First Up - The Podcast, Tuesday 29 Novmber

On today's First Up pod - National accuses the government of being soft on crime but we remind Nicola Willis they were accused of the same thing following the 2014 stabbing death of another Auckland dairy worker; dairy owners fear they will have to take matters into their own hands despite the Government's announcement of a fog cannon subsidy scheme and fog cannons, how do they work and how much do they cost? We speak with an expert. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!