Welcome to Forever Midnight, a joyful discussion of horror in cinema with your hosts, Jeff Goldburn, Josh Staples, and Brian Henderson. 11.55. Almost midnight. Enough time for one more story. One more story before 20. is warm howdy what's up hello gentlemen konichiwa motherfuckers What's up? That means good evening. Bruno's that now. She does. Yep. My lady just came back from Japan. Nice. She's turning Japanese. I really think so. Yeah.
yeah she would love to love to move there right now yeah you know what there's those are the things you gotta know you gotta be like you can't just say konnichiwa every time of day you need to know that in the morning you say ohio ohio ohio ohio Oh, hi. Oh, Cleveland. Oh, hi. Like Toledo. Oh, hi. Oh, gozaimasu, bitch. And then, konnichiwa, of course, during the day.
And then Kanbanwa at night. Who says you can't learn something from our show? See, who said that? There you are. For most people who are going to go to Japan tomorrow and hadn't even thought about it, like, oh, fuck, I didn't even know that. Yeah. I mean, you have people like fucking deleting Duolingo off their phone right now. Yeah, deleted. Don't eat it now. Learned everything I need from Forever Midnight. Yep. FM lingo, dude. Flamingo. Is that how it works?
Professor Stapes in the house. Hey, I'm a professor. I've been to Japan more than one time, and now I know how to say hello, good morning, good night. You know how you say... I need an aspirin because I drank too much. How many highballs and I'm fucking hung over as shit? Is you go into a store and you go, ah!
ah, my head to a little old Japanese lady who speaks no English and she gives you an aspirin. Do you mind the Harry Carey sword? You go like this. You go like, gluk, gluk, gluk, gluk. Ah, my head. Gluk, gluk, gluk, gluk. She goes, I get it. I know what you need. and that's you can also speak mime that way that's good we learn all kinds of things you don't have to learn how to communicate to people i speak
Zero Japanese. The last time I went, I actually would say something to the microphone, kind of a long thing that was thanking people. And I took Japanese classes at the junior college and I had this woman, the teacher, I had her do some private tutoring as well. And it was great. Long forgot everything I knew. Everything. Except good morning, good day, good evening, and go, go, go, go, go, go. Ah!
those are the essentials you start off a show now can you eat your mom bitches oh yeah there's a bunch of other there's a bunch of little things and watching other japanese bands like they don't all say you know arigato between songs they say
like tiny little things like you know every time you play a show and after every song you don't say thank you very much right you say thanks yeah you say fuck yeah and those are the things you watch other bands do and you're like oh okay i could do that instead of just A big long-ass official thank you like you're talking to your granddad or a business partner.
Well, we're in December. Yeah. Happy wintertime. We are in the throes. It's cold out right now. It's cold. It's the coldest. Did you guys see that? We had like the... Like SF had, it's like the coldest it's ever been in San Francisco in 103 years. I fucking believe it, man. I've been freezing my willy off. Fucking cold. Yeah.
I'm freezing my thing off I should say freezing the thing off and it's like this is us in Northern California complaining like a bunch of bitches it was probably like 41 degrees people from like Michigan would have their fucking tops off We're at the beach. What are you fucking talking about?
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And by a kiss, that means your whole head in my head. Am I swinging around the room? Yeah, it gives you a French kiss. It's chugging you. It's doing a beer bong of your bod. Yes. As my tiny legs kick to and fro. Joy. Hither and thither. I can't believe we've never done the thing. It feels like we have.
I mean, you can't avoid talking about this one. It's so good. I mean, yeah, we've talked about it a million times. I feel like we have, but we're going to do it a proper style. Yeah, I mean, everyone that I mentioned it to, or at least commented or sent a message back, were like, Finally. Finally, something I've seen. It's true. It's true. discovered something. For 100,000 years, it was buried in the snow and ice. Now it has found a place to live, inside, where no one can see it or hear it.
or feel it i know i'm human some of you are still human this thing doesn't want to show itself it wants to hide inside an imitation it'll fight if it has to but it's vulnerable out in the open if it takes us over Then it has no more enemies. Nobody left to kill it. And then it's won. You guys gonna listen to Gary? He can be one of those things!
This is one of those movies for me. This is like one of the top when I say top three It's only very specifically top three for me because it was number one on a three movie VHS that I grew up watching at my friend Steve's house It started with the thing then was alien and then wrapped it up with poltergeist. And of course we're kids. So we're just trying to get to poltergeist. So I've seen this movie a lot of times in fast forward to get to poltergeist. Crazy. And same with alien too.
Not Alien 2, but Alien as well. That is one hell of a tape. That's a hell of a tape. Yeah, that's a good tape. Couldn't see shit because there's nine hours of fucking movies on the thing. Right, so it just scribbles. Yeah. Six hours, technically. But yes, all just waiting to get to Poltergeist. But I had watched it, and for me as a kid, it was a little dark.
I don't know if you guys know this movie's a little dark. In theme or in lighting? In lighting and in theme. Yeah, okay. Sometimes it's really bright. It's blinding snow, actually. When was the first time you guys saw this movie? Ooh. early teens, I think. Which was amazing because at this point I've already been drawing a lot of...
Mutants. That's like my big thing. Mutants. When I saw it, I was like, this is my fucking brain come to life. I love this. Where the fuck has this been my whole life? I was so fucking stoked. I was probably like 10 or 11 myself. I was 10. I think maybe nine, nine or 10. It fucked me up though. It fucked me like no other horror movie had. Oh yeah. It's very disturbing. Also. Cause I feel like I watched it kind of unsupervised. My dad.
Turned it on and then just wasn't around. And then my brother was cringing in some corner hiding or asleep or something. Trying to crawl up his own ass to die. Did you guys know anything about before seeing it? No. That is so bomb. It was just like my dad was like.
oh this one's good and I'm just like my eyes fucking pop out of my head like fucking one of the so you had no idea what was coming or what to expect nope unfortunately I had already kind of seen some of the creatures like oh I should watch that whatever that is because that's in it Right. Yeah.
But I was thinking about that today while watching. I'm like, fuck, to have been surprised by all this would have been so magical. Yeah, that was me. And so shocking and scary. I wonder if I... To not know what the big jump scares are and the big sequences and the... Man, it must have been fucking cool to see this in the theaters. It ruined me. It was on TV. It wasn't even on... I think my dad recorded it on a VCR off of TV or off of something. But it wasn't like he had the thing tape.
it was a recorded videotape. So I don't know. Yeah, me too. I think I might, and I'm thinking back on it because I feel like I'd seen highlights from it. I think I might have seen, was this part of, was parts of this movie in Terror in the Isles? Do you guys remember?
I feel like they might have had some highlights. It is like, if you're, it's anything though, it's so recognizable and memorable. So whatever, whatever highlight thing you saw, it would have been the dog. And then it would have been the scene where they're, where. They're testing the blood with the hot wire. Yeah. It would have been one of those two scenes. Those are the scenes that I remembered. And of course, the scene on the operating table. That was the one, bro.
the defibrillator test or scene not test but that particular chest scene was that's when i knew that i was in i was above my head i was i was i was like this is not i'm too young Hi. I look around for an adult. There's no adult. I'm like, I'm ready to be done now. Someone help me. Someone hit stop.
But it was, it was on the thing too. It was funny. I remember it was like on, like my dad didn't have like a normal TV stand. So it was like, I felt like it was like on a dresser. Cause he was like, my parents had been divorced and he was just like living solo. And it was like up high. And I remember just being like looking up at it.
and feeling unable to do anything about what was happening. Can't avert your eyes. Can't avert my eyes. And, you know, and just terrified, but like changed for the better. I fucking love that for you. Particular scene.
is relentless. Yeah. It does not let up. It's terrorizing. And again, not knowing that's coming, it must have been so shocking. Yeah. So crazy because it's a good... jump scare but also like who would have thought his fucking chest would just open up and bite off his arm like straight up like see that as a nine-year-old like trap jaw teeth like that's insane because we've already seen the dogs happen
So we know that there's some fucking lumpy, bumpy shit happening. Sure. Still unprepared for that. Yeah. And then the fact that I didn't actually even know this until today reading about that they use a real amputee. for that which I never clocked that that dude's wearing a mask it's for a split second yeah but like what the fuck like
But that, I mean, it was effective. And the editing's so good because he's distracting you with another situation going on on the side. So you're really not thinking about that coming, which is just so fantastic. Oh, it was fucking brutal. And then it doesn't stop there. He fucking lights it on fire.
fucking head comes off which is that turns into the most iconic scene of the whole fucking movie right like it's so fucked up and crazy and it to me it's like the epitome of that movie is that spider head like that's like oh yeah if you you know any anybody that thinks of the thing Like it or not, I bet the first thing they think of is that spider head.
They have to. The head upside down with the spider and the stalk sticking eyes on stalks. He's joking me. And then Palmer literally saying what every person watching that in the history of watching the thing has said, you've got to be fucking kidding me. It was so perfect.
because you're just like, yep, that's exactly what I just thought. And it's scampering away. In the movie, he's already taken over by the thing, so why would he say that? That's true. He's just playing the game, huh? There is a theory that they... They do keep their memories and their personalities, sort of. They have to. Because they speak exactly like themselves. They think like... They know the...
They have to play the game to assimilate into the group, right? To be unnoticed, kind of hold back, but also still kind of be themselves in a way. Because there's even a theory about that he was already turned when he mentioned Chariots of the Gods and stuff earlier in the movie.
people say i don't know i don't i don't know either i'm just saying that's a theory i don't know if that i don't know if i buy that one but that's funny to think about the alien talking about that book which is but certainly the uh oh fuck i can't remember the character's name right now but homie he goes
checks the wreckage the the spaceship with mccready and oh yeah dude like he's telling you like how long it's been in the snow you know like he knows firsthand because he's the thing at that point Oh, what the fuck? And he's just like, yeah, that's been there like 10,000 years or so. I'm like, oh, okay. You're just going to give away your... Wait, so it wasn't copper. Was it Norris?
Norris. Yeah, it was Norris. Norris was already taken over at that point. You see the dog go into his room and you see his shadow on the wall. Oh, that was him. Okay. That's before they went to the thing? Really? Yeah. So why didn't Norris take over MacReady? Because there's a guy watching them on top of the snow. Because they climb down with the ropes. There's a third person there.
It has to be alone. It has to be alone with you for it to take someone over. Crazy. I don't think I ever clocked that. I knew that somebody had... From the shadow, it looks like Norris. To me, it looks like Norris. There's debate on who it is because it's actually... I think it's like Nick Castle or something who played...
The shadow. So the shadow. So you can't quite know if it's him or the guy you're just talking about. Or they're pulling the Thanksgiving move where it's like you don't know who is getting assimilated. But I always thought it was Norris. I'm sticking by that. Yeah. But then some of the theories, right, it was Palmer.
Right. Right. It could have been, it could have been either. Yeah. I think it's meant to be ambiguous, but it, to me it looks like he's wearing Norris's outfit, like the turtleneck kind of thing. To me it looked more like that dude. It's, that is a really great, just the dog is such a great actor.
Oh my God. Everyone's a great actor, including the dog. It's crazy. How the fuck is every single creature in this like a great actor? I watch about like, it's like Keith David's like first movie. It's like some of these people that it's like, it's his first movie. It's his first. Yeah. His first fucking is incredible. And he's, steals every scene yeah you just can't keep your eyes off he's so goddamn good everyone in this movie is too good yeah windows i don't really love
he's kind of a he's a little shit he's a little shit but i but you kind of need that character and i i do like you know i love i like his character in warriors and i like well he's in warriors yeah and like just like seeing him and just like reading about the reason why he's even called windows and stuff where he like
like showed up to the to set and he's wearing glasses and he's what he's like talked to john carpenter he's like i want everyone to call me windows now because i guess he's wearing glasses and then for whatever reason john carpenter is like fine
What? That's why he has a weird nickname? That's the reason. Like, that's so fucking weird. Because I feel like John Carpenter is like a dude, at least nowadays, where he would be like, go fuck yourself. Yeah. In the script, something else. Yeah. I suppose he doesn't really care.
At the end of the day, like whatever, they want to be your name. So what? Yeah. I feel like John Carter was that kind of fool too. Just like, whatever. I don't want to sweat that thing, that detail. Like who cares? Maybe then. Cause I feel like nowadays he's so fucking outspoken about everything that like. Did I talk to you guys or was talking to somebody else about how he shat on the substance harder than I've heard anyone shit on anything?
And I was like, what the fuck? He's entitled to it. He'd be wrong, but that's okay. At the end of the day, he is a 75-year-old white guy. It's like, oh, okay. Oh, that didn't click for him? The movie of feminism?
movie like that? Right, right. Okay. Not surprised. But no shade on Carpenter. He's still the fucking man. Of course he's still the man. It's crazy to me that this movie was panned when it came out because it is just so fucking good. Not just panned, like ruined his fucking career right because it's like his first worry into like a studio movie he's doing it with Universal and then
it just took a dump and then yeah they fucked him the critics fucked him so hard and just I guess the timing of that movie fucked him so hard because E.T.'s out and everyone's like oh I love fucking me an alien it's funny that everybody put a fucking alien movie out that month right it was a huge alien month but
Most of it was like a positive alien time, not so much like end of the world alien shit. We weren't feeling that. How the fuck were they not feeling this movie? I still don't understand. No matter whether E.T.'s out or not or whatever the fuck you're watching, this is still so goddamn good.
part is it we're here we are critics were like nah this is trash worst thing i've seen people talking shit on the on the gory effects and i'm like i would say 90 of these effects still hold up today 2025 we're looking at it 40 some odd years later. And the creativity is undeniable. It's not just, you know, blood and some guts. Right. No. The things that it turns into and the shapes and the, it's beyond what most people can even think of doing. Right.
creative like how do you not give that props just for the creativity alone right and Rob Boutin being 22 years old landing himself in the hospital after all of it really straight fucking work till exhaustion yeah that's the thing he had so much to do with this movie being great because The idea is I didn't do any research except for I brought home a DVD and I was looking at just literally, you know, you still have to flip through and read the notes frame by frame. No, just like...
There's a special feature that's like production notes and it's just like letters on a TV. Early DVD shit. I was going early DVD shit saying like the original idea was that the alien would latch onto your head and read your thoughts and then showed pictures like sketches and like Star Trek. storyboard stuff and I was like that looks fucking dumb yeah
And then Bottin was like, it was his idea to make them a shapeshifter that tries to assimilate. It was his idea to come up with all these really great things that made the movie really what it was. And then even some of his drawings were like, that looks goof. That looks like a fuzzy teddy bear.
Do not put that in the movie. And sure enough, he's like, yeah, when I got, you know, when you get into it, it's going to be the grossest, most terrifying thing ever. Almost every scene you see, you're like, that looks like a Rob Bottin thing. Right. Every still. This is what the blueprint was.
Like for, for what we now know as Robert Boteen stuff, you know, like when we, when we see his shit now or to see, I didn't realize like that he did so many movies that I like love. Oh, what? Robocop, Total Recall, like fucking all this shit. Total Recall. Like, of course, like.
so that initial that original like split face body they find which is like one of the coolest fucking designs ever ever in the history of horror sci-fi whatever but that split face thing was originally based off of a cast by fucking that guy robert picardo i believe it too yeah robocop and fucking and yeah Not RoboCop, sorry. Total Recall. Total Recall. But, like, and then everything else. But, like...
I'm like, of course it's fucking Rob Bottin. How did I not ever really think about that? He's the best. He wanted to have Palmer's eyes bulge out of his head, and then he didn't do that. He used it for Total Recall. Which is my favorite shit he's done. They traumatized me as a kid watching that shit. Yanked down to the Mars air and getting fucking bulged. It's so scary. I want to do a little reminder of what came out in June of 1982. Okay, yeah, hit us.
E.T. came out. We know that. Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan came out. Okay. So sci-fi, sci-fi. Okay. Poltergeist came out that week. Okay. Paranormal. That month. Horror. Blade Runner came out that month. Sci-fi. That was the one I was thinking of. And The Thing came out that month. Right. All in the theater at the same fucking time. In the same... Around the same month. In the same month.
June of 1982. That is the greatest month of all time. That's just, I mean, there's more. There's a ton more. That's just one month. Those are the big ones. I would never leave the theater. I'll put a cot right back here, folks. It was only expected that people would have to then have something to be negative about if they're going to be so positive about another thing. Everything is too goddamn good. I guess this one's bad.
I don't know. I feel like people like Roger Ebert or Siskel and Ebert are like, well, we love E.T., so we've got to talk shit about the thing, and I guess horror is where we're going to do it at. It's always horror. Horror always gets fucking dumped on no matter what. Additionally...
Um, author, author was one, uh, fast times of Ridgemont high Rocky three. Or also on that same theater at the same time. Good God. Maybe they're leftover. They were. See, it's weird when you think about it. Cause like. Sure, like nowadays, there'll be a couple good movies in the theater at the same time. Sure, that happens. Whatever. But will we be looking at those same movies with the same, like, oh my gosh, in 45 years? Hell, no fucking way. 47 years, like whatever, like that's...
insane to think about. If we traveled back in time right now, we would never leave the theater. I certainly saw UT in the theater multiple times as a kid, but... I definitely saw The Wrath of Khan in the theater. No shit. At a drive-in with 9 to 5. Yeah, I saw E.T. at the drive-in. Love that. Was that a double feature? Yeah. What? Wow. Yeah, I mean, I never got to see the thing, obviously, in the theater. I don't think I've ever seen the theater.
I have once, and it was the first cult movie I ever saw. So cult series, I know it's probably done multiple times, I would imagine. And it was when I sent the text to Jeff, I think, immediately. I was like, Jeff, I just got off a bus because the bus was rerouted when they were redoing the fucking...
bus stop in town, rerouted the drop-off right in front of the movie theater. And I got off the bus and the bus pulled away. And I looked up and it said, this Thursday, the thing and they live. And I was like, what? fucking year is it and I went and I looked and I saw the flyer for the whole program and I was like oh my god this is happening in Santa Rosa
Shout out to the Colt Knights here in Santa Rosa from Neil. Definitely. Yeah, I'll go in tomorrow, baby. We love them. I mean, there's so many rad things that we've seen now. And what a blessing to have that in our hometown. Oh, my God. We've seen movies like The Thing and They Live as a double feature. Come on. That's incredible. Come on, BCA.
It was incredible. I never saw the thing in the theater, but when I saw it as a kid, it was too extreme and it was too slow for me to really get behind as a 10-year-old. It's just, I don't think it's a movie for 10-year-olds. Hey, I would agree with you. I don't think it is, yeah.
I think it's a movie for 12 year olds and 13 year olds. 10 year old me is still fucked up and crying. Yeah. Yeah. I just remember having just nothing but joy. I was old enough that it traumatized me and it was just exactly what I wanted to see. I just had. Yeah. Pure joy watching it. Just like, holy fuck. Where has this been this whole time? It definitely was.
After I saw it, it is one of my favorite films ever. Horror movies, whatever. It has so affected me that it's ingrained and I have a part where I'm like, that thing terrified me. But it is undeniable that it is fucking flawless. There are... Yeah, I agree. Sarah watched it with me this time and she didn't love the effects, but she's like, she hadn't really seen it all the way through before. She's like, the effects are kind of...
These are the best effects of 1982. First, that's real. But some of them linger a little long for the modern viewer. There's a few that don't hold up so well. The one with... windows in his mouth. The one I was just joking about. His doll body flapping around. It still is hectic. It's still very hectic and they chop it up and up editing that you don't really definitely when I was young.
never thought about it right now of course i'm scrutinizing everything i'm gonna talk about it yeah audiences are way more sophisticated now we all know how that shit's done like yeah yeah sure
Modernized doesn't quite hold up. We saw a modernized The Thing reboot. I don't think anyone wants to see that. Exactly. It was fucking horrible. It was all CG. It was fucking horrible. I mean, there was a couple things in there that obviously weren't CG, but for the most part... it dropped the fucking ball you don't want to see like i feel like even though it is like it's all tech all practical all like actual rubber and crazy shit that's what that's probably what
things like that would really look like sure they might look a little unrealistic but so does a real dead person right i'm afraid to say no doesn't look real yeah um and i feel like that's you have to it makes it even creepier somehow Yeah, let's say it's not a real person. It's an alien, you know, trying to replicate a person. So it's going to look a little off. So we'll just chalk it up to that. We'll chalk it up to that. It doesn't quite simulate.
perfectly yeah but i think for the most part like for me i like i was saying i think 90 of them still hold up and still are creepy and cool as fuck dude there's certainly less offensive on the eyes than a cg nightmare yoda flips that the thing remake was yeah or it's not the prequel prequel yeah the uh the other thing that shit hurts my eyes to look at I'm not I never saw I wasn't even trying to watch it straight awful but this like even the worst of
these effects I watch all day long as opposed to that shit. The caveat I will make is that Sarah said, those are kind of janky effects for being such a beautifully made movie. Like she goes, it sounds, the music is so good. So good. Cinematography, Dean Kundi's cinematography is.
Couldn't be better. There's nothing could be better about that. He's one of the greatest to ever fucking do it in my opinion. I still can't believe that he was in Santa Rosa. He's done all my favorite fucking movies. Yeah. I mean, we met him, and then I still, daily, I look at something and be like, oh, I wonder who the...
you know, some photographer was on this and like, Oh fuck. It's always him when it's the dopest. It's him. And the next in line is tack Fujimoto. He's so good. And then every, what has he done? He's, Well, tons of everything, but the thing I just saw that he had done was that Something Wild movie. He's done tons, tons of amazing stuff in the 80s in particular. Is this one of the first ones that John Carpenter didn't score himself to? I believe so, yeah, because he'd been...
Like you got fucking this guy with Inyo Morricone. God. Damn. But also, he must have given him some direction. It sounds like a carpenter score. The end theme is a carpenter thing. Of course, he's going to have input. He's a musician, and he usually does that, right? I wonder why he chose to do that. Just because he had money this time? Or maybe he didn't have the time, or something like that.
What was the choice, I wonder? Or maybe the studio had some input on that, too. They're like, we want you to fucking be directing. We want you to be focusing on this. Because they were even saying, I read this, too, where, like, Rob Bottin was supposed to play Palmer. Really? There was people on the effects team. I forget the guy's name in particular. One person in particular who was like, that's fucking bullshit. He can barely handle this. If he is going to also act in this, I'm quitting.
Straight up fucking I'm done. He's not an actor either, Rob Bottin, I don't think. I did find out that he was in New Hope as uncredited. Oh, really? the jizz whalers or whatever those creatures are called in the cantina. One of the weird mutants or the aliens? Yeah, one of the band, the tall band. Oh, really? The tallest one of the band people in the cantina. Wait, is that the first movie? Yeah. The first, the 77 or whatever?
He was like apprenticing under fucking Rick Baker and stuff. So was he fucking... I'm pretty sure they're called Jizz Whalers. We just got to emphasize that. Jizz Whalers. I never knew that. Because I heard some other names of those aliens I'd never heard of. Not the band, but just other ones within the Star Wars universe. Old Star Wars universe.
And I'm like, that's what that thing's called? That sounds fucking like a sex maneuver. Dude, yeah. You know how John Carpenter had the Coupe de Ville's as his band? Rob Bottin should have been Rob Bottin and the Jizz Whalers. He's got experience. Oh, dude. Do you see the Coupe de Ville they found? Or someone put out their record.
there's like more available in the world right now. I just saw three dudes signing records. They're out there in the world now. Really? Yeah. That is a little easier to take. to come across. We just were on a huge group chat, folks. We're talking about the Coupe de Ville's recently. And we were like, have you seen this band? And it's like, hold on. Is it Nick?
Nick Castle. Nick Castle. Carpenter. What's his name? Who's the guy who was in Halloween 3? It's the director. Tommy Lee Wallace. Yeah. The three of them, they're all... already like so nowadays i mean we they're a household name right they're legends but then we you're like oh this is this this record is gonna lick and we played it and i was like guys it's sick it's sick it's sick and then i was like
I was in the middle of ditching Spotify, and I was trying to test other streamers. And when I tested YouTube music, whole album's there. Really? Whole album is there for you to listen to. Wow. Yeah. What about Rob Marley and the Juice Whalers album? I need to look it up. I'm pretty sure I wonder if I've read that but never pronounced it out loud, and that's why it's so jarring. Is it like G-I-Z? It's Giz. It's like Gif or Jif. It's pronounced Gizwheeler.
What are the names of the aliens in the Star Wars band at the cantina? Yeah, J's Whalers. It is J's Whalers. Straight up. I was right. I know my shit. Oh, but the names of the aliens are Figrin Dion and the Modal Nodes. but they specialize in the music genre of jizz yeah that's when they whale of the particular like the band leader in this band was like but their their species is jizz whaling
No, that's the music genre. They're jizzwalian. Oh, what? Really? Is that what it is? They're jizz players. Yeah. I will say, though. I mean, I think any kid that ever saw Star Wars A New Hope, that's the best scene in the whole fucking movie. It's a great one. Is the fucking cantina, right? It's a great scene. It's fantastic. I want movies with all those motherfuckers.
Yeah. A little Batman. A little fucking... Show me the backstory of Satan, who's actually at the bar. I mean, if you watch any of the fucking Mandalorian, they're all showing up. But we get a second of them. I want to fucking... Dude, take me on a ride, Batman. Take me on a ride, Teton. Have they done a Greedo series? They've had Next. They've had little Greedos. You've had young Greedo. Yeah. Yeah.
Had little bitch-ass Greedos. I mean, and that species shows up every one of these fucking Disney Star Wars things. It's a good one. It was one of my favorite action figures as a kid. Oh, yeah. Having Greedo. Sick. Didn't he re-edit that so that Greedo shot first? He re-edited it three or four times now, so it's different. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. Yeah, there's different versions of that. Back and forth. Yeah. But that's a moral problem. He shoots first. Yeah.
The other guy shoots first, and then they shoot the same time. And there's so many versions of that. You can't seem to get it right someday. Someday I'll get it right. Because in some of those edits, Han Solo's the bad guy. Like, right? Like he's the bad guy. The initial one that I saw in the theater in 1977 and again in 78, Han Solo blasts Greedo unprovoked at the table. Yeah. I mean, he was, Greedo was trying to take him in and did have a gun on him. Right. But he wasn't going to shoot him.
Right. We don't know. No. And you tell me that Greedo can't hit him from under a table. Whoever shot first died. Yeah. Whoever shot first killed. That's what I meant to say. Her first shot first won that fight, won that duel, because you're literally point blank. They both had a head full of jizz at that moment. Jizz was just wailing all over the place. Blue milk and jizz, yep.
You can't think straight when you have a head full of jizz. Tell me about it. It could affect you. Especially on an Earth with two moons. It could end your life. It's true. Just hits different. But back on Earth with the thing. With one of these jizz whalers that came down 10,000 years ago. I always forget about the opening scene where you see a straight flying saucer. I forgot about that, too. And it's goof. It's goof. It reminds me of...
The opening scene for Night of the Creeps also, where I'm just like, I don't need to see these aliens. These aliens are dumb. I don't need to see their little ship or what you think that their ship would look like in 1982. Flying Souser. What the fuck? it actually looks like to fly a saucer like that and have a little cockpit and like, what is this thing? I thought it was just like a bunch of, yeah.
cells that are all independent of each other like how are we doing piloting something yeah what what and flipping switches and what two eyes it has real eyes it needs eyes it doesn't seem to need jack shit yeah you think it'd be a puddle yeah you know like yeah But it's funny when it's like, when later on, when is it... God damn it. Unless it assimilated to some alien who did need a pilot's license. Yeah.
you know i like that where he's just like maybe he came down as a fucking wait who assimilated before they can fly who another maybe another alien that he got just so he could ride the fucking maybe yeah maybe that's not even their normal ship i mean that's just one that they assimilated they took just like they were
building a ship in this one. They're just like, well, I just got to get somewhere else. Exactly. I just got to get somewhere. He built a helicopter. I love that Blair's just building a fucking tiny, it reminds me of in Better Off Dead when it's like he's building a space shuttle of household appliances. It's a tiny space shuttle.
What do they have that is going to get him anywhere? Yeah, pieces of a tractor and a helicopter, and that guy made a saucer. I guess there's a lot of gasoline they could light on fire to have an explosion. Don't forget he made a saucer that's a five-foot saucer down there.
granted if he's that old right that being is that old and that probably smart then he has some kind of knowledge of way beyond our understanding of aerodynamics and if they're assimilating people they have their knowledge too right right so think that's what i think of like
It's like Slither, where they... are you know everything they they assimilate they take their stuff or whatever and that's why like earlier when she's got the fucking slug in her mouth and she can like see all his memories also yeah of him taking over planets and all the stuff forever and ever So, yeah, he's got some fucking knowledge. And worlds of it, too. Right. So, yeah, just because we can't think of how to build a saucer out of a tractor, maybe he can?
Didn't get too far, but you know. There's things about this movie. I mean, I saw this movie most times I've seen it. I was too young to really get what was going on. I was just kind of waiting for the gory beats. I was waiting for those three big scenes. Yeah. The end didn't interest me as a kid. None of it did. With the Blair monster or with Childs and MacReady? All the drama didn't interest me as a kid. Gotcha. And it's mostly drama. This movie is a... Oh, yeah.
is a drama and it's about paranoia and it's about no one being able to trust anybody but people say it's an allegory for AIDS epidemic yeah 80s as well but uh I don't know whether you want to believe that or not. I'll enjoy that thought. It was pretty early for that, but it would be interesting. They were saying they were kind of like a bunch of men who gave who what kind of thought. What do you have in your blood? It's something that you can acquire, but you don't look sick. Right.
It's there if you want to read into it like that. I don't think that was their intention making the movie. The writers say now they recognized it, but it wasn't intentional. It certainly was on people's minds at the time. seeped in. Maybe it didn't. I don't know. But I love when shit has layers to it. Leave it to the horror genre to make it work that way. So those parts I didn't really care about when I was a kid. And the certain things that didn't...
stand out to me or were impressive to me as a kid are now the few times that I've seen it as a grown person. Like I saw it, I saw it when it came on DVD the first time I saw it in the theater when I saw it with they live. Did we go see that together?
I'm pretty sure we did. Yeah. I remember seeing that. And then I saw it again last night. Okay. So I'm like, these are the three times I've seen it as a grown ass adult. That's crazy. Um, but I've got, it's one of those movies. I'm like, I don't have to watch it again. Cause I've seen it a thousand times, but only I seen it like. probably 10 times as a kid and three times as an adult. Things that stood out to me this time are the spaceship at the end is silly.
It's a very silly idea that he's been down there doing that. Right. Because how long has he been assimilated for? Because he's sitting there with a noose and he's trying to talk. 12 hours. No, no, no. They say it's about over two days. Okay. They do a huge time jump and like... Something happens and then next thing you know, McCready's like talking about how long it's been. It's been over 48 hours. And that was like plus eight hours from when the last scene he was just in. Yeah, yeah.
It's been at least two days that he's been digging a little tunnel and fucking around. But did he dig the tunnel unassimilated? first to try to escape? Or was that the alien completely? That was definitely the alien. No human can make a fucking tunnel with his hands like that. Yeah, for sure. But I mean, if he has a shovel or something, you know. They put him in there.
Yeah, he wasn't assimilated. Yeah, human then. Something went in there and got him. Someone got him eventually. But did the assimilated version or did his human version make the noose, which I always think is so funny. See, I think he was about to kill himself.
before he got assimilated that's why noose is just chilling there okay i think he was on the verge of just fucking calling it a day yeah it's so funny to me that wilford brimley is the fucking dude that's going ham bone with an axe and a pistola in that scene where he was only like 20 years old i'm just kidding i was i was almost like yeah he's a guy that's looked so old his whole life yeah he was born he was only in his 40s that's what i'm saying
But that is crazy, though. I've seen that before, too. Wilford Brimley's in his 40s. We are not the same. And if you put Jeff in a picture of Wilford Brimley together, that's your grandfather. We're not the same. There's no fucking way. That is so funny to me. And the other thing I take from it is that Wilford Brimley is the final boss in one of the greatest horror movies ever made. He fully is. He fully is. Totally. I mean, when he fucking goes, when he's handling...
Handling Viz down there, he is like, he's putting his fucking hands in that dude's face. Suck that dude's face right off his fingies. That's when Sarah said, I don't like the effects. She's like, I don't like stretchy face. I think that one's still legit looking. I like stretchy face. Yeah, but it was when I was a kid, I was like... Plus, you know, I want to go ahead and say when I saw this movie as a kid, again, on a square TV, on a six-hour LP tape. I didn't see a thing, guys.
Literally. I didn't see a thing. I didn't see anything. You're like, there's a monster here? I'm like, why is this called a thing? There's no thing. To be fair, it was very cold out. And sometimes my thing gets very small and hard to see when it's cold. Blurry. My thing gets blurry. when it's cold. It's shaking so fast. Don't look too hard. It's blurry right now. It's blurry. It's actually...
Really big. It's a total monster. I swear. I swear. It's a beast. You sure it's not just a blur? It's a cloud. You have cloud dick. Blur. You need glasses. Shut up. But that is amazing, though, the thing. The Wolverine is legitly... the final boss of the thing yeah I never thought about that again it's one of the greatest horror movies what you just said one of your favorite horror films Wilford Brimley is the main and final villain yeah
Damn. If you would have told me that, like, I've never seen this movie, and someone's like, no, but Wilford Brimley's the final boss, you couldn't pay me to turn it on. Well, I guess that's where the critics were, right? Wait a second. Wilford Brimley? This movie sucks. He could have chosen anyone else in this cast. You could have interchanged anyone else to be that final thing. And it's so weird that it ends up with him. Child is the most menacing out of all.
the guys yeah and i even think uh and he's totally normal the whole movie mostly until the end what's his name he's so lovable and no matter what he's always we love him of course we love him i think clark would have been rad just because he's so big but he's so reserved
you know but i like his red hair because you would suspect him right away and you do the dogs yeah and he's a little he's kind of a loner he's already on his own he's a little weird yeah but i like you know like he that actor i like in general he's fantastic i love him in like uh License to Drive and stuff. He's like the father. He's in every 80s struggle too. So much shit. Love him. The miniseries. I did think it was funny that I read that him and...
or Keith David were like, hey, we're like the biggest guys in the cast. So our character's personality should be like... like totally different from each other so like he's reserved and quiet and Childs is not you know is like very much not that where like MacReady's kind of in the middle or you know whatever but like
I thought that was interesting that the two big guys just decided that that was how they were going to play it. That's great. I mean, the cast, and obviously John Carpenter, too, did a great job of having a big cast of people, and everyone is distinct, and you know who the fuck everyone is. And that's...
hard to do and you don't have a lot of time to like set everybody up you know yeah yeah exactly because most most movies like there'll be if there's like 12 people then just like there's like a blur half of them are a fucking blur but i know who the fuck every one of these dudes is yeah When something goes down and goes off. They made everyone...
pretty clear and pretty distinct right away. Right. And also by hiring good, interesting looking actors. So they'd be like, oh, that guy doesn't, that white guy does not look like that white guy. T.K. Carter looks like nothing like anybody else in the home run. And he's, that guy, I love that guy to death. Totally. funny and everything he's in not in this though
No, he's not funny in this. He doesn't say anything funny in this movie. He's one of the funniest. He's a comedian. I again mentioned TV's bloopers and practical jokes. One of the only distinct things in that tape is T.K. Carter imitating Bill Cosby. And it's one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life. But it was. That guy was always so funny in my childhood in this movie. That's the thing. Wilford Brimley, too. I'd seen him in Cocoon by the time I had really...
seen this as an adult. He was only 10 when he made cocoon. All those jokes about his penis were very illegal to have made. But no, it is kind of almost like they kind of had everybody, not everyone, but like playing kind of against the type, at least all the peripheral characters, you know? Yeah. I mean, Kurt Russell, he's, you know, I guess, except for when he was doing Disney shit back in the day, like is primarily the heavy.
main dude. He's going to be the star. He's going to be the hero. He had really done a whole lot besides these... John Carpenter is the kind of person that brought him from childhood acting into grown-ass man acting, right? At least as far as like...
Being a badass. Because Escape from New York is before this. 78 or something like that. Yeah, Escape from New York is before this. They were talking about this movie on the set of Escape from New York. But he wasn't the first choice for that McCready character.
And also, Carpenter wasn't the first choice to direct this thing, which I thought was interesting. I think it might have been the first choice, but then quickly they passed on him. For McCready or for? No, for Carpenter. Yeah, because Toby Hooper they wanted to because they had him under contract. Yeah. So they had him write some shit. Yeah, they had a verse. They're like, womp, womp. That stinks. Yeah. And then wasn't it that Carpenter put parts of the thing in Halloween?
And they're like, all right, dude, you can do it. And Halloween was hugely grossing movie. They're like, okay, yeah, you can. And no budget. You did a lot with no budget. Yeah. You got to love for the thing. You can do the thing. But yeah, I mean, you know, and of course, like.
They took it a different direction than that original thing, for sure. Yeah, for sure. But like, isn't the original thing a fucking, is it a cucumber or some kind of fucking vegetable? I think it might be a carrot. Yeah, some fucking bullshit. We talked about it before. We've talked about the thing a lot before because I do remember once mentioning that my dad... I was like, oh yeah, the original thing really scared me. Because he's like, you don't know if it's a guy or a vegetable.
Like, ooh, shut up. What are you talking about? I don't know if you're a guy or a vegetable dad. He must be a vegetable. We thought that movie was scary. But I hear it is scary. And John Carpenter said it scared the shit out of him.
I mean, I can imagine, like, you know, when you're, yeah, 10 in 1947, whatever it came out. The original movie, like... the short story is not a vegetable right it's it's more like an actual alien but they're like oh frankenstein was popping off so we just made a frankenstein guy who's carrot Half-carat. Half-carat. Spiky hand. Yeah. Yeah. Rutabaga-stein. You look so dumb. That original... It does. It looks like a dumb guy. Yeah. It is horrible.
I'm the thing. You're the thing from another world. You're the guy from another state. To think that they would be like, let's make a remake of that. You'd be like, no. No, let's not. Well, that's a good one to remake because it's not that good. You can do better. You can do better than this. I know it.
Even though that was a very successful movie, The Thing. Don't fucking remake shit that works still. It doesn't make sense. My dad would argue that the original thing worked, but he was also a kid. Yeah, I do like the idea more of taking the...
shitty movies and then remaking them as opposed to remaking ones that are decent when they come out the first time. Yeah. You know, you don't need to... We talked first. I want to do a little hard interjection here. Uh-oh. Because I think it might be fun. Jeff, you love the new Frankenstein, right? No! Fuck no, I hate it with all...
I think I might have too. I think I might have hated it as well. It's the biggest piece of shit. I don't know what... I fucking loved it. Everyone's smoking. I fucking loved it. What are y'all smoking? I didn't want to. I didn't want to love it. I fucking ended up loving it. I'm actually in the middle, but at the... There's so many...
things i hated about it one of them is that i'm just tired of the story again like same thing i complained about not seeing the story so many times that it's exhaust me to even see it again i'm like i'm watching it a little bit through jeff's eyes and i'm watching little guillermo things through in the past too i'm like was it any for liking this guy I don't think I am but I do see why you don't like him why is everything with that fucking
wide lens or whatever the fuck that it were just everything looks kind of fish-eyed it's fish why is every it's not appropriate for every goddamn shot you use that for specific reasons to make make the audience feel a certain way not for every goddamn moment it's so boring it's so ugly it fucking sucks and they butchered the fucking story they butchered it as much as I complain about not loving remakes of movies that are like it's an x-men movie this isn't a frankenstein adaptation this is
The first half is like, might as well, it's saber tooth and fucking fighting Wolverine. Like, what the fuck is this horse shit? He's regenerating all of a sudden. What garbage? What trash? Yeah, he can't die. I love it. Anyway, the point, the point I'm trying to make here is that even though I complain all the time about being so sick of the Dracula story.
tired of the fucking wolf mangs and frankenstein can go fucking fly a kite tomorrow i'm gonna go see teen wolf and once bitten in the theater believe that those are remakes of the wolfman and dracula those remakes don't bug me very much
Well, they're earlier on, you know? Yeah, they were the early remakes of Dracula and the Wolfman before we were sick to death of all these fucking... you know put a twist on it and i think that is the key with the thing don't make the same fucking exact story with the same exact characters like the thing is is new because it's so interesting and it's got such a new concept and i can see why people didn't like it because it's bleak
And they're not used to that. That's the thing. You just got out of fucking E.T. and you're like, that was fun. It filled me with joy. I loved it. It was sad for a second I thought I was going to die, but he didn't. And now he's in heaven. The stars. You're like, I like the John Carpenter movie I liked had girls in it. This one has no women in it. I don't understand how it ends. What happened there? It didn't even end. Everyone died.
I remember when I saw the first episode of Lord of the Rings in the theater and I was so juiced because of Peter Jackson just because of the whole like it's I knew that is going to be one of three movies yeah it ended on a cliffhanger and the guy was I heard a guy go Rip off. I was like, what are you talking about? You just watched a three hour movie that was nothing but like special effects adventure and wild crazy madness. Just serving up shit to you. I did say, what did...
What an achievement that first movie was. He spent $10. And the guy's like, rip off. Were you not entertained, dude? Apparently not. Give me a break. Everyone knew going into that. That was part one. Yeah, of three, you dumb fuck. How are you supposed to end it? How did you not know that? I want the whole nine hours right now. It doesn't work. You don't do that. What the fuck? But I feel like this movie.
He doesn't have his time. He's ready for a binge culture, and you didn't know. We didn't know then. He started Netflix, I guess. To counter his experience of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. I want everything immediately. um and then like because the movie doesn't start and doesn't end it starts mid yeah story mid story it ends mid story yeah you never know what happens i love how ambiguous the ending is and just how like carpenter will never
ever say it the right way or the way that at least he wrote it. He'll never admit who is or is not the thing at the end. And he's changed his story around multiple times. Like every time he's asked about it, he'll say something else and say whatever. And it's always like, so it's just up to the viewer. And I love when they go to the Norwegian camp and it's just like, there's a fucking story here. We don't really get to know too much about it.
I don't need to know we don't need to make that prequel but like I love that there's so much implied and you can just fill in the gaps yourself and that's great like wow we are right in the middle of some crazy shit the craziest shit went down here yeah and again like we very early in the movie we get that fucking
twisted pile of body weirdness. No! And I still... Everyone talks about the face, but look at the legs and all the other parts. It's insane. It's fucking a mess. When Wilfred Brimley's character is cutting it open, he's like...
Well, he looks and he's like, all right, here I go. I got the knife. Here I go. And he's just grunting and like ready to barf the whole time. And he's like, well, it's got a bunch of organs in it. The organs look normal. See, normal. You're like pulling them out of this fucking thing that looks like a fucking... Looks like every animal combined. Yeah, yeah. Looks like if the zoo got into the fucking Brundlefly machine. Every bug, every worm, every dog, every camel. And two guys.
I do think it's funny at the end when the dog pops out of his chest. Because I'm like, remember me? Yeah, it's like, remember me? But it's like, why? Like, why are you showing me this dog right now? It's neat. We still got one of these dogs. Surprise, doggy! Yeah, but I mean, it's still rad. I love the fucking Blair Monster, but it's, I would say, the goofiest one out of all of them. Oh, yeah.
That is the one that was maybe where Sarah was watching. She's like, that's kind of cool. Well, and that one was, that was Stan Winston. Right. Winston. Well, no, he did the... Step away. The dog in the kennel, too. Yeah, he did that one. That was great. Those are great. Stan Winston's amazing. He's a genius. And that was because, literally, Botin ran himself ragged. He almost died. He lived in the studio.
And worked seven days a week for over a year. Oh, I wonder why you got fucking... Yeah, let's call him one of the greats to fucking help out. Get Stan Winston on this bitch. Yeah, so like he'd... before he even started this, probably knew that was going to happen and got Winston's whole crew signed on to basically be like, I'm going to fucking die. So when I'm dead, you guys take over here from here. I'm just going to tag you as I'm on the way to hell.
Where I belong. For scaring pretend-year-old Brian. I read some bullshit, though. I've never heard him say this, Boteen, but like... It stayed the same thing. He worked himself to exhaustion. He lined it up in the hospital. He had a bleeding ulcer. Oh, my God. But then it also said, and he was having nightmares of the horrible creatures he created.
And I'm like, that was fucking added by whoever put this fucking trivia into the thing. I don't think I've ever seen him say that. No. I think he might have had nightmares about his deadline. Yeah. He had nightmares about, like, I'm supposed to make a head turn into a spider? Like, what?
All I'm thinking about is these effects. Yeah, you're going to dream about it. That's all you're thinking about. That's all you're doing day in and day in. Sure, it's going to seep into your dreams. That's not nightmares because you created a scary creature. That's fucking bullshit. The incredible...
most alien motions in this movie are all done in reverse right all that stuff that i feel like a lot of that had to be done reverse certainly the like the cord shooting across everything crawling yeah all the things whipping out those like it's just incredible when when is it benning's when he's outside
when they run up on him? Well, first, when he's... mid assimilation windows watches and he's got all the fucking tubes around him and then I remember that was like really fucked me up too but when he's outside and he just starts howling and he's got like 16 hands all stacked on top of each other and I was like that's fucking amazing
that's terrifying the sound is insane like the design for that i couldn't like this this watch i just found it so funny like he's in the storage room they're cleaning up the storage room right there's that body in there any windows leaves to like grab the keys or whatever and he's like yeah i gotta get a few things and
There's just a shot of him presenting his ass to the creature just in the background. And you see this stuff dripping. I'm like, that is so funny. I've seen nothing but his ass just like shaking. Like, come and get it. Come and get it, boys. Did they do that on purpose as a joke? Because that's making me laugh so hard right now. I watched that. I didn't clock that, but that's really funny. They need to put, like, a bolt in a can and go... It's coming at it.
dinner bell um i love that actor is in every fucking thing ever that guy's in everything that plays benny yeah peter maloney he's in everything peter baloney's his name peter baloney peter maloney Peter Baloney. I don't recognize him. Seriously, I was just looking at him all kinds. I just saw him in something recently and I was like, oh shit, that's a guy from the fucking thing. Yeah, I don't know if I recognize Peter Baloney either. Peter Maloney, gentlemen.
Well, Peter Pepperoni, I've never seen him in anything. He was in Requiem for a Dream. Oh shit, Private Parts? He was in Summer of Sam. He was in Private Parts. He's in Real Things. He's in... all kinds of real things and just literally thousands of real things wow yeah he's wow as who like cab driver just like oh he was in Manhunter and Desperately Seeking Susan as what as who he's just a character actor oh my god like everybody in this movie he's a character
in Manhunter, which he looks like a doctor. He's like forever bald. Forever bald. I mean, he's got such a distinct look whenever you see him. Every time I see him, I'm like, that's the guy who had 16 hands in the thing. Yeah.
The sound scares me almost more than the way he looks in the hands and all that shit. It's an inhuman sound coming out of this, like... their friend i love the sound design for like screeches and the like yells of the creatures absent of music in all the best scenes yeah like when they and every time they torch somebody it's so instant and so terrifying but there is like a
like music cues when they're getting to like reveal what, whoever's the thing that's happening. Oh yeah. But then of course, and it just dies out and there's just like crazy. Like in the defibrillator scene, there's no sound. All you hear is fire and. chaos and when the head is stretching off you hear all the stretching and like and ripping of stuff it's so amazing
I like all the blue lights they put everywhere, too, to make it look extra cold. Yeah. I like that. It's a nice little touch. Because it feels that way. It definitely feels... I mean, it looked cold as fuck. I don't think you needed the blue lights, but it sure helped. Yeah. It's a good looking, especially contrast with all the... and all that kind of stuff. Also, when you have all the pink flare with the fucking ring on it, the widescreen. Like, you don't have a fucking flashlight, but it...
The flair looks better. The flair looks so much better. Of course, the actors are burning their hands left and right. Everyone's huffing that sulfur gas. Everyone's fucking blind from it right in their face. They were saying like... when he finally gets back in after he got the line cut and he's all frozen and shit and he's got dynamite strapped to himself and he has the one flare he got everything out he has a little
you know thing he has to say real quick but he gets it done hella fast because he wanted to get it done before the flare ran out and burned his fucking hand so he's just like gets it all the info like out real quick and like I'd forgotten about that too the intrigue we don't know if McCready's even like a human right
For a good chunk of the movie, you're like, you know, up until the blood thing happens and then you're like, you know. I'd say up until he's threatening to kill everyone with dynamite, the thing would... it's trying to protect itself at all costs. It's not going to threaten to blow itself up. It bluffs other times. It could bluff. Yeah. You're right.
You're right. But that scene where they finally do make it. But he doesn't want the spotlight on it as much as he has it on him. Yeah. Because even like when Palmer is that, he's usually the outspoken guy and he's being very quiet when that's happening. And Norris, you're like, well, we all think Norris could be in charge.
if you guys don't trust me and he's like no I'm not up to that yeah no I don't want that yeah but by that point we'd already seen him having belly aches eating fucking bad fucking beans or something so the amazing
My favorite beats I took from this watching of it was when MacReady's finally testing the blood with a flamethrower and a fire, which is such a great scene. That scene. That jump scare got me. It's so tense when he's like talking to the... the main old guy whatever his name is the guy eyebrows mcfuckin oh yeah the tax the tax man from popeye yeah yes exactly that's how you know him he's in so much shit but he's in so much shit so we're talking to him i love you brad
Gary is his name. Yeah, Gary. They're talking about Gary. And he says like, I'll save you for last. And then right as he does that, he's not really thinking about putting the wire in. And that's when it jumps out and becomes so crazy. Because he doesn't make bombers it. So you think yeah it's incredible i do love that because like when i was originally saw that again that scared the fucking piss out of me and
To this day, I still kind of get that jump. Yeah, I got the jump. I'd forgotten that that was the beat, and it scared me this time, too. It's good. That's great. I feel like people have ripped that scene off so much in cinema. It's such an effective scene, and it's just so good.
good yeah i haven't i've only watched that prequel once but isn't there a scene i want to say there's a scene like that in that prequel but i can't erase it from my memory i couldn't okay delete control all delete delete it I never did watch it, and I hope to never have to.
X-Files have done that scene. There's a direct thing X-Files. It's called Ice. It's like totally inspired by the thing. It's just a straight. It's episode eight. I actually need to go back and watch because I know I've seen it, but I don't really remember it. But now I read today. I'm like, oh, yeah, there is.
It's called Ice. I should go look at it. They're not even trying to hide it. We just like this. We're not going to call it a thing. X-Files did that a lot. Very much inspired by Ice. That's cool. Now I want to go watch. Yeah, I mean, there's been definitely other movies that have done that, you know, and it's all inspired by this shit. I mean, it was such a great idea to begin with when Richard Dysart, who I love to death, who plays Copper, the doctor. Yeah.
And he has a fucking nose ring? Did he have a nose ring? I thought he had a nose ring. I always thought that was so... I'm like... I just don't expect a gentleman that looks like him, an older man like that to have a sweet ass nose. Not 1982. It just seems like an interesting choice. I saw it and I was like, is that what it is?
Is that a nose ring or is it like just something? I'm pretty sure it's a nose ring. Well, there's also, there's also this, this, the theory that like for the ending and for that, that the thing can't assimilate inorganic matter. So child's has an earring in the end. But that's something that was presented in the sequel, in the prequel. That's not presented in this movie. I'm just going from reading theories on the thing. But so his nose ring, though...
is also a thing where, because he never was the thing. Yeah, he never was. They tested the dead guys, too. So, like, in the theory, it works where, like, oh, yeah, he had that because he also wasn't. the thing and child's wasn't the thing. I guess clothes are not inorganic. They're organic. They tear clothes off and then slip into new clothes. Yeah, they're not growing clothes.
Right. They're slipping the new clothes, huh? Maybe he's slipping in that earring too, Charles. And he's like, well, I need this. Pop that right in. Pop that right where I'm putting my underwears on. We did interview Tom Atkins a long time ago, and he had fond memories of Richard Dysart and called him Dickie D down by the sea. And now I can't think of anything else when I see Richard Dysart. I forgot about that.
that's amazing yeah when he's when like when he's talking about the whole blood thing it's a great idea to begin with like it's he's like oh i could we could test this blood against other blood and see you know yeah i want to go check the who do you think did the refrigerator
I'm always still confused by that. Who compromised the blood in the refrigerator? Someone stole... gary's key right and did it so but windows dropped the key uh they make a big thing of the sound you just hear it clank on the ground when he runs away from um homie getting in the storage facility i see
And you see all the tentacles on him. You see Windows drop the keys because he ran off. He left them alone to go get the keys and comes back to hear clink on the ground and he runs away. So anyone could have got the keys. But he said the keys for the refrigerator with the blood were only on Gary. And he would give them to Doc. Copper And then Copper would just give him back to Gary He said they were always on him That's why they all assumed it was Gary Right
But that's the one part of this movie where I'm constantly scratching my head. I'm pretty sure that's what the thing with the keys were. Why would they make such a big thing about this sound of the keys dropping? Yeah, I don't know. Because it seems weird. They said that he didn't have the key for the blood, though. The windows didn't.
I don't know who got it. They would go run and get keys from someone or somewhere. I don't know. This movie was not meant to be dissected like this. They made this in the 80s and they didn't know about YouTube culture and people going fucking crazy. watching shit over and over again and dissecting it like this. I think they did their job to make red herrings and things like that. I don't think they were thinking about earrings and bullshit like that at all. Yeah, I don't...
I don't need to know who the thing is at the end, and I don't really ever think about it. It's not until I have to talk about it that I'm thinking about, like, oh, was it MacReady? Was it Childs? I don't care. Yeah. To me, it's like, it's bleak as fuck because regardless of what they are, they're dying there. I think about this too. This is 1982. This VHS came out. I was thinking about the idea of YouTube culture and being able to back stuff up. I'm like, how did I even...
How did anyone I know even have tapes? VHS's players were like three grand in the early 80s. Dude, my dad worked for an oil company. He had fucking dough when he was separated from my mom. The people I knew worked for a chemical company and they had dough. Because you need two VCRs to make that happen. You need two VCRs. Unless it was on television.
then you can yeah well these these were hbo or whatever these guys the people i know they were renting stuff at the railies bringing it back with blank tapes taping them onto these films yeah i think my dad was early days of netflix we were doing that shit josh oh yeah we were
We would get those DVDs, burning them. We had a way to de-encode them, rip them, and then we had a tower where we would duplicate them for everybody in our... You think I don't got a binder full of movies I'll never watch? Yeah. I sure do. That rules. Sometimes I watch them. I think my dad was just duping them off of HBO.
That's how my fame was. We had HBO or something. We were just taping them off. If I was 10, it would have been 85. That's three years after this movie came out. It would have definitely been on HBO by then. and readily available if you were rich enough to have a fucking... If you didn't want to pay for your kids and you were divorced and you had a nice VCR...
You could do it. But that's the thing I always think about, too. I'm like, people weren't backing stuff up. Again, the quality of the thing I was watching looked like shit. Yeah. You wouldn't even know he had a nose ring. No. There's no way. I didn't notice until... You didn't even have a nose? Yeah. But then you see, like... You could back stuff up all you want. That's a...
that's the technology like that is sort of kind of ruined movies for some people. Like the magic of something happening quickly. It's a sleight of hand thing. Oh yeah. If you back it up over and over again, you figure it out. Oh yeah. It's like a magic trick. It is a fully in a magic trick. And then in the late eighties, I didn't have a,
freeze frame that was worth a shit and then in the late days I had a VCR that was like a frame by frame when you could do that oh shit the frame by frame that was a game changer for jerking it oh big time for jerking it and for jacking it all three Yes, sir. The big three. And the occasional gory effect, of course. No.
Just jorking it, jerking it, jacking it. Just ejaculate flying frame by frame across. Just jizz wailing all over the place. All the jizz wailing you can handle. I mean, I definitely watched Bad Taste, the scene where Derek falls off the cliff. In slow motion, frame by frame, over and over and over again. Jerk off to. Because I was just jerking to this poor man dying on a cliff. Having his head pop open...
For the seagulls to snack on. You try to get your head to pop open the same moment. Different head, but same idea. I want it to pop open like a flap. You got your crotch in there waiting for a seagull.com? Eat this seagull. That's disgusting, Josh. And you said it in kind of a Derek voice, too. Suck my spinning steel, shitty. Fucking Derek.
Derek. Derek. Every time our friend Derek, who has all kinds of knowledge about movies all the time, every time he walks in the room, I go, Derek. Anytime he pops up in the Zoom meeting when I work with him, I'm like, Derek. We've got to do Bad Taste soon and Dead Alive. I'm happy to. I would love to do that. We know I love it. I mean, the whole reason we've been doing this movie is we've been on a...
bad streak. We've been on a fucking rough patch. And we're like, let's do an actual good movie that we beat around the bush and not done yet. Truthfully, again, in my heart, I was like, boring. I'm so glad I watched it. Don't get me wrong. I'm so happy I watched it. I'm so happy we're talking about it. But somewhere in my heart, I was like, just give me Subspecies 2. Give me what I want. I am a fucking monster who has zero heart.
Give me the shit I want to see. Can you just say for posterity, I, Josh Staples, would rather watch Subspecies 2 than 1982's The Thing. That's not true. I think Josh has a special kinky. Some people like BDSM. They like to get hurt. They like to get hit. Josh likes to watch bad movies. It's not just that I like to watch bad movies. Part of...
Punish me, baby. That's what you're saying. That's part of it. Part of it is that as an ADHD person, I'm a neophile. I want to see something I have not ever seen. I want to see that more than something I've seen, even if the thing I've seen...
is on my top 10 favorite movies. I get that. I fully get that. And I love everyone's different flavor of ADHD or neurodivergence because I am the guy that'll watch Greasy Strangler 500 times in a row because I don't need the thing that needs to be new and I want the company.
Yeah, yeah. And probably if left to my own devices, I would be watching only Pretty in Pink over and over and over again. And I will watch those movies again, but there's also something... neurodivergent about me that's like if I watch it too many times I will ruin all the memories of it for myself I need to relax and not fuck with it I need to make some new memories learn some new knowledge watch a new movie yeah I need to have the new knowledge which is the worst shit
i ever saw i get to the end going like what am i doing with my stupid life well let's watch those pieces three let's just complete the loop i just gotta complete it yeah i just gotta finish it i'm on transfers nine but i hate my life but as long as i'm complete
So here, we're right at the beginning of December. We're in holiday season. I just saw that fucking Full Moon has a ornament set they had for Black Friday. And it's got fucking dude from Sub Species. It's got Puppet Masters ornaments. It's got...
Tim Thomson? Head of the family. Like, all this shit. Tell me Dollman's in there, please. Dollman isn't on there, but there's a weird cheap eyeball one where I'm like, oh, there's some stupid... Is there a demonic toy in there somewhere? There might be a demonic toy. A ginger dead man, maybe?
there might be a dead man yeah there's like six and it was just like a black friday release they were doing and stuff i was like as much as we talk about that shit we would buy that it was just like but it was like it was like you bought that and then you like or like you got that free when you
bought like this other bullshit you know like i can't i can't do that no you're don't and don't i don't even have a tree to put that on so truthfully i'm very so glad i watched it and but but there was a part of me i was like i haven't i've already i've already seen it though That's okay. Like 10 times. I got you next episode. Yeah. Subspecies too? No, we're watching Frozen, Josh.
If you haven't seen it, next week is Frozen. Keeping the winter alive. I haven't seen it. Okay. That's great. There you go. I'm excited for it. Wish me daddy. Punish me a little bit. Unfortunately, it wasn't directed by or made by Chuck Band, but, you know. We can't all be winners. Hey, we got a hard, fast rule. No Chuck Band until my next pick. Round two.
For real. For real. I'm glad we did it. I'm always stoked to watch this movie. I can watch it anytime. I adore this movie. Oh, my God. I just... John Carpenter might be one of my favorite directors ever. He's done my favorite movies. I watched this probably only a year ago. I watch it all the fucking time. I love it. I love seeing it again. It's an amazing movie. The other thing about not watching
for a long time is you forget certain things i'm like how the fuck does this movie end and i forgot the fucking floor goes out now the dynamite and all that shit i'm like it rules the end fucking rules yeah it's it's and i do i like that it it just leaves it ambiguous and bleak yeah like that's that's cool that's a rad movie to me like I prefer some of those endings and then things being sewn up all pretty or John Carpenter's endings are good the movie doesn't rush
at all. I feel like the pacing's really nice. But it doesn't feel like it's too long, right? No, it doesn't. But it moves along, but not at like a rushed tone or pace. It's just... It does what it needs to do. It gets in and gets out. It does what it needs to do. I think it's kind of one of the perfect horror films.
personally I agree if you can call anything that this is one of those I feel like it's what if I was like somebody was like tell me if like I've never seen any of these movies tell me like the perfect or like the tell me the John Carpenter movie that I should watch I'm not gonna fucking pick Halloween I'm sorry I'm not gonna pick Halloween either
No, I'm not going to pick it either. I'm going to serve you up one of the three apocalypse trios that's this. I might pick Christine. For me, I enjoy the shit out of that one. Just top to bottom. Even though Christine is supernatural, I like more of the monsters than the supernatural stuff. So that's all for me. For sure. I might even go like, it depends on who's asking, but I wouldn't say Halloween.
Because Halloween is just like its own, so much its own thing. And then so bitten. If you, even if you were like, what, which one should I watch? You'd say, oh, Halloween. If someone's like, that's the biggest, you know, that's the most popular one. Sure. Yeah. But.
If you've seen Halloween, that means if you're interested in seeing that, maybe you've seen any one of the hundred thousand movies influenced by Halloween. I can't think of a couple movies that were not influenced. I mean, I can't think of any movies that were influenced by Prince of Darkness.
It's too weird. No one would do that again. There's no remakes of Prince of Darkness because it's too, people are like, no. But that's one of my favorites. It's so heady. Yeah, exactly. But I love that he calls this the number one of his apocalypse trilogy. It's the thing.
Uh... Prince of Darkness and In the Mouth of Madness and I like that like that all bangers all so different so different but like I like that like I would love to watch those three on the big screen as like a like a block that would be fucking sick because like what order would you do it in and what order do you
prefer I think I would do as far as like would you love the most and then what would you how would you watch it I would go chronological and how they came out yeah okay so that would be Prince of Darkness Prince of Darkness in the Mouth of Madness yeah because I think that's the way that he thinks of him
So I think, I don't know why, in some weird way, I'm like... Honestly, there's no wrong answer to that. Sure, of course not. Because they don't connect at all. No, no. I feel like people in, like, they're making movies and they make them a certain way. Like, they're... John Carpenter has his things. The music is a huge thing. The pacing, the practicality of the characters in all of these movies, like certainly Prince of Darkness and certainly the thing, like these are men.
in the middle of nowhere and they're trapped and they've seen something that no other human's ever seen. And they're like, oh, it's just an alien. It's doing these things. They're like so practical and so even-tempered. Yeah. Like, even if Keith David is the off-the-rails one...
completely even-tempered for an off-the-rails man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure. Wilford Brimley's off the rails. Like, if anybody, he's not really off the rails. He knows what the fuck is up. Yeah, he's got the computer telling him. And I love that all these movies have fucking computers in them, too. That can do magic, pretty much. Or there's a separate computer.
computer just for the chess computer yeah it's got adrian barbeau's fucking voice i love it how do you rank the the trilogy then what do you like the best oh i definitely like the thing the best and then what's two and three i think I think I would like, actually, I would go, if I'm going to rank them how I like them, I would definitely do The Thing, In the Mouth of Madness, Prince of Darkness. What about you, Josh? The Thing, I think, is the best movie, for sure.
It's not the one I liked the most. The one I liked the most is Prince of Darkness. Sure. So that's your number one? That's my number one, yeah. Great. Love it. How about you? I think In the Mouth Man is the thing. See, that's why. Prince of Darkness. That's why we're the fucking... It's because I saw that one first. I saw it in the Mouth of Madness first. I saw the thing first, but I...
I saw the Prince of Darkness like in the theater. So I was like, and I was younger. So I was like, I was just influenced by how smart it was. Cause it's smart for like a dumb person. It's like a really smart movie for a dumb guy watching. And if you're a kid, you're just a little stupid. So you're like, I still think it's smart, like looking at it as an adult. I think it's a great movie, but it's like, it's a horror comedy in a way.
Like, there's so much comedy stuff. I was 10 years old when that came out. I saw it when it came out. The Darkness? No, that's just The Mouth of Madness. That's a scary movie. That one really just did it for me. Yeah, there's some disturbing things in there. That scared me good. I think if I would have saw the thing first, I probably would have moved it up. Sure. But I saw that a little older for some reason. I remember seeing the Mouth of Madness.
for the first time. I do not love every single one of those movies. Prince of Darkness, I love all of them so fucking much. But that's a cool trilogy, even though it's not necessarily, but as far as calling it the Apocalypse Trilogy, that's rad. They're all very apocalyptic. They're all...
different you know but they don't I doubt he was going to any of those movies thinking that they were related to each other except that I am the writer and no but I think in years later he's like oh these all connect in a certain way because of whatever you know they're all bleak as fuck yeah they're all open
ended they all don't really tell you how they wrap up they come in mid story as well mid universe yeah i didn't mean to interrupt you between you're talking about seeing it in the theater prince of darkness and oh um i was that's probably what i was gonna say that i feel like In the same way that Kira's like, oh, this is my trilogy. It's pornography and faith and disintegration. Then later on, they're like, actually, it's pornography, disintegration, blood flowers. I think you're just like...
making excuses for why people should see the new thing. But in retrospect, you can pull those things, but I doubt anyone's going into it thinking these are related. When he made the thing, he didn't think he was going to get to make In the Mouth of Madness. He didn't know that was going to happen.
you know that's certainly after the critics were like this movie stinks because he ever thought he's gonna make another movie period yeah so like did you see the thing first before Prince of Darkness yeah it was the first one I saw it was the first one but the first one I saw is like a like fresh with kind of like
teenage eyes like thinking i was a smarty pants and going to the theater on my own you know accord was prince of darkness sick but i saw like the thing before i saw most of before i saw your first carpenter movie definitely yeah
And even then, I didn't know I was a carpenter. I didn't know any of that stuff. I'm sure his name pops up or whatever, but I wasn't reading like that. I wasn't caring about that stuff. But that was. Was that your first carpenter too? It was. When did Christine come out? I might have seen Christine first.
No, I saw the thing first. It was either the thing or Christine. I saw them both. Yeah, I saw Christine first. It was like one of the third or second horror movies I've ever seen in my life. Is it like 83 or 80... Is it even earlier? Christine? I thought Christine was...
earlier but i think i saw christine first and as a kid on laser disc at some weirdos some druggie dealer's house my dad was waiting hanging out 83 though yeah was 83 for christine i feel like i saw it might have seen that one first and then but of course i didn't know they were even related
they were the same director until I was probably in my 20s. Yeah, there's not, they don't feel, you know, I mean, they're both amazing movies, but they don't feel like they're related by any means. Like, I wouldn't, if he was like, my Apocalypse Trilogy is Christine, the thing, and fucking, you know, Starman, I'd be like... I did see Starman in the theater, too. Did you? Yeah, a couple times. What are you talking about? I did not get it. I was like, what?
What? But I also saw They Live in the Theater multiple times, and I loved it. I love that movie. Because Starman is Jeff Bridges, right? Yeah. Imagine, because Jeff Bridges was maybe going to be McCready. Right. Imagine that. I love Jeff Bridges. I can't imagine it. I really can't. But I can't imagine it either. I mean, if he's bearded like the dude, maybe you can... And he's...
He could have done it. Jeff Bridges is an amazing actor. Oh, no, he could have done it. I'm not saying he could have done it, but I can't see it. I feel like if the character is well written enough and you got good enough direction. King Kong, Jeff Bridges being McCready. You can kind of see it. Yeah, totally. You can kind of see it. He's got to be a long hair. Yeah. Yeah. But, no, I mean... But Kurt Russell just...
just crushes it. Yeah. He's so good. I love his fucking dumb, big old floppy hats. Yeah. It's like whole gear, his big ass beard. Like I liked that. He had to grow that thing out over a year and had to like have a real beard and was like down to like, that's just, that's dope, you know? And I love when,
i when i was working i remember i was working somewhere and listening to the uh commentary i was just like i just threw the commentary the thing on while i was working just to listen to his audio this is before podcasts were a big thing and i just listening to fucking kurt russell laugh is Just pure joy. Yeah. That dude's giggle is fully joyous to listen to. I recommend, if you haven't watched a commentary of any movies he's in, it's...
Amazing. He seems like such a dope, like good guy. He's just like pure charm. Yeah. He really is. But he really, like I feel like there's so many horrible guys in Hollywood. He actually seems like a good, legit dude. I think he might be. Yeah.
I don't know. Especially for a child actor. That's crazy. Right. One of them Disney guys. He's been doing it so fucking long. That's wild to think about. It's such a hard thing to make that transition. Right. So crazy. Yeah. One final thing I was just going to address real quick. Sure. Talking again about like.
carpenter and like suggesting movies like he like didn't want this to be like a guy in the suit a slasher he didn't want it to be like those kinds of things even like with alien there was a guy in a suit you know he didn't want to have that he wanted to have like real crazy shit happening
But when the poster was done overnight by, was it Drew Struzan? Oh, yeah. Who just passed away recently. Yeah. But like, you know, it was one of those things where like, it was just like, well, okay, he might as well, like he was super bummed because it's just a dude.
It's just a picture of a guy in a snowsuit. I like it because it kind of throws you for a loop, too. Totally. Because then you really aren't expecting what you get. Right, but then... retro looking at it you're like oh it's sick it's a fucking crazy like alien dude you know like that's the way i think of it like it's this amazing like simple
You know, I think, I think Drew killed it. Cause it's like, who is it? Like who is that man? Yeah. Well, he didn't have any, I think they maybe said, Oh, it's an alien movie or it's in the cold or something like that. Yeah. But he didn't have really any direction. And it literally was like, like 24. hours like he delivered oh and i'll just pop out this iconic poster now yeah to think about how like insanely like iconic that is now yeah it's amazing
But I just think it's funny because like John Carpenter was super bummed. He was like, why don't you just paint a knife in his hand? Like literally said that. I was like, whoa, dude. Like to think of that as like, you know, we all know it and love it as like one of the most dope. But he had different hands.
some other thoughts about the movie for sure because he was trying to get away from that he was like I don't want it to be so everything he tried to do and then here it is the poster and it's like here's your guy that's what I have to go for your single killer at least he lived long enough to see that people love this movie now
People have reassessed it and critics have reassessed it. I'm sure he's still bitter about what he went through. All the actors, too, they were all bitter and bummed because it got so... And so they were all... kind of hating on it but of course in all the years that it's passed they've all like they all love it I bet every fucking
event keith david goes to it's always like the thing yeah it's the thing they live right yeah it's one of those two yeah he's had a 40 year plus career and like everyone still wants to talk about these fucking two first movies he did and he had this huge stack of fucking how'd you get the twig above the berries Like 8x10 glossy. No one's spying them. No one's side of them.
But I love that he's so good at drama, comedy, and action. He threads that needle perfectly. He's amazing. He's an amazing guy. Again, I don't know if I told you guys not on the mics or not, but like... I watched that Shelby Oaks movie and he pops up in it. Oh, right. Like horribly underused. He's just in it for like five minutes and you're like,
You guys had Keith David and you literally did nothing with him. That's such a bummer. So stupid. I would have forfeited part of my budget just to keep him. Yeah. And made him a bigger part of it. Like, he's so good, even though he's literally just behind a desk talking shit, you know? He's one of those things where you go, like, we can afford Keith David for 30 minutes and...
It started counting down two minutes ago. He's also so good that Jordan Peele will hire him just for an intro to a movie and he'll have a shadow over the entire fucking rest of the movie because he's just that fucking awesome. So memorable, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he finally just got a star recently. Like, thank fucking God. Fucking good. You know, like, so deserved. Like, yeah. Wow. And how did we notice that the fucking...
the, uh, the black guys didn't die first in this horror movie. Yeah. Yeah. That trope is definitely not followed, which is cool. Keith, maybe not even died at all. You know, like I've lived the whole fucking Carter get fucking.
blown up hey what happened oh yeah no he got so fucking diabetes puts his hands and fucking king diabetes put his hands on the one guy fucking scrambled him all up and then they show him he goes around the corner they don't show what happened to him but there's you hear sounds and it's yeah he's fucking up with fucking tk yeah implied that he's yeah yeah he's fucked so but we don't see it
What if there's a sequel? He lives also. Dude. So he just ran off? He's like, fuck y'all. Peace now. He's in that UFO. But it's like a sled. He's out. Yeah, he just put his fucking skates underneath it and scooted on out. I love that he was just skating. Man, this movie's so good. I recently saw another movie. I don't want to go too long, but there's a movie I saw that we...
I watched it so you guys don't have to, but you guys maybe would want to. Like, maybe I should look it up and give it, because it's one of those, I should have prepped for this, but what would you do if I told you there was a movie that stars, hold on, finding it. Finding it. Stacey Keech. You guys know Stacey Keech from Road Games? Yeah. Yeah, totally. Stacey Keech. Great. I don't know. That's a fucking character. Yes. Jason Miller plays Father Karras in The Exorcist.
Yeah. Okay. And in The Exorcist 3. Yeah. Yeah. Neville Brand, who was in Eaten Alive as the guy who, in Toby Hooper's movie, the guy with the fucking bowl cut who's feeding everybody the gators. I'm going to keep going here. Yeah. Robert Loggia, who he loved. Oh, yeah, sure. Robert Loggia. Joe Spinell from Maniac. Oh, shit. You got all the fucking characters. Tom Atkins. Whoa. Get out of here. What movie is this? And it's written and directed by William Peter Blatty, who wrote The Exorcist.
And directed and wrote The Exorcist 3. Yeah, sure. Also starring Alejandro Rey, who was the sleazebag in Terror Vision, who wants to have the swinger. Yeah, yeah. The guy with the accent. What the fuck? There's more people that I can't even... There's tons more people in this movie, but it's called The Ninth Configuration. It's one of the weirdest movies. I've heard of that movie before.
It was a novel by William Peter Blatty. And this also stars Scott Wilson. Actually, the main stars are Stacey Keach and Scott Wilson, who played Herschel in Walking Dead. Man, that's a hell of a... Insane cast. That's a cast you cannot take your eyes off of. Also... Everyone is so interesting looking. Yeah. Other great actors in it. The guy who played the other priest in Exorcist 3, a movie I haven't seen, but I think the actor's name is Ed Flanders. He played the other...
the other major priests in Nexus 3, he's in it as well. It's horror, though. The guy who plays in Back to the Future, the guy behind the bar at the soda shop, the guy who says... That guy's also one of the stars. All these guys are the stars. No, barely any women in the whole movie. Sure. So it's like the thing. It's like the thing, but it is also almost impossible to watch because it's unbearable. It's supposedly a horror comedy, but.
Yeah, because I'm like, look at it. Drama, horror, mystery, dark comedy. It's like, it's such a bummer. Like, it's not, it's like endless jokes and none of them fucking land. Endless jokes and none of them land.
oh no and but but they probably would land if i was alive in the late 70s early 80s and watching movies like as an adult because it's like it's all about these vietnam vets who were like who are experiencing all this create this like an insane asylum it's hot off the heels of mash off catch 22
off one floor of the cuckoo's nest off the exorcist. It's just like all those movies mashed together. It's not like, it's not like, um, God damn it. What's the movie you watch with Tim Robbins where he's having all the flashback crazy Jacob's ladder. Yeah. It's not like that. It's okay. But it is, it's like,
It's like Stacey Keech plays like a psychiatrist come to oversee this castle that's filled with vets and one astronaut who's played by Herschel. And it's like all the jokes are... so overly written and they're all like you can tell they're all just like voiceovers and they're like piped in all these every little comment and you're like oh my god then it's so overly dramatic and then it's also very corny really well shot sounds fantastic but it looks like
It's such a huge swing and a fucking miss. I can't quite believe it. But then it still has a 6.7 out of 10, which is like... It still has some scenes that are unbelievably... Just based off the cast alone? Right. It's got some psychedelic scenes in it that you're like...
Okay. I get it. This is William Peter Blatt. He's like, he took this kind of stuff from the exorcist and it's like, you've never seen anything like some of those scenes, but it's also, well, you got me interested. I feel like I'm going to hate it. You're going to hate it.
You might have to watch it, but you're going to hate it. You got him interested. It's one of those things you're like, I recognize every stupid person in this movie. And like, Father Karras, looking just like Father Karras. Yeah, yeah. And then it's just like slapstick fucking comedy. I mean, when I think of those actors, I don't think of slapstick. I don't think of comedy. I think of drama. It's like they're casting like Shakespearean plays with dogs. It's like, what are you doing, guys?
What are any of you doing? Sounds like comedy made by someone who's not funny. Yeah. It's comedy made by the guy who wrote The Exorcist. Put it that way. Speaking of funny, I did read that Donald Pleasence was supposed to play Blair. So imagine if that was your final boss. Thank God we got saved. That would have been fucking... Oh, my God. No, he would have... Oh, God, thank God. Thank God Wilfred Brinley was in the movie. And not a lot of people say that ever. I know, right?
It would have been too much, man. Dude. Too much. Just fucking ham and cheese everywhere. With Dr. Bologna or whoever you said that guy's name was? Yeah, Tony Bologna and Mr. Ham and Eggs. This was fun. Thank you, guys. What a treat to get to watch a movie I adore so much. It was a treat. I don't know who picked it, but I appreciate you.
We were just talking about like cold movies and good movies. And I was like, or I brought up the cold things. I was like, we're getting into this. And I was like, no more Christmas movies. And you're like, these are not Christmas movies. They're just in the snow. Like, okay. Okay, I'll calm down. Yeah, when you thought we had to do five Christmas movies, you were like, no. Like, I might quit. So we can discuss that later after what we're going to do.
We can do a couple with you. I'm fine. I'm sorry. I don't know what I was thinking. I was in the middle of the ninth configuration and I was like... Already miserable. It snows in this movie. No! But yeah, this, again, I enjoyed. I'm glad we got to do it. Yeah. I'm sure it's a relief for our audience, too. Yeah, I'm sure listeners, I mean, as they've already commented on the post I made today, are like, finally, thank you. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, see you.
Any good jokes? No, because the movie was good. Sorry. Sorry, we just had to sit here and praise the movie for two hours. Three hours. Yeah, I hope you enjoyed that. I had no fun. I'm just kidding. I had a great time. I love this movie. Me too. I'm stoked. But we're going to continue this winter train into the next episode as well. Walt Disney's Frozen.
Horrifying. The scariest. But yeah, if you want to play along, and for those of you that are listening now, you get the heads up first. We are doing Frozen by Adam Green next week. So check that out. 2011 or 10, something like that? All right. So check that one out. And then it's vastly different from the thing. But, you know. Yeah, stay warm out there, folks. Yeah. Bundle up. Yeah.
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