Bart Gets Hit By A Car (with Jeff Loveness)

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sir, Let's drive on. Were you despicable cool blooded monster? Regardless of what you think, we watched someone help and comfort the dear boy until an own good it arrives. M NA take me, I'm all, that's what happened. What are you looking at me like that? For? You believed his cack and bull story. Four Finger Discount, dude, Welcome to four Finger Discount, the podcast that also comes with a faux pel necklace. Today, we're heading all the way back to season two of The Simpsons to review

episode seven. A one zero Bark gets hit by a car. I am Dando, I am guy, and we are not alone. No, we are not. We are very likely to be joined by a man who continues to pave his way into the top in Hollywood, whether it be writing for Kim or writing Rick and Morty episodes, or you know, just casually writing the scripts for blockbuster Marvel films like ant Men, The Wall, Quantamnia, and the upcoming Avengers, that Kang Dynasty. He's of course, Jeff loved

this. Jeff, thanks for your time. How you doing, Hey, guys doing all right? I am very excited to talk about this episode. I don't think I realized that when I chose it. This is the first Simpsons episode I ever saw, like, this is the for real this is the episode that like broke it open for me. Yeah, I love this one. Well, we're a similar age because you're you've just will happy birthday. By the way, any couple of weeks agothday, Like, oh no,

no, that's wrong. For some reason, the internet has my birthday March. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, because you didn't. You didn't, you didn't mention anything on social media but your birthday. I was like, Kale doesn't celebrate his birthday very much. June sixth man, I'm a June sixth man. Wow, that's that's my mother's and my sister's birthday. Dear Lord, all this d day annivers not the same person. Let us clarify, not the same person. I don't know how it works

in Austria. Yeah, but no, yeah, I'm about thirty three, gonna be thirty four. So like I sort of aged up with the Simpsons. Yeah, it was like the dangerous show when you were a kid, like my I was not allowed watch it. I was like forbidden from watching It's same. So I was all right. But I've told the story plenty of times in our podcast, how I watched Trios of Horror one that's where they have the bad Dreamhouse where they're having the nightmares and it's whatever, and

they go Maggie goes into the kitchen and gets a knife. Well, I proceeded to do the exact same thing. So my mom went, no more Simpsons for you. Oh yeah, maybe your mom was right. That is pretty one to one. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it is. It is corrupt in the youth. So you're similar ash to me. Did you experience the BARTMANI always had already sort of gone by the time you

sort of found The Simpsons. Well, I'm a I'm from like a really really small town in like rural California, So like I didn't really get a lot of like Simpsons pop culture exposure. Like I didn't get to see all the mania and the T shirts and things like that. So I certainly knew who Bart Simpson was, but I didn't really get to see like the popular American like takeover of pop culture. But certainly like he was a popular guy.

He was like a Ninja turtle, you know, he's everywhere. Can you remember when you first saw the Simpsons, Like, what was it just like this mind blowing experience? Yeah, because you said this episode was the

first one you saw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not have the Fox network and we only had three channels, and so like Fox was off the table where The Simpsons came on, but I think CBS, which is another channel, was playing like a rerun or something, and so the first glimpse of it I got, I think was like call of the Simpsons

or whatever one where he's like the Bigfoot guy. I only saw like a couple seconds of like a joke like the newspaper that says like, you know, Bigfoot likes uh whatever his dinner was, and like, and then it turned off because like someone said a bad word, like my mom ended and very religious mother, and so like something something on a front to Christ happened somewhere in those thirty seconds, and I was not allowed to watch it.

But then my neighbor invited me up to his place one day and we were like playing video games or whatever, and then he's like, as if we were about to do like rowin or something. He's like, hey, do you want to watch the Simpsons? And I was shocked, and I was like scared, But then he's like, no, no, no, I think I think you'll like it, and so he pulls out a VHS tape and this episode was the one we watched. I still remember it, like,

and it was like a bomb went off in my head. Like that was the first kind of comedy that I saw that really like resonated on a deep level with me, Like I loved it so much, And this episode has so many great little tricks and jokes and characters, like this is almost like a perfect Simpsons episode. I love it, Jeff. I'm wondering if seeing something like that at such a formative age really sort of lit a bit of a create or ignited a bit of creative spok in you as well.

I mean watching shows like this growing up, I mean, did they give you some innate sense of half stories are told, how they work, how they structured, how jokes work, which one's land, which one's doing. Yeah, no, you're right on the money, like the Simpsons, I mean starting from this episode, but I mean so many of them. I really do think it is this is price in too controversial an opinion, Like it is probably the best American form of comedy to be made. I think

it really is. And of course it's an international show and everything, but like it really summarizes what is beautiful and chaotic and insane about American life, and uh yeah to me, Like I mean obviously, like seasons, you know, like two through whatever wherever you want to cut it off on the on the purest list, but like it really is just the sharpest form of comedy, right and if anyone from Conan, John Schwartzwelder to John Viddy like so yeah, as a young person, like I just soaked it in and

I see even ant Man, I I kind of borrowed. I took inspiration from a Simpsons episode for a big chunk of ant Man and a character. So I mean it's still it pays off. Well, that's rock. It was Frank Grimes. Have you guys, Yeah, have you guys seen at Man? Or am I spoiling it? Yeah? Because spoiler Modoc who is like Corey Stoll from the very first movie, like he's been gone for a long time. I basically I wanted to do a riff on the Frank Grimes

dynamic. He's like, oh, I mean that's such a beautiful episode of like this guy cannot win and this like loser slob has like the perfect life that he wants and nothing goes right for Grimes. And I thought of playing that with like a super villain would be quite funny of like to get into the Marvel Weeds. I guess, like if your Corey Stole, he's been gone since like ant Man one, which was basically like ten years ago, and so in that time, Paul Rudd has you know, become an Avenger.

He's dating Hope Van Dyne, Hank Pim respects him, he's a superhero beloved by the world. He's time travel with Captain America twice. Like to me, that almost felt the equivalent of like Homer showing Grimes his wall and like you've been made, You've been to space, you've never been, never been, like to see my Grammy, all of that stuff. It felt like a fun kind of jealous, arrogant dynamic to play with those two guys.

It's also a really great I guess evolution for Darren Cross as well, because I mean I remember in the first ant Man, I mean I really like Corey Stole as an actor, and you know he sort of plays alpha ish guys. Yeah, but in the ant Man he's like, you know, he's got the power suit on and he's got the power of stance. He's he's someone who's clearly listened to a lot of Tony Robbins, but he just can't quite pull it off. It's like Sam Roqueville and Iron Man too.

He's like, you really want to be Tony Stark, and under different circumstances you'd be the alpha in the room, but you just can't, can't quite pull it off when you're up against you know, DJ or Paul rud or something like that. So yeah, that was that's I'm glad you picked up on that. That was very much the other inspiration point. It was like, look, man, I know you're trying, but uh, yeah,

it's kind of a big head. I'm sorry. Like if like Darth Vader in episode three, you know, falls into that volcano and comes out not wearing the coolest, most badass sci fi suit of all time, but just with a deform head and little baby legs, like to have him be to have that like insecurity, just at the core of Darren Cross the whole movie until it blows up. That was. Yeah, that was a big

part of it. I'm really glad you did it with the mode went that way with the Modoc character as well, because I mean, he's somewhere He's something that you could make really gross or greatisque and the characters inherently is like he's been a If there's any character you can use comedically in Marvel comics, it's always been Modoc and so like, I almost felt it was a disservice

to the character to do like a serious, gritty adaptation of him. Like I'm like, no, no, like that, that's against the spirit of Modoc. He should be ridiculous and he should be like as comic accurate as we can get, which we did pretty well. But yeah, there were some talks about making him. You know, how do we make it real? How do we make like Nope, shut those down, Like no, no, no, no, He's just gotta be a big head, bid

baby legs. Let's sh Yeah, that's it. Don't make him like oh is nanotech used with the wore to no no, no, no, no, no, big head, big head. We're constantly pointing out in this podcast that I want superhero movies to be fun again. It feels like and DC did this slop and it's like the Dark Knight. Everything's dark and gritty and real. It's like I grew up in the nineties with Batman Forever Man,

go back to that. I jumped back into Batman and Robin the other day and like you know, maybe not the best film, but I kind of had that same feeling of like, man, I kind of missed fun Batman. Yeah, miss Batman. That was like pop culture, like the art not art deco, what's the word, Like seventies technicolor, like sixties and seventies. Like, yeah, that Batman stuff is fun. I kind

of like a more playful Batman than just like a perpetually foggy Batman. I love that you chose Frank Grimes as well, because you go back to the nineties. When that episode came out, he was the reviews were scathing. Fans hated that card. And it's funny how it's now evolved tree people who grew up in the nineties like at the time, the older audience at the time hated it. Those who grew up with that episode look back now and go, that's one of the greatest episodes of all time. It's funny how

the opinions just shift over time. I'm praying that happens with quantum Mania. Man. I want history to prove me right. I want history to prove me right. Verymatus in the ground, man, I was about to say, I mean, I was reading a few interviews with you and listening to a few news within we've talked about how Quanta Mania is proving kind of divisive. That's kind of what the best movies are. I mean, you don't want one percent cinemas, you know, a plus cinema schoo or one hundred

percent on Rotten Tomatoes. I mean it is. There will be Blood Fargo, Winds of Desire, A Man of the Wasp, Quantumnia. Yeah, those are kind of British filments that dude needs to redo that list real quick. No, I mean like that, yeah, I mean I oh, this actually relates to this episode two. Yeah, some of those articles that

you were mentioning, like, oh, I felt so betrayed. I felt so like you're doing all these press junk at like zoom interviews, you know, twenty minutes at a time, and like someone asked about the reviews, I'm like, oh, yeah, I was kind of depressing. Oh you know, but you you get over it and you kind of move on. I tossed it away the like the most casual, kind of friendly, you

know, up speak kind of you know, tossed away comment. The next day, it's like a swirling newspaper headline writer depressed and I'm like, oh my god. And it went out to like Variety tweeted it, People Magazine, like all these majors, like literally it was everywhere, and I got all these hundreds of texts, like people asking if I was okay, if

I needed to see someone. So there's this joke in this episode two that like, yeah, I think like Burns is gonna fire fire Homer and Speathers is like, well, do you think that's the best idea, sir? Think of the headlines the smart move by Burns. Ye hooray for Burns. Great decision by Burns. I really did think of like a Simpsons headline when like I said this small thing and then suddenly like the headline is so egregious. So yeah, I don't know, man, I actually like, man,

I kind of loved the movie. You know, things aren't for everybody and all that, but like I wanted to write a yeah, like a fun comic book movie. I wanted to write something that was like colorful and had quirky, goofy gags, like broad jokes, almost like dumb and dumber, and then you had an awesome villain and like you get to have a serious film and a fun villain. Like, yeah, it's kind of been strange to see how this all play out. But man, I don't know.

I had a good time. I liked it. I think a lot of people they get angry and they don't get what they expect, right, it happened, And I was guilty of that. When the second Star Wars film came out, what was it, the last Jedi. She's a lifelong Star Wars fan. I was so angry. The longer it's gone on, I've just gone that wasn't that bad. It's not for me. It doesn't mean it's not good. It's just people just have this sort of ownership of the Marvel universe, like it has to be the way we want and it's

not the way we expect that, then it's not good. Yeah, it's gotten to that place where it's like a professional sports team or something. You know, it's been it's been in the family a bit. It's reaching that Star Trek age where it's been around for like enough for another generation to come into like other things that the previous one didn't. So like, yeah, I mean I grew up reading comic books. I'm a hardcore X Men fan,

so like, I know, you know these are sports fans. Boone at the Yankees, you know, like I think we'll be all burns out. People don't like the Yankees. I did find interesting that you love Blade because my man, he go out he loves Blade as well. Blade is so great that first movie. He no character arc, he just shows up. He's Blade. He kicks ass for about ninety five minutes and it's great. It's not evenutes of Wesley stops sucking up vampires. Lady, miss you

don't miss. I love the two thirds mark of that movie spoiler alerts for Blade. He gets like three triple whammies at once. It's like, hey, man, your mom she's alive. Bad news, your mom's a vampire. Bad news, she's fucking the vampire you hate, like three in a row, and he barely He's like damn. He keeps going back to fights like that would have crushed any other man, but Blade just kind of took it in stride, not Wisley. How much there is there any other Simpsons

inspirations in your scripts particularly obviously can't talk about it. Kan Dynasty that's you know, that's under yeah, But is there going to be some sort of like Simpsons influences in that film as well. Kane Dynasty is heavily influenced by the minorrel episode That's that's one for one. Put a jointed little hat on Jonathan Majens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got He's already practicing the song I m man. I don't know. I mean, the Simpsons is

pretty deep into most of my comedy. I can't think of a specific reference, So I guess, I guess I'll say no, but I'm sure something. I'll pop up camp crops. We'll be in there somewhere, Pepe fear, I don't know. Jumping back to um. Sorry we mentioned mister Burns a little while ago and ub Oh. Yeah. I had a nice bit

of synchronicity this morning watching rewatching Barkeets hit by a car. But before that, I read this really long article in Vanity Fair about the Murdoch family and about about Rupert Murdoch especially, and how you know, the guys what a

something? What is he not? Three hundred like? But they've kept very very quiet the fact that you know, he's just had multiple health issues over the last you know, maybe five or six years, including one where he's like fractured his back because Wendy Dan pushed him into a piano and he's just

you know, I'm like, what the fuck. But then watching this episode and it's like, at least at the very start when mister Burns is behind the wheel, like, oh, this is the kind of mean, threatening, you know, own big wig in Pottersville, mister Burns that we used to know. And then but then later on you've got I'm gonna crush you like this paper cups that I remember being the first Like, that's like the major joke of the episode that made me laugh out loud when I was a

kid. I've always remembered that paper cup joke, and it's it's like the pre mister Burns voice he's doing these earlier seasons. Mister Burns, he's not quite the like excellent kind of guy. I do like that that this is like my favorite of Burns though, where he's he's not quite a super villain. It's just a rich guy, rich old guy just abusing his power. Yeah, I do. I highly prefer like an evil billionaire to a cool billionaire. I never buy the Iron Man Elon Musk. Then give me an

evil Turn of the century billionaire any day. Magnate, like a robber baron. Yeah, and it's funny how they change the character because we're going sort of in chronlogical lorders aft the season seventeen now, and by this point the Burns character is just how would you describing guy? He's just nothing. There's no scariness, there's no evilness to basically a ghost. Yeah, like his

body falls upon any basically, Lenny, there's nothing to it. But this is a really really monumental episode because this was the first appearance for Phil Hartman, so that the first little hunt. I assumed watching this again, I assumed it was the first appearance, but I cut that too. I'm like, oh, and he went on to be such a mainstay Lionel Huts is you know, almost every four episodes or something, I'll pop in. Yeah,

yeah, well Phil Hartman is just incredible. But yeah, but it's almost like a different Huts here, because Huts would going to become sort of like the here's the sleazy lawyer here going to be sort of become the bad lawyer as the show would evolve on like where he was it was, it was still sleazy, but he was just sort of he was just a really bad lawyer wasn't good at his job, you know. Yeah, well that's

interest. That's a nice that's a nice discerning take. You're right. And then he would just slowly get worse and worse and more and more incompetent. Yeah. Is this the first appearance of doctor Nick too. Yeah. And they just go hand in hand as a pet, don't they really? When you think about it, it's the way you see it with a lot of

Simpsons characters, though. I mean, they'll start them in a relatively grounded fashion, and I was like, well, we can turn this style just a little bit, you know, make him not so much a sleazy ambulance shase or it's just a guy like the Willie Lowman of lawyers. It was like, then you can have this one. It's half full. Well one, I just drank out of a toilet. It'll be back, which my favorite huts exchange of all time. I love the small modulations that happen to

characters. I'm right there with you, Like watching older episodes with like Skinner and all of his Vietnam flashbacks, like all of his Vietnam like he's an unstable man, like he's ready to snap at any seconds, and then buy about season what seven, we forget about the Vietnam War and it never comes up again. Well in season nine is where they have the fact that he wasn't even the guy. He wasn't even Yeah, that's what's your thoughts on

episodes like that where they really changed the cannon of a character. You know, it's tough, it's I kind of do look at it the same way as comic books, like every once in a while there's gonna be some weird left turns, Like in the nineties they pulled that with Spider Man. It's like, oh no, no, no, the character you've known for about

fifty years. I he was a clone. There's another guy, like, he's not real, there's another like you know, a good twist can be good, but then eventually it all kind of ends up resetting and in your mind, like do you even believe that episode or do you kind of I don't know. I like the Skinner we got like I like, so, I don't know. I think I mean the Simpsons. How many episodes are

there even like a couple of thousand, I think seven fifties one. I just recently Pops, which is still a ship light of episodes it feels like a thousand. I think it's okay to kind of play fast and loose because it's almost like Star Trek. You know, these are not sequential episodes outside of a couple of them that have like a two parter. They're kind of like, you know, in one episode spos got like a brother, then

you never hear about them again, you know. Or it's like or they'll they'll do an episode like there's always an old girl friend of Bones that shows up. It's like, how many old girlfriends do this guy have? Like I think with American TV especially and the older style of it before it became like this bingeable, streamable thing. You know, this might be the only episode someone sees or the first episode someone sees, so you can kind of

like play fast and loose to the continuity. Well you're a knicks Men man as well, and continuity and that sort of in that saga is just nomany idea. How many time displace kids cyclops as they're all over the place. So the end you just got a sort of roll to sign and just like looks it's the mutants there this week they're doing this. You know, just enjoy it. You just kind of I think that's fun with that style. I mean same with like Star Wars, like reading all those novels in the

nineties or two thousand, like at that expanded universe kind of thing. It's probably not quote Cannon, but like who cares like it's it's like a take it as like a one off. Yeah. Nothing infuriates me more than people who would just hell bent on continuity to the to the point where they're like, well, you know it's James Bond is you know, he's played by different actors, but they're all the same James Bond. They're just switching up

the double saven designation to different people. Like not the fuck they are. Man's just understand what that means. It's all literally the same being. Or I think, yeah, James Bond is just a code name that they give to give to all these different guys. So you know, I mean, so wait, they all have to be very very horny British men. Is that the only pretty much the casting to type. I just assume he was just the same guy, and you know, it's like playing basketwise out of

face. That's what it is. Describe the struggle trying to write, for example, quantumentia. Right, you want to write a film that can be appreciated and enjoyed as just the film in itself, but you got to also incorporate all this other stuff that's come before and what's going to be coming after. Describe how hard it is this sort of incorporate all that that doesn't mess with a film being able to be enjoyed as a standalone. Yeah, yeah, I know, it is tough, Like especially this movie. It's like

the third movie. It also tailbacks tailbacks that's not a word, tailgates off of a like Avengers End Game, which Aunt ma'am is a big part of. And yeah, it's got to kind of introduce a character, a villain that will be paying off, you know, however he pays off down the road. It was definitely tricky and then like there's small things you might forget. It's like, oh, yeah, Darren Cross, like Corey Stall in our test audiences, people didn't even recognize him obviously, he's a big fat

head. So like we had to really remind people a few ways in the movie, like a flashback and have Cassie mentioned it to kind of you know, perk people up again. Same with like Michelle Peiffer. There's a lot of backstory there, so we got a pipe that like, oh, yeah, she was in the quantum realm for a while, you got to do a flashback there. But then you also just have to let the movie, you know, USh through itself in I don't know, like I kind of

use my parents as the as the as the rubric. They're not really like Marvel fans or you know, they didn't see the other ant Man movies, and they seem to more or less get what was going on. So I don't know, you just try to you try to shoehorn in the exposition you can get away with, and then kind of trust the audience for the rest of it. Well, if someone's discussed racing in their podcast, how it feels like Star Wars as a Lawsons, it's starting to feel like homework.

Yeah, that's I was trying in that way of like there was a blessing in this movie. How like so much it just took place in the quantum realm, so you don't really have to worry about like, you know, oh it is Falcon gonna show up as she Hulk? Why don't they call she Hulk? Like you got to have a little bit more of an isolated experience and then bring in original character. There's like side side characters or the Jello man with holes and all that. Like, yeah, I kind of

I did want. I tried to intentionally write this almost like a nineties adventure movie, Like I want it to feel like something you could have seen like Robin Williams in in like nineteen ninety four or something. Yeah, Hook, Jumanji, that kind of stuff or um. So, I don't know. Yeah, I think there is a danger of this stuff becoming too homeworky or too interconnected. So I don't know. I just tried to make it a fun Paul Rudd adventure kind of road trip comedy. What's Superhero would you love

to write a film for? Where they said, it's just a standalone nothing else has to be involved. It's just a movie about this this character. Who would you love to write a film about? You know? My favorite Marvel character his Cyclops. I think I love Cyclops. He's such a loser. I love he's just such like he's got the world on his shoulders. His power's broken. Uh, nobody likes him. He's like that. He's like the shift manager at a restaurant. And you know, like it's really

up to him to keep things moving. But big whole monitor energy. Yeah yeah, yeah, teaching and teach you didn't give us any homework. Well, but at the same time, like he's got to be that way because if he slips up, he's gonna kill everybody he looks at. Like, so it's I like the allegory of his powers too. I think there's a really the broken sun quality he has with Xavier and Magneto, and then like that translates to his powers and that lack of security. And then honestly like

the way he built himself up to become a hall monitor. Like you're saying, like if you track his growth, it's like you're kind of proud of him for doing the Like, oh wow, good for you man, Like you were like a monster and you're like an eighty pound monster who who only knew how to kill people and then you work your way up to be the leader. I'm like that's pretty good man, Good for you. I'd do

one of him, And hey, man, I love Superman. It's like, hey, if you know Superman of her rolls around, why not? But uh, I'd go Cyclops for now. Patty get through the uh, the self doubt. Luck from example, you knew what you wanted right with Modoc, and they're coming with you an oldest nash More at this, I really want to like this. How do you get to the point where you go the compromise, where you go all right, I know what this needs to be. How do you sort of convince an executive this is what it

needs to be? Oh um, oh man, there's I'm I'm not the guy to ask on this. There's always a lot of that going on. Marvel's pretty collaborative. And then like you know, certainly I'm not the final word like Peyton read the director would have kind of the you know, the final stamp, but I don't know. You try to acknowledge also, like

what's the note behind the note or what are they trying to say? So like with Modoc, like I mentioned earlier, some test screenings didn't quite know what was going on because they just didn't either they hadn't seen the first ant Man movie or they had forgotten about him. And the CGI was pretty rough. You know, we were showing test screenings six months ago, so like, you know, yeah, clearly there's a disconnect there, and what's going on, and so that note came through and I'm like, okay, that

is actually quite fair. I don't think it means we should cut him. I think it means we need to clarify him. And so like you kind of just try to like keep your energy and your point of view as solid as you can, while also opening up the collaboration of like, yeah, clearly something here's not working, Like here's my solution, let me drive it

through. But I do feel unless it's a do or die situation where you got to make enemies and burn bridges, you're all kind of the same team, so you got to kind of choose your battles and sometimes you're wrong, yeah, and sometimes like you also got to see that you're wrong. So like, I don't know, I don't know if I have a good answer,

because I got to work on my confidence as well. But usually when you feel it and you've got that rhythm of how the joke should play out, there's something to what you're feeling, and so try to find what they're feeling too, and kind of get the harmonious chord between you if you can. Speaking of confidence, and maybe this is just my sort of right as

neurosis spring to the full. But I mean I'm speaking as a cowdcarrying member of Generation Exit, knowing you're going to be rotting the same Michelle Fife, knowing she's going to be reading a script with your name on it. Yeah, are you ever thinking while you're running it? God, I hope she likes this though. God, I hope she thinks I'm cool something old. You know, if Michael Douglas is rating it, Oh yeah, of course,

Bull Rodo, Evangeline Lily or who ever. But now all of them, like Michelle Phifer especially, And that was a big part of me probably getting the job for this movie or talking about it in the early days, because I almost forgot Michelle Phifer was in these I'm like, oh yeah, like she's yeah, they savor in the second one, and you know, then at the end of the movie, you don't really get to explore her

too much, which makes sense for the second movie. But that was a big part of what Peyton and I talked about, is like, we've got one of the biggest movie stars of all time, Like, let's let's give her the complicated father backstory that is usually in most of these sci fi things like there's all. I mean, every other superhero movie is a father son

kind of story that's like a broken past at the father. It's a pretty easy inversion to make it a mother daughter's story and that makes it slightly fresh. Sure, And you get to have Mischelle Peiffer kind of be the Obi

One or the Gandolf kind of leading you through the quantum realm. So yeah, that was a big And then you get to explore like her kind of traumatic history and you get to you get to give her the Xavier Magneto relationship with Kane, like she's you know, at the end of the day, these guys saved each other and they lived together for years and years, and like there is a bond between them. So I don't know, Like I mean, I just wanted to lay her up as much as possible, and

she's a She nailed it. I love her scenes with Jonathan as well, just really great performances. Do you want your comedy with the actor in mind or do you want it with the charactor in mind? A little bit of both, you know. It depends. Like with Bill Murray, like we got him in the movie kind of later in the process that character had been

written and you know, you have other people in mind. Maybe, But then once Bill Murray kind of got circled, Yeah, you certainly you certainly go back, and I was like, yeah, I'll take another spin at that. Now that I know it's Bill Murray, you can kind of write it closer to the bone of what you know, what his vibe is. But I think, um, you know, with comedy it can be very helpful, like if you it depends on what you're making and your relationships are.

But like I love to write for like actor friends of mine or comedy friends of mine because you know, they're rhythms, they can hit. Certainly that's a you know that that's a pro. At the same time, I don't know, I think the world can just benefit from just fresh out of the gate characters. And like you know, sometimes when you write to type, it just all sounds like the same thing, Like everyone's just writing the

same kind of quippy TV sitcom dialogue. So I don't know. I try to write original, but if I've got like a north Star in my head, I'll use that voice. It kind of feels like that's where The Simpsons evolved to, where it was like we write joke and then assign it to a character where back in the Glory is these earlier episodes that we're talking about now, it's like swat Spotter, he wrote this episode. He's one of the most iconic Simpsons writers of all time. You can tell when you're watching

an episode like this is a Swat Spotter episode. You can just tell from the comedy. Who are some of your inspire when it comes to comedy rodding. Did you have any growing up? Yeah? Yeah, I mean sports Fielder is one of them. And it was funny how like I didn't you know, I didn't know his name when I was a kid, But then you start to see that name in the credits of like your favorite episodes,

and then I know what you're saying about. Like you can tell a sports Felder episode almost right out the gate if it's got some like old timey Americana and it's got like nineteen baseball or like factory workers or like the docs and some sort of like he's he's always got like old timey things in their pioneers and like cowboys. Um he I And then so like as I grew up, then I noticed all his stamps on the episodes, and I just I love the guy and I think he's like the sharpest writer to do it.

Conan O'Brien more so for his late night show like but that was a huge deal to me growing up, especially his sketch comedy instincts that they had on the show. Um, there's writers named Brian Stack and Brian McCann who were like his kind of too go to comedy guys there. I'd say they were huge influences on me and just they're kind of a very funny but also very dumb and smart comedy at the same time in that American variety show format.

I don't know. I mean there's plenty, like when I was Garth Marenghi's Dark Place. Yeah, that show that was like again, that was like another bomb going off in my head. I think I saw it freshman year of college and like he, I mean, that's a big one. Obviously arrested development. I remember that one being kind of a big water shed came

out a few years ago now, but that was a big one. It's just you start to notice or even like my dad watching Mash and Frasier, like I ought to see some older kind of classic American comedies through my dad and like I love the way. I mean, you know, everyone seen Mash I suppose, but like it is a pretty ingenious mix of comedy and drama and tragedy, like it really and when it works, it works really well in a way that doesn't pull its punches. And then Frasier, h

Frasier is like perfectly. It's like a finely tuned watch, Like you can set your watch to a Frasier episode, And I mean that with like a compliment, like it's so well structured, it's so well done. It's elegant. David Hyde Pierson here, you know, he nails every line, every joke. It's like so well done. And in my Rick and Morty days, one of my final episodes was like mister Nimbus, like this ocean man

thing. I basically just stole the structure from a Frasier like dinner party episode and un that on Rick and Morty, which is you know, I don't think people would compare Rick and Morty to Frasier as far as like sensibilities, but it really was like the bones of comedy writing you can really find in those classic good sitcoms. I'm glad you brought up Rick and Morty. Jack

I didn't want to ask about it. I mean, it seems almost lazy at this point to make the draw the comparisons between Rick and Morty and the MCU. But I mean three credits make a trend as far as I'm concerning Bouldron, Jessica Gao and yourself. I mean, I wonder if could tell us a bit about of course it's a it's a Justin Royland show, but it's also got Dan Harmon's fingerprints on it as well. I wonder if you could tell us a bit about the Harmon school of storytelling so to speak.

Harmon's a master at it. Yeah, he I mean, I don't think I've met a guy who knows structure better than he does. He has that story circle, and uh, you know, there's a variety. I mean, at the end of the day, it is just like a trick or it's a diagram to kind of help you get your beats down. But I mean, damned if there'sn't a better one. You know, like he's got a pretty good one and it really works. That guy has like a like a super computer brain at hacking things. And I don't think there was a

script that he didn't touch. That wasn't made better by it. You know, he's Harmon's the real deal as far as comedy writers go. He's really good and so um sorry, like and we could break when he was on fire, well he would like I think we broke the vat of acid episode in like a day, like an afternoon we went to rock right that.

But like, there's a joy and a comedy way, or there's misery, but like, I love the joy of a comedy writer's room because once you get that electricity and everyone's kind of pitching around at the same time, it's just like it's the most fun place to be. And I would listen to interviews with cohnan talking about the Simpsons writer's room, and I remember it was

like a source of almost like pride for me. I've been working for a long time and things weren't you know, there's always projects that go and die and whatever. But then I got Rick and Morty and then I started to really be friends with like all those great writers in the room. And I heard Conan give that interview and I was like, oh, I know what

he's talking about. Oh I know what he's talking about, And like I felt like a writer in that moment is that the thing you missed the most going from writing you a script for a film with your credit to being in the writer's room where you're just bantering and bouncing off of each other. Do I miss being in a small airless with twelve very depressed men in the mid

to late now? I that is a thing like I miss having, especially when it's going well, like just yeah, being able to to vibe with a lot of funny people and then yeah yeah, and the trust fall quality of knowing, like, you know what, I'm gonna write this script. I think it's pretty good. If it's not good, they'll tell me. And if it's not good, they will, you know, make it better

with a joke. And that's the way I believe the old Simpsons writing room worked, like just machine gun jokes at this thing, no ego, let's make this thing as good as we can. That's it can be hard to achieve if your room is not all on the same page, or if there is ego, or if there is like you know, territorial stuff or whatever. But that room was pretty great, and so we got to that level of like, hey, this is really fun. Here's my shot at it.

Let's all make it better together. That is a great thing. However, I think I do if I had to choose, I don't know.

I think I like writing something on my own because like, at the same time, there's gonna be so many cooks in this kitchen anyways, Like you might as well just be the guy to kind of drive the boat through it, because yeah, at the end of the day, there are If there are thirteen other people trying to pitch a joke, it takes a lot longer to get that joke, and it might end up being the first joke he wrote. To begin with. You mentioned the word trust just before. It

must just be incredible from your perspective. Way you took a chance in yourself when you left Kimmel, right, and that was a big deal, you know, and it must be some self doubt moments threat there. But it's paid off now to the point where you know, Disney, Marvel, they've trusted you to write the upcoming a vengeance film. That's a that's huge man. Thank you. Oh no, that's that's really nice for you to say. I've been thinking about that. It's like been us Kimmel was definitely I

was like, so nervous, and that was my first job. I should not be a writer, you know, it made like comedy videos on YouTube, and then like I got a job on a TV show from like a YouTube video I made. Like it all was like a fluke, you know. It was like a you know, like a I don't know what to even call it luck. And so I always had that kind of fear and that small town kid fear in me of like, I don't know is gonna work. I got to stay here, and Kimmel was a great job.

I was there for many years. But yeah, there was this feeling. I think I've said this before somewhere else. I had a feeling, you know, we were doing Thanksgiving jokes. It was Thanksgiving, You're writing jokes for the monologue, and I wrote some and something just felt weird about it. And I went back through my emails and I had written like the exact same joke like three years earlier, and it was this feeling of like, ah, okay, it might be time to go, like it might be

time to do something new. But I was really nervous. I was like terrified of it. And then at Rick and Morty I did the kind of the same thing. I'd written six episodes five at the time, I guess, and I had that same feeling of like, and it's hard to explain because it is like one of the most popular shows. You know, it's

kind of that it's Apex or whatever. But I just had that same feeling of like, I think I've done all I can do here, Like I think it's good to go out on mister Nimbus, like that's a good one. And then I came back to help kind of write the an Alley but like it, um, I don't know. I'm trying to trust that feeling a little bit more. I'm sure it's gonna blow up in my face one

of these days. But like that has been if you're a writer or whatever, like hold on to that itch, like that itch man, I Sometimes you don't want it to be there, but sometimes it is there and you got to just kind of go with it. But I don't know, it could be a big mistake. We'll see, we'll see yet. How many billions of dollars an endgame? Makoy? Sorry, how much? Oh? Oh? Oh, well, that's it's like they're handing you the cays to the Lamborghinian's, Like, oh, my god, I get to drive a

Lamb Ginnie. It's like, holy shit, what if I crashed this Lamb beginning? Yea, yeah, I'm on my learner's permit. I've got to have five get far with me? Well, I mean I'm looking at it of like, man, this is nuts, Like it feels like it's like a crazy thing, and so I'm cheating it of like I'm trying to take ego out of it. I'm trying to take like even yeah, like fan reactions or internet stuff. It's like, yeah, that's you know, Yeah,

you're playing the major leagues. People are gonna boo you from the audience, you know, Like that's that's literally how it's supposed to go. And so I think I've it took a bit, like it took a bit of acclimatization because I grew up on the internet, you know, But now I

am pretty excited and like we're kind of in the process. I can't really say anything, you know, but like I get to write like the biggest movie possible that I can swing at, with as many characters as I want, with like really great actors, and like it's ah, hey, I mean like it quite literally is a dream job and so hey, we'll see. It's like it's that when I put that in perspective, it's like, oh yeah, I can take a couple mean tweets at me like and like

it doesn't go my way. I got out of Montgomery Creek, California, and it does go my way. Hey we got another Avengers movie. Great? Did did I tell you to not worry about the response online? The SHD? No, they got enough stuff going on. You know, they got they got Disney Black Site Prisons to clean up. I don't know, no, I mean they they I think they're also big enough to where like, you know what, this is how it goes. We just got to

be above it. It's almost like I almost had the Catholic Church. It's not right, but like it's almost like hey, like what are you gonna do? Like, yeah, we're here, like you know, try to kind of get to the sea level we're at and then you can you can go with it, which I think is actually kind of healthier. It's very Buddhist. It's like engaging in that stuff is beneath you, like that you are wasting your time if you engage in that all day, So like you

gotta kind of rise above. I suppose believe do what you think is best and just just paw through. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind at the end of the day. I mean, you're the guy with his name on the credits of a Marvel movie as opposed to some guy who's got ten k views on YouTube. Well he'll get there, yeah, I mean, I Hey, I'm more paut of that little scrap ten years ago. I was exactly that, so I I sympathize, Jeff. I'd like to ask about

multiverses for a moment, and why they're so big right now. I mean, I have a theory that you know, we're fucking up this reality pretty bad. Like it's good to know they might be some other ones out they end up doing okay. But um yeah, between the mcube everything everywhere at once, Morty, I mean, we seem to be really big on other dimensions and other other realities. I think you're right on the money with your

theory. I think you're right on the money. I'd also say there's maybe a more callous theory about like there's a lot of IP to exploit and like, hey, Michael Keaton was a good batman, right, Let's use him, Like, hey, like, Hey, Tobey Maguire is great, let's bring him in. It's nostalgia as well. Yeah, I think I think we're reaching kind of then idea of nostalgia IP mining, and seems like we

got to do something else there. We're running out of you know, we were running out of Ninja turtles to However, there the good side of that is, like it really does I mean anything from like the Robert Frost poem, you know, like the Road Not Taken or the Garden of Forking Paths, like Borhe's short story Sliding Doors with Gwyneth Paltrow, Like the good parts of a multiverse are based on choice and regret and things you could have been

or didn't do. It's a wonderful life, you know. And any of these movies Christmas Carol, you know, like any of these movies are almost multi verses in themselves, and it just presents you know, choice and humanity and it's certainly everywhere, everything, everywhere, all at once. Did that beautifully with you know, um, both of those characters kind of meeting in different realities Cloud Atlas. No, No, that's not that's not a multiverse. That's more of a time thing. But Uh, I don't know.

Yeah, there's like a there's a there's a there's a callous way of looking at it, and then there's almost like a beautiful way that it really opens up a lot of potentials with storylines. So I don't know, I'm trying to look at the good side. I think I think there's plenty of good stuff in it. Let's get to bakets hit by a car. Getting back to it. So it was on the first episodes you saw. It's definitely an episode you can appreciate as a kid, but once you get now I'm

for so long, I'm talking about ten years watching as an adult. I think it's a credit to John swatswatter right because he manages to evoke such emotion in that final scene with Marge and Homer from a story that started about one minute prior to that. Yeah, that was dark. I actually was like, oh my god, Homer, what are you say? But it just came out, It just comes out of nowhere, that that little thread.

It felt that to me felt like oh man. In TV writer lingo, it's like, oh man, I think we're about two minutes short on this episode. We got to add something we did have the same thing on a Rick and Morty episode. The vat of acid came in like four minutes short, and so our director just made a little beautiful short film in the middle of it and put it in there, and that's the best part of the

episode. So I feel like maybe they added that in or something. It was like a little they need an extra little you know, sea salt to kind of land the plane. That's not a phrase, but no, like it's got super child friendly jokes, and then it's got clever like newspaper jokes, and it's got ambulance chase your jokes, you know it's and it's got this like, yeah, broken marital story at the very end, and the price of telling the truth. It's a I guess my favorite joke is probably

the paper cup and then the mister Burns newspaper headline. But I remember as a kid I loved and I thought it was like revolutionary. I've never seen the two kind of like the Raschaman, the two different versions of the story. Yeah, that was I'm old. Yes, that that line. I think that was the line that like drove the nail into my brain of like take me, I'm old. That is like a perfect thing. The perfect thing about that too, is that that Burns is this story together clearly hasn't

runned by Smiths. Because he runs you just throw Smiths under the bush. The Orphanage donate toys. Yeah, but it's just a great sort of a little insight into just the exploitation of the court system where they're both doing the wrong thing. It's just which one is the jew we're going to believe.

Oh No, I've actually been impressed with The Simpsons going back to those older episodes, like they were kind of ahead of the game and seeing that like the American legal and police systems are really bad, and like from day one, like Wigham is just completely incompetent. Everything's going wrong with the cops. Never help anybody in that show. They're completely off the ball. The billionaires

evil doesn't care about safety regulations. The whole town lives next to like an open reactor and a trash fire, you know, like corporate environmentalism is yeah, is ravaging the place. It's it's like a surprisingly politically progressive show, even for like nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, and it's a kind of thing where we've discussed this with a previous guest but I feel like it introduced politics to a whole generation of viewers. All these kids were just like, what's

politics? And you watch the Simpsons like, Oh, I think they sort of instilled the idea of politics in your mind from a young age. It's actually kind of depressing when you watch Simpsons episodes now and like there's so much more invested in their community than we are now. It's like, would you, at the drop of a hat, would you go down to the like the city hall or the church to have like a town meeting that you get

riled about. Like every other Simpsons episode they're showing up for like PTA meetings, they're out of you know, they're out of they're at the mayor's talk back, they're at at the church, like it's uh, they're pretty cypically minded in that show in a way that I'm envious of. Well, it came along at a really interesting time in the American society though, because I mean, we tend to think of the nineteen seventies is really sort of cynical

and grimy era. Then of course Reagan comes along at the start of the eighties. It's a new don't you day in America? And I think by the tail end of the eighties, people are starting to think, wait a minute, I think we might have got sold a bill of goods here. I think they're richer getting richer, and we're getting fucked. So in the Simpsons sort of walks the line of both of those. It's like, hey, things are prosperos, things are pretty good, but I think all our

institutions might be kind of corrupted out for themselves. Yeah, yeah, that's a great take. It's that post Soviet Union in nineties America of like, Okay, the war is over, what are we now without an enemy? And turns it out not much, turns out like unless we got another you know one, thank God for nine to eleven. Dear God, thank you. We need it. We need it. Yeah, Like, but I

think that time period, I'm kind of working on something about that. I think that Clinton era, you know, when I was a kid too, Like when the Monica Lewinsky scandal, at least in America, you know, we're so puritanical, like that shut down the country, Like that was such a like big deal and uh, you know, clearly not a good thing, but also it's like it was that enough to shut down the world but like that seems to be like the innocence lost of the nineties is like when

uh, when the Bill Clinton thing. At least for me, I remember being like seven or eight and being like, wait, I think America's got problems. We got a well that It's My favorite line in this episode is Maud to the in saying I'd like you to forgive me for the right thing. Yeah, that's great. Oh yeah, and the public schools. I love that about the Simpsons. They've they've been at head of the curve and like, our schools are terrible. They are not funded. They have to

beg for scraps. Like oh that was another thing. I'm like from day one, they've had America on a social level pretty well, pretty well tracked any more. Brain Busters. Now, we have a little game we'd have to play here at four Finger Discount, Jeff, where it's called the Blockbuster Brainbuster, where we go back to the visual air date of this episode and I pitched I tell a guy the date, and you've got to try and guess what were the top three films at the US box office for that day

for that week. I give you a clue for each I'll give you guys, the clues and let's see if you can come up with it. Right. So the number one movie, the clue is Wet, the clue for number two is Party Pooper, and the clue for number three is Quantumnia. Yeah, okay, Wet. I'm going to say, like Free Willie. No. Well, if we're talking ninety one, yeah, so we're talking a bit of bleed over from nineteen ninety. So what was big at the

end of nineteen ninety January ten ninety one is when it ends flash. Now that's eighties, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's Home Alone with the Wet Bandits. It's Home Alone with the Wet Bandits. Yes, oh, oh, okay, I went too far into the water. They're pretty loose to Clusia, I must have been when he went. I'm like I was thinking base againstinct. Number Number two is a Schwartznaker film. What's it called? Or what was the hint? Oh? The hint was party Pooper.

Don't be a party pooper, Kindergarten cup well done? Yes, Number two with Kindergarten cop and number three think of what was Quantumnia in a series brilogy? Yeah? Third one? Oh, it's a beauty. Oh, it's an epic of the heart. It's a you know, to treat us on modern day America, what do we say? Uh, a classica have its to It's god Father three, right, it's the god Father three? Correct, guy? Yes? Oh god Oh I didn't get that god Father three.

Oh yeah. Yeah, so that is like some mania. Yeah, the guy he initially misunderstood but now lovingly embraced third installation of a classic saga. Yes, I will also missed a couple of hit. It also stars

a young teenage daughter. Yeah, it's got all of it. Yeah, you do you honestly, I feel like, and we've discussed this as well, where you know, a film that was poorly received in the nineties, it's almost like we're always looking back down and going you know, at the time I didn't like it, but on palm reflection, it was actually pretty great. It's happening more and more often now. Oh yeah, yeah,

I uh, it's actually kind of interesting. Like any I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that Kuantamania is like Dylan going electric or anything, but like, um yeah, like also, people are idiots and people are just like no one knows what's going on. We just need some sense of certainty and he needs someone to feel like they know what they're talking about. But yeah, half these movie reviews don't mean anything and they don't believe it and

they don't buy it. So like, I don't know, But I also love movie critics, Like I grew up with Roger Ebert, the American film critic, and like I would race home to watch his show, and like good film critics. I mean, yeah, they really open up the world

of movies to you. But at the same time, hey, who cares, Like just watch it, see if you like it or not, watch it with your cousins, see if you laughs, or like the likes the holes guy, Like I think, especially these types of movies, Like I wrote it, I wrote it for like again from that super small town. We didn't even have a movie theater. Like we would drive to church on the weekends, and if it was like a good weekend, we could go see a movie after church. And it was always just a dumb movie that

no one really wanted to see. It's like we all compromised on it, you know, or like whenever is that action comedy whatever? But there was a joy to that and I love that feeling of like watching a movie with your cousins or your brother and like kind of a movie you all agreed on.

And I kind of wanted to write Quantumania like that. I'm like, I want to write one of those like fun movies you can go see with like your high school friends or your middle school friends, and like it doesn't have to be you know, it doesn't have to be Andre rube Lev or something or Solaris, but like you can make like a fun cheeseburger. I think that's the that's the route. That's the best type of comic book movie. I think, persolutely. Look some of my fondest movie owing memories,

you know, from in my twenties or my lighteens or whatever. I mean, tang in Cash. It's a piece of shit. But I saw it with a group of friends at the cinema, you know, one night, and I don't know, we maybe had a burea or two beforehand, but yeah, we just had an absolute blast with it. I went to revisit a little while ago. I was like, du was all that good? But you know, my memories of it and that of that particular screen, you're like, oh man, that's such a blast with it. History will

redeem Quantumania, Yes, I will stick. No, But I remember I was once again my second nine to eleven Records of the Night. I was like right after the nine to eleven and like the you know, the whole world is, you know, confused and full of tragedy. And we went to go see the movie rat Race, and I've never laughed. Loved that movie when I was growing up, loved It's so good. It's so stupid, it's so fun. Yeah. Each character is goofy and big and broad.

I yeah, no, I still. I mean that is probably punch for punch, the most emotion I've had in a movie theater, just uproariously laughing at Race, like that's the way to do it. Rights is one of those movies where I didn't expect. I don't really know what I was going into, and then it just it's just so fun. There's so many stars in that movie just catches you off. God, that's my favorite type of Yeah. I mean, they just stacked that. It's so good.

Yeah. Do you think the response to quantum Mania has it did an impact in any way your work with the upcoming Avengers film, Like when it comes to writing. Did it change your mindset of a few things but you sort of second guest certain elements. Yeah, I mean yes and no, like without getting into too many details, Like we got basically the idea and it's not going to affect all too much. But I mean, of course, if you're a writer, you want to see how your work is received.

You want to see what people like, what they didn't get, what you could do better. That's all you know. Writing is eternal homework and research, and especially if you're neurotic, like you said, I'm the same way, like you want to read everything and learn everything. You want everyone to love view. But no, I think we had a pretty good idea going in and I don't think it's going to deviate too much. I don't know,

these things can change all the time. But I was talking with Peyton about this the other day, Like if quantum Mania had been like a nightmare and we all hated each other and you know, it was some you know, disaster from the beginning, then maybe I would feel bad about it. But no, I actually had a great time work with good people and like we still like the movie, and so like, I don't know, I think other people got to catch up. I kind of dig it. I

love that Modoca death scene. That's like my favorite thing I've ever written. Like, I love that he's such a loser and he's so he's so needy and he needs to be appreciated by these people and they just have to lie to him and let him on the Avengers and I don't know, like I think there's stuff in that movie to love. So it didn't Effectivengers too much, but you know, you try to just be a better writer as you go forward. Well, Disney now owned the Simpsons, Would you have a

one to Penna Simpsons episode? Oh? Man, I would love to. I actually did write at Jimmy Kimmel. We had a little Simpsons crossover and so I did. I got I mean, it's just a small, little like sketch, but I got to write Homer and I cried in my car like he um. I did not it like hit me on a religious level,

like in my in my heart like it. I did not expect it, Like you know, you you go and you hear the recording and it's you know, it's damn castle Amita sane lines that you wrote that maybe more so than anyone I've ever written for, Like that got me and like I didn't expect it. I cried in my car, like I was like shaking. So man, I would love to write a full Simpsons episode that Uh who would I love? I love Skinner and Moe, I love a Pooh. I don't know what I would do, um man off to think about

it, I mean Burns. I would would be like a story that incorporates the town, like a monorail kind of episode, or do you think it more more more? Sort of a tone down. I love a town episode. I also love a good Lisa episode when they get those in there, those can be so emotional, like which I didn't appreciate as a kid. I didn't love the lasers get older. I'm a father of a daughter. I'm just like, oh my god, they said, you said it's so emotional. When you're a kid, it's all about Homer and Bart, and

then when you grow up it's about Lisa and Marge. And you're like, oh, man, did you realize Lisa? Yeah, yeah yeah. If I or you turn into Marge too, your life is left you you Marge. I would man if I could crack a Marge Lisa episode those are rare, that'd be fun. Um, I don't know. I mean that's the beauty of the show. It's almost like Marvel comics, like there are so many good characters. All you have to do is like hit it and show each one. Like I love Lenny, like my favorite. I love just

the running narrative of Lenny. If like you can't quite pin down is he a war hero? He lives in a in a house where nothing else is there. But then I'm going these eyes, Yeah, I love Lenny. Like that's a perfect character. He's only spoke, you know, he speaks maybe ten lines, maybe in an episode in a season. He's just perfect. Yeah. Lenny's just one of those characters where you think, who which, who would want to who would you want to be your friend? From

Springfield? So many people just say Lenny, Oh yeah, of course he's Oh and there's that one episode I forget where it was from. It it was like mid mid you know, the teens or something. But like Homer uses a dumb lie to get out and go bowling. He's like, oh, yeah, something's wrong with Lenny. We gotta go not Lenny, like not Lenny. To my knowledge, they've never even met each other. It's so good. I mean, it's a beautiful show. I would love to

write for it. I'm thinking if you could do like a Margin Lisa road trip story in the vein of like Lady Bird, you know that movie Lady Visiting Colleges or something. I think that would be fantastic. Oh yeah, that is really good. Yeah, a good Margin Lisa episode that that would tug at the heart strings. And yet I also came back around on Bart because obviously you can love Bart as a kid, but like the sportsfielder, Bart Simpson is like just a little rascal, like scamp. He's got like

very like turn of the century American nannerisms, Art Brothers stuff. Yeah, I really like him. Yeah yeah. The original air day of Barkeets Hit by a Car was January tenth, nineteen ninety one. It was written by John Swatswelder and directed by Mark Kirkland. The chopball gag I will not sell school property, and the cash gag sees Homer bump everybody off the couch. Basically the episode kicks off of BArch just skateboarding down the street, and I

thought it was interesting. It had the caption the title of the episode, and he ever does that with this episode and the Telltale Head where he steals the head of Jebedi Stach Jebedi Springfield in the in the first season, they never do this. I don't know. Would you do you think? Do you think it adds to the episode? Do you think they did as just like a visual gag of like here's the title and then immediately bargets but that could actually we can have actually seen it that way. Yeah, I was

wondering about that. Did they Did they not do that for like season one episodes at all? Just the Telltale Head that's the only one. Yeah, I am. I think the boy's hurt. Oh for crying out loud. Just give him a nicola. Let's get going. I think we should call an ambulance, sir dude. I just love the attitude mister Burns, just like move on in the way that switches with the story later on. But then we get the Escalator to Heaven. This is the phil Hoptman's actually doing

the voice of the escalator man here. And then we get a first little insight here in Snowball Snowball one with it with the tire marks over and things like that. What do you think of the devil and the Devil's great. Oh what I noticed it was like the hieronymous Bosh painting. Yes, well, and that actually impressed me because I'm like, wait, this is like nineteen ninety one, this is kind of pre internet. No one has any idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had to actually know what that

was to reference it. And then like I love the thing about the Simpsons and also like X Men especially or comic books, they will reference thing that if you're you're they will reference things that as a child you don't know what they are, but you know it's something. It's like it's a bigger mystery out there. Like someone will quote I was such an idiot. There's a line that Magnetos said in this X Men cartoon. I thought it was just

a Magneto quote. It turns out of Shakespeare like in the year later. I'm like, oh, okay, it's like hyperlinks before the Internet was invented, and mean, you know, and if you're lucky, you sort of you read an article, you get clued in by someone who's a bit more savy than it was, like, you know, the referencing Citizen Kane with that angle there, like which it is in kine, but then you discover

a citizen gain and you will expand it just a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fantastic when I throw in Easter eggs before even the tone of Easter eggs, I think, and I think it's almost like a almost like a like a duty or a responsibility. Like I felt that way

of like because I was that kid. So it's like in whatever you would call these quote unquote like lower forms of art or pop art or whatever you want to call it, Like, it is really cool when they can kind of crack the window a little bit and give you, if you're a kid, kind of a window into maybe a deeper literature, you know whatever, Like it shows you a world beyond just the comic book that you got. I think that's one of the best uses of them. It's thought that took

it upon themselves. It's our job to educate the youth of America on pop culture references that they're not gonna understand anywhere else. Yeah, and then even not Yeah, it's like but also it's like also it can just work as a cool, groovy image, you know, Like it doesn't it's making a point of it. It just has it there in the Tapestry of America. It's cool. It's funny because the visual actually looks like it's almost the design of trou McClure the way they drew it. So we'll not it's about to

be true mccluaugh. He wasn't even a part Simpson, who the hell are you? Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm not that all, and you've earned eternal damn nation for your lifetime of evil deeds. Bart spitting off the escalator just clenched it. Hey, I'm innocent, man, innocent. Everybody's innocent. Okay, let's just pull up your file here because okay, it seems to be a mistake. According to this, you're not due to arrive here until the next time the Yankees win the pennant. That's nearly a

century from now. Boys, my face, Red Bart bart Um say, is there anything I can do to avoid coming back here? Oh? Sure, yeah, but now you wouldn't like it. Okay, see you later then goodbye, Bart. Remember why jee steel and listen to heavy Man on me. It was that Yester. So we got the hommer at the power plant here, and he's saying, you know, if I wasn't spineless. I'd marchinton burns his office. Did you have a moment like that, Jeff, where You're like, damn it, this joke is good. I'm not

gonna let him take it out. I'm gonna march in there. But you just you just didn't quite have the guss to do it, Like did you have have a joke? Oh, yeah, every day. Yeah, I'm very I'm very good at being a spineless worm goes along with it. No, I think that was actually good training at like the I was at the Onion for a bit and then Jimmy Kimmel to where like are you know, you want to fight for the stuff that you like and you want to make

it good and you want to get it all the way there. But even if you lose, it's like, all right, we'll do another show tomorrow, like you gotta it. Almost There is that thing with a writer, like you can get a little precious about your work, like I found, especially with like comedy writer friends and myself, if you have like one pilot that you've written and that's the one you're putting all your chips on, you

get really defensive about it. Or if like someone gives you notes and is well, like yeah, but you know, man, it's a show about roommates. Maybe you can add a little bit, well, but are you're talking about like you get a little defensive if you've just got your one little baby, whereas it's good to kind of diversify. And that that was good at Kimmel, Like it allowed me to realize that, like, maybe the right form of this joke isn't there yet, Maybe there's another permutation of the

joke, Maybe there's another version of it, like modocs. Certainly that was yeah, that's a good example of it of like stand up for the idea, but then also realize that, like, hey, something isn't quite translating here and like okay, how do we how do we bridge that gap? So that was maybe like the third or fourth narrative attempt at getting that character right. Um So, I don't know. I've certainly buried my pride a lot and taking the lumps, but I don't know. You gotta choose your

battles. I think that's just the maturity that comes with experience, really, isn't it. I don't know, or just dead in the soul? Are you losing? What's the point yeah, now we'll get a real doctor's opinion. But no, your son is a very sick boy. Just look at the X rays. You see that duck spot there we blush Welsh. Oh no, and this smige here that looks like my fingerprint. No, that's trauma. Am I gonna die? Homer? No, of course you're not

going to tie. Everything's fine. Well, I ever played baseball again, but I played baseball this morning. That's right. He did. Excuse me, but doctor Hibbert has been our family physician for years and he thought bar was fine. No, doctor Hibbert Jenkins medical too. Without due respect, Missus Simpson, you're not a doctor. The boy's not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. The only person in this room who even comes close is this man. Stop you're embassing me. Doctor. Are you sure there isn't

a little soft tissue trauma in the facial area? Oh yeah, tons of it. Just so well, doctor Nick making his first appearance here. As I said, like doctor Nick, I never really put him with one on hospital. They're just other perfect pair, aren't they working in Unison? Yeah? Yeah, I always associated with him like he had a TV show, right, like hi, doctor Nick, Like he's usually on the able access on Feels Unlock one of those true McClure shows once you know, Hi,

I'm Trum McClure. One of those kind of shows facial if he's an infamocial guy inmcial. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. But what are your thoughts on the Doctor Nick character? Oh? Uh, you know that's when I don't have too many thoughts about it. I don't know, like he's he was never never really my favorite. There's a few side characters that I, oh, I know, I don't really care for doctor Nick,

and I don't really care for Professor Frank. He never really does it, Okay, yeah, yeah, for some reason, I know they're doing like a nutty professor like old like Jerry Lewis thing, but like, yeah, Frank never does it for me, and neither does Nick. Really like. I guess I like Nick a little bit better because he can have more medical jokes or things like that. But I will say I think Frank is my least favorite character. The God's last favorite character is Grandskapa. Willie just does

not like him. Oh interesting and fair enough, fair enough. I think he's got he's got some good stuff in there, but I can see what you're saying. Yeah, right in here, mister Simpson, and he calls. Della calls, Oh, calls, Yes, the Supreme Court called again. They need your help on some freedom thing. Tell them to sit tight. I'll get back to them this way. Mister Simpson, you sure have cut some education. Mister Hutch, Yes, Harvard, Yale, MT.

Oxford, the saber on the lubra. Oh oh well, mister Simpson. The state bar forbids me from promising you a big cash settlement. But just between you and me, I promise you a big cash settlement. My fee is fifty percent. You'll be getting more than just a lawyer, mister Simpson. You'll also be getting this exquisite faux pearl necklace, a ninety nine dollars value, as our gift to you. Well, I don't know, you and I might have different ideas about just how big a big cash gentleman is

a million dollars? Who I can't correct it a million bucks? Hey, Okay, I just loved the Della the secretary and the way huts is just sort of he convinces these people to walk through the door that he's a legitimate lawyer, when really he's not good at all. I mean that's a lovely little shout out as well. If we're talking little easter eggs, I mean the fact that she's named Della. I mean Perry Mason, the famous TV lawyer. His secretary slash girl Friday was was dellast really so it's um,

Oh didn't know that. I've never seen Perry Mason. I gotta get on that. And the voice of her was, um, lunch lady Doris, Doris Graw. I can see that. Yeah, I'm ying in those huts. Who are your favorite voices on The Simpsons, Jeff Oh, I mean I think mister Burns is fantastic mo of course, like so Azaria Shearer,

Um Herbapple, I always liked Herbapple. I think she's got a great voice and always Bart the lover before choosing this episode, I mean Mark, I mean again, yeah, I guess he can I say, Homer like the the like the sophistication, the delivery. I mean, how yea seven hundred and fifty episodes each one he knocks it out of the park like it is. Oh. And also Lisa, I mean like she's Lisa's got a lot of emotion in her voice and a lot a lot of range, and like

the way Yard Lisa does that, I'm choosing pretty pretty obvious ones. Oh yeah, you know, I don't. I guess Frank comic book guy doesn't quite do it for him. He's fine, but like, I don't really care. H I love the smaller side characters, like the sarcastic business guy who's always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's my guys. My man's character must be the ladies. I don't know. I mean, there's just so many. It really is like a beautiful show. I liked um.

John Lovitts is like the ater director of the Streetcar named Desire episode well and clip plus Professor Lombardo Yeah yeah, Jacques like the French Ball apparently he came back and a yeah. And there's a lot of outrage because speaking of Cannon earlier that there's there's a clip show where Marge tells Homer about that story because it's like a love story clip show, right, I go back to

that story and Homer's annoyed by it. But in this one, Homer didn't know about and everyone's like, oh, but she's already revealed it, No, twenty seven years ago, how does he not know it now? And everyone's like, it's like, just relax, It's just she had. Also, Homer has been to space and then the Barbershope in the eighties. Apparently he also went to high school in the nineteen seventies and the nineteen nineties.

Yeah, the show has a lot of ret kinning. So take off that genius at work T shirt, sir, and just you know, enjoy the show. Springfield Municiable Court is now in session. Judge Malton Presiety Urana. My client has instructed me to remind the court how rich an important he is, that he is not like other men. I should be able to run over as many kids as I want. Mister Burns, I must warn you that if you continue to disrupt the court in this way, I will have

to site you for contempt. You well, no, I guess I wouldn't calling Barthami J. Simpson to the stand. Oh please, hello, Bart, Now you know the difference between telling the truth and telling a lie, don't your son? Maybe? Well, you wouldn't lie to the United States, would you? Bart? Oh? No, good, proceed, mister Huts. I should be able to run over as many kids as I want. Thought about that joke that got me It's like, that's how he starts

the that's how Court starts. Yeah, it just lives in this bubble away and rules to stand applot to me. Also, like Burns mentions Ogre a lot. He always mentions you don't want to be an He did in this episode, and I think there's another one where he doesn't, like, I'm not an Ogre. I just want to bash your bones from to make my

super or something like that. I really enjoyed the animation of both the stories really, in particular bats one were talking about the luxury car of death that's coming to getting But you can just tell that the director and the animals just

had an absolute ball making those stories. Yeah, that's always fun even Yeah, like the Rick and Morty side of it, like you have kind of like your your house style of like, hey, you know how the episode looks, but then every once in a while you kind of get you get to go into like a magical realism or a fantasy or something like that, and you get to kind of play around Simpson's probably, I mean Probace started

that. I don't know, maybe maybe Looney Tunes did back in the day, but like anytime they do a little like Homer dream sequence or You're inside of a brain or something like. That's where some of the best jokes come from. I didn't enjoy as well when Burns was yelling at lays or. By the way, this is the first appearance also of the blue Head Lawyer. Oh, I do like that guy. He's always fun. Yea. Yeah. Now he's based on Roy Kone or something roy kone. Yeah,

it's um an evil, evil person. He was lawyer for Senator Joe McCarthy back during the Blacklist era. Oh wow, I think he might have been the mentor of this guy Roger Stone, who's like an advisor to Nixon through Trump. Yeah, basically just yeah, he's Satan essentially, But yeah, the blue Head lawyers are much nicer those. I'm a big fan of Blue Heir lawyer guy. Yeah, he's always good. Now, I know you're shot on time and Jeff, so we'll just we'll just get towards the end

here. So basically, yeah, so the Marge, she speaks the truth. I did love when they're in mister Burns's mansion, this little little peep holes through through the painting things like that. But I'm just the way to sort of shuns about. But this released the hounds, like he knows he's

one. Great. That was a great shot that that. I don't know why it reminded me of a hitchcock, but just that really sort of high angle shot of them running across the lawn, you know, with the with the with the hound chasing, felt like something out of north By Northwest or whatever. Something I really dog just pride of that though. It was burns Max's offer of half a mill. He's crossed out a mill, rots half a mill, and then puts a little smiley face. He's been your wife

for ten years, You've had three children together. It's time to be honest with her. I'm not sure I love you anymore, but don't worry. I'll never let on. I'll still do all the bed stuff. Maybe you won't be so bad. Oh my lord, Well, I don't want to wait another minute to find out whether you love me anymore. I think that you should look me in the eyes and find out. No, Homer, look at me, all right, all right, look at her if it'll shut her up, start with the feet still angry. Good, good,

Homer, good, This is a tough neat refreshment. Good old trustworthy beer. My love for you will never die. All right, all right, gotta look at the wife straight in the eyes and tell her, oh my kidding, I love you more than ever. I love you, Choder to scare you like that, baby, Okay, everybody for the age fifteen minutes, one dirt off on every picture, one podcast in my domestic beer only

I ain't no sharing more. Yeah. So the ending here, it was just like we said, it just seemed to just come out of nowhere, this little element. Didn't it of just that? Like you said, it felt like they sort of run out of time. Maybe, but I find it I find it hard to believe that Schwartzwater would have found it hard to fill out twenty two minutes. It feels like I feel like he wanted this in there. But maybe do you think it maybe need a little bit more

time to have more effect. I still think it had enough emotion. But oh, I think it certainly had emotion. You know, I don't know any far be it from me to credit John schwartz Felds like the best Simpsons writer there ever was. You know, It's like, I'm not the episode of I wrote the Slut Dragons, episode of Rick and Morty. I don't know, Penny, but like it. I guess if I'm looking at as like a TV writer perspective, it's like, yeah, Homer's is the main

character. It's like he hasn't had much of an arc yet, So maybe you need to have a bit of a consequence and then you need to like you need him in Marche to have like a reconciliation over their differing views in the episode of like she wants to tell the truth, he'd going down the sleazy wrote route. You need to have almost like the outcome of that. It does feel a little heavy or a little like the same time, if he's just disappointed, you only have about two episodes, two minutes to go.

So maybe he did go in strong because they have such a great episode. They had the you know, Barton Hell and all that stuff. It's like there's a lot of episode, a lot of dream sequences, there's a lot of stuff. And so maybe that he made the choice to hit him hard at the end and then you can have kind of a big emotion and then a big reconciliation. Whereas maybe in another episode that would have happened around you know, the midpoint, that would have been apt too that Homer is

disappointed in margin doesn't know if he loves it or not. But this had to come in with like two minutes to spare. That's say I've been closing on a line like well, not closing on it, but having a line with two minutes ago and saying I'm not sure I love you anymore. It's like you've got to pull some heavy gymnastics to pull that one back there. Yeah, that's pretty heavy, man. I cut March from Slack. Great directing though of just the way he's sort of looking up the body off from

feet, takes a drink and then goes to a face. But um, and and it's beautiful when Homer says no, like he's very like he's a sad puppy. It's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now one final question here is what we ask everybody. So it's nineteen ninety eight, you've been given the task. You're putting together a Friday night Simpsons marathon on Fox, consisting of five episodes. What are you choosing? Oh, it's nineteen ninety eight. I kind of forget which one. So that's season one

to nine? Okay, uh, Flaming Mose Monorail the Bobo episode Dolphins. No, that's later, Dolphins, isn't nine is? I love the Dolphins Treehouse of Horrors. That's one of the greatst sort of like post Golden Ero ones, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, I would do the Cane and Kodos, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole Treehouse. Then that's a great one. You gotta have a chance of horror in the marathon. I feel like, yeah, oh wonderful. Yeah, of course. And then I would do

like, um, Hank Scorpio, like the you Only Move twice. Maybe that that's pretty pretty safe choice another another episode, though at the time people didn't like it, but now Hank Scorpion is one of the most beloved characters of all time and EPs in one episode it was the ant man in the waist corn of many of its time. Yes, oh, and Bart the Lover. I would I would put that in there. That's a great well, Jeff, Thank you so much for your time, mate. It's been

an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. And all the best with Avengers, the Kane Dynasty. Oh yeah, no, guys, just so much fun. Oh yeah, maybe I'll see you again down the road. That would be fantastic, Let's make that happen. Jeers Man, what a dude. Hey, I think it's like to say that he is an U BFF and expect him on many more full think it just shows moving forward now, top dude. Yeah, really funny, very very clearly, very smart

man. Yeah, absolutely no were We were stoked to have him on board and big time, Jeff, you'd be more than well, hey, my favorite. Now before we go, mister Davis, I feel like maybe just sort of skim through the episodes a little key moments just to sort of give the listeners what they want, because we didn't sort of cover everything of the episode, like what were your favorites in particular? We sort of discussed that. But yeah, well, look, of course it's great to hear Phil

Hartman. Yeah, in various form. Just yeah, that's such such it's such a big moment for the show. The fact that Phil's now joined. He changed the show, changed the show. Yeah. As I said during the episode, during the fourth fingered Disco of episode that we've just recorded, it's the early phase of the early incarnation of Lionel hearts. He's not bumbling just yet. He's not quite he hasn't read guils a shyster. He's more just yea, yeah, he's just he's just a shyster. He's just an

ambulance chaser. He's literally chasing an ambulance at some stay, which I think is fantastic. I did also love it when he's like hears and goes, oh, just missed. And of course, you know, Hartman just knew exactly the right amount of must to put onlines like that. That's so great. Um, I might be with Jeff and the doctor Nick is kind of one note, and you know, sometimes you don't mind hearing that one particular note, but if you hear it over and over and over again, yeah,

gets a bit. So. I did like though, when you see his office and he's got his various qualifications on the world. At least one of them says smooth operator. I think another one might say IBA like female body inspector. He's just got really shit qualification. Yeah, but we talked a bit about the ending, and yeah, it really is an emotional hairpin turn that I don't know the show absolutely nowhere. Yeah, the show is well crafted and you know, goodhearted enough to sort of pull out of.

But yeah, I mean, if that was much, don't He's something like dwelling on for why Yeah. Yeah. What I thought was interesting was, you know, we're in season seventeen now, and there's so many times lately where it feels like we're gonna give an emotional ending and it's comes out of nowhere, like even the one was it last week they see home a Run where where Lisa says, you know what, Dad, you tried your best to change this town and I respect you for it, and it's like he

didn't do anything like it just feels like they're sort of throwing these little emotional beats in at the end at the end of the episode, like the last minute or so. Here though I didn't realize that they've been doing it since season two. It works here now it seems very heavy. But put yourself in Homer's shoes, right, you're about to win five hundred grand, but like a million dollar case, and your wife as much as your lover, you know she's doing the right thing, but she's just cost you half a

million dollars. Like you can understand why he is, and he doesn't. He's never angry at her. That's what I liked about. He never yells at her. Never puts it down. Even at the dinner, he sort of says things along the lines of, you know, he's having his inner monologue. He's just depressed. Yeah, he's just depressed. He's just like, oh no, I'm never gonna look at you the same way. Like it's not like he's angry yet her, He's just he's just he's he doesn't

know how to feel anymore. Yeah, And I don't think he's even disappointed in Marge. I think he's just kind of disappointed it like he had he's had a little glimpse or little life that you know, he's always wanted, and not just for him, for his family as well. It was just then reach and and it's gone. And it's not gone for bad reasons or a neptitude or anything like that. Like I said, I mean my favorite

liners that like you for to give me for doing the right thing. Yeah, it's not exactly a million bucks, but you know that'll keep your warm at not knowing that you know, lived honorably. I really enjoyed Marge swearing under Earth. She sounded like she was teching out awfully. Seriously. I think as the episode progressed, as Jeff was mentioning John Swatswater when he writes

Bart, he writes, like this little rascal. So at the start he was just kind of like, oh, be fine, But the more it went on, he was just like he was enjoying the playing the role of the sick key year and at the start at tension in that way because at the start he is more concerned. He's like, I was playing baseball this morning or Whatever's like, I'm okay, And then as you know, the Hut's influence gets sort of like takes over. It is just like can you

roll the eyes in the back of your head? Oh yeah, yeah, like this the kids are pro like Bart was in Bart was enjoying it. Yeah, well you see it later in like the Timo tool. Thankful. Yes. Anyway, overall, this is just, yeah, one of those episodes that I find out a lot with the season two episodes that I go back and I don't revisit them anywhere near enough. But you said, if you said to me, I do want to go watch Bart gets hit by a car, be like, yeah, I guess. And I watched this

and I'm like, oh god, this is just great. Like there's just so many classics in this year. Yeah, for mine, it hasn't quite hit top speed or peak performance yet. I don't think it really does that until season three. But it's really getting there and you can really tell. It's just it's still working yourself out. But like compared to season seventeen episode,

Sorry Jeff, I'm doing a frank forever. But thank you guys for listening to our chat with with Jeff Lovesness discussing the episode Bart gets hit by a car. I hope you guys enjoyed it. I meant I'm just speaking to Jeff. I just that was that. That was great. I'd love to have him, Jeff, you're listening, Like guy said, we'd love to have you back on the show whenever you would want to, because that was absolute delighted. It's like I trying to say to him, you know,

you're just you know, from a small town. You're right for Kim. Now you're writing an Avengers movie. That's like, does it get any bigger than writing an Avengers movie? In twenty twenty three, not really knew when it comes to writing blockbuster films, what is it? What would be a bigger blockbuster franchise film than an Avengers movie? I can't think of anything right now. I don't think I'd ever be able to sort of, I'd

be too scared. Like imagine that the nervousness that must come with having so much at your fingertips, that that everything's writing on what you Obviously there's going to be changes here and there, but it's writing on the idea and that you're putting out there, you know. Like I said, I mean, you're taking the Lamborghini a for a spin and you really want to let it

rip, but you're also terrified you might put a dint in it. Yeah, but it's also having knowing that they've got the faith in you that must be in the feeling you must feel knowing that Marvel Studios are putting there and they're pushing the chips and on on Jeff lpness. It's like, yeah, but you have a chat to the guy and you can understand why. I think I think Jeff is good in a room, shall we? Yeah? But I think you can also back it up. Yeah, one hundred percent,

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