Sky? What was it on Channel four and Sky? Sky one? H Channel four and Sky? Okay, so not only a Channel four and Sky Friday Night five episodes Simpsons marathon? What episodes that you

guys go on with. I've got some. The thing is, I'm not going to try and be too cool with this. I'm going to go for ones that I just think naturally, you know, the standouts, and I think some of them are fairly obvious. But yeah, march Bus is the monorail. That's the one that's one of those iconic ones that it's just it's just so memorable. Yeah, and I didn't really I didn't realize it was called this one. I searched Simpson's Lord of the Flyers and it was das

Bus. Dast Bus is fantastic. Yeah, or rescue by let's say, mo King of the Hill. The only reason for that one is because you know when you have certain food on TV that really makes you like you really want to eat it. That spaghetti protein bar that he does whenever I see looks so good. So for that little nod for that. But I found a recipe online for that, which is I don't know how it was a recipe on line. When I was searching for it, it showed me someone

made one. I was like, it's not quite the same, but yeah, I was go a Treehouse of Horror. They're all great, but I like the I really like the Edgar Poe one, but also the snake snake Hair one is brilliant. And I really think Carl the Pa Simpson and Delilah, I really like Carl the Pa. I think his voice is incredible, so underrated, have you I see it as as Carl is so great. Yeah, he's brilliant. All right, well's a good it's a good five. What about you, Ben, We we have none of the same,

which is cool. And these are ones. I picked these five before I looked online for additional episodes because I could easily have picked fifteen. So we're starting off with the b Sharps. As a big Beatles fan, I approve it's just so much fun. Then we're moving on to two dozen and one Greyhounds, where mister Burns tries to make the greyhound suit mister Plow. Then we go into the way we was just always remember, all right, all right, I'll walk in the mud. Yeah, that same way that I'm

gonna hug you in Kisse. You'll never let you go. It's just so sweet, isn't it? So good? So good? And then we're finishing on Flaming Mos, which again became just so much fun to have a mo one in that homer at the top and at the end of finding Mos with his gown over half over his face. It's just one of the most funniest visuals ever. You were mentioned that you love the emotional endings, how you're going the way he was? I thought you might have thrown in and make

you make three. They do it for her. That seems to be the one everyone talks about now. It would Yeah, if I had gone with my then googled ones, it would one hundred percent of been on there. And also, yeah, the is it the Joe? No, Marg Marge be not proud and a Millhouse Divided always kind of stuck with me as well because Kurt van Outen is such a funny character as well. The best part about Millhouse Divided is they were willing to separate these two characters and at the

end they didn't get back together. That's the bit I love you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's like they set up like, oh, you know, he's singing the song for It's all happy ending against She's gonna leave this big ladiator go and got back with Kirk. She's like, no, I don't like you. It's like that's life, you know. They split up for a reason. Alright, But let's talk about I could murder a podcast. So yeah, basically you mentioned how you did you still use you

launched it over covid? Is that what you said? Yes, yeah, kind of at the height of the first lockdown, or when things first started to ease up slightly that we could be in the same room as one another. We'd always wanted to do something, and we were both kind of still

working through the pandemic, but we had a bit of spare time. We both got kind of drunk and tried to rip off another YouTube channel, which is Hummy's VR comedy, and instead of playing virtual reality games, they use the games as platforms to do improv comedy and they use the characters and they film from their headsets and it's so so good. It's very niche, but so so good. We wanted to do our own version, but we quickly realized we get terrible motion sickness, so we went with Plan B. Tom

had the name. We were both always into our true crime and yeah, the rest is kind of history for now. Any particular crime that you invest yourself in more than others, well, well, I think nowadays what definitely with the podcast, I enjoy the light moments of it, or being able to be like in the podcast, which is the bits why I find it fun. And I think we had the most fun with doing the ones that are mysteries or ones that happened so long ago, they don't feel real.

Now you feel like, oh, you feel like in a safer zone, to be a bit walk the line a bit more in terms of having a few jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the word. But a mystery ones, I think it's always good to speculate and discuss between ourselves what we think might have actually happened. I think then, yeah, I don't know, some random ones really like Again or ed Guyn, however you want to say it. That one was actually very enjoyable because it was so grotesque.

It just felt like a horror film. But yeah, mystery ones are great. Wasn't that the text has changed on Messaco? Wasn't it based on him? Yeah? Yeah, definitely played a big part in the family. Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah. I mean there's so many cases we've done that do feel that way. I think it's tricky because in our world it's you're either a super serious facts facts, facts, facts,

dates, dates, date states, this is what happened. Or there are ones that are really loose and actually take the piss in quite an offensive way some of them, and we're somewhere in the middle. Floating around. We're kind of like a mid morning you can have a bath and listen to us. Nothing bad is going to happen. We try and when it does get a bit too intense, the light relief is usually at my expense or you

know, any weird niche references. We can go down, but it's we try and make it light where we can so that it's more digestible, because some of these cases are really heavy. I think a lot of people have said that it's like they can't listen to true crime because they find it either triggering or they find it really hard. And we're kind of a bit like, because we have the light moments, we kind of break it up a little bit. I'm sure that's a bit some people find really frustrating because they

want us to just to carry on and get into it. But at the same time, yeah, I wouldn't do it if it's just been serious the whole time. But I do think us doing it on YouTube, that's where you get the comments from people going, oh, it's not always wanting to get on with it. That's why I think a lot of the more kind

of the more crude ones that take the piss a lot more. They just don't do visuals, so they still on audio, and you know, then no one can really comment in a public space and they can get away of it a lot more. But we put ourselves in the fire and line a little bit. I was just interested to know that how did you guys go into it, going how do we differentiate ourself from every other true crime podcast because there's so many of them. Yeah, that's true, and every every

case is being covered by at least one of them. So for us it was I mean even in our early time on YouTube, that was when we were so stoked when you reached out because in our first couple of series on YouTube, we put up a lot of visual gags and a few of them were Simpsons ones. So Tom was like, oh, we were He made a joke and then was like, oh that's good, squishy and a little a little cup of so niche. No one's watching true crime looking for Simpsons

references, but that was our kind of our thing. Everyone loves those, but that honestly helps you find a whole new audience. If you can work in Simpsons references, you're there. Well, we did every series that we do, we do an audience vote and we just did the one our audience vote last week and someone even commented who shot mister Burns? Cover that case? Who shot mister Burns? Cover that case? And so we mentioned we're coming on with you, which was super pumped about. But I think it's

just we've we try and do it slightly different. We try and interject where we can a little bit of light relief or make it more digestible, and that's and it's that's kind of separated us for now from a few other podcasts, which has been nice. Have you ever considered doing who Shot Mister Burns as a serious case but having a different killer, just putting your own spin on it. That would be so much fun. That would be fun. Definitely would be fun. Yeah, and yeah, we could go kind of

urn with it. I mean, yeah, that could be That could be cool. I've got three order thousand followers who might be interested in watching in that case, It's yeah, I think it's in the works. But we have interesting I think that's probably what Tom's about to say. We've covered cases

that are who Done It? Where there's you know, someone that's sadly being murdered, and yeah, there are four or five family members, strangers, work, colleagues, ex lovers and it's still unsolved, or there's someone been wrongfully imprisoned or rightfully in prison, and those cases are always the most fascinating ones because everyone has a different opinion and really strong different opinion, which I think, again was such a cool thing about these Simpsons episodes is that everyone

had a different person in mind. No one had Maggie, No nobody. Yeah, is there any case off of it to you, any type of case? Well, yeah, But one of the ones that Ben definitely had on his list was it was one that we got voted in the public vote, so it kind of were ham strong and we had to kind of cover

it. I've kind of been open to whatever case really just because I felt like we've covered so we've covered an absolute breadth of ones from you know, school shootings to like in Watkins Jimmy staff, all that kind of stuff, and they feel like we kind of not because I think we've did not desensitize ourselves. We still get like, you know, mostly affected by the episodes.

But and a lot of times we when filming them, we'll crack jokes to each other that don't make the episode to kind of loosen the vibe a little bit and get us through some dark bits, which I think helps us definitely. But I think, no, I think is the ones we've covered. I think that we're kind of open to everything. There's ones that are more interested in rather than a case of being like I wouldn't want to cover

that for whatever reason. I think the only thing that we ever do say is kind off limits is if someone requests a case that happened a month ago, a few weeks ago, something that's very prominent in the news, because we don't have all the facts yet, it's very reactionary. There are a lot of channels that do do that type of thing and like an overview and

interject their opinions on new you know, recent news. There's been so much in the news today about terrible things that have happened in Sweden and Austria, but especially if it's a murder case, we have to wait until we have all of our facts, until it's not so emotionally fresh that people might view us as trying to cash in on that kind of situation, which is just

not what we're about at all. So that's the only thing I'd say, Like, really recent events is kind of things we typically tried to avoid. I was just better to ask you, do you ever watch the news days days and just go we can do a show on that. But do you watch the news now and go three years from now? Yeah? The Titan submersible. Do you remember that a year ago? Two years ago? How

could you not? Yeah? Well that's well. One of the Simpsons, one of the classic Simpsons rids Mike Race, went on that it was all over the news as a result. Wow. Yeah, I mean there was content made about that the day, well before it had even been discovered what had happened. There were so many people making content about it. But I still feel it's very fresh for the families and investigations still going on. But

I would again I find that situation harrowing but fascinating. But there's as you said, there was news news alerts today, there was a school in Sweden that something terrible happened in. There'll be people wanting content about that, but

it's just that's kind of not our not our thing. And then mass shootings or incidents like that, especially when it's kids, it's they always slightly difficult to talk about and research thoroughly and they've been the most challenging ones to deliver, Tom, I think, I mean, they're all challenging, but yeah, I'm fully agree with you. I think it's it's it's because I agree

with you as well, but the news stuff. But it's like, we can't we can't monetize it straight away, but we can monetize it in two years time. It still feels a little bit like that. It's problematic in itself, but yeah, it's more because it's fresh, and you know, we don't want to say anything or if someone's been accused of something and you know early on and it proved not to be the case. But yeah,

it's tricky. But I think one thing that one of the best comments we get from people is just people saying they watch it and they've you know, they've heard this case a million times, but they've learned something new from us, or they enjoy they listen to it and they want to watch it again as well, and we give them a slightly different experience watching it. I think that's always the kind of nice comments we get about them. But yeah, I think it has to be a little bit time past before we can

jump on it. But it's for two reasons. Like you said, obviously it's a bit too raw being so reasonable. I like the idea of we don't have all the facts yet. You can't do a full, complete deep dive unless you've got no pun intended, all the facts on for example, the subversa and things like that. You know, because there was a lot of people making apologies after the actual reasoning came out. Everyone was like, ah, we'll cracking jokes and things we probably shouldn't have been. Yeah,

yeah, it was luckily nothing. We've not had to do any kind of apology yet, but yeah, I can completely understand how that, how how that does happen, And yeah, we want to get our facts right, as Tom said we would. We would hate to get something incorrect or misrepresent a person that is, you know, innocent of something where we're not. We're not. We're not about that at all. Have you ever started a crime particular sort of episode of story and just gone halfway through and went just

not feeling it. I just can't continue with this one or say our first episode was a real struggle because it was just it was absolutely terrible when it took about five hours to get get through it. But because we had in their structure whatsoever. But apart from that, I don't I don't know. I think this one is that I'm less ged about. And then usually those ones, to be fair surprise me when we actually film them and we discuss

them. But there's never been one that we've gone like started it or researching it and gone Now. We have bailed on a couple maybe season finishes and changed them because we thought maybe they're not a strong, stronger clothes we like to use to go for a bit of a curveball at the end of the

series. But yeah, I don't know. I think because we have such a long time as well, where we have usually have two or three months between the series, we have a good time to kind of vet out the ones that we think and not quite up to what we want to do.

Was that a deliberate choice going into it, not a weekly thing. We're doing this season by season so we don't burn ourselves out or Yeah, we started with six episodes the first series, and then we yead doubled that and then when we decided we're not going to do visual for a series, I

thought our people will probably be a bit pissed off. Let's do eighteen, which I think everyone hated me for after doing it because it was like, yeah, there's a long, a long our stretch, but I think, yeah, it works nicely and are kind of like twelve on twelve off. But we still do minnesotes every week on our website. So we do and they're like forty minutes long as well, and we do that. There's over one hundred and fifty on there now, so like, even though we have

a break, it's still not a break break. And yeah, those ones are always good, so you tease them with the seasons. But if you want to get weekly content, you've got to be a subscriber. That's the key. Yeah, yeah, I love that. My marketing brain is like, yes, that's how it works. So with let's talk about so the website. I've noticed, so what do you we use Patreon, which I'm trying to get away from me and it's not really liking the platform of Patreont

the moment. What do you guys use as a platform for subscribers fourth Wall. There's a little they did a little video on us the other day which it might be might be a few for you to watch, but we basically have some problems with Patreon, and we didn't quite like how they did certain things, and fourth Wall has been really ideal in terms of how they've been really responsive to everything, even open to suggestion if you suggest certain things.

And as well for us it was merch because you can basically they deal at the shipping and stuff like that, so we could make things. They'll deal with the ship in if you don't need to print loads in one time, the print individual for individual orders. But they've been great for what we've needed. And yeah, it's been kind of seamless going from Patreon to there. Patreon has just found quite buggy with certain elements. Yeah, really glitchy.

Every month there were some just some strange things happening. But we've not had that issue since going to Fourth Form and we have more control and people get way more value for their money now, So the feedback has been pretty pretty good. It's been a pretty seamless What has been about a year and a half two years now that we ditch Patreon, I think so, Yeah, did you find it was subscribe as drop off or was a transition Today you're just jump ship all of them at the same time. When you when you

when you move platforms. We've done the video. We did a video saying basically, we're moving website and then we still nowadays even get the old person signent to patroon, but who we guess is watching a really old episode of US and they're seeing us advertising pay, which is a bit crap, but we do say still the first video they can see is we've moved over. So yeah, people stayed. Kind of think people just forget about when they

subscribe to a Patreon. They said they stayed there for ages and it was twindling down, but the numbers picked up kind of the switcher rouge over to the other side. It wasn't too long to hit kind of where we're out on Patreon, but they had the numbers slowly went away. Patron's kind of just been a little like, I don't know, a little pot of people that slowly just dwindled. But yeah, it's been been fairly seamless. Is

there anything exciting coming up? Say? Exciting and it's crime, but the anything big stories coming up in the next season that we should tease here, Oh we have where when is this likely to go out? When would you like it to go out? Whenever? Whenever's good for you. So our our next episode is nine to eleven, which is for us. Oh wow, it's a bit heavy, big case. I'm assuming you haven't announced that yet, so I'll wait till you've announced it before we put this. Yeah,

so we're we'll be announcing that. What when we be announcing that time? Early April? Now, it'll be next Friday. Yeah, so Friday, Yeah, not too far away. Next. That's just we've frowned as well, Like we our episodes tend to fall randomly in line with either twenty five anniversary or whatever when we've been doing them, and we originally were doing series nine, episode twelve, it's going to be nine to eleven, and we thought, let's just see season nine, episode eleven as nine to eleven

because that makes a lot of sense. It's just fallen that way. Yeah, I feel like nine eleven is something you could do an entire season on. There's just so many stories there. Oh yeah, that's that's a really tricky thing. When we get a giant case that other podcasts have done, Yeah, the whole series on. There are cases we've covered that literally podcasts have been made about that case in particular that have multiple series regarding so yeah,

it's quite daunting when we have to condense certain cases. So nine to eleven we're going to lean in towards the end a bit more to the conspiracies and exploring not that necessarily we buy into them, but we feel that that there'll be some good conversations there. We'll go through the timeline of events in the background, but there's so much you could add to that in terms of

the aftermath, the impact it had on the world. So that's going to be really hard to kind of condense what could be several hours into you know, an hour and a half. I buy into the conspiracies a bit. I feel like you kind of have to sometimes when you do in a true crime, right, you have to at least be open minded. Oh yeah, completely, Yeah, my mind is open on it though. Oh really, Okay, that sounds like a little brag. Well, producer Dan as

Well is coming into this as a former conspiracy theorist. Warmers he smoked he smoked weed once once, the one time it really really got him. But he's yeah, he's gone like on the full journey of Yeah, no, the structure should not have melted away like that, and it shouldn't happen like this, The Devil's Faces in the Clouds, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so we're going to explore his journey as well. But yeah, we've got a bunch of big episodes, and yeah, we kind of mix it up

a little bit in terms of disaster. It's all quite gloomy stuff. Disasters, kidnappings, mysteries. What other kind of out there ones have we done Tom that are a bit different Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Yeah, which that No, he did one on Michael Jackson well yeah, yeah, and that's actually probably the one that's caused the most controversy because they're still obviously a

great deal of his fans that are very passionate. We tried to be very impartial down the line with it. This is what people believe on the guilty party, this is what people believe on the innocent party, and this is you know, kind of what people believe in the middle, and it still upset a lot of people that are huge fans of him. Yeah. I find also when we do when we do anything on an in cell, then the in cells come for us a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

that's always fun. I love making people piercing people are for the right reasons. Is that as I put it. Yeah, but we just did our review revisit of Stark Raving Dad, the episode that they took down featuring Michael Jackson of the Simpsons, and I never realized until I did the research for the episode. They didn't just take it down because of docco Al Jean.

The show runner took it down because he thought that Michael Jackson was using the episode to groom children, so he wanted to guest star and thought he approached them so you can go on this show that kids watch, so that he can get them to his ranch and showed them the episode and groomed them with it. I thought, I've never seen it that way before, but now I can't unsee it. Yeah, yeah, that's I had Lisa, It's your birthday in my head earlier, but now I feel bad about that.

Yeah that's dirty, right, Yeah yeah, but yeah, it's a great episode. So you check that out on the feet as well. But yeah, guys, thank you so much again for joining me here. It's been fantastic. Finally make this happen. But before we go, tell us where can we find all of your stuff? So your website, your socials, let's have it, okay, thank you so yeah, no, thank you so much for having us. Thank you for waking up super early as

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