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Shows for 40 some years and so we had a nice time with Ted he's very affable funny and he we went over a movie body heat if anyone's a fan of that it's a brilliant film to our early 80s when he plays a part that William hurts. And Kathleen Turner we talk about that we talk about how we got into show business as beginnings.

Talk to a lot about how show business can beat you up and beat up your ego and how you have to be I don't know what word he use agreeable or you have to be willing you know to take the pain not flip out basically the beating that is show business that can be show business to your ego. And what he also because he did cheers them and they have a spin off not a podcast about that it's more.

It's not just about cheers it's not just about cheers but it's Ted dancing and then Woody Harrelson sometimes but he loves Woody Woody loves him they're really good friends and. Podcasting allows him to hang out so talks about that he's a really interesting gracious guest for us and talks about his marriage and that's kind of a teaser for anybody interested in.

Mary steam Mary steamer gen who I have a crush on a door a bowl and so you'll hear about a lot of stuff a lot of stuff you're going to his stuff like you wouldn't believe you never run out of it we're going to do things and a lot of people say we can do it but we did it anyway. All right here you go there's Ted dancing. Oh no we love the technical stuff we everyone we've been told you know because we're we're dancing for our dinner when you're doing your shows and movies and I'm doing whatever.

I'm not doing anything else for gardening they're at the gym it's like having sex with your wife but she's actually writing a grocery list so it changes the dynamic yeah also they like to go what is he what is he doing his computer that I don't do to mine like how do you do that so it's also a little informative very much we never get it right we've done this so many times and then sometimes I want to have you have you bank some Ted by the way we

go we're going to let's see we premier is that the word whatever June 12th and we have about 38 we're at I know oh that's smart because then you're going to you get so far ahead that you're going to be able to make your own schedule as you go you go to Greece for a month if you want yes but the poor people who had a book coming out the week out yeah what book is probably off the shelves by now right we were told that

slow down a little we run into that we they say you should get a little ahead but sometimes like someone's exactly promoting something are you guys loving doing this a podcast not necessarily this one but in Jen well this one is as starting out as my favorite one so so that you know this is let's back let's unpack this for a little bit like this is surreal

pre post pandemic that I'm on a laptop in my bedroom I'm punched and I'm working I'm being paid well I'm hanging out with friends and riffing that this even exists as an idea like I was on vacation with my family and Wyoming they said palm a carton you can do it tomorrow so I had to go to the four seasons for good Wi-Fi and I interview palm a carton on this very laptop wearing this t-shirt for an hour with David in New York and Paul and Liverpool or something

or London probably so yeah it's a miracle and it's it's it's it's very fun and here the other thing you've probably already noticed I don't know if you're a man about town I'm kind of an introvert I'm like Billy Bob Thornton I'm just inside so I get to hang out with you now for an hour so we ever run into each other again it'll be even next level Ted you know yes Ted Spina I have I have the exact same story really I am I

had to go to church around favorite famous people when I meet him at a party I become reverential I become you know all the things you don't want to be I'm not well I'm not whatever and I'm a bit of a wall flower so to be able to sit opposite somebody we do it in person and and literally talk to them for like an hour and a half or so and figure out who they are

and what makes them take is kind of a privilege I'm really in it's like an on an uninterrupted Oscar party where people aren't pulling you away every second you know yes at those parties you get about a good 15 seconds before someone comes in and so these are real conversations real talk and then it's just getting to basically like have dinner with someone and talk for an hour that's a way that has to be in

the way that's not so that's so this is that a surprise that like you went into it let's see how this goes then you decided I love this you know because it is enforced intimacy it's not the small talk is difficult at a giant party very tricky I get I get nervous to handing you know if they're friends or people I'd work with I don't get nervous but if there's somebody I don't know and

I have a lot of respect for like you guys I'm not in the day did for about five minutes until I settled down and you know just enjoy the conversation but I'm you know it's hard to decide how far I can poke fun at people because I don't know them that well and some people we know from the old days and some people I barely know and sometimes we go too far but it's

ultimately just fun that's my nickname too far Ted to for Ted is yes okay how does that how does that manifest itself you just saying wildly inappropriate things trying to be one of you guys who can be cutting edge and I go too far

I'm mostly family it's around family that's where I got all okay well we you know doing this I will after almost everyone have some regret not like I'm crying in a but I'll go oh why didn't I follow that through line and why did I interrupt and why did I talk over him so do you have any of that where you sort of or you free like Howard Stern gets tortured letterman famously wouldn't come out of his dressing room for an hour because of things he didn't

think he did right others can just take it off like a jacket no I am really I don't sleep well the night before I'm full of what do I have to offer I'm lightweight all those things are true all legitimate from you know being able to do this job well step-depriquet self-deprecating is your new nickname and I have evidence here I do research yeah you've

done this one of the biggest careers is a fact is a facty crazy years and we can jump around wherever you want to go but I have things that I'm really excited to talk to you about well we did kind of work together didn't we won't well well well I live oh yeah and I remember you

know no I was talk hey come on give me a second I remember you then and you now like being talking to us just on the sound stage and you talked about how I won't give the number I remember this I you told us how much you were going to make specifically and you were sheepish about it you knew so many great actors that were still in regional theater there was a humility about you had always stuck with me what did you remember I remember how my false humility which I'm also really good at oh just

for the record I think it was you or John asked me yeah and of course they ask I'm always fascinated and we probably asked you to gather it go ahead it's not it's a little bit if you're in the business kind of all together kind of okay yeah if I've been making like way less I probably would have said none of your business yeah that's true well it's it's it's fascinating to me the transition where you first you're going to try show

business then you get a job in show business now they're paying me good money like like I have my high school teacher show business now they're making giving me a lot of money it's such it's surreal for doing the same shit it is literally and the day you got that job that pays you you know a lot of money you're just as good or bad as we were the day before yeah yeah it's all very kind of I do think there's a degree of you

needed to agree with willingness to be successful and that sounds really weird but you do have to give up the the shit in your life that doesn't serve you you do have to I don't know they're just things that you need to you have to be willing to I don't know I actually sorry oh we love this you know it's a big part of being successful a lot of people you know don't check out how they present in the world

or don't realize they have a chip on their shoulder or don't really take a look at themselves in a kind of harsh real way to so that you can pave the way to the possibility of success a lot of people are confused why things don't come their way but then if you really take a look you're you're you have a big fuck you on your shoulder that that people don't necessarily want to work with I mean there is a degree of self examination I think that helps

you on your path you know in life some people are what I call a shoulder looking for a chip yes like they're they're brain actually they get an adorfen rush from that feeling of victimhood yeah it's it's a disease and I do think that over the years and people have come through Sarah and I myself there's an agreeableness it's not soft or or heart it's just agreeable in the moment and someone you want to hang out with so I assume that by the time you because you got a movie called the onion

and that was your first kind of movie in 79 right and cheers yeah yeah I'm in the field yeah yeah and James Woods John Savage yeah a lot of it is a ring of a lot of was brilliant yeah true story about two policemen in the 60s who got pulled over or who pulled over a car

because of a license plate in fraction or something and these kind of low level hoods decided guns on us took our guns kidnapped us took us out to Bakersfield and they thought well we've kidnapped them so we might as well kill them and they did indeed shoot my character

but what was remarkable about it was it was like it was a Joe Womba novel and then I think he wrote the script Harold Becker directed it and it they had relatives and surviving you know of the people who were real in the movies so it was like you were really not only was it my first film

that you know has a certain degree of all attached to when you're starting out but it also had the awesomeness of trying to represent people who who had relatives standing there watching you ask that's tougher yeah yeah but it was really an amazing experience

well what was the onion fields that where they brought you out that's what yeah they're onion fields on Bakersfield and that's where it's a very riveting film kind of disturbing yeah it's like anyone's worst nightmare yeah you know can I this is just I want to go to this

movie right now don't skim over three move three minutes no no we're coming to that there's just a movie I did this with Michael Keaton I'll do it with you everyone has a sleeper movie that maybe it's not as big as some of the other movies but it's a sleeper that no human being could not enjoy

every time I've recommended this movie that you were into anybody who's never seen it I'm always very happy you haven't seen body heat oh body heat yeah you're going to love it and you were that's on my wife and I we watch movies over again like the Godfather every year

that's on our rotation that's how much we love it I've seen it at least 10 times you and that movie is crazy great do you hear from people about that yeah that dancing character in the whole arc of the whole anyway do you talk about it yeah no it was brilliantly

brilliantly written by Larry Caston who had written a lot of the star wars or several of the star wars and this was as I think his first director first yeah and he he storyboarded it like two or three times we rehearsed it for a month because there was a I think a writer strike or some strike

that happened right as we started our one person and it turned into a three so it was so well thought out and planned you can literally take that script watch the movie and conduct it like a symphony everything on the page is on the screen which is the point where he really he chewed

a half of a close up and a third of a master because he knew exactly what he wanted Wow and the dancing thing was in the script in the script yeah because of that strike I had about a month running around L.A. jumping you know and car lots jumping off bumpers

and trying to be Fred is there it was just the character in the film David I don't know if you've seen it but watch it tonight no I saw early on yeah little dance little dance flair she's throughout such a unique little twist to a character what you did see it when it came out well everyone fell

for Kathleen Turner right she's in that oh yes and very much and then I fell yeah William William hurt is just brilliant in that you know yeah you and he yeah he was on his way to becoming a hard throw I mean he was amazing yeah this is how my mother because there was some sexy nudity yeah he hurt me her son but this is how they're watched body heat literally with the hands covering of course just hoping you're not popping up naked right yeah star cross lovers who plot to kill the husband

Richard Krenna was amazing in that you know great movies everyone's great you ever noticed that what I'm gonna blank on his name James Allen Preston was your co-her the detective you two together figuring good friend William hurt the lawyer is probably guilty and that whole arc is written so great and acted so brilliantly but who is the guy that they high that they make a rock yeah this was Mickey's oh first

film and he was just he popped out of that oh my god what you do but I wouldn't do it I mean what you're doing counselor you know I'm about as you know bland white boring guilty yeah I was talking to him you know Mickey before shot or something I was watching them shoot his scene in the jail cell and he was saying you know if this hadn't come along I was I'd probably be in jail and one of those guys some people say that yeah right he is like that yeah I kind of went yeah I got it yeah

what a stud though and then he comes out I don't have weeks all that yeah just so fun to watch I just think the scene where you guys really went for it the very end back in the diner toward the end where you and the William hurts character really kind of know the gig is up the game is up and

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Nicholas cage and I had a little part in that but then the director Richard Benjamin called me at home and said we just you were fine in the scene we just can't use you I did tough guys with Bert Landcastle and Kirk Douglas I was the third their last movie together in 85

wow that was a thrill were you were a tough guy you excited and thrilled beyond beyond being being a baby boomer Bert Landcastle and Kirk Douglas I mean and I'm hanging out with them and they're talking to me and I was just kind of I thought they would just sort of levitate but when I

saw when I saw them do their lines it was so simple and clean you know well I don't which is hard I don't think we should rub the bank cut is that it well they would do it Bert would do a lot of takes because this memory is going a little bit and then I would do one take and then Kirk would

always say I think we've good I think we're good let's move on but I became friends with Kirk after that doing a lot of cardiac benefits at Cedar Sinai and just did what's your what's your let me ask David real quick yeah you know over this podcast by the way yeah I want to see how

you already know you're going to be great you can practice interviewing us and then we'll we'll you can you can use this audio for this is go ahead uh baby first one was um police academy for with Steve Gutenberg Steve Gutenberg yeah see look at that that's a tough

guy to work with what a prick where you with you blase where you and all was it a big big I was so beyond doing cartwheels I got it from just being at the improv being new and doing stand-up and and then I got lucky because I didn't know how to act at all if you feel let's look

at a clip you can tell but no I I didn't know how to act and they said they need a skateboarder and there was always casting people at the improv and Dana knows this there's just you never know yeah yeah and I looked young and I was 20 maybe 21 and and they said can you skateboard they want

to call you in for this and they didn't have the sides at the place and they apologized and said can you just act like you're a skateboard like arguing with the cops because they're hassling you and I'm like oh my this was so much better because I couldn't have read I wouldn't even they

could tell I just read it off the paper I wouldn't even know what I'm doing and so because that was even in the vicinity they're like it's not a huge part yeah get him and it was 10 weeks and so I got to go and do 10 weeks I double dated with Gutenberg to Bob Seeger when I was there

and my date liked him better in a shocking turn of events wow she liked the lead in the movie and then one time I think he was I was making 25 grand which was 2500 a week for 10 weeks and I loved it I couldn't fucking believe it and the Steve was making 1.7 million and I remember

it was a rain delay and we were in his trailer he was nice enough to just bullshit with me and by lunch they called lunch and I go I walked away going he just made my house out he didn't leave his trailer in my weird head I was thinking that's so it's too much money it's too it's too

crazy and so pleasant experience got to be a skateboarder Tony Hawk was in it got to work with skateboarders Tony Hawk did you meet them later was Tony Hawk super Tony Hawk by then or he was medium Tony Hawk he was just a skater I saw in skate magazines and I was a skater so he played

I had like a gang of skaters that were bad guys sort of and it's not even a B story or like a D and then Tony would do my good skating he's my stunt skater forming so and then he's been on this podcast yeah and he was nice enough to then I stayed in touch

with him because I love skateboarding so I knew every guy they used and then we stayed friends and uh my big excitement was I took a um at the rap party I took a Tylenol from Canada which is a 222 which is Dana I don't know if you know when you go there they sell Cody and over the counter

really so I took two basically like full vikinins I never taken a pain pill and I was running around like John Bane I didn't know how why I was so amped up and I've got two amp and I ran home from the party three miles dug a pool um and then uh just stayed awake for 24 hours I didn't know what

was going on yeah like going on at that rap party Sharon Stone was in it uh it was such a fun Baba you know obviously uh Baba Smith Sharon's been on your show too right Sharon's been on and she was lovely recently was was was lovely on the movie do you guys keep in touch I am just

amazed I'm a lousy friend I'm a good word I love uh it seemed like a bad friend like that yeah yeah staying in touch I'm I'm rock you know I like the hunkered come with Mary and go nowhere well Mary she Harrison is the exact opposite he literally will be on location somewhere in his

assistant or whoever will come out and say these are the people who have called and would like to spend some time with you uh here in Montreal you know I am the exact opposite I'm terrible I'm always apologizing I'm exactly like you Ted David you have friends I can tell you I have a couple friends

but I when I see them out I am a good for a short amount of time at a party at a Hollywood thing I can do about an hour the second I'm in the corner and no one's talking and I feel weird no one's kind of gotten over it with me I go oh they've seen me once because you know with people

go I'm gonna go do a lap and then they come back you see him again uh uh and then the third time I'm like get the fuck out of here I've seen you three times so uh you feel dumb doing that so I say hi hi hi say things that don't matter uh talk about nothing do jokes that no one understands

that I mean you when Mary and I yeah I want to know about you and Mary yeah and Mary is very nice been married a long long time hanging out of course everyone loves her uh and you as a couple uh so what it what's that what do you guys hang I know you do wordle uh so does my wife in the morning

but you was talking you read in the same room together at night do you check out shows do you talk amongst yourselves uh we check out shows we we found each other late in life and had messed up my head several times and and we had gotten to the point where we were convinced

that we were incapable of having a relationship so finding each other uh was so miraculous we we celebrate each other and do each other non-stop so yeah we're we're pathetic if you had a cam hidden camera we would nauseate the entire world we make each other laugh with the stupidest

things but you know hearing her laugh is kind of the the best thing in the world do you have uh tricks up your sleeve I mean do you do a carry grant impression or name's out it's just is it physical comedy because you've demonstrated a lot of comedy chops throughout your career yeah

physical comedy uh I'm really good for talking for our dog when we had a dog in the box that's something very stupid stuff yeah it works if you get someone it works with that's all of her the matter do you like like say you're in the kitchen and she just comes in and is walking around

do you do just like watching her walk around yes I will I will peak at my wife peak at my wife if I have full cart blanche to look at but I will sometimes just peek at her and go oh my god yeah look at her she's a stunner look at her look at her I love that that is the sign of a really good

marriage and you're both really uh simpatico chill uh no one's undercutting you think of all the negative things that can happen someone who's undercutting you a little bit jealous I mean there's a whole list of human frailties and so I guess with you two it's just easy you were the first

chair loan ban we're you know you work it stop you you're your parents your step-parent your grand parents you both have careers you both have uh he goes and uh sensitivity so you know it's not yeah we we work we work at it and when you're working at some with on things with

somebody you're madly in love with it's a lot easier in the middle of a fight you know if I'm which are pretty rare but in the middle of a fight I walk away and one little voice in my head goes Ted do you really believe that she's not madly in love with you you know it's like

shit okay it's nice so do you think that JLo have like rumors are true that's why we got you on the phone today give me give me the give me the latest there's I would yeah I'm rooting for them uh it's sort of the I am your situation the

more people that know what your business is in my theory is it's just harder because the more commentary so you guys are sort of homebodies there's less interaction less input of what you should be doing and not doing I think also the level of fame you know I if I am surrounded uh for

whatever reason uh by a lot of adulation you know uh adoration uh because of a job I'm in the middle of or a crowd or or whatever uh and I come home you know I almost feel at this it's tricky because there's part of your ego you know which you pretend you don't have or you have under control

is just roaring you know uh you you I think if I were more famous than I am I would be very hard on relationships I think if you know they both are so famous I think marries in my name is at the level that we uh can contain and are happy with and do you and do your life pretty normally

without too much you're not you're not feeding the beast I mean shiny objects it's the press press corps just goes to the shiny object putting them right Ted and Mary okay still boring married and have families um both working you know so yeah be boring there was that guess

we had on here was in the tabloid frenzy I said you got to get boring you just got to get boring however you can do it you can't take off your wedding ring one day then put it on the next day then hold it up casual the camera and then start some frenzy like wait are they together with

you know that's kind of sometimes they like to feed it not Ben and JLo for sure but just there's there's ways out there that people feel they need to keep it going and it realized it's just a tough world because if it starts to go away you feel horrible if they're not checking

on you every day you you hate it but you feel dumb if they're not so I mean we we fall into all of those traps I mean yeah I don't think you can be in this business and not you know step in a pile of poo every other day because we all have egos we all want to hurt and we all are aging and we're

all different than we used to be and we're demitting you know all those things are true so it has an impact but if you know anyway well no it's interesting because we grew up and and at how our like cheers that was an analog world it was the three channel world cable was just starting it was

one thing I was just sort of interested about because of your those two movies I mentioned the onion and and um body heat and then you're presented with this you wanted to a sitcom in a bar I mean was that like yes please or was there any sense

at that time that you're a movie guy oh no no and it wasn't I didn't even think about I mean it wasn't me being offered something I auditioned with a lot of people I remember I was doing an episode of taxi somebody fell out at the last moment and I I think Jimmy Burrows remembered me

for some audition Jimmy who was one of the co-creators of yeah an amazing director incredible yeah half our genius yeah yeah my does touch yeah yeah um so I was doing taxi and they were just had just gotten an office lesson Glenn Charles and Jimmy Burrows and we're talking about

cheers and they were starting to cast and so they had me come down on a lunch break and I had about two or three meetings with them during that week and they after the last one they said do us a favor don't take any other job without checking with us

oh and I went so so are you saying that I I have this part and they were no no no no no I don't know that quickness and I walked out they their office had two doors front door and kind of a back door and a long hallway when you got out and I went out the back door and I looked at

the staircase coming up to the the the front door part of the off and there was like every actor in town was coming up to you know audition oh kind of miraculous but I audition I think really I got it because of Shelley Long Shelley was brilliant she yes off the rack was Diane chamber

and we auditioned well together because they did a lot of mix and matching they actually had a kind of an audition off in front of all the networks three couples came oh terrible I remember those things and well yeah I mean she I've done those I think I've told Dana there was a

sickening one where I was new and I needed it so bad it was 40,000 for a pilot which was a high quote I hadn't done it but they wanted me so badly and I won't sound cocky in a minute and the other part they they had seven people read for so we went to CBS and did a did a you know

network chemistry read so I'm reading with seven other guys and they're mixing and matching and I want to you read their part just to see just the craziness and I walked out of there at my manager said all the people that made 40,000 dollars on a pilot take one step forward not so

fast paid and I go that's mad Dana it's your manager too and I go I go oh my what do you mean he's like I don't know how you did it but you didn't do it you didn't get it and I go they have to I'm the only one for the one part they go they're starting over I go no they can't I was freaking out

they started over they go they're just gonna start over casting and I go that's impossible I couldn't even imagine I go all I have to do is go there and I have 40,000 dollars and I'm on a show I could it was so I could even deal with it I could and then and I never never got off the ground

I didn't know as feasible to lose it and but those that's why those things are so nerve-racking there's a possibility there's a long shot you're even going to get it and there's a million of one it's going to be a monster hit yeah did you have a hell hell one sorry that's an example

of willingness you know because your ego gets bashed around so much in business that if you're not willing to kind of check your ego at the door if you're you know jump to the first yeah you have to be willing to get banged up and keep going it's an emotionally violent sport for sure I I read

for Harry and son I read for I go in the room and they paired me with a woman it was Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward are on the couch you know like come on fuck and he's got red socks she's got a little dog I can barely talk and they paired us off I I'm horrible I can barely move

actor even come up with words I'm with this pretty good actress and then he goes well and Newman was so nice well we're just looking and this and that he's thinking get him out so he went out to go wow that was kind of rough because yeah it was rough you fucked me and we are married for 40

years no but that was it's you're it's an emotionally violent sport you have to take such blows and such because you're not that valuable everyone says you're that valuable and you're in your replace in one second you go oh and it's hard to remember it's an entertainment business it's

really not that crucial and a lot of people can do what we do and just be happy it's very tough because you get ego for sure right don't take it personally it's like arguing with a coke machine because it's not giving you quarters it's it's never personal nothing in show business

as personal it's more you walk through the door and you happen to unfortunately remind them of their second cousin on the side you know who they hate yeah and yeah you know you'll you'll never know why you get something or don't get something and so to make rules you know it's or to

yeah the damage yourself in some way in your it's yeah you'll just get it sometimes and you won't other times I read with Lynn Stahlmaster yeah romantic scene alone in a room just being him right it was a man is like yeah and he's reading the woman part the casting director

this read the woman part I don't know you just audition is difficult you do have to have willingness or whatever tenacity whatever you want to call it yeah I think certain people I think it was from breaking bad the famous actor sorry I want you to say he decided at one point I'm just

going to do this whether it's regional theater or commercials or TV or films I'm just just what I'm going to do and I think that's the attitude I agree I love it I used to go be extras in commercials while I was doing theater you know at night and you know I just wanted to be part of

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uh becker another one 129 episodes the good place 54 episodes i mean it's like 450 episodes of i mean that amount of work is unbelievable and this amount of success you've had is just fun you know you'd have to say everything kind of you know comes from cheers without a doubt you know

what was that one again what was that about the bar did it change a lot from the pilot did you think it was like are you guys had it from the beginning like it was kind of set the way it was because some shows sort of turn into something else i i you know i'm i'm the perfect

actor who doesn't want to write director produce so my point of view is in cred so subjective who well itself so i don't know that i could really take a bird's eye view i was devastated when i saw the pilot i pulled Jimmy Burrows aside and and and literally burst

into tears saying i'm awful i'm so horrible in this and he looked at me for a minute laughter and walked off uh i do think i do think it took me a while uh i think this is true that i you know you're i was playing a a relief picture and an owner of a bar

um and there was a certain amount of arrogance especially with a relief picture uh and i didn't have any of that in me and i never was in bars me Ted i never i was never you know a woman had to be standing naked opposite me and i go wait you mean me you know i was the

opposite sam alone so it took me about a year of finally you know you realize oh people are judging you you're on the air some people like you some people hate you and uh you can't please everybody so they i kind of developed uh oh well fuck it i'm just going to do it for myself

the hell of everybody else kind of feeling not literally so but kind of and that and when i started to get was able to start tapping into the arrogance of sam alone so i feel like it took me about a year to to uh understand or be able to play him and the ratings weren't superstar right

out of the box right Jimmy likes to say we were 70 out of 70 no we were 70 i thought it's 60 oh they hung in there which is where we really were dead last one time wow they didn't cancel you why just because Jim burles or no because they had nothing to replace us with we were told that

you know everybody got we want to what we can we oh we hate you but we got nothing really we had critics on our side and that was about it you know i know yeah they do like that they like a little buzz we we worked our way up to you know the mid 20s or something like that and then

bill cause me i know you know everyone checks themselves when they talk about bill cause me but guilt bill cause me what was it juggernaut his show yes and he he was on thursday night at the beginning of the evening and he pulled cute literally all the rest that was behind 50 million

at some point i think like you're top 10 as a result of him i used to send them baskets of the money or something saying thank you thank you he made hits because if you just follow them but at least got eyes on you and you have a great you had a good show so it's not like a mistake

but it's just good that you get the eyes on you i believe and i you know there's so many it's 85 when Woody Harleton came in i think i and i really sucked i think i read for that part really oh wow that in some casero if i recall it directly yeah Martin i was horrible and then you see

Woody and it's like well of course but he really also was another gusher up when you got him in there too i don't you know yeah he was amazing the chemistry of all of you was yelling but he's he's something special i mean you know that it's always the writing even the stuff you do for

yourself if you written it well or whatever it works you know it's played the writing and we had brilliant writers and we got coach died and Woody came in and Woody was immediately embraced because he was outstanding but also because of the writing and then we lost shelly moved on

shelly law and you know cursed you did you ever talked to shelly about that when she said she'd run a buy you uh no no i think it was i think it was uh uh her desire to go off she'd made a couple of really good movies uh yeah reconcilable differences she was good in and i think she and

her managers wanted her to have a film career and she'd done her five years she got her five years yeah yeah uh and i think in a way it uh probably gave sheers its legs because kirstie aley came storming in with a whole different kind of energy and was yeah right it might have gotten old you

don't know you don't know might have gotten yeah and then Woody and and how long after coached as Woody come in or is it right away right coach uh was uh very ill the end of the third season and we they started writing about and talking about he and being on a trip or something and then that

summer he passed away and Woody was cast by the time we started the next season and then it just it's i don't know you look at Mary Tyler Moore i'm just picking some out here and then you guys and Frazier and Seinfeld it's just a it's an era of these brilliant half hour shows that all

had long runs here as long as the run as they wanted i mean you did go 11 seasons right right and you got nominated sorry don't blush every single season nine nine nine nine only nine oh Wikipedia fucked me no no no you were right nine times before i won one okay it was it became

like such a joke i'll wear a good fight and i won't wear a couple links i'll uh i will write a speech i won't write a speech and then the car ride home to your kids no no didn't win this time but i'm all right i'm okay i got to go to sleep oh you know the last episode Dana listen to these facts

80 million people seventh most watch show that wasn't sports and if you include sports it's it was beaten by a w NBA game unfortunately the LA sparks um uh given Clark actually wasn't it was three years old the last w NBA game smoked it uh they get 81 million but no 80 million seems high

that's a lot when they can't when we cancel just shoot me which is my idea no way it was the networks we just got a correction um when i was on a show Ted and Ted you can google us it's true what what was the finale when i was on the show i don't you know what i think our maybe we went out

with the whimper because we didn't know we were against i don't think you had a finale you know that trick it's like they tell you later you're like so that random episode was our big okay i don't remember maybe we did but we got a good run we had a hundred and forty eight that's good and uh

that's a real good got me that Honda Civic i'm rolling around that's not bad that's not bad can i ask you a question Ted the uh i like to ask for permission please getting to know you a little bit you can better uh by the way what do you what do you when what do you

hosted the show he mentioned you constantly it was really kind of cool i remember him about you mentor just he didn't say you're his mentor but Ted said this and Ted said this it was kind of sweet when he was this was this early early 90s when he hosted that's an out um yeah

just it was very sweet but i was just wondering with your personality there's a given point in the eighties at some point to add you're just you're swarm you're getting so famous and the swarm how did you what happened did you just roll with it i mean we talked to um

ed O'Neal about it and he's he's just very chill and kind of east coast you know was it was it heady was it exciting i mean you were on the top of that sitcom rocket yeah i yeah i mean i've could yeah i i'd be still in it not to say it wasn't heady um but you're also you know raising

two kids you're you know you there there were certain balancing things to it and then i went off and tried to make a couple of movies and they both did not do well so three three men and a baby did not do that did very well that was during cheers i mean doing yeah the middle of cheers when you'd

go out in the summer and make a movie i'm sure you can help this way with starting an i lied you had a home to come back to yeah right this huge pressure stress yeah so you finish and what movie do you go do after your drunken final episode it was a drunken reason what was it wasn't something

where you guys got drunk what was that it was it was uh jaylenno uh just i think the broadcast live outside the bar and Boston uh right and we it was the final episode and we as a cast had not seen each other because we finished shooting you know two months before or three months before

and they told us to come to the bowling fence which is a bar and hang out and do interviews until 11 o'clock at night what we are oh my god i think the only soberish person was Kelsey grammar the rest of us were hammered and stoned and and and and jaylenno this is Greg moment

where jays doing you know the lights and we're outside and there's a lot around us and we're sitting on stools surrounding jay and he he puts his notes down when they're saying five four three looks it up and sees you know seven rate of us with our eyes kind of spinning yeah of course

you can see him go oh fuck oh he could see it immediately yeah i need to do what was it after the finale after it aired and then you guys come out yeah and you guys they think you're like walking out of the finale bar like just exactly yeah what i remember hearing a lot of shit for it

that people weren't tickled but oh well no tough what when you i was just curious um what were you drinking did the people drink beer or are they doing shots or where did it evolve to did anyone just i don't know if i was into tequila back then but probably tequila and

uh that'll do it animus you know and the plastic bag weed yeah where he goes like this not one i love woody you know he has a great uh what do you doesn't like doing the the ads for this podcast i'm you know i will right sell my soul anywhere who cares um but he doesn't want to do

commercials except for animus dispensary hilarious you know that's fun and pranaka boulevard and he gives the address it's called the woods which is kind of perfect and it's brilliant i have to say it's brilliant listen he had one of the memorable monologues last year uh when he kind of

oh yes monologues stepped outside the lines outside the box and uh that's what that's our woody that's a good sndl thing that's what you should be doing on this and that's what i he wants pull me aside and said i think i was getting into borst or separated or something but he was saying why

why tenney why are you so fearful you're always so fearful and there's a degree of truth in that and woody is the exact opposite man he takes these big chunks out of life we were actually rehearsing for a show you know if we shot Tuesday maybe this was a uh a Friday or something and he was late

you know 15 minutes late meant you were on time 30 minutes you were late 45 minutes people were pissed off and someone came running in and said woody called he's in Berlin the wall is coming down and he didn't want to miss it that's woody yeah yeah it's can be maddening but i you just have to admire

the big chunks of life that he you know he seems to have funny surf see as a good time he's out of that one will sit on the playwright the detect the uh texas trifecta i mean as far as that eccentricity i think mcconny he oh and wilson and of course woody i put billy bob thorton but he i don't know

fees from texas but it's just a real eccentric but yeah those guys just are fearful i live in terror most of the time i hate flying i'm a homebody but i i i love hearing about people like let's just go surf in Argentina on us and said that one do we're going down next week i go what are the

rules of life you can do that like can you just do that well i'm doing it and they ask people you know what they regret most later in life they go i was just too afraid they have david it sounds like your smidge more courageous than Dana and me well not super courageous i do try to get out

of the house a little more but uh not that good at it that's scary man we have crazy yeah we're we're we're we're all we're those but and he's touring a lot of i do stand up that's hard enough to go on the road and that's courageous i don't i do not understand that because that is

that's dangerous that's courageous you are on your own no backup thank you i'm so astounded by people who can do stand up yes it is hard out there and david was david was good very young i mean it took me at least three full years not being a full panic attack all day this is doing open mics in college it is horrifying terrifying stage fright the palms of my hands would turn bright red and i if i waved to the crowd they go what's wrong with you so i took me a long time to beat the

hell out of it you know i mean what was your first thought but oh i'm gonna go stand up in front of a crowd and i'm the one who's gonna tell them what's funny or not you know i had a secret desires a little kid five kids in my family put on little talent shows i was i would have years did you

ever have a year that you were kind of confident like i was sort of confident in fourth grade i don't know why fifth grade horribly insecure junior highs of mofo but i could do little voices i got a hold of a crag tape recorder that was featured in once upon a time in hollywood i had that

and i would record but i then i was incredibly shy incredibly shy and then i just saw something in the newspaper i was 20 years old and it said local comedians i didn't i only knew about don Rickles or yeah or Richard prior there's like what do you mean and so it was in Berkeley and law's

salamandra it was a little hippie joint in the back like 20 cedar and i went with a few friends and watched the comedians yeah and they didn't seem that good and i always say this but i'll say it to you and then when this one guy goes up i'm like holy shit like he's amazing i i thought well

there's a lot of this guy i i i just you know so i had some notes i just put him i threw him away that was robin Williams so that yeah so he was always but then i just did it and i was terrified and i just kept doing it i i just had enough shows where what weren't bombing i played

delicate tessence and church basements i played the crowds who were facing away from me eating you know it's just a torture first few years till you get a foothold did you always do impressions i did i was enamored with them i i could do sort of a betally voice and after seeing them on

add cell phone a few times i could do linden johnson in those days i could big man rich little rich little frank frank horse when i love those guys yeah and well what about you i'm damn curious about that part of your world like we're going in circles here david i mean in a way oh we are

mine is similar today as i you did get on stage early right and it had success you came to i met you when you're like 21 right yeah i it was probably everyone left high school to go to college i stayed to do community college and and then i was looking through one of the things and it said

there's a comedy night i just went i never knew comedy club never seen anything mostly out of boredom but i like comedy everyone likes comedy so i went and watched so floored by i couldn't believe these guys are coming up with this stuff and then they had an amateur night and later it was

it was digging i mean i'm like what i wonder if i could just go three minutes and can anyone do three minutes that just you walk up so i got intrigued by it and then i just tried it not good but just liked it once you know you like something yeah i got bit by the bug it was like it was like it was like the way people get with acting i got that later with acting but right away i was like this is so fun and so fucking hard that it gave me sort of like a rubik's cube to figure out.

looking back do you think you were already in that kind of we were working on that sweet spot of comedy for you were you already recognizably a young david spade you know. if you watched yeah even my first hp o special which is obviously down the road a little bit but any early stuff it was a very similar style it was a little more high energy but eventually turned into what it is but you're i think at the beginning day and it would agree

you're sort of a research paper of your favorite people and just you start to figure out what you like the best and i realize i'm not sam kinnison i'm not gonna yell i'm not all props i'm not this i started to whittle it down and then get to more my favorites and then you just turn into yourself

and then one day someone says i saw this comic and they're doing you and i'm like oh my that's like the ultimate compliment you go oh it's now there's someone else that's seen me oh okay so that's the best one he had props at one point everyone i had a trunk of props

that i bring i carry it's funny and uh well and i kind of admired rob Williams so much because he was such a powerhouse and he did voices and characters and rano and i was trying to be him for a few years you know and uh what we're all we're all just so lucky to get on snl that was such a dream

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well i mean in high school did you go i want to be on television because i wanted to play basketball and i and i was at a small school and we did well in our league you know any decent high school would have kicked our butts but i just lived a drawing worshiped basketball went to stanford

my friend who was actually a good athlete and i decided to go try out for freshman ball and this is when kareem was a or lu alcindor was a freshman at UCLA and it was just a different game that i could even imagine so i thought i didn't even step on the court i stopped at the court line

could you do you ever dunk a basketball you're like six one or six no ask me if i could have ever touched the net you know how tall you six two but you know you must have touched the rim actually you know what i i broke my nose three times playing basketball i mean shattered it

never in a romantic you know interesting courageous way you know ball would slip through my hands we'd be running down we'd be getting back on defense and i was uh we would turn around and run into the back of my teammates head and smack no it was pathetic but as a joke one of the uh the

sports writers at our little school put in the camp school newspaper the ted dancin broke his nose on the rim once again and uh and i it's like my father ended up for some reason book i think believing it and showed it to the basketball coach and flags that fair zona at the high school and

they were all over me so i couldn't take our fire anyway so then you did went into theater i followed a girl that i was hopefully going to be able to go out with and i asked her for a coffee uh at stanford and she said sure and so off we went in about two minutes and she went oh i

forgot i have an audition and i think you know signaling this was not going to work but i went oh can i can i come along and she's out i guess so her name was Beth by the way thank you Beth because i went and there was a an audition for a birtoe brick play called man east man and this thing the room i had to do something oh really i made something up and i can't believe that i did this i made something up and people laughed and i remember going oh wait a minute this is it yeah i got the

smallest part you could get and be in the play um i joined an acting class and i literally backed up my station wagon to the back of the theater and didn't leave until somebody finally said if you're serious go back east and go to a you know an acting school which i did and did you run

into somebody at some point somewhere in new york that said hey tet you're talented you that you can you can have a career did anyone say anything like that to you or it was at a slow build it was kind of i i didn't need that actually i was so madly in love it to answer your question no

and i'm so madly in love with the process i started an acting i went to Carnegie melon and three years and then i went to new york and went back into a class while i was auditioning for stuff but i almost didn't care whether or not i was auditioning or being paid to act i didn't care i just

just love this so much and almost i don't think that's true but the money part i'm sorry but i feel the same way you know i i love going to work just like to yeah yeah well thank you Ted i think we've learned too much i have so much more i'm so

much i know i'm more i think you're gonna be very successful you asked us a lot of good questions you know what you're doing you followed up you laughed i'm just giving you a look at you seek tv friendly likable i wrote it down here likable i'm good uh accessible

hangable crazy people like woody you know yeah got woody on your team that's well woody woody and you i mean i yeah you guys i think it'll be successful it's hard to figure out what this world is so vast of digital content um there's five billion pieces of content now but yes

i think it's yeah it's gonna be very successful well because it's you guys well there you know it's nice i do i of course i have an ego and involved in this i do want it to work but it's not the same kind of ego is acting i'm just having fun i can't believe that i'm doing this

i can't believe doing a pot it's great it's a great sort of thing i know i came up and was invented and it's it's better it's it's a lot easier than going to New York and doing a talk show for six minutes it's just uh less work and it's it's it's it's co it's co it's compartmentalized you

can build your other things around it if you get a movie or a show you can expand i would say one of the thing that i noticed about you with all sincerity is you're curious and that's very helpful yeah curious just because you just follow that even if you're interrupting or over talking like

i am now if you're curious uh and you guys do over talk right you can not over talk yeah yeah to a point yeah you know no i am i love it when woodie's able to be there because it's um i just love hanging out with him and he's such a different energy than i am you know it's it kind of

works well together oh yeah i could see that yeah he's got his his draw is i've never tried to do woody heraldson but it's very funny voice unique yeah and it's getting more woody you know always going more woody oh awesome yeah all right thank you thank you thank you very much for

your time yeah we enjoyed it too and we're so glad you came on our show and uh good luck with everything that's all i could say i wish you all the best tell mario like you're inspiring because you're you know you're just totally engaged with everything thank you guys

i appreciate it okay boss take pleasure brother this has been a presentation of Odyssey please follow subscribe leave a like a review all the stuff smash that button whatever it is wherever you get your podcasts fly in the wall is executive produced by danik harvie and david spade geno waste bourbon of Odyssey and heathers and taro the shows lead producers Greg holtsworth