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Yeah. Have to. Don't you mean get to, Brian?

I mean it is a pleasure, but it's one of those things where I I mean we we kind of feel obligated because people are A, they're hitting us up about it, but also you know, it's topical. They're they're

Yeah. It's it's an impressive run this this last this last month.

This one's local to us in a way. The crater is from Petluma, which is our area.

Right. Kane Parsons is from Petaluma. He went to school in Novado.

Yeah, we gotta we gotta represent hometown heroes.

The youngest fucking director to have like a number one movie out. And the highest grossing A twenty four release ever.

Are you serious?

It's incredible.

In the store.

What did you find?

The place. I found a place. Look, I know how this sounds, but you gotta understand it's massive in there.

I'm not saying I don't believe you.

I'm gonna come back here with proof. Alright, you feel me? Yeah. Follow my lead.

Like what is this?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. I've been there every night since I found the place and I still barely scratch the surface. Just take a slow. All these rooms. This place built them. It's like a maze. It just goes on and on.

Thank you.

Sometimes I'm scared I'll get lost. What? Can you hear me?

I don't understand

What is this?

It's beautiful. Am I right?

Hello?

All while obsession is blowing up and making money on money on money.

Yeah, we just

Two movies just back to back just going off.

And both of these kids combined aren't even as old as I am. So that's a bummer.

That's wow. Yeah, I think I got seven years on the two of them combined. Right.

That's fucking crazy. I mean it's awesome. It's totally awesome.

And the the coming off of You're going viral on YouTube, making great stuff there. Hollywood swooped in, swooped him up, give him gave him a little bit of cash and they're making cool originals.

Yeah.

For like

Experimental filmmaking and using your own unique voice like this happened with the the the guys who uh did Talk to Me and and uh and bring her back as well. They were YouTubers before they did anything on the big screen. Yeah.

It's insane that Hollywood hasn't been farming this sooner. Yeah, it you know proof.

Proof is right there that that they're good and they have ideas. Right.

I mean it probably took a lot of just growing time of of people doing it and doing it and doing it until It like all of a sudden there's you know, there's this is this professional level shit. Like the backrooms when backrooms first came out, I remember I first heard about it from you talking about it here years ago, and it blew my mind when I first saw it. I was like, Oh, this is so wild. Yeah. It looks so It's so creepy and so interesting and subtle. Right.

And it it's I'm I'm still blown away and like I after I watched the movie I went'cause I I watched a lot of it, but like I went back and watched all of it. Yeah. All the YouTube shit. Even some of his other stuff that wasn't backrooms, but it's kind of related. But um I'm blown away that It looks as good as it does because it's not real. Where at least in the movie, we have real sets. Like they built thirty thousand square feet of the fucking back room.

I was wondering about that

So much so that cast and crew are getting lost fucking around the back.

I love that.

Which is pretty r that's awesome and also scary, right? Like it's like totally but uh the fact that he made all that other shit with Blender and Adobe After Effects is nuts. Pretty great. Yeah. Is fucking crazy.

Like that was kind of the point too, right? Like he can create something that is like if I know you can kind of just create floor plans and and after effects and then put your real life camera through them.

Sure,'cause it's you know, you created a found footage thing. But it's just wild like'cause you know, everyone else has done file footage except that they're they have a camera and they're fucking you know, they're just

Yeah, and it's like it's practical because you literally'cause you can practically hold a camera and walk around and not have to stage and have actors. Yeah.

It's cheap and you could you know, there's all there's many reasons why people do found footage movies. Also, it's a good device, especially like when it started out, like if it's a good device.

It's still oftentimes a fun device. Yeah.

Yeah, there's definitely people I just am blown away that like he nailed it so hard. And granted, like the backroom stuff, like, sure, there's parts of it, some of those episodes where you can definitely tell that the people aren't real people. You could tell that they're Computer graphics and stuff. And the the weird stuff that he does with the you know, looks that make it look like an old VHS tape or whatever helps

Yeah.

disguising it. But he has other shit that he's made that's creepy as fuck. Same idea, not backrooms, it was gonna kinda be related to that, but like he did it same kind of story where it's like

Mm-hmm.

That first person kind of found footage style and all again, all created within those things and looks so fucking real. It's insane to me. And I just don't I'm like tripping out'cause I'm like I like I I knew that those were things that, you know, people could do with millions of dollars. Mm-hmm. But did like think about somebody just doing that at nineteen

A child.

You know, when he first like yeah, when he f the that first shit we came out, he was

Actual teenage young person made something that was so f such a phenomenon that it became one of the biggest grossing movies around.

weird because like he didn't invent the back rooms necessarily. Like he just made it good.

I mean it was like a creepypasta thing, right? Right.

Yeah. One single photo just about and then like yeah, like Reddit you know threads about liminal spaces and stuff and like um but it's wild that like yeah, I mean he just he did it the best. He i you know it's so much that

Yeah.

Totally, yeah. And and that's the thing is like he's got it all fleshed out and everything, even though he might not letting but be letting everyone else know what it all really means or what it d you know it is, but like It's all pretty fleshed out in his brain. Yeah. And it's wild that yeah, like to be able to like then get handed millions of dollars to live then create it in like a real world situation,'cause like now he's got sets and he's got real actors and like

Oh, yeah, I know.

You know, like and it's and it's I mean, I don't know how you guys felt about it, but I fucking loved it and I thought it was like so well done and like and just cool. It was not super scary, but like I still think there was definitely creepy moments and cool shit.

Well there's cool shit. There's definitely a scene that I mean like my favorite stuff, I'm like, Oh yeah, Brian's gonna love this too.

I'm loving it.

I know Brad's gonna Uh I thought the first half was kinda boring. Being honest, I didn't really it wasn't gonna grab me too hard. Then it got really good and then it just kinda ended.

Yeah.

Yeah. I do think I do think that they like I'm imagining because it did so well that they're gonna like probably like I'm imagining he can do more of'em. Yeah. You know, they'll want him to do more. Yeah.

I I like it. I I think it I think it was good. Overall, it was really good.

And granted, like the backrooms aren't like a full on like th even still, there has there's not like there's a story kind of happening, but like All those elements are in the movie, but it's still not something that just like the whole thing's you know, set out like this is what this thing is, you know, like Yeah. Um and it's not supposed to be.

They allude to what it could be or what's happening and

Yeah.

give you stuff to chew on, which I I enjoy that kind of kind of thing. The ending was a little frustrating'cause it's like you you kinda want a little bit of answers and they're about to give you it to you and then they just don't. Right. Yeah, that kinda sucks. Yeah.

But it's I mean I don't know, the idea of the of like what the backrooms is and that's that can be different for everybody, you know, and stuff. I saw a thing with Cain talking to like a podcaster asking him like Basically like, what does it all mean? Like what does it all you know, he was like one person figured it out and he like left a comment on one of the videos and had two likes he said.

And

That was the single only person He seems been watched millions and millions and millions of times. And he said one person Figured it out. Okay. Interesting. You know, interesting.

I I will leave it up to the youth of today to scour every video comment and then figure out which one used to have two like

I know that's a thing, like

Imagine.

Create an essay for me to read, hand it to me on a plate and spell it out for me too that this is the came from there. Yeah. I'm interested.

I don't know if he's even w will ever like say what it really means.

Not I think you should leave it to people's uh interpretation'cause that art is usually better that way. Yeah.

And I think it really is.

Explain everything.

Oh yeah.

As soon as you have a clear idea what it is, let people come to their own conclusions.

Yeah. And I think with this particular thing, the back rooms like It can be just this thing that everyone kind of interprets differently.

Yeah.

You know?

Make up my own thing.

I mean in this movie it definitely seems like When you're in the backrooms for an extended amount of time You create things. Like your memories can create things. Or like stu or your life or your b you know that's what it seems like to me. I don't know what it seems like to you guys but It seems like that way because the things that we do see, the the creatures and or people that we see are all definitely like related to Yeah.

And it seems r related to their their trauma.

Right.

As well. Yeah. There's something about there are two kind of main characters that are both like in isolation s in different ways. Like her mom kept her in isolation. Right. He's put himself there by his attitude and his aggressiveness and his shitty shittiness.

Right.

Yeah. And the the spaces kind of reflect that and you know, like memory and time seem all right intertwined and go in every which a way. Yeah. It's it's very bizarre. Yeah.

And then like in like in on the YouTube side of things, like those ones, like time is very like people transport in time to like you know, they get lost and they've been gone for a long time, but to them they were gone for five seconds and then they're just back at you know.

Yeah, time seems weird in there.

Super weird. Everything's interpreted weird. Like I

love that uh just he w they talk about like how memory changes slight it all changes slight like I love when they kinda sh he showed that too. Yeah. Where they they kinda this pan down, you see the room change and the everything's a little wonky, a little different. Yeah. Kinda it's very fa fascinating.

It's just like that thing where like they're talking about too, but it's like you tell somebody what something looks like randomly.

Right. That's a great analogy, the dog analogy.

Yeah. So and then you tell the next person and that person tries to draw it or whatever and like as you go down the line it gets worse and worse and worse. Farther away from a dog or whatever. Yeah. And it is cool that that they show that that that drop, you know, and so

Yeah, I love some of the the subtle weirdness, you know, just there's just like a weird angle or just a thing is just slightly off. Yeah. Or sometimes it's just a couch is melting into the Right.

Or people like c in the carpet or like, you know, growing out or whatever.

Whatever. Totally creepy. Other times it's just very subtle, where it's just like, oh, that's just a weird light. It's like in a weird spot.

Right.

Yeah, it is so weird because it's like with the with these liminal space things like Most of it is just it's creepy because it's odd and forever. Yeah. Like the the

Yeah. And though one of the creepies things about it is that it's empty.

Just something about those spaces on their own, like in real life. Right. That are just creepy and odd and exact uncomfortable. Yeah. I remember we I went to Vegas a couple of years ago. And was walking through one of the casinos and there was just I felt like a mile of the shit where they just had nothing and there was a in between like

Just doors or whatever.

Like I I could see how if this was packed full of people like you know, this would be okay and yeah. You're like reconstructing shit and like redoing something but It was just like endless that space. I'm like, this is fucking uncomfortable. For some reason it's just no one's here to to hurt me, but I'm uncomfortable. Yeah.

Yeah.

It really taps into that that odd feeling that you can't explain.

It's odd. Feel comfortable. And but also there's especially like it when you're walking and you're essentially lost in this place, there's no way to get out of there.

Kind of

Everything looks the same. You feel like you do in circles, you you're lost. But then you're you're you're so alone and so quiet and so weird. And so the second that you do think that you hear something or that there might be someone or anything like that, then it gets even scarier because you're like, Why would this why who's here?

Yeah, when you can't get out, where are you gonna go? Right. Right. Yeah.

And that's what's cra like with the YouTube ones it's so crazy'cause it's always like some of the longer ones, which like if folks haven't seen these ones, like I there's a bunch, but I would I would suggest the the best ones to kinda go through they're called like found footage one, two and three. Mhm. Number three came out like a year ago. So like you could tell he was top of his fucking game. Yeah. Uh

kind of show a little bit of that in the movie too.

This like it's so cool and so creepy and weird and like And there is some stuff that happens in the YouTube ones that didn't bring into the movie. And I think I read something like that, he said something like he didn't want to kinda it was like an extra thing to confuse people. But there's like these kind of

Is he?

Well I thought he had a composer.

No, he did all the music with the w like for all the background. Yeah, because I'm moving. He worked with that guy. So he collaborated with his this guy for the movie too.

Sound design thing happening.

Cr like'cause you know, he's I guess I mean he has been. He's making music, editing, doing all the stuff on Blender, like all that shit. So like dude's fucking talented.

Yeah.

No. I mean I can I can only imagine like for how big these p spaces seem within you know just watching them to like imagine creating that out of nothing. Right. To make it look real? Like

I remember the first time I saw someone and this is probably like t over ten years ago now, a friend of this kid named Emile Rosewater.

a

video for their band and it was uh in after effects. and it had that video effect too and it was all puppetry and it looked so fucking cool. I couldn't believe it. And I'm like, this is a teenage person who made this ripping music video. We all know the kids and and their bands, but

Yeah.

Yeah. I didn't see why it wouldn't be.

Yeah. And I I kinda love that that they had the money so they built the space. Like at least thirty thousand square.

It feels good. I like it'cause it feels real.

It feels like the people are in it.

It might have been necessary when it gets to the big screen to have it do that.

I think so. I do think so. I mean but at the same time, like the newer thing that he did on YouTube Could have been on the big screen. But it still looks as real as you could step into

Yeah.

Like it feels genuinely real, but like at the same time I know it's impossible. Right. Like you're looking at something you're like, this is impossible, but it looks like I'm standing in it. Yeah.

I love that this movie takes place in the nineties.

That's fun. That's Sanguera, San Jose area.

I love that shit.

So much.

I love I love um the the he went to therapy he's talking to that the other main character. Right and they're doing this mirroring thing. I like how that translates into the what's going on in the fucking backrooms area.

Right. Like in the later scenes.

Thematically I I like that I like that connectivity and then how it c comes back later in the movie. Yeah. It's all v it's all very clever, very nice stuff. Yeah.

And he's like,

He'd rather live in the fucking backrooms and take any fucking responsibility for his life. Right.

And then so much so that he also just like discounts the seriousness of where he's at or the you know the consequences of him doing anything in there. You know? Yeah. And it bites literally bites him in the ass.

Yeah.

I appreciate that like we get a weird big thing that's a real actor. You know, we mean

I recognize that dude immediately I was s so stoked. Right. So happy to see him back'cause uh yeah, both roles now have been uh so cool. Right. So amazing. So

It looks like

So tall and crazy.

I love it.

Yeah. So that was cool. It's a it's kind of silly, but so scary too. Yeah. Because you're kinda like, This is Scoof and then you're like, but he just keeps coming.

Makes it even scarier is that it's a little goof.

Yeah.

I love the look of the the other characters, the other still lives or whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah. Kind of faces just kinda doubled in weird ways. Yeah. Slightly off or really off. Yeah. That's f I I mean, that's the kind of shit we love, of course.

And and it's funny because I never really thought about it and I was talking with my wife about it and she brought up a point and then of course like later on I'm like in a hole look like about the backrooms and then it it's been talked about, but she's never seen the backrooms or anything. So it's just th she just was smart and I wasn't. And I was just like, What the fuck? Like it's true though, like it's basically like AI.

Yeah.

Too many eyes. Weird stuff happening where it's just like not quite right, but it looks like a thing of like, you know, that's

It's pulling from something real.

Yeah.

In it but it's it's as if AI cause it's the thing about the back rooms is that it is a physical space. Mm-hmm. It is an actual physical space. And it's not like it changes all the time'cause it doesn't.

It does sometimes but

It's yeah, the space itself changes.

Yeah. Sometimes.

Yeah,'cause it's like it's it is like I'm gonna say it's like that AI book. It's thoughtless, meaningless, stupid, and it's in printed form and forever at least there's one copy that's in printed form that's it's out there. Yeah.

And it is

Nonsense.

For you listeners that don't know what Josh is talking about. Yeah. His friend got a AI book for Christmas that had Josh in it.

I was a character in the AI books.

Stories that never happen, life experiences that never happen.

Three hundred page book about shit that never happened.

Fucking crazy.

Just fucking pondering. Crazy. What a weird thing. I'm gonna go read it.

Can you get stuck in the fucking back rooms?

Yeah, I'm gonna it might convince me that some of that should happen. Maybe my life is pretty fun.

Start telling those stories, those memory.

Okay.

Yeah, check back with me in a couple months if I start telling you stories of shit that you that couldn't a happen. That sounded like something you would do. What happened to this guy that looks like me? I'm on the cover all like Look like Robert De Niro with pretty much my features, but a little different.

N like the actual actors or anything?

None of the actual actors, none of the character, none of the furniture story, that kind of stuff.

Captain Clark he's not in the

Captain Clark.

There's there's some aspects of like a furniture store maybe or something like that,'cause there's like furniture, you know, that's like looks like a storefront kinda, but it's like it's just in the back rooms. But

But not really. But looking at the IMD for the movie, it's like directed by Kane Parsons and it's written by a guy named Will Sudic plus one other person. Yeah. I bet the one other person is Kane Parsons. So they had to A twenty four investing so much into this kid's movie for it to pick to bring it to a big screen had to be like, We need to write a story story with people in it.

Right.'Cause how are you gonna do that? Yeah.

How are you gonna make a movie otherwise? Right. I don't agree that that made it scarier or even better. I didn't I mean, for people to latch onto a movie it would have to have some sort of characters.

Totally. And I and I also think that like you don't have to see all that stuff on the YouTube. Yeah. On the YouTube it's not like on the YouTube's uh fucking

It's a series of tubes, right? U tube, B tube, M tube.

You don't gotta be on the internet. Um But you don't like you know, you could go and watch this movie.

The YouTube series. Yeah.

Yeah, or yeah, not see the YouTube series and still enjoy it and still Yeah, you know, be

And vice versa. You could in you could see the YouTube series and enjoy it and then get here and be like, Well, that's a little too specific a thing for me. It doesn't have the things I fully love about the series, but it it's necessary to bring in everybody. And it's bringing in everybody. Yeah. Obviously. The movie is scary and it's it is character driven. So it's n it's necessary. But

And there there's a there's it's definitely like a story unfolding and the the company that's in this what we see It plays a way bigger part in the YouTube series, Async or whatever. Like the like It's actually I mean I don't know if you might spoil anything that way, but

You don't have to, but I mean I'm interested in the

interesting.

Knowing that they're in it more is interesting

Tell you little nuggets, but like It's interesting'cause like they're obviously they've been exploring the backrooms and know about it and are dealing with it, right? Right. In the YouTube version, they're also trying to cash in on it. They're trying to build housing there and transportation and storage and like all this stuff as they're exploring it and as they're trying to develop it and all this stuff because it's like fucking capitalism. We found this thing, now we're gonna try to you know

Look at all the infinite space. Right.

So like that company essentially created this threshold, this opening to the backrooms. And so they have this like stabilized

The upside down is.

Es essentially, where they travel back and forth to that. People come to work like that guy in the movie. Which is funny, I wasn't expecting to see fucking uh The plastic thing. Yeah. That was kind of I was like, oh shit.

I I was not expecting to see him and I was not stoked really.

Yeah, see in the in the sh in the YouTube things it definitely seems like they're going in and out of it and like these people are like going to work. Like they go to work, they go home. Right. So they know about it. It's obviously like kind of a secret or top secret or whatever. But they're they have lives outside of

Okay. So that's so there is a way out.

Well essentially, but then people get lost in there. They're like you know, stuff happens, weird stuff time travel stuff happens.

Weird still life memories of versions of them are stuck in there somewhere.

Yeah. So you start and like there's just weird shit where there's like just all of a sudden like a car like like there's a video it's like a surveillance video of like a car driving on a freeway and it just like fucking disappears.

Part of what makes it Interesting to me is the same kind of thing that makes House of Leaves, the Mark Danieluscu book. If you haven't read House of Leaves, I h highly recommend it. It's got it the DNA of this is in that.

Really? Yeah. Um

And the same with another there's a more recent thing called episode thirteen, which is uh what what it is, it's like this is a found footage. The things that make it effective is that it's found footage. You're seeing it through the lens of someone seeing it for the first time in a lot of ways. And you're seeing it

Right.

account okay of all this stuff. Yeah. And I feel like that is a smart it's a smart device. Found footage is a smart device in a lot of ways. Yeah. But the the idea of it being space that is unattainable, endless

Yeah.

Yeah. Dream like that.

Right.

The threat of just being laughing.

Lost. Being lost and stuck, no way to get out, but now something's pursuing you.

Yeah. Right. I don't even think you need the thing that pursues you.

What's that?

I you don't even need a thing pursuing you. Just being last is terrified.

Yeah, you're help you're just feeling super helpless and hopeless like

Pursuing you is an extra is a way to make it scary and effective in two hours. Sure.

But it's the same thing with the YouTube like videos where it's like regardless how how long they like they kinda eventually go there where it's like You're traveling so long through this whole maze looking at everything, traveling through, and it's just this like creepy as fuck. And then eventually something happens and then this per your person who you are you know, your the camera has to like run back through

I didn't even go up at any point.

Yeah. Like just weird, you know. But wasn't there a channel zero episode with a house that was

I think there's two seasons of Channel Zero that reminds me of this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like

Very scary. That one is the one I've watched twice. Yeah. Scared the fuck out of me. Like I think about it now. I'm like and it is like that. It's like this endless like the p you go to a house with your friends, like, oh, this house it just shows up and then you you go in with your friends like a haunted house.

And then

You think you got out and you're not actually out. Like then you go back to your home and your home is different. Your dead dad is back. Right. It's fucking scary.

World now is actually in that house.

There's nobody else there. It's fucking good. And then there's the other one which was which had Rucker Hauer and Homegirl from It Follows in It. Right. Which is like The butcher one, which is another w stair staircase in the woods kinda another creepy part.

Where it's just like yeah, yeah. Like re there's something that shouldn't be there, you know, which I I love that too.

Right.

Yeah.

Did you guys see that uh what was it's like Exit Eight or something like that, or some new movie?

It was you were telling us.

Yeah. It's it's similar liminal space like weirdness.

And kind of like a puzzle.

Okay. Something like that. I heard about it.

Really?

Based off a game, let's say you could you just play that game yourself and experience it.

That could be scary.

It's pretty pretty interesting.

It's weird'cause I mean there is

There's a lot of

That's um, like Limital Space Fire.

Content.

We were watching that we were watching this movie, I was thinking of that movie you were telling us about, is it eight. And I love the whole idea of these and I was for a while there I was following a lot of accounts until like that were like liminal space accounts. And I was like, eventually I'm like, this is AI slot.

Right. That's the that's the problem is like, yeah, we're now that world, right?

No, no, I'm often like But I was enjoying it. There was a period there I was enjoying just seeing like half filled pools in some indoor indoor pools in some weird space. I'm like, what a cool idea.

It's it's yeah, pretty fascinating concept. Yeah.

And it's scary. It's because there's that weird curiosity in all of us to be like to discover or to figure out why this thing is. Yeah. You know, like think that's just like I think it's a good thing.

Comfortable and uncomfortable about it at the same time, which is

Because it's got I mean, it's really nostalgic, even though was Homie alive in the nineties nineteen nineties. No way. In the same way that I was nostalgic for

Born in two thousand five, dude.

So fifteen years before he was born is where he bases his

Yeah.

Which style, yeah.

I love it.

I mean sure that was probably I mean people that were born in the seventies were certainly like m being nostalgic for the fifties and sixties.

Totally. Yeah. He made this new one it's called the oldest view and it's like this newer one that he did and like Uh it's fucking crazy. It's scary as shit. And it's sh it's like not shouldn't be again. Right. It's like very like benign things happen, but like very liminal spaces, but like It is uh like it feels like it's it was filmed in Petaluma, like in the in the hills of Petaluma or something like that.

Right.

But like part of it,'cause then there's like a a hole that goes into like a staircase that just goes down forever.

I love it.

And he f you know, he's a YouTuber. It's funny. It's him, it's Kane Parsons. He's a YouTuber. He's filming this he's go he found out this hole and he starts like slowly discovering it, going farther and farther and all this stuff.

It's a magical idea.

Yeah. And it goes to like a mall, like this abandoned mall. And like he's in California or whatever. The mall is maybe in Texas.

Really. Wait, like I'm all with people in?

No. There might be something in it, but there's like but it is abandoned mall. It is and the mall is like it looks so fucking real. And that's the thing, like we have all this AI slot bullshit. I love that this fucking kid is just making it. Mm-hmm. You know? Like it's sure it's computer graphics, but like he's fucking doing it.

Computer graphics does not mean AI, right? So it's certainly not. It's like people can create and have been creating computer graphics for a long ass time.

You're creating something from nothing. We're like, Yeah, that's happening with AI, but that's fucking such a shitty shortcut that no you know, I don't care about.

The the shortcut is the problem. Like if it's if there's no thought behind it, then it it's a problem. And I don't believe i it makes any fucking sense if it wasn't put created by a by a person

Like why why should it be why should it be easy like that? Sure I want things in my life to be easy, but like if it's at the like cost of like people's lives, the earth, yeah, you know, all these things, like

Not to mention the peop what like respect the time that this person took to create this thing, years and years of creating it and testing it and gathering a following and all that kind of stuff. Like Sure, it's computer generated, but it's mostly generated from his brain and his ambition. Right. Like the time that he spent to indoors.

Ha ha.

Indoors. Like think of this kid spent his entire teenage and ad and you know, adult life indoors. Entertain us.

Multiple of those videos they're like forty five minutes long.

Yeah.

And I'm all I can imagine is like if I'm sitting here for forty five minutes, how fucking many years did it take you to make This thing, you know? Like how fuck

Maybe he's fast at it. But I think he's got the the idea enough to like this looks cool, but how do I make it make sense and how do I make it appeal to people? Yeah. It's really well put together and I think that th that it is sort of boring. Is part of the whole thing. It's so boring. Right. Like the backrooms are boring.

Yeah.

Until they're not.

Until they're not and then they're you wish they were boring you, right?

You you want him to be boring, yeah.

I remember when this was nice and boring and just magic.

I love how like he starts taking furniture out of the background.

Yeah.

Like pretty soon that whole pile just is gone, you know, like he's taking all the shit into his store. Yeah. Just funny, I'm like so you know. Pre furniture. But

I c I can make money on this.

I love that he's sleeping in the store'cause he fucking fucked up his relationship'cause he's

I do like that too.

And like you know, it looks the the scene's so radly shot where it's just like him uh watching T V in bed and then fucking something happens and it pans out and he's just

We haven't thought about doing that sometime. Like you go in those stores and they have beds, you're like, Can I just sleep here? Yeah.

That looks like a comfortable bed.

Is it was it career opportunities where they're like fuck around the store all night long? Is that it? Or old old nineties? What? But you just get like locked in a target, you like d h hide essentially or whatever like like a target or whatever and you're just like hanging out in there all night long and you're sleeping there and playing there and stuff.

Wasn't it wasn't it the same the same idea about that movie? elves with grizzly atoms? Wasn't weren't there people camping out in the mall overnight?

Uh probably well and I guess what is it what is the one with Barbara Crampton and the kill box?

Right.

Well there I mean, you know, a lot of that would happen where you hang out in the mall so you could fuck and

I got a s I got this whole place to f

Yeah, yeah.

I'm gonna fuck on the Chick-Fil-A.

Just watch out for the killbots.

Yeah. And that's the fun thing too. I've seen people like post like I'm in the back rooms and it's like just literally the Santa Rosa Mall like in the back rooms. That's where I spent me and Anna Hill would spent a lot of time just running around those mall back rooms.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it was like endless grey tunnels that occasionally pop in and there's like, Oh, I'm behind Mrs. Fields cookies. Oops. Run.

I i it is like one of those things too where like I feel like everyone at some point has been into a a in a a space that feels sorta like that. Yeah. You know?

I used to go to the fucking Fairmont Hotel and just go to the convention center part and be like, Oh This is a ballroom with nobody in it. This feels really weird.

I mean we've been walking around convention hotels and things like that where we'll get into a room where there's nobody or like a hallway that's just like goes. Yeah. You know, like it's just like getting Yeah. And like a lot of those things just go like those you know, hallways just go around and all over the place and like

I love it.

It's scary though. It is really scary, but there is such something that it feels so familiar. Yeah. And that's what's like

That's part of the Yeah, I think the thing about these maybe it's the c all the creepypasta I've heard of are things that are like they trigger familiarity, but they're not specific like the have you seen this man thing that you know like the tremor dose is based on and have you seen like other things that are like that

The lag the laughing man, like that stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. And the other thing is like, well, def definitely the back rooms are there. That's certainly like one of the things everyone who sees a space is like, Wow. Okay. We've all seen this space.

And there's other people making backrooms movies, which like some of'em are called the same things as like found footage number one or whatever. Like and they're not as good, but they're definitely like people are making those things, you know, and like Um I was confused. Like if you're not on like Kane his I think his his channel is Kane Pixels. Kane Pixels. Yeah. If you're not on that, then like

I mean,'cause it's a style of film. Again, the story is not it doesn't have to be you can't copyright a style. No.

Right. Well it's like it's like w other like cryptids or creepypasta where like those things are just scary so people are gonna run with'em, right? So there'll be multiple things about a Bigfoot or there'll be multiple things about whatever, Johnny the homicidal maniac or whatever it might be. And they're all scary or whatever, and some of them are obviously better than others and some float to the top like Cain, you know.

I'm so glad the whole thing wasn't in fan footage style. I mean I obviously had to do a little bit of that because that's kind of the thing, but thank God it was filming like an

Yeah, having it to some of it was plenty.

Totally. I mean that's the thing, like'cause with the other stuff, they're not real spaces, so he has to do that. You have to

Yeah, and I think he would have to do it uh in order if it was if it was no found footage, it would not appeal to the fans who've been with him since the beginning. Like since it all is found footage, you have to include it. Yeah.

That's it,'cause my my kid knew all this stuff. He's seen all this stuff. And like so he like his question as we were walking over to the theater'cause we went and saw it together, he was just like, How are they gonna like

Agree.

This you know, found footage style into a normal movie or whatever, you know, like how are they doing that? And I'm like, I don't fucking don't know. But they did it and I think it was pretty seamless and I think it it felt enough like the YouTube stuff, but then felt also like a proper movie, you know, and kept your interest both ways, I feel so.

Think over that.

Yeah, I don't need to see a whole first person shooter style found footage thing. I've watched a number pl plenty of people they've play video games in my life. Yeah. As not a gamer myself, but someone who's like will watch you play a video game. Sure. Because I'm I'm a l I'm a lurker in all aspects.

Yeah.

Of my life. But yeah, I do I I really did enjoy like just see I mean I I

I gotta do it. on the fence about how I felt about found footage stuff for a long time.'Cause like, you know, we we had the Blair Witch and then we have all the stuff that happened after that. Yeah. And so much of those festivals now that are just found footage movies and you know, people are making'em all the fucking time.

And that I'll tell you what I like a found footage movie. I love Blair Witch. I like a two-piece band. I love the Americas. I ain't going to a two-piece band festival. They have'em. It's a whole weekend. A hundred and two-piece bands can suck my dick.

Ha ha ha.

A found footage movie festival can lick my balls and they can both go to town.

Yeah.

I hope it's happening the same weekend'cause my dick is gonna be pleased. Fuck right off.

Like I I felt like so tired of it that like The idea like'cause I I had seen some of these Blackroom things like years ago when we kinda I think I talked about, you know, I'd watched like maybe three of'em and I th I think I was kinda like, yeah, on the fence, like, I don't even know if I wanna watch these long ones. It's just all found footage style. I'm kinda tired of this style. I'm kind of like whatever. Yeah.

Thank you for taking one for the team.

'cause you and I are the people that are like, Man, did you see that latest Know What I Mean Vern commercial with Ernest P. Worrell Yeah, that was fun, right? Thirty second doses, a good time, right? Well there's a video you could rent. It's just commercials. Commercials from different regions of the United States. You think I didn't rent that like a dumb fuck and watch commercial?

Yeah.

Fuck.

Whoa. Like talk about a fucking pre YouTube time waster.

Yeah, yes sir.

See me, you give him good money for it.

And and I wouldn't normally like there's no fucking way that I would do that with most things. Sure. But after seeing the movie, I was that invested, I was that stoked to kinda I'm like, I wanna like Dylan kept on doing a thing where cause he knew all the stuff, so he'd be like, Oh shit, oh shit, that's from this.

Yeah, yeah.

I like the idea of like whoever's falling into it for the most part's getting fucking absorbed, like chomped and their clothes are just getting piled up.

Who's who's shirt and clothes did he find?

The camera kit. Like it was down there. Yeah, it's like the first shirt he finds on the pile is his shirt that he was wearing earlier in the movie.

Right, right, right.

Yeah.

And then there's th sandals are on the carpet later on when we see the throne.

Right.

Uh Captain Kirk's throne.

Super scare. Like that's the whole like even so much when they go back down there and then like that one door just kinda slightly closes, blood everywhere and like

Right.

Ugh.

And I r like w when you're down there you don't realize that you're in a essentially a sideways, upside down room.

Right.

Right.

Pretty cool.

I love like all that disorienting stuff is so tricky.

Kirk was trying to hurt her or something. Get help from her.

Captain Carl, thank you. Yeah.

Carl. Carl.

Captain Carl was still

It's it's twin, right?

Right.

All right, exactly. Captain Kirk, Captain Carl.

How funny is when he's dressed up like a pirate doing the commercial, he's got the peg leg and his legs sticking out the back and just like hobbling around. Yeah.

There's a lot of people talking about how that's really him, the captain Carl at at the end is is actually the real dude because there's like you see his dead body later on on the slab there and there's like a x ray and there's actually bone

That's that's a pirate. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. It yeah, that thing was dead.

Yeah, but people are saying that's the real dude. And the uh the other guy got chomped is is a is a still life, is a different guy.

Oh weird.

seemed like he was trying to not maybe attack her as much as like get her to help him and she like beat his head in and he didn't have stuffing. You know? He didn't he wasn't full of stuffing like the other ones were. And there's the X ray and you see bones and brains and shit. So he's not full of nothing.

Right.

Yeah, I don't know. It is weird'cause like those other ones like he's like you could eat them.

Yeah, I'm tearing it.

Eat them. That's definitely like a new

The best part is

That is definitely a weird version of his wife.

Tot that's totally yeah, yeah. I think those two other people I think relate to some stories he's telling about too. Yeah. Um somehow.

I bet that was his house as well.

The little still life with the

Love it.

The lights go out, and he's all, like, it's like a tick-a-tick-a-tick.

Yep, that was pretty good.

So sick.

Yeah, all that stuff.

That's interesting'cause I yeah,'cause I I I was reading this like that that was the big pirate, but like I didn't read that like that could have just been actually

He's been in there so long, you know, time's weird in there. He knows how time works. But he looks like if you look at his face, he doesn't look me, looks at almost like concerned and scared.

The pirate. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like it looks so benign that it shouldn't be scary, but he's pursuing

Yeah.

But then like that other like hit car all that we in the the kitchen or the whatever the dining rooms thing that happens, like he's not afraid of that pirate and lets the pirate pick him up and he's just talking to him normal. So It you're right. It could be that that thing is just a dumb still life that is just kinda you know, but it's talking and it has like those other things don't talk and like I don't know, man.

Yeah, he's interacted with that thing before. Yeah. Once he got permission to like be a shithead from his therapist, that's when he like gets ate and gets attacked. There's something to it. I I can't put my brain together to figure it out.

Very scary when like all of a sudden that the redhead that's not doing anything just takes off fucking running into the corner. She knows like what's coming, but like it's funny that she's not you know, there's no spark there, there's no nothing until like that happens and you're like what the f

There was also the p the part where in there in the Christmas tree room

Mm-hmm.

When you first see the redhead, and she's making some noise. So she's vocalizing some noise.

Yeah, in there, but that's weird that she wasn't in the other room.

Yeah. I'm like all right, y you if you're you're meaning to scare me here it's

Well,'cause she's like, Oh, what who who's there? And then like the little guy turns on the lamp and then she comes fucking around. And it's already it's playing that creepy ass weird warped version of Feliz Navidad. Oh my god, like why how is this song so scary right now?

That that room where it's just like The middle of it's all emptied out and there's just it's just like endless, bottomless pit. And she has to climb up these stairs with no

I was ready to lose it.

Like trying to open this weird little door at the ceiling.

The door actually falls.

Fucked me up that whole scene. His arms are just grabbing God damn.

That was extremely scary.

And intense. Yeah.

She got right back into the furniture store, but it was a strange liminal version of it with concrete instead of doors.

And what's an interesting thing with like and it's kind of common thread through all the backroom stuff and through his the oldest view stuff too, is like there's these things that are like that thing's huge and it shouldn't be able to pursue her as well as it it does.

Yeah.

And keep up with her and like you wouldn't think it'd be fast enough or able to move around or get into these little things. And they do. And it's like so scary because of that,'cause it's like again Y you're there's plenty of places to hide and escape from it, you think.

But you you got to do that, but they're they're endlessly responsible.

And like that thing knows where you are. It's like it knows no matter where you're at, it's coming for you. It's kind of it follows, you know, like like if you just sit still long enough it's coming. You know, it is coming for you.

I mean I feel like it's just a very small portion of the whole world, endless world that is the back rooms. This is just one tiny story within it, right? This is just an example.

And it's the part that's a good idea. Obviously that the async people are able to come in and out of and are doing their thing, you know.

Yeah, cameras set up and shit.

And but it's interesting'cause that that l that that last scene where we see that there's a still life of her means that she's been in there long enough, right, for them to start there's shit starting now to happen because of she's been in there. So again the the the time Stuff like who knows how long she's been in there for, you know?

Right. There was a s uh when she's talking to D Place at the end where he's she says something like Am I am I out of it? Am I am I still are we're still in this place? He goes, Yeah, we're We're we're we're in here. Yeah. Like I it made me think that maybe they'd having not seen the the series, maybe he they're not out. Maybe he's not out either. Maybe they're still working from within there, but they have no choice but to be in.

Well they know what their own door is, for sure.

Yeah. Yeah, fucking weird.

I'd watch more.

It's yeah, and again, it's like one of those things like because it is so crazy and you can just think about it for so long about what it means and what it's doing and what it is and like in the way it looks like. Yeah, I'm like I'm yeah, make a fucking other movie. I'm in, you know.

Or I'd l I'd be interested to see what they do outside the back rooms. And if and if this is the oldest view is something like that, I'd like to see that.

Yeah. It was gonna be part of the backrooms and he decided to kinda to separate it. But it's very much that. It's funny though he references the backrooms in it. Really. Yeah, as a YouTuber. He's like, This is like the backroom you know, like so is there's that kind of meta That's funny, you know, thing. But um But it it could very well just be a backrooms video, you know. But there's some other cool

Of course.

There's some other cool well the well and then the mall of the mall, the endless mall. Uh but it yeah, there's just like crazy other shit in there too and like it's just It's so vast and again I'm just like blown away that you can just create that from nothing and it looks so good. Yeah.'Cause like sure you could create anything from nothing, but like it's gonna look shitty. If I did it, it'd look fucking shitty, you know? Like it's gonna look horrible.

Somewhere.

Yeah. So crazy. So yeah, I don't know. And again, I'm I'm so happy that it's just like we have these young people that are making these original stories and Hollywood's finally like Taking notice. And of course they're taking notice'cause they want to make money. But

For cheap and they make money. Right.

And people are going to come see them. The the theaters have been never been more packed in the last fucking five years. It's crazy. It is.

So not only the the two shows we saw in a few days we saw obsessions and backrooms within a few days of each other were fully packed. Yep. Fully packed with really young people and kids just fucking linger afterwards. They're just chilling in the movie theater talking and

Sure. Wow. Yeah. I mean that's it's kinda it's it's cool. It's really fucking cool and it's like I you know, we're in this cool space now where it's like I mean, we've already been having all these amazing rad horror movies last like five, six years post COVID. Mm-hmm.

Bringing people out to see the movies.

Yeah,'cause those young people are stoked on there being other young people. And that's I mean part of again part.

What it requires to keep movie theaters going is to have people stoked on going and then to have a fond memory of going when they're young. Right. Like that's crucial. Because then you w you tr you recapture that by going to see movies outside of your home and on huge screens, I think it's crucial to keep'em open and it's good to see that affecting young people'cause I was I was really worried.

Yeah, for a long time. I mean no one dude, so much so did you see did you guys hear they're they're bringing an IMAX thing into the theater fucking in Petaluma? Yeah, they're making an IMAX thing like that's fucking sick, dude. I'm super hyped on that.

I don't know how to do it.

I don't know how either you're going to be able to do

But thank God I'm tired of driving a phone.

No, Fairfield or fucking SM.

Yeah. I saw Master of the Universe in Screen X, which is not IMAX. It's just that it's got screens on either side of you as well. Oh. So like it just stretches certain elements out.

Where are you at?

Падалила. The pedal in the cinema, yeah. It costs twenty five dollars.

Yeah, I gotta pay for those extra screens.

Yeah. And it was strange the things they chose to stretch out.

Weird. But it was all in the movie, uh uh He Man?

It was in the He Man movie, yeah. Um, and it was I I mean I loved it personally. Yeah. I love the movie and I'll I'll go see it again, but it's I kind of it was a bit distracting. My first thought when I left was like, I'd like to see that again in Theater twelve in Sure. Like there was a line that where the two screens seemed.

That seems like a weird one.

I I've y you guys have seen that crazy dome in Vegas, right? Like where they've been playing that Wizard of Oz and there's like fucking real storm that they make in there and shit and like

I feel like a lot of is uh there's a bit of AI happening there.

Sure. Oh yeah, they they did a they were talking about how they did a whole like what's it called and then like ups is it upscale? They like do like yeah, like but they did it with AI and there's like stuff that like yeah. So like that's a bummer of course, but like The fact that it's a s insane round scream uh like

Who's even watching you if you're looking at this big old screen everywhere?

Oh you know, like just like chaos.

It seems overwhelming.

I feel like yeah, the sphere is the attraction. You two, one of the biggest bands in the world, are just a small part of the attraction when it's you two at the sphere, right?

I mean yeah, Devo should just do it'cause they just have their little automatons out there fucking Dor not Devo, fucking craft work, yeah.

Yeah, for example.

They just like put their fucking things up there and just go fucking chill in the back and tell the

Fuck off, yeah.

Just play him in front of the office.

Better visuals than you two, I'm sure.

Yeah. Fuck. It's so weird that they would have a thing, you know? Like no doubt also. But I mean they're just playing to show there, but like

It's just a certain size of a band at a point.

Yeah. And I'm sure yeah, tons of bands will come through there, but like it's just it just looks crazy. But I do like the idea of like there being like a crazy immersive movie experience, but I don't want to have AI bullshit involved with it.

I'm interested in seeing it. I know it's also prohibitively expensive.

Right.

I'd love to see the Wizard of Oz in there. Wizard of Oz. Who doesn't love the Wizard of Oz? But I would and I would watch it again, especially if it's some three sixty experience. But if I see one six fingered little person, I'm gonna lose it.

Weird. But I mean overall you guys liked it?

Really liked it.

Yeah.

I love it. I saw it with uh with Jeff and then I sent him a video afterwards. I was just walking through Santa Rosa.

Did you find some backgrounds?

I found some back rooms.

It's straight up, dude. It's really funny.

Oh sorry, I took so long.

It was cracking me up.

Yeah. Whoa. The little pile, like you're just like, What the fuck? Light's on, you know.

Yeah, yes, it is.

Ten o'clock at night. Yeah. Or later.

So we're

That's just on the corner of Medicino and Seventh. That's just the old vi the old magazine store, the old OP comics.

Oh really? Yeah. Weird.

And I was like,

There's a pile of dirt in there.

A pile of dirt, a hole in the ground and an exit sign with all the lights on late at night? I'm like, What are you doing? Did they just go see back rooms here?

Ha ha ha. Uh huh.

Yeah. I'm I'm like I'm stoked'cause it made me like again, like I feel like I got twice as much movie'cause then I went and watched all that stuff, you know, and like literally probably over two hours or way more than that, probably four hours worth of stuff probably.

Oh, on YouTube, yeah.

Yeah. I did the oldest view stuff separate, but I watched that whole playlist and I watched all of his playlist of backrooms. I think

I'll visit them all maybe on separate occasions, but that sounds like fun.

Very cool. Very, very cool. And again like you don't have to watch all that stuff, but if you watch like the found footage ones That's like a pretty good, you know, spot. And I get the last one, the part three, was really fucking scary. And that was like one of the newest ones. And I was just like, This is might have been scarier than the fucking movie. You know

Yeah. So that's what I'm looking forward to. Yeah.

So like I was I really like but I you know it's funny, I jumped I'm I it's been a long time since I've like really jumped. I mean sure jump scare sometimes will get me just like because that it is that But when the mom thing happened in the movie, when she like

Oh yeah, when she came running from behind.

Uh Dylan was like, What the fuck are you doing? Like I totally was like Fucking shit my pants on like that's just a lady.

You don't know that. And it I thought about that too. I was like, what made it so scary is'cause you're it was so quiet. Yeah and she's just picking the paper from the newspaper from the window. Because her mom is obviously agoraphobic and got some disorder. And right and it doesn't even show her coming around the corner. She's already there. Right. So it just it's a it's a jump scare, but it was effective.

It was effective. It got me, which while those you know, it definitely

Right.

And there's like theories that the mom had been in the back rooms, which is why she was fucking batshit. Oh sure. The things she's talking about and stuff could s could be from that, you know. Um So there's like that weird kind of connection too, which is kinda cool to think about, you know. Like if she had been there and then like got out of it and was just like fucking, you know, lose your mind. Yeah.

Yeah. How could you not be, man? Right.

Like when she gets in there into the kitchen, like when she gets he first like he chokes her out, which is like that whole thing is c crazy'cause you think there's something else coming and he's actually the menace. But when you when they get into that kitchen area, like all I could think about was like she's sitting here seeing these still lives.

Uh another aspect of that is she spends her entire life like goading people to talk about themselves and talk about their own problems and their own traumas and their own worlds and then all of a sudden she's physically in it.

Yeah.

Yeah. And she's gotta deal with it right then and there, like she's fully trapped in it.

Right.

Yeah, fuck you, man.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and also if you think about like somebody like that, where it's like they're hearing wild shit probably all the time from some people, you know, if they're having mental breaks or they're having issues like delusions like t saying insane shit like he showed up and was telling her and she's gotta write it off being like this guy's fucking you know, he needs some help. And then all of a sudden like it's all true. You know, like what the fuck? So scary.

Yeah, you got a feel for the for Carl too. What a

Yeah, you know.

Sure, he's a he's a reacting re Captain Kirk. He's a reactionary dickhead, but he's got a like

I don't feel for him at all, he's a piece of shit. Straight up a piece of shitty won't he won't take any accountability for his own shitty.

And she calls him so on that, which is like, yeah, she's a rad'cause she's just like, Yeah, you you're not fucking you're not taking responsibility for anything.

Everyone else's fault.

And he's just g he's just getting fired up and getting mad at everyone else and playing the victim when you're not the victim. Yeah.

Right, right, right. You don't gotta feel

I don't know. But Kirk, you just tried to beat him up. I lost.

Kirk got stuck on that planet in fucking in generations.

What's wrong with that?

Fuck a blue chick. Think of all the liminal planet spaces you can find.

Planet fucking backrooms. Oh yeah. Right on. Yeah, I mean

I liked it. I I I I really did enjoy it. I'll probably end up watching it again somehow. If it was on, I wouldn't turn it off.

Yeah, no, I'll I'll definitely watch it again like.

It's like I would I wouldn't go and see it again in the theater but

I kinda want to. Now that I've seen all that other stuff, I feel like I kind of need to like go see it'cause I think there's stuff I missed.

Yeah. If Dill's picking stuff out because he's familiar with the whole with the whole legend then

Yeah, he he s he started shutting up about it'cause he wanna spoil things, but I can still see him react.

That's an extra level added level of enjoyment, sure.

Yeah, that's great. And again, like, you know, he you know, is of that he's you know, he's a filmmaker, he wants to do stuff like that. Like taking him like that was so fun to like take him to a movie, especially for like a local kid.

Make stuff now. Always be making stuff.

Making sense.

That's tried and truth. Spielberg was always making stuff.

And put and always put it out there. Someone's gonna see it that's gonna like be taken and we'll buy it. Yeah.

Yeah, night drive. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

They won't give us the money.

Literally. Taken by it and taken from us.

Like all they're old, they're gonna die now anyway, so it's okay.

Six years? That's a that's ages ago.

Isn't it crazy to think it's been that fucking long?

Seven years.

How fucking crazy is that? Yeah. Wow.

Anyways.

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Brian's gonna be there, Judge's gonna be there. Yeah.

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Dress up as pirates. I saw there's this guy I buy shirts from somebody. He has he has a company called Meth Syndicate and he he made a shirt that said, uh A giant pirate ate my ass in the back room He's the one that made that uh I'd rather be drinking a margaritaville hat, so just like funny like shirts and shit. I laugh so hard. I a giant pirate ate my ass in the And all I got was his lousy shirt, that's what it was.

Always it all I got was this lousy t-shirt.

And it's got like a the Jolly Rogers like thing and then it just says that. Oh my god.

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