149: How Microdosing Can Help Anxiety, Depression & Addiction

I started off just eating little bits like everyone you know just to oh I'll eat a little little nibble here and there and then I started to see the benefits but I started to see okay there's more to this there's there's more science to this there's a lot more than just taking a little nibble of a of a cat but you know to do this consistently to do it regularly to do it with intention to to implement other practices with it and I just became obsessed with with everything and all

things mushroom rooms and I just started going 100% hello and welcome to Flora funga podcast with your host KK um I need a haircut really really bad but today we are actually interviewing Justin from Redwood micro and if you're watching the video you can see that I actually have his micro doing regimen that he has made a signature blend and I have been using it and I love it I love it I love it so we are finally sitting down and releasing this episode with

Justin uh you might have seen him around on Instagram he actually talks a lot about integration micro doing healing using mushrooms uh healings healing depression anxiety and addiction with mushrooms so he is in Mexico we kind of dig into what the culture is like in Mexico surrounding mushrooms it's a little different from here in the United States he kind of talks about what to expect with his product he talks about some of his Services he does a lot of consultation um walks you through any

trauma and kind of walks you through how to take these micro do and capsules that he's made he kind of digs into the signature blend how he got into Redwood micro and I I feel like I was really behind on posting this episode so I want to just give a little shout out to him make sure you follow Justin he's so informative and educational on his Instagram and other social media so get a hand on your micro doing from Justin at Redwood micro it's a really nice blend I've actually been using this a

lot um just to do presentations uh mushroom meetups things like that sorts and it's just like the perfect it is it's the Perfect Blend um I've tried a lot and I really like the percentage of 0.1 um for micro doing I feel like it's just perfect for me me and my me and my body give it a try let them know that you got it from Flora funga podcast yeah it just has a lot of good functional mushrooms as well as Botanicals um so yeah go message him at official Redwood

micro on Instagram the links will be down below you can click away and find him and also his email so if you are down to heal yourself using mushrooms if you are dealing with depression anxiety or addiction we kind of talk about how mushrooms can heal and help all that so let's get into this week's episode Justin super excited so open up your kombucha take a take a drag of your joint whatever you're doing right now maybe you're driving you know just listen enjoy Flora funa podcast

today all right let's dive into [Music] it welcome Justin to Flora funga podcast today super excited to have you super sad that I couldn't meet up with you and do an in-person interview yeah I'm super close to traic now at my new place so we're going to hear all the the sounds of nature around me perfect perfect way to connect perfect way to connect and and test our our patience that we've learned and and developed through this practice you know absolutely so thank

you again for coming on here uh let the listeners know who you are where you are and what do what do you kind of do why why are you kind of surrounded by some flora and some funga thank you so first of all thank you for having me Caitlyn it's great to meet you finally and you know all these little little bumps in the road and uh unfortunately we weren't able to meet in person but I'm sure it'll happen basically about me I mean my name is Justin brtt I'm the CEO and

founder of Redwood micro which is um started off as basically just a a maros company and has now developed into more of a holistic kind of coaching consultation integration full service business basically where we offer consultations we offer integration techniques we offer oneon-one coaching packages and then we also offer you know micro do products for those that are a little bit more experienced that maybe just want the micro do product and they don't need the the

coaching the integration we want to be able to have kind of options for for both you know and some people that you would never think would want a micro do they just need some guidance you know and that's what I've kind of realized through this whole journey is that there's there's millions of people that really want and could benefit from micro doing but they don't have any guidance and that's really what they're looking for is is the guidance so so yeah basically I I I came down to to Mexico

to be able to work with the medical community down here do research do studies you know really really see the benefits of the the medicine on a on a full holistic level and and basically see the limits see how far it can go in terms of benefiting you know so many different illnesses and and diseases physical and and emotional mental and it started about six years ago from myself wanting to heal from years of of Western medicine pH Pharmaceuticals anti-depressants anti-

anxieties and nothing helped I wasn't getting better and I just basically had had enough and decided I wanted to go the holistic route I wanted natural organic medicine I knew that there was that out there I knew that the possibilities were there I just knew that I also was going to need to put in 10 times 20 times more work than I had ever put in before and I wasn't quite ready for it at the time but but after going through it and seeing seeing what it's done for me and

and now seeing where it's taken me and and you know I'm working with 15 doctors here in Mexico using the same blend and it's just um it's been it's been an absolutely incredible full of ups and downs adventurous crazy Mission from start to finish and and it's I feel like I'm just now getting into the thick of it yeah yeah that's that's awesome and what is kind of the rules or guidelines in Mexico like and I know people around here in the US also do um kind of similar things to you um but yeah I

don't know how like what is like the legality of stuff like that so I mean I guess the main difference is there's a couple differences and and the reason that I wanted to come to the U to Mexico as opposed to stay in the US and I was working with a couple doctors in the US that were you know lowkey using it to treat patients but I wanted to coming from someone I have a psychology degree I'm also a mental health therapist so I've got a lot of Science in my background and I wanted to I wanted to

do studies I wanted to do research I wanted to see data and see the results and and not do it behind closed doors and so in Mexico it's unregulated so basically what that means is it's not legal but it's not illegal so for example I could walk into a medical doctor's office without any appointment at all with a my bag of 20 bottles of micro does and say hey I'm Justin from California I have this mushroom micro do company are you guys interested in in selling micro does and using them to

treat your patients and the main difference is here it's been used for thousands of years this medicine in Mexico it's it's got such a history that even the medical doctors they don't there's no question that oh is is this something crazy it's like no this medicine works we know it works we've seen it for thousands of years we just have not been able to find a consistent source so yes we would love to talk to you we would love to to have the opportunity to have a quality controlled

consistent source of this medicine in our practice and use it to treat our patients and so I mean I've seen prescriptions with redwood micro written on the bottom of the prescription you know and so for me it was more of being able to to do it openly and not have to kind of hide behind Instagram show my face be able to talk to the doctors to to really see and hear feedback results and actually do studies that I can be a part of and not just see you know results that that Harvard spent a100

million to do a study which is which I think is great but um here in Mexico it's just much more receptive everyone's more receptive to this medication this medicine it's not looked at as Taboo it's not any it's not even looked at as alternative medicine here it's almost looked at as the original medicine whereas in the US it's it's alternative medicine but here it's no the alternative medicine is the the Valium the Xanax the the chemicals that they're we're getting prescribed to cover up

issues that we need to actually release and get to the to the root of yeah yeah I bet you have to do a lot of convincing if you were here in the US of like why this is even a beneficial you know medicine wow that's exactly that's exactly right wow yeah so it's it's really cool you know and like you said yeah Not only would I have to be convincing but my guess is security would be called if I if some random guy walked in and said hey I've got a Sol and micros product and I'm in I'm in a

you know an actual doctor's office where it's not not a not a dispensary not a vape shop but but a real a real doctor's office without an appointment you know they would look me like I was crazy you know who are you you know who who do you think you are get out it's not going to work like that and um and down here it's you know a doctor could be in the middle of a a an appointment with the patient and they'll they'll leave their patient to come talk to me for five minutes

because they're that interested in in what I've got to offer and and they're looking for something like that so much that it's just been it's been this explosive expansive you know I planned to come in for six months and and now it's been four years wow that's awesome that's really cool yeah it's kind of reminds me of how what what we do in the US uh to sell different mushrooms is like going to restaurants so it's like the back door of these restaurants is similar to what

you're doing but like the doctor that's that's just so funny how different that view is it's wild and it's unfortunate you know I mean it definitely is getting more and more popular and you know common in the US and I see it but it's still not at the point yet where you know doctors aren't risking their insurance to to be able to prescribe and

and I understand it you know what I mean these doctors have worked their whole lives for something and they're not but at the same time it's it's that balance of okay if you know this works and you know this doesn't work why are you giving your patient something that doesn't work as opposed to at least opening up the conversation of hey there is an alternative if you're interested and and that's kind of where I would like to see the the medical community in the US go when when it comes to

psychiatry is not just here take this SSRI take this but you know I notice nothing's working and and having these doctors that and and there's plenty of them that do see the results these doctors they they're they know the studies they know the the benefits but they're like afraid to to talk about them they're not allowed to talk about them and that's the the sad truth is is Big Pharma has that much of a hold on on Western medicine and the medical community in in the United States

specifically and around the world but but more so in the US to where we can't we can't even talk about it I mean Instagram put up new guidelines it's everyone's losing their accounts it's I finally just got today my account to be able to be shown to to people after appealing it literally 20 times and talking with a friend that works for meta so it's just this this whole idea of of education and awareness that people are turning into selling and trying to make and

profit and it's it's two different things and and that's what I'm trying to kind of emphasize more than anything is that this is education and awareness has to happen first before we can just say oh yeah legalize or decriminalize this we've got to know that it does something and that it works and that people are okay with it they accept it and they're

educated on it and and that's kind of where I'm where I come into play and my main focus is is that yeah yeah even some of my posts on my Instagram are taken down just because I mention like mushroom products and it's like even if I just say mushroom tinctures it's like I guess it's drugs and it's like well it's actually like Lion's man like you don't even know what mushrooms they are it's it's crazy you know one of the terms that Instagram used was non-medical drugs which I think is the

funniest thing in the world because this is the most medicinal of all I don't know where the robot is going I don't know what's happening or who's looking at what but there's something happening with with Instagram right now where they're not very happy with anything having to do with mushrooms and and and I've talked to a lot of people that that are in the industry and and similar things are happening to them and and it's just this kind of kind of you know push forward push forward push forward

and and collectively we we'll eventually get to the point where they can't shut us all down you know and yeah yeah I think mushrooms are just like booming so much that they're like oh [ __ ] we got to we got to do something about this and it's like well you got to just sit down and get educated at this point CU obviously you don't even know what you're uh like taking down at this point you I've thought about making a a mushroom course for meta right super meta super meta exactly it's

like okay here here you guys here's the breakdown here's the legalities these are these mushrooms are purely medicinal they don't do anything they have nothing to do with psychedelics this is this is you know and and see see where it goes but yeah it's been it's been a rough road I think you know I've I've I've found the the way to to stay safe and and keep the account safe and and yeah not you know put put focus on the education and the awareness and and not

not try to just sell sell sell and you know you see these people with paid ads trying to sell their their chocolate bars or whatever it may be and and that's ends up what shuts down accounts that are just trying to educate and provide the awareness and you know doing something more of what I'm doing and and it's unfortunate but it's it is what it is and you know we've got to we've got to live with it yeah that's actually why I started my new YouTube series uh mush

like mushroom product reviews because now now obviously us as mushroom people we probably get so many of these like chocolate or like gummy ads where you're like Psy like psychedelic but not psychedelic type of mushroom products and you're like what the [ __ ] in this then so I'm trying to do these reviews and showcase to people even if a product out there doesn't mean that they're a good and valid product um so I actually interviewed one of my friends and he

analyzes some of these gummies and uh he was kind of saying that sometimes like weird ass [ __ ] is in there like ketamine's in there like we don't even know what's showing up like heavy metals and it's just like how do people just have the legality of doing this because it's like psychelic non psychedelic so yeah that's that's a whole another a whole another thing but yeah walk us kind of through what what does your setup kind of look like what what would somebody expect if they're uh going for

guidance going for the medicine in general so basically I mean initially they'll probably come across my Instagram that's normally how people find me or someone will recommend a lot at this point there's a lot of Word of Mouth people just telling people um but what usually what happens is the process would be an initial 20 minute consultation which I'll do with every client and that's that's a free consultation and that's basically where I I just get get to know them I

ask them their intention behind the micro doing um you know what they want to get out of it how aggressively they want to go about it how quickly they want to see results their their day-to-day routine just to get an idea of of them and what they're kind of working with and to come up with an idea of okay how can I work with them which protocol is going to be better for them and then basically from there you know and that's just like a like I said a 15 minute 20 minute

question and answer if they don't know anything about micro doing I'll explain you know a little bit about the science and the physiology behind it and then from there basically people have the options of you know they can purchase just purely micro does and and do their own protocol which about 50% of people do and that's totally fine and then the other options I've got multiple different kind of coaching integration packages where basically it's a it comes with a full treatment of micro doing

which would be three 30 30 capsule bottles and each capsule's 0.1 so it's a it's a mid-grade micro do but we do use very very high quality genetic so generally most people tell me that one capsule is is pretty good for them um and then they'll they'll go through and they can decide whether they want you know I have packages where it's just one initial consultation call where I'll I'll do like an hour and a half specific custom protocol consultation where I go

through exactly you know what they're going through how long they've been going through it I'll kind of try to dig a little bit deep as I can into their past as long as they're comfortable and then basically come up with a a custom protocol in terms of one of the three protocols the the Fatam in the stamets or the the two day per week and then it's more just about me giving them tips and practices to integrate along with it you know so when I talk about and I emphasize the holistic part

of the the the healing and the holistic coaching that it goes beyond just the micro doing and holistic as a as a definition when I when I say holistic healing I'm referring to Healing on on multiple levels so your exercise diet emotional spiritual psychological you know all all spectrums of of your basically your life as opposed to just taking a pill as you know like a psychiatrist where it's like no I'm I'm trying to incorporate you know exercise with journaling with music with movement with

you know diet change cutting out this or that you know nothing crazy I'm not a nutritionist and I'm not a I'm not a certified fitness instructor so I'm not giving specifics like go do this exercise or eat this or that but more so just giving giving tips and things that I used in my process and in my journey that have helped me get through my anxiety get through my depression and things that go really well with micro doing things that'll basically maximize the benefits of the

micro do so that you know if like what I always say is if someone doesn't believe any anything spiritual if they're not at all on on the kind of woow woo side they don't believe in any of that at all that micro doing is still going to benefit them on a physiological level and that's the science behind the micro doing and that's when it comes to science meeting spirituality and that's where I think it's such a amazing medicine because it works whether you believe in it or not but if you believe

in it and you put that intention and you put that trust and respect and you're willing to kind of what I like to say is meet in the middle the medicine then you're going to get 10 times more benefits as opposed to just twice the amount it's not like oh I'm G to get twice the amount no you're going to get exponentially more benefits because now the medicine is like okay not only are you entering into a relationship with me but you're putting in work for me and to

get more out of me whereas the medicine I mean the mushrooms they know as soon as they go into your body where they need to go what they need to do they can scan you on a cellular level you can have something going on that you don't even know is going on and next thing you know it's it's it's a preventative medicine as as well as for treatment you know so there's Limitless benefits when it comes to it you know and and I think that the main thing is is to know that we need to put that work

in too and and that the mushrooms respect the work that we put in and they give back tenfold as long as we're willing to to do the work yeah yeah absolutely and I was going to ask how like Placebo plays a role into that so it does and it's funny because I actually did a podcast solely on placebo effect because it it does it's such a it's such a huge thing especially in the micros community and and the studies that show it's Placebo versus non Placebo and Placebo

absolutely plays it a plays a Ro 100% but the way that I look at Placebo is that Placebo is basically your brain telling you that something is working so whether it physiologically it's working or not you're brain is telling you it's working so you're sending the neurotransmitters you're sending the signals you're sending all of the chemicals saying that it's working to make it work so whether it is working on a scientific or physiological basis or whether it's working in your

brain if it's get providing you with the benefits the way that I look at it is Placebo or not it's still working you know and but yes Placebo absolutely does play a role and I think that the more that you believe in it the more that you really want and believe that the

medicine is going to work the more it is going to work but at the same time this is one of the few medicines if not one of the only medicines where when they've done studies versus placebo and non Placebo it's almost 100% the people that received the micro do showed the benefits that the people that didn't they didn't show it so it's it's not it's basically proving that there is Placebo effect involved but it's not 50% placebo effect compared to you know most I would say 80% of other

medication is about 50% Placebo whereas this is not you know 10% Placebo but if you add in Placebo to what it's already doing you're going to even get more benefits so it's like placebo effect when it comes to micro doing is almost benefiting you because you're now believing more that you're going to receive the benefits and you're going to be willing to do more work you're gonna you're going to see these things the little details that maybe you missed before and um and that's kind of where I

look at it when it comes to the placebo effect right right because then you know it's not just like onefold it's like fourfolds into you know the placebo and the medicine and everything else can you define even or tell me what intentional micro doing even includes yeah absolutely so intentional micro doing versus you know I guess just micro doing in general would be micro doing obviously with intention but more so than putting an intention to it but to stay to choose a protocol and to stay

consistent with your protocol and to to stay consistent with your practices and to to to set an intention before the entire treatment and then to stay consistent throughout that entire treatment and from from my experiences this is just the way that if you really want to maximize and get the most out of your micro doing it's really important to stay consistent to set that intention to set an intention in the beginning of your entire treatment and then if you want to set intentions day day today

that's up to you but it's really more so about intentionally taking it not just taking it when you have a free day to go on a hike but taking it knowing okay I'm taking it today I know that I'm gonna have a stressful day but I'm still gonna take it because I know it's gonna this is what's going to help me get through the day and and mainly really it's sticking to the protocol sticking to a consistent routine and and following the practices and not giving up after a week

when you don't feel completely better you know because a lot of people think it's kind of a magic a magic pill or cure all you know and I say if there's not an intention behind it it's it's kind of like you're just throwing something down and hoping for the best you know you you've really got to know specifically what and why you're taking it and then while you're taking it you know incorporate practices that include the intention that you're you're taking it for and that can help you you know

alleviate the symptoms of whatever it may be right I think a lot of people think that it's just a one-time thing and sometimes it could be but um it's kind of a forever healing type of process that people have to deal with and it's not just like a onetime thing no you know and even with like you know the full treatment of a three-month micro do people a lot of people always ask that's kind of the number one question is this is this a forever thing is this something I'm gonna have to do

forever and it's not necessarily a forever thing but it could be something that you can incorporate regularly it's not something that is going to damage you it's not going to cause addictive properties or anything like that basically you're just going to compound and create more connections and further your ner Genesis that's happening already right it's a tool to use exactly and then you get to a point where you okay okay I've I've micro doed regularly for for let's say for example for a year

and now I've learned you know a b c d EFG hi J in terms of practices to implement so now I don't necessarily need the micro doing as much because I have these practices that I've included and implemented into my life and you can use these practices that you've learned and you've trained yourself to basically make part of your routine and you did that with the micro doing and now without the micro doing you're still meditating every day you're still exercising every day your diet still

hasn't changed because your mindset is still where it was when you were micro doing so you're still looking at these things as as positives as well I'm not going to change my diet just because I stopped micro doing because I feel great you know what I mean or I'm not going to stop exercising just because I stopped micro doing right because I'm I've realized that exercising actually is what got me out of my dark place you know and the micro do is the tool that

you that we use to get ourselves into starting new practices implementing new routines whatever it may be and those are the those are the things that get us out of the dark place and get us from the bottom it's the micro do is is the tool that basically opens the door that shows us all these Pathways that we've got right right what is uh some sort of checklist that you kind of give people or what they should know going into each of these micro does intentions so I mean generally what I

tell people to do is and not everyone does it because obviously not everyone wants to do all the work but generally I I have people in the morning when they take their micro do I have them write down their their of of anxiety their level of depression their how they slept and then just kind of a one paragraph in terms of of how they're feeling you know and what they what they're feeling that in that morning how they feel about the day and midday I'll have them go back and

after they've taken the micro do re basically relook at what they've written down and then redo the exact same thing same checklist okay what's your level of an xiety right now what's your level of depression what's your level of mood what's happened that you're you're grateful for things that are that seem very simple and and kind of obvious but but they're the things that allow people to actually see the progress they're making so a lot of times people say oh I

don't feel anything I haven't noticed anything and I'm like well you know if you're writing everything down you go back and you look okay the first day I took it I woke up my anxiety was at a a nine and now it's been two weeks and I woke up and I'm looking my anxiety's at a at a six when I woke up so it's it's a way for you to be able to kind of track the progress without necessarily consciously knowing that it's that it's doing something because sometimes

sometimes people don't feel it really at all sometimes people feel acute effects they feel it in that same in the moment they feel it you know in the day right and then sometimes it takes people about a week or two before they really start to get into it and notice okay that's the micr do that I'm feeling that's the you know a lot of times people can confuse it for anxiety or they confuse it for emotions in general that kind of come up because that's what happens with

micro doing is it it brings our emotions up as opposed to you know suppressing them down right which is in in theory what we want but a lot of times people are surprised by how much they feel how much they didn't know that they had suppressed all these emotions that they had they had no idea they were even there so things come up like this and um and then my main kind of goal for that is to to then incorporate okay so when this comes up what are you going to do to get yourself

away from that situation or not allow that feeling to consume you whether it's meditation whether it's going for a walk whether it's putting music on Dancing exercising whatever it may be for that person specifically but there's something for for all of us that can definitely get us out of that kind of you know thought pattern that obsessive thought pattern the depressive date that anxiety that we can't seem to get rid of that that balls and balls and balls and eventually for

some people can turn into a panic attack yeah so so I do a lot about really you know tools to implement when people start to feel these you know negative feelings that are associated with life in general you know and and and how to use the micro doing to permanently change your your routine so that you're no longer forcing yourself to meditate you're no longer forcing yourself to exercise but now it's you wake up and that's what you want to do because you've literally retrained and rewired

your brain to to want that when you wake up is that a form of integration in a way then yeah it is absolutely you know and and more so than that for integration I I always emphasize you know Journal as much as you can to write I mean a lot of people think it's just whatever but in reality there's nothing better than writing down how you're feeling how you're feeling you know after after one month you know I had people do a full-on you know basically a full journal entry

about you know how you're feeling compared to where you were what you see different what you're more grateful for now that you weren't before things that you have noticed that are profoundly shifted things that you want to see shift more um things that you want to see shift quicker and then we kind of go over and and we'll discuss potentially dosage changes or protocol changes but for the most part most people after their first consultation if they just do an initial consultation and

they're not doing a coaching package they'll reach out and they'll generally you know book another session just to kind of check in and and we kind of go from there and we'll see where they're at what they're doing in terms of you know how they're going about it when they're starting to feel this anxiety or depression or whatever it is um and for me to kind of be there as a almost to hold them accountable for okay did you did you actually journal every day even if it was just a little

bit did you meditate for five minutes did you do your your 10-minute walk in in nature you know and things things like this that are that are super easy to do and don't take much time but a lot of times people they just kind of either don't do it or they just assume that the the the micro do is the answer and they don't need to do anything else yeah yeah there's so many other things to work alongside of that for for it to work um absolutely into your routine so agreed

what are some of like the safety precautions or how do you also Ure the quality of your product so we we test we test with hyy Labs every like month or so to get our psilocybon content tested and to test for heavy metals for toxins and everything that we cultivate is cultivated indoor in facility in Northern California it's all organic it's all natural um our myologist is absolutely phenomenal he's he's a a biochemist with a degree in micology as well so he's he's an absolute genius and he just

loves to play around with genetics so we're always coming up with new genetics but for the most part it's it's testing and then showing their test results to our clients to prove that look this is what it says it is the other ingredients are certified organic the other uh medical mushrooms and then the superfoods we do Source from an organic herb shop you know and I'm you know and I'm completely open with with people about that um and then and then yeah basically

it's it's a lot of it's trust obviously you know there's no way for me to prove I mean I do have the tests but there's no way for me to prove the other stuff and and you know a lot of it like I said is word of mouth but but I'll give my full my full word and and I also have like a a full 100% guarantee on in terms of refunds if for some reason like one time someone said look I take I took 10 of these nothing happened at all I don't know what's going on and I don't know what happened there

either you know but immediately sent him a new bottle and it was fine it was you know so it's it's more customer service than anything in terms of I'm always always here for questions and answers I'm always going to show the test results of the mushrooms that they're going to get so they can see that it has been tested and then um you know like with any plant medicine it lot a lot of it comes down to the individual and to their trust in the in the process and

the in the journey yeah yeah because I also have a friend that is on other like

prescriptions um and every time they try to take something they feel nothing and I think it's because of the medications they are on but I was talking to somebody else and was like well even if you're just micro doing if you don't like feel it you still will probably feel some sort of effects um so yeah I don't know if you've run into that or maybe that person was on some other prescription then it just doesn't really mesh well what's your uh idea on that yeah so that so it's it's I'm glad

that you touched base on that so with ssris B anti-depressants I'm assuming that your friends probably on anti-depressants so they anti-depressants and psilocybin both are potentially not they're basically both serotonin uh Inhibitors now an SSRI like a Lexapro or Zoloft or Prozac or something like that that attaches to a different protein receptor in your brain than psilocybin so if you if you've got an SSRI in your brain your pro your receptor for serotonin is already kind

of filled up now we do have a different protein receptor that can receive serotonin and that's where the psilocybin goes however that protein receptor isn't as I don't want to say strong but it's not as it's not as potent it's not as powerful so the protein receptor that your serotonin actually wants to be is already filled with the SSRI so a lot of times people that take ssris they actually need to take twice as much twice as high of a dose of micro do in order to feel

it or it'll take them about two weeks before they start to feel it and before the before the psilocybin starts to kind of overtake the SSRI okay anytime exactly so it builds up 100% and anytime I'm working with anyone that's trying to get off of their anti-depressant that's what I always kind of tell them to say so in the beginning take both at the same time until you start to feel the effects of the micro do and then when you start to feel the effects of the micros it's kind

of an indication that it's okay for you to now start weaning down your dose of anti-depressant and and the weaning down process can look like anything from uh 25% 50% really whatever the person comfortable with you know what I mean but there are definitely medications and it's mainly ssris it's mainly you know Lexapro Zoloft any of these chemical ssris they they're blocking the serotonin from the psilocybin to actually get into you however like you said you still are

receiving the physiological benefits from the psilocybin you just don't feel it in that acute sense where sometimes people want to feel the little a little bit of euphoria or that you know good mood that you can get into in with micro doing um and and the way that we've created our blend is so that it's it's just enough to where you do feel that you know that you micr do so you're not like oh there's nothing in this but at the same time you're fully able to function go about your dayto day

you're not your appetite's not affected your mood is is elevated your your more focused and if anything it's it's just going to give you more Flow State than you would if if you didn't it's it's nothing nothing extreme and and we intentionally Blended these other ingredients with the 0.1 to make it so that it was something that basically basically anyone could take and not be overwhelmed by the feeling of it and kind of go about their day-to-day yeah that's that's good to

know and um I like the blend that you I didn't really even realize that your product has a blend uh per se to it and it's not just like the mushrooms yeah no so I spent I spent about 15 months experimenting and alchemizing with different blends in different medicinal mushrooms different superfoods other supplements and um and it was all in the beginning it was to heal myself and to get myself off of anti-depressants anti-anxiety medications um addiction I was not addicted I wasn't

an alcoholic but I was drinking a lot of beer it was it was just it was all for me the whole beginning of this whole thing was to heal myself and to get myself into a better place and to get myself out of the place I was in and yeah I spent I started off just eating little bits like everyone you know just to oh I'll eat a little little nibble here and there and then I started to see the benefits but I started to see okay there's more to this there's there's more science to this there's a

lot more than just taking a little nibble of a of a cat but you know to do this consistently to do it regularly to do it with intention to to implement other practices with it and I just became obsessed with with everything and all things mushrooms and I just started going 100% I was in the commercial cannabis industry I completely got out of that transferred into the mushroom industry and um and started growing them started experimenting started blending and and started coming up with

Blends and I would take each blend for about a week before I would decide okay this is either gonna work or it's not going to work and that was about the time it took for me to realize to know if it was going to be beneficial for me personally and stumbled upon the blend that I have now the signature blend and it was it was like day and night you know I don't know if it was from one of the superfoods that I had put in um but but it was an immediate obvious change and difference

between the other Blends and and I said okay I'm gonna stick with this and I stuck with it for about a month and and after a month is when friends of mine were were were asking me and noticing and seeing you know what what are you doing you know what what is it that you're doing you know you're you're seriously seriously shifting your life and then I explained to him and told him and started giving out samples to friends and and then the next thing I knew all of my friends wanted wanted a

bottle for themselves and I didn't at that point I didn't even have the business I was like I don't even I don't have anything but I guess I could make you some uhuh okay and then it kind of led into exactly so I started making them and I would make them for just custom and I would say okay this person wants a few bottles so I go home and I would make make capsules give it to them and then it like I said just word of mouth and and the success and the functionality of them the fact that they

really do work that they are what they say they are and it's a blend that's very unique and the success of alone and the word of mouth it's it just spread like like the mycelium itself it was it was amazing and and then I came down to Mexico for vacation and I had samples and I gave samples out and it was the same thing and everyone was like oh can I get a bottle before you leave I didn't have anything so then that's when I had this crazy idea of okay I'm gonna go back to

California I'm gonna pack my car up and I actually drove from California to tou Mexico and all along the way I was stopping at holistic doctor's offices Retreat centers rehab facilities uh normal doctor's offices boutique hotels things of this sort to basically explain the product that I had and what I was doing in my mission here in Mexico and I met a neuros psychologist in Puerto Viera that basically linked me with with everything and she was she was an amazing amazing woman she took the

first batch of bottles into her neurocognitive rehab facility started using them for things that I never even thought were were something that you could use them for and and then from there she just spread it to all of her doctor friends and then I was getting phone calls from doctors saying hey you know this doctor told me about your blend and it worked for this this and this I would like to you know and and then yeah just kept spreading kept spreading and and then funny

enough it exploded in the United States about two weeks after I came to Mexico funny how that works and you know so then I I I called my my best friend and I was like hey I need someone there in California to keep this thing going there because I thought it was gonna kind of stop when I came to Mexico and then I was going to focus just on Mexico and it turns out that this is becoming a much bigger than any of us thought so got my guy in California to handle you

know distribution and production there and then you know I'm here doing more of the research and kind of face to face with the doctors and and then speaking in conferences doing podcasts things of this sort awesome it sounds like you have an amazing success story with all of this would you say that's probably the top success story or do you have another one that kind of highlights your product and what we've been talking about so my biggest success story I would say specifically and this is a a

patient that had long covid you know and was end ended up getting put on nerve pain medication and she couldn't walk she was bedridden for about a year more or less I mean she could get to the bathroom with a walker but but Extreme nerve pain and she was prescribed gab Aenon for over two years and basically it came to the point where she was you know borderline suicide ital you know because of the fact that she just there was nothing that could work and the doctors were

basically saying this is all we can do you may or may not get better may or may not work and her mom was actually already a client of mine here in Mexico and she came down to visit and and we had a consultation in person and and at that point at that point she was still she was using a walker she could barely walk and she was taking I don't even know 300 milligrams of Gabapentin a day a really high dose of nerve pain medication and I wasn't convinced that I

would be able to to really help I I knew that I'd be able to do something for at least the mood and she called me I think maybe four months into the treatment and had told me I'm no longer taking any of my nerve medication I'm walking completely fine I have zero pain at all and I have zero symptoms of covid it's it's all completely gone my relationship with my friends and then her friends were messaging me like thanking me for getting their friend back and it was

just this huge you know amazing kind of story of not only her but you know her her mom her dad her friends all of all of her Circle were all basically coming to me saying you you've you've basically brought our friend back and and it's something that we didn't think was going to happen and you know so for me just stories like that you know and hearing people tell me that they've reconnected with their mom that they haven't talked to in 10 years or you know I've I've now

got a relationship with my brother who I never had a relationship with and um you know little little little things like that even are what really make me keep doing this and and keep going and and having people tell me that they've you know their life is has profoundly changed and and they've you know reconnected with themselves they now they they know themselves better they've got more empathy just kind of the general you know positive benefits that I get but people really going out of

their way to to tell me and to thank me and also to let me know that they've you know I I tried four other types of micro does and and nothing nothing worked you know and then I found this blend and it was it was something else and and I felt the same way that when I came across this blend it was like it was too good to be true and and you know I don't know exactly the ingredient but I just kind of describe it as that it it creates a a completely different compound than just

the psilocybin itself right right there's probably just so many things you know working together to just make that oomph well that that has to make you feel really good that you you know are healing all of these people around probably the world at this point yeah yeah we've gone to 18 countries we've shipped to and I've worked with I've got a working with a client in India right now another one in Poland another one in the Netherlands we're we're pretty much fully fully worldwide in terms of

shipping and and our services awesome is uh do we get an honor to uh do any in-person like ceremonies or do you host anything you know in Mexico so in Mexico what I do is I host basically integration circles so not I don't I don't host high do ceremonies but what I will do is I will integrate someone that has done a high do ceremony with someone else and the only reason I don't do any high do ceremonies here in Mexico is I mean I do it myself once a year I have my my my personal you know high do

ceremony but I haven't found that it's that that the people that are coming to it are not necessarily there for the right reasons so I kind of backed away from it and i' I'm I'm more or less doing it in a a different way than most of the people here in Mexico because there's there's so many people here especially in Tulum I bet that are

that are doing you know any and all plant medicine ceremonies they're charging ridiculous prices there's zero integration after it's a very it's a very you know come and go kind of thing and and the way that I look at it is where I want to develop a relationship with my clients where I'm able to know them to know what they're going through to to kind of track their progress to see how they're feeling as opposed to just come one night having crazy experience and cow right right

that makes that makes a lot of sense I bet there's a lot of hype with I don't know if it's just like social media where people are hyping it up or people just tell other people like oh I want to Mexico and I did this like whatever ex yeah yeah you know or people that come they they do one ceremony and then and then now they're the they're the facilitator for the next ceremony you know and it's like oh okay so so you did one mushroom ceremony now you're ready

to you're ready to facilitate an entire group of people you know and and that's what I always tell people like I'm not a doctor I'm not a shaman you know I'm a mental health therapist and I do have a psychology degree so I do have you know there is some background there and there is some credentials but I'm not I'm not a doctor so I I don't ever want to give people medical advice I can give advice from my experience from feedback that I've gotten from doctors you know so I

do have quite a quite a bit of information but it comes from the doors that I'm working with and it comes from the research that I've done with them right what is some of the research that you are currently working on or in the future what are you looking forward to so right now what's actually the most exciting for me is research that um this the neurocognitive rehabilitation center is doing on stroke and traumatic brain iny recovery and for coma victims to

basically bring them out of a coma yeah and it and it's and it's something for me that like I mean of course anxiety depression addiction PTSD these things that are I wouldn't say obvious that it works for but they're the kind of top four if you will they're like the big four for what people know for micro doing we coming down here and now seeing okay this can be used to treat cancer it can be used to treat stroke victims that can't talk it can be used to treat seizure victims epileptic

um traumatic brain injury people that are in comas are able to suppose you know start showing more signs of of Life quicker with with mushrooms and with micro doing even if it's just dosing them without them you know obviously with with some type of permission from their guide provers their guy their their you know kind of person in charge um using them for for just all sorts of physical and and phys and preventive disorders more than anything and and you know like fibromyalgia for

example is something that is such a such a kind of confused ill if you will and and a lot of it comes from misfiring of neurons and and neural communication and there's a doctor in ptoa that's using it and studying it specifically for fibromyalgia and finding that it's Works absolutely wonders because it's similarly with fibromyalgia is that your brain is sending signals that you're you have pain here you have pain there when you don't actually have the pain there and

when you put the mushrooms in it it rewires those connections so that signals arrive where they're supposed to arrive so that now you're not getting a false signal of pain to your hand when there is no pain in your hand or you're not getting a false signal of oh I'm burning on my side when it's not actually there and that comes from neurogenesis and the neuroplasticity that happens from from the M from the mushrooms yeah yeah and I would guess that that paired with Lion Man is also a

pretty good pairing I think we kind of recommend a lot of people come up to to our mushroom stand and they're always questioning if we're selling the Psychedelic type where and we say well we don't have those but if you pair uh your own psychedelic mushrooms with our Lion's man it's a good combination of rewiring the brain and neurogenesis so that's something that we kind of just say to people and I always tell people too that you know if if you're taking your your

medicinal mushrooms you can keep taking them with micro doing it's not one or the other it's not oh I'm micro doing so now I'm not going to take my Rishi or my Lion's man or my turkey tail because you can take quite a bit more of each of those other medicinal mushrooms along with micro doing and and you're still gonna it's you're not going to overdose you're not gonna you can't overdose on these mushrooms right so that's another that's kind of one of these misconceptions is that oh if I'm micro

doing I can't take these other medicinal mushrooms whereas no absolutely not you can if even even better if you want to take more you know it's what I kind of tell people um but there is there is a micro do of of all of those medicinal mushrooms but NE none of them are at the maximum dose for the day so for example if yeah if you wanted to get more out of your Lion's man I was go for it take take a few grams of Lion Man on top of it yeah absolutely let's mushroom stack exactly exactly

100% uh you mention mentioning some addiction uh what how how do mushrooms really help rewire or help with addiction in general so more so than anything they actually they go after the emotional causes for the addiction as opposed to the addiction itself so I mean addiction is obviously you're addicted to a substance whether it's alcohol cocaine heroin meth whatever it may be you're looking for dopamine your brain is addicted to the dopamine it's not addicted to the substance but it's

addicted to the dopamine that you receive from the substance and and that generally comes from some type of trauma depression anxiety that we've got so with micro doing the way that it works with addiction and the way that it works so well is that you're able to rewire your brain to get to the cause of your depression to get to the cause of your anxiety to get to the cause of your your mood issues and and then implementing these practices that I you know give to people

or that people find online whether it's meditation exercise a change of diet reading journaling all of these little things together end up getting people out of their depression out of their anxiety and and that's what gets people out of the addiction you know what I mean so it's like if we can people just I'll just take this capsule every day and and then and at one point I'm not going to I'm not going to want my cocaine anymore and it's it's doesn't quite work like

that it's more or less like okay you can you take your micro do and now you've got the tool to be able to implement these other practices and now you're able to meditate daily exercise daily get rid of sugar stop drinking six coffees a day you know not you can have you know maybe if you want your one glass of wine at night go for it but you don't need your bottle of of wine you know things of things of this sort and the mushrooms alone are going to make you have less desire to put toxic

substances in you because you're going to feel it you're going to feel in your body you're you're not going to want it as much so it's more treating the emotional causes and the emotional issues and the reasonings behind the addiction that allow people to see okay this is what's causing the addiction so now if I can get myself out of this state of depression if I can find tools to use when I'm feeling super anxious and normally I would go grab a bottle of wine and pour myself a bottle

of wine but now I'm going to go meditate for 10 minutes or now I'm going to go journal for 20 minutes I'm GNA write down how I'm feeling in this moment why do I want to go drink this glass of wine why do I want to go take this line of coke whatever it may be whatever your addiction is and and you'll see you know you can see the real reason why you want to do it is it because you really want it or is it because you're addicted to doing it because you've been doing it for so long

because you don't feel good unless you're doing that right so if we can get to a place ex boredom exactly and and that's 75% of the reason that most people are start an addiction is out of bored them because they're bored and then they go oh I'll try this because I'm bored and then the next thing I know you know a week later they're still trying the same thing and and and now it's no longer trying it but it's become a part of their routine and and it happens really quick you know and and so

and a lot of times people don't think that they're addicted or they don't think that the reason that they're addicted is emotional or that it has to do with something that happened in their past so they go well there's nothing for me to to cure from my past I just need to not be addicted to this substance and it's like well it all goes hand in hand you wouldn't have started you wouldn't have tried heroin if there was not something in your life that was pushing

you in that direction of you know I'm at rock bottom or I'm at close to Rock Bottom or I need I need something to make myself feel something because I don't feel anything anymore right chicken or the egg situation exactly 100% and and with addiction it's it's proven to be super beneficial because it rewires your brain and allows you to think I don't need this substance I've just been using it for the last however long so it's it's getting yourself out of learn Behavior

patterns through new practices through new routines through meditation reading journaling you know and then you feel better and then you're in a good mood and then when you're bored you don't necessarily say oh I'm super bored I need to go drink a bottle of wine I'm bored I'm going to go do an hour breath work session and then I'm gonna go walk for 30 minutes and I'm G to do 30 minutes of meditation and then I'm sure you're going to feel maybe not just as good your

dopamine level may not be just as high but if you continue these and you continue these practices with micro doing after a couple weeks you'll see that you're no longer you're no longer forcing yourself to do it and it's just going to become easier and easier and easier to where you start to forget the other substance and and you no longer are saying oh oh I really want this glass of wine I really really want the line of coke I really want that whatever it may be and

now it's I really want to go meditate I really want to go walk in the woods I really want to go dance by myself in my room like a you know crazy person you know things that may not really make any sense but but I tell everyone that you know movement and micro doing are best friends they're like two peas in a PG and and that energy that we feel the anxiety depression whatever it is that we're feeling generally is it's built up energy in our bodies and if we move

physically we can literally physically move it out of our bodies and and through our hands through our legs through whatever it may be and a silly as sometimes people think that it is the reality is it it's actually true and and it works and if you can Implement a movement practice with your micro do practice you're going to see enormous benefits right more so than if you were to just micro do right or even pair it with uh hanging out with somebody having a really meaningful conversation with

somebody also 100% I think that's a good like you don't always have to do some of these activities by S I think no implementing them with like a family member or like your partner or a friend that you really want to reconnect with or connect with stronger deeper is a good way to do this too no 100 it's 100% s super super beneficial you have someone to talk with you have someone to bounce ideas off even if they're not necessarily micro doing it's still being in that social space and

like using using the micro do to allow yourself to be in the social space MH and a lot of a lot of people are using micro doing because they have social anxiety so it's almost like this two in one where it's like you can micro do and now go invite a friend to a park and and you know even though you don't want to or you may not it might be the hardest thing in the world for you to to go out and talk to people you don't know or or go to a go to a new exercise class that

you've never been to and but be present talk to people be for yourself to be extroverted if you're introverted you know and and after you do this for a week or two like I said the forcing stops and it's natur that's just who you are now and that's the that's the neurogenesis that's the that's the rewiring of your brain that people talk about to where you're able to literally train yourself to act in a way that you want that you may have not acted before absolutely yeah I actually love

using micro doing for like my in-person mushroom presentations or like inperson events uh just just being able to connect with people that you're talking to more and have like more empathy or just like have like a deeper like relationship without really having to know them and that's that's kind of how I like to use it too no 100% 100% it's incredible for for that for in-person conferences anytime I have a a meeting with a doctor or anything like that I always will micro do because it

it just puts me into the state it puts me into that flow State um for the gym I tell people too like I mean the the benefits are are enormous I have a a client that uses my blend of micro does for his he's a fitness trainer and he uses them as pre-workout instead of pre-workout because he's against caffeine and basically the whole idea is like this is you're getting all of the natural benefits that you get from caffeine and coffee but you're not getting the negative effects of the on

your cortisol levels and your adrenals so makuna purans which is one of the superfoods that's in our blend is a cross between a cacao bean and a coffee bean so it's a dopaminergic substance meaning it provides you with natural dopamine and basically what it is it's AC cross you're getting the benefits of coffee and chocolate but without the negative effects of caffeine or sugar yeah so it really really gives a a a mood booster I was actually potentially playing around with adding

cacao as well just for that kind of heart opening um you know and the mission long term is to have kind of a a full line of products of different blends catering to different things different dosages you know one blend maybe not having three or four of the medicinal mushrooms but having a higher dose of the others another blend having a higher dose of psilocybin so having having Blends that are kind of more specific to individual illnesses whereas right now the blend that I've got is kind of a

General it's it's General but it's also very successful so so it's it's been hard for me to say okay I'm gonna I'm gonna start now because I've got this one blend that I've tried a couple times and and everyone still just wants to go back to the to the signature blend so I'm like okay all right you know all right if you want it the only request that I've gotten is is to make a higher dose blend you know of the same thing which is probably going to be the next step

um and you know I just try to I try to keep it somewhat lower mid-range just so that people don't get too crazy of a tolerance or don't feel overwhelmed I don't want people that have never micro do to take one micro do of mine and go oh my God what is this you know what I mean but I also want people to take it and know that they've taken something and not go what I didn't take anything I don't feel anything at all yeah I find so it's kind of that exactly that that

sweet spot and and for me and in this blend it seems to be at this dosage for most people that it's The Sweet Spot there are definitely people that you know want a higher dose there's there's people that have told me that they're their micro do is a half a gram and I just you know okay so you're basically tripping every day you know just a mega do yeah exactly you know macro do um so basically I I kind of put the maximum I I'll I'll put the the cap at about 0.25 when it comes to micro doing

you know and I think anything above 0.25 you're starting to get into a little bit of a more meditative philosophical oh yeah you know medy dose if you will yep where you're still functioning but you're not you don't want to go to work you don't W to you don't want to do your day-to-day things you're not going to go and cook yourself a meal in the kitchen it's your your motivation is to be outside in nature and yeah and and then it kind of you know as you go up from there of course

it just gets it gets more and more intense um you know and I personally don't I I think that you know there's there's obviously there's people that are full on macro doing believers they don't believe in micro doing and then there's people that are you know I don't believe in macro doing I believe in micro doing and and I think both have a place and both have a a place in in everyone's life and and I'm not saying that one is better than the other but for me Micro doing has been

it's it's more it's more accessible it's more it's more practical it's more something that almost anyone can incorporate into their day-to-day routine you don't need to take a weekend off you don't need to go anywhere you don't need to leave your body so you don't need to you don't have to you can kind of get rid of all the fear that surrounds mushrooms when it comes to oh I'm gonna I'm gonna want to fly and go jump off this building things of this sort you know it's it's not it's nothing

like that you know and and for me that's what I'm trying to kind of because I feel like the people that need this medicine the most are actually the people that are most afraid of it right right you know and and and and the people that are experienced and and don't have that fear and that are in the industry we we we know we understand we trust we we we know full on the benefits of of the mushrooms and that it's not going to kill us it's not going to do anything except for Elevate us but the

generations that are you know one two above us they're the ones that have all the fear surrounding this medicine and they're the ones that I think need it the most they're the ones that need to kind of wake up a bit they're the ones that need to see that Western medicine is not always the answer and um and I think that that's that's our best hope for I don't know if we could if if I if we could ever say that there's a chance that we can defeat big Pharma but but that's our chance to to

get this you know at least decriminalized across the board you know legalized there's I've got mixed feelings about legalization of it just because of Regulation and and how much with synthetic psilocin I'm very against anything synthetic so I don't like the fact that this legalization is kind of leading towards synthetic you know studying we don't we use full fruiting body for everything you know we're we're 100% full Fring body so my hope is that we can advance

and we can you know the the the studies and the research continues to come out showing that it's super beneficial and I mean just yesterday 10 a new study came out it's been published in like 15 articles about um how not only siloc cybin is as effective as Lexapro but more effective and it has longer term benefits and and these are the studies that come out that there you can't argue when you have Harvard University saying we just spent hundred million dollar to

prove this and you're seeing the data you're seeing the results you have 15 different news sites that are showing the study and and that's kind of where I'm at like okay look at some point we've got to accept this is the real deal this is real medicine this isn't alternative medicine this isn't a drug and and to even even stray from the the term psychedelic because to to me I mean yeah mushrooms are psychedelic plant medicine but on a micro do level we've got to be able to we've got to be

able to differentiate micro doing versus macro doing yes and and almost on a level of they're two different substances in a sense whereas like micro doing mushrooms is nothing like macro doing mushrooms and there's a common misconception there that it's going to be just like a little mini trip you know and I'm I'm still going to feel the same way that I felt when I did my high do but it's going to be less and it's like you know and I try to you know it's not it's not that at all you know it's

basically like you're in the mood of your life and and everything just comes natural you're able to answer questions clearly you're able to to know what you want know how you feel you're able to go about your day in a state of flow that normally you wouldn't be able to or you you'd feel stuck or blocked and um and and yeah for me I mean it it changed my life in in a profound way but at the same time subtly you know it wasn't a overnight change but it was all of a

sudden it was just like whoa okay you know the the work has has paid off you know and and that's kind of for me also what I really like about micro doing is that you're forced to do this work and the more that you do it and see the results the more you feel better about yourself that okay I'm doing the work I'm making this happen I'm using this tool but I'm meditating every day I'm exercising every day I've cut out maybe not all your sugar but I'm only eating

you know one dessert a day I'm having one coffee in the morning as opposed to five per day I'm only having one glass of wine at night as opposed to a bottle so it's little little goals you know little things little by little that add up and that accumulate and after a month or two you're like oh wow I'm not having any wine anymore I don't have any desire for that dessert that I used to love you know I don't have any desire to smoke cigarettes you know things of this sort to where your body

naturally rewires itself on a physiological level to B basically being back to square one to where you were before you before you were addicted to these substances you didn't like them no one likes a cigarette before they smoke it you know what I mean no one's addicted to cocaine before they do it no one's addicted to alcohol before they try it so if we can get ourselves back to that place of you know balance Harmony in our mind and body and our spirit to where we

don't need these other things that's when that's when I always say that that's that's when the magic happens that's when you realize oh my gosh I didn't even realize this was all happening but it's been two months I don't I have no desire for for any of these things that I had that were harming me and now all I want to do is go to the gym all I want to do is meditate all I want to do is write down how I'm feeling and and it becomes this thing where you're you literally yeah

you you re your brain you retrain yourself and and now you're you're you're the same person but you're the person that you want to be and you're acting you're reacting as opposed to you're reacting but with calmness and with a sense of collectiveness as opposed to just an immediate reaction right um you know so it's like what I tell gives it gives you an extra half of a second when something happens to process what happened to feel what happened and to to say to yourself okay

how do I want to react to this versus how have I reacted to this my entire life and that's kind of the difference is right most people react to it just because this is how I've reacted my whole life but that's not really how they feel about the situation and if you stop and think about it you're oh actually this doesn't bother me at all yeah it's kind of like you evolve into you know your higher self or the person you actually want to be yep 100% I agree with that 100% you know and and

thanks to the mushrooms we can we can all do it yes absolutely and you make it available for anybody really so thank you for what you do Justin and thank you for coming on today on Flor fun a podcast uh really enjoyed you really enjoyed your talk thank you for letting all of this flow into the pieces of course thank you and and after two and I'll I'm gonna send you a complimentary bottle of micro dois so you can have your your testimonial reviews for that as well and as my my way to say thank

you for your time um so I'll get your information after this and and get a bottle sent to you yeah so where can people kind of get a hold of you get some of the bottles uh just kind of with you yeah so I mean so my Instagram it's official Redwood micro micro with a Y um and then I've got a backup as well email Redwood micro gmail.com um super super accessible in Instagram email I have two Instagram accounts that are both for the the business one's one is obviously the

principal account and then I've got the backup account so I'm always active there email Redwood micro gmail.com and yeah any questions anyone has about anything feel they can they can absolutely email me message me whatever super accessible and here to here to educate also available for any any other podcasts or other events you know if people wantan to want to have me on yeah yeah thank you for being such a good uh educational uh person and just doing all the work the research the medicine

everything well thank you for having me it was been a pleasure well I hope you enjoyed this week's episode with me and Justin we went through a lot of obstacles to get that interview recorded for some reason but if you do want to try his amazing signature blend from Redwood micro go check them out on Instagram and or give them an email if you have any questions or concerns or uh testimonials that you'd like to share with him so yeah I this is KK approve I love taking this I love uh giving it to

people that haven't ever try to micro do and they also love it so thank you Justin for doing what you do and go check them out if you've learned anything today enjoyed this week's episode please give it a like share review it really helps me as a podcaster kind of get out there I'm trying to do a lot more in-person uh events so hopefully yall will see me coming soon let me know if I should head to your local Mushroom Festival do a little presentation I'm trying to get out there

with doing intro to Lykan yeah a lot of people are like what the hell is Lykan well stay tuned and hopefully I will see you at a local Mushroom Festival coming 2025 all right have a great week my scientists and go learn something new today paches