Stark Raving Dad (revisited)

You seemed like a nice guy. Why'd they put you in here? Because they were a pink shirt? I understand people thought I was crazy for the way I dressed. What'd you wear? One white glove covered with Ryan Stars? Four Finger Discount, dude, Welcome to four Finger Discount, where this week we're here to review an episode that's no longer exists. Stuck raving Dad. I'm Dando, and I am the big white guy who thinks he's the little black guy. No, just call me guy. You do like your

soul and everything? Now that, yeah? I do. Indeed, what jazz instrument would you play if you were a jazz musician? Because you're a very Miles Davis Askue fan, aren't you? I am so. I like to think I would be a trumpet guy, although a sax guy would not be bad either. DP of pants, that's the question. I was peeing my pants before it was cool? Yeah? Yeah, Wor's we all well? And we'll get you to continue to do so after it stopped for Yeah?

Yeah? Yeah. What was the point where you realize I don't care if I'm not cool anymore. I'm waiting way past that now. But there is a point I think it's maybe in your like mid to late twenties where you go, I'm no longer like you go out to a night club. I think it's the first thing to go to a nightclub and you realize these people are like ten years younger than me. I'm the old guy to them. Now, that's where you start going. I give a ship. Yeah,

it took a little while beyond the twenties. It was my thirties. Yeah, I think when I because I think when I became a dad, it was for me. I'm a dad now, so it's okay to be uncol when you're a dad, right, Oh I imagine. So yeah, so I don't have kids, so I'm what's your excuse. I'm constantly searching for validation from the young generation. Have I got the Riz kids? I've got the Riz right, and the future is now old man? Yeah, no, no, you're right. Oh yeah, I'd probably be a trumpet

player, maybe a saxonist. The Lovely Louise's youngest son, musical prodigy Felix, recently got his own saxophone over the weekend. He was very happy with It's got inscriptions on it and up here hearing his infernal tootling on it. I was like, oh man, I mean I wish I was more musical. I mean, I clearly have a lovely singing voice. As listeners of the podcast will know, that was a juke FIV see tune. There's plenty of them. But no, I think I I like, I like the

idea of a trump but it just seems like a small compact instrument. You know, you're not having to lug a whole. But you mean you a tuba player, Nicholas A saxophonist. Is that a saxophonist? Saxophone saxophonist, saxophonists. Yeah, she's writer. Remember she's great at it. Yeah, she plays a lion because when she was the first thing she learned was to play the Lion king songs on the saxophone. Yeah, she created it, so you'll you'll get the occasional hakuna matata. Yeah. Wow, she's very

musical. Nicola, very very very talented. My wife, as is your your lovely Louise your part, Well, her great talent was finding a good boyfriend. Now you know who was very talented and still is is the Al Jean, the Simpsons showrunner. Look you're about to say, Michael Jackson's like, is there something you know that? And Mike Reese, who took over from the show at the beginning of season three. This was their first episode that went to air. They people fans of The Simpsons say that the Golden

Era started with this episode with season three. However, unfortunately, after they is of Finding Neverland, the documentary they came out a few years ago. I think that's what it's called, maybe Leaving Leaving Neverland, the movie is Finding It, that's right, Leaving Neverland came out, and all the allegations that Michael Jackson with you know, we've all we all know that the details which had been circulating for a fair while before that documentary came out before these

two young men in particular went on the record. Yeah, there's a reason they called him wacko Jacko, right, and then Al Jean I'm sure Mike Reese as well, but Al Jean's one went on the recorder saying, we

took this out of circulation. This episode no longer available on streaming or on free to air what you call it our syndication, Yeah, because we or he believes that Michael Jackson used this episode to groom kids and when I had never seen this until you sent it to me in preparation for this episode. I never thought about it that way. I've always seen it as a bit of a tragedy that this episode has been taken off the air because of it

felt like a snap judgment. All this documentary is coming out, we don't want to be affiliated with it. Let's pull the episode. We don't want the Simpsons to be thrown in like Michael Jackson was once on The Simpsons. Let's quick, let's pull it away from circulation. He has gone on the record it was worth the Daily Beast, the interview al Jean where he says, I have no proof, it's just my gut feeling that he would have

used this to groom kids. I'm not saying he's right or wrong. It's still a shame to we've lost the episode, but I can understand now why it no longer exists because the guy who created it feels dirty. Oh yeah, it feels complicit, and it's a shame that that happened. I was

surprised there's anyone to read that piece. By all that interview with Algene, I hadn't really heard about it until I'll just the link for the interview in the description of this because it's not all about that, but they use that as the headline. Let's hook you in with this, that's right. I think the reporter who did it it is a bit of a Marck breaker. And yes, I'm not a huge fan, but yeah, the gist of that article is about season three and about the sort of the birth of the

Golden age of the Simpsons. Yeah, but this is certainly comes up. And Algae is not the only guy to talk about it. I mean James L. Brooks has also gone on the record and saying, look, I'm not for book burning, I'm not for censorship, but I think of it as this is our book. I created it, and we're entitled to take a chapter out of it if we choose to do so. Clear they chose to do so. Now there's still a means to get access to the episode.

I'm holding up here, as you'll see, if you're watching this show right now, hold up to the camera the season three box set. And it was so lovely to pull out the box set. It felt like, and I know all the othergations that are going around. I understand why it's to the episode off, but it was so nice putting this episode, and

I think I've watched it for ten fifteen years. It was like seeing an old friend, as weird as that may sound, because it's got the whole MJA sort of taint to it now, but I just went, oh, it's write this episod, So it's like rediscovering it again. I hadn't watched it for so long, and it's just a shame that, Like, for example, Alliott now he started watching The Simpsons a bit bit more often, younger generations now won't really know the episode exist unless their parents say this one

exists too. Then it might be incumbent on parents and say, oh, they may say why can't I see it on Disney Plus or why can't I see it? And by any other means, and then you've got to but then you've got all the other They put a little stinger at the start of a Laddin and things like that, saying that doesn't reflect us. But I guess there's nothing in the episode that reflects poorly. As how the episode they he al Jean and James Brooks feel it might have been used. That's why

they've taken it down. So it's a different Yeah, that's right. I mean, there's no sort of retrograde racism, no tobacco depictions, seeing a lot of a lot of tobacco depictions in front of recent episodes of certain things. I don't have the box set that you do. I had to obtain my copy of Star Graving dad By. Well let's say it rhymes with Birasy. Well there's a guy. I can't remember who it was, but could I posted about it on our Twitter at four finger pot if you want to

follow us on Twitter because you can't follow us on Facebook anymore. This is still happening at four figure discount on Instagram as well. And we're gonna get into TikTok happening at four finger discount on TikTok's well, that's all right, there's a we're ticking now. We're talking fifty something year old man on TikTok. That's what the kids are tuning, ol Gene, we'll not be watching

what was I? He put the full episode on Twitter because Twitter is this is a free for all now, there's no copyright, there's nothing, so you can watch it for a friend on Twitter. If you just said a lot of things are coming up on Twitter it's like, you'll see this posting. Oh fuck it, here's the full movie of such and such. It just came out, so you know it'll be on pirate bayeah and I'm just uploaded to Twitter hang around forever. It's crazy. Here's the whole movie of

the flash. I'm like, I've got no desire to watch this, but what it's there? Yeah, daddy, elon, you're not taking it down. What's going on? Freedom of speech, baby, that's true. Piracy be star grabbing. Dad. Do you think it's sad that it's been removed from circulation. It's sad, but it's understandable. I think it's probably the best way to put it right. Going back to what mister Brooks said. You look, they wrote the book they're in told to take a chapter out

of it. I think for a show that is ostensibly a family show, yeah, it may raise too many awkward questions. And I understand where el Gene is coming from as well in that feeling and complicity that they may have had something to do with the grooming of children. Yeh, the grooming of children. And you don't want your name attached to that, I mean, you just it would give you the ick but I had never heard anybody throw

that out there until he pitched that. So if he had never said that, would you have ever assumed that, would you ever have gone, you know what? He might have used this to groomed children. Was that mentioned in the doco? I don't think it was. Was it? I don't think so. No, I mean I can recall anyway. No, No, I mean I remember watching the Neverland documentary when it came out. I wrote a piece about it for or for the Music magazine when I was doing

my column for that didn't sound of like a debunk. I was saying they met at a certain place, and that place wasn't built at the time in which they said it was going to be there or something. I think you had a lot of amateur sleuths going, well, this doesn't add up, and this doesn't scan. There's no wind on the moon. It really felt like grasping its straws in a lot of ways. I'm kind of inclined to take certain allegations and certain accusations with a bit of a grain of salt and

until I get as much evidence as possible. Watching the evidence of these two about to say young men, I mean they're still relatively young. I guess when they were being interviewed for this docer, it's like, I'm one hundred percent buying this. You can't, Well, you weren't there, so you can't. Yeah. But these particular recollections and the way they expressed themselves, the way they what they recollected, how they how they expressed that precise.

This feels very very precise, very authentic, very authentic. It very lived in. Yeah. So this interview where he said about the glooming of children was twenty nineteen. I don't think he'd said it beforehand, because when did the docco come out Finding Neverland or Leaving Neverland? Sorry, hold to be sometime in the I want to say, maybe twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, Leaving Neverland twenty nights. It was the same year, twenty five years ago.

I thought it was a lot longer than that. Time keeps on slipping into the future. Man. But there's another point in the interview though, where he the interviewer asks about how Michael Jackson because he wrote the Happy Birthday Lisa's song, great song. I love the song, one of my favorite Simpsons songs. It's a shame that won't get used anymore, heard anymore. But he brings up the do you think there was something to the first kiss

from a boy? I'm thinking you're really trying to find something here that's that's great, that's big strung, that's and I think al Jenevan said maybe. I was like, no, no, no, no, no no, that's just it felt like a year ten student trying to like overanalyze a film for an essay. You know, it's he wrote us that it fits the song. He wasn't trying to hide a hidden agender about loving boys in this

song. It was just he was. It rhymes with joy, it rhymes with joy, and it's yeah, girls think about their first kiss from a boy in not Anymore. But you know, in nineteen ninety two, what when this air? Yeah? Ever since Katie Perry, it's all about kissing girls. What's going on? Yeah? I don't think Michael Jackson spent hours and hours coming up with the lyrics to Happy Birthday Lisa. I'm pretty sure

this was sort of dashed up on the back of the napkin. It felt like it didn't really, but that was the charm to it, because that's what was supposed to have been sure, I guess up or not writing it, but anyway, Yeah, But overall though, I really enjoyed going back and revisiting this episode. There's a lot that goes into the behind the scenes

of it. It's really really interesting. So Matt Granning says that he was working back late at the office one night, which I'm sure I believe that back Granny been the end of one back up the office working the way. But anyway, so he says, and the phone rings, and it's Michael Jackson saying I'd love to be a guest on the show. First of all, I'm not sure Michael Jackson would just call up, but you know,

he says, that's what happened. It makes for a good story, and that he wanted to be a guest and took me about a minute before he actually believed him, which is what they did in the show with Bart refusing to leave Leon until after about a minute or so. Absolutely, but yeah, Michael Jackson calling up in the middle of the night. Can I be speaking Mad Green? I'm a big fan of Simpsons. Yeah, I'm not sure I buy that, but that's the story they're going with. Anyway.

Have you watched that documentary about the making of We Other World. It's on Netflix at the moment. I've seen clips of it. There was like three weeks of negotiations and phone calls and contracts and all this kind of stuff to actually get that going on. I doubt very much that Michael Jackson, as you said, is calling up at the middle of the night give me the number for the Simpsons HQ the Rat's Room. My apologies to anyone who's a

big MJ fan me doing this god awful impersonation. Later on I to do prints, but yeah, it strikes me as very print the legend that Matt Granning would say, first of all, I was working late in the office one night. No, not happening. Secondly, then it's Michael Jackson. He's like, no, it's not happening. But let's cut out all the did asking who his last four dates of the Grammys were the one as well,

So okay, we've got mutually issued distraction. But he did apparently he did say to Matt that or one of the one of the workers that he wants to give bart a number one single. So he wrote, do the Bartman. Really, Michael Jackson won't do the butt man. I didn't know that. Really, I did not know that. Yeah, yep, he did. He is the He is the writer of Everybody you can do the Bartman. That was Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, I'm on that bit from

south Park now, I know we touched him. Children. It's Michael Jackson, a taxon, It's Michael Jackson. If you if you enjoy south Park, check out out going down to south Park podcast and all your good podcast platforms. But apparently his conditions were he couldn't sing. He could do the spoken dialogue, but for some legal reasons, he could do the singing.

But they said when they did the first run through, he did sing the songs and did everything, and they there's a there's a rumor going around that he recorded his versions of Happy Birthday Lisa and all the other songs like Ben when he sings Home, and at the last minute they were replaced with the mj Ones. So we'll never know because they had Kick Lemon as the impersonate answer. But apparently the sound guy has said no, no, that that never happened. I was like, go with that man, Why ruined that

dream? Everybody? Just let's get our story straight. Yeah, yeah, don't don't ruin this legend. You know, just if the legend was that Michael Jackson wasn't allowed to at the last minute, he slipped it in the last second, that make him cool? Are we glad to say that he was he was talented as a musician. Yeah, it's just it's weird. It's weird as it been long enough. Now we can sort of talk about

him as a as a talent. Or Yeah, this is something we were talking about the other day, wasn't it, because we started talking about various canceled individuals. Yeah, and how Yeah, sadly, there are a lot out there who were very, very good at what they did. This is probably why they were able to reach positions of influence or power where either they were able to commit misdeeds or their misdeeds could be swept under the rug. Yeah. I mean a lot of people who are now regarded as monsters being

punished for their crimes were actually pretty good at what they did. Or it's a I think we're talking sations. We were talking about the people who are associated with them. So for example, people saying we can't watch that movie anymore, but what about all the people that were working on that film who put their blood, sweat and tears into their role or behind the camera or whatever it was of writing the movie. Now all their hard work is forgotten

about because of one individual. It's it's a weird thing to it really is. Yeah, I'm not a fan of a cancelation for that. For that reason, It's like, I don't hire them going forward, but let's not cancel everything that they were in previously, because that means everyone else who worked on that project as well vantalized. That's right, yeah, as have we.

I think someone with the magnitude of talent and influence and I guess reach that Michael Jackson had is never going to be holy forgotten and there's always going to be an asterisk next to their name. It's like Thriller, you know, biggest album of the nineteen eighties, Michael Jackson, you know, incredible run of Grammy Wins and all this kind of business. Also accused of Mollestone

Couch. I did love the story of they did the run through at Michael Jackson's manager's house, and so they said the first thing they've been through is to Michael Jackson. The second time they were there, to a lot record or whatever, on the second run through, and his other guy just walks in, Kip Lemon. It's sings of songs and I didn't tell the sims

of stuff that was gonna happen. That was sort of going it is where you sing, and Michael Jackson just sat there silently, and this Kip leman just bought into the room as I was singing the songs, and they're like, this is weird, what's going on here? I would appreciate their heads up on this one, Mike. Apparently Dave caslen Netta was twenty minutes late

to it as well. Oh boy, which doesn't help. No, but yeah, I would have loved if he if he's even if his versions were available somewhere, I'd love to hear him singing the Lissa in It's such a happy song, you know it is. It is very nice. I think when you got to when you've got a sister, I got a sister, you want them to be happy. I do. Having said this, bitches, no, no, my beloved sister Margot, who probably does not listen to this podcast, I missed your birthday, Margo. You missed it.

I did. It was Saturday and I still haven't gotten in touch. I'm sorry, my mom, Are you serious? You've realized you forgotten? So are you just scared to get in touch now? Or what do you do? Is it a case of your trying to think of a present. It's like memento I'm remembering every twenty minutes. That's like call Margot. And I was like, but I've got other stuff to do. I've got to record this podcast. I've got other stuff to do. Well, I know,

as soon as we're done here, I'll be calling Margot. She's just sitting there. Happy birthday, Margo. She's just sit at the kitchen table the party had on Happy Birthday, gotten a bit of charm. My mom came by the other day and said, now, were you sick on the weekend? I said, no, no, lose had COVID. But now i'm more aker because you missed Margot's birthday. You didn't call Margot. I'm like, she must have complained to Margaret. Mary's mum was probably like, how

did you hear? Remember? What did I get you? Yeah? Well you took her presence? No not really, really, you're a shit brother. Get me presents? Really? No? No, we're just more like, have a call, send a card, milestone birthdays cards are insulting to me. I'm not a fan of greeting cards and birthday cards when you're a little kid, so be it. But I don't know, just a waste of money. You can just write that message. Do you kick the cards? Not all? No, I don't know. Just nick Nickola is my

wife for you viewers and listeners, a huge fan of the card. If I don't get her a card, she's really really sad. I've just never cared. I just I just feel I'm spend an extra five bucks on my present. Please, I don't want a card. I wholly understand where you're coming from. I mean, I'm not necessarily someone who's like you forgot my birthday or where's my card? Or where's my friends? This may and this will lead into something I want to talk about in just a sec. But

I do feel bad that I haven't contacted her at the very least. I mean, I think we're we will reach the stage because I mean, I'm the youngest and I'm in my fifty As as long as you feel bad, that's all matters. That is all that about. Now here's what I wanted to talk about with this with this episode. One thing that I didn't really like. I don't like people putting pressure on someone to celebrate their birthday.

I thought the same as well. I get that Lisa has been forgotten time and time again by Bart, but it just felt a bit much of going, well, I'm discerning you now you're no longer my brother. It felt a bit over the I get it, she's eight, I've got I've wrote my notes. I understand she's over dramatic. She's eight years old, so you can understand an eight year old wild feel this way. If an eight year old had their birthday forgotten, you can imagine they would respond this way.

But I didn't feel like you're pushing it. It's like I never got my sister or present. When I was ten. My parents got a present for my sister. I helped to pick it out or whatever, but expecting Bart to get her a present. But I guess she only wanted one, even it was just made, but she just didn't really want He didn't want to give her a present. Yeah, I'd realize that it has to happen for the events of the story to unravel as they do. Unfold as they

do. It's also if they had nothing to do, nothing for it to do. That's right, Yeah, that's right. So for her to be constantly pushing and almost committing this emotional blackmail, when did you shut up? Put a lot of shit going on your Mark Jackson coming to the house. But did margin Homer forget as well? I don't think they did. We never see them give her a present. I'm trying. I'm trying to remember the timeline of this episode, or when is her actual birthday? It's when,

it's not when they it's when Leon shows up. I think, well, it must be when he shows up. It's not the morning they sing the song. That's that's late, isn't it. Yeah, that's right. So the morning of the following day or something. I can't recall. I just know she's sitting at the at the kitchen table crying. My favorite what are you favorite moments in the episode? I think they were more Homer related than anything else. I've only eve betten one here because obviously was just entralled

with the episode. But I just love that. That's one of my favorite gifts of all time. I did enjoy Homer watching funny his own video. Yeah, don't gone Fire, Don't go fire, cracky up at doc fire, look at him like the dog on fire. But that was there was once upon a time when a funny Stone videos was a thing, don't I know it? Yeah it is a still kind of magic because now it's just

vile clips on the internet. But he used to be in Australia. Sit down seven thirty on a Tuesday and you need to watch Australia's funny Stowe video. You will be told Australia, Australia, this is you, this is you. That's right. Yeah, and look at him and he'd be so tough if like your favorite one. It's like they want a car at the end of the year. It's like, hey, kid fell out to fight the stairs. You were a car. We're bringing back. We're bringing back

this season's champions. Remember kid who fell downstairs? Fat guy on waters slag. So I like that very much. I loved I loved home. At the end, Michael Jackson aka Leon has made his impassioned speech about you know who can see who's crazy or not not me. I got this. He's got his very proud that he's not crazy. I love the stamp as well. The revelation of the reveal of Homer's test results and he gets dragged off. There's cavil Man, he wears his pants. Then another great callback to

Bart, isn't it? And the one thing a line that I'd always remember but I've forgotten, was from this episode. Well, I think it's Kennie. Don't be sure your face around here again? Your tool? That was Nelson? Was that Nelson? Yeah? When they realized that MJ Isn't had a different maybe sort of pitch of voice. Okay, I'm pretty sure it was Nelson. I could be wrong. Yeah, yeah, one of the bound here again, your tool? I think it was Kenney, an established

bully at this point. I'm pretty sure the three bullies were Jimbo, Dolph and Nelson. Could be could well be Nelson, Yeah, it could be wrong. What else did you enjoy? Yeah? Yeah, this had the one worries? Shall we do some Well, we've got some stone cutters to mention, Yes we do, indeed, all right, stonecutter time. We do love our Stonecutters, our top tier supporters on Patreon here at four fing a discount. So let's start with the lovely Katy g Troit with her one

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you there eating the bast trivia questions. Mister Dames, it's time for some trivia. What's your first question? Oh, I'm going to go first. You are please recite to me the crusty hotline number one nine zero nine is zero nine? Oh, you clown, mrrect I'm pretending I didn't know, but that's my first question. My first question then, for you is what does the sign at the new Bedlam Mental Asylum say. There's a sign on the wall and they're walking in m It says you have to be You don't

have to be crazy to be committed, but that helps. Yes. In Lisa's poem, what kind of car hit Snowball? Chrysler? It was a Chrysler? I forgot that was in this episode. She lies, lies, she died, No deal? So is it he lied, he lied, she died, she died, she died, she died. You know the answer this one, but read it out for me. The four Dates, Brooke Shields, Diana ros Emmanuel Lewis aka Webster and Bubbles and Bubbles the monkey? Was he just the monkey the chimp? So did he just have a

chimp follow him around? Like mister teeny? What was the deal with Bubbles? I've heard of Bubbles, but I wasn't old enough to sort of live through it. Yeah, I don't know if Bubbles accompanied MJ everywhere, But did you have him out in public? This monkey? I think if you went to Neverland, yeah, you would invary it with. You would invariably meet and probably interact with Bubbles. Just comes across like a guy who had

so much money that he just did not to do with it anymore. And he was just what was his case of he was trying to create a youth that he never got to live. That seemed to be the thing, wasn't it. That seemed to be the armchair psychologist opinion, because he had a shit upbringing. You had all the money in the world, Yeah, but he was You know that they're making this buyer pic about Michael Jackson right now, just called Michael an apparent. Of course it is sly starring like his

nephew or something like that as young Michael. And so when's it says that his whole life? I think it's I think it's his whole life. But it's one of those ones like straight out of Compton or where the Jackson family is Like the executive producer, it's like, Okay, you've got the rights

that we're going to rewrite history of everybody pretty much. Yeah, we've got the rights that we'll give you the rights of the songs, but in return, you're gonna have to whitewash some of this less savory stuff baps or just you'll allude to it, but you know, for the sake of like being upfront and honest. Which is weird because I felt they did the opposite for the Freddie Mercury Behemi Raapsody film. They made it come across so much worse

than what he actually was. Like the band split up and he wouldn't get back together, and they want to do live aid and he did, and I'm thinking, none of this happened. Why do you fabricated such bullshit? Yeah? I don't know. I mean, I watched Bohemian Rhapsody once and I'm like, I've got no desire to ever see this. So many people say to me. I've had people say to me, oh, it's such a great story. It's such a good film. I didn't realize that happened.

I was like, it didn't happen. Though, none of this happened. It's just I understand writer's license, but I don't know, just maybe I watched it going Freddie Mercury comes across a real douchebag. Don't you feel that he came across a bit of a douche threat a good portion of the last half of that movie. I don't really recall that much of it in Unstein, just it was a lot of this huge craze for about six months. Wasn't he won? What did he win the Academy Award for it?

He did? Yeah? I mean I like me Malick as an actor, but it was badwagon. Yeah, b Timezone because we all love queen songs. Correct, Yeah, I'll all follow a question for you, Daly Lama visited when nineteen fifty two one of your questions, correct, were just coming to each other question? Indeed? Indeed? But might I ask you one more? Yeah? What is Leon Kompowski's hometown? Brooklyn Patterson, NW Jewey

Patterson, New Joysey. Alrighty, So the original air date of Stark Graving Dad was September nineteenth, nineteen ninety one, production Code seven F two four, written by al Jeina, Mike Reese and directed by Rich More. The episode we do have the chop ball gag as well, so we do season eighteen reviews and there's no chalk gag and like kind of stuff. But the chop boy gag, I am not a dentist. And the couch gag, the couch tips over backwards, sending the Simpsons family through the wall. That's

just a fairly old school, not elaborate couch gag. It's just like, and something happens. Yeah, yeah, even just the cauch gags like this. Yeah, they take me back because when you do season eighteen, it just doesn't feel the same. Never. The episode kicks off with Lisa waking up Bart, which is what he does at the end of the the episode. She wakes up at six am. Something's happened. Dad died, and

he's actually don't believe he's actually relieved. Believe. Yeah, but it's almost Lisa's birthday and she's worried about becoming double digits and as Bart says, you know, that's when your legs start to go. And Kenny doesn't taste as good anymore, and he's always She says that he's always disappointed her, and he finally gives in and says that he will get her a present. And I do agree. It's just the pressure to be given a present felt un Lisa, Like it did, didn't it. H Yeah, she seems like

someone who should be I don't need physical objects. Make a donation to Peter. Peter feed the starving child. But Marge asked Bart in the kitchen to watch Maggie while she goes and gets some laundry. He calls a crusty hotline. Doesn't pay an attention if you haven't asked your parents. Nerdy, nerdy, but Chirsty forgives you. By the way, how long was the how much for the first minute, and how much read traditional metals? Two dollars

for the first and fifty cents after. I'm pretty sure there's no beating you. No, no, it's photographic memory. But the thing is, it took me back. I've got my notes here. Hot lines take me back. Remember when hot lines for me it was cheats for video games. You call this hot line for five dollars a minute. We can tell you how to enter this combo for Eddie Gordo on Teke and three Did you ever go up any hot lines and things like that? For me? It was phone

sex? Okay, yeah, I still do that. Does phone sex still exist? I'm not sure it does. I guess it must. I'm sure there's like an app for it or something, but I can't imagine there's one nine hundred call me call me now, I always say, and they call me now, we're waiting for your cool. That was probably like some seventy year old. She just got a really hard voice. That's right. Yeah,

what are you wearing? Oh? Hotlines? But you know, Crush just laughs at the entire time, makes his money call back tomorrow, and then Maggie grabs the fan. Not I like podcasts, No, Marge makes the fan. Marge walks in Caesar she ever powered me? Then have an easy shirt for work, and unfortunately they're all pink. And it's also Bart's fault with the lucky red hat. Indeed, quick question, did Homer always have that hairy chest? It was always been curly. Yeah, yeah,

I just never picked up on it. No, this is the first time I thought was just like smooth chest days or in the early days. Anyway, you always had the curly hairs on his chest. Yeah. I don't remember seeing this episode, but that's what he usually looks like anyway. But I love the line here of I'm not popular enough to be different. That's so true in many aspects. When you're growing up, you just I can't be different. Only the cool kids can be quirky. Have you ever worn

a pink shirt? I own several pink shirts, but purple. Do you recall the first time that, I mean, was there ever any sort of trepidation about the first time you put one on? I remember the first time I wore it out to a nightclub, and I was very anxious, but I thought I looked good. But I thought, if someone comments on this, it's going to break me. I'm going to go home straight up. And yes, but straight away. I remember these two girls, Emily I

always say, last Nights is the last name? Emily and Kate? How wish Emily and Kate said, oh, nice shirt. I remember I first thinking are they taking the mickey? It's genuine? And then I realized they weren't. I won't explained how when they ripped it off my buddy. Yeah, but then I realized I know it's okay, and it was because even fifteen years ago, wear a pink shirt was now it's whatever. You wear no shirt to a nightclub, but you feel like you look good, but

you're scared to see what people or other people think. That's cool when you should't. You should feel I you feel comfortable, you should just wear it. It depends on your coloring as well, I mean share the pink. Yeah. All the lovely Louise often told me, it's like, colour is not really you it color? Is that anything that's like anything that's not black pretty much anything outside black, black, gray or blue? No, Because I mean, I'm I am kind of partial to purple. I don't I

think it's I like wearing it not not necessarily an all purple apbit. I'm not prince. That was Michael Jackson. What am I talking about? But we have the Prince a little bit later in the show. We will. Indeed, I recall we were at some shop and I was like, Oh, I really like this Polis shirt. In this column. I don't know how many times I've told you this is not your color. It does not suit your personal coloring, is it? But is it that she doesn't think

you look good in it? Or is it that most people will think her opinion is the only one that matters. Yeah, most people try to look good for my person actio. Yes, that is correct, and it's yourself. Guy, David, you feel you look good in purple? We're damn purple. I will, you'll buy your purple shirt for your birthday. I've got a Wayne's World shirt that's purple, and I've had it since I reckon I was seventeen. Still fits me. It's one of those shirts where I

judge whether I need to lose some weight. I put the shirt on too tight. I need to lose a bit of weight. I've told you we've talked about the aspirational shirt. Yeah, yeah, might fit into mine now, Oh really yeah, that's one. So I put it on a couple of weeks ago. I would pick up Alien. I thought still got it, baby, I'd still got it, and I referred to my gut. No, you're looking great, looking, looking really really good. So yes, So basically, Homer's shirt is now pink. It's all over. March,

It's all over. And then he's revealed here that as Bart's hat, as we said, March is no one's going to notice. I really like the scene the shot here of him walking in all the workers all wearing white and he's wearing the pink and burns. Is not a fan of it at all? Is he some sort of free thinking anarchist. It's one of your boobs from sect to seven g yes, and these color monitors are peete for themselves. Then Lenny gives Homer a pink frosting donut and hang and shit,

and you can imagine this is what it would happen in a factory. Oh yeah, wearing a pink shirt not cool. It doesn't make him a pink donut either, No, no, but he does like it though. He does love pink frost pink. Are you a chocolate donut or a pink donut? I was alway chocolate as a kid. I'm pink all the way now. I think I would be a pink donut. Yeah. Maybe it's the Simpsons influence. I don't know, but I prefer when it comes to sweets,

strawberry pink is over chocolate. Ending out the week for me. Having said that, a combination of the two is very nice. I mean, did you ever I think are American friends called bis quick, but we call it quick oh quick, yeah, yeah, you combine the two flavors, I can bind chocolate and strawberry. Was that amazing? It's pretty damn Did you ever get banana? Bananna was like the one that you go got if if everyone else is running out. This is what I'm about to say.

I'm very partial to banana flavoring. I think you might have said that you're you're the kid that liked the weird things, because no one ate banana. Quick he went to your friend's house. The bananas a banana or banana big m Yeah no, yeah. And I was at the the n QR. I went there with Alliott maybe three days ago. He was in heaven. He walked in, he goes, look at all these lullies, look at all these lolo prices. Well, we would have gone to the same n

QR. It's just around the corner from Dando's pad if you do live around here. They've got three dollar limp bunnies, which are perfect for Easter time. That is correct. Friend of the pot. The other thing they had though, And while I'm trying to be on something in their healthcare, this is too good to pass it because it's not something that you often see in Australia. And even beyond that, it's kind of like a added affordable price. It's a variant of I love when they get the US of variants and

shit, yeah it was banana flavored Twinkies. I still wouldn't eat it, but I can imagine you would have loved it. I bought the box, the whole box. Yeah, yeah, well they went certain an individually. Okay, yeah, you had to get a box of ten. I'm like, you feel like an absolute boss when you just drop the box on the cannon too. You're like, all of them, give it to me, Give it to me, because Nicholas, she loves these protein bars and it

usually cost six dollars each. Right at the supermarket, they've got it for a dollar fifty each. What I bought three boxes of them? What dollar fifty? They all went out date like six months ago, but it's still a dollar fifty. There's I think barely is the difference between the best before date and the used by use by. Don't go past that best before Yeah, that's fine. Just blow it a bit and be fine by stuff. When you chuck with the scraped little white bits off it lou was cleaning out

of her cupboards not long ago. I think I might have told this story, and you know, you double up on various things like oh, I'm out of so and so. Well, oh, wait a minute, there

were actually three bottles way back in the cupboard. We're cleaning out of the cupboard, and there was I think we did like maybe four, four or five big garbage bags of this like this past is to use by date or whatever, and there was some where it's like I think that's the best before I'm trying it out and said, well, man, maybe i'll take that back tonight. It took like a big bag of stuff that had best before or was just past its use by data like oh users the next couple of

days she was looking at me like I was some kind of freak. I had a good memory as you were talking. Then, I've very rarely seen my mum drunk. It was just speaking of things sort of like in the back of a closet. And my mom used to have this is it port like port? Oh yeah, but it was a Geelong Cat's football one right that she got just as a present for I was born, right, someone

said, and I said, when the Cat's win the flag. You can drink this, right, And of course the Gelong Cats in the AFL here we're in the eighty nine, ninety two, ninety four, ninety five Grand Final. I never won them, so it just sat and used to sit on the on the bench at our house for years, decades, right, and I'm never for getting two thousand and seven when the Cats won the Grand

Final and I said, Mom, you can drink that port now. And to see Mum get drunk on his port was just like such a great many was like Mom's finally finally gets to drink his port, Like nineteen years later, she's finally drinking his port. Yeah, dear port, I can't drink it anymore. I got absolutely shit faced on it, like New's Eve around maybe nineteen eighty nine or something, and maybe it was the same same batch. It could Oh I forgot where I was, but it was at like

some event. There were like little shot glasses of port, you know, because you don't have it in big glasses. You have it like it's a minded little bits of it. And I had like maybe six or seven maybe more. Mom had a Sharon size drinking it, and I just got I I ended up ushering in the new year, out in the garden, just puking my guts out. Don't let mom seem pretty much. I have not

drunk port since. Okay, let's go pinky. You don't understand my son just threw his red head and with the white laundry spear me the tire semantics of the Simpson family take him away. You know, mister Burns, his body cavities are to reveal nothing, and we must have actuated him one hundred times. Maybe he's telling the truth. Well, perhaps you toured in Coots

Smith. There's anything to recall. You had a pension for Bill Bedham trousers back in seventy nine, sir, that was my costume from the plant. Production of him has been off for it. No years. Of course, you spirited horn pipe stool the shoes, I recall. But then we get an appearance from doctor Marvin Monroe. Yeah, I forgot that he was in this episode, and he says that he used to take months to find out if someone was insane. But now thanks to what oh I forgot take home

personality test. That's right, I knew it was the test of Yeah, it answered twenty questions and determined how crazy sugar no sugarn someone is. I love it when normally Krusty is the mouthpiece for one of all expressive Yiddish terms, but I like it when someone else gets to throw one in. But then he asked Marge to fill in the forms because she won't do it. Then he asked Lisa, and this is where we get the whole meditation of an eight year old or thoughts of an eight year old. Basically her poem

man it had meditation, I think in ruminations or something terribly pretentious. Liza, you like homework? Could you fill out this form for me? Well, all right, if you listen to the poem I just wrote. Meditations are Turning eight by Lisa Simpson. I had a cat named Snowball. She died. She died. Mama said she was sleeping. She lied, she lied. Why why is my cat dead? Couldn't that Chrysler hit me instead? I had an amster named Snuffy. He died, she lied, she

lied. Hoad is bowling. There, It's just the perfect. Now can you say no deal now without doing the X? No deal? I think I can. People on the Deal and odeal show just love doing it. No deal actually Champion. By the way, this is an audio thing, but we were actually doing the no Deal No Deal. Yeah, so he has Bart here, but it's not sure. It's not that time you let me vote for you. But Homer watches funny Stone videos as Bart's doing it and baby with a nail gun, dog on fire, Dog on fire,

dog on fire. It just says yes to everything here and unfortunately he does not pass the test, and so that's Kaffman. He wets his pants so good. He's then taken to New Bedlam. The mental asylum is you got to say that these days mental asylum, mental hospital, I think mental hospitals, even a mental hospital. Well it is be your mental health. Yeah, that is true, mental health hospital. Maybe. Yeah, it's the rest hope for the emotionally interesting. Apparently that's what the science says. Lovely

ephimis. They show him the ink spots and the boy, the boy. That's actually a great payoff. Later there is a buck, but they stamp his hand. He's insane and whoever has this stamp isn't he? Then he's thrown in with the big white guy who thinks he's a little black guy and cue Michael Jackson. Well, I'm Homo Simpson from the Simpsons. Homer doesn't know who Michael Jackson is, unfortunately, does the Billy Jean dance, does the moonwalk? What's that thing? And you know what, what are you

throwing it for? For wearing one white glove? Kevin and Rahyinstein's and the kids now watching Itchy and Scratchy. It has banged the cat slowly. I've got here. They showed the kids laughing at it. They looked hideous. The animation here was, oh, really terrible. It's worth going back if you can find access to this episode. Check out Spartan Lisa laughing at this

scene. It's really bad. Just looks like a you know when they said in the earlier episodes where they said they they had to delete, although they had to go back and reanimate some episodes. It was Summer Chanted Evening. It felt like the animation from that is really really bad. But Lisa hints he that you know, we're about that present and as barsis, you want that once a year empty gesture, You've got it, And I guess that's what a lot of it is. Isn't it your birthday? Better get you

a present? I guess so, and then we're at the mental health hospital and he introduces Frank the Idiot. He's an idiots advance. It is advant Yeah, that's the term that's sort of fallen out of favor. Hmm yes, and fight by no wow, and the chief who's the chief from the chief is from One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest Vaness. It's nineteen sixty eight.

Nobody else getting in that time. Somebody reached out to me. I think there is another it's not not as obvious Cookoo's Nest reference, but there is someone a little bit later who looks like Jack Nicholson as McMurphy from Really Well, it's just sitting in the hospital. No, no ask. I think Homer's asking how do I get out of it? Yeah? There's one way eating the nurse oh yeah yeah, And he looks a bit like Jack Nichols and that nurse that look too bad. She's probably you have to be

tough to work in the place like that, I'd imagine absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, you get a lot of shit thrown at your own just yeah, literally and metaphoric. But he calls home, what are the other places on the on the speed died? Did you see I did Larry Kings show oprah Rado and then it just said got a field on who and a ski report? Why ski report that? I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure the joke there's somewhere that I've missed. But he's too embarrassed the course against Michael

to call for him. Just crematorium, you'll kill him. We grillham. Hello, who is this? Bert Simpson? Who the hell are you? I'm Michael Jackson, the Michael Jackson. No way, it's true. I'm with your father in a mental institution and he's Elvis with you. He could be. It's a big hospital. That's always been the thing, isn't it. Alvis is still alive. That's sort of that they're still to this day

used two Park and Alvis. They're the two ones. Yeah, I mean, there was that whole thing about Paul McCartney is dead and Elvis is still alive. People actually believe Pau McCartney's dead. That's wild to me. And they believe that Pau mcartney's and an imposta, so weird. He's there, He's simply having a wonderful Christmas time all the time. I'm not a huge fan of that song. Though I like, it just felt very just. You listen to it and you go, Paul was just trying to make money

with this. He's like, I'm gonna write a Christmas ching. You just put that in there to be commercial. Yeah. How many times have I said, though, that's we should do that. We should knuckle down and write a Christmas song and then we're just on Easy Street forever. Yeah, man RYA Kerrey, what a resurger she's had every every December twenty five, Yes, it was December first. She cracks out of the ice, but he wants him to stand the line whilst goes and tells his friends and family.

But he says, you know you better up. And then was he said, you don't et you dad to have a little botomy. You want you dad out of you are sure you're right? Basically, Hom's like he's worried's never gonna get to he reasure its home. I don't worry, you will get out the only one get out. As you said, eating the norse wise guy voice. It's a little wise guy. I mean I think it was wise guy voice. Yeah. Also trying to put that nickelsony and

sneering. Yeah, yeah, Marge shays that I told you one day, he's dad to the crazy house, poor house, crazy house, poor house. He's a shame to admit to to MJ that he is scared. That's a big deal for a guy, even to this day, to admit that they're scared. Oh, very much. Yeah, because we're just we're raised to think you've got to be tough and strong. And I think i've ever I've seen my dad cry once was when a family member passed away. But

did you ever see Bobby cry very even not very often? Once? Yeah, yeah, and that was that was very bracing. Yeah. I do like the idea though, of like Homer admitting to another guy, I'm scared. You know, he obviously is scared. He's ever going to get out and is where Leon slash MJ sings Ben or Homer. I've always liked this. Oh it's just a nice little spin on it. But then pancakes football, This slayed in my household when I was boobies and bubbles. Is going

to be a long night. Then it's time for a therapy session. And we've got Dave here who suffers from agoraphobia, just baby smoking and group therapy as well. It's like, yeah, nineties or magical time. Marge pleads to the doc. You know, don't just don't mention, but there really is a but good lot. Marge is very well dressed. She's picking up when she's pleading her case. That's like she's going to prison. Yeah, prison. But she embraces Homer and he's revealed here there's not a threat to

yourself or others in writing. Please and they give him They're not Insane certificate, a diploma diploma. Yeah, and Michael says that he can come home as work with only there voluntarily because you're sad When in the nineteen seventy nineties Off the Wall record only one or was nominated for one lousy Grammy? That sounds about right? Yeah? Is that true? Shall we look it up? Off the Wall? I feel like Off the Walk won everything. It's just so renowned. But it's got rock with you on it, which is

one of my favorite Michaels. What's the other one? I want to be starting something? Oh that's on Thriller? Or is it on bad lem on the Boogie? That's Off the Wall, right, isn't it? I think so? Or? Yeah? Is that just a Michael song? Or is it a Jackson's Oh you could be right there. Off the Wall. Let's get the track listing for Off the Wall. It's his first album. I remember having it owing it track listing scroll out to the bottom. God, damn was a little bit much. But don't stop to you get enough.

That's what I'm thinking of a dub it. You got rock with you, working day and night. Off the Walk, Girlfriend, She's out of my life. It's falling in love. That's they're the singles that were released from it. Yeah, I'm say my mom, Samakusa. Great record, and then it was Thriller just changed everything, right, Thriller changed a lot of things. Yeah, it was particularly like music videos, didn't they? Oh yeah, absolutely? I mean, wasn't it an event to actually see the

full It was an event to watch the making of Thriller. Really, that's pretty cool. That really spawned MTV, didn't It was a TV a thing before that. MTV was a thing before that. But I think certainly took you took just sort of, yeah, we can make movies out of this now. Yeah. So back home though, so they're all happy at that at the at the mental health hospital. But back home, Lisa is sad she's seeing Happy birthday to herself, Happy birthday to me, Happy birthday,

Happy birthday. Oh I look to me child, happy birthday too. You do feel bad for her that they've forgotten her on her birthday. But there's a lot going on. There is a lot going on. Still, it's a daughter. But then we get they call home, Joe's taxid him and you snuff them. We stuffed them. I feel like you couldn't say we snuff him anymore, could you. I don't think he could right on a

kid show, we snuff them or you snuff them. I think it's a perfectly acceptable alternative to Yeah, maybe all right, But he pretends so. But this was basically Homer calling up home and he threatens Bart but then he pretends he's been nice when the dog's looking at what's going on here, and he says he's bringing Michael Jackson home to make sure there's plenty of cold cuts and beer on ice, But unfortunately is a vegetarian. Are you sure you're

here voluntarily? I'm a vegetarian. I didn't drink. Yes, promises not to tell anybody, but he can't help it, so he just tells you just does he know, and of course it spreads all the way through even to the bulletin on KBBL radio. And they're going to play an extra long version of it in the Gada Divita. Is that so they can go out and see Michael. I think it must be in a garda divida is already long, yes, so extra long version, yes, So that's what they

That's what Bart uses in. Bart seals his soul. By the way, it was in the Garden by Iron Butterfly, great song, yes, who then closes for the first time ever so clear it's a big deal here in spring for the Michael Jackson is coming to town. But then over here is the helicopter over the over the house, and the mayor announces that they're going to announcing the new expressway, the Michael Jackson Expressway. And so this is post bad but pre dangerous dangerous. Was eighties, wasn't it? I thought

it? I thought it went thriller, bad dangerous And what is black and white? Michael Jackson album Black or White? Just have a Look So dangerous? Was ninety one for the same year? Ish? Okay, yeah, all this what when when ninety wanted to come out? I think in twenty sixth November. So this air before Dangerous? Yeah, so it thriller was I was eighty I thought three was eighty okay, so eighty two bad was eighty seven? Yeah? What was the one that had him bo is a

history where he's like a statue on the front. Yeah, and that's like mid nineties. That's the one I remember the most of the kid because all the singles when I was growing up on video hits used to put the album cover next to the song title. I think that was like you and Loon. What was the earth song on that one? Oh yeah, let's remember the time. I think the remember get a better Please God, I haven't thought about that song for so long. Yield the wood, make it a

better pace for you and for me. Great guy, maybe not the best babies that no, apparently not no, but I all think Michael Jackson's going to be coming to Springfield though. Leon gets out of the car and they realized, oh, he's three hundred pounds, he's white, he's just with that flare all things that have been leveled at you'rs truly. Yes. Everyone then leaves and gets a punched. Thank's aroun here again your tool? Yeah, then Lisa asks about the present, and she's afraid to ask. You

should trust your instincts on that one. So she basically is gonna delete him from her life. She's very sad about this. Homer tries washing off the stamp, but it's not coming off, and Michael overhears Lisa writing the letter to Bart. Dear Bart, I am using the stationary Mom and Dad gave me for my birthday to inform you that we are now brother and sister in name only. Perhaps if a professional so advice is I'll give you a hut.

It's a far distant family reunion, but rest assured there will be purely for a show. It's a bit dramatic, but I guess she's eight year old, Yes, eight year old. But he goes and tells Bart, you know, let's go write a song to show that you can. You know when I was your age six girl records. It's like, you're actually fucking crazy. You didn't and basically, what was what is it that makes

him think? No, it's the it's a threat of not So he goes, you could not write a song for your sister, or you could take advantage of potentially having Michael Jackson, and he's like, Michael, it's like you just wanted to believe. It's Colin. When you say things like sometimes you just choose to believe. It's like when you clap your hands to say you believe in fairies to bring tinker Bell back to life. Have you ever done that? I think I did it once. It did it work?

It did on Yeah, it actually did. When you're a kid, though, and you know it's not true. We discussed this in South Park. You know it's not real. But there's still that fear of saying bloody Mary three times in the mirror. Never a sleeper. There's that one kid that's gonna do it. Don't do it times, don't do it again, don't do it. But they he writes the Gasoline Song about Lisa. Her name is Lisa, and so I'm not going to go down. Well, so they go to look at Lisa. She looks sad, she's discussed, she

knows we're looking at her, but she still would have been sad. But then they write the song I really call me crazy, but I really love the draining wheels. Come after your bag about dad boys, you like whatever. I was like, even that is like a jingle like Michael Jackson just had it man. Indeed, and even if he does throwing a yeah to

be commercial, that's fine. Yes, that was his thing. But they enter Lisa's room the following morning and they sing one of my favorite sims of songs of all time, the Happy Birthday Lisa and just I always had this thing when I was a kid, I always said that when my sister gets married, I'm gonna I was gonna sing, Stacey, it's your wed ding. I was gonna like change the words for that. That was always my thing, say to get married, I can do it. Please married.

Yeah, it's such a happy song. Someone's marrying Stacy. Yeah. And you just we you loving good will. I love that song. I know it's deleted and I'm not almost likely groomed children apparently, well that's the that's the belief, but I do, I do love that song. Homer is still sleeping. You know you slipped me with he's not in saying award next

and they thank Michael. This is where his voice changes and he reveals that he's actually on Compowski from Patterson New joy Ysy And to make a tire point, which one of us is crazy me I got this and you're a credit to Dementia. By the way, Yes, the voice is now switched to Hanker's area is a Hank Now Hank is doing There we go and that's the

end of the episode. Yeah, as he's seeing that a list it's And they have a actual version of the song over the closing credits as well, they do, indeed, but probably still sung by what's his name, Kip Lemon? Lemon. Yeah, I love this episode. I'll always love this episode. It's a shame that it's not existing anymore in you know, in streaming or whatever. Understandable. But if you can go get a DVD or access it and find it, find access to it somehow, because it's it's

great. It's a great use of a guest start. So weird, isn't it It is? Indeed, Yeah, I don't think it's anything that anyone was expecting at all, least of all Matt Groening when he was working later at the otherice that night and got a call from Michael Jackson. And Michael Jackson didn't even use his name in the credits. He's referred to as John J. Smith, not the initial J. The word J A Y I wonder if they marketed at the time obviously wasn't there, But did they marked

Michael Jackson's going to be on The Simpsons? But then did did the viewers feel cheated because they didn't? If you were just watching the show and you didn't go we couldn't go online. But if you didn't watch the news and find out that Michael Jackson actually the voice, if they said Michael Jackson's coming to the Simpsons and you saw that as a kid and then you realize it wasn't Michael Jackson, would you have felt cheated? Do you think as a

viewer because he wasn't never listened to the credits. I think the people at Simpson's HQ were probably working over time, certainly the marketing department, to let you know. It's like, yes, it's builders John J. Smith, but we all know who it is, right, We all know that Sam Etick is Dustin Hoffman and we all know that John J. Smith is MJ. Yeah. Look, it is sad that this episode has been quite unquote canceled or memory hold or what have you. It's also sad that we didn't

get the proposed sequel. This would have been awesome. So it was Prince. That's who they had in mind. Lean was going to to return as Prince. What's the actual story of the episode, though, they do have it somewhere listed online, But basically I remember reading going this just feels like a rehash. It felt from what I understand, it seemed kind of strange that Leon came back to Springfield and now he was more like Prince. He

sort of had more of a Prince identity than Michael Jackson identity. Surely everyone remembers him though from the first time, and basically wanted Springfield to sort of loosen up and be love sexy in the Prince day. So, I don't know, this feels pretty thin. Even though it was Conan O'Brien who wrote the script, ConA was it. I think Conan either wrote or worked on it. It's gonna be a propose sequel somewhere on the I produced sequels.

A year after Start Grabbing Dad aired The Writer's Plan, a sequel which Campassi would return, this time claiming to be the pop star Prince. The script was written by freelancers and polished by Conan and O'Brien. That Conan polish, Yeah, According to Mike Reese, it saw Kampaski encouraged the Springfield residents to

loosen up, become more flamboyant, and become more sexually open. Prince agreed to voice Kampowski and sent notes about what his character would wear, but the writers discovered that Prince was referring to a script that had been written by his chauffeur, so he must have rewrote the script. Prince disliked their script and demanded the other one be used, but the writers refused. The script became one of the few unproduced Simpsons scripts. Following Prince's death. In twenty sixteen,

Show and Our Geen posted two screenshots of scenes from the script. There like a museum for Simpson stuff like that. Oh god, it's a bit like the end of Writer the Lost Arty. Just this warehouse full of unproduced golden ear of Simpsons episode. Yeah, absolutely, I am on Prince's side. I'm going to say I wouldn't have brought him to that either. That seems very thin, as you said, and a rehash of theion. Hey he returns as a different but everyone he's just been here. Everyone knows he's

not Michael Jackson. Is it just that everyone going, Oh, just let Leon be Leon. Let's see. I think Leon left Springfield not under a cloud, but I think the residents of Springfield kind of like, ah, we were short changed by this guy. Yeah. Actually, I guess the residents of spring Fold don't know that he wasn't real, do they? Only the Simpsons know that. Oh yeah, and he came clean to the Simpsons family. Oh yeah, good point. I mean, that's that's a whole

new can of worms. The only way our Gene, for us to know this is to release the entire script. We need to see it, both scripts. The only way that we can be sure about this is for Ol Jean to come on four Finger Discount and talk about it exactly right, our mister Gene. Please, mister Jean, come on, come on the show and let's talk about it. Yeah, it want to be great. We want to compare script. I'd love to compare Princes's script, his script.

That's fantastic. Princess who knows Prince better than that guy though all the time? Yeah, pretty bit of an odd not not an odd ball, but I mean he showed upon a new girl, just did his own thing. Man, I love to hear what's what songs? You don't they would have used peple range. People raised the big one, right, I imagine. So yeah, although Prince probably being a pretty savvy businessman, what was it he released around the late eighties with sort of We're not in My name is

Prince? E seventies, wasn't it. Yeah, we're in the Diamond and Pearls. Yeah, we're in Cream and Cream. What a song? So dope. I need to find the the quote because Prince was just full of these great quotes. I need to find Remember when he passed and there now on the radio, I pulled over. I was like, wow, that affected me. The three deaths that affected me, Prince, David Bowie and Robin Williams. I just they stopped me in my tracks. Oh yeah.

And it's always weird when you sort of it happens in the middle of your day, like you don't wake up to that news. Yeah yeah, I mean I think I was on social media and started, well, yeah, Matthew Perry was a recent one, has a big one. Yeah, he's Ledger And that was kind of like here he's Ledger's dead. Sorry, I need to find this quote from Prince, from Prince and him, hang on,

Prince and matt Damon it's the quote, just gream. The headline is Prince had no time for Damien's pedestrians, small talk, good sanctioned his bufoonery. What were they working on together? This was just at a party. Oh okay, here it is. This is a quote from Julius Stiles, who co starred with in the Bourne movies. After The Born Older Maiden came out, there was a premiere in London. Prince actually came to it, then got tickets for the cast to come see him perform. We were summed

into a room to meet him after the show. Matt said, so you live in Minnesota? Are you live in Minnesota? Damon Prince said, I live in my own heart, mad demon. Most people will be just like, yes, I'm talking about Damon Princess live in my own home. Goddamn lord. What does David say back to that? What do you do? Nice neighborhood? Good? What's the weather like? Good? Good school catchment?

But yes, so the unproduced sequel, it's a real shame because yeah, I mean the story is it's kind of bleak if you ask me. But we don't know the full story obviously, the full premise of the episode, but it would have been nice to have had prints on the on the Simpsons at some point, it certainly would have. It'd be nice to have Prince still with us, honest, exactly. Yeah, the man just burned

out rather than faded away. This was also the episode that had the rerun when or when it was had the George Bush saying that it should be more like the Waltons and less like the Simpsons. That's correct. Yeah, So. January thirtieth, nineteen ninety two rerun of the episode featured a brief alternate opening, which was written, I know so it was written in response to him saying that. So. It was written in response to a point made by the then President, George W. Bush Senior, three days earlier.

The show had previously had a few but the president's wife Barbara Bush, when in the October first, nineteen ninety edition of People, she called the Simpsons the dumbest thing she'd ever seen. The writers decided to respond on privately sending a polite letter to Bush in which they posed as Marge Simpson. Bush immediately

sent a reply in which she apologized. Later, on January twenty seventh, nineteen ninety two, George Bush made a speech during his re election campaign, which included the statement We're going to keep it trying to strengthen the American family, make it families a lot more like the Walls, less like the Simpsons. The writers wanted to respond quickly as Barbara Bush had to them. As each episode of The Simpsons takes more than six months to produce, it's difficult

for the show to comment on current events. The writers decided to add a brief response to the next broadcast of The Simpsons, a rerun of Start Grabbing Dad. This episode on January thirtieth, Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart, was called in to record a line. The broadcast included a new tongue in cheek opening. The scene from the episode Simpson and Delilah begins in the

Simpsons living room, where the family is watching Bush's speech. We are going to keep on trying to strengthen the American family, to make American families a lot more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons. Hey, we're just like the Waltons. We're praying for an end of the depression too. And the opening is featured on the season four DVD box set. That's actually pretty clever, yes, well the Simpsons. Someone say they're kind of

clever. Yeah, you should have waited a few years and come like, you know, more like the Waltons, less like the Griffins. Yeah. No, one wants to be like the Griffins. Right, No, they do not know. That's not talking about the Griffins. But this has been our review. I've start roving Dad. We hope you guys enjoyed it.

It was just so much fun to go back and revisit such a classic episode that if I had been doing this review, I wouldn't have because I had to pull out the DVD's and I very rarely pull out the DVDs anymore, which is a shame, because like, oh, let's get it. I love I love just holding it. No, it's a cool box set. Hold up to the camera. There see a slipcase, the cool cover.

When was it originally come out in two thousand and they just come out every year the first or two that this would have been two thousand and three. This one came out like that calls that right all the we love physical media. We do love physical media. Get the booklet here and everything. I just I loved it. I love pulling it, putting the DVD in Alien actually put the David in and he was like, what is this? What

is this? There's the medium Dando says. I love pulling it out and putting it in and putting in the disc into the player, I should say, but yeah, it's just it was just so nice having a menu. I was like, I remember the menus because basically when you were a kid, I would have been what twelve when this one came out, maybe a

bit older, twelve thirteen. I used to put these v he is going to go to sleep, used to listen to the commentaries so quite off, and I wake up the middle of the night and it's just the men you know, you wake up to our menu. Yeah that was your ASMR. Yeah. So like I would wake up and like, these menus are just ingrained in my mind. You know. It was just a flashback. But anyway, start graving, Daddy Clai great episode. The next classic episode we

might review. I'm actually gonna be doing a I'll plug it here. It's gonna be at four thirty in the morning, so you won't be doing this one with me. I can't tell it is with a podcast. I could murder a podcast and do like a true crime podcast over in the UK and we're going to be tackling who shot mister Burns Part one and Part two? Oh okay then yeah, four thirty in the morning. You're available, you can do it. You're right, I'm probably not gonna be we can here

at four thirty, but have fun. And we're thinking of tackling as if it's a true crime a bit of a different spin. Wow, getting innovative. Yeah, I could murder a podcast. So check out those guys as well, and they're going to be coming on here at four figure discount in

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