From Firehouse to Business Frontline with Josh Sattley

Uh , we're not gonna say exactly where he works at , but he's very busy right now . We'll see that . Um , he also owns a company called Rebel Dump and Haul . So obviously , firefighters all have side jobs , we all have side hustles and his is dumping and hauling , so we're going to get into that .

So , josh , just give me the 15 second elevator pitch of where you started , like everybody else , and then when you started transitioning into another career not career another business that you own , and what your plans are .

I've been working ever since for a fire department in the Inland Empire . I've always , you know , wanted to have side hustles . I was doing some small ADU building for a little while and other tile jobs , whatever I could really kind of manage . And this kind of happened upon me when my brother-in-law , who's a cop in the area .

We started talking and we're like , hey , we need to get a side hustle going . You know , cost of living out here is through the roof . Insurance is increasing , food's increasing . I know everybody's feeling the pinch . I also took a significant pay reduction when I got fired , so I'm trying to recruit some of that cost .

But I think the value in creating your own wealth is there . I have the ability to do it . I'm grateful God's blessed us with a lot of resources and so I'm able to do it . So , anyways , we got into the dumping and hauling business . It's something that's fairly easy . Mechanical aptitude is up there , obviously being a firefighter .

So it was a business we got into , we did some research into , we've been open now for a couple of months and it's going . It's going good so far . You know a lot of trash . There's always trash out there to be hauled and we're willing to do it . You know our our , our slogan is we'll come and take it .

And then you fast forward to um October 2021 in LA and it is like a dystopian future type place . I mean you have to show vaccine cards to get in businesses to buy food . You're being treated like an outcast . I mean people call 9-1-1 , we show up and like well , are you vaccinated , don't come inside . And I'd be like , hey , is this an emergency or not ?

You know , do you want our help or not , basically . But then the pressure from coworkers and from the department and from the city , the world was woke . Yeah , it was a very , very woke area . So even going to the Inland Empire from LA it was like two different countries .

La was so woke and I mean everyone there , even fellow firefighters I had relationships with , were ruined because they couldn't believe why I wouldn't take this miracle shot . They couldn't believe I wouldn't want to wear a mask all the time and all these different things . I mean common sense about you know , natural immunity or out the window .

So those conversations are dead . People don't want to listen to that , and it was . It was just weird . It was so bizarre to live through that time and now it seems like a nightmare . But it was just weird . It was so bizarre to live through that time and now it seems like a nightmare . But the pressure was intense .

Like I knew my career was on the line . I didn't know what was going to happen , so it was intense . I mean there was a lot of really intense conversations I had with friends and people who I thought were friends and when the dust settled I ended up being the only guy who didn't take it and got fired .

There was other guys that were able to just fill out a piece of paper religious exemption and that was good enough for the city . I mean , I filled one out . I actually filled out a religious exemption . I went through an interview process and the city , you know , sat down with me , the HR director or head and their attorney .

They interviewed me and they decided , for whatever reason , I wasn't good enough or my reasons weren't good enough , and so they denied it . And then they fired me . They hand selected only a few of us . It was , it's an . It's incredible they even have that ability .

The disappointing part is in the beginning the association is saying our union was saying all the right things , they want to help , they want to do this , they want to do that , and when it came down to it , they they didn't do any of those things . They used me as a bargaining chip .

They removed my grievances with the city because they wanted to be able to have . It's a long story , but they wanted to be able to have some normalcy through the department and I was the thorn in the side that had to go away and disappear and so they pretty much sold me out .

And I haven't talked openly about the union because I've protected and helped , I think for a long time , because I thought they were going to help out at some point . But it's very disappointing to see that all they care about are money from donors and future contracts and future pay and just making a right with the city .

It was like I said , it was a very weird time Any friction or rocking the boat . It didn't bode well and there was a lot of weak leadership that we had in our department and other departments surrounding us . Our union attorney is a piece of shit , for lack of better words . He fucking sucks and he convinced all of them really , and some of them too .

They're looking out for themselves . It's sad to say , but I think a lot of them are very self-centered . They're trying to protect their donors , and that's what they told me . They're like we can't support you and expect support from our donors .

It was something that I was like okay , this guy is definitely willing to stand up for what he believes in and it was tough to see you go through that . So kudos to you . I really appreciate what you did . I know you've been a huge voice and it's kind of why I wanted to have you on .

A , because I respect what you did , and then B , when I saw that you started a company . If we could help any way and promote it and help you out , I want to do that . And then two I kind of want to talk about whenever because of that and I'm sure there was loss of income , lots of stress like that .

That's why me , mike and aaron do these podcasts is we believe that we cannot rely just on our fire department income anymore . A because of cost of living increase and then b because of anything like this or something similar happens .

Uh , in our la county chat guys are wondering if the city or the county of la goes bankrupt because of all the fires right now , what happens ? Our LaSara uh , our pension is through LaSara .

They're wondering hey , what happens if our pension is pilfered , taken away , used to pay for any of this , and there's a lot of laws and stuff that are in place to protect that . But , like we found out , if they want to do something , they're going to do it anyway .

So I'm guessing you said you already had wanted to do a side hustle prior to that and then , once that happened , it became more apparent like , hey , I got to do a side hustle prior to that and then , once that happened , it became more apparent like hey , I got to have a backup plan . Is that kind of where a lot of this started ? I'm assuming ?

You know , I communicated with all kinds of people through Instagram but I , you know , I was friends with all the LA County guys , the LA city guys , all the small departments , and I talked to all these guys and there was others that were able to kind of hold the line with me , but a lot of them had , you know , a side hustle or their wives were some big

side hustle . So and not to discredit cause they , it's still a really hard decision , but I was like , wow , it would be a lot easier if I had something to kind of fall back on , cause I didn't have anything . So I mean , it made it that much harder , I think , for me because I didn't have anything . You know , I didn't have anything established or set up .

Other people have real estate . I know guys do Airbnbs , all these great ideas , and so it was definitely a motivating factor . My wife and I are in a position now and we have business partners that we trust and that we love their family , but we trust and love them Probably should do business with family , but these they're different .

So we're really excited for what it holds . So far , it seems like it's turning out to be very successful . We've been running for about two months and we're getting plenty of business .

But we've always wanted again to do something , and I need to do something to create my own wealth in case there's another emergency yeah , like you said , in case something goes bankrupt or they just show how expendable you really are . You think you're protected as a firefighter . We got this firefighter bill of rights that we have .

That's law that gives us our jobs as a property . Right , I'm walking proof . That doesn't mean shit . They can get rid of you in a heartbeat . They fired me from one day to the next , you know . So it doesn't , it doesn't really matter . I mean , of course , I have to deal with the lawsuit on the back end and everything but .

But yeah , that was a big thing . You , you want to work for yourself , create your own wealth however you can . However , you do that for those days of emergencies like now .

I did a religious exemption , which is protected religious beliefs under Title VII and in California it's also protected . Um , they decided it wasn't good enough and my reasons were the same as other people's . I've listened to the transcript , I read the transcripts and I've listened to their interviews .

My reasons were the same as others and , um , even , uh , when they did , my lawyer depositioned the chief and the head of HR . They believed me , they knew I had sincerely held beliefs and they had no reason of why they somehow could deny my religious exemption , which you technically can't do . But yeah , that was the only reason they gave me when I fired him .

Look at the paperwork . And they just said , hey , you never got an accommodation .

I never went on Instagram or social media , but guys knew what my stance was at the department . I was very passionate about it , very vocal about it , and I was also considered a locker room leader . Um , a lot of people , I think , respect it looked up to my opinion and so they had to kind of silence that .

And so there was conversation behind closed doors with the chief for a fact with certain individuals at that department . I think that kind of sold me out .

Like I'm not talking about the vaccine , I'm talking about like when COVID hit the States , like there was , at least I thought , a lot of just nobody knew what the hell was really going on at first , right , or at least that was my interpretation . But now the dust has settled .

We're four or five years past that absolute craziness , years past that absolute craziness and , hypothetically , there's a department near me that right now , like we're we just were joking about paramedics before this started right when we're at , where Aaron's at , basically everywhere does not have enough paramedics , right ?

So one of the things that is weeding out a bunch of people I know in a paramedic process still to this day is they don't have the COVID vaccine . So I could be a responder going to the same call not vaccinated , walk right into the house , no issue . But this person can't even be in paramedic class because they don't have the vaccine .

And they're saying a lot of it's because of the hospitals and the restrictions and this , that and the other thing , and it's just like how long are we going to let this stupid shit go on . You know , I guess whenever you had no paramedics and nobody shows up .

And my lieutenant was like ma'am , I think it's a personal preference , he goes , you're a effing killer . And I , you're the devil . Like had his emotional meltdown and peeled out . I was like ma'am , I think it's personal preference , he goes , you're a effing killer and you're the devil . I had this emotional meltdown and peeled out . I was like what in the world ?

Freaking mental disease ?

And then I think it's , I think it's got politicized , which made it blow up . And then , once it got politicized , then people could use it as a tool against for or against whoever they wanted to , and I think it was a way of control and it kind of defeats the purpose of , you know , freedom of choice and freedom of liberties .

But that's just me banging my , my murica drum . All right , josh , let's let's switch over to um , the business . I think we've harped on the guns and bacon , our , our , our beliefs so far . So how did you ? Okay , so you went from one one department to the other department . Was there a lag time ?

And I know you just started your company , but when did that start looking like an option in the in the future for you ?

He's from New York , from the Bronx , he's got the accent , he's got the tattoos , he's like a super tough-looking Luigi character , big old mustache . He loves to sing and flip pizzas . The guy's awesome . But he brought me aboard there and really hooked me up because he helped save my retirement .

If you're out of CalPERS , our retirement system , for more than six months , then essentially you start over . So I had 11 years vested time working towards my retirement and I would have had to be put in like another , basically start over .

So that short period of time really saved my retirement and then also it really helped me kind of heal it's hard to be wronged and kind of kick to the curb . There's a lot of um , um . You know my own mental health , my own problems I think I was dealing with at the time .

So it was able to go there and he brought me aboard and said hey look , no probation , come sit in the back seat . We're happy to have you and I was just like a part of the crew . He put me with a really cool crew .

Guys were awesome , really good to me , and we just ran calls and we were running like 22 calls a day and it wasn't bleeding or burning , it wasn't a call . I mean barstow is gnarly , it's . It's like detroit in the desert .

I mean it's gnarly I've never , I've never had a blast and it was a great time to start healing and then getting my mind around coming down the hill back into the Inland Empire and to the department I knew I was going to stay at for the rest of my career .

We're self-funded , so we pay a percentage in every single paycheck , with projections out , and then , when we retire , we get two and a half percent a year . At 25 years , we get 63 and a third percent or something like that . So if we leave , though , like we still get that percentage that we paid into once we're invested , how does y'all's look ?

Does the state control yours or what ?

But had I had to start over , it would have been two and three quarters at 57 and a half , which is kind of the new formula check for that small portion . And , as you know , if you don't max that thing out , it's going to be a significantly reduct , reducted rate . And then I would have had like this separate formula that I would have had .

So I've been collecting two checks from two different formulas and I would have lost yeah , I would have lost a lot of money in between you know , and then and that's for life . You know , and then it was like , okay , I'm , you know the best part about our well , not the best part , but one of the big attractors of our jobs is the retirement .

It's the healthcare , it's the benefits , it's the retirement . You know , we bang our head against the wall , deal with the stress , see the death , see the destruction for 30 years and then after that , you know we're supposed to be taken care of because there's all the stresses , all the stuff that we deal with that really affects us .

That you know , maybe the public doesn't see . Plus all the overtime , all the sleepless nights . I mean when you add up a 30 year career it's probably more like 40 , 45 , you know , and then you had the stress and the beat on our bodies . I mean it's , it's hard .

There's studies and everything in the back when I'm saying , but you know , I would have really missed out on a lot of that . So Barstow helped me out just to kind of bridge that gap .

It's kind of like that's a job in itself to learn how to run your numbers and like , unless somebody teaches you that's a hard pill to swallow .

And then all of a sudden you're like , damn , I better pay attention to this stuff . Next thing you know you're like within five years of retirement and you know by then a little behind the eight ball . So I feel like that should be like part one of recruit school or your rookie book , like let's go over this now before you get too far along .

But all right , tyler .

We'll see .

Like , what's the why did you just I mean , obviously you told me that you were into blue collar , um , swinging a hammer realm , you know , the last couple of years leading up to this why did you choose not to build more ADUs , not to build houses , not to be a contractor at GC ? Like , why was it dump and run ?

Um , there's always opportunity , but also the time constraint of that I felt like was , as a contractor , you're very , very involved and it took a lot of time away from the family so I wanted to find something that had a good balance that I could manage , um , and then you know , dropping off dumpsters and picking them up it's not a lot of time , you know

it's's fairly . You know we work in the local area here in the Inland Empire with the Murrieta , so we live around and work around us .

I have a business partner who's got almost an opposite schedule that I do , so we're able to kind of help each other out pick up , drop off , go to the dump , and so the time really fits into what I have going on and it's something that I can manage . And then there's always business for it .

So my , my , our goal is to get in with local contractors you know those that are doing renovation , fire , water damage and become like their regular vendor for dumpster rentals . And then everyone else always has junk . Everyone has junk that they have to get rid of . And we want to be your guys .

You know we want to be reliable , we're on time , we offer fair pricing . You know we want to be reliable , we're on time , we offer fair pricing . You know you can count on us and the best part over us , over a big business or West , you know , waste management or Burr Tech is that you can call me directly .

If there's a problem , you can call me directly to schedule . You want to make a deal because you got a couple of pickups ? Hey , I'll work with you and we'll make that happen .

Like customer service is going to be through the roof with us , and then delivery and everything else is going to be through the roof and we're going to be able to compete on a level that waste management really can't touch .

There's a few other people in the area that do it , but I think , hey , all you know , the more the merrier , because really there's enough business for everybody . I'm not too worried about that .

I want to say he has like 100 dumpsters right now and he's like they pay for themselves , for themselves in nine months or whatever it is . You're going to have to school me on the cost of these things , but what is the overhead on something like this ?

Look like , obviously you're going to have to have a truck that's capable of pulling it because you're doing roll-offs or you're doing tow-behinds .

That's gone all the time . So already looking at probably purchasing more of those and obviously building out as we go um the 40 yarders . You're going to have to have a much bigger rig to carry stuff like that . These are only 14 foot long , um , but what's nice about them ? You can fit them in most residential driveways in California .

Out here the driveways are like 40 feet track homes and there's millions of them . And then sometimes there's street parking , sometimes there's not , so we wanted to go with something that was compact , that anybody could use . The 40 yarders are so big you have to have street access , and then picking and pulling them could be kind of a headache as well .

So we're not set up like that operation . We want to be more user-friendly for the regular track homes around this area . There's thousands of them and there's plenty of opportunities .

And then , like I said , I already had the truck and then , of course , we went through all the business , licensing and the insurance and all those things Moving forward , things that we're looking at as well . There's a lot of funding in California for homeless encampment cleanups Tyler , you're going to like this . So , as you know , there's a lot of that .

So , like you know , our sister city in Temecula , they have bids going out right now for a lot of these homeless encampment cleanups that they have . So we're looking to also break into that and you know , we have the insurance , we have everything we need so that we can start bidding on those projects , and that would be awesome .

You get a three to five year contract with the city and you go out and basically go out as needed , and you know we deal with the homeless , you know . I have hazmat training , first responder training , all these different things that basically slide right over to what we're doing . We're going to know how to mitigate and manage those job sites .

Hopefully some of those come through soon for us and give us some opportunities .

But where I work , you know they're , they're all over um , in the big metropolitan areas there'll be anywhere that they can hide or nestle into in between buildings . Where you have maybe a five to 10 foot little space , they'll be nestled in there , big encampments , and then you get down to any river bottom and it's like a whole community .

A lot of the river bottoms out here , santa Ana river bottom , la , they're going to have whole communities . Uh it's . It's incredible like the setup they'll have down there . They'll have like a whole house built out of whatever you know , uh , tarps and cardboard and pallets , and then they'll have a bunch of mark two pumps for pumping water .

They'll have volleyball courts set up and you're like you're walking around and these things are burning . You're like , dude , they got a whole city down here . It's pretty impressive , but also kind of scary , that that's what's going on , because you know everything else behind the scenes of what's happening . And you know it takes . It's in California .

It is such a process for any cities to clear out these homeless encampments . They have to offer , you know , they have to do eviction notices , they have to make sure they maintain their , their items in their property , and so it's a big process . It isn't easy for them to do that . But I know that things are being green lit from the top down .

We don't have to mention his name on here , but from the top down they're kind of being green lit to clear them all out . And so now there's there's funding and there's there's going to be opportunity to help kind of clean up the cities a little bit , which I'm passionate about .

Being a firefighter like , I'd love to get these people where they need to go , get them the help they need and then get it back to what it should look like . And I have trash and just shit everywhere .

I haven't run a whole bunch of calls with them , but I've seen the pictures after this crime scene . It's kind of like they crushed some cars and cars crushed them .

I'm not gonna play it , obviously , but it says one homeless resolved encampment leaves more than 155,000 pounds of trash behind . And so that leads me to the next question when you're , when you're sizing up a project , are you doing it by the square foot in the dumpster or are you doing it by the job ? How do you price these out ?

Plus you have to figure in like the rental of the dumpster for the day . So we have different prices on our dumpsters . We have two to four-day rentals , typically starting about $290 , and they'll go all the way up to just over 450 bucks I believe I had to look at my website , but right around there .

So that's going to include usually a ton , anything over a ton You're going to charge extra and then if we had to actually do the job , it's just going to be man hours of how many hours it's going to take my guys to pick that up if I had to rent special equipment .

So some of them , some of the homeless encampments I know , like the Santa Ana river bottom over by the angel stadium , they had to scrape down almost a foot of soil because of the biohazard waste . So , if that's the case , that's going to be a pretty high you know bit because we have to rent equipment .

We got to do hazardous material disposal , so there's a lot more permits and stuff that we're going to have to go through and get to do that when .

If a lot more permits and stuff that we're going to have to go through and get to do that where , if it's a simple cleanup and it's just trash or it's just home waste , like that's no problem , we can do that you know pretty uh , inexpensive way and it's just going to basically be a dumpster rental and a couple hours of man out you know of labor , which

isn't a big deal . So just going to depend I .

If you go over the days that you sign up for on the contract , it's basically 50 bucks a day . But most people are just clearing out the garage or clearing out a backyard , doing some major landscaping , so they'll get a dumpster for two to three days is plenty . You just coordinate with your contractor and then we'll come pick it up and dump it for you .

So it's super convenient . It shows up in the front of your house , you fill it up and then it disappears in a short period of time and you don't have to look at all that , all that junk .

There's going to be some over cheese if you . The only thing would be is if you overload the thing we could have some problems . But of course you know we'll advise the customer before we go out there . If it's concrete we're going to have to use a specialized bin . Other than that , most common waste is not a big deal .

You just can't overload it way outside the top of the thing or it'll just fall out , and then I got to pick it up . So just get the bigger bin . There's some overage fees with that . It's usually 50 bucks just if you go over the top and then beyond that the only extra fees are if you go over the ton . We include one ton with that .

It's $85 every extra ton and then , depending on how far away from us us , we just might have to charge like a full a fuel charge . I mean , you know fuel is so expensive .

She's just always jumping over my fence and getting out and she was a German short hair pointer , so the energy level in her was through the roof .

So the cost , like I said , the cost to get in this was really just me and my brother-in-law splitting a $30,000 loan over seven years , which is manageable . You know , we have great jobs that we can fall back on and overtime here or there would cover it if we weren't making the payment .

But our goal right now is just , hey , let's just make enough to make the payment , make the payment . But it's like with the new year , like I said , we're starting to get really booked out very quickly , which is great , and then we're just managing it . But it , you know , it's turning out to be good so far . We're really excited about what the future holds .

So , angie's list , you pay like two to three hundred bucks a month and then thumbtack , you pay per lead . There's other companies out there that do the same thing for marketing and stuff , but we haven't got into that yet because we want to start making some more money .

The goal of this was not to use any of our own money for it , other than the initials , so we're just trying to get more established and it's great because we've gone out and done a bunch of training , my brother and I , to make sure we know how to use the equipment .

We're using it properly , there's no damage to the equipment , and this has been great because it's just been more experience that we've been gaining at a good rate before we get too much business that we can't handle . So so we want to get there , but we're kind of easing into it , which is kind of nice yeah what are some ?

My brother-in-law handles . He's been handling a lot of the insurance and the business side of things and we've assisted how we could , which hasn't been too bad . We're going to it'll be interesting to see what happens with taxes this year . So we got to talk to my tax person and see what's going on .

But really the hiccups have been minor operational things , but nothing crazy .

So , to answer your question , aaron , I'd work out a hell of a deal . Like , dude , I'll let you park two or three of these trailers here . Out a hell of a deal . Like dude , I'll let you park two or three of these trailers here if you just , when I call , like you handle it within 48 hours or something you know , make it work for both of us .

But if it was just some random person , I would just rent it like a parking spot , like here's your parking spot and 50 bucks a month or whatever it is .

But I that's why I was saying like , as far as business goes , I would definitely be trying to get in with like the mom and pop , uh , storage facilities , because they have to do clean outs and chances are they probably have somebody that they're using right now . But , um , like I keep the one fellow pretty busy with his dump trailer .

You know it's not that Josh , uh , no , no . Well , I use Josh for the West Virginia one , I use a different guy for the Pennsylvania ones . But you know it's , it's good to have somebody and I don't even price shop them at this point .

I don't know if it gets out of hand , but they know I'm going to be a customer numerous times a month or year , versus the average homeowner might do a spring clean out or something like that . So you have to think about that bread and butter versus one steak and it's worked out well for me .

But if I was Josh and I was trying to grow my business , that's one of the places I would reach out . And then yeah , I saw Tyler mentioned . You were saying about yeah and I mean it's simple , just show up , you know , do the . Hey , I'm , I'm Josh , this is my company Like , deal with me , Licensed insured fireman , all that jazz .

But you were saying about taxes and I don't know the ins and outs of the tax code specifically , but I know it enough that if you're facing a tax bill and you need to buy some equipment going into , like it's too late for this year or 2024 rather , but go buy another 10 dumpsters or 10 trailers or a skid load or something and that's 179 deductible , like

Tyler put in there , so that will help your earned income .

It's just a way to minimize your taxable exposure . Have you looked at buying other equipment yet , like backhoes or mini skids or anything like that ? Because the guys around here that are doing the ones I've seen a lot of are they have the tow-behinds and then they have a mini skid that sits inside of them or a mini excavator .

And if a mini skid that sits inside of them or a mini , uh , mini excavator , and if they have a job for , say , removing dirt for , like , a busted pipe which is busy out here , because all these pipelines are about 100 years old , so , like , have you ever thought about , like , doing the same thing ? Expanding ?

Also , more trucks and then I'm looking at getting you know like a hook , uh , hook lift truck or , uh , you know , more of a roll-off style truck . So we're looking at that , hopefully maybe later this year as business starts to pick up .

That's why I was asking Josh , like , do you have any dents and dings and stuff like that ? I think it's something easy . Where the cable lines got stretched out , they probably like , uh , for the adjustment for the throttle ? Um , they were probably just doing this back and forth with the throttle , uh , throttle , but I don't know .

I'm waiting till spring because I just don't . I'm not going to use this for the next couple of months . So , but my , my buddy jeff that I mentioned earlier , um , so his price points , just for comparison . Everybody's listening . He rents out his 30 yard cubic dumpsters at 500 and includes the first three tons .

Anything after the three tons is 86 per ton and he's buying them at seven7,000 per dumpster . You can run your own numbers if you're listening , but if he's renting them out for , just say , 500 round numbers , he rents it out for 35 times and it's anything that has cash profit . These dumpers will obviously last a lot longer than 35 uses .

He's like everything in between , that is , the gas price , the wear and tear on the trucks , and then obviously he uses tax code as well . I think he just bought a new big rig . He's got some really cool big boy toys , speaking of which , I need to go over there .

He named a goat after me at his property , so I got to go see my namesake goat and he's up to 95 dumpsters now . That's what he says . Wow , yeah .

He's like no man like my family's iranian or iraq , whatever that is . And uh , I was like I'll figure like the persian redneck and he's like yeah yeah like he's got the camouflage hat and like the reflective vest and shit all the time . But yeah , I mean he's he .

He grew a company that he inherited from his dad that was a foreign company , into this massive government contract company . So that's . Another thing I was going to talk about was the government contracts . A lot of people don't know . You can get certified to get government contracts . You can bid on them , right .

So if you're able to do the work yourself , you get first preference . Or if you have a minority or female owned , you usually get first preference because a certain percentage of those business contracts must go to these people , right ? So I don't mean to say these people that way , but you get what I'm saying .

So , jeff , because he's a minority Persian redneck , he has the highest designation of whatever it is um to do the work himself . He's not subbing it out .

So a lot of guys , what they'll do my buddy trey's looking at doing this right now is that he's gonna get the um wounded vet , um , disabled vet designation to get the contracts and then sub the work out to somebody else and he's gonna be the middleman making the money . What was the name of the ?

The movie where they're running guns back and forth to the work out to somebody else and he's going to be the middleman making the money . What was the name of the movie where they're running guns back and forth to ?

It just seems like if you don't want to take it on and you have the contacts for it where you're at , it might be a lucrative thing . He's got a four hook truck , six dumps and one tractor trailer . He just bought the tractor trailer .

So I mean he's done all this and probably I would say 10 years , 10 , 15 years and in addition to all the government contracts that he's getting .

So I think anybody who's willing to put the workout and put the time and the hours in and spend the time learning about government contracts and , you know , making the networking , and I mean even if you just go on the local real estate investment groups and say I've got dumpsters , if you need them , let me know , we'll come do the clean out or we'll come

bring a dumpster for you . It's like the guy I mentioned . It's like the guy I mentioned . Mike uses Josh earlier . I think he does it by the square foot and he's got some toe behinds as well and it seems like he's .

You know , he's pretty fricking busy because he's made a name for himself and he's the go-to guy and you always want to be the guy like oh , I know somebody , I know Josh .

And you know , some people aren't going to go for that , they're going to look for the cheapest and it's , you know , it's worth the difference . I'm not saying gouge people , I'm just saying like if you're , if you're the go-to guy , like I'd text him right now . He'd be there tomorrow or today .

Everything is filled up , including the garage . The guy told me he's like I'm going to give you that I don't want to price . I don't want to do it price . I was like well , how much is that ? He's like 9 ? Absolutely . I'm paying for the ease of use and getting something off my plate and I'll make it up in the back end . I thought it was kind of .

I can go hire a bunch of day laborers if I want to , but I don't want to do that . I don't want to have to have my buddy running dumpsters back and forth in front of this house constantly , over and over and over again . I'm sure the neighbors will love it .

If you want to kind of go into what that is and maybe why it is that way .

To kind of help my 17-year-old son he's turning 18 , to give him opportunity . 17 year old son he's turning 18 to give him opportunity . You know he , uh , he wants to get into the trades and we've talked a lot about that being him and not just wasting our time at college but going with the purpose and having a skill set .

But also I talk about with my wife like hey , what if we can develop and build something that potentially he can help run or he can do , or , you know , he'll develop some skills . Maybe it's a company that we can , you know , help him thrive and then he can carve out a little part of that to build his own success .

Because stuff here in California is just again , it's , it's outrageous , it's super expensive . And giving him an opportunity I think would be something that really excites us , but developing it so that in five years from now we've created some wealth with our business and whether we leverage that to do another investment opportunity , which would probably be real estate .

I think is something that we've talked about . But I can't get duty deal with , like with the wife and the business partners yet because we just they think I get ahead of myself a little bit . I'm just trying to think and plan for the future , you know .

You can kind of base your , your the value of the company off of it and use that to get more loans from banks If you want to , like I , the same thing for , like , say , mike and Tyler and me , is that we can hold our little real estate portfolios and dangle it in front of a bank and the bank's like okay , we'll lend you this amount of money based upon

which the assets that you have and equity you have in position . So once you show that you have a worth , people are more likely to take you serious . And I think a lot of people just they want to just work for somebody and go to work and come home and that's it . Like that's their goals and that's just not . I don't think it's any .

Four of us have that in our heads . I think we're the kind of guys that will just go out and make something happen .

I guarantee , if you go into a bank with a contract like that and you say , hey , here's the contract , this is what I'm going to need , that's got to be bankable at some point , in addition to you being W2 to all of these things . So that's the way my mind's always working .

I'm listening to you talking like , oh well , if he gets the contract now , he's can go to the bank , say here's what we have , this is who it's with , here's our cost and it's just . I mean it's a lot more palatable that way , and I think people and it's actually really powerful to anybody listening .

So you say you want to start you know , rebel dumping hall , right , why ? Oh , because we want to have it , possibly for my son , why ? And then you keep asking why , till you get to the root ? And then , once you get to that root , I mean anything's possible . This is why I'm getting up every single morning and doing this job .

Is because of this , not because I want extra money , because that gets old after a while . We all want it , but it's to set my son up for success . Boom , let's go . So for those of you that are on the fence haven't really done anything yet , maybe ask yourself why and then ask yourself why until you've nailed down that cause .

So just something I was thinking of . When you're listening to it , my , my little guy is going to be definitely trades oriented . He's super mechanical . I want to put him in a good spot to where , when that day comes , he's ready to roll .

Your young one's a little bit older than mine , right , but you're younger .

My goal has always been to get to that point and then make that decision from there .

I got a couple of buddies at my department right now that are entrepreneurs and we're kind of working together and talking about things as well , which which is helpful , um , because there's obviously you don't know what you don't know , and so I'm learning and I'm always open-minded to learn what I can do to make the business better to better .

You know our situation here , which would be great . So I appreciate the time guys . It's been good .

So , like for Josh , I don't know what your business atmosphere looks like out in the left coast , but I know here , like , if you surround yourself with businessmen and realtor investors like you can have a core friendship of dudes that are really actually just dudes . Like they . They'll help you out and give you the information .

It's the ones that gatekeep and that are punching up , are the ones that you don't want to spend your time with and spin your wheels . If you were to go back and give yourself any advice when you were younger , what advice would that be Other than not getting the shot ?

We have a plan and we're working the plan and I'm confident it's going to work out and we'll be fine . I think a lot of times people get held up with fear and the doubt of what could and won't happen , and it's like you know what you never will know unless you take that first step .

So I think at a younger age , if I had done this , I'd be in a different position right now . So at least I'm glad I'm doing it now . Anybody in the area that's listening , check us out . Go to our website . It's at wwwRebelDumpingHallcom . You can book online or just call us and get us on Instagram and get us an offer at the Facebook Marketplace .

We're local right now , just myriad . It's a Mecula kind of area , southern California Inland Empire but hopefully we'll be expanding in the next couple of years . You know , never know .