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That's nice that he said that yeah and we got Neil Brennan today on flying the wall and meals and old buddy well spoken stand up as a special out right now we've had him out before. A lot of fun to talk to in a very sharp.
Mind yeah very thoughtful person about the human experience he has a podcast called blocks because about that his podcast is about people who have mental health things they may not be aware of as comedians on and talks to stuff so he's very interesting to talk to just about life in general. Very bright guy and has a new Netflix special he's got a new Netflix special right now we'll tell you all about it and I have a blast talking to him I live near him so I see him out but.
He's you know part of the shepell situation the spell show co-created that he's gone under a lot of things he writes for a lot of people so. He kind of knows everybody I think because he is so open you know about what he's thinking and what he's feeling and for this particular episode he'll talk about how he dealt with his depression and how it got lifted with different.
A method that you will find very very interesting it's made him a much more content person I'm pretty tight about my craziness so I'm I have been on blocks but I will one day unveil my craziness to. I'm doing a side podcast just called blocks and it's literal blocks you play with on the floor so it's me with Lego that I can do that one and I guess the guest and I just milled a little Lego village as we chat. That's nice well until that air is here's Neil Brennan with fly on the wall let's talk.
I got carted legally by English speaking person wearing a baseball cap at age fifty three. What what are not do we brag about the last time we got carted is that this segment we do this with that you have blocks you have your thing this is our thing yeah yeah I got carted in Thailand trying to buy a lady boy when I was. I'm kidding not only so you know we're just guys oh let me switch headphones yeah have we ever run into each other are we meeting right now now we we have run into each other.
Just really quick non-love its comedy club in the universal city yeah yeah yes and that's what I thought and so I hope there I hope there's not another one is there another one. The chain it didn't turn into a chain as quickly as we thought I don't want to John's a friend but you know as a comedian you're kind of like oh you got it's a universal studio so you park in Jurassic Park.
You got to walk a quarter mile you go in it's built for blues that there's a three tier thing so people on the top level are looking down at the top of your head and talking amongst themselves and the stage is really high. And there's a lot of surfboards right because love it's love surfing. Maybe it was left over from BB King but yeah John. BB King another BB King another avid server. Yeah every morning it's very fun. Remarkably very funny. Yeah. It says she had a good.
Good pattern between like a really good pattern and would remember like narratives between he'd come back up and be like how's your date going on he knew you know what I mean. Crowd stuff. Yeah we want to do it.
Wait let's keep talking about the universal gang plus 18 theaters I used to go to those theaters you know because it then and also if you did the John Lovers County Club when you after you'd walk through or swim to the jaws theme to get there you could get 10% off at Tony Romance across the street.
Yeah you absolutely could absolutely could your primary audience that was available north Hollywood gangs that would just kind of infiltrate the wall that was the audience you're drawing from other than that. It had good sound. John was very nice they had good snacks trying to think of something and they love they love me like a guard what's up guard. You are good right. I like guards for a minute.
That's the thing and it's a good problem to have but if I try to do stand up in a traditional setting say I can feel the audience I guess the only thing worse. The not having hits is having hits I don't know what the word is but they want me to do the characters they saw in SNL so to our guests today new Brennan. Do you feel like you're classic bits that people yell out for at this point. Three likes do it do it.
I know but no one's funny is I so I on the on the newest the tour for the one that's out for crazy good the new Netflix that we're all talking. Is that true you saw it. Oh yeah I would know yeah great great great special thank you. We're going to talk about some of you know yeah well you did some stuff I haven't seen before we'll talk about that later. Yeah so we're I'm assuming this will be in the podcast we're we're all we're three of us. All of it's on.
The good parts for you guys shine fantastic. So I go I do a show this basically this the act that's on Netflix and a guide DMs me afterward and is like dude I was my birthday I paid 150 bucks for tip whatever whatever I kept waiting for you to show up. Basically he was upset that I wasn't sadder he wanted me to be sad like I'd been in three mics and blocks and most of my life. And I wasn't sad enough I'm sad that you're not sad. No I know it's about parties missing and where to work.
I want to go back to watch just stylistically or you're the way your shoulders are just your physicality. It felt like it was Neil but you say up front I feel good you're someone's like yeah I can do so I can do two hours on this I know you are very easy. Where you know psychology and emotion so for our audience doesn't know you famously been dealing with depression and having this really but having this extremely successful career in comedy and stand up.
So that's kind of almost illogical in a way but no one understands somehow that take you made it through that but then something happened. I've only read your Wikipedia page so tell us how did you get less sad or kind of happy I got less sad in a very sort of risky way which is which is I wasca. DMT and MDMA. So now I was really alpha that. Yeah thank you. And the I got into I or wasca because our mutual friend Chris rock.
Sent me an article from the New York Times about I wasca it was like we got to do this which is you know you're old. When you get your drug ideas from the New York Times. Drug idea. Rocks like we got to do it too. Yeah I didn't know that explains a lot. Now I wouldn't think that rock would do that doesn't seem like he's very open minded to a lot of stuff.
No he's talked about it in public I mean he talked about it on like James cordon I know he talked about it a few times but but yeah he we did it together and it was pretty we did it together twice. And it was pretty wild and we like diarrhea. No he loves that rain loves puking but and it's sort of hated both his closer because he calls him. And so he so yes so we did it together twice and and I kept doing it.
But he he's only I don't I don't know if he's done it recently but did you like Ron white did you guys go to a place or just do it. We didn't yeah Ron white went to a place we mean rock did it. Spade we actually did it maybe a year old. And so rock was renting a place in Malibu. Like two years ago or during COVID I think it might have been your old place. Spade you shared you shared with love it's in Ted Sarandas spot. Yeah that was love it's live right next to.
I don't know but that was the same beach go ahead I just want to know set the scene when you set the scene. Hey Chris are you walk he walks into the place or what I want to hear. I mean I mean how it feel now I feel like I'm telling his all right so we have a personal. No no no I don't it's his I don't get what he's talking about enough it's not bad it's not a list it it's in that he's just.
Yeah I'm not sure if you're like what is it you go in there and you have a helper or you guys it was a guy we I got a private I got a guy came. And and he was like a white guy and Rob is like little star bucksy. It was you know because he's still funny until this. Yeah no waste your still me yeah you're still right it wasn't even we hadn't even done it yet so then. And a few friends maybe three or four friends of mine did it in the place rockers renting and it took maybe four or five hours.
And and it was like it was just a very strong. Have you got done mushrooms. I have done mushrooms but not in only in my 20s. Yeah it was like it's like mushroom I remember comparing it to mushrooms and at one point being like wow. Like this is like mushrooms times like a hundred in terms of intensity in terms of like what it could do so so and then we did it again at another place that was more we it was still in LA but we did it it was like me and rock and 25 white like crunchy white people.
Crunchy white people now you've got a say rocks next special crunchy white people yeah it was like very cool. Like very crunchy white people and that was and and I would I would say that you would have to ask him about it but I will say I saw rock get his ass worked by by the by the I wasca in a good way. He got like it was wild. Yeah the second time and I have a question like 15 times since I did mushrooms.
I did acid once just a while back this is last Friday I did acid when I was probably what you know late teens and I did mushroom spec then it was a kind you know you get in a baggy buy from whoever and then you just eat the stems and you think they're not working and then you start sort of hallucinating.
So I was okay with that but I had to be with other shroomers my friends because we were walking on the beach to a party and when we around people that weren't on it we could not really all we ran back to each other so my experience was I don't do them later life because I get scared of getting out of control like back then I had nothing
nothing live for nothing going on it was just like drug drug drug me up just for fun I think I'd be scared now is the point I think it be scared to get like out of my head a bit and be around people even or your friends that would help but I don't know it would be a little scary for me yeah were you was it scary at all were you nervous a little bit first thing of it is I don't do it's like once you take it out of like a party
setting it can be just different it'll just be like a different it becomes like at you know not too pretentious but like it just becomes more like ceremony or something so I did I but I've done I used to as you're telling me this I remember I did mushrooms with Norm Sagitt grew and shepelle one time I like forgot about it until you were just talking like group it was we were at like the
Mondrian at the sky bar it was like probably 1999 or something and it was just too but it was too like too much energy so yeah so if you're going to do it a little try to yeah try to do it like away from people and what is it you after so you come out of it you go I it like resets your it affects your neurons like there's a neuroplasticity etc and it I was in particular grows new neurons the only substance on earth that can do it that they found
you're dead grown neurons so so you grow new ones and it's like it changes your brain kind of but having to say that it's it's can also be like very I've seen people get possessed I've seen wild stuff so did you get you get a what are you eating sorry is it a little pill or is it vegetables or what do you actually it's a tea tea okay and are you taste like a taste like espresso
and are you getting you just feel nauseous in the beginning kind of like mushrooms did or I've only gotten you get a little nauseous I will say rock generally yes puked both times I I haven't I'm not a bearish I drank too much so what Neil so what good for me yeah puked so so so yeah so it's it's a little it's a little crazy but it's it was effective for me but I can't say like do it everybody it's like like it can it can go a lot of different ways I did it a lot in 2020
in 2021 and this past year I've done mdma four or five times and that's been helpful in a different way hot why is it different which ones for which mtma is Molly actually ever do that Dana no all right I feel like a bully you ever do it nerd yeah that I just it's like that's changed me also it's open you know what I'm going to be honest it's open my heart a little bit guys okay so I I understand that's a good reason good place to be rather than heart and
cynical and being correct organically empathetic yes people and wanting which I I think Dana you are generally you seem very empathy you've always struck me as very empathetic I don't know my wife and I started across it at our breakfast table took a test personality test 10
different types okay blink just do the question and what would you come out as helper would you come out as helper it can be toxic and the extreme but yeah my wife and are very much like after you after you people ask me how did you did you let people how did you navigate the game of thrones this
Saturday night live you know because when you like hey you can do that part you could but it's not to that level I also have a really competitive streak but I'm working on that you know the the late great Warren Thomas told me a story about you in the 90s
and he said you one time Dana one time said that he wants the audience to die from laughing at him you want to kill so hard people die well I would say to people that I was in that scene in the late 70s early 80s and Rob Williams was there briefly and then gone and then he would come back
as a you know star more can bendy any he would create a small seismic event and I just I was naive I just thought I guess that's where you want to try to get to that you can the most important what do you think the hardest you've ever killed this
yeah I want to hear you as well okay I think about that boy that goes back a long time I would say for me in anything in a sketch in a I would say in the early 80s when I was really doing a lot of standup I done these goofy pilots and TV shows and then I was working at this place called the other
cafe which follow poundstone when and a lot of people 70s cedar 60s cedar with the big window and that's where I got so confident doing eight shows a week that the late shows I would literally just kind of go with what I wanted to do and I had so much confidence I was crushing in
that room and the reason is this is because I was always a sketch player but didn't know it there was no ground lanes up there so I was always trying to do characters and sketch so in this 60s cedar where there was no hard liquor was really helpful in the
H dashberry where I met my wife by the way those are the best sets I've ever had different kind of standup then you were you doing like what were you were you doing like chop and brockly that chop and broccoli came from there churchly came from there I can only imagine how hard
you were doing that chop and broccoli must have killed in a 60 cedar uh see be as it's known see be thank you for helping this podcast I know I'm helping so I would just say that and then what happens is you go on satellite live you're not doing as much standup
and then they're offering you enormous amounts of money to play enormous rooms but you're never really in the shape that you should or could be so your act gets worse and the money gets bigger but you're your famous so you're writing waves and going to your hooks but that that was the best I ever was for my head space and if I do shoot another special I would have to do it in a 50 cedar that's a tight space but you know it's not popular to do that what your theater how big was that one
uh some fond of it's probably eight nine hundred so that's it felt very intimate oh fond of on so David that's my story you know David when it's made when was you when were you crushing the hardest I feel like it's any time I'm doing standup where they're not filming it for Netflix and then when they film a special something happens where the crowd goes hmmm I'm paying to see you but this I did just goes back to the joke of whenever most people film a special it's not their best night on stage
this was my Netflix that just came out was the two worst shows of the whole tour see I'm telling you it's true data agrees it's something about it I have the same thing there was a technical issue on Friday night so that got a throw that out so you work on it for six months
and then you got one shot and the audience sees the cameras in the lights and so it's hard to that's why sandlers special because he did it all over the place and you watching a guy you're watching a special and the guy doesn't know he's doing a special so Sandler didn't know if he was going to use all that and so that was awesome because it was just not he wasn't doing a special but really that was your worst set because it felt felt
no it was I know it was still very good but it was like and then the thing happens where you're like your pissed and you can't be pissed yeah there's like a party that's like all these motherfuckers you paid to see me yeah that's funny going I'm having a tough set on my special night when they paid to see me is that like you popped into the comedy store yeah I want to introduce a psychological problem based on this and not being able to shoot it 20 times
that and it's not a good place to be in like if you you have the exact same set cameras are gone it's gone it's Saturday night and it's a little tight whatever at least for me I might step outside the lines do a little crowd work switch up my set you know try to work what's been given to me but when you're out there and you're doing your set and it doesn't help me to be in this linear thing I feel like it's homework I have to get to these bits
as opposed to I got a lot of bits in my quiver and I'm just out here tonight so that's another thing to get quiver like that whoops there's more arrows here's some chopping broccoli be careful the church that he may make an appearance but that's what I want but I want to be like that on a wasca I don't know besides me and spade don't mean spade don't do the crowd work what were there any other suggestions I don't really do it either but in a small room you can really
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very forgiving and very open. And I'm, I was like, why am I so open now? And I realized, because most of the time my brain is just like cortisol and adrenaline. And I'm like thriving in that. And I think that's my personality. And that's my outlook. And then I was like, that's not kind of in your outlook. That's just the chemicals you have. So therefore it makes you think your, it makes you seem cynical and cutting and biting and abrasive. And it's like, that's just the
chemical to do. So I figured out a way to try to ignore those chemicals and bring in more of like the nice serotonin family chemicals. It seems like a lot of things in life are a little bit like just working it fake. It's like, I do a gratitude checklist. Oh four times a day. Yeah, but like, I do it four times a day because I, I feel high. Four feels like a lot, but because I will forget, I will forget. Oh, yeah. I just don't forget. And then I start thinking negatively about my life
for like, I say it's like I write science fiction about my life. Like they're out to get me and bad. Spade hates you, whatever. And then you go, uh, and then I just go and then I write down like, no, you're a popular comedian. You have three Netflix specials. You co-created Dave's about like just things that are actually true. Like you write jokes, jokes just come to you. You're whatever.
The attributes of the positive attributes. You're good at your job. You do well. You know, yeah, and if you can make a living in the arts or something you love at and make a good living, that's a gratitude check off. Absolutely. I get paid to do this. I still go back to that. Yes, it's very hard working right now. Yeah, it's hard to know. Well, this feels like war,
but it's other stuff. It's hard to remember. It's just hard to remember the positive parts of your life because we're like kind of it's cooler to be negative and look, look like, uh, this is hard. And I'm like, I'm a soldier and I was like, no, we're all incredibly lucky. And so was it your idea to write down the four times a day or is it a therapist? It was actually, no, I mean, like I was aware of it as like a, you know, like an Oprah thing. And then some, and then I was
talking about Islam. And I said, they pray five times a day, which is smart because it's like, you got to remember. And then Rain Wilson from the office was like, why don't you try doing gratitude four times a day? And I was like, all right. And I've been doing it like probably four months at this point. It's pretty great. And what did I wasca give you? If that MBA gave you that sort of gratitude and I wasca gave me, it got me off-hand side of presence for good. Really?
Pretty, pretty big. Yeah. And I was an atheist before and then doing I wasca made me believe in a central creation force thing. And not, but it's not like religious or like so therefore, I don't know that I totally believe in that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I think people get hung up on like, well, what really? It's like what, what franchise do you believe in? Right. And that's, yeah, it gets to me. We're here. I was go back to that. Like, why are we here?
Are we really here? What is our purpose here? What are we doing here? So I just, emotionally, have to think there's some creative designer. Some reason. Some reason. Because it's, it's also more comforting just to, you know, a lot of faith or just belief systems. If they, I mean, they ask Mel Gibson who's a very devout Catholic and he didn't rather than go in defending the religion, he goes, he goes, what, what choice have I got? I did a lost
really an accident. What choice have I got? So, you know, it's like, I'm going to be way more content and at peace with myself during this time, this journey. So it's sort of like I'm choosing to be open to the, yeah, in a weird way. It is like a self interested choice because it kind of feel it's easier if you're not, if you don't take everything so literally, like if it's like, this is not, this is my only shot. And I got to make the, I got to make the most money and I got to
succeed. And I got it on this time, this 80 years or whatever on earth, I got to rise and grind. And you're like, oh, or it's like, you're part of a bigger. That's what I say four times a day. I would say, this is my only shot. I need more money. No, I don't, I believe, and I was in my late 20s. I realized there was a higher power than Lord Michaels. No, I was a 30. And then I said, there's got to be something above that. And now I'm in. We're talking, of course, about Bernie
Burles. Those are two of my favorite references. We, Neil, nobody knows nothing. Nobody knows anything in the business. Now give me 10% of your money. I don't know anything, but listen to me. But we love, we love Bernie. I love. When you did, Chipel Show was, let's say, 2003, does that sound right? Oh, yeah, that's right. It is right. 2002 to 2004 or 2002 to 2005. Okay. So SNL was going and you guys, did you ever want to write for us now? Was that any, even in your possibilities?
Are you getting written? Yeah. Like kind of like, I mean, Chipel wrote half-baked in 97. And then Oh, yeah. And then I kind of got you were doing, that's when I met you, you were doing eight heads in a double bag. Not at the top of the resume, but yeah. That sounds about right. Yeah. And Toronto. And then, and then I was sort of, and then I met a guy named Mike Sherer, Roe for SNL, and he and
I wrote a little bit a couple of screenplays together. Okay. And then I was always sort of around. And and then I would, and then through Sherer, I became friends with like, Seth Meyers and Polar and and then all those people. So I would go to that, the parties. Yeah. So that's something. And then I actually, when Dave posted in 2016, I wrote that week on the show. And it was, it was, I mean, it was the week Trump got won the election. So was and insane week to be there.
Oh, wow. But, and it was like, I remember being on, I was friends with Joe. So I was like, in Joe's office and on a exit polling conference call at 6 p.m. on the election night. And the guy Frank Lutz was like, Hillary's up by six. Hillary's up by six points. Right. Right. So then, so then six p.m. Okay. Yeah. At six p.m. Eastern time. And, and then so as the night went on, you just got to see like what like people transform. And like me and Jay, Michael T. wrote a sketch
about it was going to be Rick James doing an update. I like it. It starts with Rick James. Right. Rick James doing a weekend update. Doing an update about how he realizes that he could have been president of the United States. And, and like what we did, like three versions of it. Like there was like at nine o'clock, it's like Donald Trump failed at Rick James's dream. And then at two a.m. we rewrote it to be like another thing. And then, and then five a.m. we rewrote it to
like I could have been president. And then me and Joe's at like six or seven a.m. I, I pitched a sketch of like, why don't we just do a bunch of people watching the returns coming. And, and it ended up being like the popular sketch that week. But we wrote it. I mean, again, I'm not telling it's all these like it's the same heroism stories every all the SNL like, I'm a hero. And then like I punched downy and then got the scripted cards. But a random cards.
Yeah. And then while he was like, what ass ass I can't even read. So we wrote that sketch. And it did like pretty, it did like deep, decent it read through, but it had like some punch. And then we rewrote it. But some of those are visual. And then you, they come alive when you're doing well, what was the, the through hook of that? Just, just the, it was literally like it was like seven a.m. I done really like everyone's excited. And then like, you know, a couple lines about how shoes
keep start dropping. Yeah, nine thirty. Yeah. Then like, uh, looks like Trump won air and like them going like, what? And then Dave's watching it with them. And then Chappelle had a funny, like a funny direction for the rewrite because just make it blacker. So, so, so the, so then the direction became like white people over reacting to a bad outcome. And Dave being black about it. Dave just being like, what the fuck did you like? What did you think the guy then rock came in?
Like then rock shows up at like 11. Like with some food. Like what's going on? And then him and Dave or just like play, uh, like sniper to a bunch of upset white people. Um, but it was a funny, it was funny. Like beat not real, not, I mean, like knowing about the show, second hand through sat and sure enough few people. But so, so I, because I was like with writing with Dave, I got to go into the sketch pick thing. Oh, yeah. Right. The inner sanctum with Lauren. Yeah. So
sketch is a card and some cards make it onto the outline and some don't. It's a scary place. You go in there. So I did it. I did it. It's like the sanctum of sanctum. Sorry. Yeah. It's the, it's the death. It's the center of the death start. So I did a thing that I didn't know you or can't do is I went up to the board. No. Yes. I went up to the board. Took a hard answer. I think you should move it. What the fuck? Wow. And I don't think anyone had ever done
it. No. No. I never saw anyone do it. No. I think I paralyzed. And a plus one. Yes. Exactly. And I paralyzed Lauren to the, I, because Lauren is for the many things, he is fairly passive. If you confront him, I didn't, none of this was calculated. So I, I, I, I, I basically hacked Lauren. Goddamn. Move the sketch up. The system pushed him out of the way. Put, yeah, like get out, get a punch in the, yeah, throw him through the window. And then, and then after, after the, after dress,
dress didn't go well. I never realized how shaggy dress was. Yeah. Yeah. It's just being really some loose ends in dress. Yeah. Like you don't know. It's like, oh, this shouldn't be, not only, this shouldn't be a television. This shouldn't be on its feet right now. This is a, it's not a joke, but there were a couple times my first season. I didn't know how to all work either. I thought it was so bad and so long and so discombobulated. I just thought
the show is not going to go on tonight. They're going to have to show a movie or something. Yeah. They're going to show like the godfather. Like a, or, or, or like the lone ranger. For some of that. And it's so long. You're like, this is still going. What the, we got to do the real one in a minute. There are since seven thirty. You're like, we're not going to be able to do the 1130 show. This is running so long. So, so after dress, I were in the Lawrence office,
which is like 75, it's a fire hazard. It's like 75 people. Yeah. In this career. It is a fire has one by two. It's like, yeah. Shepelle was actually talking about hacking system. He was smoking during that meeting. It's a tiny room. And, and I, it lorn, I think I did the card thing again. Jesus, you took over. And then this is how, how hard I hacked this guy during the show. You gave no time during the show. It's like, you know, the show's going well, right? It's like,
we figured it out. Whatever cut the jokes that don't work. It was a miracle when you cut the shit that doesn't work. The whole thing is better. It starts to shine. Yeah. Yeah. And, and at, you know, it's 1240, 40, 45. There's one sketch left. And there's a few on the board. And I go, what's next? And Lauren goes, you decide. Ah, wow. So I got to pick the sketch, which, which Seth was, Seth my arms is like, I don't think anyone's that's ever happened.
And the, the way you do it is, you, you have to rush the cockpit on Wednesday. Yeah. You rush the cockpit. You get, you rest control from them. And, and, and that's the only way that, and now, and then you're the captain. And then Lauren forgot your name because he's so many people. He's probably, ah, could we have the pin pusher card guy come in from Wednesday, pin pusher? No, you know what's funny? I did go, I did go back because I'd had a good experience.
I went back another week when I think a Z's, I'm sorry, was hosting a man Joe's sort of sketch. And, uh, guests who wasn't in the sketch picking meeting. Yep. Good. Yeah. You know what? I know the big since then they have someone in there that pushes a beverage cart in front of the host and his friends in the room. So no one can get to the board. I just like the balls of him going, okay, now it's the air show we're going to open with Dave's monologue and you're in the back.
Nope. Not this week. Sorry, that's at the end. Monologue is, yep. No, I know what he, what do you think? Well, why would that be interesting? But it was, it was, uh, it was, I've done it. I went back two more weeks, so total three weeks. And by the third week, it was, I had like the classic experience. Like the sketch, you think you're, you have to kind of get your, they don't pick your sketch and then
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Elchabitoms only. Exclusions apply. So you should pal, like, I mean, just in broad strokes, just for our listeners, the difference between doing sketch and that environment and that whatever protocol you guys had. I didn't really know, but I assume it was pre-taped not life. It was all pre-taped. Yeah. And it was, and the staff was me and him. So it was like, it was well, because we had done half baked in 97,
and it didn't go well. And then, and then like, we just didn't get what it was we worked with Bob Simon. So you guys about work with like, on half baked in, and, and we, it was, we just kind of got mulled by the process because we were 23. So what, what is it? If you look back at, because I've done a lot of bombs and stuff, or I was in them, but what was the, what was the, was there a flaw in half baked or was tiny? I mean, I will, I'll clean up our end of the street.
We should have just rewritten it more. Once we got Greenlit, we were just like, fucking, we're 23. Let's get this per-dium in our pockets and get to the brass rail, the strip club in Toronto. Toronto. Yeah. What are you going to wear to the Oscars? Yeah. I mean, yeah. So like, what's it so exciting? You go, this is it. They bought the movie. Let's go shoot it. You don't think of let's keep policy. I didn't think it had a great name. Half baked.
That was a reverse. Yeah, that was a reverse pitch. So like, so we just should have kept rewriting it. And then there was just stuff, production stuff that it was like, you know, by the time we saw drawings and renderings of the sets and stuff, it was all very bright and colorful. I'm just kind of like, is this what you thought it was going to be? Just like we didn't, I think Bob had like the the Billy Madison. Billy Madison lands on it. Yeah. Like the Billy Madison
solar palette. And I, Dana, I didn't see Master Disguise, but it looked like you had that. We had it. Adam had it less in happy Gilmarks. There's more exteriors. But he got sort of further away from the sort of collette, the kindergarten color palette. Sure, sure. Family. Yeah. Exactly. What we, yeah, we were doing a weed movie. So it was kind of like not exactly right for that. So it's just stuff like that. So the authenticity quotient went. Yes. Yes. And by the way,
we could have rewritten it more. Neil, you can even get burned on posters because there's a whole art like a blue background. Like it. And I think Tommy Boy has a lot of them. There's a system where there's certain colors that make it look like a fun, happy family movie. And there's some that look a little grainy or even on the poster. Yes. That's exactly right. And then put then also were you in airheads? Spend no, no. Sorry to put that on here. Brendan Frazier. Yes. But like
airheads was a little more indie looking half baked had the bright blue background. Yeah. Grass, Dave and J. You know, it's like, you're absolutely right. Like there's just a bunch of stuff. And I'm not saying like that it was wrong. I'm not saying I kind of feel like what wasn't quite right for us. And by the time we were just, we didn't have any power to go like, no, I didn't know that you can walk up and take the index card. Yeah.
And move it. It's not, it's not actually all the time anyone's fault or a conspiracy. It's just now exactly. There's subjectivity to it. But I, you know, I think if there's a through line, let's say you and Dave rewrote it and you had complete control over it essentially. Like the way Adam Sandler does, then you would all that all your standup would come into play. Like, well, what's working? What's working? But if it gets muted, yeah. Yeah. And also we were,
I was 23, Dave was 23. And so then once we got to Chappelle show, then it was every single decision comes through one of us. Yeah. And that's why I mean, they're better for worse. At least you can take the credit or live or die with it. Yeah. And so, so like that was, so it was me and him. We would write, we would, people, a couple of people, a guy named Brian Tucker who went on to be a great SNL writer would pitch, pitch us some sketches. But it would mean they would always
write them ourselves. And so it was, you know, it was just a two person sort of black hole operation of life. How many, how many sketches did you need? Because they were half hours, right? Yeah. It was 22. Yeah, it was 21. One a week. Now, it was 22 minutes. It's, uh, my, what else we had musical guests, which would end up being about three minutes. So we ended up needing about four or five per episode. The heart, and that's very hard. So,
that's a lot. Yeah. We need to do 12 episodes. But here's the crazy part without reruns. So we had to do 12 weeks in a row of four or five sketches. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where you. It's just becomes like almost unbearable. Well, just you too. I mean, come on. Yeah. My two room is too much. Yeah. Just us. So it was, and like you guys said, we better work. There's some, some of its great second season way better than the first one to me.
But, uh, and to, I mean, just objectively. But, but yeah, it just became like very, so there was, so the hard part was the pressure and not the, there was no back stabbing. There was no, there were no politics. Okay. It was your energy life to the show. Yeah. But so it's like, you guys got weeks off, but the whole week off, you're thinking about what an asshole so and so is. Yeah. You know, um, so we didn't have, uh, we had less of that, but it is just like, unlike so,
so hard to do it that many weeks in a row. And, uh, and then we get, you know, three months off for, for between seasons, but, but yeah, but it's, but it's you riding high. Yeah. When, when did you do a whole ship? We got a hit. Well, you know what's funny is I, I, I wait, pertains to this now is, uh, you guys, did you guys read that live from New York book, the Tom Shales book? Slip through it. Yeah. So I'm familiar with it. Yeah. You lived it. So your last,
your, it's more like, oh, yeah, that would happen. But oh, yeah, there's a lot of stuff you go, well, that didn't happen like that. Yeah. Exactly. Everyone. But from an outsider, for an outsider, it was interesting to, I didn't know. I genuinely didn't had never, and I love skat, I wrote for a sketch, I called all that on Nickelodeon. I was like 20 before all that stuff. Yeah. With Keen. So I don't be sad. Uh, quiet. I'm saying you may know it quite on the chat. Um, you do that
show. It's so popular. It's, it's number one on HBO today. It's been out for like a month. Um, um, but uh, yeah, that quiet. Yeah. It's not like, uh, I had a good, I had a good joke on that guy that'll tell you guys off the air. Um, it wasn't about the less it was a fat-shaming joke. So that's pretty cool. Um, the, uh, but so I'd never, until I read, uh, live from New York, I'd never thought about like character sketches, or parodies or premise sketches, or like I never knew the,
I'd never kind of classified them. So once, so I literally read it, I, I take it to Chicago, read this like before we do, we got and picked up. And then he was like, Oh, so then we started approaching it. Like, let's do a character sketch. Let's do a premise sketch. Let's do, I mean, our, it was so disorganized. It was such a two-man operation that we had,
we ended up having two distinctions of sketches, which is long ease and short ease. So it was a pretty, yeah, smart high level, high level operation, but like, level lingo. Well, there's also, uh, which is done is, uh, we used to come on the Dana Carver show, presentational. So it's like, yeah, there's a little song or a cavern that kind of gives a joke away. Like Germans who say nice things that I did with Steve Carell, his bit. It's just two guys
facing. You know, the premise right away. Yep. Two minutes of jokes. Yes, that's, that's, that's a, that's it. I'm glad to bother that up because the, the, I remember, I went to SNL while we were doing a special and I was like, I looked at the staff and I was like, Oh, I, now I realized having Chappelle on stage setting the sketch up beforehand does so much heavy lifting. Yes. I don't, you don't need to spend 80 seconds going like, here we are at a restaurant.
I hope nothing crazy happens. Everyone's wondering where it's going. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. So we could say like me and my wife argue about race and who does what? And then we go like, so we got to have a racial draft and then toss to like everything's set up, which again, I think there's like you guys, but Dana, I forgot about how great the Dana Carver show was until you mentioned it. King, congratulations again. That show was incredible.
That's nice to have a, when you only get eight shows on the air and you get a nice documentary. Thank you. Josh, you know, that kind of goes. Yeah. You know, could be worse. Yeah, could be totally forgotten. Why was going to ask you this question based on, yeah, you asked him bringing that up because Steve Correll and Stephen Colbert, they were not, they weren't, who they are now. Yeah, you know, they're kind of insecure, but they were great immediately.
And you know, Dave, so long and forget the, how funny is just his stage presence has gone to this other level. I don't know how you've watched this evolution of somebody who's that comfortable on stage and confidence. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it's, or has he always been that guy? It's almost, I mean, he's kind of always been that guy. He was good. I don't know when you guys for some, but I, I heard a story fairly recently where Martin Lawrence, Dave's in high school
on stage at Garbins or somewhere in DC. And Martin Lawrence has done like do the right thing and he's come back to DC and he's doing good. And somebody's like, and Dave's on stage, somebody says to Martin, what do you think of this kid and Martin goes, I don't know, but I can't stop looking at him. Like he's in high school that Dave also had a joke that I like telling people one of his high school jokes. When the show, Alf came out, Dave had a joke. It's a good thing Alf didn't land.
It's a good thing Alf landed in a white neighborhood and not a black neighborhood because of Alf had landed in a black neighborhood. Two weeks later, you would have seen brothers wearing Alf skin coats. And skin coats. Pretty good joke for a kid in high school. So like the thing of his how natural he is and like I don't even think it's can't, I don't even compare it. It's like well, I'm never going to be able to do that. So it's not even worth emulating because a lot of
people could. Yeah. Yeah. Like do you guys know of anybody that's that like I've literally been having conversations with him. Like I don't even know when the show's starting. He's smoking me. Like Brennan, you don't know the now did it. What's the cigarette? Doesn't even put the cigarette up just backs on to the stage while we're talking and get to standing innovation. Yeah. Like just not
there's no separation between being a person and being the guy on stage. Yeah. Well, two things are interesting is to that that I guess for a period of time post that show and everything that happened, you know, you start to show up in clubs and I would just hear. Yeah. I would hear six hour sets or four hour sets. I don't. Yeah. You know, and so that would get someone confident anyway, but this is what's interesting to me like Eddie Murphy is 19. He comes out on SNL.
So he's he's out of a confidence, you know, he's just there. It's unbelievable, right? I'll take Louis K. Just just because I it's such a brilliant stand up. The amazing community. And he's going through the normal thing of finding this way. Then 20 years later, he's at this level that you can't you can only equal it as a stand up. So it's interesting where people who get it so fast and so young. But we could get there. Neil, you could get there. I know that we start today.
Yeah, we start today. I have you booked at the West side. You're going to do a seven hour set. Neely, little Brennan and friends, but no one else is coming. No, but that's what's funny is like you don't. I don't I don't I it's like how I would think of it. I'd say I don't have I bear I have the material I have. I have 43 minutes or whatever. Whereas I don't I can't like channel or whatever like spade. You seem
like a very bit oriented person. Like you have the time you have. Yeah, well, I also like to do longer stories now because to eat time also and to be more personality driven bits because some bits can be if you do it about a subject, it might have been trampled on already. But if you talk about your own life or your version of something that happens, that sort of identifies you and your persona. So those stories, I like a lot because they can't be really duplicated. It has to be me
telling them. So I like those in the act. It doesn't do well. Are there stories are there stories that you're doing that you didn't you were like, could I do that in my are they new stories or is it like when I was a kid? A most of it's new, but I could go back and mind stuff and say this was funny and I can make it funnier because you learn how to tell stories better. But if it has like little tiny punch lines along the way. Yeah. And a little tent pole laughs. So it's not just a story
like Norm used to tell a joke. Johnny went to school and then it's a 15 minutes and then he does the punch line. So it's it's kind of a funny walk there through the joke, but you also are like waiting for the actual funny part. Yeah. But but if you can keep a story going like that, I do like that. I also have someone liners. It's really a mess to be honest, but it's whatever's funny. He's fine. I did. But I don't like doing long sets. I'll say that. I don't like doing hour and a half.
I don't think it's necessary. I don't need I don't think people want like my Netflix is 53 minutes. Like I it wasn't an hour and five live, but like I'm like I don't like with you. No, I think everyone sharing shorts and stuff. I think it just needs a tell. I think was 35 minutes of standup, but he had people playing the reporter to extend it to 40. So if you go past, we were talking about
this that you can kind of ride a wave to maybe 40, but not anybody has to have that low. The audience gets tired if you're lucky, you know, they're from laughing and then you have to low and then you have to rebuild. But what I would say about you, which makes you unique, one is the three mics thing. It's very original and incredibly fun for a comedian to watch. It's like, oh, you know, all these styles. And then on this one, I haven't seen anyone do it, but you're just doing
regular standup. You're killing, but then all of a sudden you're talking about atheism. Your face goes to a little corner in black and white, I think. And then this sort of commercial that's big video comes on. I do basically I do the premise is religions should make attack ads on each other like politicians. Yeah. And so then I do I basically do the voice over in the corner. Is there a screen in the theater? No, there was no screen there. So they're laughing because of
the voice over. And then because this is a visual presentation for people at home, I'm like, why it's that you know what analogy I was used is the like television degrades makes you can film an amazing thing. And in order for it to work through a television camera and go and work at home, it has to be so great that it can get through television like knocks the quality down 640% right? Yeah. And the analogy I was using is SNL musical guests.
SNL musical guests live in that studio, I think we can all agree. Yeah. Some of the best shows I've ever seen or heard too. It's like some of the best yes. Give me the chills. Yeah. Yeah. Literally someone you don't even like will give you the chills. Yeah. When you watch them at 8H. And then if you if you're at home, you're like fast forwarding. And that's the difference between like television just makes stuff worse. Like in the room, you can feel the bass in your
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you would like my comedy you should look at it. You would and get influenced by it. Yeah. I talk about girls on social media and guys on social media the kind of hustle per newer thing. And Danny, you know what's funny is I'm kind of doing I'm doing a Hans Ross. I'm doing the clap. I do the clap basically. And it took me like a year before I'm like I'm doing. I just was doing it and then I realized like I'm doing Hans and I'm without the exit.
But I cut to when I'm doing the like what's up guys you want to make money. I go to like a frame, you know, like the nine 16 frame. So just trying to help myself on television. Yeah. Yeah. It's and it's like it's less of a man's. It's less of a job. It's less than one man standing there. Nothing happening. If you do think of that way because on the last special when I went into the inner sanctum, they said, well, that max people last 12 15 minutes. And if you designed your standup,
like the audience, the physical audience is going to start leaving. You would really front load it. And the get the way to win the game show is that you keep them longer than anyone else. But about your visual imagery, it's a little bit to me like when David and I talk on this other podcast we're doing where we're just sort of riffing and stuff. And I'm doing a couple of voices. And then we have a gentleman, young person, edit it together and then mix in visual effects to it.
Yeah. And that's your YouTube short clip. Everyone does it. And it's just very potent. You know, potency is just better. This idea that like, you know, I'm like, I'm breaking the sanctity of standup. Like there's no, no, like I'm compete. I want people to look at it. I don't want to, I don't like, and all this thing about like, what about the history and your legacy? I love comedy. I haven't watched Richard prior in 25 years.
I'm not going back and looking in the like, what about it's like it that we have my net, the one crazy good was on the Netflix charts for a week. I can't believe it was on there that long. I usually it's like we get about in terms of like, bringing the pain Chris especially came out in 96. And I feel like it lasted culturally for three
years. You know, it was like in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah. And even like Mike, Mike Myers was saying like, this is bear like what, what this is is not the show is that we all started, especially you guys who were like, popular like Wayne, if you're in Wayne's world, this is a little different. So, so even like a stark standup special, it's like at certain point, it could be ansel atoms. You know, you just don't want to go. It looks great, but you want to get with the times too.
So we have little clips. You got a jazz number put words anything. Just not just anything. Anything. Anything. Yeah. People are it's Dana. That's a good way to think of it is like, how do I get people to knock away and imagine them walking out of the bird Bill Burr actually said he tries to make his setups sound insane so that people will be like, what? Where's like, I'm sick of fat people crying and then you go, wait, what? Right. Yeah. Every TikTok starts with this is the craziest thing
that ever happened to me. And then they go, let me back up and you're like, yeah, yeah. Have you guys know about toes? Well, I stubbed mine. Has that happened to you? It's incredible. Like, yeah, yeah. I got really rich with crypto. Should I hate myself? Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. By lines. Yeah. Approaching it from like not even sensational. Like, or as sensationally,
as you can do it and not feel like a piece of garbage. So like, that's the, that's kind of, even sailors are good example of like guitars and I'm going to put it down and then I'm going to go over here and it's like, and he's got the. Yeah. He's got visuals. He's got the his closer now with the like, the thank you company thing. Like, it's like any set he's going to hit a screen and stuff behind him. So yeah. Yeah. I do agree. Do do like, I don't, I think it's silly to think
that we should just do it the way it was done. Old fat. Yeah. The purest would be the yeah. Because if I'm never, I'm sure you guys meet people all the time who are like, have no idea who you are. And then you go, I remember there was a girl. I know. Let me slow down. No, there was a girl. There was a, there was a girl who wrote on the daily show who was a black girl who didn't know that Chris Rock had a show on HBO. Yeah. Easily easily. Yeah. How like how, and then you go, well,
how would she know? She was eight when it was right. Someone said, I know all your shit all the way back to grownups. I'm like grownups. That was 10 years. I thought I was done by the time grownups came. Yeah. I go, I got new juicy, juicy life on TBS. My fans have jumped the shark on that. They're like in their late 60s and they're like, you know, my kids sure, sure are fans of yours. They are. Yeah. They were born when wings were what was made. How's that possible? But yeah.
Dana, what are the, what are the bits that people bring up from Wayne's world now that like the most common bits? Obviously like shwing and all that stuff when it's out, but what is the, what is the little ones? If you're going to spew spew into this for me, little Garth things. Yeah. I'd say for me, it'd be the dream girl and being knocked over in the Foxy lady dance because of the Hendrick song is very potent. I don't know if you've seen the movie, but Garth the shyest guy
in town does this dance stuff like that. If you to get a hit like that is so rare or talk about gratitude, I'm going to write that down. What is world and Mike Myers and I and Lauren Michaels shared net profit on the film. And so every year we get checks from that film. Net profit. Yeah. There were no gross players. People don't know that you don't really make money for movies because if there's someone in there who gets 20% of the gross, they'll never turn a
profit. We made it for 12 and it did 200 million and then it did a bunch on video. So that was kind of cool. I didn't want to say, but I took Ayahuasca right before we got on this. This is God. We're timing this really well. I'll tell you what I learned from today's podcast. Before we let, before we let you go, I'll say, I'm trying to think of anything else we should talk about. If there's anything I was going to say I did like that you wrote for singled out
because I used to watch that show and Jenny McCarthy blew up. That was a cool fun show, but was it was any crazy thing you that was my first job in show business. That was my first writing job and I remember a big show. It was yeah, it was like she was on the cover of Rolling Stone. I remember like yeah. And and the Rolling Stone was a magazine. Yes. And people walked out and it was like there were a few cultural hubs.
And they yeah, no, I remember saying during the pilot, this is this show is very stupid and it's going to be very popular. Like I just sort of tell like, oh, this is going to be yeah, I'm so old. Neil, how old are you? I was I'm so old. I was in Las Vegas the night. Two puck was murdered. And I ended up sitting at a blackjack table with Jenny McCarthy all night playing blackjack. That's how old I am. I was meeting Sheppel there and he missed his flight.
Is that how you mourned? Wow. Wouldn't be the first time. I wouldn't be the last time you miss a flight to meet me. And yeah, so I'm quite aged. Yeah, you're old. And I think your next specialist should be called Cortisol and adrenaline. And it's always said Cortisol. Cortisol and adrenaline. Negative, negative, uh, chemical brain chemicals. It should be called be grateful that you're about to watch Neil Brennan's
comedy show with a lot of extra pictures and words. Oh, I'm if I do one. Now I've been thinking this way anyway, it's just going to be just blasting video and parodies. It should be what's the downside? Nobody gets one person complained. Like not even complaining. It was like, it kind of took me out of it. Everybody else knows like this is where we are. So very Seinfeld didn't mention the video. You know what I mean? Like didn't say like, I didn't
like that. Like it was every one's on board. Like we we have to help ourselves guys. I think mine might be called wait for it because that's what every stupid tick talks. Wait, watch till the end. Yeah, watch till the end. And then you go, by the way, I like when they say wait for it. It's a six second video. I'm like, I'm here. Yeah. I'm I know how bad are people's attention. It's very wait for six seconds. Yeah. And then it's very
anticlimactic. I just want to quickly do a quick test to see if we can bring crazy good back into the top 10. This is a great special. It's revolutionary. It has video effects. You don't believe it. He talks about anti-vax people talks about Joe Rogan. I see sex couples cycle paths invented the world basically in drug addicts. They're very, very important. And of course, Iowaska, we talk about on this. Of course. And and Ellen to generous. I have a I have a joke about Ellen to generous.
That's that's made. I think you will like and I'm sure. Can you say it right now? Yeah, I'll say it right now. It's part of the special. I basically, you know, people like comedians are excited to be leaders now. And like moral, morally righteous and people go, is Ellen nice? I was like, is Ellen nice? How many nice lesbians have you ever met in your entire life? Jim Jeffries. Yeah, I go after Jim Jeffries.
I can everybody gets a little something. I'm not even I don't go after anyway. Everybody was like everyone that has approved and thanked me for them. So like it's all it's all it's all in good fun. Yeah. And Jim Jeffries, I don't think because with his Australian accent when he first came on on the scene, he had like a 10 minute bit. And I remember saying, oh, I don't like lesbians. You can be am the best day of life. Lesbians shows up. You're fucked. You know, it's not like that.
Anyway, yeah. Great comment. Yes. Yes. Incredible comment. Thank you. And he was on the spectrum. All right. Great. It was a I'm very happy to be here. And thank you for having me. You were an incredible easy guess. People who do podcasts are really good guests. I've noticed. Yeah, I would like you both on my podcast. It's called blocks. Spade, I don't think you're going to do it. It's a little too emotional for you. Dana on the other hand, I think is is a prime candidate.
And I'm going to send some emails about it. Yeah. I would. Yeah, I have a I have a story. I have a story. Right. Yeah. Okay. Most David has stories too. I don't know. That's a whole no other podcast and where their comedians also have some struggle. We're all nuts. I mean, obviously, yeah. A lot of people do, but comedians I meet seem to have stories. A lot of them, you know, side fell. Did it yesterday. So I feel like Letterman's done it Letterman's done it. And now I've got Letterman
and Simon. I feel like who anyone who passes them kind of like, okay, so you're better. Okay. Okay, buddy. Yeah, very good. All right, boys. Good to see you. Thanks, Neil. Oh, miss you. I'll see you soon on the street. See you. Bye. This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please follow, subscribe. I'll leave a like or review. All the stuff. Smash that button. Whatever it is. Wherever you get your podcasts.
Fly in the wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, General Weiss Berman of Odyssey, Charlie Fein and Abrilstein Entertainment and Heather Centauro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzware.