Ep -337: The Town That Dreaded Sundown (2014).

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Way to listen to this show, I guess. Why did they do that? In the back of a room? Yeah, why did they do that? Come on, come closer. You huddled in the corner with your hands down your pants. Come closer. Welcome to Forever Midnight. You're one of us, obviously. Yeah, the hands on the pants was a giveaway. That's a dead giveaway, yeah. All three hands. Welcome to Forever Midnight, a joyful discussion of horror in cinema with your hosts, Jeff Olvern, Josh Staples, and Brian Henderson.

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should we make a t-shirt graphic that just says forever midnight and it's like the pants but there's three hands digging into it But it's all of our hands into someone's pants? Yeah, yeah. Someone else's pants. Or one of our pants, but all of our hands in it. Maybe it's like... It's inappropriate. Maybe it's like those pictures you see of like...

Like a buns, like in jeans, but then like there's hands in the pockets. Now people do that. There's three hands in three pockets. There's like a pocket in the middle. I would love it if it's actually arms because we're all tattooed up so you could tell whose arm is whose. We need to like sew an extra pocket onto like some pants and then shoot a photo of it. Yeah. That'd be really fucking funny. That'd be so funny. A hundred percent. Oh my God.

Who's like, what's a good horror movie butt? I mean, there's that. I mean, I don't think there was pockets on it. Maybe there was. It could be like a Freddy Krueger butt. You know, you see the sweater. You see our three hands in those three pockets. I'm imagining like a... Like a camp counselor, like short shorts, like frayed where the pockets hang down lower than the cut. Oh God. I like that. Yeah. But does that say horror movie?

It says something to me. Yeah, it says it's talking to me. It's a sleepaway cramp. Yeah. Definitely like, yeah, I don't know. What kind of butt? What kind of butt? Picture you say Freddy Krueger, but I'm like, it's burnt. You got a burnt butt. no clothes on it. We have to have clothes on it. Yeah, I'm just talking about what's recognizable as a horror movie thing. If it's just a random butt, it's just like pornography. Freddy Krueger, a brown panted man. Yeah, and Jason has...

Brown or dark pants also, though. I feel like it would be so cool to have someone in Freddy Krueger's pants. You can tell it's Freddy Krueger because of the sweater hanging down. Like, it's maybe... a jumpsuit hand so it's Michael Myers had his hand in one pocket and then Freddy's got his hand in Jason's pocket but the fucking blades are going all the way through blasting through two butts

I guess these are separate graphics. Oh, boy. It's getting more and more complicated. We've got a whole butt line. We're complicating this. Yeah, like we've got a basket case butt. What does Belial's butt look like? I think it's horrible.

What about a gooey butt? He's got pants. He's got some suspenders holding something up. No, that's the thing. They're not holding anything up. They're holding the toilet up. I think he's wearing the toilet and the suspenders are clasped to the seat. Because we were joking about...

creating photos of like us as these iconic like ghoulies or whatever. And I was like imagining you with like a t-shirt and suspenders, but no pants on and like a giant toilet. Well, you couldn't see it. It would just go down. Right. But you can't, there's no pants on. It's clamped to his nugs. Clamped.

Oh, shit. I think there's a whole line here we're missing. I think there's a revenue stream that we are blowing it on. Yeah, I can hear the dollars trickle in. I can hear the coins clanking around the toilet. Yeah, this is great. Don't steal all of our shit, people. There's at least three bad ideas in there. Don't you touch them.

Actually, you can, yeah, please. If someone could draw the two-butt idea and also the three-pocket idea, come on. Do it. I dare you. You could go like front pockets, so you could have like two hands in the front pockets and then one hand down the pants. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. Like one of our own hands in our own pants and then both of you guys in the pockets. Oh, that's pretty good. I like that. You like that too? Uh-huh. Fronts and bunts. You know what? I had this...

You know, when back in the day, and maybe some people still use this, like the regular mail app on your, the one that's so complicated and to set up and is like on your Macintosh, like you click on the mail, the envelope icon and like. all your Gmail is supposed to go there and shit, but who the fuck does that? Probably people who know how to organize a computer, but me, fuck that. The only thing, whenever I accidentally click on an email on the internet, the only thing that pops up...

My mail thing is like, boom. I'm like, what the fuck? I don't use that. I've never logged into that. But I have a thousand unread messages from nothing bunt cakes. What? What did you sign up for? Yeah, you signed up for those guys or something? You had a late night bun attack. I've never eaten a nothing bun cake. Believe me, I'm not trying to say I'm a healthy man. I've had plenty of Hostess orange cupcakes in my time today.

But I've never been to a nothing bunt cakes. I've only seen them in a strip mall once in LA. But you signed up. I got to get alerted. They got to tell me. That's what I'm saying. I didn't sign up. They have one out at Conningtown. My brother just got a bunch for.

my nephew's graduation. Okay, well, let's take a quick break. I'll be back in 35 minutes with a nothing bunt of cake. They just look like cupcakes. Oh, I thought they'd be just like a... I thought a bun cake... Even a bigger one looks like a big cupcake.

I've never eaten a nothing bundt cake. I've never even opened an email because I can't log in. So I don't even know what it is. All I know is that whenever I click on an email accidentally, it's like nothing bundt cakes. What happened to the pants? I thought we were talking about pants and you went to bunts. I don't know. He's on a roll, though. Oh, you said front and butts. Oh, yeah. That's what.

It made sense. I was just riveted by the story, so I don't know. It made sense, yeah, the riveting bunt cake story. Josh, what are we talking about? You got a wild hair sticking out of your microphone, and I can't stop staring at it. You want to grab that for me? You want to grab that? It's so long. It must be one of my long, luxurious hairs I left in the microphone. What are you recording now? What were you doing? None of your business. Before we get started, let's think.

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that's it. I'm going right now. Do it. And then they're coming up, coming at us with full moon selections. Well, this time, no, not this time. Just, you know, no, this time I felt like this is something I had wanted to see for a long time. This is the remake slash.

sequel to the town that dreaded sundown grandma do you remember anything about the murders your great grandpa and your great grandma lived in this house when it happened He was the boogeyman, they said. Can't catch the boogeyman. Can't kill the boogeyman. You know, before that summer, everybody would leave their doors unlocked. And after the summer... You saw a stranger. You'd run the other way. And now? He's back. The town of Texarkana has awoken to a gruesome act of violence

He could have killed me, he didn't. He chose that girl to be his messenger. You fucked. It couldn't catch me 66 years ago, and they never will. People say he was a demon or a spirit. A soul consumed by vengeance. We are not hunting a ghost. We are after a flesh and blood killer. Just about everyone around here has got some kind of blood on their hands. He's gonna make the town pay for its sins.

and wanting to see it. So this was a great excuse to do it. Our top dog, Will Bailey, is the one that sicked this one on us. Thank you, Will. I appreciate you. Thank you very much, Will. This is kind of a fascinating movie in a way for me. Yeah.

Well, it's weird to do the new, like, not talking to Shadow New Will, but it's weird to do the new one before doing the old one. I'm fine with it. Maybe they assume that we've done the other one. I don't know. Yeah, like, I've seen parts of the old one, but I've never seen the whole thing of the old one. I've watched the old one. In its entirety once all the way through. And I felt like it was maybe five, six years ago. And I was like, the old one is corny.

Yeah, it's, what is it, 79? 76. 76, but it's something that takes place in like, what, 46 or 49 or something like that? Something in the late 40s. It's like a movie that was made in 1976 about murders that took place in... 1940 something and it kind of plays like a doc documentary in a way like there's narration there's you know dates and stuff obviously it's based off real murder goofy music have you seen the ridge yeah

Yeah. But it's been a long time, so I don't remember all the details about it, but I remember the gist of it. And we see a lot of it in this remake. Right, which is awesome. Yeah.

I think it's one of the highlights for me is the interaction between this movie and the original movie. Agreed. Yeah. Because you don't have to see the old one to appreciate the new one because you're watching a lot of the old one in clips where they're showing it on the drive-in screen. They're talking about Talking about it, showing it on the TV when the Marshall is watching it. Which is fucking fascinating. There's even a cool cutaway where they're filming the movie, where they're like...

You know, back in the 70s, filming the movie and stuff, which is cool. I mean, this opening sequence is phenomenal. I think it was fucking great. With the drive-in, you get to see part of it, and just how they're cutting in and out. It looks like you're watching the movie, but then they...

panned up and you're like oh you should drive it and they pan down into the drive-in it's like this nice one that they do and then they come back to it later where she's like running through the woods and then she ends up pulling out and it's like, oh, she's underneath the fucking screen now. It's fantastic. That's a great opening. Totally. It really is. And I feel like the one thing that I took away from the beginning that was odd was, do you...

I mean, I've been to some drive-in theaters in my time. Is there one where there's just a fucking projector on stilts sitting there in the middle of the cars? Like, what the fuck is that? I've been to a janky one like that. Really? I bet the one in Lake County is probably like that. Yeah. They got like a one screener. I gotta go. It's like 10 feet tall.

This was just projected on a wall somewhere. It was jank. It's on a stretched piece of canvas or whatever, but you can see the hooks. It's not like a big screen. All the drive-ins I've seen, too, when I was growing up going to drive-ins, which I had done a few times.

it's just like a big old plywood thing painted right yeah this is funny because they had like a really legit like a sign out front like oh it's the twin pines fucking theater you know driving and then it's like what it's just a bed sheet and a guy with a ladder and a projector yeah because the sign costs more than the whole setup that guy had why did they put the money in the fucking sign like get a screen

I feel like maybe... What the fuck are you doing? It could have been a real sign. A drive-in was gone. And they just were like... That's more than likely. It was supposed to take place in 2013. Right. It's a little...

Weird, though, because a lot of the clothing is still kind of like 40s, 50s based. It's fucking weird, right? There's a whole scene with a girl running to the airport to meet her boyfriend who's just come back from war, military, something like that. I thought it was in the 70s.

I was so confused. It's the 40s. I'm like, what the fuck? What era is this? Because it's filmed like it's in the 70s. It looks like it's in the 70s. Everyone's dressed like that. I felt like that was such a weird, jarring moment. It was fucking strange. It kicked in and it felt like we were in a terrible...

period yeah yeah scene yeah for sure bastards and then all of a sudden you're in a modern day porno yeah yeah yeah then you're in like a modern the civic or whatever the fuck you know like what the fuck are we doing yeah and then they're fucking and she yeah i was i was like damn dude this thing

This movie is brutal and horny. It is horny. At least for a couple parts. For that one scene. It's horn. There's three horny scenes. Yeah, yeah. There's almost a second base in the very beginning situation. Yeah. There's a blowjob. Oh, there is that...

There's a beach. Yep, there's a beach. And then there's also an almost beach or almost double handy. There's two other sex scenes. Yeah, there's a sex scene in the hotel. There's a sex scene with our main character. There's this dirty talk in that sign graveyard. No, no, it's horny. This is a horny movie. It's a horny little movie. I like it.

I like it. It was a lot more. Oh, there's the gay couple who just suggested that they were going to fuck. That's what I'm saying. Well, they weren't going to fuck. They were going to suck or hand job. I think he can do any of it.

You didn't even get to touch it. They were so close. You didn't even get a look at it. I know. Like, dude, let them fucking explore themselves real quick and then you can murder them. If you don't even get started, what's the point of murdering them? That's what we know slashers are all about.

to jump ahead but like how does that slasher guy know that they're going to be exploring each other's bodies in the graveyard of signs he probably followed them really you think i think so yeah you just seem to be i guess so yeah i guess that makes sense but i didn't see his car

I like... I call bullshit. You never see his car. I like the... I've always liked... I mean, the poster for the town that did the Sundown original and the new one... are both fucking great. Yeah, which is drawn by Ralph McQuarrie of, like, Star Wars fame. You guys know that? So sick, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. Super cool. And so, like, both of them, fucking creepy. Like, and it's...

As a true crime nerd, I knew that it was a real murder. The Moonlight Murders or whatever they're called. Which is fun. I hate the Phantom nickname, but the Moonlight Murders is fucking sick. The Texarkana Moonlight Murders is dope. So it's based on real events. Yeah. Right.

Based on a movie, based on real unsolved events, yeah. Right. Yeah, I mean, that town, Texarkana, to this day, since 2003, still shows... Like the Parks and Rec shows that movie every 4th of July, I think, or something like Halloween. Yeah. So that's like a legit thing they do that they pulled into the movie, which is cool. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like they wouldn't.

You would think they wouldn't, but I mean, it's only the movies that the copycat thing happens. Also, it's been long enough that it's not hurting anyone's feelings too much. Yeah, everyone's dead, right? Like 40s, for the most part. Yeah, say the killer was 20 years old.

at the youngest in 1947. Right. So that means he would have been born in 1927. That's a hundred years old almost. That's what they say. Like, did he be a hundred years old by now? We can only assume he's... dead or gone because there hasn't been murders like that connected to those murders in forever so they just like abruptly ended right yeah they all of a sudden ended so they think that like

Obviously, there's all... I mean, I can get into the nerdy true crime part of it, but it's not needed. You can if you like. They get into a lot of it in this movie. I feel like this is all interconnected. This movie, the original movie, and then the original... Those are all...

Totally. I feel like one in the same thing, these three things. And they go over it. I mean, the movie really is, this movie is really cool in the way that they like do a lot of the research and like do all the stuff and they're talking to...

You know, people that are still alive that were either there for the original movie happening or, you know, that maybe knew somebody that knew people during the murders and shit like that. So, like, that part's rad, like, for sure. I've always been interested in this because I am... big old Zodiac Killer nerd. And those murders being unsolved. And a lot of people theorized that the Texarkana Phantom Killer, Phantom Slayer, whatever you want to call him,

Moved away and came out here to California. And just upped his game and it got way cooler. His game is very similar. The game is almost the same. That's why a lot of people think that. He was leaving clues and shit back in Texarkana? Well, I mean, just like he wasn't contacting cops. That's all. That was definitely like our, you know, Zodiac. Like it's my buddy. To our area. Yeah. But the MO of the killings themselves focusing on kids in the lover's lanes.

um wearing a hood yeah like wearing a costume essentially like you know for and and then survivors being able to witness that costume because like it's weird that like you've been killing people and then you do happen to leave people alive that have seen your costume. Cause that's the only way that it becomes iconic and like terrifying. Right. Otherwise you're, if you're not like why you were in a costume, if you're just going to know, you're going to.

you know, smirk these people. Well, cause you don't want them to know your identity of the getaway. Yeah, no, but like for the most, for the fashion. Yeah, no, yeah, for sure. Although sometimes it's like very like weird, you know, like the fashion part of it for Zodiac was definitely a little more weirder than like,

This is just like almost an executioner's hood or something, you know? It's literally just a sack. Yeah, it's like, what, Jay... Jason Voorhees 2, yeah. Yeah, well, I think it came out after this movie. After the original movie. I think it kind of was biting that a little bit. And I do think that this is, I mean, I don't want to like, this movie has nothing to do with race, but like, the... Hood?

born by the killer in the 40s had to somewhat be influenced by the hoods of the clan i think it seemed like you know made the same way just take a fucking sheet and cut some holes in it and put over your dumb oaky head right yeah you were saying yeah you know it's texarcana like come on over your stupid

It might have just been a tucked in clan hood who we don't know, you know, like it might've just been like folded down. Yeah. It just, it just feels like it's a grain bag or something. That was basically. That was your basic bag. It was a fucking pillowcase. Yeah. And it was a sleepy drool on it. I like it. Like there's one of those scenes where it's kind of splattered with blood. It looks, it's fucking terrifying. It looks scary.

It works. Gets the job done. It works real well. Yeah. Yeah. I think it worked in this. It worked in the 76 version. It works in Friday the 13th part two. Always bag head. Bag head. Yes. Yeah. Were you guys surprised at how fucking brutal these killings were? In this movie? Yeah. They're pretty brutal, I thought.

Yeah, they're really brutal. Like the stabbing of the initial guy, our initial Carrie, is that his name? Corey? Corey. Yeah, our initial love interest. That guy's such an odd-looking character. Yeah, he kind of looks like... The dude from the Cher mask movie, but if he got on swollen. Rocky Dennis swole down? Yeah, like if Rocky Dennis took an allergy pill or something.

He's a very cool looking guy, and I've seen him in tons of other stuff. I just couldn't tell you what. Yeah. I think he's kind of doofy. He's a little doofy, but he's also kind of dreamy at the same time. Yeah. Because he's a football star, and he's got the hair. Yeah, and he seems like a good old boy. Seems like a nice kid. Poor guy gets shmerked up and stabbed 300 times.

I love that she had to turn away and she got to only see the silhouette of it in the lights. I thought that was great. And then she takes off into the woods. It's a stylish movie. It's super stylish. It might even be too stylish.

stylish it might work against it yeah there's a there's a few scenes where it kind of took me out by how stylish they were shot it was like jarring especially like the first one has been so like documentary style you know made it feel so real in a way and this one really like oh this is

full-blown fantasy. It's a screen movie. It's so stylish. It's a screen movie. It's very much a screen movie. We're seeing nightmare sequences and all this fucking silliness. Because notoriously, it's a story that never gets solved. And you know about halfway through, you're like, they're going to fucking... It's a whodunit. They're going to figure out who did that. That doesn't fucking it didn't work.

I think the whole whodunit aspect of this one is garbage. Did you figure it out? Oh, easy. Yeah? Easy. But like both of them? No, but the main one, definitely. I mean, the cop for sure. It was so easy. When did you guys get the cop? When he said,

I'll do it. There you go. And then if you didn't know from that, the very next scene with him, he's like, oh yeah, everyone in this town has a little blood on their hands. Like, oh my God, that's the fucking killer. Yeah. Done. Done. Your spacey friend over here, Josh, didn't get it.

But I was thinking that that kid in the beginning was too big a star to have disappear fully. And then when he came back, I'm like, it might be him. How would that even work? I don't think he was a star back then, bud.

But I just think that he's got the star quality. I don't think he's a star now either. For this movie, I was like, he can't be gone. But then when he came after the girl fucks the clerk... finally and then she has that dream that he's like alive going away i was like okay there it is there's our send-off of this character i knew he wasn't gone he had to come back somehow right but then when he actually fucking came back in the end i was like oh you motherfuckers we're jumping ahead a little

bit but that's fine like the two killer thing is very arbitrary it doesn't work it doesn't make any sense i don't know the movie doesn't feel like it's really set up for like a whodunit anyways you know because the original story like the true story

We don't know who the killer is. The original movie, we don't know who the killer is. It's not really set up to be like, scream, like, oh, let's all figure out who it is, you know? And then the big reveal. And there's like no sequences within the movie where people are really, I don't know, like...

No one's really accounted for at any time, you know? So everyone's just like on their own. Yeah. So it's wide open. It's no, it's, I don't know. Yeah. It doesn't really work. They're not really throwing too many red herrings at you. I mean, the lame boyfriend guy, they kind of setting him up, but. Well, they're setting him up and they're all.

It doesn't need the killers. I would have been perfectly happy without having any reveal. With her just leaving town and then just being done. Fine. Just like the other shit. It's unsolved. I think that... would be the better way to go. But we live in this, like, Scream era where we have to show the reveal. I think that was a mistake. I think this movie was pretty good until that. Yeah. Until the end. The weird part is that they say, like, these guys had no connection whatsoever.

like yeah just like what a cop out why like just say they were randomly connected somehow because otherwise how the fuck did these two weirdos find each other yeah they do that and scream they'll just have like some little bit of die like oh we found each other on a killer's chat room

Okay, fine, whatever. Yeah, like, whatever, that helps. This is like, yeah, we don't know. We didn't figure it out either. Yeah, like, oh, is that a garage sale? What a cheap way to do that then. Like, oh, we set you up. You thought he was dead. And also, there's no reason for these guys to be together. Psych. I can't believe you didn't figure it out, dummies. We were in Bed Bath & Beyond reaching for the same pillowcase and our hands touched.

Realize that we have the same mission. Yeah, exactly. Hey, are you? We were each cutting eyes out of the same pillowcase. I looked over and he cut out the left eye, I cut out the right eye. We started kissing. I put the mask on and smooshed him.

It's stupid. It's dumb. Yeah, it was horrible. It's definitely like... It's stupid, it's dumb, it's horrible. It's Jeff over at midnight. Put it on the... Yeah, but up until then, I was actually quite enjoying the movie for the most part. The scene where... Because you...

see this kid earlier in the movie kind of walk past the the camera and you're kind of like oh that's a weird looking kid or whatever and then later on you see him again past the long hair blonde kid yeah they're going to the vigil yeah they lingered on him and the kid's wearing the shirt well what's up he's wearing this shirt from the movie original movie so then like we see the killer we see the phantom

walking into the crowd of the vigil. And I was just like, the balls on this motherfucker. Like I was like, I thought it was like actual, I was like totally hook, line and sinker for that part. That one I'm like, there is no way. I was like, yeah. What was that kid's plan? You must have known you were going to get shot. He's like a suicidal kid. He loves to know it and everything. It's so dumb. And then he didn't even die.

It's so dumb. I hate that. And then while he's in the hospital... there are like more people more people get killed so like oh well dog you didn't plan this at all yeah oh what a red herring that was for the audience and the other one is the filmmaker's kid or is it the grandkid he's the no the it's a it's a filmmaker director's son director's son

is like invites them out to his what you think is a mobile home but is actually a mobile boat love it in the middle of a field which is great like a fucking dirt farm what is he growing out of those hills of dirt we see that guy we see him throughout the movie before and he's always doing weird shit so you're a

are like is this the fucking killer so that's he's a red herring number three or whatever i didn't buy that for a second that he was red herring or the boyfriend too scrawny compared to like we're showing the killer and they're showing his body and they're showing him fucking lifting people up with a knife and shit and like then all of a sudden although

When the killers are revealed too, that doesn't make sense either. Even if you're a footballer, you're not going to fucking pick up a man and cut his whole head off.

on the stairs of a hotel room before anybody notices. This is that scream thing where once you're in the mask and in the suit, you get superhuman strength and all these abilities you don't normally have. You have slasher powers. The guy playing the man in the suit is a different dude than both the actors that were revealed as the killers. Right. Typical screamer.

So you can't tell who the real killer is by looking at their height or their shoulder length or whatever. But slasher powers seem to be a real thing in literature these days, especially since... the slasher, the idea of a slasher is, is becoming more like it is now supernatural in a way that everything else is like, I've read a couple other books and a couple.

books by the same author i know i mentioned i read i was a teenage slasher by stephen graham jones and i read another one recently that is another one about final girls and slashers i'm like jesus christ this dude writes too many books about the same fucking shit but that is it like when you see this guy

He's walking faster than you can run. He walks regular speed in front of you at the same time. Yeah. And he will catch up to you even if you're hauling full balls. Yeah. Although he's just wandering. It does make sense that you're getting cut off by the dude when there's two.

That does make more sense. Right. Yeah. So you start running. They teleport. Right. That's how Jason would teleport. The kids in the signs, a graveyard. I was like, there's no way. We just saw him over here. And then this guy's running over here. And then all of a sudden he's like, boop. Yeah. Fully scream. Full scream. Yeah, exactly. But as far as the powers are concerned, or the strength, like...

going back to the true crime aspect of like serial killers and things like that, like, Oh, there is a lot of stories of serial killers and the crimes that they've committed, the murders they've committed and like doing things that it's almost like the mom lifting the bus off the kid. Like they're so fucking pumped full of adrenaline.

I don't know. They're just ready to fucking tear off heads and shit. You can do stuff, I guess, but it's still hard to believe. It's just crazy how killers could just...

They could get away with fucking anything back in the 70s, you know? It was like the end of an era, the 80s. Even the 40s, you're like, of course they did in the 40s. You could just do anything. Yeah, you could do whatever you want. Yeah, just go home. Yeah, wash off, go home. There's no fingerprints. Yeah, what are they going to do? They don't know. Yeah.

If you look like just a typical guy at home, you're fine. Yeah, there was like the original murders, like one of the suspects was like some dudes whose tire tracks. Because they were a very unique truck or whatever were parked across the street from where one of the bodies was found. And then come to find out, they asked him. He failed a polygraph. So they're like, oh, we got him. They hypnotized.

this dude and he ends up confessing to, he had pulled over to take a whiz after he just got done fucking a married lady he was having an affair with. So that was his whole thing. Like he was just trying to cover up the fact that he was having an affair.

And that was his whole reason for even pulling over in the spot next to the fucking where the body was found and all this shit. It just happened. I'm trying to have one of them whizzes where the urine goes out in four directions because I was just banging some guy. Yeah. Destroying evidence. I'm trying to have one of them posts. coital whiz-wazzes that looks like a sprinkler. DNA everywhere. Every kind. Do you guys remember those sprinklers in your kids that had all the hair? Yeah.

Look like a stupid head to it. That's how you pee when you're thinking. I need to clean my bathroom now. That's why he did it outside. Instead of going home to pee.

Yeah. Like for sure. But I was surprised that like, I thought I was like really, I hadn't watched the remake at all or even cared because I was just like, this is going to be such a like scream, just like wannabe like bullshit. And like, it was actually like, It ended, and I was like, I didn't even, like, look at the clock. Like, I was in it.

Yeah. It's a high quality movie. It's got its own issues where I'm like, it's my, there's this couple of scenes where they're like outside the new boyfriend and her outside. I'm like, are they about to get beamed into a UFO? Yeah. Yeah.

is so weird yeah yeah a lot of it was very like the lighting a lot of these shots were very like weird like they were using some weird like rainbow filter anamorphic lenses that were kind of almost or like like not wide angle but almost like fisheye they were doing weird and like sweet

like over somebody's head but it was a fish eye and we're just like what is this yeah weird and the rainbow filter and all the lights was a little much yeah it kept happening i was like that's they could have brought the style down a little bit yeah there's one scene where they're talking at sunset at the magic hour and you know it's

but they pull it back. You're like, that's definitely a light of orange light behind them. Not the magic hour, but it's still gorgeous. It still looks really good. I mean, it is a town that's dreading sundown. You got to like pull a couple of sundowns, right? A little sundown. Yeah.

I would like to see the town dread it a little bit more. Yeah, they weren't really dreading it too much. God, this damn sundown. This darn sundown. This fucking sundown. Every damn day. Yeah, like... I always hate in movies where there's like a, like a serial killer in a town and.

People are kind of afraid, but really they, they don't really stop doing all of their normal shit. Any of it. Or they get even worse where they like, we're like, I'm going to sneak around more where people don't know where I'm at in the dark and all these places where I'm like, God, I got to sneak past the cop protecting me up front because I got it.

meet up with some bro some rando why yeah what are you doing which is funny though like knowing now that he actually just drove down the street and killed him right right yeah because we see him driving back on the when they're leaving or whatever that guy got fucking cut and shuffled too I was like holy shit like the original fucking last victim or whatever

that was a good i liked it because i hated that character we all want to see him go right right guys what did you say sorry oh no that was that he was just like he was like my cat leaves gophers like that for me

Head here, rest of the body over here, hands here. Jesus, how long did it take to set this thing up for me? Give me your knife, Kat. Why don't you like that character? Do you like him as an actor? I just like the character. as it seemed.

forced it just was forced red herring that i didn't because he's like brooding like kind of weird and my mom's in the hospital and all this fucking bullshit and also i'm being kind of creepy right now for no reason we were in the same class you never noticed me there's a shot of the grandma staring at us through the fucking window like i'm a suspect i've always wanted to talk to you but i didn't think i oh i'm from texas too

Nothing against people from Texas. And the fact he was maybe the only guy I believe was from Texas. And it's fine. We can talk shit. This is Texarkana, so they're split. It's all good. That town, like, you have two mayors, two deputies, two fucking janitors, two fucking donut salesmen. Like, what the fuck? Just make it two towns. Split it up. Like, why?

Just make one Tex and the other one Arcana. Yeah, well, one is Tex and the other one is Arcana, right? There's two states one town. They specify which side it was on. I'm like, that's weird. Yeah, and the weird town hall meeting and you got both mayors there. It seems a little... Sort your shit out. I think they like it. You think so? Look at ours. There's some dipshit that lives on the line. He's like, look.

Text. I'm pissing in your seat. Text. I just fucked my wife. I'm going to spray pitties all over both cities. Everyone has to do like half the work, right? Because you got... One side doing half of it and this side doing the other half. You'd think that one person could probably handle it. I think so. One mayor would probably work just fine. Is it really that much work for mayoring in Texarkana? Like you have the Texas Rangers on one side and the other cops on the other side.

and they're like always meeting at the border. Like, you're in the same town. You guys are being dumb. How do you split up the jurisdiction there?

It seems fucking stupid. But it is a real thing. It's a real town. The guy that got fucking cut and shuffled, he's like, oh, half of this is on the Arcana side. This is Arkansas. Yeah. What I know of Tex Arcana is literally... stretches radio station from texas chainsaw part two that was that was fucking a texarcana yeah sick but like what so i don't know we haven't talked at all about the crazy fucking cast oh well i was gonna say we hadn't mentioned addison

Timlin. Yeah. So Timlin, who's that now? What? No, no, no, no. I don't know the name, but is that the guy from last one? She's the main girl. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, she...

The guy from Lost Boys, though. Come on. What's that? The guy from Lost Boys. Max from Lost Boys. Oh, I know. He's the preacher. He's the preacher. Fucking bullshit. I hate that guy. You hate that guy? I was so stoked to see that guy. He did pretty good. I hate him in Lost Boys, and I hate him in this. Oh, I don't hate him. You don't like him? when he sticks a tongue out in Lost Boys when he finally reveals that he's vamp? No. Spoiler alert.

I haven't seen that dude in anything in ages. I was like, oh shit, here we are. I saw him from a mile away. As soon as I saw his face from a distance, I'm like, oh, that's Max from Lost Boys. How about that shit? I like him. I like him in this. I like that he fucking was sending an email because he's a bitch.

as Christian... creature that's like trying to stir shit up and it was like sent an email from the phantom killer total dickhead yeah okay who else though red herring yeah right grandma yeah that's great love her to death what is she i know she's she was in she's the bird she's an alien which is

of eastwick aliens what i'm thinking she was in alien yeah the original alien she was in which is like i mentioned she was in one of my favorite movies of all time and i know i've said it over the last 13 years probably 10 times and i'll say it again it's going south If you haven't seen a movie called Going South It's directed by Jack Nicholson Starring Jack Nicholson John Belushi Christopher Lloyd

Ed Begley Jr., Mary Steenburgen, Veronica Cartwright, Danny DeVito. It's a Western. Stacked. Have you really mentioned it a bunch? No, he's mentioned it. How do I not know that movie still? It's one of my favorites. Yeah, he's mentioned it. It's one of those movies when our rich friends lent us

a VCR they lent us Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke they lent us this movie and Catch a Rising Star the comedy series like the best of and I was like I watched those three movies over and over and over and going south is truly a great movie right on

And it's Jack Nicholson's only directed a few and it's the first one. Yeah. She's great. She is definitely like great. You see her and you're automatically like, Oh, like you guys are bringing in like genre actors and like for sure, you know? Yeah. Cause.

I don't know. I feel like you're going to do that if you're remaking horror movies nowadays. You're going to bring people from all these other genre movies and stuff back. It didn't happen so much then, you know, when these initially started doing all these remakes. Yeah, we're on the Friday 13th era, Texas Chainsaw remake era.

Tell me, when the three cops first show up in her hospital room after she got away, and they show fucking homeboy from Office Space. Gary Cole, yeah. I was like, I don't, it sucks for him. I understand that. It really sucks for him. But like that guy is either the boss from office space.

Or the dad from the Brady Bunch. Ricky Bobby's dad? Oh, he's Ricky Bobby's dad, too. Yeah, Ricky Bobby's dad, too. I cannot take him seriously, though. Let's just say that. He's a comedy actor. Yeah, let's just say, if you're trying to play a serious police officer, nope.

Forget about it. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I feel like... Same way about that Lone Wolf fucking guy too. He's always a comedy actor. Anthony Anderson? Yeah. Remember he was in fucking... What's the movie? Me, Myself, and Irene. Yeah, he's one of the kids. He's in... Scream 4, and all of his dialogue is comedy. Yeah. All these comedy actors end up in these horror movies, and it's hard to take them seriously in a lot of ways. Ed Lauder's another one who played... He's been in everything, but...

Something I remember that we did, he was in Magic. You remember the movie Magic with Anthony Hopkins? Yeah, yeah. And is it not Vanessa Redgrave, but Anne Margaret? And he's like... he's like oh yeah you ended up marrying duke does duke still look like james dean and then cussed to this bald-headed fucking goon and you're like oh god yeah he starts because she starts crying as soon as he asks

he always plays like a shitty dad or a shitty cop or a shitty fucking boss like there's only like he I can take more way more seriously even though he's goof but he's a good actor but Gary like I'm like

It's hard to see Gary Cole. Do you like seeing the Ricky Bobby's dad getting a full beach for five minutes? And get a fucking eye blasted off. Like when you get shot, I didn't expect that. That was kind of great. Didn't expect it. I was so enthralled with the blow job. I wasn't even thinking.

I think they're going to show it. I think I'm going to see it. I'm going to see this shit. Yeah. Was that Bleach on the Tex or the Arcana side of the road? It's illegal after 10 p.m. in Tex, so it must have been Arcana. yeah like i was just like i i was like almost laughed when he got shot and i'm like this is a serious ass blast in the fucking face of this guy and i almost laughed the fucking phantom outside of the window he's like a goof yeah Come on.

What's gnarly, though, is the original murders. They were all, like, outside, but one of the ones was like that, where he's shooting through the windows of this fucking farmhouse. Amazing. All these murders are recreated from the original. Oh, yeah, there's the tromboner. The trombone one. The trombone was only in there.

original movie it wasn't in the original murders i don't believe that was original murder yeah i don't think i don't know it's definitely the iconic kill in the movie yeah how fucking goof and really you got to be that goofy to kill somebody again that way like That's pretty stupid. At least play the thing.

Give me a fucking note. Yeah, dude. Don't just go... Play the dude taps if you're going to fucking kill him. Do some fucking... Yeah, jazz it up. Ow. Ow. I like that I've seen Gary Cole in this movie reminded me I was like what did I just see Gary Cole in that was so fucking old and it was that amazing um

Twilight's an episode that you and me love so much about the woman who's in like... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Wes Craven directed. Wes Craven directed and it's got that guy and it's so good. Yeah, it's about like a hologram program. Hologram woman who's like... She's like... Aging rapidly. It's like a soul of a woman. It's fucking the best. Gary Cole as a really young man is in it and it took me for like...

till the end of the episode to realize that who he was. I'm like, Oh fuck, that's Alpha Space guy. It's the best episode. Even like him and Pineapple Express. I just can't. You can't with him. I can't. He's too funny. Yeah. And I'm happy to laugh at him. I cannot like that. That was what? Like five minutes into the movie. And I was like, what? I like completely taken out every time they would show him because he was also the one that was a red herring. And he's like,

throwing stuff back and forth. He knew all the details about the murders. He knew everything. More red hair. He was eating and didn't really care about that girl's... Yeah, just hot-pocketing every scene. I'm like, dude, you've got to leave, man. I'm quoting Pineapple Express as I'm watching you get shot in the face in a blowjob. Like, straight up. Dude, the chick that was blowing him, though, her crawl...

through the fucking cornfield or whatever. That's great. So great. I did yelp when she got scared by the scarecrow. It fully got me. How the fuck did that get me? That's great. I almost woke my family up.

Because the scarecrow has the fucking same mask. I thought that was a brilliant scene. I really like that. When they have the shot from above, we can kind of see the trail of where she's going and where he's going. I'm like, oh, this is awesome. I'm like, you dumb bee, you're fucking, just be quiet. You're good. Just hide.

He came right for you, ass. And then, yeah, they tied her up. You know, classic. Classic slasher shit. You're on the thing in the morning where the guy comes out and is like looking at his scarecrow. I love that. That was great. And then a nice transition right to that.

making of the movie shot i was like this is sick super cool yeah i yeah i like them watching the actual fucking movie yeah yeah just like the cops just like oh what happens next okay well shit right the director from that original movie too is in this movie

movie is he right he's a diner patron or something yeah that's awesome i think it's great that's fun i really dig all that i like i love a meta horror movie i really do that's a genre i dig me too i didn't expect them to be playing the movie the original movie in this

or even acknowledge it, I thought it was just going to be a straight reboot, like remake. Right, because that was the thing at that time. Just a hard reset. Yeah, so I'm like, okay, I don't care because I'd rather watch the original first, even if it's goofy because it's 70s. But this actually, they did it the right way. In 2013, surprisingly. Is this after Scream 4 or before? I bet after. It's 2014, yeah.

13, I believe. Yeah, 13. 14? It says 14 on YouTube. Okay. I mean, you see the poster 10 times in the movie. You see poster in different languages. 2011 was Scream 4. So they already kind of broke the remake thing with that one. Yeah. If they pulled details from there to make it better, that's great because it does end up being a decent, with the exception of the big reveal at the end, which was unnecessary, they could have like...

It would have been even cooler if you didn't see that it was the cop, but you saw that one of the guys was the kid, and they just shot the guy. Dude, that would be sick. You just don't know who that main killer is. You don't know who the main guy was, and he just gets away. They should have listed a mystery. I think that's more intriguing.

Nobody does that anymore, though. And that's scary about that first movie. You think he's still out there, you know? Right. And the true story is he's still out there. I think that's scarier. Yeah, and that's why the beginning of this movie is really scary because you're like, oh, fuck, he's come back.

Everyone thinks he's come back, even though he would be fucking old as fuck. They're talking about him being the boogeyman and supernatural. When Veronica Cartwright drops that... line they say he's the boogeyman you can't catch the boogeyman does dad's the devil and his mother's a whore jesus christ they sound tight yeah they sound cool like cool it rude I want to hang out with them. Was my dad the... No, wait. Because my mom's most assuredly a whore.

Don't you take that out of context. I was really surprised. Cause I, I, I,

Will had been like, yeah, I want you guys to do the 2014 one. And I was like, oh, really? I was like, shit, we should kind of need to watch that first one first, I think, but not really. I almost actually did a real weird reverse last night where after I watched the first one, turned on.

The original one? Yeah. And started to go there, and I was like, I don't want to have this influence me talking about this one. And it's already happened, because it's already in the movie enough that we're already there. I feel like it would have really fucked me up. It's got like a Night of the Demon or like a Boggy Creek kind of vibe where it's like when they do the documentary style where there's a voiceover and it's talking about actual events and it's showing, but it's all recreation.

footage like the original is it's funny and it's also scary in a way it's like this actually happened it's like there's a couple other movies like that that you Because they didn't have Unsolved Mysteries in the 70s. That didn't pop up until the late 80s. So there are a hell of movies that are just essentially Unsolved Mysteries. Some of them were award-winning. Some actually got people out of jail. Yeah. Like Thin Blue Line is one that Errol...

morris did when he it came this was like a cop thing about a cop a guy that pulled over that kills him killed a cop yeah and then they do all these interviews and he interviews a bunch of people interviews a guy in jail and it turns out during the course of the movie that he gets the killer to actually confess like somewhat to confess that it's somebody else who did it or a guy i think it's a guy who's not in jail to confess that he did it

Just out of the sheer pressure of being interviewed. Right. To release the guy. Release the man in jail and put another guy in jail. This is a movie that came out and is independent. So like those are your unsolved mysteries. And this is just essentially an unsolved mysteries. Yeah. 1976. The only way they could do it. I hate that like there came a point.

though where they're like no we have to reveal everything there has to be an explanation there has to be a reason there has to be an unmasking there has to be you know all this bullshit and I'm like and the reasoning is weak whatever happened to like leaving things like a mystery and also not maybe even returning with a sequel. That's also fine. Yeah. I miss that.

Like one and done. Yeah. Like I, I, I appreciate if you serve something up to me where I am, I'm left thinking like, Oh fuck, well, who the fuck was it then? I mean, Zodiac is a really perfect example of that. And the original Texarkana murders, although they, they're pretty sure they know who that dude is, but like.

with zodiac there's a million suspects everyone has a theory everyone has all you know like hasn't it recently come to light they think they know who it might be in uh many many times yeah it's always but it was like really popular recently very recently it has because people wife or whatever

There was a person that was like, my dad was the Zodiac Killer. And they did a whole thing. They had that thing, the Zodiac Speaks thing that came to the doc that happened, which is amazing. And then kind of turns everything back on to Arthur Lee Allen again. not to get to, I'm going to not go fully deep dive Zodiac, but like, in my opinion, which is interesting about this movie is I believe that the Zodiac killer was at least two people. Oh yeah. You think so? Yeah.

There's a lot of reasons why. There's a lot of proof, actually, factual things that have happened to kind of at least back up that theory more than just pinning it on one dude, Arthur Lee Allen or whoever. But the Zodiac thing is very near and dear because it's weird that the main suspect, especially from the Zodiac Fincher movie, all that stuff, the main suspect, Arthur Leown, lived in Santa Rosa right down the fucking street from here.

Right. Like lived in a mobile home park right down the street. You can go drive there. Like that's fascinating. The hitchhiker murders, which are, which are still unsolved in Santa Rosa, which there was a whole doc about that recently too, which is fascinating. Uh, that shit.

is insane and also potentially linked to Zodiac. And then, yeah, the fact that the Texarkana stuff was never originally solved either. And there could be... possibility that that was actually really two people also so like you know but the fact of the matter like they think they think they actually did get the guy but he wasn't actually put in

prison for the murders he got caught for something else other stuff for car theft but like he was like a serial car thief and they were able to kind of get him that way and the murders did cease after he went to prison so Which they kind of said in this movie too. Exactly. Totally. So like, you know, but all this is fascinating. It's like real life shit and stuff. And like, I mean, I could geek out on theories.

all night long about all this shit like whether it's true or not we'll never know jack the ripper who you know like we'll never fucking know there's all these things but like There's something to me very scary and fascinating when they don't find the killer. And then he's stopped, you know? Right. That would have been in keeping with the... This movie and the actual murders, I think they shouldn't have revealed the killers and...

killed them and then had it stop i feel like it could have been they could have to stop but they don't have to like it was a mistake don't give it away yeah mistake on this movie because she could have gone to california and the whole thing because she's being followed in california at the very end of the movie it's like a scream movie I don't like that you can leave Texarkana. Don't do that. Of course, obviously, serial killers travel. Jason Voorhees left to go to the big city.

He wanted some coffee. He wanted the world's best piece of pizza. Yeah. I would have been happy with her like leaving, changing her name, moving somewhere else. And then like that would just be it for her. It's called, yeah. He's still out there somewhere. I prefer that. the reveal sucked. It was unnecessary and it just doesn't, it doesn't, yeah, like, Josh, it doesn't keep with the original movie or anything. It just, unnecessary. I mean, with her,

her grandmother getting shot, like all her and all her boyfriends and everybody's dead. All her ties to that town are done. She could easily change her name. and move somewhere which you can easily tell who's gonna die in this movie because they start talking about their future and you're like immediately they die I can't wait to go to college oh wow I'm gonna fucking move out of Texas who would have thought I can't believe I'm about to get out of this town blam

Or like, I'm going to come visit you. Yeah, sure. I love it. It's easy. No one talk about what you're doing tomorrow. No one discuss any plans. You have no future. You're not allowed to think about tomorrow until you wake up tomorrow. That's it.

totally gonna live forever i did love like so those people are fucking in the hotel which again nice scene you know had the windows open Motherfucking. The curtain just wide open. Hey, share it with the world. Share it with the world. But then also him just slamming her boyfriend's head through the window. That was wild. That was pretty nice. That's a good jump scare. If you're going to do a jump scare, that's not a bad way.

Oh, and man, her fucking leg breaking when she jumps down. My skateboard legs are not having that. If you're going to get in the car and you're going to like... Scott free. And you're starting the car. Lock the doors. First thing, right? Lock the doors. He'll break the window just as quick, but like. Not just as quick as opening the door. Yeah. Apparently it took three hits with a head to get through a regular plate glass. Isn't it funny though? Like.

Even in 2014, if you live in Texarkana, you have an ancient car with a fucking... Like not automatic locks, roll down windows. Oh, well your husband's from the forties. You're from the seventies. It's 2014. Yeah. The time doesn't exist. It has just one of those big ass, even though it's like a giant hole for your key and you're still like, Oh God.

Yeah. Wiggly. She's trying to hit the clutch with her foot and her foot's bending all along because her fucking matchsticks broke. Yow. Yow. Yowzers. Fucking gnarly. And I'm pretty sure that was all CG.

wasn't it maybe it wasn't 2013 no i think it was practical yeah the blood in the car getting sprayed everywhere no that's cg but like her ankle would break it was definitely yeah yeah but like when he starts stabbing her and it looks like someone put a fucking that same uh sprinkler the hair and the car with blood yeah but i i did appreciate the frenzied yeah stab sessions you know like that's very realistic to like crazy serial murder but no one's got

Truly no one has that much blood. No one's got that many arterial veins to shoot, to fill a whole back window of an old nova. The initial hit of those arteries, you would get a big blast. But it's not going to keep pumping. I mean, maybe for a little bit. It's not going to sprinkle all the way back windows and all the shit. Maybe she had three necks. Maybe.

Plus, she was already bleeding out the ankle, too. It might have been her period as well. You don't know. You don't know where the blood's coming from. He's just stabbing a tampon. He's just squishing it. It's on the end of a knife. Ah, that's horrible. He's using like a paintbrush in the back window. Paint roller. Yeah, it is weird though. Like they were kind of weird period.

looking characters. I think it's because it's just like a backwoods kind of town. They haven't progressed since the 70s. They're always like 20 years behind where they need to be. It might be 2013 in Texas and 1976 in Arkansas. saw, but it's 1945 in Texarkana. It just hasn't caught up yet. Give it a little time. They got two people on the job. Don't worry. It's like when your birthday's on the leap year and you're like, I'm only 12.

Will, I appreciate you picking it. I'm definitely curious to hear why you picked it. Yeah. But I think that we all liked it. I did like it. For the most part, I liked it. I very much enjoyed it. I think it's a very interesting take on a sequel. Super entertaining sequel. And I love all the film within the film shit. I love seeing the Marshall or whatever it is, the Andy Anderson. or Anthony Anderson playing the VHS in a fucking old school TV and VCR. Yeah. They just biffed it in that end.

Yeah, Biffy goes to the cop. Yeah, it was interesting when he shot Corey. I was like, oh, fuck. I knew that was coming. It was either she going to shoot him or he's going to shoot him. I'm like, he's, he's, he's, he's ramping up with the speech is getting heated. And I can't believe I'll be able to say that I was the blammo because I'm going to live till yet. Cause I, my future is good.

I was trying to figure it out. Cause I was like, okay, like, yes, it's probably Arthur McQueen who is the last known victim supposedly, but they never really like let people. know about. Or his grandkid, right? Yeah, it was his...

Yeah, that guy's son's son. But I thought that this guy, Corey, was actually this cop's son also. So I was like, he wouldn't kill him. Because he said, take the mask off, boy. Yeah, so I just assumed they were related and it was just his kid. That would have been crazier. If he was like, that's my son, I'm just going to...

laughs yeah whatever yeah that's like i mean you know that's gnarly but oh they're just two random fucking people okay whatever who cares then yeah who cares about this whole situation especially like as the being the cop and you kill these two last people and it looks like the killer's right there you To keep being the cop. That's how Scooby-Doo ends.

Scooby-Doo it! Scooby-Doo's on in the 70s. You guys got it. Come on, you know. It's still on right now. It's still the 70s. It's just showing. The first episodes. It's just premiering in Texarkana. Yeah. Yeah. They would have got out of this town, too, if it wasn't for you to... Killers for you two knuckleheads. Oh, God. But this damn sundown, you know? I just fucking dread it. The meddling sundown. You take the hood off and it's the sun.

Oh, fuck me. God damn it. I knew it was the sun. I knew it the whole time. I fucking dreaded it the whole movie. I dreaded it for an hour and a half. I want to get the DVD or the Blu-ray to see if there might be a 45-minute scene of just Gary Cole's face getting a blowjob.

I love that quivering lip. You see that shit? He's reaching, he's smiling, he's frowning, he's like, ooh, fuck, ooh, get it. Have you guys ever taken a sip or done some other activity while getting a beach? Red Herring, he reaches for the gun. Scoots the gun, grabs the beer. He pulls the gun closer. Yeah. Might need that. I almost thought halfway they were going to do like red bearing, red bearing, red herring. No. Red herring. No. And then red. Nope. And then.

And he shoots his own dick off through a woman's head. No, I thought he was like, he pulls the gun closer, drinks, then I thought he was going to grab the gun and shoot her. Then shoot, yeah. Double fucking gotcha. But of course, his dick's in her mouth. He would have shot his dick off. But still, have you guys ever done that?

Just like taking a drink or like had a little bite to eat while you're getting a fucking done anything other than pay attention to what the fuck is going on. Are you kidding me? Who's got the time? Oh, driving, I guess. Who's got the time to pay attention to the road? I have a certain focus. Ford focus, in fact. I get beaches in all the time. I want to see Josh driving a Ford focus. You're getting a fucking beach. Drinking a beer. You know what?

I can oblige shit. I'm old enough to rent a car. We can make this happen. Imagine how cheap it would be to rent a Ford Focus. Oh my god. You can keep this. Keep this shit. Please, no one wants this car. It would cost more money for the blowjob. Which one of you guys are going to give me the blowjob? I told you last episode, $35.

We got it. It's cheaper than the car. It's cheaper than the Patreon pick. I'll just get two seats, set them side by side. We'll say it's a Ford Focus. Use CGI in a Ford Focus after the fact. Do it in post.

He's just chilling, man. He's having a good one. He's drinking. Yeah, you got to get a little drink. You're almost there. Liquid in, liquid out. I'm enjoying this even more because I'm drunk. I'm making all these wild faces because I've had a couple cocktails. I might as well keep this drunk going a little fresh. One more sip. I feel it.

waning. He's just like, oh. Oh. Lip quiver. Was there any... I didn't hear any noise. Was he noisin'? Yeah, he was noisin'. Maybe I had the volume down. What? He's like... I'm going to need you to come in on the weekend, okay? Great. Yeah. Great. His blowjob is great. Wait, isn't that in the movie office space? Isn't he fucking in the movie office space?

office basically it's the same he's thinking about it yeah holy shit god he's so good gary cole's a goddamn icon just for the just for the record because i talked a lot of shit about him about 20 minutes ago yeah I love him as an actor. He's a great fucking actor. I love him as a comedy actor. As a comedy actor. As a regular actor. I don't want him... I cannot have him being serious, but if he's a...

Acting a fool, I'm in 100%. Oh, and he was. He was eating fucking oatmeal or whatever while he's talking to that chick. Yeah, that was stealing the scene. Flipping this tie over. Doing too much. I like the tie over the neck move. You're doing too much. It's such a dorky move. He was...

fucking donald pleasant scene yeah but he's he's goodness he's i mean he's he's goodness he's but it's so hard to like take it seriously i was actually glad when he was got shot because i was like okay finally i can watch this movie go go go let's get some okay let's get some serious shit Yeah, because there's too many serious ass murders and then goofy ass people parading around them.

So it's like, even that guy, Max from fucking Lost Boys, he's always a goof. Totally. He's always in comedy. There's a lot of goofs in there. Yeah, he's a goof too. It's a weird choice. It might actually be a troop of goofs. It's a goof troop. Sorry, Brian, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I wanted to say, this is the actual goof troop. Anthony Anderson, Gary Cole, fucking Max from the Lost Boys. That is a goof troop.

With an E on the end. Yeah. There's more goofs than we're even mentioning. There's a plethora of goofs in this movie. There's so many. Even though the smaller characters are fucking goof town. The guy who's the son of the...

director, you know? Yeah. He's been in a ton of shit. I couldn't place him. I couldn't find him. What else is he in? I know him from so much shit. I want to say he's been in American Horror Story. Yeah, for sure. Oh, definitely. He plays the half burn face guy. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Where's his name? I'm trying to find him. Which this director worked on American Horror Story, so that makes total sense. Oh, that he was just like, yeah. He might have even directed those ones, right? Probably, yeah. Yeah, what's that guy's fucking name? Dennis O'Hare. I like him. I think he's great, but he's always like that weird character actor. He's just...

Sure. He just pops up as some fucking weirdo. He's in your Garden State movie, don't you? Yeah, he was in Garden State. He was in multiple American Horror Stories, American Gods. Tons of shit, yeah. But yeah, I think he's great. I think he's like... funky and kind of odd i really like dig his kind of weirdness and like sure yeah uh i like that they're at his house and his house is literally

like plastered with shit from this. How fucking awesome. Yeah. The mask and all the shit. Like she's like, Oh fuck. He's got mugs and posters. He's got the mask. Yeah. He has the mask. Like, and it's crazy to think, cause like that original director was from Texarkana. It's just wild to be like, oh, I'm just going to make this movie. Was he from Texarkana or just Texas? No, he's from Texarkana.

Straight up? Yeah, he was a resident of Texarkana when he made it. Okay, right on. Yeah, it'd be funny to watch this fucking sequel about, you know, sort of about your life, making the movie. Yeah, Charles B. Pierce. Have someone play your fucking son. I know, right? That's kind of weird. Super weird.

but was he the the actual director in the movie was his son in the movie as the diner person oh i thought it was i think it's his son oh i thought it was i thought it was maybe you're right though i thought it was his yeah i think it's the actual whatever junior carl whatever the fuck now yeah

Whatever the fuck that director's name is. It's a Charles B. Pierce, but junior. Yeah, junior. Yeah. I just watched this movie before. Oh, you did? It's our recording. I watched it last night. Yeah. But it's interesting. I want to go back and watch the first movie again. I'm curious more about the Moonlight Murders. I'm fascinated. I'm interested.

said now it's it's well done i like i like seeing it within the movie and i'm cool with seeing it just that i mean it's one of those movies i don't need to watch again the original but i remember watching and being like oh i get it it reminds me of like 10 000 maniacs or something like that where it's like

talks like it's a documentary and all of a sudden you see something over the top like there's no fucking way the trombone like give me a break yeah that's insane yeah it is insane it's like why the fuck would you like it's like so exaggerated and crazy because usually a serial killer like yeah you're usually you're trying to find a place that is maybe you have a little bit of time but like you don't have all night to fucking be strapping a fucking knife to a trombone and going ham bone yeah

And that's the way to call attention to you. Right? And I love it that all the religious people and rich people are in this country club when the car's going by saying they just shot the kid, you know, thinking they had just killed the guy. And then it focuses on the...

trombonist and you're like after right after you see the lone wolf watching the scene with the trombone so you're like oh we're really focusing on the trombone i think it's going to be isn't it the it's the kid who plays trombone who gets it because it's in his fucking car yeah right yeah

And it's so funny because, yeah, we literally see him. They kind of do a weird thing where the two trombone players are looking at each other weird. They look at each other like, ah, you ready to start this game? I want to suck on your trombone. This is going to be your dick later. Check this out. There's a slight trombone on one end and jerking on the other.

the wind but it is yeah it's it's kind of it was like almost that that particular scene in that way that it happened this movie was very like ham-fisted yeah campy super ham-fisted yeah it's very campy they were trying to get a fistful of ham bone at the fucking neck They should have. They finally let them get their fucking suck on real quick. Yeah, let them.

Everyone else got to get their suck on. You could tell they hadn't ever done it before. They were trying to figure it out. They're like, so how's this work? I'm like, ooh, this is romantic. Put your lips around it. Well, how do you think it works? Put your fucking mouth on my dick and get to work. Don't you got the internet? Oh, no, it's... Texarkana. It's 1971 somehow. I just watched a new episode of Scooby-Doo. The first movie hadn't come out yet.

We're going back in time. Maybe just hit theaters. That's why they were watching it. This was first run movies. World premiere in Texarkana. Fuck. Earlier, I misspoke when I said that the clothing was 1940s. I meant 1970s. You said it. But they're all wearing 70s clothes. It's 2013.

But I was thinking because the original murders were 1940, so yeah, that's where my brain went. I understood you. I think the audience did too. Don't judge. Don't judge, Brian. How fucking dare you? How dare you? You leave my Brian alone.

Yeah, so let's hear what our top dog, Will, has to say about picking this flick. Hey guys, this is Will Bailey. I'm the one that picked out The Town the Dreaded Sundown for your old watch. I picked it because... It really isn't a remake. It's not really a requel or a sequel. And I guess it really just shows how the phantom murders affected the town of Texarkana and the movie.

And I grew up in Arkansas, and I still live in Arkansas. And a lot of the killings happened on the side of Arkansas, so I learned about it in high school. So I didn't know a lot about it, so I learned some things. And also there were a lot of flashers when I came out in 2014. So I thought it was really good. Ryan Murphy produced it. And so did Jason Blum back when he was still having more hits than misses. And I really enjoyed it. I hadn't heard.

Very many people talk about it, so I wanted to see what your all's thoughts were on it. And I was also trying to pick a good movie that you all would like and not be cringy, which I know that can be a toss-up. But I really hope you enjoy it, and I can't wait to hear your all's thoughts on it.

Hell yeah. Awesome. Awesome, yeah. Thank you, Will. And we did. We did do it. I think we all loved it. This is worth a watch. It's definitely an overlooked horror film from that era. It was funny when the Blumhouse thing popped up. I was like, whoa. We're going to get deep into the bag for Blumhouse.

because I didn't remember that this was a Blumhouse movie. I don't think Blumhouse was really on my radar back then. It's definitely very cool. I really love they incorporated all the old stuff into it. I'm just...

ignorant to how those this town works because obviously it's like smack dab in the middle of both texas and arkansas right so it's right down the middle right which is like just interesting it's like i guess it's probably been that way forever whatever it's like on the on the border so

There's a lot of states like that that are border towns or where there's four corners or three corners of states and places. I feel like El Paso is like that, where it's so close to the damn border that it feels very much like you're in Mexico. And you technically are, but yeah.

So yeah, that's cool. That's crazy. Like the murders actually happened in his area. You know, you were talking about the Zodiac, which happened in our area and there's some crossover here. So that's, that's cool. That's interesting to be affected. Like, you know, growing up, like hearing anything like that, like I didn't even really like. live in this area obviously when that shit was happening but like it's just because I live here now and I've

you know, spend a lot of time in California my whole life. Like it just become something that I'm interested in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's fascinating when you're here and you're like, you hear about the parts, places that took place. You're like, Oh, that's.

there. That's at that lake right over there. Yeah. Jeff and I went and drove to all the like, except for the one in SF, but we drove to like all the like locations. Yeah. We kind of checked it, checked it out, did a little weird tour. Zodiac. Yeah. Kill spots. Is that, which is interesting. I saw, I actually.

went by that original like lover's lane one recently. And like, it's totally different. Now that sign that was kind of spray painted with a Zodiac, like there's a gate there now for some property. Like it's totally like, Oh, they don't want you fucking around. It doesn't look like it. used to look even just a couple years back when we went interesting so but um no i mean like it's funny i hadn't watched the original because i

I'd seen parts of it, but I've never watched it. And I should have, because I'm interested in this story. I feel it's something, it feels like something you'd really like. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Three stories and all that, all that kind of shit. It does remind me of like air of Texas chainsaw. Yeah. Like deranged in a way where you're like, that movie is like, it's.

kind of goof but also very scary right yeah yeah i need to go visit it and like it's cool i do appreciate that they made this movie in a way where you don't have to watch the original because they really go over it sure in this movie but i feel like it probably enhances it

I think so too having viewed it or being a fan of it or something and I like 70s 80s horror so like yeah it's right there for me you know yeah well I think he did a good job picking man like it's something we've all kind of wanted to see anyways and yeah and we we did enjoy it

It wasn't perfect, but what is? It's not a perfect movie, but it's kind of a perfect choice because it's a movie we wouldn't have watched on our own. It's been sitting there waiting for us for over 10 years, and we just never have done it. We needed the push, so that's great. I'm stoked to have seen it now. Me too, and I thought I was going to hit it.

I hate it. Can't wait to talk about it more. Did you? Yeah, I thought it was going to be, like I said, like a Scream ripoff, you know? Well, it is. I mean, it is. It is. But not in the way that I hate Scream ripoffs where I'm just like, that's just a fucking straight up Scream movie. Yeah. I like this more than like...

I know you did last summer or some shit, you know, that's me, but even though it's made by the same fucking writer, you know, like this is way more interesting to take. Yeah. And there is just something like the scenes, like,

I grew up in some smaller towns in Oregon and things like that. And there's scenes in this where like when they're leaving town at, you know, four in the morning, five in the morning, and there's no one, they go to the gas station. There's one old, you know, crotchety guy filled up his tank who gets blasted. But like, that was,

same guy with one eye he was wasn't he complaining about he kept on covering calling everything gd this and gd that which i fucking love every time i hear some old asshole say shit like that he's got one he's got that one asshole eye

He was probably getting a beach back in the day, too. That's why he was still up. Getting gassed. He's still awake. That's the thing. He's the real guy that was getting a beach and got shot in the eye back in those days, but it didn't kill him. He's the one that pulls over and taking a piss. Yep. He just got a beach. Yeah. Left his tire print. He's got to put sprinkler nick on the side.

A hundred percent. A hundred percent. But I do like that scene where they kind of show. And I guess now knowing it's like basically the window from where the killer is sitting to start sniping fools. But it's like this cool shot of like the gas station.

Not a single other fucking soul in town. It's just like this cool lit up little gas station. The sun went down. They gotta go hide, right? Because they made a big deal about that in the movie. Why not? Why didn't they make a bigger deal about the sun going down in this movie? If you're gonna have that title, just give me one moment. I kind of feel like they do make a big deal out of it in the 76 version.

I feel like it's in there. Because it's closer to when the original ones happened, right? I mean, it was 30 years or something, but it's like... Yeah, but it takes place in that time, right? Interesting. i love that when they after the first murder happens at the drive-in they do put

Is it Bowie, the main guy, Bowie? They put, like, the skull over his head. I mean, sorry, the mask over his head and then, like, put a knife in his hand or whatever. Well, because the knife's already in his hand because he's a Bowie. Right, because he's the Bowie knife guy. Which is, like...

A sick knife. It's one of the most famous knives in all of American history. And the church is like, why don't you just take the whole thing down? It's encouraging people to use a Bowie knife. Right. The GD knife. The GD knife. The GD statue. The GD knife. The GD killing. My GD blowjob. What happened to my GDI, by the way? Love it.

Thank you so much, Will. We appreciate you. That was a good choice. That was really fun. It was definitely not painful to watch, which I'm so thankful for. It was a pleasure. I had such a hard time getting through that Langella Frankenstein, which I want to see. Really? You haven't learned your lesson yet, huh? ChatDBT, make me Frank Langella's Frankenstein one time.

C.D. Frankenstein. That's a whole gallon of water, Josh, right there. But I have Frank Langella's Frankenstein at my house waiting for me. But... Yeah, that was such a tough movie to get through. It was a tough watch for you? Literally, this, I was like, it's over? It was a breeze. It was a fucking breeze to get through. One of the biggest horror films of 1979 was a chore for you to get through with the biggest actors in the world.

And this low-budget sneaker from 2014 spoke to you. It did. It really did. I don't understand that either. I back it, though. My favorite movie being Texas Chainsaw Massacre in 1974, you would think... I would lean more towards the 70s OG shit. I think if your favorite movie in the world is A Town of the Dreaded Sundown, you're probably pissed about the sequel.

Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure people that like love that OG one are like this garbage fucking scrap. I don't hold it. I'm not precious about it. And I, but I enjoyed it. And I like, I think I like this one better because it has the other one in it. Yeah. It's like watching both. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

But, I mean, Addison Timlin, I don't really... I know she was on Shameless and I think other shit, but I've never really... Is that the main girl? Yeah. Okay. And I like her. I like her in this a lot. I didn't think of it like... I was like, oh, I know this gal is like...

way bigger now okay i didn't recognize her from anything she was in something else i'd seen i forget what it was it was like she's been in like all kinds of i think other maybe other horror movies we've seen too is that right i don't i don't recognize her at all maybe not but um but she's cool like i thought she did a great job i i liked her i didn't think she was like she wasn't like too you know over the top or weird for like like it was pretty like a good like

girl next door situation yeah I saw her in she was in Odd Thomas with Antoin Yelchin who I really like that movie Odd Thomas oh yeah I like that movie too that's where okay yeah yeah she's from that we didn't we didn't really mention how her character was

Trying to be a detective and was failing left and right of being a detective. It's like, hey, I solved the crime, police officers. I bet you didn't think about this. And they're like, uh, yeah. Yeah, we already looked into that. We've been down that. Yeah. Who do you think we are? We're the fucking... police. But she did maybe figure it out. No she didn't. The director figured it out. But she brought it to the cops. Kind of. Yeah. She really brought it to her own fucking front doorstep. Yeah.

Great detective work. He's right there in front of you, you fuck. Well, no one knew about that last murder. The guy's like, oh, who's this guy? Nothing, he's just cut and shoveled over here. It's me! But thank you so much, Will. We really appreciate all your support on Patreon and for picking a wiener.

You picked a wiener. And if you yourself, listener, would like to pick a wiener, go to our Patreon.com slash Forever Midnight and check it out. Should we change the tiers just to call it Pick a Wiener? Pick a wiener. Pick a wiener. Then we get the choice to whether to watch your movie or show you our dick.

I'd rather you look at my fucking... Sometimes. Oh, God. Charles Band movie? Here's my dick. Can you just check this out? Feel free to distribute it anywhere as long as I don't have to watch another full moon picture. They're like, what is this, Dollman? No, it's my dick. It's my actual dick. It's Dollman. It's Puppet Master versus Dollman, if you must know.

No, doll man versus demonic toys. We did see, okay, like our friend Kenny on Instagram sent us a clip. Oh yeah. Of doll man versus demonic toys. And holy GD. Christ. Holy goddamn Christ, right? I'm not ashamed to say the whole word. Yeah, it looks great. You think you're about to see that doll's dick. I think they're going to show Baby Whoopsie, like, fully sexually assaulting a woman. I mean, it practically declodes her.

How do you say it? You were almost de-closed. GD de-closed? He took her GD skirt off. But it's so huge. He's so huge in this. Why is he so big? Because they're dolls. She's a doll, too? Oh, yeah, because remember, she's from Bad Channels. Look, I'm just watching a fucking clip here. I don't know what's going on, okay? We're not even a week out.

out of our fucking Charles Band band. And I feel like we might have to go back soon. I know, seriously. I almost went to that bookshelf and brought home the Charles Band book. I'm like, if I bring this home and read it, I'm going to want to watch so many stupid movies. I'm going to walk my own fucking... We gave ourselves to the end of the year to have a break. Draculas and full moons.

I am really... You can tell it is a goddamn train wreck of a movie, but hell if I'm not interested in watching that train wreck. When you show that baby saying, put the goddamn gun down, and he does it, and you're like... I'm just watching a stationary doll's face. Kick it over to me. Like, what the fuck, dude? Like, there's so many things about this.

We're not even doing the full moon episode on it. Apparently we are. The fact that there was a giant baby whoopsie doll that somebody's in for some of those shots. And the hand, that huge rubber fucking stupid foam hand that is It's like so wrinkly and so stupid looking. Yeah. It's just pawing at that full size woman. It makes you want to watch it. And Dollman has some weird magnet on his hand that he gets his gun back. I feel like that's a trancers move. I think they're biting from everything.

A full moon universe, it just keeps going. It's like the Marvel universe. It's all-encompassing. He's a doll man. That makes sense. If you're going to have a gun, it makes sense to have a magnet so it stays in your dumb doll hand. Yeah. Or if you have to kick it towards baby whoopsie and get it back real quick and blast him to pieces, which is amazing. Again, I'm like talking about a fucking full moon thing. Like I want to go watch it right now.

You know you do. I think we saw what we needed to see. That's probably the highlight of that movie. Think how much more sexual assault by dolls there could be. I don't want to. I don't want to, but I may have to see it. In six months, we'll watch maybe something. Oh, my God. anyways let's thank our sponsors and get on out yes definitely um

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