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it's the worst of times. As I record this, both the National Basketball Association and Major League Baseball are sidelined because of the coronavirus, but the two professional sports leagues are hardly in the same position. On the one hand, you've got basketball. NBA salaries have skyrocketed in the past
five years. The average player makes above seven million dollars per season, which makes the NBA the highest paid sports league in the world, and basketball is also now the most popular sport in the largest country in the world. At one point, for a billion basketball crazed people in a country and economy that's growing. It's unbelievable passion that people have for the sport and for the NBA in China,
And on the other hand, you've got baseball. People just don't seem to be as interested in the sport as they used to be. Last year's World Series was the least watched in history. So is this a wake up call for Major League Baseball? Kind of? The World Series continue to compete effectively last year. According to Forbes magazine, for the first time ever, the average value of an NBA team is worth more than the average value of
a Major League Baseball team. There are lots of reasons for this reversal of fortune, from marketing to a lack of star power to the mastery of social media. But if you had to pick one fateful moment when everything changed, when baseball and basketball started to go in different directions, will might well be something that happened twenty five springs ago. That's the moment when one of baseball's worst players decided to give up on his dream rather than to be
a scab during the game's worst labor strike. Minor league ball players have to give up on their dreams all the time, but this minor league ball player was not your ordinary athlete. He was also the greatest brand ambassador that the sport of basketball has ever known, and Baseball's loss proved to be Basketball's destiny making game. I'm Shawn Braswell today on Flashback, a tale of one windy city and one remarkable player whose fateful decision helped alter the
fate of two sports. And a very special thanks to our guests today who joined us via phone or provided their own local recording. Is during the global health crisis in the shelter in Place order, Let's go back in time twenty nine years for a moment. It's June. If you've watched The Last Dance, ESPN's documentary film on Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls, then you've probably already seen this footage the celebration house, Peagne and the Chicago Locker
roll and they are celebrating in the Chicago. That's the Fulls the Lakers. In five, Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls won their first NBA championship. Five months later, just north of Chicago, in Minneapolis, the Minnesota Twins won their second World Series Baseball championship in dramatic fashion. That's Twins are gonna wins. That's twins and it's a it's a one.
Game seven of that World Series between the Twins and the Atlanta Braves was watched by fifty million viewers, double the number that watched Game seven of last year's World Series, and thirty million more than watched Michael Jordan's and the Bulls beat the Lakers that year. So Jordan's first championship might have made for a good story, but it was baseball that truly had America's attention in But behind the scenes,
trouble was brewing in baseball. Fay Vincent, a Yale educated lawyer and the former head of Columbia Pictures, was an unusual choice to be the commissioner of Baseball. He was short, balding, and wore large, oversized glasses. He looked like he should be the league's accountant, and in his first year's commissioner in Vincent was tested as few commissioners have ever been. For the first time in twenty seven years, a World
Series game will be played in Candle Stick Park. The Battle of the Bay continues Game three of the Night nine A World Series, the Oakland Athletics against the San Francisco Giants, I'm al Michael's less than two minutes later this happening, he fails to get Dave Parker at second phase, so the Oakland A's take take happening. A six point nine magnitude earthquake hit the Bay Area right before Game three of the World Series in October. I'm a little run or nine and I'm not your right here, but
we are. Well. That's the greatest open in the history of television, far none. The following day, Fay Vincent addressed reporters amid the tragedy, We've made the decision not to play tonight. That'd be a decision we made. It's a difficult time for San Francisco and indeed for the whole Bay Area. The great tragedy is that could coincides with our modest little sporting event here. Vincent handled the disaster beautifully.
He was reasonable, cautious, humble smart. The following season, in Vincent was again tested when baseball owners started a lockout during spring training in an effort to limit rising player salaries. This is Ryan Eckert, historian at Monmouth University and author
of A Game of Failure. Major League Baseball strike The idea of a salary cap started to ender the conversation, and Vincent supported the players and being completely against the salary cap, and so very quickly he really did not ingratiate himself to his employers that his bosses his employers. You see, in Major League Baseball, the commissioner is handpicked
by a very select hiring committee, the owners. They thought that Stave Vincent would kind of be on their side, having selected him themselves, the owners, And when Vincent came in, he really acted much more in the best interests of baseball than in the interests of his employers, really, who were no one but the owners. The owners can't actually fire Vincent, but they started to put enormous pressure on
him to resign. After months of controversy and speculation, baseball commission with faith, Vincent has bowed to management wishes that he resigned. Although the owners have not announced their plans for reorganization, it seems likely that baseball may never be the same. Charlie Rose was right. After Vincent's resignation in the owners made a more naked power grab. They installed one of their own, Milwaukee Brewers owner Bud Selig, as
acting commissioner. But the owners were only getting warmed up. One of the men behind in fave Vincen's departure was one of Bud Sewalk's best friends and a fellow owner, Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Ryan Storff. And if you recognize that name, it's probably because Ryan Storff is also the owner of the Chicago Bulls had a salary caps
in nine four. Ryan Storff wanted to apply this name principal to baseball because that was working out really pretty well for him as the owners of As the owner of the ball thanks to the salary cap in basketball, Ryan Storff paid Michael Jordan's, an all time great player at the peak of his powers, less than he paid
White Sox outfielder George Bell in baseball. So at the same time Ryan Storff was helping Leeda Coup to get a salary cap in baseball, he was getting a bargain on the best player in basketball, a star who would in deliver the Bulls their third championship in three years. The Bulls three pete was an amazing accomplishment for Jordan's, but he was starting to show signs of wear and
tear from the immense pressure. This is Roland las and By, a basketball writer and author of Michael Jordan's The Life. The process of winning a three pet was absolutely completely, thoroughly exhausting, mentally, emotionally physical in every way, and by the summer of Michael Jordan was starting to contemplate a career change. You know, his father had long hope that Michael might consider switching over and playing some baseball, just change up things. His father would tell him, you know,
you've accomplished everything you can in basketball. So there was a lot up in the air. And then something happened that summer that would turn Michael Jordan's world upside down, and that would put Chicago owner Jerry Ryansdorff in the bizarre position of watching his most valuable basketball asset turned to one of his lowest performing baseball ones. Do you have an interesting tale about unintended consequences from history or your own life, Please share it with us by emailing
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Courses Plus dot Com slash as. That's the Great Courses Plus dot Com slash o z y the Great Courses Plus dot Com slash AUSI on July, less than a month after watching his son when his third NBA championship, fifty year old James Jordan's Michael's father, was driving down US Highway seventy four in North Carolina. In Lomberton, North Carolina.
Mr Jordan's uh had pulled off the side UH two, obviously to rest for a while, and he was shot to death while in his car and was taken to the state of South Carolina and placed into the swamp where he was found. James Jordan's murder devastated Michael. He was obsessed with it, you know, paying attention to every little bit of news that came along, and it made a lot of news at the time. Jordan had long had a rocky relationship with his father, going back to
when he was a boy in North Carolina. He was the fourth of five children, and his older brother, Larry, was a better athlete pack then. It was obvious to everyone in the family that the James Jordan's greatly favored Larry over Michael, and Michael did not take that particularly well. He had great love for his father, but he was always angrily trying to prove himself elf to his father after that childhood rejection, and that anger pushed Jordan to
work insanely hard. It really, in a lot of ways, was the motivation for much of his achievement in sports, and Jordan's desire to please his late father would also be behind what happened next. In October, Michael Jordan took to the baseball field to throw out the first pitch at a White Sox playoff game. But Jordan was not done making news that night. Let's go quickly to penal.
Brian Alright, Gregor, breaking story here. The Chicago Bulls have called the press conference to tomorrow morning, and there's high speculation and report that Michael Jordan will retire from basketball forever. The news shock the city of Chicago and the sports world, but it made sense to Jordan's He was grieving mightily over his father, and the idea that his father had wanted him to play baseball, the idea that he had
unfinished business there. All of those things played into his decision. Meanwhile, that fall of baseball enjoyed another epic World Series finish. Here's a pitch on the way, a swinging a belt field pay back Blue Jays, the Blue Jays, the World Series champion. Touch a ball, Joe, You'll never hit a
bigger hole let in your life. That December, the previous collective bargaining agreement between the owners and players expired, and with Fay Vincent out of the way, Ryan Storff and the owners decided to take another crack at getting a salary cap for baseball. The owners argued that the lack of a salary cap was hurting competition in the game.
Ryan Eckert, the status quo of no salary cap was seen as unfair because the big market teams could just outspend the small market teams and dominate the game on the field. Even with a salary cap, however, big market teams would still have an advantage, so their solution was not only a salary cap, but also revenue sharing, so that the revenues among all the teams could be distributed equally or at least shared to have a sort of redistribution of wealth. But the players themselves were dead set
against a salary cap. They as free agents, wanted to command whatever salary open and free market would allow them to. Meanwhile, on February seven, Michael Jordan's signed perhaps the smallest contract of his life, a minor league deal with the Chicago White Sox. He was going to pursue his dream of being a baseball player. Jordan had once been quite a promising ballplayer in Little League Roland las B. Michael was
just an incredible pitcher. He would often come in and just strike out everybody he faced in that short amount of time. Jordan threw two no hitters on the way to leading his team just shy at the Little League World Series. He was also a pretty good hitter. In a crucial moment on the march to the Little League World Series down in Georgia later that summer, Michael hit a booming home run over center field in a very big park that allowed his team to tie the score.
Jordan's team eventually lost that game, but that home run was huge for him personally. His father spent years bragging about it. Finally Michael had his father's attention. The next year, when Jordan was baseball did not go as well. Michael maybe played in three or four games, but he spent most time on the bench. And again, from what we know in retrospect of Michael's personality, that kind of drop off, that kind of come down, was devastating stuff. Jordan eventually
quit baseball during his senior year. By then it was clear his game was basketball. But the thirty one year old Jordan arrived in Sarasota, Florida, ready to try to compete with professionals in a game he had given up on in high school. This is Jordan in an interview
from that spring. These are the two dreams that I've always had when I was a kid, from baseball and basketball, and I achieved basketball so I wanted to tie my hand in baseball, and thousands of fans and hundreds of reporters to send it on Florida to see if he could do it. Many of the other players were not so enthusiastic about the newcomer. The success in baseball is
hard one. It is a game of repetition. And so you have all these people with their hard one experience in baseball, and here comes Jordan's who quit in the middle of his senior season in high school. Still, Jordan brought within the same determine, nation and work ethic that made him a champion in basketball, and he he had to turn his basketball body back to a leaner baseball body, which he did. Jordan arrived at training camp early each morning and left late each night. As the White Sox
hitting coach Walt Rehniac observed, quote, he's one hard working mother. Well, you get the point. At the end of the spring, the White Sox played across town exhibition game with the Chicago Cubs at Wrigley Field. The atmosphere in Chicago was electric. There's gonna be a capacity crowd today or close to it, and everybody who came to the ballpark today, came to see that man you're looking at right there and see if he can indeed hit some major league pitching. Marry.
This is his first time in front of more than thirty five thousand fans. Jordan went two for five with two runs batted in. He received a standing ovation. You know, he just played well. He had a He had the kind of day that had Harry Carey singing his prey aces and all of Chicago will glow. It was perhaps to be the high water mark of his brief baseball career. Soon after, the White Sox assigned Jordan to their Double A minor league team, the Birmingham Barons back up and
Matt just lesson for a moment. You know who's up, Birmingham, Alabama. Here he is, right fielder Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Let's lesson for a moment. Jordan went over three in his professional debut, but the fans in Birmingham loved every minute. The team started setting attendance records, selling out souvenirs. The fans would break into spontaneous chance of Jordan's gatorade anthem. I want to be like Mike Jordan's play on the field, however, did not always match the hype, but through it all
he persisted. And yet here he was going from an average blow average showing in in spring training over to the humiliation of being a Birmingham baron and not being a very good one, of having to play this out in front of all these adoring fans, and really being willing to humiliate himself. Soon the media started to turn on him. Sports Illustrated, which at once lionized air Jordan's, came out with a cover that read, bagg at Michael
Jordan and the White Sox are embarrassing Baseball. Jordan often kept to himself on the long bus rides across the South and in Birmingham. He had a rented house in Birmingham. But Jordan would sit up there on the deck alone and I looking up at the stars, thinking about his father. And this was really about his father, about mourning him, about reconnecting with him, about finding what they never found in baseball. Meanwhile, back in the major leagues, the owners
and players were having their own existential crisis. In June, the owners unveiled their proposal for a new collective bargaining agreement, one that included a salary cap. Ryan Eckert, the small market owners, we're really pushing hard for a strike and pushing hard for a salary cap. But it wasn't just small market owners. They were also at the time a lot of new owners in the league who had their
own firm views about labor disputes. A lot of them had bought into these teams in recent times, and we're coming from the business world and had experience in negotiating against and like busting up labor unions. The owner of the Royals was the CEO of Walmart. The owner of the Giants was the owner of Safely A grocery stores who famously lay it off, you know, thousands of employees
to prevent them from unionizing. So a lot of these owners had been successful in negotiating against unions outside of baseball, but those heavy handed tactics just didn't work out quite the same against baseball players as they did with you know, like unskilled Walmart workers. Four days after the owners released their proposal, the head of the players Association, Donald Fear,
announced the union's rejection of the proposal. In August, when negotiations going nowhere, the owners withheld a scheduled payment for the player's pension fund. It was an act of war. The owners might have had most of the power then controlled the purse strings, but the players had one mighty piece of leverage, a strike that could cancel the season
and the postseason. Dandy Alderson and this is a quote that I love, was the GM of Oakland at the time, and he compared the strike lead up to the strike two the number one movie of the summer at the time, which is Speed, right and um, the playoffs in the World Series are the hostages. The players are driving the bus and the owners of the cops chasing them, trying to stop it. In the end, they couldn't stop the bus. On August twelve, the Major League Baseball Players Association directed
its members to go on strike. Then a month later and the other shoe has finally dropped in the ongoing baseball wars. The acting Commissioner, Bud Sea Leake, the owner of the Milwaukee Brewers, has just made it official the remainder of the regular season and the entire postseason, playoffs and World Series have officially been canceled. This one of the great casualties of the strike was that the season
was setting up to be a historic one. Tony Gwynn was in the middle of attempting to hit four hundred for the first time since Ted Williams did in one Now Tony Gwynn was getting when the strikes started eighteen games left, playing against the Hardinals, Cubs, and Marlins and Rockies, all of whom had really mediocre pitching staff. Gwinn wasn't alone in chasing history. Matt Williams had forty three home runs when the strikes started and was on pace exactly.
They hit sixty one home runs by the end of the season to tie Roger Morris. Baseball fans didn't care whose fault it was. They didn't take kindly to strike. I mean, the fan reaction was overwhelmingly negative and fans were heartbroken. They were crushed disappointed. The World Series was canceled for the first time since nineteen o four, and uh it was very sad, and when baseball eventually did come back, a lot of fans were still traumatized and very reluctant to go back to the game. They really
held a grudge. At the same time, his major league colleagues were refusing to take the field, Jordan was getting better at it, slowly improving his game. He finished his first minor league season with a two oh two average with thirty stolen races and fifty one r b i s. It was good enough to keep playing Roland Lasonby. He later after Birmingham, he went to the Arizona Fall League, which was another victory. I think he hit two sixty
in the Fall League. Michael Jordan was getting better at baseball. All of his hard work was starting to pay off. At the start of Jordan was not returning to basketball. He was getting ready for his second, hopefully better season in professional baseball. Then fate and a still ongoing baseball strike intervened. When spring training started, the owners attempted to bring in replacement players Ryan Eckert again, and they were
bringing Washta veterans. They're bringing guys out of pizzerias and all kinds of all kinds of guys and also minor league is There's a lot of pressure on minor league players to go in and show up to spring training and ultimately play in replacing games. And one of those minor leaguers was perhaps the greatest basketball player that ever lived,
Roland Leason By. The White Sox were eager to deploy him in various capacities, and he really didn't want anything to do with being any kind of scab or doing anything to undermine those players. The owners were pushing the White Sox to have Jordan play some exhibition games to
retain some fan interest during the strike. Ryan Eckert, That's fact really made Jordan's choose aside, and I guess Jordan's sided with his fellow professional athletes and made it clear that he wouldn't play as a scab or as a replacement player in any subsequent Major league games. Jordan announced his retirement from baseball in March. As Chicago Bulls coach Phil Jackson later summed up the development, Jordan hadn't failed baseball,
baseball failed him. Immediately, rumors began about Jordan's return to basketball, the NBA legend wavered. Then the week later, Jordans issued the shortest and perhaps most significant press release in the history of sports, a two word facts that read, quote I'm back. Those two words would prove to be worth
billions of dollars. That's next. During the year and a half that Michael Jordan was playing baseball, the Chicago Bulls and the NBA both struggled NBA ticket sales were down, the Bulls lost to the Knicks in the playoffs in and we're having a rough season. But on March, when Jordan arrived in Indianapolis for the Bulls game against the Indiana Pacers, it was all forgotten. Now. I've been covering the Bulls for a while, and just to be there and to see the insanity of his return to basketball
from baseball was a very powerful thing. And it's like the stock market of the American sports experience had plummeted while I was gone, But there was something else that returned to action in March professional baseball, two weeks after Jordan's departure from baseball, legal proceedings surrounding the strike were
finally coming to a head. Ryan Eckert, the National Labor Relations Board met pretty quickly, voted and ruled in favor of the playoffs, and that was notably provided over by Stonia, said maaw Justice and sort of my hoar spoke out almost unilaterally in support of the players, which was a huge win for the players, huge loss of the owners.
The strike ended and play resumed a month later. Jerry ryan'sdorff in other baseball owners did not get the salary cap they wanted, but at least Rhyan Storff, the NBA owner, had a pretty big concession prize one of the best basketball players to ever play the game. The Chicago Bulls ended up winning three more NBA championships for a total of six during the nineties, and everyone knew what or
who was the main reason behind it. All the people around him, whether it was Ryan Store for Phil Jackson, all of these people owed him so much and it didn't stop there. We all owned Michael Jordan's when I you know, I just lived on the change that was spilled on the floor of my years covering him and writing about him. And uh, I mean all of us. I don't care if you were a photographer, a teammate, a writer, the newspapers in Chicago, the y I don't
care who it was. They all everything to this phenomenon. So how much was Michael Jordan's worth to the game of basketball? You really had to be alive back then and have witnessed the phenomenon. This is Greg Leonard, an economist and a vice president Charles River Associates, an economics consulting firm. People were really interested in watching him play because he was so extraordinary and um, it really was
kind of unique. In the ninety nineties, Leonard In, an m I T. Professor named Jerry Houseman, decided to look at what kind of impact a megastar athlete like Jordan had not just on his own team's finances, but on league fortunes. More generally, we did start thinking about the nature of the relationship among teams in a sports league like this, where you had a situation where the Bulls were the one is paying Michael Jordan's salary, but Jordan is so popular that he's also driving up revenues for
other teams every time the Bulls come to town. So overall, we found that there was about a twenty percent increase in attendance. This was in the season due to Michael Jordan, and this translated to about two and a half million dollars for the other teams in the league. It didn't stop at just attendance all told. If you add across TV attendance and properties, um, we found a Michael Jordan effect of about fifty three million dollars for other teams.
And again that's back in nine dollars. You can more or less double that. So we're talking about in today's dollars about a hundred million dollars for the other NBA teams. In Fortune magazine, building on Leonard and Houseman's work, estimated the full value of Michael Jordan beyond just the season then, including Jordan's endorsements, ticket sales, merchandizing, television revenues, and more. All told, they estimated a Jordan's effect of close to
ten billion dollars. But Jordan's returned to basketball meant so much more to the league than just that. Thanks to the strike, major League Baseball owners lost close to one billion dollars and the players more than three million. Then baseball attendance plummeted my more than the following year. Ryan Eckert, I think with the perspective of time and knowing what the effects were, both sides surely would have been able to find a compromise. But I think they're a little
bit naive about how bad it would be. And worse than the money problem, major League Baseball had an image problem. When baseball came back, fans didn't rushed back the Ballpard is happy that the game was finally back to that they keep going, and they were very slow to come down. Um, those are very lane years of baseball. But thanks to the explosion and home runs that started in the late nineties,
baseball started to bounce back. Of course, it turned out that steroids and other performance enhancing drugs played a big part in that bounce. All sides, players, owners, and commissioner willingly turned a blind eye to what was happening in
terms of the integrity of the game. And we're just grateful that baseball was back in the public eye until consequently what you have is the steroid era being allowed to take root, which obviously going forward, led to disastrous consequences for baseball, which we still feel the effects of today. And Eckert says, baseball was never quite the same. I think strike really changed forever the way the game is seen in the largest fabric of American culture and society.
You know, the national pastime, as the phrase is used. But I'm not sure that talking to you now in baseball is the national past time anymore. As a kid, a day at the ballpark was almost an experience out of time, right. It's the same game that my father's son and the sixties. You know, my grandfather saw in the forties and I as a kid was experiencing in the nineties, and you know, time stands still, right, So go to a baseball game now is just not the
same experience that I had as a kid. It's just different. That disillusionment that's followed the strike really was the final chapter we've seen now what Michael Jordan meant to the game of basketball and how baseball has struggled to regain its prominence after strike. But just how critical was Michael
Jordan's decision to return to basketball. Greg Leonard again has come back in nineteen was obviously hugely significant and you can really just see that, I think, without too much sophisticated analysis, by looking at what happened to the TV ratings. Jordan's first game back against the Indiana Pacers got the highest rating for a regular season NBA game in twenty years.
It didn't stop there, you know, when Michael Jordan came back in terms of like the NBA Finals, um, you got about a fifty increase in in viewership in the years where Michael Jordan and the Bulls were playing in the finals versus the years where they weren't playing. Magic Johnson and Larry Bird had really helped take the NBA to a new level of popularity during the nineteen eighties, but it was Jordan who truly elevated the game and
its finances. Roland las and By we know today that the great inflation of basketball franchises it was really due to the acceleration that Michael Jordan provided in that regard and nearly stopped providing all of that crater. When Jordan left and went to baseball, they they had no compelling figures. But since Jordan returned, basketball has gone from a somewhat local market sport to a global, high tech multimedia enterprise. The NBA has expanded, as Jerry West told me, he
saw it coming. He told me in two thousand and eight. You know, it's becoming a licensed print money. It has become just a huge cash machine. We don't know where that goes from here. But Michael's return was the shortcut. It's possible the NBA could have built all of that and regenerated all that excitement, but Michael coming back. I mean, it was all over the world and suddenly everything had changed. You know, that's very interesting, Ryan Eckert, what if, you know,
the strike didn't happen. What if Jordan's baseball career was really allowed to you know flourish. You know what, if he was convinced that that's something he really wanted to pursue, rather than just sort of seeing it as like you know, passing obsession, that he was able to give up. Broad said the quickly. You know, I'm not sure, but I think either way it's set up the NBA for continued success.
And you know, it was really a fork in the road as far as the relationship between baseball, basketball and their position in American culture. Flashback is written and hosted by me Sean Braswell, senior writer and executive producer at Aussie. It was produced by Robert Coulos, Tracy Moran, Yorio Di Giza, and Shannon Williamson. Chris Hoff engineered our show special thanks to the crew at i Heeart Radio podcast Networks, especially
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when ridiculous things survive. This is Roland lason By again. I asked him about the urban legend that Jordan retired from basketball because he was about to be banned from the game for gambling. Lazenby says, the theory doesn't hold up under closer scrutiny. All the old NBA players road around on trains. They gambled like fools on trains before
they gambled on planes. It's a It was, is and remains a gambling culture, whether it's talk or betting on any kind of little detail involved in their life, you know, half court shot or whatever. Those guys have bet like crazy. And Michael he was the king of the NBA, so we was certainly the king of that kind of petting. And Jordan's bet on a lot of things, especially his
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