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Ep -378: The Exorcist 3.

May 29, 20261 hr 9 min
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Summary

The hosts dive into William Peter Blatty's "The Exorcist III," also known as "Legion," highlighting its surprising quality as a third installment and celebrating Brad Dourif's exceptional acting. They discuss the film's unique blend of grounded police procedural and surreal horror, including studio conflicts and celebrity cameos. The episode also features an unboxing of a peculiar gift and promotes local record and book stores.

Episode description

In this episode Jef "jumps the shark" and picks a decent movie for a change of spooky scenery. He picked 1990's "The Exorcist 3" aka "Legion" written and directed by the one and only William Peter Blatty. This film is rare in that the 3rd installment of the franchise is actually good! The true hero of this movie's thumbs up status is one of the best damn actors ever to grace a screen, Mr. Brad Dourif! And while this flick is filled with great shots, cool scares and a killer sound design, Mr. Blatty also did an amazing job directing even if the picture released was not entirely how he wanted it. If you have never seen it, be sure to check it out because Jef, Josh and Brian think you might like it! Enjoy!

Transcript

Intro / Opening

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Podcast Opening and Patreon Intro

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Enough time for one more story.

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Got a little clunt for the viewers, patreon.com slash Friend Midnight. What's up everybody? Doo do do do do do do do do do That's the new theme. Fools.

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That's it.

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Toot forever midnight up in your queer. You like it? You like it? I wrote the lyrics just now.

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You gotta get it.

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I apologize.

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We always make sure that They're rough within five minutes people know that it's rated R.

D

You don't want to drop a hard C in the middle of the show.

B

Kids listening for ten minutes and then listening to

D

I think Queafer might be PG thirteen.

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I don't even know what that is.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Like Queer Sutherland. My favorite lost boy.

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Don't you make yogurt?

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with Queefer?

Unboxing Albini's "Dracula Sucks" Gift

B

We got a uh package. Oh we got an extra package.

E

Oh another.

D

Yeah.

B

There's four now. But I don't know what it is. I can imagine what it is.

D

I have an idea.

E

Yes, take a kid.

D

It's in the shape of a record or something flat.

B

This is from our uh friend and longtime patron Gail Perlow.

D

Thank you.

B

Um and he yeah, he sent something.

E

That's exciting.

B

My name was on it but I decided to wait for you guys.

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Didn't open it. Oh it does it doesn't even say for midnight. You sure this is for us?

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Uh.

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I had people stop stop doing that'cause we had something that got turned like sent back.

D

Oh I see. I that makes sense.

E

Okay, what do we got here now?

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I'm gonna I'm gonna read it as you're pulling it up. Ask and you shall receive from the sundries of Steve Albini's closet. Nothing like perversing through the archives of one of the most prolific engineers and purchasing a porno magazine for the nineteen seventies.

D

Oh my god.

B

Consider this my entry into the horror hogs list. He said y'all keep collecting neck.

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Girl.

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Yeah.

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Are you guys ready to see some h hardcore penetrative pornography?

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Yes, sir.

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Dracula sucks. But the novelization, adults only, full color. I am so very pleased.

B

But This is from C Velbini?

D

Stuff? It is. It's from Steve Albini's closet. Whoa.

B

Oh, you were just talking about that, the stuff that you're ebaying off. So this is his piorn, and now it's our piorn.

D

Steve Albini's home pure.

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Look at that cover, look at that beautiful Dracula sucks cover.

B

Dude, that's crazy. I saw this on a Instagram account. Wow. That's th that like just shows like red like covers from old pornos and stuff. Yeah. And I saw that and was like, Oh, that'd be so sick to own. And now we have

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I cannot believe. This is incredible.

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That's a good thing.

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Yeah. You it's it's all yours, baby.

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Thank you so much, too.

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Thank you.

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Fucking rock.

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This is a dream come true.

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That's amazing.

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Yeah.

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What else do I want him?

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Oh my gosh. I you know what? I this is the last thing on the list.

B

Dracula.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm done. I'm done asking for stuff. Thank you, Gail. What a what a what a treasure. Just to have anything from Albini's closet and to have it be porn and horror related.

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Yeah.

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Oh my god.

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I saw this on an account and of course like hearted the fuck out of it was like that'd be so sick to have. Just owes it.

D

Here it is.

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Amen.

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In your hand. In your hand.

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Lucky. Thank you so much for this generous, generous gift.

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So we are we've been talking and tys on the idea around here in the Scary Movie Research Center to have a smut room. Yeah a very small, very curated smut room. This sucker is gonna be we need to get a spotlight for it.

E

Right in the center.

B

Like a shadow.

D

A shadow box for it. I'm telling ya, there's no they don't pull any punches in this thing.

B

Dracula is hung like a horse.

D

Incredible.

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Oh damn, that's fucking cool.

B

Dude straight up whore hogs that rules. Thank you so much. That uh

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amazing thank you thank you thank you We're so pleased, as you can tell.

D

I wanna keep looking at this but I'll wait till you guys are gone. Let's hit this out.

C

Yeah.

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Sure it's mostly porn, but my

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I mean we might talk we talk about things we love uh all the time here, but this This is over this is above and beyond.

B

'cause like I knew that existed in the world, but didn't think that th anybody would have a copy floating around for us. I also didn't realize that Mr Albini had it in his closet. You were talking about Mr. Albini's closet in one.

D

And I might have talked about that because I was like I mean, I'm I was fortunate enough to get to work with the man and meet the man and yeah he w once he was he was extremely generous. He had a stack of records that he had made for a party by his old band, the army. Just a two piece band. Um and I was like, What is this? He goes, Oh, that's a record we just made for some friends and stuff. You can you can have one.

Just gave me one. Shit's worth a lot of money. Um but it was uh he was very generous with the records he made and very prolific with how how as many as he made. So I was looking I'm like, okay, what if I wanted to take get something from his collection, what would it be? And I was snooping around. I'm like, whoa whoa, this thing. Whoa. And I started looking and it had like a few pages. I was like, oh wow. Blushing. Yeah. I need to close this window immediately. I need to clear my history quick.

Um it was uh I it was too much for me to buy. Yeah. For sure.

B

mister Perlot was also the the dude that sent us the fucking amazing the goalie, the gooey.

D

Oh my god.

B

Oh yeah.

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Prized possessions.

B

The knife fucking cat gooey that

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Yeah. I love that thing.

B

In uh yeah, as well as other stuff. He's I mean he's been a patron forever.

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Thank you.

E

Hell is daddy. Satisfy.

B

Yeah, dude. Sugar Daddy Gale is uh Is yeah, our loved one and we love you, buddy.

D

Thank you very much. Oh, that's so nice. What a big

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What a what a what a way to start this episode.

B

I did not expect it.

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I'm excited. I was I was bummed before but now I'm excited.

D

I was like, oh no, another record.

C

Who

B

I I wonder if you sent it in the record box to throw us off.

D

It's the perfect it's the perfect size for it. Oh my gosh. That rules. That's amazing.

B

Does not suck. Even though Dracula does.

Local Business Shoutouts and Book Recs

D

I love it. And I brought that book back for everybody to read, by the way. The Confessions of a Pupmaster is here for you to borrow. You know where you can get that? The word horde emporium of the weird and fantastic in Petaluma, California.

E

You don't say.

D

Yeah. And you can get ten percent off if you go to weird and fantastic dot com, get confessions of a puppet master.

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and put in

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Midnight in the checkout box.

E

Might as well get it now because we're probably gonna go on a band run here pretty soon. Yeah. If Josh starts picking them again. Right.

D

I'm ready. Like let me loose.

E

Dare you?

B

But you can also use that discount code in the store. Yeah. I was just in the store on Saturday. I was

E

Dude. Tell me about it.

B

I well I was like so pumped'cause I went in there as always and I'm just like, Oh, oh.

D

Oh, oh, oh.

B

So I was like, Oh Ross, I'm gonna take a photo of some of this stuff'cause I just wanna like show our listeners uh people like just a small little sliver of a taste of the kind of stuff, especially that are like horror adjacent or full on horror. Yeah. That they have in like literally I I mean I think I showed like maybe like eight or nine books and there's like entire huge walls of just amazing shit. There is so much stuff. But like I I uh there's a they had the original like creep show.

Like movie comic thing that we have one over here too, but like there's that which I didn't even realize that was being reissued or whatever, but it's awesome. It's super sick. the newer creep show comic stuff book that's like, you know, yeah um graphic novel thing. And then there was like there's a new VHS horror book, I'm forgetting the name of there was a book about horror or feminism in horror.

E

Yeah, that's when I have my eye on. I saw when I was there last time. Looked s looked real good. Yeah.

B

Yeah. So I mean dude there was so many there was one that I threw in there which wasn't super horror but very adjacent for me was like uh two hundred and twenty two cemeteries a sea before you die.

D

That's awesome. Yeah.

B

Golden and there was like so much other cool like tons and tons of cool shit. There was a one about kind of the new horror stuff, like Blumhouse and all those companies that are doing stuff now. Um and then just like oh there's oh, there was a a book that I almost bought, which I probably will go back and buy but Um we need to tackle eventually. We've been talking about it for years, but it's a about all the sleep away camps.

E

I almost picked part two this week. Yeah. Oh I was this close. That was my number two pick.

D

I don't know if we have.

E

We haven't done part one.

B

No we've of course we've addressed them here and there, but remember we've

E

Because we've made the the fucking white switch.

D

We're gonna do it but we wanted to have we wanted to kinda have a special person.

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Or a couple of things.

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'Cause I I did almost pick two this week though, for sure.

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Well I mean you did jump the shark on the today's p pick anyways, but we'll talk about that in a second.

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Well I love it.

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Yeah, totally. Um, but yeah, I mean there was so much good shit there. Uh they were having the sale as the Memorial Day Memorial Day weekend and there was like a ton of cool stuff. Sidewalk stale style and there was a ton of people there and it was awesome.

D

Right.

B

Um I ended up buying a book about like me and Alyssa were looking at that was just like kind of about like making zines and stuff. So we're like, Oh cool, this is a cool book.

D

It's awesome.

B

Alyssa's been making a ton of rad zines lately and stuff. She's been doing all this rad photography.

E

Shout out your wife one time.

B

Yeah, Alyssa Rumrill, uh R Alyssa Rose, like yeah, she's and she's actually gonna start like a new photo page pretty soon'cause she hasn't really had that ever. Great. And she's an amazing photographer. And so yeah, huge shout out. She's got all these rad zines she's been making. Uh a couple of really cool ones from the Folsom Street Fair.

Cool. And then some other cool ones from uh this um this camp that she goes to this which camp she goes to and it's really fucking cool. And so um it's called Pleasures of Beltane and there's like mm uh zines for that and stuff. So really, really cool stuff. Um

D

Is the is the ghost zine sold out? Or is it

B

Yeah, that was yeah,'cause she did one that was like a collaborative one with like Photos and posts.

D

Yeah, I bought a copy of that.

E

I contributed.

D

Yeah, you guys are in that one.

B

Yeah, she's in like something for like Baba Yaga and like uh then she like did like a hecatasine. Um there's another goddess or something I'm forgetting right now.

D

So great.

B

She's doing a ton of that zines like making stuff, some really cool fucking zines. So like she was kinda like thinking about some other options and this hat book had some really cool, like inventive ways of doing different types of

E

Fantastic stuff. So use that discount code.

B

They just give it to us'cause it's us.

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So

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Yeah.

B

Yeah. Or just say our names or Forever Midnight or anything in the

E

And of course uh they have a website.

D

Mm-hmm. Weird and fantastic dot com.

B

And where are they located?

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The twenty two hundred Petaluma Boulevard North, Suite eight oh five in Petaluma.

E

If you're local, definitely go there and check it out. But if you're not local, hit up that website.

B

Have so many good books that you will want, and the plus they they publish their own books. There's a bunch of really cool titles that they do with awesome authors, and you should definitely check those out as well. Um, and yeah, tell

D

We sent you. Please do. And also a sponsor of the show is the Next Record Store. Yeah. In Santa Rosa, California. Um, our town. And uh it's the next record store.com. Same deal, ten percent off if you put in forever in the checkout box.

B

Yeah. You can also use that in the store if you're in town and you're on check that out. Holler at them forever and you'll get a discount.

D

The greatest record store in the land. Um amazing stuff all the time. We I had I had just some other people hollering some listeners that said they were buying records from there and and yeah, it's great.

E

As you should. That's that's where you would go.

B

But get a discount somewhere and

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Yeah. If you have a record of mine you want to get, go there first. It supports us. It's a independent business full of great folks.

E

Yeah, money's going to the right kind of people.

B

Exactly. Same yeah, totally like same with Word Horde, like these people are are legit folks, like minded like us and they're very, very cool and uh knowledgeable.

D

Absolutely. Yeah, they're they're the greatest. So yeah, check them out the next recordstore.com if you're looking to buy a record. Uh check them out on Instagram as well, The Next Record Store. Uh they have a they have a horror movie section that's curated by Shiboys at Forever Midnight. Um it's uh they got D V Ds, posters, shirts. CDs, cassettes, records, everything you want. It's great.

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If you're in Sonoma County?

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That's it. Thank you.

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Thank you, thank you.

Introducing The Exorcist 3

So what so what the fuck were you saying?

D

What kind of shit were you talking about?

B

Yeah, you were saying you jumped a shark. That's all. We just we we are doing

E

Was do you mean jump the gun or jump the shark?

B

Jump the shark. I mean kinda jump the shark, jump the gun. We jumped over an episode. Um or um jumped over a movie.

E

Yeah. I I think I think it might might might be the right call though. Yeah.

D

I think that's a good thing.

B

The right call.

D

I think it's the right call. As much as I love it. one of the greatest movies in the world. But I've seen it so many times that and I would love to see it again, don't get me wrong, but I like seeing new shit. So I'm excited to see one I hadn't seen.

B

Yeah, we could act out the exorcist. We've seen it so many times. Like it's definitely like everyone's seen it, everyone knows it.

E

S B sucking its ween, for sure, but but It's uh it's worth talking about. It's it's one of the best.

B

It is. And it's someday we should probably do.

D

Yeah.

B

Should dip into part two, but we'cause we all know it's dog shit.

E

Well, yeah. Thought I thought better of it. I do I do have a sort of a soft spot for her because I like Linda Blair. Sure. I just I just think she's cool. Yeah, yeah. But uh

D

I once caught a ha like I've might might be mentioned on the show a long time ago, but I did catch a few like a late night showing of it on TV of The Exorcist Two, the Heretic. And I remember being really gross and like really violent, like people stepping on beds and nails and nails going through feet and really bugs and kinds of crazy.

E

There's definitely a lot of bugs, yeah.

D

Yeah.

B

It sucks. I never watched it.

D

It might suck too. I don't remember. I remember it was like it was like graphic and it got me. I was like, Wow, that's gross.

B

Like everyone just seems to like want to distance themselves from it. Everyone that worked on it.

D

Who directed that one? Was that Friedkin, I wonder?

E

I don't think so. I think he he dipped out after the first one. Yeah.

B

Uh and then he almost directed this one but then there was some conflicts so you

E

But

B

But this is part three.

E

Part three. Jumping in part three. Which yeah, it was supposed to be just called Legion, not Exorcist, but that was kinda mandated by the studio.

D

Yeah, they're like, What do you mean it's not called the Exorcist Part three?

B

How are we gonna sell this thing? Yeah.

D

Well I think I mean and this is written and directed by William Peter Ballatti, who also wrote and directed the Ninth Configuration, which we talked about a little bit. Yeah. Most of the same actors are in this movie. Sure. So Jason Miller's in this movie.

B

But he's only directed that and then this. Yeah.

D

Is that it? Those are his feature linked movies?

E

Of course wrote extracts.

D

Yeah.

C

The roll.

E

Very religious themed.

D

Right.

E

That's just that's his that's his zone.

B

Which I especially lately have been very much like over. But like we're when we're like coming back to Exorcist, kind of like to me it's like that's where the jump off point is for any anyways. So like why not kinda lean in? It's fine, you know. And this I mean

D

Fine.

E

I mean I mean it feels it feels like f for this movie especially it just feels like God's pretty absent altogether. Oh yeah. And it it focuses obviously on uh evil. More evil doings than just like trying to win over this guy's belief. through evil and and dastardly deeds. Right. And God just kind of I don't know, he's non ex not non existent, but he's just not he's absent. Yeah. Yeah.

D

He made the Bahamas. He can hang out there as much as he wants. I would be there too if I could. Yeah, you think we're made in his image? Nah. The Bahamas are made in his image.

C

Ha ha ha.

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Years ago.

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D

Death is

G

So kill. Satan grows stronger. You believe in possession, Father? He has found a haven.

D

Come to take a little blood from your father.

G

He has taken possession. The boy been crucified. His web widens. I've just never seen anything like this in 20 years. Inside this cell. The killer drove an ingot into each of his eyes and cut off his head. Inside a man. Who are you? I am no one. A man we thought had died. eighteen years ago.

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Inside with us! NEVER GET AW

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is back.

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The Ninth Configuration Comparison

E

It's a weird one, man.

B

You've seen it before.

E

Okay. Which was a m major mistake.

B

Okay.

E

You don't wanna see this movie as a young person. This isn't the movie you're going to see when you're like, I wanna see a fucking horror movie. I'm gonna watch a bunch of old g fucking moldy oldies.

B

Talk about it. Sure. I love it now. Yeah, nowadays.

E

Back then I w not so much.

D

you should see the ninth configuration at your earliest convenience. Okay. Because it's old guys telling and some of the same old guys telling this very similar. They're just quippy. Yeah. Just a lot of quippy conversation, shorthand. Is it comedy? I don't think so. Is it trying to be? I think it might be. Is it is it hitting the mark comedically? Not for me.

E

And I should rush out and see this.

D

I say this. If you love this movie, there's so many similarities to this movie as they're in the configuration. There's s all the psychedelia, some there's some absolutely amazing shots in both of these movies.

E

In this one for there's definitely amazing shows.

B

Have you seen this?

D

Never had no.

B

Okay. I've seen this but like in the last like probably ten years I saw.

D

I had never seen it. I I knew that Brad Durf was in it. I knew that Jason Miller, who played Father Caris, is in it. And like out which is also crazy. But I didn't I'm like, we all know that motherfucker died and they in in the first movie. That's wh what the whole movie's about. Like

E

W no I think the n was another studio note, right? Like we need to get hit someone else back up in this bit.

B

Well'cause

E

'Cause no one else has returned. Yeah.

B

So there there was a bunch of lost footage because there was a there was a like gonna be a director's cut of this and then it it was lost.

D

Okay.

B

And they made it. Like he made it before he died. Like literally a year before he died he made it.

D

Yeah.

B

part of it today. After I watched the regular version of this. But It's horrible because it's like VHS fucking like

D

Quality.

B

But so it's like does that thing we've seen in other movies where it's like, Oh this looks killer you know.

D

Like Sandful Dwarf.

C

Yeah.

B

But but uh It's interesting because

E

That version that father cares, right?

B

No.

E

That's what's so weird.

B

No no, he just wasn't involved at all. And then the studio was like, uh and I guess part of the problem is he's like an alcoholic. And like can't really memorize big long fucking like

E

To Brad Durf, yeah.

D

Yeah. Well that's another thing too. Like you look at him in this movie And he passed away at age sixty two in two thousand one. So that's eleven years earlier. That means he's only fifty one in this movie. He looks like he's seventy eight.

E

Years old.

D

Yeah.

B

And that was before we seen like possession eyes and stuff. Right. Like just how he looks, yeah. He's yeah, he lived a rough one. He got tossed down fucking one million stairs.

E

Yeah, see how good you work. Yeah.

D

I don't think he really had to go down the stairs for the move.

B

No, that's that's what happens. Uh you know if you

E

Yeah, back in the 70s, that's how you did it.

B

He's like, You're going down the stairs.

E

Yeah.

B

Yeah. That's fucked up.

E

Uh gunpoint.

D

Yeah, of course he did. Yeah. Jump jump fuck face or you get shot.

B

I was watching the guy go down the stairs in this one'cause they like showed like a r a re whatever of it. And I was like, damn, how many fools have taken a fucking header down that fucking set?'Cause like obviously it's stuntman, of course. But like how many times have they done that now?

D

Right.

B

Or in like and you imagine how many takes or whatever?

D

And they took they had one where a camera went down the steps.

B

So dude like Fucking gnarly. That stair set is humongous.

E

Right.

D

Bouncing off the room.

B

Yeah, yeah.

D

The railing for the yeah.

B

Cannonball rolling down it. Snowball.

E

Yeah.

A

Yeah, he looks fucked.

Dourif, Scares, and George C. Scott's Role

E

But Braddurf saves the fucking day with his performance though.

B

But also like I I think the the the call was good to have Miller in there for

D

I fully agree.

E

From what I understand about the the director's cut, the theatric cut's better.

B

It seems like that.

E

It's totally better.

B

Yeah.

E

Having that dude back, having Karis back, even if he couldn't remember his lines and intercutting with with Brad Durf is strange. Yeah. But I I think it works.

B

I think once you realize what they're doing works fully. I think and I

E

Harris is is the body and then like uh Brad Durf is like the spirit, the Gemini killer is like the spirit that's inhabiting him. Once you get that, it's like okay, I'm I'm I'm bored with this. And and the batshit crazy ending. Yeah. I like it.

B

And that was all added.

E

And and I I know I know uh dude is is a bummed that they had to do that and he thinks he made like a a lesser movie because of it, but I I think it's a better movie.

B

Yeah. Well they I mean I think they wanted to even like reshoot it without him. I think he was like stepping in. He's like, Well if we're gonna do it, let's do it, I'll do it. And I have to say, like, for somebody who's only directed literally two movies, I think this is fucking good. Yeah. I honestly think

E

Amazing shots.

B

Yeah. I think it's well directed. Like there's some fucking bad shit stuff in it, but

E

And and one of the greatest all time jump scares, we know that, you know.

B

Favorites.

D

Right.

B

The nun or the fucking.

D

Oh yeah, that was great. I was talking about the guy the really funny one where the nurse is like kind of going around the bed and then the guy just jumps out. What are you doing? I can't get

E

I mean it's it's out scene, but like it's the later part that's that's the winner.

B

You do think that like oh they got me with this fake one. Right. And you're your you're all of your

D

That was pretty great.

B

You're all you know, you're like, oh, oh. And then right when you get calm again is when that fucking shit happens.

D

Really good.

E

It's really good. Really good.

D

And there's a few. Like there's a few just n just the way that he uses the noises and stuff. I mean, there's a lot of absent things you would expect to see return. Like uh no no Pazuzu face, no like.

B

Is there gonna be any possession stuff? Like or like

E

Yeah, it wasn't even about that. No. Yeah.

B

So like that whole thing was like we got oh we need an extra so they like brought in that father mourning white haired guy

E

Okay. Yeah, that that felt funky and shiny.

D

Oddly.

B

'C yeah,'cause you George C. Scott never acted with him until that last scene. When he sees his fucking

E

Yeah, but they don't set'em up, either just like show'em for one scene, this bird dies, and then the next thing he's do given an exorcism, like what? Yeah. Who is this fool?

D

Does he have any fucking lines or only a a couple? Yeah.

E

Well yeah, it doesn't seem like they were setting that up at all. But yeah. I still I s I'm still grateful for it'cause it's kind of fucking tight.

B

The whole ending is bananas and you're just like, What the fuck? And it's gnarly like when his shits all getting peeled off the ceiling and

D

That's pretty crazy.

E

It finally cays off. I mean, that's more in line with what you're kinda hoping to see. Yeah. Instead of a bunch of old oldies as fucking chit chatting. It's good. I mean good. I think the dialogue's pretty good. The acting is fantastic. Everyone's everyone's kinda crushing in this movie.

B

I don't even like George C. Scott really, but like he he does a good job.

D

I I love him, but he's a raging cock.

B

That's just a and and also like I was I had to look up because I was like, Oh, how old was he in here? He's got like a teenage daughter.

A

And like

B

D was sixty three when he was in this, so like

D

God he looks not a day over eighty.

C

Ha ha ha.

B

And I was just like. Yeah. Is there a movie where he looks young?

D

Like, he's always so fucking mad.

B

Always mad. How did you not have a heart attack from like twenty five?

C

Ha ha

B

Like you're just t like so wound tight.

D

Yeah. And everything everything we see him in, like the changeling, he's just so fucking I mean, that's why he's such a great actor,'cause he's got he'cause he's he looks he's a loose cannon. Yeah. Yeah. All the men are loose cannons.

B

Jesus is supposed to be the cop.

E

He's the cop and that and that's and the other guy was his his buddy.

D

Yeah.

E

Father Father Dyer is also from the first movie. Both played by different actors.

B

Yeah, that couldn't get, yeah.

E

Well the other one guy died, the detective guy died. And that's why they got George C. Scott. But uh they the he just it's a very different vibe he's bringing to the table.

B

Sure. Yeah. And you're supposed to kind of just be like, All right.

E

She's like I'm supposed to know these are the same characters'cause they they don't really explain anything. You just have to remember what everyone's names are, which is hard to do sometimes.

B

I think it's done well enough though that you don't even need to see one or two to like enjoy this movie. I don't think so.

E

We definitely know you see two.

B

Well then they kinda they don't like

E

I think it helps us to have seen one.

B

They don't like discount it. And I sure yeah it does, but like it doesn't have to be. Like if you kinda everyone

E

It does stand on its own.

B

culturally know about the exorcist and kind of know, you know, okay, this fucking exorcist thing happened.

Sequel Context and Gemini Killer Lore

D

What the fur before I ever saw Psycho, I saw Psycho three. And psycho four. I never even saw Psycho. No, was it where I saw Psycho 2 and Psycho? I forget which one I saw. But I had never seen the actual Psycho. It didn't matter. Yeah.

B

You're pulling that curry bark.

D

doesn't matter

B

Watch two thousand seven.

D

Exactly. Like like like my boy Curry Barker. You don't even need to s I like he hasn't seen the Texas Chance on Mascur first one and he never will. No, he probably will. But I they'll probably pay him to do it. But I I I don't think people need to see the exorcist to know what's gonna happen in the exorcist. Yeah.

B

That story, like it kinda has a little bit of tied in with that, but really it doesn't. Like it's it's about the evil continuing.

D

It's not the same demon.

B

Well it is, technically. I mean it's

E

It's not Pazuzu, it's the Gemini Killer.

B

No, but the the master is probably Pazuzu, right?

E

I'm assuming it's the devil.

B

But isn't it?

D

Ja, ich glaube so.

C

Yeah, but...

D

Lil Devil or Big Devil?

C

Ha ha ha.

B

Because he keeps saying the master when you assume that's the that's the big guy.

E

Yeah, I don't think it's Psuizo. I don't think it uh he has anything to do with it.

D

Because they have

E

'Cause Keris took Pazuzu in and then killed himself, so didn't that

B

Yeah.

E

Yeah. Get rid of Pazuzu.'Cause they then they the master whatever put Gemini Killer's soul into Keris later after he'd already uh expired.

B

Well or he was just about expiring, right? He was saying his body was just leaving and as he slid in.

E

I'd like to see all that by the way.

B

It's in the fucking.

C

Yeah.

E

Is that any good?

B

No.

E

Because there's so much stuff they just like talk about, like describe the scene, like, oh, then we his head was chopped off and they had these things in his eyes. I'm like, show that shit. I'll show it. Let me see that shit.

D

Well they do show uh stuff like that eventually in like a dream sequence and at the end, you know.

B

That's the stuff that they added.

E

That's something happening. Yeah.'Cause like you don't see you don't see any of the the the I think the pre set of were g got murked. Did you see like a sheet and then like a fucking finger you missing? Right.

B

But there is a shot and I I I th supposedly in the director's cut I looked for it and I didn't see it, but it's supposedly of the one that was in the confessional, like holding his head in his fucking headless body.

E

Love to see that. Right. Thank you.

B

So

E

And it and they they dig up Karis's body at some point or they try to and right in the director's cut?

B

Uh I didn't get that far if that happens. Okay.

D

It looks you know, maybe the shit look like hell. And so you're like Let's par it down, make it to only the shit that looks good. What about the fucking what about Joker?

E

Joker statue thing. Yeah. I don't know if it was was it meant to be the Joker or it just that looked like the Joker?

B

That has more in the in the director's cut. There's more of that statue and there's more s that scene and so.

D

I mean I like seeing it for a second. It did sc it did get me.

B

It's on the side of like this other shot where you kinda like don't really catch it and then you kinda see it. Yeah. But I love all the headless statues. Oh my god.

D

A couple of good dram scares with the with those Jesus statues, yeah.

Surreal Moments, Hospital Oddities, and Ceiling Lady

E

Did you see fucking uh Larry King McLean King? Yeah. What the fuck was that about? Oh yeah, Sam Jackson.

D

It's funny. Yeah. I was like, that's Samuel Jackson. Then I'm like, no, it's not his talking about.

B

It's weird. It's fucking weird. And Fabio and fucking all these weird fucking Like what that's like But I I like I dig that weird scene, but it's also silly as fuck. And then what are you doing just being like, uh let's get Fabio here as a fucking angel? Like let's get fucking Sam Jackson here, not use his voice. Like what's wrong with his voice? He said motherfucker too many times on that point.

C

Ha ha ha.

B

Uh it's it's weird. But that that scene like is fucking sick'cause everyone's got their fucking head sewn back on. Uhhuh. They're fucking the two little people carrying stuff. There's all ki like it's just

D

Kid with his eye with a dead guy contacts.

E

Is he dreaming this or is or is he at like actually in the afterlife for a second?

B

I thought it was a dream, but

D

I feel like it was the it was a dream.

B

I don't know. Anything can happen in this movie. Crazy astral projection in Sand.

D

That's it's very again like I was very excited to see the ninth configuration. And then I was I when I got done with it, I was like, all right, it's got everybody I ever wanted to see in a movie. It's got Tom Atkins. It's got Jason Miller, it's got the same guy it's got Herschel from fucking Walking Dead in it as well. of these guys and then

And then it's like all of them riffing like that. It's all of them like having that dialogue where they're all so comfortable with each other. It's like it's so scripted. It's trying to be not scripted. Weird. And you're just like

E

Please.

D

Please cut to something else. Please cut away. And then they do to like the like Jesus on the moon. crucified with like astronauts. They're like, wait, what the fuck am I looking at now? Weird. And then you're like, okay, I like that Ken Wrestle he kind of Yeah. Surrealist shit. Give me give me more of it. And then that's that's really what makes this movie work for me, is that it's got so much crazy psychedelic shit in it that you wouldn't expect to see.

E

It it's fun because it's the rest of it f feels very grounded and real and just like police procedural and then yeah, then when something fucking weird happens it's it's extra kinda like what the fuck? Right. 'Cause they don't set that stuff up to be.

B

Yeah.

E

'Cause it just feels extra unnatural.

B

Yeah. Also it's weird to get see like George C. Scott in some weird, surreal, like crazy world, you know, like some weird dream or a fucking whatever, other plane. Just'cause like he's such a like Just like a I don't know, an old dude. There's some old fucking white guy.

D

Even ten years before he was this same age. In fucking the change lane. Yeah, he's so fucking crusty and old. N and then like a six year old daughter. What is

B

Don't you usually retire in your sixties? Not that I'll ever know.

C

Yeah.

B

I mean, I'm not sure.

D

Is it like m if you're lucky?

B

Yeah, if you're like let's say let's say back in those days.

D

Oh yeah.

B

We don't that doesn't fucking ever work anymore. But like let's just say back then when people could actually retire at retirement age, it was like sixty.

D

So you're on the police force? Hopefully so, f in your sixties.

B

Dude, this guy's 63 and you're still fucking on the beat? Get the fuck out.

D

Right.

E

He loves it though.

B

Nurses.

D

Yeah.

E

I love screaming at people.

D

That nurse had almost cut his daughter's head off with a pair of scissors.

B

Dude, that's so fucking sick though.

E

She's from fucking Stargate with shout out nineties kids, whatever.

D

Yeah.

E

Yeah, yeah.

C

Mm.

B

Yeah, and those, those, like,

D

What why?

E

It's fucking amazing.

D

I was like they're gonna cut someone's hand off with those.

E

Joink that girl's head just right in time. Dude.

D

It looked like it was there was there should be some slices.

B

That's why I thought like when she is getting pulled away, I thought it was Lee's gonna cut her like so she'd be like kinda bleeding out.

E

No.

B

That lady was crazy. And she also that was what was weird. We have all these actual real pe real old people. That woman was probably forty with some fucking Texas Chainsaw grandpa makeup piled up on her and like, there's like a whole hospital full of old ladies over here.

E

Fantastic. I mean that lady with the radio, that whole dude that whole lady doing the pruny shuffle on the ceiling.

D

Incredible. How did that not go anywhere?

B

it went. There's a movie called Legion that came out.

D

Mm-hmm.

B

With the guy that plays fucking uh

E

Not this legion. Not this legion. Another legion.

B

A different legion. Two thousand something. I'm forgetting the date right now. But the guy Paul Bettney, he plays the uh Wanda Witchy Woman Wanda from the Marvel movies.

D

Okay.

B

What's what's the fucking guy that with the little crystal

E

Uh, I don't remember that day's name.

B

Oh my god. Anyways, Paul Bettany is the the had fallen angel and he's at this fucking truck stop. It's like saving trying to save all these people from like a bunch of evil fucking shit.

D

It's a movie.

B

It's a movie. And it's kinda cool. There's some cool shit in it. Doug Jones is in it. There's some cool shit. But that fucking scene of the lady on the fucking ceiling, fully fucking yoinked and added this. Old lady calling the fucking ceiling.

D

Really?

B

Yeah, I was like They fucking straight up had to steal that. And I went through the trivia for the actual movie we watched, nothing, no peep of it. I was like, What if I go to the Legion movie went there and sure enough they're like, Oh, this is like a nod from fucking

E

'Cause that that worked so well, I thought it was great. Such a spooky, weird ass fucking scene.

D

It was'cause she didn't drop from the ceiling, she didn't even drop any like Yeah, why not? Why is she up there?

E

Who fucking knows'cause it's weird.

D

It's'cause it's weird. I like that it's weird.

E

So weird just when she the shot from above when she like just turns her head so terrifying. I'm sorry, that's fuck that'll fuck me up as a young person.

B

Totally. That's like I mean the the baby in fucking uh train spotting that's doing this.

E

i thought about that too

B

It's also very terrifying. Yeah. It's like there's something just weird about yeah, you're not supposed to be up there. Crawling around. I love it. I fucking love it. But I loved it when I watched another Legion movie. Which I did see before I saw

E

This leads to the movie. Oh damn. Which is funny.

B

Yeah.

Setting, Cameos, and Dahmer's Dark Affinity

E

It's pretty pretty cool, man. It it is a little snoozy. You gotta be in the mood to sit and really watch and hear people talk at you.

B

And I'm usually not so much, but tonight I completely I enjoyed every minute of it. Great.

E

Yeah.

D

So this is t all takes place near and around Georgetown University. Is this Pennsylvania? Is this New York? It is New York.

B

It's Georgetown. No wait. No, I thought for a minute I was thinking...

D

I'll show you what I know about college.

E

What do I know? What the fuck do I know?

C

Yeah.

D

Washington D C

B

Georgetown. Oh yeah, but well that would make sense because That actually just takes place in DC, right?

D

So it takes place in DC. Uh and it's and I believe what uh William Peter Blatty went to college at Georgetown University as well

B

So did Patrick Ewing, who's also an angel in this movie.

D

Right. That's who that was.

B

Yeah, yeah. Basketball player.

E

Yeah.

C

Ha ha ha.

D

That's fucking ridiculous.

C

Why though?

B

Exactly. Why Fabio? These people. Larry King is just in the restaurant himself as himself.

E

Just yeah, for two seconds I'm like, Wait, is that like oh it's gone. Yeah.

B

Was he just the happen to be eating there and they're just like leave him?

D

Or they're like going to be in this third exorcist movie? Sure.

E

Maybe. Was he anyone back I guess he was already. Yeah, he's already somebody.

B

Yeah, it's a good

E

It's very strange.

B

Or was he just like passing by and he's friends with somebody and like, Hey, you wanna be in this thing for a second? Sure. I need a steak. Like

D

What one free steak?

E

So strange.

B

I know the fucking Latter King's not passing up. Yeah. I really think it is.

A

It is good.

E

It is good. It's different. Yeah. I I do I do like that about it, that it's just such a different vibe. Yeah. You know, not it not even trying to be the same movie in the slightest. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I like that. I kinda I kinda like when when the sequels are fucking weird and different and have just have a different perspective on something else and just come from a different j even even sometimes a different genre they're pulling from.

B

Yeah. And it's cool'cause like he wrote'em both. But like

E

Yeah, so there's connective tissue. Yeah.

B

Yeah. But it it's rather he just decided to go like I'm gonna go fucking hang a hard left and like do some other weird

E

Do you like all the Zodiac killers?

B

Of course.

E

Stuff the kind of they're alluding to.

B

It's al it's always funny to like to hear him being like, Jim and I kill it'cause it's just like We know what you we know what you're doing. Yeah, but it's still cool, whatever.

E

Or how Dahmer used to watch this fucking movie all the time. You saw all that shit, right?

D

Domaries watch Exodus three.

E

probably know about this.

B

It's his favorite was this like it's one of his favorite movies.

D

Oh my god.

B

'Cause he would drug his victims much like the victims are getting drugged in this. And as he's killing them, they're somewhat alive and like can function, much like the people in this movie. And he would watch this movie with them as the dogs are taking effect.

E

Yeah, while he's waiting for it to kick kick kick in or whatever. Dude.

D

That is say that's not what you want when you're trying to go on a date with a guy.

C

Yeah.

B

Well, that's what I used to just be.

D

Uh wait, how about we watch something else?

C

Ha ha ha.

D

That's a red flag.

E

It's a horrifying premise though, that you are conscious

B

Is your heads getting removed?

D

Fuck. That's that.

E

Fuck all that.

D

This movie is it's miserable, but in some really great ways. Like it's like shit you would never want to imagine being spelled out to you by possessed as branders.

B

Duraf fucking stealing the goddamn show.

D

Yeah.

E

Has he never not fucking killed it and anything he's ever done?

B

He stood up like twice. Literally just talking at a dude and r the most scary shit in the fucking movie.

E

Did he win an award for this? Has he ever won an award? He deserves all the awards.

B

I know.

E

Everything. I've never seen'em not fucking bring it. Even like some piece of shit movie like Rob Zombies Halloween to

D

Really.

E

Yeah.

B

No, he's I mean he's a fucking treasure. Like literally a treasure that should be fucking awarded and like all the flowers and

D

Do you think the uh reference to child's play was uh improved reference?

E

I don't know. That's strange. And then there's a reference to the fly and the guy was f in the fly part of the floor.

B

Yeah.

E

He's like, Yeah, what's your favorite movie? The fly Oh what is this? Yeah, what are we doing?

B

And I'm gonna be like, what year did this take place? Like trying to be like doing that by

D

The fly two is a couple years earlier.

E

I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

B

The actor was in flight.

E

fly too. Yeah, he's like the main villain. But yeah, then he says Charles Play what the fuck is

Meta-Jokes, Hospital Smoking, and Crusty Characters

B

But then they flip panda that redhead kid that looks like

E

Do you know from freaked? I know who that kid is. I know from Hook.

B

It's so funny'cause he looks like Chucky in this, like fully fucking red haired little

E

Hey are we m is this a joke? Did we just cut to a joke?

B

That's what's funny.

E

Like meta joke?

B

There's these weird things in this that are like they're almost too silly. Like you're going like way too silly for how serious you were just talking about holding a man's head up to his body because he can still For twenty seconds you can see.

E

Yeah.

B

And you're like, oh that is play and then show this little fucking redheaded kid, you know, like

D

All the jokes and inside like nods and there's no reason to have Fabio and Patrick Ewing in this movie except to be like He said to make the audience go, huh?

B

And it's like it wasn't like oh Fabio's in the fucking background. It was like bunk like

E

Look at camera.

B

Full fucking just like, oh dude, move your you're the only one on the screen right now.

D

Yeah. Oh hey bud, sorry you got murdered. Talking to a little kid like

B

Yeah, that's so weird like holds his hand for a second and then just takes off. Sorry you got murdered. What? Fucking weird. But I'm also

E

Bizarre for it. Bizar. It's cool. It's so many weird characters, man. That nurse who just seems like such a bee for no good goddamn reason.

B

Such a nurse she's like the nurse from fucking uh

E

One flavor cook is there. Yeah. Yeah, her she was that she was interesting. I like the dude with Herschel from fucking Walking Dead, even though his scene was super weird why he's like some weird sa Satanist or something, but a doctor. I d I don't know what that was about.

B

Like helping him out and stuff.

E

I just the weird way he was like kept smoking his cigarettes and just like would never like not take a breath without a cigarette. I was like, the fuck is happening?

B

Well I love a hospital scene from the n eighties and nineties, whatever, anywhere in between, but like they're just lighting up cigarettes, smoking, walking through this is where the fucking crazies hang out.

E

I'm dying to smoke right now from watching that movie. I wanna sing. I wanna hold it all weird. I wanna do the whole thing and talk with the smoke coming out your mouth. So cool.

B

It's just weird

D

Just smoking in a hospital is insane. Yeah. But that was nineteen ninety? You people were definitely smoking in the hospital in nineteen ninety.

B

How do you way way probably a good six or seven years after that then maybe you weren't allowed?

D

People were definitely smoking on planes in their mid nineties when I was taking a lot of planes.

B

Me too. Which is b uh there I re I'cause I remember flying when there was still ashtrays in the fucking

D

Yeah. Sometimes you get on an old plane, there still is you're like uh

E

So get those signs, no smoking.

B

कर दो

E

What the fuck? Just so you know, the shit's been gone for generations now.

C

Yeah.

B

How old's this plane? Let me get off real quick.

E

Yeah, so this is still my wheelhouse, nineties, yeah. I still did it.

D

It's a good movie and it's and it's interesting and I kinda like movies that are just crusty old people talking anyway. Uh yeah.

E

It's kinda it's it's refreshing, you know. No one's a no one's a Hollywood hunk in this, you know? These are bunch of fucking old moldy oldies and fun to look at.

D

Yeah, no one's reasonably tempered in any way. Everyone's out of their minds.

E

Oh everyone's fucking

B

insane how like off like just like someone will say something and the guy will get kind of tore And if the person says it just one more time.

D

Agreement.

B

One more time, I'm gonna fucking lose it. And you're like, dude, how do you have a kid? Like I can't imagine like having a kid when you have that short of a fucking

E

Well he's never home, it seems like that's a good thing.

B

He's just fucking smacking people in this hospital. That's I was like, dude, how the fuck does he explain that end? Like how like not only did you shoot that guy twice, you fully fucking just shot him twice.

D

Three times.

B

And then what are you supposed to say?

D

Oh sorry I had to.

E

Devil made me do it. Right. Yeah. No, he's he's filling that room. They're taking him out and putting that dude back in there. That's his room now.

D

Someone's gotta live here.

B

But everyone will be weird.

D

Do me a favor, explain also the peeled priest.

B

Well I don't even know if the pill priest like it seemed like he wasn't even there at the Well, it seems like he worked for a second. everything like clean like all of sudden everything was kind of clean the battery shot.

E

I mean the floorboard was back, right? The floor was there again.

D

Oh that was wild that scene. That was

B

Four million dollars.

D

Yeah, it looks like a four million dollars worth of movie.

B

Because it's like you're like, is the floor breaking with each lightning cloud?

D

That was wild. Just loved it. Hell of lightning comes through.

B

Then a bunch of ghouls fucking raise up.

E

I like all the snakes. I like all that shit. It's so fucking weird.

D

There's a scene of the trailer that maybe I don't remember it being there where it's Jason Miller in a straitjacket in the room and his face is changing all kinds of crazy ways. And I don't

E

They didn't he didn't like the w the effects for that, so they took it out.

D

Sick on the trailer.

B

Well there's that effect that happens when George C. Scott gets slammed against the wall and it's like this weird warping that's happening. It's fucking sick. I'm sure it's probably super easy, it's probably the fucking thing you use for the video. A little fucking. That's amazing. I'm like that's fucking dude, that's a million dollar effect right there. It's probably do with uh like us with the people.

D

That's a thirty dollar effect, in fact.

C

Yeah.

B

But like I was like, dude, that is fucking sick. That looks legit and crazy.

D

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it gives you that like something you don't see in movies. Like just have like warp the whole thing. It looks sick.

Visual Effects and Theatrical Cut Improvements

B

There's something about too that they weren't doing this in the the director's thing too, and I think it really this had like has to me so much weight in the way that it carries these scenes, but like We see him switching between, you know, where we he like it's Father Karis and it's obviously the Gemini killer. So like when it's when it's Brad Dorf, we're seeing that. But Brad Dorf's Is changing the whole time.

D

Oh yeah, that's good.

E

You're like warping it, making it low.

D

Very much like Reagan's was in the original one.

E

Then he was chucky for a second.

B

You're like some old lady, like there's like it is so cool because it's just coming in and out of all this weird shit and you're just like this is fucking making me feel weird. I don't even know what's happen you know, it's just like

E

Yeah, the sound design in this movie was pretty top notch. It really like throws you off a lot of the time.

B

did a disservice to myself by watching it with subtitles because it would do like low growling, you know, and you're just like Uh I c and it wasn't even it would be like early, you know, so you're like, Oh dude, you're like

D

What? Spoiler alert. Yeah, I know.

B

Yeah.

D

Yeah. But if you are vit warned about it then it's like it's not there anymore. This the spook isn't there.

B

He screams that time and he's like I can do that pretty well or whatever.

E

Yeah, which followed by a joke, it's like this is f weird and terrifying and then he just like cracks a joke.

B

No one in the hospital thought that was weird. Yeah. That you could make that weird sound that's unworld like uh you know

E

Tell me how confused were you guys when they were switching bodies like that?

B

Between the two of them? Yeah. At first I remember the first time I watched it, I was like, wait, what the fuck? And then I was like, Oh, like when did you

E

Eventually you get it, but I first like wait what?

B

Yeah.

E

He was gonna have him be Keris the whole time and it's just Brad Durf like that that doesn't track.

B

Yeah, well'cause it opens up the director's cut.

E

Yeah.

B

Brad Durra well this also is weird to me.

E

The Gemini killer, I mean I guess.

B

Gemini Killer is but it's not. So The whole time Brad Doriff is Father Karas. Right.

E

Right, exactly. That's that's confusing as fuck. So it is kinda better that they got Father Caris, the actual actor.

B

Hundred percent.

E

Yeah.

D

It wasn't that they wanted an excuse to put Jason Miller in the movie, so they wrote in that it was Father Karas. They were trying to say that Brad Duriff was Father Karis.

B

He was a whole time.

E

Yeah.

B

I d Jason Miller. Was his name of Jasmiller?

D

I believe so, yeah

B

wasn't in it.

E

He was playing f yeah, father care.

B

So so it opens up with George C. Scott sitting at the morgue. Father Caris's George Brad Durf's body on on a stretcher or like on a fucking slab.

D

Uh

B

reason at the morgue, which is a place that I normally thought you would just go with a body, they have his brain hooked up to all these like things so you can see if there's any kind of like whatever, right? Like there's any kind of like activity. Uh-huh. Wouldn't you wouldn't that be at the hospital still that you'd be doing that?

E

Yeah, I don't I don't I don't think they do that.

B

And and I was like this is

E

I think yeah, I think the go to the morgue once you're already dead.

B

It was really it was really fucking weird and I was like, okay, this is already weird because it's just Brad Doro. No that it's Father Keras that fell down the stairs.

E

Yeah, that that that doesn't work. I I like that the switching between like okay, yeah, the Gemini killer. I get that. Yeah, I get that now. That's that's cool.

B

But I think the scene earlier could have happened where he flips through the Gemini Killer folder. And his picture of Brad Durough. That could have maybe been before that, I think. And you see Father Caris and then it flips and it's

E

Yeah.

D

I think it's too late to edit it a little bit. Just wanna guess a couple of things.

B

Like push that maybe up just like twenty minutes. Yeah. But you know, once you get it it it's it's cool, it's effective. I was I thought maybe when I first saw it was it was it the Bye. The Gemini the Gemini killer, which is possessing like the body, was showing himself to be Father Karis to fuck with George C. Scott. Right. Could they were homies. So you're like

E

Yeah. This will this will throw him for a loop. Right.

B

If I've talked to him like this, you know, could

E

Yeah. I would have liked that better than him just actually bringing his body back from near death somehow and re it took him what Years to get his brain working again. Yeah, what? That's a good thing. So he's just been chilling in here this whole fucking time? Yeah.

D

Well that is it like that. If this was not an exorcism book to begin with, then I feel it is more of a book about Like and it's a cool idea. And I think there's a couple of movies that do this cool idea, like a killer that can jump from body to body. Like spirit like you know Astral possession.

E

Did you just coin that? Maybe. That's great.

B

Ha ha ha.

D

Maybe I didn't though. No, I think you if you had, that's fucking brilliant. That's a list. Yeah. Astral possession, yes.

E

That's our our movie.

Possession Themes and Hannibal Comparisons

D

Um but that th if you can you know, a killer that can do that is a sick idea. There's another the movie with John Goodman that did that a long time ago in the nineties, I forget what it's called, but

B

But it's sick to like have a dude who's out of his fucking mind evil in a straitjacket in a cell still killing people.

D

Yeah, exactly.

B

That's you know.

D

That's a great idea. And just sending sending like putting weird old ladies in nursing outfits and and then sending them to other people's houses and shit.

B

How crazy like he made that lady Or he was the lady, I guess, uh doing it, but like drained the guy of all of his shit all his blood and then just put him a nice little fucking

D

Just so you could cut the head off without there being a drop of water.

E

Insane.

B

He's like, That's showmanship. I'm like, that is showing

E

Yeah.

D

You know what this reminds this very much reminds me of like and I think not only in the idea and the quality of the writing of it, but like the quality of the sequel as well is uh the Hannibal movies. Like The Exorcist is one of the greatest movies of all time. Silence of the Land's one of the greatest movies of all time. The author wrote all the books that are sequels, the same with Bladdy, um different directors every time, of course. And they are batshit.

A lot of the time. And but they do have things like Ray Leota eating his own fucking brain. Yeah. Where like you want like that's a crazy idea no one would ever want to see in a movie. Or no one or ever you know, unless you're us. And then like

to really spell it out too. Like to tell him he's eating his own brain, to cook it, to like have him savour it and forget things at the same time. That's what the fucking thing like the head to cutting the head off without all the bl like all of his blood is there, not a drop missing. Yeah. And then explaining just having a guy in a straitjacket explain how he did it by squeezing your body. But he didn't have to do any of it. He had someone else do it. Right.

B

He's not leaving the room.

D

Yeah.

B

Fucking it's it's awesome and it's fucking terrifying. Really?

D

That's terrible. But again, it's not the original movie. It has should it has nothing to do with it. It's it's a more elaborate in a weirder way. It's entertaining as fuck. Like it's a it's I love hearing all the detail of it and like, okay. All right, now I know. Yeah. And now I'm Jeffrey Dahmer and now I'm gonna do that.

E

in her head.

B

Yeah.

E

Some old friends. Some old friends. Uh huh.

D

Yep.

B

Yeah. Senior citizens. Yeah.

E

People are I like that they're already like checked out, right? So it's easy to possess them. Yeah. Thirty dirty kind of half empty vessels.

B

Right. Now, dude, speaking of half empty vessels, how dope was that dude in the wheelchair flashing the lady nurse?

D

Zooping around. She's like, oh.

E

Yeah.

B

I was like that guy ruled.

D

That's happening every year.

E

That guy on the ceiling just going whoop people.

D

Come on, Perry.

B

Hanging balls above Jorcey Scott.

D

They just drooped down.

E

Just see it come down. Just a sh a close up of George just just a sack just lowers Tea bags him from the top.

D

Dude, that is worth that's worth a CGI. Someone CGI that. George C. Scott just looking around a hospital and then have a sack descending upon his upon his quaff.

B

It's so funny to me when there's things like that that happened.

D

There's a missile missile nuts.

E

Missile camel toe.

B

Don't you think that if you were in a room you I regardless of how high that ceiling was, if there's an old lady crawling on the roof, don't you think you would notice?

D

You'd think you would.

E

Well it was a tall so you

D

If I see a a a moth moving on my ceiling, it's gonna direct my attention to it. If you see a full grown person

B

Well you like do you only have one vision?

E

She was behind him to be fair.

B

When he was doing it, yeah I guess.

E

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D

everybody else

E

And then there was no one else. I mean, they're all fucking checked out. They ain't they ain't paying attention to shit.

D

Talking fake radios.

E

They don't know nothing. That that scene is so fucking great. I knew I knew you were at the radio guy. Amazing. I love all this.

B

Yeah.

E

We talk about all the time how we'd love these fucking hospital people doing their crazy bits. I love it so much.

B

This one is one of the better ones to be honest. Like people aren't acting s like so like'cause you normally they act

E

Oh there goes.

D

You know it forever midnight we love a loony bin, but I love it when there's when it's it's realistic when it's a subdued loony bin. Yeah. And I know that loony bin is the proper nomenclature in twenty twenty seven. And I stand by it. I stand by it.

B

That's because we're gonna be there soon.

D

That's because I'm booking in my own room at the Looney Bin right now.

E

Yeah. I'm working on my ceiling climbing.

D

Yeah.

B

It's funny'cause like since they have the loonies in Canada, I wonder if Looney bin is like a different like whole thing.

D

I I m I brought you a little balloony bin.

B

Oh sweet.

D

Twelve loonies to start.

B

Are they still using the nieces?

D

Looney's in tunies, baby. Yeah.

B

Okay.

D

Inflation. It is developed.

Future Movie Picks and Poltergeist Talk

B

I'm stoked you picked it.

D

Yeah, I'm I'm so glad I got to see it. I've been wanting to see it for a long time.

B

And after a a lot of stinkers it's it was nice to have like a a play.

E

Yeah. Yeah.

B

It really was like and then it made me be like, I should probably pick a good movie next time. Like not like

D

Not me, maybe.

E

Well

D

Gotta keep the level. I gotta lower the curve.

B

Well I start writing the list and it'll be like a like a m a good movie, Suspiria and then I'll be like, Oh, but Ratman this movie.

C

Ha ha ha.

E

Move that to the top. Yeah. Fuck. Like Josh said, it is fun to see shit we haven't seen before. Like all the good ones we've definitely seen and we just be watching them again. But sometimes it is refreshing not to have to sit through some stinky pilot.

D

Yeah, I feel like there's a there'll be a time coming up where we're like, you know, it's been years since any of us seen the Exorcist. Let's do it.

E

I I'm always on the watch actress. I love it. Always a pleasure to watch. Which one? I've watched a few.

B

Oh, great. Well there's I know there's one that I think I saw that was like that lady like the the footage of her fucking fully breaking her fucking back and shit when they like do the whole room thing. Oh yeah. I don't know if that's in all of the documentaries, but one of the documentaries I saw like but it was like more about like people getting fucked up and stuff and things like that.

D

Well there it certainly was that like cursed films thing was extra

B

Maybe that's what I'm

E

Is it Chris Films? Yeah, but there's like a really good like um uh freed kitten doc that all like all about the exorcist making it's fantastic. All kinds of good stuff.

B

Yeah, that'd be a lot more too.

D

Talk about sure. Yeah. Yeah.

B

Not that there's not a ton to talk about but it's just like everyone's gonna be like.

D

Yeah. You trying to forty five minutes, two hours long, Brian? No.

C

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

E

Eventually I would do do you want to do the second one? But uh Me too. I just I just uh I needed a good one. I needed a good movie to watch.

D

Needed the wind here.

B

Yeah, right. I've never seen part two. So of course I'm like I'm down, but I I just am worried that it's gonna be stanky.

E

It's a little stanky.

D

Legit movie and Linda Blair's great. Linda

E

Yeah, she's really good actors in it. For sure. It it's just I don't I don't know how to explain. It's just a little wonky.

B

I still want to see repossess. Fuck yeah.

E

I can't believe that they should have to fucking try to get this out first.

B

Right. They're like, oh fuck, they're gonna make this with William De Blair. Yeah.

E

I love that. We do gotta watch that.

D

Would love to watch that.

B

Yeah. We should do a month of those weird ones. The fuck Silence of the Hams, Repossessed, w what's the Dracula one with

E

Let's go.

B

Dead and loving it. And maybe one more. Just have a parody month, you know?

E

I mean it'd be fun I d for us. I don't know.

B

I'm always only talking about fun for us, you know?

D

I think fun for us is what this show's all about.

E

I mean it is. It truly is.

D

So look check that. Max Von Seido is in Exorcist Two along with Linda Blair, Richard Burton, Louise Fletcher of Nurse Ratchet. Right.

E

She's gr I love her. Yeah.

D

Um James Earl Jones. Ned Beatty? Yeah.

B

Sideout. What's his name?

D

Uh Max one side.

B

I thought he fucking bit it in the first movie too.

D

The his characters sure did, yeah. No, he didn't fall down the stairs. He died in the room. He had a heart attack. Yeah, right. In the in the room.

B

Yeah position.

E

Yeah, but they're they might they might do flashbacks because I can't really remember it now. I can't remember what

D

Oh yeah, maybe he is just in flashbacks, I forget.

E

Yeah, if you're gonna flashbacks. But I don't I don't remember. So I couldn't tell you.

D

Yeah.

B

I like kind of hopping over stu uh you know, we always are so like Slave to the like No, we have to watch one, two, three, four, five, and then we can watch six.

D

I I promise I won't hold anybody to it anymore. I I'm always like I'm always like a completist. But fuck all that. I

E

It's a fun idea, but we like you said, we everyone knows the exorcist. It's okay to jump to three on this one.

B

I don't think it means it's like, wait a second.

D

I like to grab I let us throw in a sequel out like just pulling off the shelf'cause that's not we we all everyone no one really sees the movies in the order they need to and it doesn't matter. Right. Like it d it doesn't matter. We've all came in watching different like parts of different series. No one watched none of us watched Friday thirteenth part one first.

E

No. I never I didn't watch the Elm Streets in order. Oh yeah. Not at all.

B

And also like you're talking about with like the side.

D

Yeah, I didn't watch a psycho once you know.

E

Yeah, and you still got it. You got it. If if it's a good movie, you'll still get it and still enjoy the ride. Yeah.

D

And uh hopefully like for a lot of our listeners, like it's just a shorthand to say like, Oh well, if I was to pick poltergeist two, we all know what poltergeist one is. We've all seen it a hundred times. And if you haven't and you want to refresh it, feel free.

B

Oh it's a pleasure.

D

But when I pick Poltergeist 2 for the next one, which I really would love to do, it's been so long since I've seen Poltergeist 2, and I'm dying to see it.

B

You won't complain?

D

Yeah. I mean that's one I I would love to see. But I haven't I mean I haven't seen it since shoot, I was in my I haven't seen it in

E

gentlemen, we haven't done that one.

D

No, we've never done poltergeist two.

E

Shut the f how how much have we talked about Poltergeist two?

D

We talked about poltergeist one and we've never done a poltergeist episode either. Granted, our fourth ever episode was interviewing Michael Grace, so

E

That felt like a poltergeist episode.

D

It felt like a porter.

E

'cause also poltergeists too,'cause he worked on that one as well. So that's probably why I think we've done it.

B

Yeah, because we talked about all the things.

E

Because we talked to the the guy who wrote it.

D

Right.

E

Michael, he was fantastic and we went in depth with him about all these movies. Yeah. So that's probably why I feel like we've done it. Yeah.

B

If you haven't heard that episode, you gotta go way back, but it is what?

D

Fourth.

E

Fourth episode.

B

We had the writer of fucking

E

Poltergeist one and

D

Poltergeist and the producer of Poltergeist too. Yeah, because I think he directed Poltergeist. Oh no, he didn't direct Woltergeist, but he did. Produce Bultergas too. And wrote And wrote, of course, yes, and wrote the screenplay. And fucking Cool World and all kinds of other cool

E

Yeah, movies I love. I love Cool World. We did we d yeah, we talked about it on that episode too.

B

He's awesome, super fucking cool dude.

D

Yeah dude, but we have never done an official

E

But we have to do that.

D

So we forgot one or two. We've done three.

E

Done three. That's our style. Jump right to the speaker three.

D

We've covered every Ghoulies movie. Don't like don't get it twisted. We will do Ghoulies. A series. But it's gonna be a dumb series.

C

Ha ha ha.

D

It's gonna be a puppet master or ghoulies. It's gonna be Charles Bann joint. Great pick, Jeff.

B

Yeah. Thanks for making us look good.

E

Yeah. Give me a break.

D

I did appreciate it. It was nice.

Final Sponsor Thanks and Merch Update

B

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D

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D

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B

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B

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D

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B

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E

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D

Oh got it I got a new one coming up. I got a new video dropping very

E

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D

I'm not doing any more dancing. No more soft shoe stakes. That shit was foolishness. But I'll do it for you, Brian. All right. I'll I'll leave it out. They'll do I'll do one I'll do one stupid dance for us.

E

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D

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C

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D

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B

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D

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B

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D

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B

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E

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B

Also Barnes and Noble's fucking using AI and bullshit these days, so

D

Fuck off.

B

Yeah.

E

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Yeah. Make a day of it.

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D

Absolutely. Thank you all.

B

And we thank you all for listening.

D

Mm-hmm.

B

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D

Absolutely.

B

And you should also check out Forevermidnight.store.

E

Mm-hmm.

B

Uh, this Friday, which is the day this is coming out, so as of right now, we're having new the well the old reanimator reissued pin that Jeff designed.

E

Mm-hmm.

B

Finally cut.

E

People been asking us for it.

B

So for years now. We've been sold that thing for years. And we uh reissued that one, that one's back, still limited to a hundred. Those are uh available in the store now. And we also have a a shirt that Jeff designed.

E

Oh we're so we're we're doing a a Poltergeist 2 bootleg shirt.

B

Speaking of all the guys too.

D

Well with the Giger art it's so

B

It's the sickest fucking.

E

If you guys haven't seen uh Giger's fucking concept art for Poltergeist, it's fucking phenomenal. So I whipped up a shirt with a couple of them little fucking creatures. And uh it looks fucking badass. We printed uh copy, I wear it all the time. I got my own shirt. I made I made a shirt I wanted to wear. Yeah. Whatever it comes down to.

B

And you all wanna wear it too.

E

You guys might want to wear it too, yeah.

B

Yeah. It's up for pre order starting today. You should go hit it up. It's a timed release pre order.

E

So what's on it? One and done, folks. Go if you pre order it, you go get it. But after that they're not gonna be available. Yeah.

B

Mm-hmm.

D

Absolutely. It's it's a it's an amazing looking shirt. It's like a punk rock fucking like heavy metal.

E

Looks hello metal.

B

Yeah. I like I've always wanted like Giger art on shirts, but I've never gotten anything. And like this is the dope.

E

Well what and what's better, it's polder guys though.

B

To take the best of things out.

D

Yeah, looks so good. Yeah.

E

Thank you very much. Yeah, I'm proud of it.

B

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D

Please do. Uh yeah, leave the leave review is awesome, but most importantly, just just share it with your friends. Yeah. Sure.

B

And go check out that Michael Grace episode. We got some cool ones with guests way back in the day, uh talking into some big way crowd.

D

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