Ep -354: Thanksgiving.

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Right, boys. set of smells. That's right. So our good our good friend Nate Lom uh went up to Portland uh a while ago and stopped off at this place and and saw that they had horror movie themed scents. So he thought of us and he grabbed us a a sample pack here from the perfumery and in the PDX. Fumery. It's called Fumery. Fumery. Yeah. Fumerie. So we're gonna give them a a a whiff.

s the sniff master. But yeah, I'm gonna see if you guys can can guess the horror movie. You've you've heard of all these horror movies. Okay. You know them. Okay. So that's that's my clue just going into it. Okay. It's not they're not trying to trick you. But uh I'd love I'd love to give these I haven't smelled these myself.

Rotten egg. Yeah. I hope not. Yeah. You don't know. Poltergeist swimming pool. Right, right. It's like feces and it corpses. Yeah. Okay, so just don't look at what it's called and give give it a whiff and then pass it my way so I can give it a whiff. Take it a hoya. Oh for every single one, you're gonna smell like a rotten egg. I don't think we're d they don't have rotten egg. Here, I'm gonna give this to Bri as I ask this. Oh.

Ooh, I like the smell of that. Okay. Any any guesses what that could be? I feel like it's something supernatural. I'm getting a supernatural. Okay, I'm going I'm I'm leaning supernatural for some reason. It's very it's got a Interesting. Interesting. This might be tougher. A little bit of an ethereal vibe, if you will. Or a scent. So uh you know I'm gonna guess.

I see, I see, okay. I'm guessing think about it, it's it's it's not where you're going. Okay. So go go away from there. It smells a little bit like fire. Sounds like some burnt stuff. I was gonna say it's it's a little more right, a little kind of industrial smelling. Is it like saw or something? Sorta. You're close. You're getting there. Do you want me to tell you or do you want to keep guess we got a few to go, so we don't have to spend too long on. This is Texas chainsaw, buddy. Really?

So I'm I'm some songs a bit of a gasoline smell. Yeah, yeah, but you can pull it off my hand if you want. It does smell differently on the skin. I like that. I guess I could I could picture it being like chainsaw oil chainsaw oil or something. Maybe uh maybe a little bit of a little bit of a petrol. It's I mean, folks, uh they smell delightful. This is this is a very nice. Yeah, I didn't mean funk isn't bad, but like but there is like you know

A lot of men's perfume or whatever, cologne, if I'm gonna have to be ma masculine about it, have a bit of a like a musky kind of vibe, you know? Yeah. It's definitely more of a masculine scent, for sure. I would say that's a good thing. Yeah, and there's kind of a

Yeah, I get that now. A leathery smell. It's it's nice. It's got a smoke smell to it. Smoky, yeah. Smoky. Yeah, I get that. I like that though. I feel stupid for not guessing, but like it might be I don't know how we're you're gonna guess these might just be tribute.

Yeah. More than anything else.'Cause I feel like that I that's not one I would get. I'm sure like every per like perfumery if they tried to like do this would they would all fall different. Hit me right there with it. Oh you're you're going you're gonna Sarah's gonna be like what is happening? Hopefully you guys will get this one though. Okay. Once I smelled I'm like, Yeah, okay, that's that sounds right. What's that smell like to you? Smells like candy.

Okay. Candyman. Mm think think go deeper. It's a sweet treat, but ice cream man? You're getting closer. It smells a little A little like m cinnamony maybe? Am I getting a little cinnamon? I smell a marshmallow. Marshmallow? Okay. That's why I said the that's why I thought the stuff maybe pumpkin? No, that not It's a special day of the year. You might have a sweet treat. Oh, is it uh Is it Halloween? No. Is it um No My Bloody Valentine? That's a good guess. That's my clue.

It's a happy birthday to me. Oh it is a birthday cake. That's all I was trying to get you to do. I was trying to get you there, yeah. That's actually pretty spot on. I can't believe there's like you were saying tree and I was throwing me off thinking candy and not. I I know I always I wasn't trying to lead you too hard. I was trying to And you're not supposed to, we're supposed to guess, but like but I definitely was leaning into like

Yeah, more of a baked or I mean uh more of like a c a a wrapped candy. Yeah, I definitely can smell it now. I can't not smell it now. I'm I you know what after smelling just the two, I'm digging the chainsaw one. It's pretty good, right? Okay. Yeah. I think I would run that. We can just do one more if we want and then we've We've made uh products based off of this one, so just so you know. Okay, why don't you hit me right in the deer with this one? Okay, I see. Right in the deer.

Okay, I see I see where they where they got this, but this is this might be tough. I like this one. This might be too this one reminds me of the eighties, baby. Yeah. This might be a tough one. Oh. Yeah, I this was it's familiar to me. I like it. One of one of our popular products we've made is this a sleepaway camp? Nailed it right up to the campfire too. Yeah, that was definitely our most popular item. But I don't I don't think I would just guess that if I had like zero hints.

Yeah, I I get I see it like camp'cause there's a kind of a a pine there's kind of foresty pine to it. Foresty smell. Yeah. I get that. That's my favorite. But I I would have assumed Friday the thirteenth right away, but Sleepway Camp totally. I get it. This is this is really fun. This is like a this is a really cool thing that they're gonna do. Yeah, it smells less intense. I yeah. Yeah, so as as most perfumes do, you have to like they have to settle a little bit. Yeah.

It's not bad by any means. These are all really good. It's such a wonderful thing to do and they all smell great. Yeah, I would never wear myself, I would never wear the birthday cake one. That's just too sweet. That's pretty cloying, yeah.

I would wear this. Yeah, I'd wear the new one. Okay, I'm dying to see what this one smells like. I don't think you'll ever guess this one. It's a movie no. We got one last one. We'll never I'm just dying to see what this smells like though. Okay, hit me with it.

Oh. Oh interesting. Is it gross? Oh I I just eat you in the same spot. No, it's a differ different there you got one. Okay. Here you go. Oh, okay. Smells like dirt. Okay. I'm gonna say um I spit on your grave. These are good guesses. Oh. Horror movie co horror comedy. So like dead alive or is it like Is it like Little Shop of Horrors?

You're getting close. And dirt. I mean plant thinking like plants. Cemeteries. Plants. Plants. Plants. Cemetery, funeral. No, it's it's a it's a known we haven't watched the movie on our podcast yet. I don't think you guys have seen this one. It smells like it's grass and it is a little grassy, dirty, organic y Attack of the killer tomatoes. Really? It doesn't smell. There's a smell.

It smells like a potato like a tomato plant, not necessarily a tomato. But there's a there's a weird when or a tomato vine has a really funky smell that That's what this fair is. Oh, I I just got it. Yeah, it's just that's really smart. Interesting. Okay. We just wanna just jump this out. Okay. And again, we appreciate you, Nate, for even thinking about us. This is a lot of fun. Who knows that this is fun to listen to? Hit me over in San Diego one time. Thank you.

I don't I don't think you're gonna be able to guess. Is this a straight horror movie? This is a horror adjacent. I would I would say it's it's it's it's always lumped in with horror, but it's not a direct horror movie I d I wouldn't say.

I like this one. I like this one too. It smells really nice, but I don't know if you're gonna you're gonna get this one. Yeah, it smells like something that I can't play with. It kinda has like a water or like a ocean end of it. Mm-hmm that I'm coming but I don't know if that's

What's that called? Is it uh I'm failing to see the the connection. Is that myrrh? Is it myrrh? I don't I c I can't guess, but uh it smells wonderful. I really like the smell. I do like it too. That smells really nice. Do you want to know? Yeah. This is American Psycho. Oh. Oh. What would it be I guess I'cause it i it it does that one probably smells the most like actual men's cologne. Right.

So therefore I you know, and I would I would say that's a horror movie. I don't know. I think I think I was getting thrown off a little bit by you saying it was adjacent'cause I I don't I feel like that's a horror movie. Is it trying to scare us? Well, Jason, there's like killings and stuff. There's murder, but there's also murder in Little shop of horrors. But that actually scares me. This one is pretty tough too.

But he's like getting like you know, he goes fucking handbone on some shit. Yeah, but it's not scary. Yeah, I guess not. Like like I said, it's in the realm, it's adjacent. It's it's it's considered a horror movie by many. Which yeah, what you think about this. We got a new one going for

We got a our our sixth and final. This one's a tough one too. Yeah. No, this is a hormone. It's been remade recently. Very popular. Oh, weird. I don't know. Yeah, it's a tough one. That one's it's I kinda get it. Now I smell it a little bit more. Kinda get it. Yeah, there's a part of that that's cut a little bit muted, it kind of feels like, and then it kind of gets like a weird I'm having trouble placing. Ah. Kinda old kinda

I want more dirt, I think, in my Nas Fra too. Yeah, killer tomatoes. Yeah. I think killer tomatoes is more like mixed with like, yeah, that would be would be more but Smells fun though. Cold mustache and fucking dong. Cold mustache and dong. These smelled really great. I highly m recommend you guys check them out if you're in Portland area. Yeah, they're on Instagram. They are fumery pdx. So

You know, just how it sounds. Fumery, PDX. Yeah, F-U-M-E-R I E. Yeah. That's that's a fun a fun way to smell nice. I imagine they have a a million different scents and all kinds of stuff. And you can buy like, you know, full size Dippers of some of this stuff if you like it. There's a couple that I still think that Texas Chainsaw one I really back. I'll tell you what. You might take that one home with you, bud. I would do sleepaway camp.

Yeah. But I would not do killer tomatoes because that one sung me again and I was like, Oh no. Yeah, it gets you that initial. There's a weird thing that happens on a on a tomato vine. That's bitter. Okay. I love vi uh tomatoes, but the the vine, that's a Funky, weird smell. Sticky, funky thing. Yeah. But like, damn, nailed it.

Yeah. Nailed it. Yeah, he he killed it. I I trip out when people can do that with a scent that can really like you know, get you to like think of another thing. With uh creates sense and stuff and she's always like, Here, sniff this and tell me what you think. Like, Oh no, I don't I don't know how to I'm not good at this. What's this sound like to you? Can I do I win if I say I like it or if I don't like it? Does that work? Can I go just pass or fail? Right. Yeah.

It's hard. I feel smell blind most of the time. I can't really do it. I feel like it's harder It's it's hard to tell people like working in beer and stuff, it's hard to describe the things you're tasting. Yeah. Like the subtleties of subtleties of what you're tasting and what and trying to recollect what other things it tastes like. I think smell is even more difficult. It's hard.

I could tell you if it smells good or bad. I couldn't tell you what's in it, what's what's the top note, what's the dark you know, I don't know. I couldn't tell you any of that stuff. It's weird where like stuff like when you've smelled like an actual dead thing, there's like a weird sweetness to it that like

at first isn't even like that repulsive. It's like a weird and of course it leads right to the most repulsive smell you've ever smelled. But like But like if you smell like a dead you know, animal that's been saying it for a minute or something like that.

But i there is a scent that's like part of that word. I'm like, ooh, that's like kinda sweet and kind of like a little bit of clove or something like that. And you're like, Oh wait, no never mind. That's the worst smell in the world. This reminds me I I wanna make you smell of killer tomatoes again, but think cola when you smell it.

Kinda hits a little cola. Yeah. When uh Oreo did that thing where they were like, Here's co here's Coca-Cola flavored Oreos and then Oreo flavored Coca-Cola that they did the flip roll. It really made me realize that cola just tastes like dirt. Like it's sweet dirt, but it's an earthy an earthiness. Yeah. Because the Oreos were like Yeah, I c I could see it that like a fake cola.

smell is kinda smells like that. Yeah. That's interesting. Like like gummy cokes or something. Right. Yeah. Kinda. Kinda. I love like candles a lot. And oh I love incense, like those things. Oh bad. And I just like just the smells of those things. Like even though they don't smell like necessarily like they're not trying to be like this smells like this. Although a lot of times they are

And there's a uh the place in Petaluma, Aubergine, they have like they make a bunch of their own incense and they all like say what they are. They rarely smell like the thing they're saying that the name of it is, but like they smell awesome a lot of them. Dude, I could fucking sniff candles and incense all goddamn day. I wish that was my job. Hey man. Love it. Candle sniffers. Seriously. What what you got for me to sniff? I'm here to whiff on it. But I got I got a bunch of uh

candle making stuff recently I'll say I'll say recently got into it. But uh all these like scents and shit, like'cause I'm I wanna like kind of like combine like make some and I kinda had ideas like before even this stuff showed up to like make some a candle that maybe smells like texture chains or like something like to that effect. Yeah. That can be really expensive. I've made candles before. Yeah. And and with sense and stuff at my work and it's

You have to put a lot of fucking scented oil in it to get it to Yeah. I got a bunch of stuff. I went hard. Like making a candle is is fairly easy enough in a sense. enough scent'cause when it starts burning, like it might dissipate and might not smell enough. Gotcha. Yeah.'Cause we we put some expensive ass oils in there, like, I can hardly smell this. Really? Crazy. Yeah.

I mean and then again some of the things you don't want to have like too much and that's a worry too, like you want something that's like too heavy, but That's true. You know, I don't know. But I dig I dig it. I mean, yeah. I uh incense and c peppermints and fucking all this shit. Incense peppermints Yeah, I love I love I love clones of perfumes. I'm a big big fan of those things. You know, I never leave the house without Getting the spritz.

We don't talk about that. Yeah, we got it. Bleep that part. Yeah, we got it. We don't talk about what to do. Bleep it again. Never let them know. Me, uh I have that earthy smell too, but that's actually just like mud from a dog jumping on me all the other day. Or the tree you dismantled this week. Exactly. Or yeah, this is something I rolled around in. Yeah. Oh.

One of those ones. My fingers smell like a weird covered in there's three whiffs per mit. Yeah, yeah. Sarah's gonna be like, What have you been doing? Yeah, I was had what was fucking wrist deep and two French hoors. Nothing nothing, I swear. She'll never listen to it, so she'll think I'm lying.

Take home if that's cool. That's fine. I might take the American Psycho one myself. Thanks so much. Thank you so much to Nate. If you wanna follow Nate, he's he's an amazing artist, an amazing tattoo artist, psychic armor. Yep. Is his handle. Yep. Give him a follow. He's a great dude. Definitely get tattooed by him. We love him dearly. Yeah. And then yeah, I mean he makes merch a lot of time too for psychic armor, which is they have rad stuff. He makes rad stuff that way too and and uh yeah.

Good good friend. Yeah. Thank you for thinking of us. That's awesome. I was kinda it was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. Hopefully it was all right for you listeners. Maybe we'll trim it down. Cut a couple of the cents out or something to it.

Um right on. Yeah. But we're here. It's uh we're you know we're heading towards uh that time of year, Thanksgiving. Yeah, the next holiday on our list. Yeah. So we're about a week out. Have we ever done a Thanksgiving horror film? Well no, we never did Thanks Killing. And we haven't done uh there's there's what's the one that takes place? God damn it. I want to do it's a slasher. We've talked about doing it. Poultry guys.

There's poultry geist yeah, which I've been wanting to do poultry geist, but that's not things. Blood Rage. I thought that was a fucking Squatch movie. No. Blood Rage has this cover. Yeah. I see that. Is that a Squatch movie? No, I don't know if it's a squatch movie. I just know I don't know. That's a Thanksgiving movie? It is. I I it takes place yeah. And there's a whole thing with like like he's talking shit about cranberry sauce and all kinds of shit and like it's definitely like

So is it like a like a diehard takes place on Christmas, so we consider it a Christmas movie or is it really a Thanksgiving horror movie? I I've always considered it a Thanksgiving horror movie. Um the reason why I even watched it originally was'cause I was trying to figure out if it really was for us to watch, like for a thing, but

Um gosh, sure smells nice in here now, huh? It does smell great. It smells great. We usually burn incense. We don't have to right now, it just smells great in here. I am incense. Yeah. But it's a in typical slasher fashion, this guy went away'cause of fucking some murder shit and then he's mad about something. Right. It's the anniversary together around and on it's on Thanksgiving. So it's like Halloween, but it's just

A few weeks later. I mean he's not dressed like a fucking turkey. He's not wearing no fucking pilgrim outfit. That's where you went wrong. None of that shit. But but it's still fun. Come on. Let's do it next Thanksgiving for sure. Yeah. Yeah. We should I mean, unless Thanksgiving two comes out next year,'cause that's supposed to be it's in pre production right now. So that's supposed to be done by then. But as you can imagine and what you've seen folks for listening, we are doing Thanksgiving.

I've done plenty to be thankful for. My needs are small, I buy'em all at the five and ten cents. Oh god. Do big thing. I used to love this town. Until what happened that night. Tomorrow's Thanksgiving, and I'm tired of pretending like everything is normal and it's not. I want things to go back to normal too. Show some enthusiasm. Thanksgiving is an institution here. No, no, no, no, no! Someone's out for revenge. And they're turning it into a sick holiday.

This is weird. We're all tagged and our names are at the table. But why us? The longer this goes, the more twisted it gets. Every weapon he's using is straight off a Thanksgiving table. I don't want to spend my life looking over my shoulder. We need to stop him. It is going to be a very happy Thanksgiving.

When did um Grindhouse come out? 2005 or something? I want to say 2009? Am I tripping? No, you're probably right. Grindhouse 2007. Okay. Right in the middle. You know, I I did myself the favor of watching the original Thanksgiving Trailer. There's so much that he pook took from that trailer and put in this movie. For sure. You would have to. I mean you make it a movie based off that trailer. Yeah. But the main the the main premise though isn't there.

Right. None of the characters. You don't have to have characters, you just have to have deaths and funny shit. Right. But the main the main thing about the kid being in love with this turkey and his dad killing the turkey and then him going to off to an asylum and then coming you know, just like that's all gone. That's all Oh was that in the trailer? That was part of that's that's the storyline for that trailer.

I just I didn't notice it. I didn't see that that was the but I did see there's you know, there's definitely grandma gets it and Cheerleader gets it. And the the guy with the m the mascot with the hat on gets a head head knocked off in the trailer. Then they have the woman on the table with the f as a turkey, but it's way gnarlier. I'm gonna say too gnarly maybe. Yes. Right. There's so much that happens in this

re this the actual movie he made as opposed to the trailer, but I do think that the trailer is almost better because it goes harder. And I kinda wish the movie better myself. I kinda wish the movie went harder. I like the movie a lot. And a movie goes plenty hard. It goes plenty hard but like There's a few just tw turns that I feel like he turned away from that I feel like he should have leaned into. Like what is anything specific here?

Half as gnarly. There's no way in twenty twenty three you could do that gnarly I mean I guess you could terrifier it up, but that's that would that would top terrifier. This movie would not have been in the theater if they had a fully The fully mostly, I guess. I mean it's sorry. It's there. I remember it being it's still pretty hectic. This is not a movie I could watch with Sarah Round because I was like, that trailer offended her when we saw it in the theater. She was like, Nope. Nope.

नहाँ नहाँ नहाँ Luckily it wasn't a movie, but she was like, No fucking way. Me too. I think it's so fun. It struck a chord and like to hear that he was gonna make a movie about it, I was like Fuck. Yeah, but I already saw machete and I was bummed. So I was like, this is gonna suck too. 'Cause it's like they're just so perfect as

Trailers where they just like show all the good parts and kind of you know, yeah. The trailer is it is perfect as a train. You don't need to fuck around it and it's it does need definitely dirty. It looks like it was made in the seventies. Sure. And he obviously went way more into like modern filmmaking techniques for this movie. Yeah. But I do I did like this. I enjoyed m all my time with this movie. I really did. But my my big main critique is like

I wanted to see fucking the death split happen. And that didn't happen. And that was to me like one of the pinnacle points of that trailer. What part? The death split. On the trampoline. Yeah, they had the trampoline. They did the splits, but she didn't do it on the night. Yeah, I want to see her like flight the trampoline. So good. To me, that was so good. To me, that was like that was a reason to be like, oh, I'm gonna make a full length. So I'm like, okay, that's at least.

Whatever else you decide to do with a storyline and having that be different, please, oh please. In my horrible mind, please deliver upon me. It's so silly. It's so yeah, but it's like so gnarly, but so camp. Like

To me that was way gnarlier th like than the fucking woman that's a turkey on the fucking table. But I know a lot of people would have disagree. I I I didn't like Like the trailer is fun and you can tell they're just having a blast and it's like it's supposed to be kind of funny and tongue in cheek and it is just done with it.

And this like has those moments, but it's it feels like it's trying to take itself way more seriously. It was. It kinda took all the fun out of it for me a little bit. Sure. I didn't really like the seriousness of this movie. Like I could have they could easily l lean into the campiness more. Which is funny to hear from you. I know but I just love that trailer. Yeah, exactly. So I want I just want that trailer but an hour long. Yeah. But uh he's not as good at doing the the scream.

Slasher Who Done It as I as you would like. I d I didn't really enjoy any of that part of it.

Yeah, yeah. It looks cool and th there's some wild kills and you can tell those parts he's having fun. Like I kinda get taken out of the movie a little bit'cause I can just picture Eli Roth just having a blast squirt and people fucking Blood.

gnarly thing. Like that's cool and he's having a great time. And he and he said he wanted to have like all the kills like be like old movies where they were all very like creative and gory. And he nailed it. Like and they totally were and they were yeah gnarly and disgusting and fun. Like the the fucking corn cob thing in the E L. I love that shit. Even like that first the waitress that gets halved in the trash can was fucking awesome. But then all of his characters are assholes.

Yeah, yeah, you don't care about anybody. Where's where's my fucking party man character? Where's pancakes? Where's you know where's like the interesting characters? It's just like some dull ass teenagers and then a town full of pricks. Yeah. And then they all like he's Siding with the killer right out the gate. Right. And that's and he's excited about the killer, and then the killer's the hero. Right. And that's how it was in the trailer, and that's how it kind of is like he's leaning that way.

Fine by me because like Yeah, but then it just doesn't make for a very entertaining who done it like'cause it's a who cares. It's like I just want to see these people get off and get killed. I don't care who it is. Like whatever. So did you not like it at all? Like you No, I think it's fine. I had I had fun watching it. Yeah.

But it's it's not it's not like my favorite thing ever, but I it's I think he did a r a really great job of taking the premise, the theme of the the holiday and really making something interesting out of all these little elements like the parade and the

Round the table, like all the Black Friday, like everything you think of when you think of Thanksgiving, like he he did a lot with those elements. I I'm really applaud him for that. Yeah, I think that there's like if it was all t trailer throwback

and had all the things in there that I thought that were in the trailer. I wouldn't have if it was just me and I loved Grindhouse, but I only saw it once in the theater. I didn't see it. I saw and I I saw the two movies separately since then, but they don't have the trailers all attached unless you w saw the thing in the theater. I wouldn't have gotten any of the jokes. I wouldn't have remembered anything except for the

Ex except for the splits on the trampoline. The turkey and then the fucking the turkey at the end. Sure. That was all I and I was like, Oh god. I was gonna sit next to my wife and like, oh god. Did you guys see Jordan Ladd in the trailer, by the way? Yeah.

Yeah. I didn't. Yeah. When he gets his head. Yeah. Is that the same girl gets it? And she's reaching for his head and it's gone. Then sh and then she g is that same girl with the with the other guy's head too? She's giving him a kiss and then all of a sudden

Like heads off. Like I I remember having the trailer after I watched it and sounds like, Oh that's right, it's so funny'cause it's like so goddamn good. He's such a genius with these trailer I mean, that piano killer one I can't remember what it's called, but god damn, it's just as good as that Thanksgiving trailer to me. Yeah, it's really lean into that same kind of like fun for the the full length one, you know. I feel like it's gotta be its own movie though.

succeed in twenty twenty three as a Thanksgiving horror film. It has to not only rely on the trailer that he made seventeen years. Sure. I mean you ha you gotta yeah, you gotta make a movie out of it now. So you gotta do something. Right. And which is again like

switching around like whatever, the main plot of it being different than the trailer. Yes. Well it has a plot now. Right. Like yeah, you're like, okay, now let's restrap it. I don't remember like exactly how much of that is portrayed in the but like it is that the ki there's a kid in love with a turkey, his father kills the turkey.

And then the kid goes apeshit and kills everybody. I just watched the trailer this morning. I did not pick that up. But I think I feel like that I get it. But I d I don't I now I'm but I was more like

kind of more paying attention to what I just it does it because I had watched it after the movie. And also kinda in the trailer doesn't really matter. You know it's Thanksgiving and people are dying and that's kind of the point. Yeah. Just like silly deaths and that's just fun. And they use a lot of the same lines. And they have I mean, you have to have more characters. You have to have sorry, you have to have some characters'cause there are no characters in the original trailer. Sure.

There's no good characters in this movie. That's that's a big problem for me. I don't like anybody. See, I like the main girl. I like her. You do? Yeah. I mean I didn't hate her but like I I I'm just not charmed by anybody. I don't care about anybody. Yeah, I was charmed by her. I do like uh I can't believe that I didn't get a deputy Winston in this one. Like give me someone to love. How sick would it have been if they had Deputy Winston and he was also the killer.

I would've this would have been my favorite movie of the year. Yeah. Why not Kevin Smith it and throw another character you from your from your universe in it? You know, you could have had a deputy wins. Imagine if we just pan by and there's fucking pancakes doing sidekicks. Just like man that's a big thing. Yeah. Yeah. Flip kicking. It's just like bubble a karate shop or something. You know what I mean?

Fucking round kicking, he's twenty seven years old now. Like, just for a fun Easter egg. It is weird that like yeah, that he wouldn't like but it is also funny that this is his most popular and like well liked movie. Uh over a Cabin Fever? Yeah, I think that has like Captain Fever. It has like kooky characters and that's really that that one's fun too, but but this has this feels like they just every character is so dry to me and it's They are dry. But also consider

that the world at large likes dry ass predictable movies and y made well. I guess they're just full of the murdered and so just like Well, they're an asshole. We wanna see them die in a horrible way. They're gonna. Yeah. And we wanna see now we're gonna just cheer. I walked away from it going gasping or whatever. Being like, Oh, this is an extremely professional movie directed by Eli Roth. Yeah, it looks great. Yeah. It does look great.

Yeah, he did all the things that you I like you want out of a n a new horror movie, you know, and like he definitely And he delivered some fucking gnarly shit. For sure. And then also like he didn't shy away from some stuff and then he shied away in places that that that's the part that I think that just baffles me a little bit. But like

I do think it overall it's a great horror movie. Like like what for example? Go ahead. Oh again, I've already just talked about just like shying away from the Oh the splits and the splits and the the some of the the harder, gnarlier shit from the trailer. It's funny'cause he does go very gnarly. Yeah.

And then that fucking float through the eye and then thinking of the guts, the girl's guts. It there's definitely and again, it's just my jaded ass too, and my horrible mind wanting to see more, more, more. But like the starting with the the whole the the Black Friday thing like he also has to make it a rated R movie. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.'Cause he'd made other movies that are not that. I feel like the trailer the trailer is like an unrated trailer. It's gnarly. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Uh but like yeah I mean yeah there's nudity there in it and stuff and uh y you know, that was also the thing that he you cast a woman who was supposed to be and you knew was gonna be the cheerleader kill. who wasn't willing to like show her bare ass.

Like so like there's a that's a to me that that's a weird like she wasn't such a great actor that you you like Like you couldn't have gotten someone else and show her. So you had to use a body double and even then you still don't really show anything. And I you know that sounds very horrible. I know I'm sounding like a fucking a dude. But it is the thing like in the movie in the if in the trailer This goes with anything.

No matter if the trailer is made a decade or an longer before, but ev if you see something in a trailer you kind of expect to see it in a movie. Yeah. At least.

Yeah. You know? Let's take twenty eight years later, for instance. Right. You see a thing in trailer like I can't wait to see how I want to see that bigger and better and like with more things on either side of it. Yeah. And you don't and then you don't in that movie. Yeah. And you don't in this movie either because it's everything is of course fully reshot'cause that thing was shot in a fucking

eight millimeter. Yeah, that was shown in film and like the this is all you know new cameras and shit. But this but you you expect to see Like you don't expect to see nudity in a trailer and not nudity in the movie. Right, right, right. I wonder just how much of that was there that he had to edit out to make get his get the rating he needed. Yeah, well the definitely the the actor that played

The cheerleader refused to show her barrier. So so it makes me wonder like if they didn't show it anyways, they they must have got a double to show it. Yeah. And then they everything was else was so gory that they're like, oh we've got to cut out to get an R rating so we could keep all this crazy gore scenes. Yeah, maybe you know. But they didn't they didn't end up going with the same kill on the trampoline.

No. Well you see no the knife comes through the trampoline. No, that's that's all that's all the same, but I'm just saying like the actual the ri the actual real reason we were there for the trampoline. Well and then the splits.

Forever married to it'cause we put the soundtrack out to the first terrifying movie, but we put it out before we saw the movie. And when they split that woman in half, I was like, oh no, what have I done? A little bit of me was going like, I'm Oh no. Oh no, I'm attached to this. The new ones are they they get gnarlier and gnarlier. But at least it's not that. I and I don't I guess that's where my brain is broke.

Where I just like, I want that. I want I just I just find that part too funny. It's too ridiculous and funny to take it seriously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if and and the tone of this movie is far serio far more serious, right? Right.

So it's funny it would be a huge tonal shift to just have this goof ass like her doing the splits into the knife thing nowhere. I that totally that would feel off. If we're thinking even just like in in reality's sake, like I don't know if you ever've ever seen there's ton you can watch them on Instagram, there's a ton of things where people jump on a trampoline and there's not a knife that just jammed through it and they fucking fall through the fucking trampoline like a hole.

And I was just like with a straight trampoline, if you stabbed a trampoline with a blade, the next time she jumped, she would have just the thing would have just torn apart. Right. So like the idea of there even being multiple stabs or her getting multiple jumps and stuff, sure it's fun, but it's not realistic. So like to me it's like, okay, if we're not playing in reality, fucking split that shit.

I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. That's fine. That's what you want. Yeah. That's what I wanted. That's what that's So when the when we're going to be able to do Brian sitting there ri rubbing his hands and oh, they're gonna show it to me. When they show the fucking gymnasium and a trampoline with a spotlight on it, I was just like Here we go. And she does the splits immediately, so you're like, oh there it is. I'm like, oh she yeah. So I'm like, oh where you know and I did like

the idea that that she you know, he's like, Yeah, let's let's do this and then he whips that dude's fucking neck around. So he's not even looking at the trampoline anymore. She doesn't even notice, but I like that he's still sitting there

facing the wrong direction. Yeah. You know, like and it it's again, like that's a gr it's still great. But like I just yeah, I just thought it was gonna be something different and gnarlier. Cause you're to me like that's the thing. Like okay I made this crazy trailer. People loved it. Now I have to up the ante.

That's where my mind goes. I'd say yes if it was two years later. Now I have to up the Annie. People that's still fresh in people's minds. The trailer that only showed in the theater Maybe as a special feature on some DVD movie from fucking year from long ass time ago. Yeah. And most people don't know. No, it's a a little niche. That's a niche that's more of a niche movie. I'd say more people are watching Thanksgiving than are even watching

Grindhouse. Oh, for a hundred percent. I mean that's again that's it's his most applauded movie. Like yeah. I mean, even over Cavin Fever and stuff, it's got a good po point and a half better on IMDb of just like people liking it. But like money wise It's done the best out of all his horror movies. It's like, you know. If people want to watch it on this particular holiday, it it pays in dividends for his whole life. That is really the reason why he pulled back.

I think is because like he was like I'm gonna still do it gnarly. He did I mean God like fucking ladies got hanging out the Dumpster stuck on the fucking store. Yeah. It's gnarly. Head on a p all this everything. Yeah. The skin on the the freezer door. I mean like th there's tons that it's great. There's a there's tons. But

I do think that it's throttled back enough to be still mainstream enough for people to watch it every Thanksgiving. And that's fully intentional. Right. And also totally totally it's gnarly.

For even for that. Yeah. Like anyone that's gonna be like, ooh, I'd like to watch a people that say in their minds out loud, I'd like to watch a Thanksgiving themed horror film. What do you got? That's more gnarly than I think anything they could have picked. Sure, right. But I also think in twenty twenty five everyone's

There's I mean, look at Walking Dead. Half the shit we've seen in this happened on Walking Dead. Yeah, for sure. On T V. Right. So like And with as much nudity. Yeah, people are people are sized. You know, like w unfortunately you know, in twenty twenty five. We're not the freaks anymore that we used to be. You know, being so desensitized to horror is a is a very normal thing now. So like, you know, you have to go harder.

That's why the things like the substance was like s so rad because they went like, Oh, we're gonna turn this thing up to the biggest thing. You know, and so but I do understand also like wanting to have this thing have legs and be reach a wider audience uh a a thing where you are. You know, it's like okay

Christmas time, of course, you have all those. People are going to watch Krampus. They're going to fucking watch Black Christmas. You're going to watch Silent Night, Daily Night. You're going to do all those things.

Um, but for Thanksgiving you're v hard pressed, even though there is a handful of movies, there's nothing called Thanksgiving. And nothing really that embraces the holiday like this one does. Yeah. Which like if we're wanting Christmas trees and Santa and all that bullshit for our Christmas horror movie

This delivers in spades all of the things you think of for Thanksgiving and more, right? Mm-hmm. Which is great for sure.'Cause it starts off with the Black Friday thing, which is a getting a great addition and it's so and it It's it's funny and it's timely and it's gets gnarly. It feels like Krampus though Krampus kinda already beat him. They did that. But it goes harder. It definitely goes harder. And she's getting cr you know, just like curbed and like

The the the death end of it. Yeah, there's a lot of like that shit that's happening in Krampus, but they don't really follow it to the end of what probably was happening. But it makes me kinda sick. Like that part was like I was actually like having a harder time with this time just because of how yeah I'm like this is not that far off.

Black Friday on Black Fridays, yeah. Like Is that true, really? Yeah. Oh, it's trampled. In particular, there was a there was an there was an African American security guard in New York City in two thousand eight, I think, that they said that was trampled like this movie. And just that people are so like the capitalism is the fucking horror of this movie, you know. For sure. You know. But like

You know, obviously like the the catalyst being the you know, people are getting killed and people wanting revenge and that's that's not new. But watching all that unfold, you're just like, God, humans suck so much. Yeah. The guy that plays the uh Jessica's dad, who owns the

Is it Wright Mart? Right Mart, yeah. W yeah kind of like Walmart, whatever. Like Wright Mart, yeah. But I didn't recognize him until I saw a younger picture of him and he's from he's in hostel. Yeah, he's like one of the main dude and or the main like one of the main tourist guys in the hostel.

He looks d yeah, it's weird to see him'cause he's older and you know, definitely like looks older. And he's cool, he is fine, he works he's a good dad figure, you know, for sure. I mean, it this is a it is a comedy, right? This this is a comedy horror. I it's it's done with a wink for sure.

Just the whole idea that that's Black Friday and that and that it's like it's a revenge from a Black Friday gone haywire. Right. Yeah. But but he he doesn't lean into that humor as much as like I thought he was going to. Yeah, certainly Cabin Fever leans into the humor much more.

And I feel like um yeah, I guess Green uh Green Inferno doesn't really have that much that I remember. Yeah. Yeah and I again I've only watched it the one time in the theater or whatever that we did it. But it felt it felt s serious. I mean I think there was some elements of

funny moments but yeah.'Cause he's a funny guy, so that's gonna have that. And at its at its root though, there's like yeah, the funniest part of Captain Fever really is besides besides Pancakes Kid is Eli's character showing up at the campfire. You have that and then the officer, right? Yeah and then Winston. But I think that scene multiple times since and I am just obsessed with Giuseppe. Talk about what you sol what you send to us. What you s sent to us the other day.

And I found that he's like started a weird ass music career and I found like this six song where shit is six with a it's like I can only find it in the music video version. I don't think it's like online to listen to any stream anywhere, but you can find it on YouTube. Yeah. And it's just like a weird video hymn with this like

moccasins on and a open shirt and little shorts, playing an acoustic guitar with a fucking full on beard. Playing this fucking song and I did not watch the video, I only listened to it as I was on the floor. You gotta watch the video'cause there's a there's dancing at the end that I actually really checked it for a second.

'Cause I was like, Why is how is the song still going? What am I what what should I be watching? Wha and I looked and I'm like, Oh, okay. Well'cause yeah, the the song itself is very long and at at the end it takes a we you know, it's one of those songs that like where it's like Oh yeah, that song that part of the whole song that was four minutes is gone now. We're gonna do this.

Justin Timber like future sex love sounds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he just like puts homemade. Holds a guitar and just like does weird dancing to it that I just it just lives in my head now. I love it. It's so dumb. It's so weird. He's very weird. I would have no I mean, I guess I if I had a guessed that that guy was weird back then, I could have said, Yeah, that guy's probably weird. I wouldn't have seen it coming like from his earlier works, like I think the

stuff he's most well known for like his earlier in his kind of younger like the last year. Detroit Rock City, Independence Day, the the Smashing Pumpkins music videos. Like he he seems like just like kind of a sweet boy vibe. Yeah. Yeah. And then he's like so weird in Cabin Fever and then His career just gets strange. He just kinda goes off the rails a little bit. He looks like he's been taking some psychedelics and like his music kind of reflects that a bit.

filming people that like live round there and just like feeding them lines and just making weird fucking videos and just just for fun just just'cause he's a weird artist. Gummo. Sounds fascinating. He's just a weirdo art guy now. I love it. And that's what this music kind of reflects is just him like

Just kind of fuck it. I'm just gonna do whatever the fuck I want. Yeah. Could be as weird as I want it to be. Did he stop acting altogether? It seems like he has, yeah. Weird. Which is a real shame'cause I fucking love him. He's a great actor. I would love to see him turn up in something and have like some I would love it. I I don't know if if I think he can't be found right now. Yeah. People love the map. They can't locate him. They don't know where he's

Where he's at these acoustic guitar if you want to get a hold of him. I don't know. I love him w I want him back. I'm ready for him to make a return. Yeah. I just thought that was funny that y we you know so like

I mean I don't know if we should even s mention why the reason why we were even Yeah, we could mention it. Listeners, we have a Cabin Fever episode that we've been sitting on for a little while'cause We had other things like we had it was November. We're gonna put it out in November, but then November happened so we put it out instead. So look forward to a Patreon only Cabin Fever episode. Yeah. But we had just watched it, it was fresh in our minds. And this is like

a twenty year gap between Eli Roth and it sent sent sent me down this weird rabbit hole with this dude. But Yeah. And just that is so so so cool. It's it's weird to like see that too where you're seeing like an early, early, early thing that Eli Roth worked on with very little money. To where this guy is now. Who he gets a lot more money and he's a lot more Seasoned and he's making a a a like a legit ass and now it's a franchise. I mean there's

he's working on part two. Yep. It looks like the whole cast, even Gina Gershawn is back in it, which I was like, how like are we gonna have some weird throwback stuff? Some flashbacks. I love Gina Gershawn. Me too. I was surprised to see her. I was like but and it sounds like he's friends with Eli she's friends with Eli Roth and she actually hit him up and was like

When are you gonna put me in a horror movie? And he's like, I'm literally making this right now and I want you in it, you know? Which is awesome. But like Yeah, Genior Gershawn is fucking like awesome and was very like, Whoa, whoa. I didn't expect there to be like actual folks in here. I know when Gina Gershawn showed up, I was like, Wow, she there's actors in there. Yeah. I mean we see Patrick Dempsey right off the bat, so like

I'm I'm so mad at him right now. He's should he's supposed to be in this new screen movie and he's not. Really? What number was he in three? He was in three. Okay. And they alluded to his character marrying Sidney, Sidney's yeah, you know, Nev Campbell's character in part five. Okay. And so the new movie's it's all about her and her family. So he was supposed to return the uh the character Mark

Okay. His name's Mark and then he wouldn't come back for some reason, and now they have to like rewrite it as some different Mark. Oh that sucks. And I just hate that like it just fucks the head cannon up. Just give whatever he wants. Get him back. I hate that there's like, oh well he wants ten thousand dollars more than we were really

Psh just fucking give it to him so you don't have to fuck up this whole bullshit anymore. Or just or just be like, All right, so she divorced Mark and he's out of the picture now and there's she's married to someone else now. Fine. Yeah. I'll take that over like it's just a different mark. Yeah, that's bullshit. Give me a break. I don't know who only like dude's name Mark. What? Only like I only like Mark ass dude.

I hate it. It like kinda it really fucks with me. The movies have been really good about being consistent too and like bringing people back and be just really having a good timeline, you know, like that's pretty solid for sure. Perfect, but pretty solid. This this kind of fucks with it a bit and I and in a very nitpicky way. I feel like Scream is with the last round of

firings and hirings and putting out the last movie and then having a a big old controversy like you better deliver something we all wanna see in order to make up for the fucking flip flop and dumb shit you better. I mean Kevin Williamson is writing and directing this one so That's great. We'll see. I don't know what a kind of a director he is, but we'll see. The trailer looks okay.

I mean but you know, like I almost was like ready to and and maybe even still like not go see it in the theaters just because like, you know, if they're fucking Pro Israel like I'm not stoked on the companies doing these these days. They're not they're not doing great. And we should probably pay Nev Campbell what she's worth and then not pay Patrick Dempsey to come back for what he's worth. Like those are stupid mistakes where I'm like you don't care about this franchise.

Yeah, yeah. Fire your your lead actress from these this new kind of version of screen like get out of here to stop. Yeah. They they blew it. And I feel like that they this these movies make so much fucking money. Yeah. That they should really just like give everybody what they want and just make it. And they're gonna live on for so long'cause these the there's the great consistency of these movies. Right. Like it it's just they're kind of groundbreaking'cause they're the lead actor

From the start is it's the same woman. She hasn't died. Like you they always get killed off by the third movie at least, and she's still going, Here we are in seven. And you and you and you it's even crazy. You rebooted you you know you re whatever, you relaunched the the franchise still so like you can just keep fucking going. You're gonna be making money off these things for sure for a long time. So just just pay the actors what they deserve. So yeah.

So I mean in this like the the movie starts out For Thanksgiving. The movie starts out where you kind of have a funny student bodies like through the mask or I you know, heavy breathing, the view from the killer walking up to the house. Turns out it is the actual Right. And I knew that I knew that, but then the whole movie, and I appreciate this, where he's

Like the whole like literally opens up Patrick James and I'm like, Oh, he's the killer. Like, literally thought that. But then every time we see the killer in the movie. It's played by a different actor. Yeah. So the body's weird. At one point I was like, there's a woman under there. Straight up. I'm I swear there was a woman in one of those. Maybe. And and I'm like

Okay. Like so then then of course I'm like, oh like I'm really did I fall for like the ultimate red herring thing? Is this your first time watching the movie t today? Yeah. Okay. Had you seen it before? I'd seen it in the theater. Oh okay, I I did not see it. It was my first time seeing it. Okay. So I'm watching it just like knowing who the killer was at you know, the whole time. Sure. Did you clock that the original first time you watched it though? Who the killer was? Yeah. No.

I didn't either. I mean I didn't click it clock it all. Right, right, right. It's they try to explain it but they don't really like I don't know how he got away with He's the middle of doing cop business and then just disappears for hours at a time and and is somewhere in a entirely different location. I don't understand how that works. There is a scene too where the killer Is showing the kids the camera, and there's another person on the other side filming the other people he has wrapped up.

There you go. It's like the camera's moving doesn't never address that at all. So it doesn't make any sense. So maybe in part two they do, but like you know, it is interesting that like there's that that just no one ever even like mentions, but like there's two people involved with this setup, you know. Right.

Yeah, again, I after after I initially was like, There's a killer, and I'm like, oh, maybe not. Like that that guy's way shorter and looks very frail. And then like that person has a nice ass and like baby boobs. Like I every time that we showed and I was like, there's they're differing heights. By the end of the movie I was I knew for a fact they were they were playing us. Like they they were having multiple people playing the c the character.

But I had to go and actually make sure that that was the Just to fuck with you. Just so you could never pinpoint who never yeah. Which I appreciate. That's cool. But it's also like weird, right? Like, you know, you're that's not the you know, the killer. So like If anybody was like, you know, anybody that survived him at any point could be like, Why is he three feet shorter? You know.

Th it was uh the murder mystery part of it had got me and I was like I don't really love that about these movies whenever I see it. I'm like I don't need to sit around and figure out who it is. Yeah who done it yeah, is it which one of the two boyfriends is it? Right, right. Turns out it's neither and it's Yeah. We'll see. Right.

Fucking what's his name? Ryan. Ryan is like the son of the cop or whatever. He seems like such a shit bag. He seems like a real Deutsch. Yeah. Which I'm like, why would you even go back to that dude after they were like arguing outside and you're like I don't wanna see either one of you. Why the fuck would you go back to that dude? He seems like a peace. Rich piece. I like scuba.

Scooby lived. Scooby lived. A lot of people lived. Yeah. A lot like way more than normal. A lot of people died too. A lot of people died. I mean half that table was full. Yeah, and I but like That woman, I wanted her to die in that fucking store. Like that woman was horrible. And you're just like, please die. I love that everyone that this is Plymouth, Massachusetts. Everyone's got the worst towny like Massachusetts accent.

It's hilarious. That makes it a comedy right off the bat. But you should read about her though? No. That woman is actually that's her real her real accent. Yeah, real town. Actually, also really related to John Carver, the actual like true Plymouth rock fucking on the Mayflower dude. Like she's like the ninth cousin of that guy or some shit. Come from the original Whitey. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you like the mask by the way? Do you guys like the look of the mask? Burn version's cool, it's a little droopy. I like the droop. I I was digging that. But uh you know, th it's cool. It's a cool I mean we just never you know, we we haven't had that yet, so but the thing that too, everyone else bec because it's Thanksgiving and it's because it's Plymouth, Massachusetts And because they're having like a parade, everyone who gets in one of those fucking pilgrim outfits looks like the d

Biggest dipshit I've ever seen. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. When you put on the fucking wide collar like Hello, stupid. Fart, dude. Just like who the fuck and you're wearing a felt version of it, dude? You are a fucking dumb shit. Also don't like the eyes of the mask, the little black eyes. It look like it's little wonky eyed. Sure. Yeah. Because I

Each one is drilled differently, right? So they're gonna be some of them be real long. It's like which way you look in there, yeah, champ? Yeah. I don't know. I I don't know if it was would have been better just to have it the full eyes just cut out all together, kinda like Michael Myers style. Sure. Instead of just the dots, the black dots.

I think i i but any more cutout you'll be able to see who's on the yeah. Yeah. They'll just show darkness, you know, like you do with uh and I do like that it's a vacuform cheap ass mask. I like that. I like his As we saw instantly, you know, they were selling'em and they have like a version that's fucked up and a version that's regular. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I think Trick or Treat's probably who's doing it. But that's awesome. You know, whatever. But like also it is like the most like

white person coloniist colonial like yeah. You know, like, okay, you know, like we do have a uh a a an African American in the movie, which is cool, but otherwise it's fucking the whitest fucking horror movie ever made. It's I mean you're John Carver's your guy and it is just so clowny.

Also I'm Carver, isn't that kinda cool? Dark meat. Everybody everything gets carved. That was in the trailer. That's a great line. These are great lines. Yeah. Yeah. And there will be no leftovers as a great line. Great line. Oh yeah. This is the epitome. This is the silent night, deadly night of Thanksgiving horror movies, right? Like it it really is like Who's wait, who's Ricky then? That means that Patrick Dempsey's Ricky? Yeah, I don't know.

I you know, and I don't love Patrick Dempsey. Like I don't think he's like all that and like Him being the killer was almost kind of like ah like I n I knew it, but then also I was kinda bummed that he was. Like I wanted it to be more I never I wasn't satisfied with that either. I don't know why. I wasn't satisfied with how she put two and two together to figure it out. Like because he had some weeds on that she had just been.

I don't remember the shoes. Oh, I remember. I guess she was looking at the shoes. I didn't know. I kept talking'cause I'm like w trying to figure out who's in this costume. Right. So I kept on looking at you and I'm like Again, like oh look these these pants are a little tighter in the rear on ya. And then like yeah, I I it was so funny, like every time I'm like there was one the very first one. Oh is that you? Is that you, Jeff? Yeah. Yeah. We'll sniff. Yep, that's Jeff.

No, but like I don't know. It was one of them one of them I was like, There's no way that the the stature of that person just ripped someone's head off. Right. You know, there's like that's the thing too. That's superhuman strength for somebody who's just like angry cause his love of his life got murdered. Yeah. But this is a horror move so everyone's made of jello. Of course. Everyone's made of jello. There's no way that that float went through the

Win you know, the windshield and his eyeball like that.'Cause it's just it looks like such a it's not sharp. No. It's just I feel like the whole poll was through the guy's whole face, right? Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. But like Yeah. And you'd have to be made a fucking putty for that to happen. Yeah, he was. Like you see part of the nose is like it's just a chunk of it's fine'cause it's cool. It's fun. It's an amazing I mean the the two kids

That was more rough for me where I was just like, these two two kids are yelling grandpa, grandpa, because their grandpa just got fucking floated. And you're just like, whoa, like Yeah. Uh yeah. And I again like I it was so fun and the kills were fun and like all that. I just wanted it to be funner and gnarlier.

But I but I can't condemn it. I think it's a great horror movie. I would definitely watch it again. Yeah, it's really fun. I'll throw it on around Thanksgiving time. Yeah, it's a it's a good Thanksgiving one for sure. Yeah. I saw so this ended and immediately popped up Oh, you should also watch and it was just a movie called The Pilgrim, which almost looks exactly like the same because it's obviously the guy's dressed like a fucking pilgrim.

Right. Everyone with a fucking buckle hat is gonna look the same. Yeah, and I think it was probably made literally like one of those things like it's like the same year or like right behind it. Let me see, Pilgrim. Oh shit. What's up, bud? Okay, so Pilgrim, the horror movie, came out in twenty nineteen.

Mm. But the cover, I mean it definitely like it looks like the freeze frame shot at the beginning of Thanksgiving almost. I love the credits in this movie in Thanksgiving. Yeah. Credits are great. Fonts are great. Really fun. What with the misfits? Yeah. I do like anytime we uh you know, especially

Yeah. I'm like, oh I and I'm sure like kids nowadays are probably like, Oh, they're playing some old music, some old like golden oldies. To me they are golden oldies. They're great. I love them as well.

It's that's it's that kind of credits that keep me hanging on so I can see the little end credit scene, which is fun, but not really exciting. I was I was thought it was gonna lead to something, but it was just like a goof. Yeah, it was just a g a little blooper. Yeah. But I was like, Oh, oh, is there something with dad, you know? Like

But yeah, I mean like for the most part, everybody dying, I could care less. What was your uh favorite kill, guys? Oh man. I think the oven kill was the most effective for me. It was so gnarly. And then the thing little thing pops up. Yeah, that the little yeah, the little thermometer. But like again, I'm like Man, I'm fucked up, you guys. I just was like, she barely looked like she was cooked.

He sliced off a piece of the thigh meat away. And her head on the table was fucking gnarly. And her clothes would have all fucking caught fire. I Do I just live in too much of a horrible reality that I'm just like You live with anger. Stoke some form of emotion in me. I don't know. You left disappointed, like, oh I didn't I didn't wretch. I didn't I wasn't s it didn't affect me psychically. Yeah, I just want to be shocked. I want to be awed. I feel you, yeah.

What about that mouth's head at the deck? Pop he got a good fucking Gallagher fucking Yeah, yeah. I couldn't believe that guy survived as long as he did. Like that that guy's the guy that should have died early on. Such a piece of sh Everyone was so annoying. How about our fucking

How about the m the heavy metal guy who just buys a liquor for teenagers? I like McCarty. McCarty fucking was one of my favorite guy was selling the guns and had a party and shit. I c I kinda like his little little runt of a friend. I liked his little rent.

that the killer multiple times look at varying heights and at one point it looked very short. I was like, oh fuck, is it McCarty and his little fucking runt? Yeah, I think that's what they wanted you to think. I w I kind of would have liked it. Also when he'cause like when he gave it he's like the roommate with the

The douchebag boyfriend too, right? Is that the same kid? Oh is he? I don't think Oh he's he but he is friends with that guy. Yeah. Earlier yeah, they're friends too. The little the little yeah. That's shithead.

Uh, which is also funny. I love how he fucking got back at that dude. Well if he has the balls to do something like that and throw this party with this dude. Why was he doing that shit in the first place for this kid? Yeah, I don't know. U uh money, I think. I think it's a money. But he wasn't getting paid, so then he was like also not getting a beating. Uh-huh. Right. Right. But like when so McCarty gives

The gun to homeboy, right? To scuba. And he's like, make sure you leave it on safety so you don't shoot your nuts off. I was like that you know, like, okay. So then when he tries to shoot Carver, when he's got his girlfriend, Yulia, right, you know, uh, and he tries to shoot and there's the fucking safety on, I was like, Oh fuck, it is McCarthy.

Like he set this up. Because I even thought, like, even after he got it off safety and he was going to get a shot off, which he never actually did. He never fired the gun. I thought it was going to be blank. Mm. And I was like, Oh, it's fucking it's it's McCarty that which would have been kind of like fun where he's like, Oh, I s you know, g giving the gun, giving you these things. Here's the thing for you to cut the ropes. You know, like how weird was him to him to give her that that ring?

That's a really fucking I was like that's some sort of tracking device or something. It was really very like I'm the red herring everyone like you know fucking wearing a fucking red sh fish suit like my It was very weird, but like Also, cool, whatever. He helped her out, you know. But I did like that character and I kinda you know, it would be kinda fun if he was fucking Carver.

Yeah. I kinda I kind of was hope they did they actually mentioned it. They mentioned like they that he could be. Right. Dempsey kinda did the same thing when he set up the whole float idea, like, well we'll be hiding out here in this place and this is what we'll capture him and then he kills everyone in the fucking parade. Yeah. Which is like That was a sick scene because you're looking for Carver. Everyone's wearing a Carver mask.

And then the and it was from the trailer, right? The same situation, right? Where the there's the he's not dressed like that and he whips the fucking head off of the fucking turkey skill uh mascot in broad daylight, during the mascot. And then there's You know, shot grenades and fucking smoke bombs and I kinda wish he was in the carver outfit though instead of the clown. Yeah, I mean of course, but like I do like that he was like

Everyone's looking for this, I'm gonna do this and totally do something broad daylight in front of thousands of people. Totally. And he knows the plan, so he knows how to f fuck it up. Yeah. Yeah. Because he he developed the plan. Throwing that fucking that flashbang into the car and then Doot doo doo everyone's fucking darted. Traves peels right up. Yeah. Pretty good. Wow, dude. Like.

You know, that was fun. But then somehow ends up back at the fucking precinct and then drives out there with a SWAT team and then somehow somehow is able to disappear. Yeah. And then show up at do the whole dinner scene. Like what? There's some continuity weirdness. How the fuck is he doing any of this? For sure. And even like she hopped the fence.

Right. To escape from him. He still had other people in that other weren't weren't there wasn't there Yeah, and she j then she quickly discovers his body on the ground. Right. And he he apparently had

Some scuffle with the old boyfriend. Like all this shit happened in this time that she was just running through a field. Right. Like what? And he's already you were on the other side of the field on the fence. Yeah, he's out of his costume. Yeah. He also didn't go check out Bon Scuba, who was just injured. No. They had a bunch a couple scenes where he would just be like

you'd hear gunshots and you wouldn't see anything happening. They're like, What are you what are we even? Like we're we're outside and the action's happening inside. Right. That they do that in cheaper movies, not this shouldn't have happened in this movie. Yeah. So there's definitely some stuff where I'm just like, okay, like

He's kinda playing with us a little bit'cause like what we're seeing and what's actually happening, that's not what's right, you know, but whatever. It's a movie, right? Yeah, but it's i it's a cheat fr of this yeah, you know, who done it genre. But you you're cheating us and you're fi like again, like having a bunch of different sized people play the the killer. Yeah.

So we can't tell. I mean, like, well that's that's cheating though. It's cheating. Because again, if it's not I mean, not that they don't do that and scream they have a stunt guy doing the right the ghost face stuff and it's not, you know, fucking one of the girls or whatever, one of the girl killers. But At least it's it doesn't feel as uh much of a rip out.

Short people, these fucking roundies, there's all kinds of people. And that's I mean it's throw you off purposefully, which just seems like a dick move. Totally. And and to make a a new new a brand new horror movie that's gonna have legs, you kinda have I mean he is directly stealing that's a scream move. Like I don't know a lot of any old old horror movies that pulled that move. Like they might have had a different person playing the monster or the killer. Just for whatever stunt's sake.

But like it wasn't like multiple people to throw you off of the scent, you know? Yeah. If it's Jason walking at you, it's the fuck it's Jason. You know it's Jason, you know. If it's Michael Myers under a sheet with glasses, you know it's fucking Michael Myers.

But even then, like later on they have people dressing up like Michael Myers and they're like, Well, that that doesn't look like Michael Myers and they pull it and it's like a guy and a n another guy in a mask. Right. Yeah, yeah. Or you have a blonde Michael Myers wig. Or yeah. Fucking Martin Short.

But uh but I mean overall I really I enjoyed it. I you know It's a well made movie, it's fun. Yeah it and it kinda delivers delivers on most of the things you you want out of this movie. Fully. So and again, like to like it is weird that there hasn't been another like Thanksgiving full on you know. He he's the first one to do any of the the stuff he did and it's like how has that not been done in the eighties? Yeah. I mean at the boom of holiday slashers.

I'm I'm it's very interesting to me that's it just seems so ripe after you see seen it done. Right, right, right. Holy shit, there's his trailer that's two thousand seven, so it's not like he bit the pilgrim movie. Or a blood rage. Right. Or any of that stuff.'Cause he he you know, he's starting from that. But like it is interesting, like I'm very curious about this pilgrim, but I I again I it's just gonna be to me

If I was like, why didn't they just call it Thanksgiving, right? Like I wonder. I mean, he's been talking about making this yeah version of the movie forever since the trailer came out. Sure. So maybe whoever made this pilgrim already knew that this was i in the work somewhere. Yeah. I don't know. That's a full speculation. Yeah. That is probably And it's far from true. And I'm sure the Pilgrim thing was utter dog shit, right? So like Judging by that cover, yeah.

So whatever. I mean th there might be an obscure Thanksgiving horror film that we don't know about. Yeah. I mean Blood Rage, if uh you saw Blood Rage, is it and it and it there's a lot of Thanksgiving shit. There's a lot of it. So like I mean they're not dressing like pilgrims, but that's Ps particular this takes this this movie takes place in Plymouth Rock, like in Plymouth, Massachusetts, like

There's a reason why. Like this actually has ties to real life pilgrims and the Mayflower and shit, you know. Like whether you care about that or don't. Yeah. Whether you think that's necessary to own a Thanksgiving movie or not. Right. It's in there. Yeah. But if you think about I mean, w the original Thanksgiving took place in Plymouth, right? Sure. With I mean the that we know about the supposed right.

with the supposed indigenous people. Yes. Yeah, if we're going off what the holiday is supposedly is and about Yeah. Sure. Right. So and that's what this movie's basing its like historical lineage off of. Yeah. And it it's checking all the holiday boxes. Totally. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be and it but it its grudge is only a year old. It's not like those things are what the grudge is about.

Like it's it's only a one year anniversary of Black Friday. Right. That it the whole thing is it just happens to be the John Carver look. I I think it's'cause it's Thanksgiving E. Right. And it's funny though that like I always When you have a person who's so batshit crazy now from whatever happened to them that they want revenge so bad, but they've also like

concocted this entirely crazy scenario and these situations and these murders and all this stuff. I'm like, how the hell are you having the time to also hold it together to be a cop on any kind of like a regular basis? You know, that no one has been like Uh fucking uh sheriff's acting a little wonky right now, like He seems really upset these days. Also it disappears for a long period of time. He changed a lot after that last, you know. Mm-hmm.

Seems all he's out of breath running around on his tummy. He's got some secret weird golf cart that's invisible or something. Fucking Wonder Woman golf cart. No, but yeah, I again I enjoyed it and I I'm stoked. I'm I kinda bummed that I didn't watch it in the theater. Yeah, I I wish I I didn't I didn't even really I guess I knew about it. I I wasn't really paying much attention, I guess. I feel like I was really hating on Eli Roth at that point, so I was like really like.

For whatever forever. Hard past. I think it was maybe a green inferno did it to me, but I was yeah. For sure. And I I don't even in retrospect I think that movie was okay. There was gnarly shit in that movie. Yeah. Now that we're kinda on the Eli Roth train right now. Yeah. And I don't h and again I don't hate him. I actually love him as an actor. Yeah. I I I like him I think as a person. I think if I you know, like he seems ratting me, he's friends with Kiko, like we you know

We have mo mutual friends. I'm sure he's a great dude and we we know he's a great dude horror nerd interviews with him. Um whenever I hear an interview with him, I I think he's fantastic. Yeah. You and again you could tell he's like a fucking giant, huge horror fan. So like And he's funny and he's knowledgeable and he seems like just a great dude. Yeah.

I don't know why I'm fucking tripping. Like I don't you know I don't know why. What's your problem, Brian? I'm on board now. Uh it took me a couple of times, you know. Like it took me a couple of years. Uh the anniversary, you know, of the massacre on you know, fucking Black Friday. It took me Uh but no, I'm I'm I'm on um I'm definitely psyched on part two. I'm I'm in. Yeah, I'm interested in seeing uh kind of going back and seeing what movies I miss by Elayroth myself. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I was actually happy I read in the trivia for Thanksgiving that like he was more focused on Thanksgiving so he actually had uh who whoever his A D was to go work on reshoots for Borderlands. So maybe Borderlands is fucked up and didn't get a lot of you know good vibes because part of it was in shot by Eli or you know Eli and stuff or directed by him. Um we'll just say that.

I'm I'm glad that he was stoked enough on his on Thanksgiving the horror movie that he was like focused and like stoked on it and like Yeah. It wor it worked out. It's a good movie. Yeah. Still gnarly. Yeah. Very gnarly. I just I'm jaded. Yeah. Is there is that so wrong? Because at that point that was one of the more original things I've ever seen from like a slasher thing. Like I'm like, why didn't we ever see this in the 80s?

It kinda reminds me of like how now too hard. Now in retro like in the the newer Friday the thirteenth movies is when we started seeing him smashing people in sleeping bags. But like why didn't that happen in the second one? Too darling. Yeah. And people couldn't handle it. I don't think they knew how to do it then. Yeah. They do so much crazy shit that you think that the budget

I don't think it's a budgetary thing. You're taking people's heads off and stuff all the time. You could just you could easily whip a sleeping bag around. Looks like it's got a person in it. I could do that. Yeah. It'll look bad, but I could do it.

Anyways, yes. So this happy Thanksgiving everybody. I mean Thanks Thanksgiving. I mean fuck you know, and and just for the record, I don't think that any of us actually care about the real reason of Thanksgiving and and it's pretty fucked really. And so it's always been my least favorite holiday out of all the holidays that are big. Yeah. Yeah.

Before I had a family I just liked the fact of like oh I get to go skateboard'cause everything's closed and the security guards are fucking eating and shit. So like Thanksgiving was always a fun day to like go out and do that. Nowadays, like I do I spend time with my family and we get to eat a bunch of rad food, but I don't I'm not there for like, you know, the reason of the season. So

We have friends who go to the casinos around here and spend a lot of money. Fuck yeah. As they're I had a lot of money I would spend a lot of money in the casino out there. Hell yeah. It was fun. We did it. We did guys. All right. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Couple of years later, but I I I feel like now everyone's seen it, right? Sh I think everyone in this room has. Yeah, it's on Hulu. You you know. Hopefully you you listeners have all seen it now.

If you haven't, fuck, go watch it. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. And get ready for the second one.'Cause that hopefully we can go see the second one. It'll probably be released around Thanksgiving whenever it comes out. Yeah, it came out in November last until twenty twenty three. Yeah, so hopefully we can go see it and maybe do a a proper episode like right after it comes out'cause that'll be fun. For sure, yeah. Sounds good.

But uh now that we actually have a couple of things to do on Thanksgiving, it's been kinda hard and we should do Blood Rage at some point. Yeah, we got plenty of Thanksgiving ahead of us. It's a good just all just shitty chat slasher movie from the eighties. It sounds like it was right up my alley. It is, it's right up like the Trampoline. It's my Vajali. Uh before we go, let's thank our sponsors. Let's thank the next record store in Santa Rosa first, please.

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