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Ep -377: Dead Of Night (DeathDream).

May 22, 20261 hr 42 min
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Summary

In this episode, the hosts dive into the 1974 Bob Clark film, "Dead of Night," also known as "Deathdream," expressing initial high expectations but ultimately finding it a slow slog despite a few compelling final moments. They analyze the movie's allegorical ties to the Vietnam War, the dysfunctional family, and the questionable "zombie" protagonist, drawing parallels to the overused "monkey's paw" trope. Amidst the movie critique, they promote local businesses like Word Horde Emporium and The Next Record Store, discuss Brian's horror photography and Josh's music, and share a wild story about a "murder vehicle" discovery. A significant portion of the discussion is dedicated to the alleged plagiarism of their short film, "Night Drive," by a new movie called "The Passenger," sparking a call for listener support and legal advice.

Episode description

In this episode Josh leads the FM3 down a path the guys have travelled before...A sweet looking poster, a beloved director all wrapped up in some 1970's horror - "DEAD OF NIGHT"! What could possibly go wrong? After all, a disastrous trip to the Vietnam War has never looked so fun as the great times the family in this film are having! Their beloved one and only son has returned from death to sit in his favorite rocking chair upstairs annoying his dad, disappearing to shoot up that crazy drug blood that is all the rage and occasionally strangling his Father's favorite doggy. Plus He even drives like a bat out of hell, so folks watch your poor legs as this cool ghoul rips around town trying to find a shallow grave to settle down and call home! The Monkey's paw of the story is you wish for another banger from the legendary Bob Clark and instead you wake up from a mediocre "DEATHDREAM"!

Transcript

Intro / Opening

🎵 Music

Podcast Opening & Banter

A

Enough time for one more story.

🎵 Music

F

Why do I sound weird? Check? Maybe it was my voice.

C

Maybe it's my neck.

D

A tune up that throat. Could I give you a throw tune up?

F

Oh my god.

D

We're rated R show.

C

We are now You dropped two hard cocks at the oh I mean

F

What three?

C

Three. Three. And a hard? That makes it X.

D

If you say hard before cock? Mm-hmm. Just like I just did?

C

Yeah. Then it's that's double X. Well then it takes it back to just a regular X. Can you come to?

F

Extra soft.

D

Uh uh edit, undo, delete extra what I just said? What? Go ahead.

C

Yeah, I guess if you Yeah, we're back to just regular X. Andy Warren.

F

Okay, well I'm gonna give it a double extra soft and then we'll make it back to uh Family hour. Double extra.

C

Yeah. Hard R.

F

It's like tucked in.

D

Yeah. Away. It's safe the safest.

F

Yeah. Nothing and no one can hurt it.

D

You can see it.

F

It's

E

more scenes.

F

You have to take a plunger? If you want it out.

D

Or suck really hard with

C

Okay, we're back to triple X.

F

Okay, fair. Fuck.

C

Fuck myself. Wow, we're done it now.

D

Brian's got an idiot.

C

Yeah.

D

It's hot. It's it's'cause it's so hot in here. It's like a fucking sauna in this bitch.

F

is it's a few months it's normal, then it's like freezing in here. Like and then it's a fucking

C

Sauna. Yeah. For most of the time. Yeah. And then you know what though? Like I just walked over here. It is like fucking Wilkesbury to electric boogaloo out there. There ain't nobody outside.

F

And it's like bright and sunny still.

D

It's the best time to be out.

F

We do. We live in a ghost town. I mean it's past seven o'clock.

D

Everything shuts down.

C

Everything's closed.

D

Go to bed.

C

Starbucks is closed. It's six.

F

Even the flawful place is closed.

C

What? Yeah. Is it because it's Monday?

F

Probably. I mean everything's fucking close on Monday.

C

We're recording on a Monday, everybody.

D

Spoilers. Yeah.

F

Friday for you, so just pretend we record.

D

Oh yeah, this is totally

F

Friend Friday.

C

In your ears whenever you play.

F

Thank God it's flaccid.

D

Yes, sir.

C

And that's every day of the week, baby. It don't have to be Friday for that. It's Monday at T G I F

D

Welcome everybody. Yes, we're professionals. We're getting started here. We're going to roll.

C

We're warming up.

F

Since we're we were gonna record last week and we didn't, I had to take notes because I didn't want to forget the movie. Oh yeah.

D

Forgive it.

F

I did no I I uh

D

Yeah. I looked at the poster.

F

Which is okay.

Word Horde Emporium Sponsor

Let's take responsibility before we start talking shit.

C

I would love to. I would love to thank I would love to avert our shit talking as long as possible because I picked this horrible movie. And let's thank the Word Horde Emporium of the Weird and Fantastic in Petaluma, California for being a sponsor of Forever Midnight. Thank you.

F

The weirdest and most fantastic bookstore in all the land.

C

It's true. Weird and fantastic dot com to find out what they have available if you don't live in the area. But if you come to San San Francisco Bay Area, you gotta visit the Emporium of the Weird and Fantastic.

F

They have so many kind of books that we love, sci-fi, horror, fantasy. Oh my god.

D

Too many books. I wanna buy so much shit every time I'm in there.

F

So much good stuff. They have role playing games, they have toys, they have all kinds of fun shit that you want and you should go check'em out.

C

That's right. Weird and fantastic dot com or if you're in person is twenty two hundred Petaluma Boulevard North, suite eight oh five in Petaluma.

F

And you should definitely buy your books from them online'cause you can use discount code Midnight to get ten percent off of your order.

C

Yes.

D

Yeah.

F

You can also get that in the store, so if you happen to be in there, you can either uh use the discount code or just mention us.

D

Mm-hmm.

C

So uh you guys like uh First Midnight podcast? And you won't get ten percent off. But you have to sp you have to pipe in.

F

Yeah, speak up.

D

About time to get a new book for me. I need to go. I need to go soon. Dude, yeah. Get me something. They have such a crazy selection, like all kinds of different shit. Then always always something new that I'm like, whoa, I didn't know that was a fucking book. I want

F

I know. That's the thing'cause you kinda know you're like, Okay, I know these are the genres I like and then you'll see something you're like, I don't even know they made a book about that, but now I want it and

D

Yeah, they got like horror fiction, they got stuff about cryptids, they got shit about bones, they got shit about whatever the fuck

C

Then they got that nonfiction. They got the Charles Band autobiography and that whew.

D

You still read me from that, yeah.

C

I'm re I'm yeah, I'm just I'm just

D

So he's like he's like I found the the perfect book.

C

I did actually read something since and I read the Lionel Ritchie autobiography, which I would highly recommend for anybody who's a Michael Jackson fan.

F

Might not be able to find that at Wordhoard, but

C

That's okay. I'm just talking. I'm just riffing.

E

Yeah.

C

Maybe not at Word Horde. The but if you wanted it and you wanted ten percent off, they could get it for you. Yeah.

D

Absolutely.

F

They probably could check it out.

D

Charles Bandy we got from there for sure and you read that and you're hot.

C

I love it. I love it. And that was not one we even knew existed until we saw it there.

D

So sick. So sick.

F

Tons of good stuff. Uh you should go check them out. You should hit them up online. You should buy all your books from them. And uh we ask that of you because they support us and we would like you.

C

Support them.

D

Yeah. Absolutely.

C

Yeah.

The Next Record Store Sponsor

F

We'd also like to thank

C

The Next Record Store in Santa Rosa, California, eighteen ninety nine A Mendocino Avenue, um also the next record store dot com. It's the the best record store in the land, and I'm not just saying that'cause I work there. Right.

F

Right.

D

That also makes it even better. Right.

F

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that should be incentive for anyone in the land the the close vicinity to go see Josh on Wednesdays.

C

Hop in and say hi to me.

D

They started to add a bunch of new stuff there too. They got movies now and I think uh you said they got posters and they'll They're really up in their game lately.

F

All kinds of stuff. They have a great staff, super knowledgeable.

D

Great stuff. Everyone's so fucking cool and nice. I love going in there. Everyone's so awesome.

C

It is great.

D

of our friends work there, which is fantastic for me. Yeah. But good for you too, because they're fucking cool.

F

Yeah. They carry your guys' bands.

C

Stuff. They sure do.

F

Yeah well they will but the new with the new band they definitely will but they're definitely with old less state fault stuff they have. Yeah for sure. And yeah, definitely like they are killer sucker freak since eighty three.

C

That's right. Nineteen eighty three. So yeah. And I I uh yeah, it was it was my favorite record store when I was a kid, all the way up to my twenties and I started working there and I uh love it so much.

Soko Instant Photo Walk

F

Пока.

C

I love it so much. The dextricker store dot com. Uh ten percent off if you put the uh forever in the checkout box. Yeah.

F

Use that discount code, buy your records from them, buy your cassettes from them.

C

Compact disks.

F

Buy your videos from them.

D

Absolutely. I mean, shit is so expensive now. We could all use a discount. And here's one ripe for you, ready to go. Yeah.

F

It'd be stupid not to use it. So Yeah. Uh please support them. They're a killer and we love them and we thank all our sponsors.

C

Absolutely. Thank you.

F

Yeah.

D

Oh pretty good.

C

Pretty good. Yeah. Pretty good. Feeling good.

D

I got a little sunburn, we got some sore thighs because of Brian.

F

I rubbed him real hard.

C

Out in the sun.

D

Yeah.

E

Ha ha ha.

D

Um no we did a little photo walk. Brian d does these amazing uh instant photo walks. Uh it's not just inst in uh like Polaroids, but that's kinda like the main just correct me if I'm wrong, but it's for any like

photographers or people getting into photography. We just walk around like really interesting places in the Bay Area and take photos and just be art you know, just be creative together. And it's so fun. Get outside. Get outside. Yeah. You get to hang out with a bunch of really cool people. Everyone's super creative, everyone's super nice.

F

That's the thing about it.

D

That was fun.

F

instant film community and like at least the people even the aren't instant film folks that come to our walks like are super, super nice. They're super inviting. They're not snooty. They're like are helpful. They're like they're not you know

D

Oh my God, they're so helpful. And like a lot of the people like yourself are like professionals and like really good at what they do. And so it's really awesome to like talk w talk with everyone and get tips and they they're all so like helpful.

F

That's the thing is like I've been around other photography, like things like that, and then people are so snooty and they don't wanna like share their secrets or they don't wanna like or they talk down to you if you don't know something or whatever. And like all these folks are like the complete opposite of that. So people that are completely brand new can just walk into it and not feel like if like like, you know, shitty.

C

At this point.

D

There's ha lot of those kind of people too, like myself who I'm not a photographer, but I I come with my phone and I like have fun and I see some d some younger folks and teenagers are sh showing up and kinda getting into photography and doing really good stuff. Learning from from the masters like yourself.

F

I mean there's so many ra like I mean, yeah, there's tons of people on the walk that are just like such incredible photographers and artists and With it whether it be an incident photography or otherwise and and so like yeah, I I pretty much just like started organizing it to get at least one day a month that I can like hang out with people and geek out and stuff.

D

Awesome. So it's great. Uh it I fucking love it. I look forward to it every every month.

F

And if you want your picture taken. You will get your picture taken.

C

I was gonna say if you would like some rad pictures of yourself, checking for me and see it was lurking on Instagram and I everyone's got the best pictures on fucking Sunday night, Monday morning.

F

So funny'cause yeah, like uh like if you don't want'em of course y that it won't happen, but like if you were down to kid Tons of consent and like yeah, I mean but Is it's so funny.

D

Doesn't want a sweet photo taken of themselves somewhere rad by like a pretty great photographer usually.

F

Yeah.

D

So that's fine.

F

That's the thing is like it it won't even be like like the like you on the car yesterday, like there's probably six different versions of that, you know, that are like all rad, all different and like, you know, color, black and white, whatever you want in and like, you know, whether it be instant or regular film or Oh yeah. What we see in thirty five millimeter, that stuff like pop up in a month when it gets developed.

C

C V S loses it and finds it again.

E

Ha ha ha.

F

Now we go to underdog in Oakland.

C

Oh, good.

D

So where where can where can people follow that and find out more information?

F

Our our instant photo walk is uh Soko Instant Photo Walk on uh Instagram. That's like Sonoma County, Soko Instant Photo Walk and um give Yeah. And then uh we were inspired by my friend Brian who's been doing the SF Instant Photo Walk for like fifteen years now.

D

Here's like the longest running photo walk going.

F

Yep, in in uh the world.

D

So That's incredible. Yeah.

F

So

D

And that dude's super nice. He comes out to your your uh photo walks and he's super cool, super nice

F

Super like an incredible photographer, so knowledgeable. Like anything you want to ask him about, any film type, any camera, any like he knows his shit.

Phantom Macab Photography

D

What's great about this? Everyone I've met at this thing and they're all everyone's been great. Just absolutely so great. I'm just so happy I got to meet them in this capacity. It's such a fun way to like get to know people.

F

Well yeah, we kinda we you know, we have people to kind of filter in like new people here and there or like every once in a while people show up, but we have like a pretty cool core group of folks that'll show up most of the time. And so it's kinda cool now to kinda like know these people and stuff and like, you know, just like kind of have this cool relationship with people like once a month. We get to go hang out and see photos and explore some fun place and yeah.

C

And nearly get a shot.

F

Get kicked out of some place?

D

And to and if anyone's listening who uh is wondering why we're talking about this stuff and not horror, it this is sort of horror related because one you put it on and so we often go to spooky places, cemeteries or somewhere Somewhere with that kind of vibe, which is super fucking cool. Yeah. And Brian, if anyone doesn't know, takes really scary fucking photos. And you should guys should all check that out at what's your Instagram handle for for that stuff?

F

It is Phantom Macab, which is like Phantom or Phanto and then macab, the word macabre.

D

Mm-hmm. And absolutely gotta check that out. Give Brian a follow there. His photos are fucking so scary and incredible. And he's doing a lot some sexier picks lately, which has been really exciting.

F

I have more of that stuff just'cause it's it's a little easier than getting a bunch of prosthetics and stuff to handle.

D

I put it down.

C

Taking stuff off rather than putting stuff on is easy.

D

I I'm loving it. There's some kinkier stuff, there's some uh really fun shit and if you follow him on Patreon, which you absolutely should do.

F

Hell yeah.

D

Brian out, give him a follow, support my man Brian over on Patreon. I look for that shit every fucking week when you drop a new little something something I have never seen before, a little set that I've never seen that you can't find anywhere else. It's exclusive stuff and they're phenomenal, dude. Phenomenal photos.

F

Eighteen and over for sure.

D

Oh yeah, yes.

F

So the Patreon definitely is like

C

For your own.

D

We're talking some nudity, we're talking some gore, we're talking some scary looking shit. Yeah. Not for the faint of heart, but absolutely stunning photographs.

F

Thank you.

C

Believe it.

Josh's Music & Punk Art Show

Yeah.

E

Listen.

D

Let's do this to our own horns.

F

Bye.

D

Josh has a new record out. New Trust dropped a record this year. Uh E P which else you want to say about it? Come on, let's talk about it. It's fucking rules, Josh.

Sonoma County Punk History

C

Proud Last Fathers, check it out. It's on all the places you stream music. It's some of my favorite songs we've ever done. Uh Josh. Play based.

D

Songwriter for the most part. I know you all collaborate, but like we love Josh here. I know you do too if you're tuning in. You love Josh. Uh listen to his music. An extension of my man and his soul. It's fucking great. We love it. So good.

C

Thank you.

D

Well you're a fucking legend, bro.

C

Well thank you. I I'm gonna get I'm gonna do one other horn I've got one other one other one other part of this bagpipe I'm gonna squeeze.

E

Ha ha ha.

C

And I figured I've been forgetting to mention it. And it's um this uh art show that we put together here last month, and it's called Disturbing the Peace. Uh Sonoma County's Punk Underground and it really is

D

Earlier.

C

Early years of punk in Sonoma County from nineteen seventy five to nineteen ninety nine. We didn't put nineteen seventy five to nineteen ninety nine on the in the nut title of the show, but that's really what it is. But uh it A really interesting, crazy immersive show filled with like uh audio list videos. It's got exclusive videos you'll never see anywhere else of like Green Day playing Piner High, of all these like essentially punk moments throughout.

all the history of of punk rock music in Sonoma County. And the way that we would do it here is fucking weird and different. And it's interesting to see it all in

F

And there's a lot of history here with like that's like people will know, like names

C

Oh too I mean it's not just bands from here, it's also the shows that happened here, bands coming from out of town. So

D

But we still have a lot of local legends from this area that have done amazing shit. Josh included. Josh's all up in this motherfucker.

C

I'm all over the goddamn walls. It's a little embarrassing but I think maybe

D

No, it wasn't.

C

Gabe, who curated the show, didn't put himself on the walls and put me in his place every time he thought it probably put myself here, but instead I'll put Josh's band here.

D

Yeah.

C

But I mean, you know. It's true. And during that time I was it's not that I was doing the most things. N at least not the I wasn't going as hard as I did in the year two thousand and above, but I was in the most bands.'Cause I was in like a a couple of those times I'd be in a band for a year and then we'd crash and burn and but the it was it was a it was a bright burning year every time. So there those pictures are there. Not to mention like

D

You're also beloved in the scene, man. Like thank you. Uh everyone knows you, everyone loves you, uh, everyone wants to support you. So it's it's hard, it's hard not to want to just put your stuff on

C

Not everybody, but the sp most most everybody. Thank you. Please.

F

All the people that matter.

C

Oh I agree. I totally agree.

D

I don't know any I don't know anyone that talks shit about Josh, so like it it's almost drives me crazy. Plenty of people hate me or who whoever I'm around, but no one says a bad word about Josh ever.

F

Ever.

C

But bur during the part of the show there was some people talking shit. And they're on those walls too.

D

This guy again.

C

Well this motherfucker they get to the par show like oh I wanna relive my youth and like this motherfucker's all over the Same shit they were saying in nineteen ninety eight too.

D

All right.

F

It is it is really cool and like it is super unique because I don't think that most towns that have this kind of a history would have done the show like that.

D

I got one thing on the wall.

C

How about that?

D

I just made

F

Yeah.

E

Yeah.

D

My time I'm a little younger so my time came a little after, but yeah.

C

It's true. I mean I'm I'm also like I mean I I'm the right age to have been doing it at that time. That's all it is.

D

No, it's fucking great and it's so cool. You guys should all check it out. It's here in Santa Rosa.

C

Yeah, it's called uh disturbing the peace. Um it's at the s Museum of Sonoma County, which is right downtown Santa Rosa.

D

This is this is an installation that I wanna fucking see. This is gonna get people there. Like this is kinda shit I'm interested in.

C

The first time the first the opening night was the biggest night they'd ever had as far as attendance goes. For sure. And it was like all these people showed up to celebrate

their their time in the scene to see what it was like in that time and get reminded of it all. But no one could see the fucking walls because everyone was packed. So it was like they everyone's like, I gotta go back. So every weekend it's been packed. It's been crazy. There's also there's a stage with like instruments plugged in and every weekend there's a s someone plays a sh a set.

F

That's awesome, yeah. I've seen gay playing in there.

C

Then and those guys have played in there.

F

Yeah.

D

You can do that? I'm gonna fucking a band up and get your dudes in there. Just go down there and just fucking rip it. Yeah.

C

You gotta pay to get in, but still. Yeah.

E

Yeah.

C

But it is it's it's an amazing thing and it's it's going until um August twenty third, twenty twenty six. So if you find yourself in town, if you find yourself in the area, please come check it out. It's it's a blast, it's inexpensive, it is a really fun show.

F

Yeah. We had a friend of the podcast that was like randomly in town. His girlfriend and his friends or family or something's here. So they were just walking around. And they stumbled upon it, completely didn't know about it, and they were super pumped and so hyped and were like, We just saw the show. And I was like, Yeah, I was gonna tell you to go see that show.

C

That's great.

F

So it's like, yeah, it's it's uh something that is I think even for people that don't live here, it would be impressive to check out and uh very immersive and cool.

C

Is. My part in it was I was a designer of the show, one of the designers of the show. So I got to immerse myself in the creation of it and put those giant posters and stuff. like print those out and it was wild. It's a wild it it was an overwhelming month, but I'm so happy that it it came out as good as it did. So check it out. Uh uh Museum Sonoma County, it's museum sc dot org slash punk. Yeah.

Gabe Maline's Kindness

F

And it I mean it sounds like if you say that to somebody like, Oh, it's this punk show. I feel like people might think that it's done in a very punk rock way where it's just very like haphazard and like DIY, which that's that.

C

It is half a

F

But it's also it's so well curated and done that it's like it's a legit museum show. Like it's a legit

C

Really well thought out, thanks to Gabe Maline and uh and John who manages the the museum. And it's it I mean, it was their ideas and their was it's it came out I'm so happy with how it came out.

D

Is a fucking peach by the way. Holy shit. The other day, like a couple of weeks ago, I was having some car trouble. And I I I needed tools. I had no tools. I had like a piece of like dragging under my car. And so I I was close to Brian, I'm like, Brian I I'm coming to your house. I need I need some tools. So I pull up to Brian's house and uh we don't know anything about cars. So we're try

F

I'm holding a hammer.

C

Yeah, we're

E

Like.

C

What about we just smash?

D

We're looking at this thing, we don't know what the fuck to do. And then Gabe lives right next to Brian and he's coming out of the house dressed nice, nice clean clothes. He's looking good. He's got a bag over his show. He's ready to go somewhere. He's going to meet somebody. And I have to meet him.

Hey man, can you help me with this car? I don't have tools. And like a fucking sweetheart, he just gets under my car and starts working on this thing in his beautiful clean clothes. Somewhere yeah, somewhere has to be doesn't make me feel guilty about it, just gets under there. Sorts it out for me. I fucking love that man.

F

He diagnosed the problem and he fixed it or like fixed it for temporary. Yeah. For you to be able to like drive home and shit. And like it was just like, yeah.

D

What a fucking piece of the yeah.

C

He was such a...

D

And

F

That's that's game, man.

C

I'm gonna start to go ahead.

Softcursed Music Video

lives for that shit to be that kind of helpful dad s style. Well so I was lucky. Yeah, he's he probably thanks you. He's like, Oh thank you for making my day a practical help for stuff.

E

Ha ha ha ha.

F

I was just gonna go ride my bike and see somebody.

D

Well, I wanted to just give him a shout out. He was actually going to meet someone at the museum that at that very moment. So

C

And he's given tours there, uh he's I mean he did what last weekend and it was I mean, if you're gonna go and you can follow the uh the museum on Instagram or follow Gabe on Instagram, Gabe Malin, go when he's there.

D

Yeah.

C

Because you will learn every cranny of that place if you go when he's there.

F

'Cause he had his hands on everything putting it.

D

Exactly.

F

Like he knows.

C

Yeah, you thought about it nonstop for a year.

D

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I just want to give him a shout out. I really appreciated that. That was cool. Yeah. What a homie.

C

Forever homie.

F

Also, I don't know if you'd recorded since, but your new video came out.

C

For the

F

Oh yeah.

D

That's right. You also worked on buddy. So yeah, uh I have a new band, if you guys don't know, Softcursed, uh at Softcurs Band on Instagram. We uh made a music video very DIY uh I got to direct it and edit it'cause we we really weren't we're gonna pay for a fucking professional to do it. So we're like, nah, we'll just do it ourselves with our phones and like just get into it and I'll just fucking learn the program and edit it together. My first go at it, by the way.

And I I recruited Brian because he's a fucking fabulous photographer, so I'm like, I knew this guy would make shit look good. Got him uh on the camera and my probably my favorite shot fucking Brian did, where you just like had this over the head shot that you just like, hey, what if we do this?

Fucking so sick. Like it's this moving over the head shit. It was so cool. That was all Brian. He's a total genius. So that was great. Yeah, and it's it's out right now on YouTube. Soft curse. Uh song's called Ghost Prism. Please check it out. Just give it a give it a look, C C See my first go at editing.

F

It's great. I think you did a great job. I really think like it doesn't feel like there was no money. Like it feels like that you made it to look like that. But not that we had to make it look like that.

D

Yeah, you I'm I'm hoping you can't really tell I was just shot on an iPhone.

E

I don't know.

C

Talking about in Jeff, it's professional looking.

D

Yeah, for sure.

F

You know, twenty eight days or twenty eight years later, part of that was shot on iPhone. So

D

Mm-hmm. That's true. Right. And I have seen professional vid quote unquote professional videos that look way worse than what we did.

F

Oh dude.

D

I'm I'm I'm too my own horn is a little bit but

C

Yeah.

F

It feels like it has energy. Like it ha There's so many bands that like sound crazy and then they're just up there all fucking doing nothing. You're like, What is this? Like what are you guys doing?

C

It rips, dude.

F

like the song, there's energy and it's got momentum and it like it's to me I I yeah.

C

And I'm I'm one of the few lucky few that got to hear the whole goddamn record and it slapped.

D

Phew.

C

You cannot wait to see it.

F

Yeah. And like people are coming at me like, Oh, like'cause I'll repost it or whatever and they're like, Oh fuck, this is awesome. I never even knew about these guys. I'm like, Well they're they're a new band. But they're like, No, this is fucking sick and like this is super stoked and then And then they'll be I'll be like and also listen to State Falls'cause it's three of the four guys on that.

D

That's most the same thing. Yeah.

F

Uh we're doing a different thing.

D

Different sound, that's why we're a different name under a different um title. So

F

And it's yeah, it's fucking cool and uh you should definitely check it out. You should also pre-order the album. Please. Uh the artwork that Jeff did on the fucking album cover is not

D

It's insane.

F

So sick. Talk about photography, dude.

D

Hey, I'm uh I'm inspired by y my man Brian here.

F

You like one day you were like, Can I borrow a skull? And I'm like, Of course I have skulls, you know, like sure.

D

'Cause I have a real skull. Yeah. We could use that.

F

Yeah, we have that. Yeah. Slight soft curse on that. Um

E

Yeah.

C

You saw through whole band.

F

But um no yeah, you're like hit you hit me up and I was like, Yeah, cool, whatever and you're like, I'm gonna shoot some photos I was like, Cool like can you know, I'm like, I don't know what you're gonna do, but cool. And then you like drop these fucking amazing fucking photos, dude, where it's like so cool.

C

Like

E

Thank you.

F

I want to get the album just for the artwork, but of course the music slaps too, so I'm it's like win-win. But like I'm just like so hyped on the

D

Coming from you, that's a huge honor. Photos are fucking incredible. Thank you.

C

Have you did you put the back cover up too or no?

D

I haven't no, I haven't I haven't shown the bag.

C

It's insane.

D

That's where most most of the the other work went.

F

And I know I mean you're you're a great designer so I I m can imagine it's gonna be dope. But the colors, like the way you like the the cover look. Fucking dope.

D

I w I went to Josh and had him uh zhuzh it up a little bit. I went to the I went to the Real Pro and

C

I just sprinkled I just niced it up a little sprinkle. Not much.

D

I want to give him a shout out though'cause he deserves it. I I'm just so proud that I have my boys helping me out and just they're always down to fucking clown with me. So thank you guys so much. Dude, this fucking behind the scenes photo of you and we ha I wanted to do this dolly shot and of course we didn't have a dolly so I just threw Brian a cart and pushed him to get this fucking

C

So it's still bright.

F

We've throw a little blanket on it to make it a little more comfortable.

D

But you got this great shot of you on this cart still holding the camera.

C

Superman.

F

Sticking out like twenty feet.

C

It's so good.

F

Splendidly and it was like yeah, it was just funny. We had like Dan the drummer pushing me and like

C

Join me.

D

It worked. It worked great.

F

I love it. It's like one of my favorite parts too, just be with that where it's at in the song and

C

That shit looks like a million bucks.

D

So yeah, if you're here for the show and if you're fans of us, these are all the other things we also do. I know we've gone on for about a half hour now about all sucking each other up. I just don't want to talk about this movie.

C

I get it. I get it. But I'll tell you also what.

E

Yeah.

C

Not only is this the shit that we are doing right now, and if you are fans of the show, maybe you want to check it out, but this is just the shit we did this month.

F

That's true.

D

All true.

C

Yeah.

F

Right.

D

Yeah. That's that's that's how we fucking roll.

E

Yeah.

D

That's how we do.

Podcast Updates & Patreon

C

So if we miss an episode, we're sorry.

E

Yeah.

C

We meant to be here.

E

Yeah.

F

So

D

Yeah.

C

Yeah, we uh yeah, certainly tonight.

E

Yeah.

C

I feel like a kermit.

D

It's a real it's a real suck fest right here. Sniper on each other. Whatever, we're friends, we all love each other.

C

It's fine.

E

Ha ha ha.

C

And thank you for listening.

F

on your end right now No, because you know you you live

D

No, I love you.

F

You're our friends and you're sitting here with us. You're listening to us.

D

Yeah.

C

I knows there's some listeners that were there on Sunday. I know that.

D

There you go.

C

We have our homies are our homies.

D

No, we have the bet we have the best listeners. They're so supportive, so fucking cool. I dude, we're blessed. We are beyond fucking blessed with the folks we have listening to the show and tuning in. Yeah. Homies and the people we don't know and people we've met through the fucking show. Holy fuck. And I'm I've had some of the most amazing folks through the show. Yeah.

F

Oh fully. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

D

So cool.

F

And we have like, you know, our patrons, which are our fucking bless most hardcore fans and friends and like we love them so much And um yeah, we couldn't

D

Obviously wouldn't be here if we didn't have have these folks uh doing what they do over on Patreon for us.

C

I think I think that's certified truth. Yeah.

D

Yeah. So if you wanna get on Patreon we have exclusive episodes over there. We're not sucking each other off, we're actually talking about horror movies.

C

Sometimes we saw for that too.

D

Well I mean there's there's some sucking and fucking but either.

F

Top tier.

C

Yeah. Extremely exclusive. It's still on my phone. I haven't put it up there yet.

D

But for real though, like uh if you want to go over there and uh support us that way, that would be great. And we got video content up there now. Yep and we're working on more stuff coming.

F

Every every public uh channel episode there's a video on Patreon exclusively there. And then also every Patreon episode'cause we do an exclusive Patreon episode every month. There's almost a hundred now. And those all the last like couple of months are starting to have videos now too.

C

Right. Exactly.

F

There's video content you can see us sitting here and talking and hanging out with

D

I think today.

F

And sweating. But uh yeah, so definitely join us over there. It's Forever Midnight uh sorry, it's patreon.com slash Forever Midnight. Yeah. And uh we love all of our patrons and we thank them so fun.

D

And it's and if you're just tuning in, I swear we talk about horror movies. This it's just not this episode.

G

Yeah.

F

Yeah, that's...

Introducing Deathdream (Dead of Night)

C

It's just like it's like a it's like the home shopping network.

F

Yeah.

C

Virgin.

F

Sometimes we pick a humdinger and it's all of us who are guilty of this. Sometimes we'll pick a humdinger and we just don't want to talk about it.

D

But let's talk about it.

C

But here's something too, this movie I'm gonna go ahead and say the reason I chose this movie is'cause I heard some people whose opinions I respect adore this movie.

D

I mean, when you were uh describing it to me, and you're like, I want to pick this movie, and this is why, and this is why, I'm like, fuck yeah.

C

I know.

D

Let's do that fucking movie.

C

Expectations are the curse.

F

Is that very high personally. Really?

C

But nineteen seventy four? I mean the way hold on, that's your favorite movie we've made that yeah.

F

No, I like I like the year. Uh like and Bob Clark, the homie. Come on.

C

That guy? Fucking amazing.

F

He has a flavor.

D

Legendary movies.

F

On all sides of the fence, horror or not.

D

That that's that's the testament of a real filmmaker to do all those fucking genres. Yeah. Right.

F

Two of them? Two of them. From both sides of the fence. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

D

Come on.

Bob Clark's Filmography

C

Bob Clark, who of course was as you probably know, made Black Christmas in nineteen seventy four. He also made a Christmas story in nineteen eighty four.

D

Which you see all day long on Christmas Day every fucking year.

C

And he made this same movie in nineteen seventy four, the same year he made Black Christmas, and it looks like he spent all of his attention on Black Christmas.

D

You can tell they made in the same year. Yeah. This this took like a month.

C

Hey, soldier, where you headed?

B

Come on.

C

Come on, hop aboard.

B

What does it say, Danny?

🎵 Music

F

He's home.

B

I didn't know Andy was home

C

Is that Andy?

G

Joanne doesn't even know he's home yet. She'll be so surprised.

B

But Andy wouldn't kill anybody.

🎵 Music

E

We're all right.

C

I can tell.

B

The boy went away to fight a woman. A man came back. But something came with him. Something Unspeakable. Dead of night. Starring Academy Award winners. And Lynn Carnett.

🎵 Music

B

Due to the importance of the first five minutes of dead of night. Audiences will not be seated after the beginning of the picture.

Movie Title Confusion & Production

F

Okay, this movie w is called Dead of Night.

D

If you say so. Josh said so and then we went while looking for it.

F

Could not find it. And I was like, what the fuck? I like searching everywhere, couldn't find it. I'm like, well, guys, I can't even watch it. I can't even

C

Yeah, that movie doesn't exist.

F

And just like I found it, it's not called that. Like what?

E

Let's go.

C

Called Death Dream.

F

So it's also called Death Dream.

C

It's also called the veteran.

D

Okay.

F

And it's also

D

Well that's not a that's not a good uh that makes the most sense out of all the titles, but it's not an enticing name.

F

No.

D

Dead Knight's a good one. It doesn't doesn't really click with the movie, but it's a it's a f decent like horror movie name. Yeah.

F

It is such a decent horror movie name that there's like fifteen other things called Dead of Night. So I found a load. I found all those. No, but I mean those things you were saying, like, yeah, Bob Clark, of course. And then even the guy who wro wrote it, I'm forgetting his name, uh Alan. He's written a bunch of shit. Yeah. He's done a bunch of shit. They also Bob Clark also did one of my all-time favorite movies, Fucking Deranged. Right. Which Alex

C

Mm-hmm.

F

Wrote that one. Yeah. And

C

And he also s was I mean the other movie he did was the year before was uh Children shouldn't play with dead things. I think that was his first horror film. It's a cult classic. Yeah.

F

I'm curious. I've never seen it.

C

Written by Alan Ormsby and starring Alan Ormsby and directed by Bob Clark as well. I mean, this is them getting their f their footing in filmmaking for sure. They're Canadian guys in filmmaking and um

F

So it's not you know it's not Black Christmas, but

C

And it Black Christmas is is a gem. Yeah. And it's got so much going on. I don't think Bob Clark wrote Black Christmas.

Vietnam Allegory & First Scene Critique

But he did write this one. Right on. It uh

D

Yeah. Isn't this sort of like the monkey's paw kind of story? Yeah. But it's not a good thing.

F

Nam.

C

It's NAM.

F

We

D

And not and totally not someone's backyard.

F

No, not on Bomb Clark's patio.

C

Yeah. Yeah, it's ta takes place in the forest in Nam. You hear

D

Yeah.

B

Wow.

D

Beautiful oak trees.

C

You see no gunfire. I used to see two guys two fucking namers in the fucking woods with guns just rolling around doing the same jump. Explosions.

D

Palm tree in sight.

F

I've I've never been to NAM. I've never been in war, but I have seen a lot of movies about NAM and people in war.

D

Mm-hmm.

F

And every time when they're crawling around in the in the NAM They feet low.

C

It's...

F

Stay low. Because you're at fucking war and people are trying to kill your white ass over there.

C

Yeah.

F

And for good reason.

C

Yeah.

D

Vader.

F

Sorry. Yeah. You are you're yeah. You're fucking yeah, shouldn't be there. But anyways, that's how this is also very faulty in its tr to storytelling because like they're both just like standing up, walking.

C

A fully erect yeah. Like me. Like me at this.

D

Have fun.

F

Yeah. And the dude gets shot and is the the moment that happened, even if you were standing up and something happened, the moment that your partner got shot, you would drop like a fucking ton of bricks. Hit the deck, right. You would hit the deck.

C

That's what this dude stands right up and just waits.

E

JURA

F

And they're like, what what movie is this gonna be?

E

Ha ha.

Dysfunctional Family Dynamics

F

I had a bad feeling from that jump.

C

I also knew that this movie starred um John Marley, who is an actor I quite like.

D

Is that the father? Yeah. Yeah, from from a godfather. Oh, that's where I know I'm from.

F

I thought you looked fucking familiar.

D

Yeah. He's he's the uh studio uh exact or producer who ha gets the horse head in his bed.

C

Oh that's right.

F

I've seen the horse head in real life. The actual problem.

C

Oh really?

D

Nice.

C

Um

D

Fucking cool.

F

Yes.

C

That's very cool. If you if you'd ever if anyone's ever seen the Nick Cassavetti not Nick Cassavetti's John Cassavetti's movie Faces, which is the first thing I ever saw John Marley in, it is indeed one of the most uncomfortable weird

F

Movies in the world.

C

And any of John Cassavetti's movies are the most uncomfortable, weird, awkward movies in the world, but they're really, really great. And John Marley's in a couple of them. And this and his face is all over the movie faces. Hell of a face right on right on the front of his head too.

D

What a yell. Yeah. Noteworthy uh yelling sounds.

F

Yeah, he might not be a good husband or father.

D

That's not a good family. Okay, I wanna point the finger at him he for being an abusive alcoholic type, but also mom is

F

Oh she's a nut bar.

D

She's uh totally delusional. Uh neglectful uh a dumb. Yeah, she is out of her fucking mind. Yep. The the the her the daughter's disconnected from fucking reality too.

F

She's the most like

D

She's nice but she is she is oh there there's something wrong with they've been the whole family has been abused. Yeah, the parents are fucking everyone up big time. That's why this feels like karma that he comes back and just fucking loses mind and murks everybody.

F

don't understand I'm sorry, I don't know you guys something to say, but I don't this I have a lot of questions, so we'll get to that in a minute but I'm confused by how the fuck this guy came back, besides trying to be large marge at the beginning of the movie.

E

Well,

C

The uh the I believe that the theory I I uh I think is that because the mom is in the chair, it cuts right from him getting shot blasted in Vietnam Dead of night, even though the movie's called Death Dream.

E

Yeah.

C

And then it's uh goes directly to the family

F

Eat around T.

C

Around the table talking about their son, and then they get uh a recruiting guy come to the door and s to tell the dad that the son died.

F

Your kid bit it. Here's your letter of your bitness.

C

Here's here's what you get. Yeah, I'll trade you your kid for this letter.

E

Right.

C

Um awful. Yeah. I mean that's I mean this is made in nineteen seventy four, so Vietnam was like probably just ending or still happening.

The Son's Return & Grief

F

I m I wanna say it was like right out of the cusp of there.

C

the very end of it. Yeah. So it's uh so many young kids had died, so I understand why this movie was made and I get it.

D

Or c come back disfigured or very much very modern scare.

F

And then I feel like that's a good thing.

D

Yeah.

F

Yeah. these are the people from this war that we knew as the vet as veterans, like first. Like I knew Oh, for sure. My uncle was in um my like I had like other family members. Like, you know. I knew people that suffered from this horrible war, right now. Uh PTSD and stuff. And and so yeah, like it's horrible. Like fucking war is horrible. War's so fucking stupid. And to me, like making a horror movie about it, like, come on, it's already horrible enough. Like

D

Yeah, but that's what everyone's that's a fear, so we gotta tackle it in a safe I guess.

F

Yes.

D

And kinda deal with it and learn how to make it talk about it.

F

Good at least.

C

I think they try.

E

Right.

C

I think they were trying.

E

Uh

C

So I think that...

D

Did you tell them that? You should probably should have told them that off.

C

If only you were on set.

D

Yeah.

C

Guys, I got an idea.

E

Yeah.

C

कर दो कर दो कर दो

F

Yeah, yeah.

C

Making it bad.

F

I th I was just jizz and my my dad's nuts, so

E

Yeah.

F

One year away I could have told him.

C

I was still flying I was at this moment I was flying through the air into my mom's vagina. No, we did it back in the seventies apparently.

F

Yeah, long distance, right? You don't you don't touch. Mm-hmm. Yeah, got a chip for the. Yeah, don't touch.

D

Across the room. That's what the bush is for. It absorbs, it's like a sponge.

F

Yeah.

C

Welcome to the Triple X episode.

D

Hey man, we had to we had a whole sex of sucking each other up. They got a hear something something tantalizing for their ears. Now you're thinking about it, now you're picturing it and you're welcome.

E

Yeah, just

C

Never mind.

D

Josh made a squeezy

C

Not even the patrons on video guys.

D

I did a hand thing!

Overused Monkey's Paw Trope

C

Um so the the mom is rocking back and forth after she finds out that her kid died. Awful. And she's like saying he'll he lies.

D

W but for before before that, but just to show us what state of mind this woman is in, he hadn't they're talking around the table, he hasn't written or c communicated with them in in quite some time. Right.

F

Too much.

D

We're all worried about him and she's been talking to his girlfriend and lying to the girlfriend that they've ri been receiving letters and and just like living in a delusional fantasy already. Just already that's an okay thing in her world.

F

Yeah, and and the whole thing she's ta like like the way she's talking, she's like, He's coming home, he's coming back, he's

D

And that's all they want to talk about. They they don't they're not asking the this young ladies right in front of them. They're not being present with her at all. Right. They focus on the son, the important one that we find out. Right. And then that that night they they get that same letter. Right. So we already know what kind of family this

F

And she she completely denies it, loses her fucking mind, but says she they're lying. And screams at it over and over. Yeah, they're lying.

C

come back. Yeah. He'll be back. And I think that is kind of what conjures him

F

Didn't you think there'd be a m a million of these fucking little

E

Thank you.

F

Large Marge kids running around.

C

Well, you know, it is like the monkey's paw thing, like be careful what you wish for because it is I mean, that monkey's paw It's still a big thing, but probably The monkeys yawn. When I first heard the monkey's paw story I was like, Right. I can't think of anything scarier. I was also sick.

F

Right,'cause and that that's when you're especially you were like, Oh fuck, I made a bunch of wishes.

E

Yeah.

C

I don't...

F

I didn't mean that I would totally give up my life for one Playboy magazine.

C

As soon as I see it, you can have my soul I just need to see it.

F

You make dumb wishes as a six year old. Yeah. But like oh

D

God, what have I done?

F

Yeah. I mean, so I I like I just hate the idea of like yeah, I mean like I get it and it's a good it's a good jump off point, but like it's been done to death. Oh.

C

Oh god, yeah. It's I mean since the six sixties, fifties and sixties.

D

Still being done. I keep I keep hearing this obsession movie that's everyone's going gaga for right now.

F

And I heard it sucked.

C

Oh, yeah, it sucks too.

D

I keep seeing everyone saying it's good. Why we always have the same different

F

Yeah.

C

Yeah, we heard this friendless thing.

Critiquing Clickbait Journalism

F

Okay. So but also so Curry Barker directed that. I'm already hating. Already a hater. Yeah. So and I was just like him doing some weird comedy shit. I don't I don't think I like Curry Barker.

C

Well you could you let's say you guys got off on the wrong foot.

F

We got for the wrong chain song, whatever.

D

Yeah, you got introduced to him in a a terrible way. But

F

I don't think I like'em, guys. You might...

D

I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't all I know about him is he's trying to ruin our franchises. Right. That's all I know. Yeah. Haven't seen his movies yet.

C

But he wrote and directed Obsession?

F

Right. It's the first movie. Okay.

D

But he's he's he's done other shorts that I hear are also very good and he had some kind of comedy career too.

F

He has some comedy troop but him and this dude and they're doing like sketches on TikTok.

D

know anything about any of that shit. So I can't say. All I know is he's trying to he's trying to fuck with Elm Street apparently and he's trying to fuck fuck with

C

Reading too.

F

Yeah, he mentioned that he wanted to maybe do

D

It's hard to say there's so many of these fucking sites that are just writing headlines. Maybe he just mentioned Hey'd be fun to do an Elm Street and like, Huh, Kurth guy is doing an Elm Street like, no, that's not exactly true but

F

But just like the same thing. Somebody mentions the whole thing about Jim Carrey like playing Freddie Krueger and next thing you know it's like

D

Everyone

F

So much.

D

Like what?

C

Did they show a picture of Fire Marshal Polk? They must have, right?

D

That that really pissed me off'cause I I know I heard the podcast that came out of. Yeah. And so they were interviewing uh Chuck Russell from Nightmare Three. And the the host of that show. suggested Jim Carrey for w some random reason. He's like, Hey, wouldn't it be cool if Jim Carrey did it? I think that would be great. And Chuck Chuck Carl's like, Yeah, I sure he could do it. He's a good actor. And that was like the end of it. He was being nice. He was just like, Yeah, sure.

F

Just indulging somebody saying something like that?

D

Not his idea at all. And then next next day that same fucking people who put out that podcast, their headline was fucking Hey, Jim Carries and Nectars according to Chuck Russell. Right.

F

And that was like all all everywhere. Everybody posted it. It's

D

Who said that?

F

All these other news sites are just are echoing it and it's just turned into this whole fucking thing.

D

It's just'cause one random weirdo just implanted that onto Chuck Russell, someone who's has something to do with the nightmare franchise. Yeah. False. It's all false. It's all bullshit. And no one wants to see that. So shut the buttons.

C

Probably got a bunch of fucking

D

It's clicks. That's what it's all about. They got them clicks. But I lost all respect for for that for that publication after that. I'm like, that's fucking bullshit. And it's and then it's been really prevalent in so many other ones where they're just like clickbaity headlines now.

F

Right.

D

I used to really like respect and it drives me nuts.

F

I mean that's the thing'cause everyone's just trying to get clicks, they're not trying to get actual information out anymore. It's not like people are trying to like save.

D

It fucking sucks. We live it we h we live in that world where it's so much of that is happening and where it's fucking everything up. We all know and I thought the whore community was smarter than that and better than that. Right. And that a better place and we were more honorable and No, we're not. Yep. It's all the same. We're s we're just trying to get likes and clicks and fucking whatever. Yeah. Uh not us, obviously. We don't give a fuck about anything.

F

I wish we didn't, a little bit.

D

If only we could get a little more clicks, but no, we'll we'll we'll fucking we'll tell the truth and we'll fucking be honest on this show. Maybe to our detriment sometimes.

F

Yeah, like maybe Kiri Barker sucks a lot.

C

We could put that we should put that up live. Forever Midnight says maybe Curry Barker sucks.

The Passenger Ripoff Allegation

E

No one knows.

F

No, maybe I would say I said he sucks so we'll just say Curry Barker sucks and then people will definitely click on that. Right. Why does he suck? I wonder what they're

D

And maybe this is why someone stole our our movie Night Drive and didn't give us any credit. Maybe like, fuck Fever Midnight, they talk all kinds of shit. Right. Fuck those guys. Yeah. Let's steal their movie.

C

Yeah. Maybe that'd th if they talk shit about us like we've been doing every episode for the last couple of months, then they'll it will they'll put'em on the pile. We're on the pile of people that they don't like'cause'cause we're bitchy.

E

Yeah.

C

Smooth on the vinyl like Lionel Richie.

E

Yeah.

C

Did that movie ever come out?

D

It's on its way. This month's way.

C

It's on its way to the toilet bowl.

D

Yeah.

F

I wanna I'm curious I don't say I w I wanna see I'm curious to see it, but I don't wanna pay for it. So I don't know. I guess I just have to wait till it streams.

C

But you know what you do? You go to see a movie that you like and then you just sneak in. And go to a theater that you don't like too.

F

Yeah. Be like, This is our movie, let us in. Yeah.

C

With an idea.

D

We've already played our movie here, so it's not we've already

C

Here's our movie. Put it at the beginning of this movie. Just show it. That's like a op like like a five minute like little card.

F

اشتركوا في القناة

D

Yeah.

C

See if we could get our homies to do that.

D

Right. So they know it was like ten

C

It's on there. It's on the it's on the opening card, the title card.

D

Okay, good.

C

2019年

D

Yeah.

F

'Cause I see people that don't know obviously our shit, and they're just seeing this thing and they're like, What an idea. Dude, yeah, yeah, I'm like motherfuckers.

D

Man.

C

What's it called again?

D

Passenger.

C

Fuck off. Fuck that.

E

Yeah.

C

How was that movie? A feature link film.

F

I mean they're gonna have to do something to stretch that out. I don't know what

D

I don't know. But the trailer is it's pretty much our short and that's it. Yeah.

F

Maybe it's like in uh Death Dream. Maybe that the guy who is a ghost zombie monster can also drive very fucking wickedly. Yeah.

C

Yeah.

F

So maybe he just starts stealing cars and then

D

So that smooth transition.

Zombie Nature & Drug Allegory

C

This yeah, Death Dream is the prequel to the passenger. Death Dream, Night Drive, The Passenger.

F

But what is I mean, is he a ghost? Is he a fucking zombie? He seems like flesh and

D

He's he's some kind of zombie. But he has like a skin texture over his face?

C

Yeah.

F

Although if you're dead and your blood's not pumping, why are you tying off the vein and injecting blood into your system? How's it gonna get in your system?

C

Oh here's the situation.

E

Ha ha ha.

C

I believe that that is also a Vietnam specific Like Vietnam vet allegory'cause of the drug addiction that veterans experience when they're coming home. Okay. I think that's what that must have been.

F

Oh Gracias.

C

It's not like he's drinking it. He's shooting it with a fucking wrapping his arm and shooting it like he's shooting heroin.

F

And they definitely drew somebody's real blood. Oh yeah.

D

That was like Yeah, that made me uncomfortable.

F

With not a glove on and on camera.

C

Clue.

D

I mean and why did they have to throw dirt on it first and then I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Dad's EMT Doo Doo Hand Story

C

So here's my my father, I'm gonna take a little another sidetrack'cause uh anything to talk uh about anything besides this movie, but my dad I mentioned he went to head head surgery and he was in the ER. My dad was an EMT w when he was a firefighter, he was a Berkeley firefighter for years.

And he loves talking to I found this out. He probably has said this a million times when I haven't been at the hospital with him. But he talks to all the nurses. When he meets a new nurse, he likes to tell'em, Hey, just so you guys know. I was one of the first ever people to first ever EMTs to do a h heart massage, like had to massage a man's heart when he was having a heart attack.

F

In his body.

C

In a in an ambulance in his body to keep his heart moving. No gloves. No gloves.

D

And with his mouth.

F

Hank

C

Yeah. And they and everyone's like, wow. And everyone's like listen to the story like, oh, okay, okay. And they're listening to this part of the story. Then he goes, No gloves, they're like, oh.

D

Oh that's yeah that's random

C

Like I didn't make it.

E

Damn.

F

It might have been the burger grease, it might have been his own body.

D

Yeah, I don't know where it could it could have been anything.

C

I had I had Dudu hand and and Whopper hand.

D

I like the flavor.

F

I know.

C

I'd just been to AMW so so I had like Papa Burger hand.

F

So gross. That's fucking gnarly, dude.

C

But he told us, I mean.

F

Your dad is actually I mean just touched another person's human heart.

D

Imagine. Yeah. There's very few people have actually touched with their bare hands a heart.

C

Real actual paramedic is like in the I need some help here, I need you to assist me.

F

That's some Temple of Doom shit.

C

Yeah. Yeah. If he had lived it would have been even a better story. Right.

A

Oh my god.

D

Well, I mean no one can check up on it. He should just say they lived. I saved his life. Just tell that story.

C

So y you know what? When he told the story in the morning before the surgery, he didn't tell the part about the guy e d dying. And later on in the day when he told different nurses and he was all groggy on fentanyl, he told that story and then he told me he goes, The guy didn't make it.

E

Yeah.

F

He was the hero of the morning.

E

Yeah.

C

In the evening he was like

F

Oh that's I mean still this I mean the fact that you're you're willing to go fucking elbows deep into someone's fucking chest cavity

D

That's inc that's incredible.

G

Terrifying.

C

And that's also how we did it in the seventies.

F

I was gonna say like they they weren't using gloves anyways, right?

D

Yeah.

C

Shooting across the room.

D

That's how we did it.

C

Into all of your moms.

D

Or your open heart if you're around.

Movie's Family Neglect & Zombie Behavior

F

Cảm ơn các bạn đã theo dõi và hẹn gặp lại.

C

Onto a beam.

F

Yeah.

E

Ha ha ha.

F

you guys didn't make it

E

Ha ha ha.

D

From your dad's been bad too.

C

Through that fuzzy bean bag in the corner.

D

Ha ha ha.

C

By the lava lamp. Maybe on the lava lamp.

F

Maybe inside the lawn will have.

D

Yeah, where do you think the lava comes?

C

What do you think is in a level land?

F

Not lava.

D

So this this family, I mean this this dad especially is just like I uh the family what is what is wrong with you people? Okay, so just Family's perspective first. Their son comes back, great, they're happy about it. He's he's home, wonderful. But he's acting weird. He's acting super strange. Probably at the very least has PTSD. You know, he's he's messed up from the war. At the very least.

F

Right.

D

Stop shoving fucking assholes from around the block in his face like oh here's a fucking mailman. Here's his fucking jerk off who just can't shut his mouth and slapping on a fucking aches outside. Maybe he's not old

F

Oh, you did.

D

W I know what you like. I know you got PTSD. What about some fucking hood rat kids from the street? They'll come and cheer you up.

G

Oh my god.

D

What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

C

Hey, how about your old friends? They're all like five years old? They're fucking fifteen years younger than the other.

F

I'm Jimmy Newbert, I'm seven.

D

For me? No. I'm not doing c I just got back from the war. I'm not doing so hot. I don't want to talk to

F

When he pops up, so he's in the house, he fucking scares the shit out of him. He's just standing in the dark smiling. Like a fucking creep. He's a fucking creep, man. But that

D

Mom doesn't notice any of this. No, somehow she's got.

F

Yeah. I mean the dad dad could actually give two shits if he's home or not.

E

Ha ha ha.

D

He kinda except he has a lot of friends he wants to introduce him to or something.

F

He kinda was like kinda bummed when he heard he was dead, but then like when he's actually back, he's just kind of more bummed.

Hated Dinner Scene & 70s Filmmaking

D

It's probably because he was finally uh imp the important one in the house. Because Mom Clearly gives only a fuck about the

F

My wife will fucking pay some attention.

D

Oh sick, he's not around. This has been great. I hope he never comes back from

E

Yeah.

F

Tell me, did you not like this? Cause I I thought of you this whole scene. Hmm. That weird, awkward laughing scene around the dinner table with the close-ups, the Rob Zombie close-up.

D

Oh hated it. Oh hated it every second about it.

F

How and it was just fucking so weird. It's like, why are they like it's going on way too long? They're sh close enough, everyone's fucking teeth are just like in your face.

E

Uh huh.

F

And they're laughing all weird and like, why is this zombie laughing? The zombie has a sense of humor?

D

It's uncomfortable. I guess he's pretending to be human. I don't know.

F

And he gets less and less like that.

D

So I mean it's not really him, right? It's it's is it some something in possessing his Because he's not acting like himself, y you know? I mean, like sure you probably act different if you died and came back to life. I'm assuming you'd act different.

F

Why be a dick, right? If it's you and you're like actually Like it's like, oh, we thought you were dead. I was.

E

Okay.

D

I don't know. What? I don't know, man. I hated it.

C

It was uncomfortable and it was rough. It wasn't good.

D

I didn't hate all this movie, but I did hate everything we've talked about thus far.

F

What did you not hear?

D

The last fifteen minutes.

C

I like it.

D

I thought the last fifty minutes were pretty good. Yeah, oh for that started off. I like the drive in, but I especially I especially love uh once he starts like chomping on people in the backseat, he's looking all bloody faced, and then he's driving around in Christine for to the cemetery. I love it.

F

Real people.

D

Yeah, love.

C

Okay.

D

I've never real people. I love the seventies filmmaking when you just like you just put your actors in danger all the time. I think that's fun.

C

You and you might kill a guy but at least you have the camera rolling and then you have like a really good effect.

D

about like the movie Deliverance, they just shoving their fucking actors down a river or Apocalypse now just sh sh fucking flying around helicopters, shooting off fucking uh you know, just just explosions everywhere. I I I miss this kind of fucked up filmmaking that all of the John Lanis's of the world just don't give a fuck.

C

All these movies you described have are Vietnam adjacent.

D

That's true. Oh so and the John Lannis segment was also V Vietnam adjacent.

F

Fuck. Yeah. That's weird.

C

Everything you mentioned, Vietnam adjacent.

D

Interesting. It was a weird time. It's a weird time.

C

People are like, oh well, human life is worth nothing. So let's go ahead and d demonstrate that through filmmaking.

D

While talking about Vietnam.

A

Wow.

F

So weird.

D

Wow. That's it. That's a good point. Josh, you're really on the the title. You got the fairwind.

Villains and War's Impact

F

Noodles working.

D

Yeah.

C

Yeah, maybe they're getting my blood flow, like to my brain.

F

Yeah. Did you maybe you licked the frog?

C

वे वे वे अजना

D

No one can see that frog besides a Patreon Patreon exclusive.

F

Yeah.

D

No one knows what the fuck we're talking about.

F

That's our frog or frog. Clint Howard.

C

Clunt How Hard? Well sorry, Clunt.

F

Yeah, that's clear.

C

That's clean.

F

Like show us Clunt.

D

Crow cow.

C

You know you know you we don't get to see Clunt yet. Clunt does is not dressed for

F

Success.

D

Yeah.

C

Clun's not for mixed company.

E

Yeah.

C

Maybe before.

F

That's a top tier video.

C

Maybe when this video is over you can turn the camera towards Clint for a

D

His content. He's clunts out. He's c cutting it.

C

Sun's out, clunts out.

E

Sure.

D

Oh.

F

Oh okay.

D

It w uh I mean at some point he gets super drunk and then abuses his daughter. That's fun. We love we love seeing that.

F

Everyone. He's d definitely touching his wife in very bad ways. Even though yes, she's a nut bar, but don't you can't fucking shake her and grab her and throw her and like

D

But you kinda want to'cause she sucks so bad.

C

Kinda the seventies, so you kinda could.

F

But it's like yeah, but n I mean under in in a twenty twenty six lens you're like, dude, oh No one did prison.

C

Yeah, everyone's everyone's cancelled in this movie if you're if it's

D

This is the fo the home life is rough. I I don't know who's the bigger villain, this fucking undead possessed person or the fucking abusive emotionally and physically the parents.

F

Yeah, I mean the household is so bad you're like, Oh, you went to fucking Nam on vacation. Yeah, you're not you didn't join the war. You're fucking I'm going over there'cause this sucks here. But yeah, th I don't understand like how, but anyway.

Son's Physical Decay & Dog Scene

C

I think it's I think it's symbolic. I don't think it's real. I don't think we're expected to think that it's like real.

F

He goes and he buries himself like in a litter box like

D

I liked it though.

C

That he scra scratch scratch his own name in?

F

Yeah, and then he's just like like a fucking like a crab.

C

Look at that.

D

Pretty fucking crazy. Like you see part of his skull now, like it's like rubbed off, like his skin's all coming off. I love it. Come on.

F

But did you read that he didn't even do most of the stuff?

C

well maybe not most of it, but either some of it.

F

Fucking uh Bob Clark or is it Ornsby?

C

Did Alan Ornsby was is a is an effects.

D

I didn't hate it, man. Yeah. And I and I do like the fucking car being on fire where it almost like kills the the people driving.

F

Right, in real life. Yeah.

C

So we forgot we glanced over the dog.

F

Yeah. That's a real dog.

D

In front of the kids.

F

Real kids.

C

I know what I'm like.

D

Good call, Dad.

C

Well he chokes a he chokes a dog, a a little cute dog to death in front of a bunch of children, and then all of them run away except for one who goes Uh finger in the mouth. Yeah. Like what are you doing?

D

Trauma these kids are traumatized. They're they're therapy for years.

F

They didn't even go home. They're so they're still running.

E

Right.

D

And then he what he goes upstairs to his rocking chair for the rest of the movie? No, he stabs a doctor with a needle. That's right.

F

Yeah. But I do like that rock and chair scene where h the dad just is like losing his mind'cause it's all

E

Yeah.

D

I love it, but he puts on the sunglasses and other gloves. I think that's a cool one.

F

It's like almost like Google's invisible man or like you know, it's kind of almost there.

D

Yeah.

C

He is pretty cool looking with the glasses and the and the gloves.

F

Turtleneck.

D

I hate the way he acts though. He he reminds me of another Bob Clark character from A Christmas Story that

C

I like the wizard.

D

That fucking weirdo that stands in the line. I think that's a this is like a grown up version of that kid. Sure.

C

I like Van Ruck.

F

Yeah, I mean,'cause it he progressively just gets weirder. Like he's not even like trying anymore. Like before he's like, oh, I'll try a joke out with these people and I'll joke with them a little bit or smile and then like he's just not doing any of that.

C

Well no, he's just rotting in place. Right.

F

But like if you don't if you drink blood or you shoot blood, then you don't rot, right?

Andy's Home Allegory

C

Everything except yeah, he he's yeah, he starts to fall apart a bit, but he can look a little younger. It's temporary. Yeah. Yeah. It's like like he his vitality comes back a little bit, but he's he's obviously very So it's like it means'cause he does l start looking real wrinkly and shitty and then like he goes and shoots the doctor's blood up and he's like, Hey, I'm passing is

F

Still very pale, but like.

C

My eyes are now pale again and my hands are st a little bloody. It's a weird one. But it the when I saw the picture of what he looked like. In the car toward the end, I was like, Oh, I gotta see this fuck. Where's this zombie down?

F

That progression doesn't make sense though.

C

No.

F

Like when he's normally just flakin', pale and flaking, and then there's him with the crazy contact lenses and all that shit and he's got some weird bones up and then the end he's just way different and just like more built up and weird crazy and like but doesn't look like really Like you would normally think like the progression would be kind of like he's deteriorating. This is like he's like growing stuff, you know.

D

Well, I mean, let's just make it perfection.

C

Build it up together.

D

Like he's falling apart'cause it yeah, the skull's now showing and it's supposed to look like skin's coming off.

C

I mean, yeah.

D

CGI.

C

Yeah.

F

He did his face though too.

C

He's got a shitty face.

D

Yeah.

F

He looks like a prick.

D

Yeah.

C

Yeah, he's got a bad looking face.

F

I mean, look.

C

Sorry, Doc.

D

Look at the stock he comes from. Look at his parents. That dude's got a hard look.

F

Well, I get that hair that dad has.

D

Oh, I would take that hair. Yeah, it's good.

C

God, are you kidding? I dream of that.

F

Kramer and fucking broccoli had a fucking

C

Sean Marley's fine actor, great head of hair, and a fucking like fine ass Buchowski.

D

Yeah, yeah.

F

Yeah.

D

His sister is all just as emotionally intelligent as the the parents. She sets it up to get his ex girlfriend or

F

Alright, thanks so much.

D

Current girl but like surprise at them, that's a good that's a good move to pull on someone who's uh cleared like in kind of shock of some kind. Like they don't know he's a zombie.

C

Oh my god.

F

multiple times, I don't wanna see anybody. He's telling them that one thing, I don't wanna see anyone.

D

I don't know, respect his wishes or something. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know.

F

He's acting weird'cause he came from the war. Like how many people in real life came from the war and they were acting very, very strange and still to this day are acting very strange.

D

And then and then got went home and got neglected by the people who are supposed to care about you? Right.

C

I'm sure that happened every day. And I think I mean if that's

D

So this may th to me this movie is more and more frightening that we talk about it and it gets more and more real.

C

And the thing about the movie is too like once you see the very end of it, you're like, Oh, I get it. I get here's the punchline. This is just like this is a fable about a very current war that's still probably going on in nineteen seventy four.

F

Right.

C

So it's like

D

It is just

C

People suffering trauma from a war and all the young people that don't come back. And cause the when they when he pulls the the dirt over himself and is like,

E

The mom's there.

C

And she's like, Andy's home. Some boys never even make it home.

E

Ha ha ha.

F

Because

C

I fucking get it.

D

Hey, sometimes it's not a good thing.

F

The mom and the dad at at a point, like the dad was very much against it for a long time. He killed his dog, he's ready to fucking shoot him. But at some point he just starts lying for his kid because he knows his kid is killing people.

Critique of War & Military Service

Mom knows like they're both very guilty of

C

Yeah, just like I'm gonna go to the police and conf and try to steer them another direction.

F

A the end of bedding, a goal. Yeah. And and then like yeah, so at the very end they're like she's absconding with him trying to like get him to where he needs to be, which is a funny thing.

D

And I like how the mom's like, I don't give a fuck about the daughter. I just want Andy back or whatever his name is. Right. I don't give a fuck about Catherine.

F

Yeah, what a good feeling it must be to be the daughter of that family. That the the dynamic of this whole thing it definitely speaks to like the seventies where it's just like

D

Use at home.

F

Yeah. there's much of that going on these days too, but like that home dynamic is just fucking so jacked. So fucking

C

Shitty. It really is bad. And it is uh

D

I'm...

C

It's kinda like what all in the family spoke got was able to speak to every single week. Right. It does it's a toxic like place to be and thankfully there was a your fucking Rob Reiner to be the the crazy liberal guys like barking back at the right at the dad who's a prick. Um and make fight of it. It's fun. This is a movie's not fun.

F

No.

C

Like in no way is it fun. Conceptually, not fun. When he's when he drives over a guy, that's pretty fun. When in the drive in, that's pretty fun.

F

Justin Fows hit us up. He was one of our friends uh of of the podcast and he hit me up and he was like'cause he he likes this movie and he was like He's like, but what about when they ran over that real person? And I was like, wait, I thought that looked crazy, but like was it a real person? And he's like, I don't know. But I I and I went and like kinda like did some sure research. I couldn't tell either. It didn't there's nothing in the trivia.

D

Very real. It looked pretty insane.

C

I'm hoping it's a dummy and I'm hoping maybe that's Savini.

F

Yeah, maybe. That was what he was you know.

C

I'm hoping it's something like that.

F

But it was fucking brutal.

D

It looked crazy.

C

They peeled out on a guy.

F

How about the sisters scream? Ah. She has this weird d like

C

Help, help, help.

D

I like that he's just like ghouling down on his girlfriend in the backseat and her

F

They just think they're making it.

D

Yeah, like oh, but they don't get in the car, they're trying to get their fuck on, bro. They get back in there and start chomping on popcorn, like.

F

That's how you did it. Don't mind.

C

Brother.

D

Getting a fucking mouthful of pubes right now.

C

It smells like my brother's nuts and butts.

D

Oh, I've missed that.

C

Well.

F

I mean that's why you don't that's the only reason why you go double date with your brother, right?

C

I've missed this. Remember when we used to fuck next to each other before you went to N

D

Gross.

C

Fuck.

Murder Vehicle Photo Walk Discovery

D

Boundaries, man. Shoot it across the room.

F

Even his girlfriend though was like, I smell something wrong and she's like the whole time she's side eyeing this dude. He's acting fucking weird. At one point he reaches over to grab something, fucking f skin's flying off. There's and she clocks it. And you still are like, Yeah, let's fuck I'm I'm like Maybe if you don't have your wrist skin, I'm gonna chill out for a second.

D

Tells me you're not right.

F

Huh.

C

Pinch pinch full of risk skin or

E

Yeah.

C

This half hard wiener mind. Owen Wiener.

F

I think I'm gonna get weird.

D

Okay.

E

Ha ha ha.

F

Uh how about okay, there's a there's a character that's like kind of my favorite in the whole movie and it's at the very beginning in the diner and it's a drunk guy.

C

Oh I love it.

F

And and it's the so it's the funniest like s like stereotypical bobbleheaded drunk that he's just like killing you. And you're like, dude, you have two lines in this whole movie and you're like stealing the show. Like you're hamming it up with so the other one was like what kind of soldier was he? Uh there. And he's like They uh ours. Uh good thing I thought we were

E

There we go.

C

We loved it. Dude.

F

Who are you?

C

That's fucking drunk. Bob, dude.

F

Uh where's hit um can can we take a little side quest on Junk Bob's fucking?

D

Yeah, let's s let's follow his night.

F

Yeah,'cause dude that guy it was just so funny.

C

Yeah, where he where was he partying? And wha how did he end up I mean, what about the fucking waitress and the what about the sh

F

Line cook. The stuttering line cook. Did that actor actually really study? Or were they like Bob Clark was like, and he stutters.

D

It would be such a good bit for him for him to be talked over.

F

Hilario I mean, you know.

C

He's working his comedy chops in there.

F

This is gonna be hilarious. He's gonna say eggs three times.

D

Yeah. Not sensitive.

C

It's rough.

E

Mm-hmm.

C

It's rough. I mean I there are I can't I'm I find it hard to believe that people love this movie as much as they do, but maybe they didn't have it hyped up for them. Maybe it was a nice surprise.

D

I think the last fifteen minutes are pretty good. They're pretty fun. And I do the the looks just for just from the drive in to the to the burying himself in a shallow grave. I like that.

C

You know the look of a turtleneck. And the gloves.

F

And the classes.

D

Cool look and it's not.

C

Yeah, he looks nuts.

F

And driving okay.

D

And they fucking plow through that uh The gate and it looked like a real gate that they just fucking dismantled. It was like he just ran right into it.

F

The built it for the movie.

D

Oh they don't like I was gonna say it's like is that a real one or they just like j yeah it's fine, you can fuck up the gate, but don't hit the pillars. And then did they plow right in the pillars?

F

Right.

D

Decimate it.

F

Oops.

D

I thought they just fucked up

F

No, it got locked in the gate and I just run from there.

D

They fully blew it.

F

At least it kinda blocked the cops from getting f inside the cemetery. Well that's

D

True. Okay. That's true. Maybe they did on purpose.

F

You say you like thirty seconds.

E

Ha ha ha.

F

But again like I don't understand like so he just goes in it like covers himself in some dirt.

C

Burries himself.

F

But like not really.

Movie's Last Act & Titles

C

Like a cat like a cat poo in a sandwich.

F

Where it's like poking out. It's poking. You know, like he you can see him still I can still smell you. Yeah. Andy. You're not hiding it. You know, I'm like, there's no cop that ran up there and was like, Where'd he go?

C

It's like he's an old

D

Well he wouldn't shut the fuck up, maybe that he wouldn't notice. But he keeps talking and moving.

F

And the mom's like, Dandy.

E

He's home.

F

I mean like, shut up, mom. Trying to sleep.

E

Ha ha ha.

C

Forever.

E

Ha ha ha.

F

But like where is Andy's real body? It's a NAM, right?

D

Uh

F

Or maybe getting transported because they didn't bring the letter and it had been a minute. So, you know, then the next thing would be that

D

not a a living corpse, he's he's a possessed Creature. Is it just like

C

Flesh.

D

Nah, I guess.

C

That's what that's what they'd say in the seventies.

F

God made flesh.

D

That's what's a good tag.

C

It's grief made flesh.

D

That's a good time.

C

Yeah. Yes, I've made it up. Hollywood Death comma calling.

F

What does Death Dream even like?

C

No, but I'll tell you what I love. It's two dumb words stuck together.

E

Yeah.

F

It's a sweet band name, it's a sweet song name.

C

It is.

F

For this movie I'm like, Huh?

C

I love it. Yeah. I love all the every movie that's up there that's a fucking evil speak or a Demon warp or demon wind. I don't I just like

D

I love it.

C

I love it. It's so dumb.

F

One of my notes was what the fuck is Andy?'Cause I just I'm like ha like 'Cause the real Andy died in in Vietnam. Yes. He's n a corpse in Vietnam or at least on his way back.

C

No matter where he is, he is a corpse.

D

Well he's yeah, he's definitely a corpse here. I I I have to believe that. I mean we're seeing his skull and shit after a while, like rotten away. But like

F

How did that get there? Like that I'll you know.

Monkey's Paw Overload

C

How does Skull get inside?

F

How did Andy?

D

Plane ticket. Did you fly from uh first class?

C

Yeah. Dimension travel? With her with her undying session?

F

She opened the portal potty and then.

C

It came out of the blue.

F

She did have a candle and a rocking chair, that's all you really need, and some heavy weight.

D

That'll get you there. Yeah. I can't a ghoul can't resist a good rocking chair. We all know that.

F

And a candle?

C

They got the rocking chair and black the black Christmas rocking chair is the most iconic thing in the whole movie.

F

Ja.

C

He loved a rocking chair in nineteen seventy four.

D

That's all I can think about in a second.

F

It is I mean the creakiness of a rocking chair can be very creepy and it's been used in lots of movies and it's like It can be creepy. Changeling. And this is just funny to me.'Cause I feel like he's rocking too hard. Yeah. He's walking way too hard. Or he's like p purposely trying to piss his dad off.

C

His dad is so easily annoyed too.

F

Yeah.

C

Like his f his son, he got word that his son was dead. Right. Then that same night his son is alive and twelve hours later he's so mad at him for making noise.

F

Right.

C

Yeah.

F

Whoa!

G

Hey.

E

Mm-hmm.

F

Maybe.

C

That's why I think all of this shit in this movie is just like And I think about this in the sixties and seventies too, the

F

Over

C

Dramatization and symbolism in all these movies is like it's on your sleeve. Of course, these are like all stereotypes, all tropes, but people were ready to see it, to see themselves in it, to see the society in it. And it wasn't I mean, these days We have subtlety and we can afford to'cause we have twenty four hour movies on television.

F

Right. And we've had so many war movies that We don't really do that anymore because we'd much rather see something else. We'd rather see a monster or some other weird paranormal thing than like people sitting back in the fucking rice patties getting shot. Like this that's not fun. Well, we may I don't want to do that.

C

hundred of those Vietnam movies. So I mean,'cause everyone was coming back from it, everyone had something to say about it. And I get it.

D

Also some so a few of'em done it like the best you could ever do it. Right. So we're we don't need to keep doing it.

F

Yeah, but it's horrible and very horrific. So Yeah. You know. But yeah, I th this is like to me like this could have also just been like Andy went to Boy Scout Boy Scout camp and he fucking bit it. Oh, but I want Andy to come.

D

Right.

F

Now he's Jason Voorhees. You know, like just like kind of it could have been like anything really, but I guess because it was at that time that they were like, Well, we're gonna make it this.

C

But also it's w I mean how many years is it before your Jason Voort? You know, it's uh it's quite I mean Bob Clark f he might have initiated the slasher genre by making Black Christmas. Yeah. And maybe tried to put h insert himself into the zombie

F

Do you think that Jason's mom, she's what fucking conjured his ass back to life?

C

Sure.

D

I like it.

F

Like her craziness and her then her like revenge.

C

Turned flash.

F

Yeah, her grief trying to do it. Come ahead. Sweater become on your

C

Yeah.

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E

Ha ha ha.

F

But like for for for the whatever r logic in this movie that like r I almost called him Randy, Andy's mom conjured him to

E

Uh

F

Back into the house.

A

Alive again.

G

Uh

F

And maybe is he pissed? Because maybe that's it. Maybe he's just fucking pissed. He's like, I fucking bit it. I don't want to be here. I don't feel good.

C

I bet it I didn't want to be there and then I got killed there. Now I'm back here. Thanks a lot.

F

Yeah dad hates me. I fucking hate it.

C

He tells the doctor like

F

I died for you, now you have to die for me. Right.

C

So it's like he is pissed. Right.

E

Yeah.

F

And I mean, if you asked any dead person from the war, are you They would say yes.

C

Like if a soldier could talk about why how pissed they are that they died and f what was it for? Yeah. Sure. Nineteen seventy four, I get it. Like that all these things movies were great in the seventies and movies were the worst in the seventies. They could do'em both ways. That's the same way they do it now. Some movies are great. Some movies are the worst. But I mean in the seventies it's it's laughable and weird.

Because it's like it's hard for me to see. I was like literally one year old when this movie was made, or even less. I'm like, what are any of these people even doing? Also all

F

Fucked up. What's weird too though is like in the seventies, especially like w with that war and like as things came with like the you know, Desert Storm and like all that shit in the nineties, like um There was I think there was like a sentiment where people were like stoked to go to war for the US, you know? Like people were like

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Actively like

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It's my duty. I'm gonna join up. I'm gonna go. Like people wanted to go to war for their country, you know? Like that shit does not exist anymore. Like, sure, there's a handful, there's people, they go usually because it'll pay for their college.

And it's a s it's a better job than going to jail or it's a better thing. But like it's wild to think about. Like that was like a fucking like a choice that a lot of people made. Sure, a lot of people got drafted and there's all that bullshit too. But like

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I can't imagine fucking going to war for this fucking bullshit.

C

I would never. I don't not just not only because the country is fucking duping you into dying for f some ridiculous reason. Right. It has nothing to do with the freedom of our country. No. As more to do with like probably oil and resources and

F

It's always had to do with just lining people's pockets.

C

governments for other for money reasons. So like I can't ever imagine doing that. I have I know people that have joined the military voluntarily and I'm like, What are you thinking?

F

I don't understand it and it blows me away.

C

Yeah.

F

To me I you know, like I you know, I grew up with military stepfather and like and going to like going to fucking um military graveyards are insane because it's like They're all the same. Headstone. Like, you don't get any fucking pomper circumstance because you're just a fucking number and there's just hundreds of thousands of them. And it's just like, For what for what? You know? Yeah.

C

These days it's less that for soldiers and more that for civilians, because people aren't actually putting themselves in front of bullets if you're in the military anymore. your remote control, your Enders gaming it into a fucking building full of children. Cause the world is a fucking toilet.

E

Yeah.

C

Anyone could record history and before. Yeah.

F

Yeah, I don't know. I just I yeah, I'm especially like We're living in 2026. There's shit going on right now, even. Sure. There's always something fucking going on. But like I just yeah, watching war shit, I am not a fan of like I'm sure I'll watch the classics, the stuff I've watched them, they're great, they're fucking whatever, but like

C

Yeah, but I mean how how many times I've seen Platoon more than once. Why? Why did I say it more than once? I could watch it once.

F

I I mean I love Full Metal Jacket, but like that's not a movie I'm going and like, let's throw my Full Metal Jacket on you know, like that's not a fun watch, you know, like but it's one of the best movies ever made.

C

Some of the best movies ever made you can all you can see once and be cool. And it's sometimes if you haven't the occasion to be like, Oh, you've never seen it and

D

Right.

C

We wanna talk about Vietnam. Here's one of here's Apocalypse Now, here's Full Metal Jacket and let's take then let's take a break.

F

Yeah. And I don't you know, I think everyone should yeah, go see that movie. Go see if you haven't seen it, go see it.

C

Yeah.

F

Yeah, go watch those movies'cause I think that also that like As much as they probably some of it is fictionalized, obviously, but like it speaks to a lot of the truths of like war and the all that shit, you know. So

C

So prevalent in the eighties. It's crazy. Set late seventies, early eighties, so many nom movies.

F

I just remember like I because I grew up on a military base and like m around that shit, like my stepfather wanted me to fucking join up. Like I that was like the plan that he had for me. I'm like pfft Yeah, right. Like what are you talking about? I'm going skateboarding.

C

Only'cause you told me to know.

E

Yeah.

F

I would have all right onto that ship.

A

Yeah.

F

No, but like. I popped that trunk yesterday and I was stopped.

D

We haven't talked about that.

F

Dude.

D

We might have found a murder vehicle on our on our InstaWatch.

F

It was a it was like Leatherface's fucking ride. Straight fast.

D

That's not an exaggeration. He has photos to prove it.

F

There's this car just sitting kind of abandoned by this other car that we were taking a photo.

D

It's rotting away.

F

There is on the dash and the back uh like d back whatever, sill of the window or whatever. Numerous dead animals in various

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STATES OF DECAY IN FRONT

F

Some having flesh still on the bones.

C

What different things?

F

Creatures, fish. I don't even know what that I don't even know what that one thing was in the back that had flesh on it still. We don't know.

D

But there's like deer legs that are.

F

There was a eagle head. Eagle head. Eagle talons. There was a a fucking bird. There was

D

It's just like a hunk of f fur, rotting fur. I mean, like it was cre there's a Bible just chillin', all fucked up.

C

You know what you do? You put that thing in a fucking hot cauldron, you got yourself a gum.

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C

I mean...

F

Imagine a hoarder's car, but it was just filled with dead shit.

D

Yeah, that's...

F

Tons of bones and teeth and

C

The same property that the people tried to keep you off of? No, no, no.

F

This was in downtown well, downtown Tamales, which is A Street, but like r the school that we were taking a photo, there's this like bombed out car that we were taking a photo by.

D

There's right outside.

F

The school and somebody clocked it. I don't even know who it was that originally saw what was in there because I'd been there before and didn't even look at that car. I just drove in and

C

Since you left.

F

It's been there. For the trunk was in the trunk.

D

I know.

F

And

C

And then no one should have popped it.

G

We did it.

F

I made sure I like put my

D

I was like, can we get your DNA on that?

F

But how I definitely was like, this could be the time when there's a dead body. Like this could be it. Or a another dead cr thing.

D

I thought at least there was gonna be a carcass of a critter. Yeah. At the very least.

F

Almost was there was a a bunch of shorn sheep.

D

And it looked like it looked like some dried maggots or something. It did look like there was something in there.

F

A big old like a not not even like a small like this is a fucking bottle that's like two feet tall, like a whiskey bottle of like Something that resembled maybe whiskey, but it also could have just been piss. I don't know.

C

I mean, it's gay.

D

It was it was sketchy though. I was like, Oh shit, we're about to see some fun.

C

I love it sometimes. That's so sketchy.

F

No, no.

C

Just because the trunk didn't yield anything? The whole thing is scheduled.

F

The whole thing is there's a weird yearbook on the like the whole thing is

D

We should probably just get out of here'cause someone owns this around

F

and the guy comes

C

What do you think that guy looks like?

F

He'll knock on my door. He'll be like, uh you t I'm fucked with my car and tomal.

C

I stole a couple of my gun.

F

Yeah.

D

That's where the lightning flashes behind them.

F

It was but it was like that like no one wanted to pop the trunk and I'm like, sure I'm doing it.

C

Everyone get your fucking cameras up.

F

But then I saw I saw fur immediately and I thought it was a corpse from some like a she a sheep or you know.

D

But I mean, there were straight up animal corpses all over this fucking thing. Yeah.

F

It was it was like the room in Texas Chainsaw where there's just like chicken bones.

C

Feathers.

D

That was the inside of this car.

F

Straight up.

D

Yeah.

F

And I took photos. There's photos everywhere like I don't think we checked. We were afraid of what it would smell like in there. I kind of took a whiff through the crack, but I didn't really smell anything. So dare we so I forget who it was, it was like t smell through the crack and I was like

D

A triple dog day.

E

Yeah.

F

Now I have the plague.

C

And a fish.

E

Ha ha ha.

C

How was a fish in there?

F

There was a big old dead fish on the back dude I'll show you when we did that I'll show you.

C

That's what happened that was Noah's Ark, the original.

D

Could you put the photo on the uh Patreon?

F

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll definitely throw that in there. Oh my god, it is like so fucking weird. But also kind of made my day.

D

Yeah.

F

'Cause I love that creepy shit.

D

Yeah, it was so crazy. It's pretty exciting.

F

Just like who's who's what ghoul owns this car?

C

Whip is

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D

Yeah.

C

Yeah.

D

I like them riding in cars.

E

Ha ha.

D

Okay. Yeah. Don't talk to me, I'm thinking

F

I think I was what I was thinking is if it was a manifestation and some demon like was taking over his like

A

His face.

F

vision or his figure or whatever. How does he know how to drive?

C

Let me tell you something. This is not a demon. This was Bob Clark's lessons possessed a guy.

F

That's it should have some called The Lesson.

C

Death lessons.

E

Yeah.

F

This movie should be called.

C

Wake up, America.

F

Oh I'm back in death lessons though. And every one is just like a lesson.

D

Okay.

F

It's all the all fucking monkey spa? Yeah. Go on.

D

'cause that's not old yet. Let's keep it with that.

C

Careful what you wish for, wink death lesson number eight.

F

That's why I was like I saw the trailer for Obsession and I'm like.

D

student bodies like do a version of that cover for death lessons. That's it's vegan for

F

For the school, yeah. But like I I saw the the the trailer for obsession and the the like not even all the way through the trailer I was like, this is a monkey's paw thing? Like I knew it. And it is. He even said I heard him talking about it and he said it.

C

It's a classic tale of the monkey's paw.

F

No one's really ever done it, so I thought I'd you know, dip into it.

D

I thought I'd like dig into the family a little bit more because no one's done that.

C

First time I ever heard about the monkeys paw was in two thousand and four's What? Dodge. 2004. You have to understand I'm a child. A huge lip sunglass child who looks like an albino blue reed.

F

He does look like there's a there's an albino from a movie that that like I was like, Oh, he kinda looks like that dude.

D

We're never gonna get anywhere in Hollywood with a attitudes like ours.

C

Uh Barker wants to come on the show.

F

No, and also there's still no ideas anyway.

D

He's over at Rob Zombie's house with fucking gator legs planning our fucking death.

E

Yeah.

F

But I mean, they're already stealing our shit. They don't want us there anyways. They they want our ideas. They don't want us in Hollywood.

D

'Cause we're too punked, man. We'll stir things up.

C

You could have you could have the idea and turn it to shit.

D

But also death lessons call us.

E

I told her.

D

It's Atlas, I am right now.

C

Jeff has the list going.

F

The next five hundred dollars we get we'll be making death lessons.

G

Yep.

A

No man. Well um

F

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hate it as bad as I do.

C

I didn't mean to hate it as bad as I did either.

D

And I didn't hate it that much.

E

Ha ha ha.

D

It wasn't good. It wasn't good, but I uh the last fifty minutes got me there. Got me ready.

C

I all the co the combination of things, like the Bob Clark, the uh John Marley Like those things and then the picture of the zombie, I was like, ooh.

F

Yeah, yeah.

C

Or fucking kick ass.

F

It looks it'cause it looks like those other movies of his from the seventies. It looks that that you know Yeah. It's not like there's a there's a vibe to it. The acting wasn't so strong and then you had like like the mom's acting was killing me at the beginning especially. I was just like, This is

C

I think she might be considered a really good actor too, which is weird. A lot of these fools are like certainly John Marley is a theater actor and he's and he's a great actor. That's the thing. I know he's a great actor, but the few things I've seen him in that weren't the godfather, I was like, ooh. Really?

D

He is a good doctor.

F

Sometimes though when you have a face like that, you lean into that sometimes. Or the or the director and casting director lean into that and they don't really care about how you're acting.

C

And I'm I'm leaning out.

F

Like just puck fucking show up in front of the camera with that mug.

E

Yeah.

D

Yeah.

F

Yeah.

C

Yeah, you know. You can't win'em all. I've heard too many good things and um I expected more.

F

And you know what? You can't make all great movies. You gotta make couple stinkers if you're

D

But it's not the worst.

C

It just wasn't fresh and new and it had a lesson that I thought was stale.

F

I just felt like it was just a slog. It was just so

D

It was a slog it was a bit of a slog at first. Yeah.

F

was just like what what is even happening? And it is like it's like I we watched other movies like this recently too where it's like Everything happens in the last ten minutes of the movie. Like it's just

C

And you're like, well, okay, at least there's payoff. Right. But uh you're bored most of the movie. Right.

F

And you're just like and it's mostly bad people that you're bored by. Yeah. You're like, this is a horrible family. I don't want to be with these people.

C

Part of it too is like I you can't look at this movie or look at any sort of like where I wanna like where do I find this movie? By when you look at the sea where like by the time you've glanced at it, you've accidentally read the first line which tells you like a guy dies in Vietnam and then he comes back. You're like, I didn't want to know that. Yeah. Like that's part of the movie I would have loved to have revealed in a Without having known that. Yeah. Like Spoily alert.

F

There is some like good version of this that was released as Death Dream, or at least the cover says that, but of course the inside movie says Dead of Night. But the cover art for that reissue is dope. Yeah. It's actually really fucking sick and would fool a lot of people into watching this movie and buying that D V D.

D

There's there could be a good half hour version of this movie that just rocks.

F

Yeah.

C

Some people love it for what it is and watch it often.

F

Yeah.

D

That's cool.

F

I think the people that love it still know that it's probably unlovable.

D

And I I bet they saw it with low expectations. That's that is a problem. Every time you think something's gonna be really good and you go to watch it, then you get so disappointed.

F

Imagine like seeing this through like young like if you were a young kid and you saw this, like in the eighties?

D

Uh I mean it would probably be great. Yeah, like this is the first time you've really like experienced the monkey's paw kind of story, like Holy shit, he came back.

F

Oh my god.

C

Is it Tales from the Crypt, the original one that has one of the one of the original stories is a monk is the monkeys pop?

F

Yeah, I think so.

C

There's a monkey's paw.

D

The seventies.

F

It's the one with the Christmas thing in it and everything, right?

C

Yeah. The one with the tit with Yeah, exactly. And the one with the death r writer, the ghost yeah, the skull. That movie's great. You didn't have to keep doing monkey's paw. We don't have to keep doing it.

F

Yeah.

D

But Josh, what if we did monkey's paw? Again.

E

Yeah.

C

Well depends what the budget is.

E

Maybe...

D

But hear me out. They did monkeys paw.

E

All right.

C

Monkey spot at this time.

D

Starring Dracula. Frankenstein.

C

Yeah.

D

I got this guy Del Toro, he'll do anything.

C

The wolf man. Uh or ki Roma?

F

But direct Guillermo del Toro as Frankenside.

D

Yeah, let's do it.

C

Frankenstein's dad.

D

Uh

F

All right. Well let's get the fuck out of here.

C

Sorry it's done.

D

Do you guys wanna like blow each other again for another h half hour before we wrap this up or

C

We could.

F

My jaw hurts, let's go.

D

Okay, fine.

C

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shit across the world.

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I should've I didn't ask if I could do that.

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Yeah, that's fine's fine though. Well sh I've been waiting.

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It's been fifteen years of here.

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You guys can touch me all you want.

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Any fact.

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I wish you would.

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Uh but we thank you all for listening. Uh check out forevermidnight.store and we love you.

C

The world is a toilet. We live on toilet earth.

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Mm-hmm.

F

I mean I think like life is just like a monkey's paw, so I've seen it. I've lived it.

C

Yeah, look at that.

F

Tot ziens.

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Buried myself in a shallow grave now.

F

Bring myself a litter box.

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Yeah. Too late.

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Oh god. Okay.

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While we were recording the show. You don't have to put this in or whatever, but I got a text from my stepdad. Kiss right out of the mouth. Love'em to death.

F

Broken heart?

C

You know, the guy that went and saw the Invisible Man with us.

F

Oh wait, because yours your actual dad that stroke the heart.

C

Yeah, I didn't understand. I was like, I don't understand what Ryan's talking about. Yes, massage the heart with doo doo hand. Not that's my dad dad. That's my birth dad. This is my stepfather. Kiss them both right in the mouth. This one he just texted me while we were recording and says, Just saw a movie preview on TV called Passenger, based on a movie you made.

F

And he's like uh how old is your eighty Yeah and he clocked it.

C

Based on a movie you made, a driver keeps passing the same guy on the highway after he finally initially crashes through the car's windshield. They stole your concept exclamation point four times. Thank you, Gary. Thank you, Gary.

D

A real one.

C

Real. homie You c you can expect a big fat kiss on the mouth when I see you Gary tomorrow.

D

In and I I think I read somewhere something uh there was like a synopsis of the movie and there's something about traveling in a van at night. I'm like, oh okay, there it is. You don't see the tr you don't see the van in the trailer, but if they uh if there's a a section in the movie where the The main crew is traveling in a fucking van in the night. Uh I mean there's no there's no two ways about it.

F

Very curious to see what the what the passenger looks like.

C

As if we didn't t ooh I we saw his dumb face.

F

Did we train?

C

For a split second. I'll tell you what. If as if we didn't hum each other's fucking numbers this whole time Listeners, if you haven't seen it, go search on YouTube for Night Drive Short Horror Film.

D

I mean you'll find a few, but

C

Let's search for the one that's Forever Midnight and Dog Film Night Drive Short Horror Film. twenty nineteen. Check it out. Then check the trailer or the passenger out.

F

Tell us what you think.

C

what you think. I know we already said this, but some people maybe skip that one.

F

Tell us if we should contact an old

C

Tell us if you have recomm recommendations for legal counsel. Because my stepdad Gary says we got ripped off and he's not

F

If an eighty year old man can clock that, then we're not crazy. We're not trying to just shoot our own horn. Yeah, sure he's your your stepdad, but like it's not like you're sitting there like telling him, Gary, these fuckers stole our shit. You know.

C

Yeah. Can you believe that?

F

That's crazy.

C

Gary clocked it. Gary's watching probably a basketball game. And it happened.

E

Right.

F

he's like wait a minute

C

That means it's on...

F

It's we've had a lot of people that have hit us up about it. Like it's it's that obvious that we've had people come to us. Yeah. Like not just one, not just two, but a a handful that have been like, hey, like

D

And it it makes me sad like looking at the comment section for like the promotion for the movie. What a scary idea. What a great idea. I'm like, oh y if only we had money.

C

If only

F

This could have been ours.

A

Oh.

D

And I uh it's like takes everything I may not be like, Hey check out fucking night drive comment section.

F

I know I I almost did the same thing, but I was like I don't want to do it on there'cause I'm gonna look like the fucking

D

Yeah, we're we'll look like tools like we like we do right now.

C

Listeners, what we're asking of you. Is to go find all those comments in the trailer and just copy paste that YouTube link. Oh, you should check out Night Drive.

F

Or yeah, or just say Forever Midnight's night drive. Did it did it first. Yeah.

C

Oh yeah. And then uh do they have middle finger emojis?

F

I mean you can all you could also say Creep Show two did it first first and then we did it second first. I mean it's a different story technically but still like you know

C

No, no. No, Brian, don't diminish the fact that you lived it. I know.

F

I know that's the thing is that.

D

It's not based off a you watching creep show. This is based off you laughing. Yeah.

C

Anyway, there we are. I had to pipe in because Gary texted me while we

F

Wild. And again, he's no young buck.

C

No, he's not he wasn't on fucking whatever dot com. Right.

F

Yeah, they've been going hard with hard like they have a lot of marketing budget for sure.

C

Sure. Maybe our parents are seeing it because our names and we are the writers and directors and uh of it and producers. Maybe those they're contacting everyone that they're showing it more in the households of which we grew up in.

D

Oh, God.

C

Like oh Josh Staples lived at this address, he wrote this movie, he wrote the screenplay so and did the music so

D

and fucking assaulting

C

Okay, let's go show his parents what how what he could have done if he only had more motivation and cash. Yeah, really.

F

It's the cash. That's that's what you know. So if anybody's got a bunch of cash they want to throw at us, we got

D

We got plenty of ideas. Did we talk about death lessons?

F

Well, yeah.

C

We take death lessons and that is we take eight of our best ideas, put them into death lessons. There you go. There we go.

D

It's all Okay.

F

Yeah, weird foot uh you know, fucking neck collector, like do it all spider snake. Yeah. Those were all good shorts. Death lessons. I love it.

C

You know who's got good shorts? It's Skindad.

F

He's got real good skin shorts.

C

Okay, sorry.

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