Hey, welcome back to the fireside. My name is Jake. Happy to have you here. We are back again this week with another episode from the Richmond Tattoo, an arts fest of 2024. I think this is our third episode from that show. We got a couple more to go. This one is pretty unique. It's different than what we normally do. We are not talking to a tattooer today. We are instead, talking to a tattoo collector. Our guest today is Jenny Chambers.
And I met Jenny because she is married to Andy Chambers, who is a good friend of mine and who is actually doing my back piece. And if you've watched this show for any period of time, then you've probably seen Andy a time or two. We've, we've worked together a good bit. Jenny is a, a real tattoo collector. She has collected work from some really, really great artists.
I won't remember them all, but folks like Jeff Gogue, Phil Garcia, obviously Ande Chambers, Paul Acker, I believe Timmy B bunch of bunch of really high level, high level tattooers. And so I thought it would be interesting to get her perspective on what it's like to work with so many high level tattooers and what their kind of commonalities were and what their big differences were, how they worked. You know, things like that. We also dive into a handful of other subjects.
And, Ande I've been married a long time, so she has seen the evolution of the tattoo industry in a lot of different ways, and the both the good sides and the bad sides. And so she has her own thoughts and opinions on that. And, it was fun to just to hear her ideas and to sit down and talk.
And while we're on the topic of the chambers family, this is a good opportunity to mention that both Andy and I believe Jenny are going to be at this year's, Fireside Yacht Club trip in June, and you should come to. There are only five spots available for artists. Fireside Yacht Club, if you're not familiar, is, an event that I hold. And I bring you to actually stay and hang out on my boat in Greers Ferry Lake, in Heber Springs, Arkansas. And it's a beautiful lake.
The boat is a 43ft Silverton motor yacht. And, we go out and we do dinner cruises and we paint and we draw. There are cliff jumping, there's jet skis, there's swimming. There's all kinds of stuff. It's not like a regular lake. It's a very beautiful, crystal clear lake with a lot of sheer cliffs and beautiful, beautiful landscape. We get to watch the sunset. We, we'll do some hiking. There's a really beautiful waterfall nearby that we'll go and draw and paint from.
And Andy is going to be helping out. He's going to come in as a as an instructor and, share some of his knowledge on illustration, design, illustrative tattooing and things like that. Only five spots available. I don't know how many are left right now, but I have, left a link in the video description and there's probably something that's popping up while I'm talking. You should check it out and, jump in. It's a really a great deal and a lot of fun. And you'll make some new friends, I guarantee.
So that's it. Let's get to the episode. About. The sauce. First time. So excited I am delighted. Yeah, yeah. So this is actually a pretty special episode because we don't get I don't talk to a lot of people who just have really awesome tattoos. Yes. You know, I talked to a lot of people who do really awesome tattoos. Lucky guy. Yeah. That is yeah. But I don't talk to a lot of people who get really awesome tattoos on a regular basis.
So we start, with, like who all besides your husband, who I probably told in the intro who your husband is, so I won't go through it again. Besides your husband, do all. Have you been tattooed by. All right. So I've been tattooed by Jeff. Gogue Yeah. Timmy B, sketchy lawyer. All right. I've been tattooed by Nate Beavers. I've been tattooed by, Phil Garcia. Garcia? Yeah. And it's crazy. Yeah, that's a real list. I tell me about it. I'm cool. I, I like collecting, so those would be that, too.
Oh, and Val. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No valleys, dude. Yeah. Sweet. So how. I mean, I guess because you're you're married to Ande and he's that, known tattooer for quite a while now. Like, what is it? I don't know if you can come up with any, like, examples of, like, differences and just approaching really high level tattooers and getting on their books or any of that. Have you had any, like, like from one person to another?
I know you want to shit talk anybody who's terrible at their processes, but okay. Do you have any like, we'll start there, kind of move through the whole process of a tattoo as well. Let's see. I've done it the wrong way and I've done it the right way. So I would say the wrong way is, for example, Jeff Gogue. So the first time that I got to go out and Meet him, I asked him if if he would be willing to tattoo me and and he wasn't necessarily right off the bat like, yes, I will totally tattoo you.
And so he said, well, you know, we'll talk about it. And I kind of wore him down and I was just like, I will just keep reaching out. And so you say yes. And of course he ended up him and Ande kind of built a rapport. And, you know, I enjoyed hanging out with him as well. And so the three of us, you know, I would say were somewhat friends or at least good acquaintances. And so that was a the wrong way to go about getting somebody to tattoo. You just like wearing them down. Yeah.
But then the other ones, I think it's just been an association thing. So people when they meet or they know Ande and then they meet me and people actually like me. So I, you know, I do feel really thankful for that. And I've asked a few people if I could get tattooed by them. And the answer is has always been yes. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
And it is a nice I know, getting to like having that “in” already with someone with some relationship where it's like, oh we know you know, we, we have a relationship with the same person. I just, I think about all the people that I know, even our old, Dan's helping with the, with this, fireside stuff now. But I had two helpers for years when we first started, and none of us really were known.
Like, I was not known in tattooing before I started fireside, I, I did tattoos, but I was a popular anything. And so my guys were like, dying to get tattooed by so many people conventions. But we're so nervous to approach or talk to them because there wasn't that like in over. Yet over the years, fireside became like in for them because they could go like, hey, would you come podcast with Jake and Fireside? And that gave them a, a conversation starter, you know?
But it's not easy for people, I think now. And I think, you know, especially it's the industry is so different now. And as far as how people are getting tattoos done or even how they're finding their artists. So when I got tattooed by Paul Acker, that was the day I sent an email and I gave my idea they were okay with it. We booked the appointment and then that was it. So yeah, I think it just it really just depends depends on the artist and. Yeah, I'm sure. Right.
What as far as the process of working with the different artists. Yeah I did and Paul Acker, another one we didn't say on the front end. Right. That's right. Yeah. So, so so as far as the process of working with like those the different artists, how many of them like consulted you on subject matter and like in the sketches in advance, how many of them, like, you just showed up and it's like, this is what we're doing? I would say I always had an idea in mind.
And then at that point, the idea was given to the artists and they came up with their version of what they saw when I gave them the idea. And then that was it. I would say when I did get tattooed by Jeff, my idea, or at least, my idea behind the the sleeve, he could have gone in so many different directions. So he gave me two options, and I wanted him to go with his first option, because I knew that that's really where he was at, and that ended up being the best one.
I think Paul ended up drawing mine the minute that I went in there and got tattooed. He drew mine up the day of. And, Nate Beavers had already been working on my piece when I had gotten there, so a little bit of a little mismatch a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm always curious about that because, you know, I think as a tattooer you get into your own kind of process and it's rare that you are tattooing someone who's been tattooed by people that you look up to.
Yeah, that you're it's like, well, what what do they do. Like what was different. Like, what was it like getting tattooed by me as opposed to them? That's I think most tattooers who watch this have that kind of question, you know, especially if they see they're starting on piece and they see that there's a really beautiful piece they're working up again.
So it's just like there's this like intimidation, this natural intimidation where it's like, well, you know, is this client smarter than me when it comes to be like, are they gonna be like, oh, that's not the way a Gogue did that, you know? Yeah. But I could see that. I could see that. Well, I think I'd have to say for the most part, all of the people that I've gotten tattooed by have been they've been pretty amazing.
Now, as far as their technique goes, I would say that there were some that were a bit more heavy handed than others, and I can definitely tell a difference, but yeah, I know. So you and Ande both have large pieces by Jeff Gogue, and he's getting a bodysuit essentially from it. And I've had I've never been tattooed by Jeff, but I've had conversations with Ande, and then he's told me about you struggling through some of those sessions as well.
So what's like, can you compare like the easiest of these people, the easiest one to get tattoo by versus Jeff, I assume might be one of the hardest that I have, is he not? I think it has more to do with the body part that your getting tattooed on. Definitely. So that was the biggest difference. But I would say, wait, what was the question? So Jeff Yeah. That's where it's like the difference in like in, in, their approach. Like how in and if you said the some of the more heavy handed guys.
Oh my gosh Timmy B, oh feather fingers it was so awesome getting tattooed by him. Well first of all he's hilarious. And he's he's just amazing. He's such a rad dude. Absolutely loved getting tattooed by him. Jeff, because I've been getting tattoo by him for several years. We started and he did my sleeve, and now both him and Ande are working on my back piece. Jeff is just a phenomenal human being and we've had such incredible conversations. Him and I. I mean, he's just he's amazing.
Nate Beaver's also such a great guy. He was so heavy handed. I was going in and out of hot and cold sweats. I don't think that was a brutal tattoo. He started working on my socks. So from the knee down on my right leg, I thought I was going to come up out that chair. It was rough. And then, the difference between Timmy B did my right hand and Phil Garcia did my left hand. Timmy B again, a lot easier on my hand. Phil Garcia was more heavy handed.
However, the pieces are so totally different, so he had to do what he needed to do to get this floral piece done. So, yeah. And I was, yeah, I assume really different approaches. I mean, it seems like Phil is more of a layerer than maybe Timmy is. I don't know, it seems like Timmy might have a more traditional, like, outline black shading, color done approach, whereas Phil I know does a lot of like he comes in and adds a lot of textural stuff later in the process. It seems like, or no?
that's a great question. I'm not easily and that goes with attachment to the technique. Yes. I that's that was given me. That was where I was kind of going that is like, hey, as far as you're talking about long sessions and with Ande and Jeff working on your back, so your back is just your back or is it like a back down the knees or. Yeah, back down. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's, yeah. It's So do you have any, do you have any, like, tips or tricks for how you sit through it?
Do you go to, like you just go. You just, like, grit your teeth and get through it. I would say my biggest tip would be if you're wanting to get tattooed and you're serious about it and you know the things that you want to get done, get them done now and don't prolong the process because the older you get, I feel like, first of all, finding the time to do it is one thing, but number two, the pain actually increases in my opinion.
So I would absolutely suggest getting it done sooner rather than later. I also suggest eating, so anytime I'm going in for a huge session, I will straight up eat a lot. I'm talking like breakfast, like full on bacon egg. So something I love to eat to begin with so you don't really have to coax me to eat all that much, right?
But I definitely eat a full meal before I get tattooed and I stick with having a drink, staying hydrated throughout the tattoo, making sure that I'm eating something kind of sweet in between. And then to be honest, I will keep up with the ibuprofen throughout, so I'll take like two ibuprofen. Before we start, let me take a break. I might take two more. And then when we end, I'll take two more. So yeah, that's been a huge help. Right? Do you notice the difference
if you're not paying attention a lot to their processes? Maybe not. But like Ande and I for example, both use Bactine in the process. We use it differently. Ande, You know, he'll he'll tattoo me for a few hours and then we'll we're going to take a break. He'll saturated with bactine let it set and we come back. It's much nicer for a period of time. But he wants to, like, get through a big section, then bactine it. I tend to use it throughout the process.
But as someone who, you know, no one has ever tattooed me the way that I we using bactine the way that I use it. So I don't know if my process is better or worse. I know that I know how it works with Ande because I get tattooed by Ande. Do you do you notice like have you paid attention to like, who uses things like lidocaine and who doesn't and how they use it or anything like that? Yes. And I would say that probably both Jeff and Ande use Bactine the same way.
So you're going to go through those first few hours breaking the skin up and before they even use anything like that. And I think it's at this point, I think it's the best way to go because it is it's super beneficial throughout the tattoo. Yeah. Or at least while you're getting tattooed to, to have it. Yeah. And it gives you I think one thing about the way that Ande uses it, which is, like I said, it's different than mine. It's like you're toughing it out, your toughing it out.
So you have this like you're either your pain like level is creeping creeping, creeping getting worse. But you have this thing to look forward to where it's like, we're going to take a bathroom break and it's going to get sprayed down and it's going to be easier for a period of time. Whereas the way that I use it, where I'm trying to keep people from hitting that high pain level, whatever it's at, it's kind of where it's going to be. It's not going to get better, because you know what I mean?
Because like, I've used it the whole time. So if it's not working right now, it's not going to work better in an hour or two, right? You know, so that's why I wonder, I kind of play around with maybe changing my approach a little bit more towards that way, where I don't use it as much early on, and definitely that skin has to be broken for it to do anything.
Same. Yeah. I mean, I was kind of hoping that at some point in time that I would just be able to master sitting through, you know, 8 or 9 hours. And that is not the case. And especially after having a baby, I thought for sure I was like, oh my gosh, if I can do this, I can totally keep getting tattooed. Yeah. So when they start coming out with a technique where tattooing doesn't hurt anymore, that would be really nice so that I could get the rest of my work finished.
Yeah, more and more of my clients come in like pre wrapped with lidocaine. I'm not a big fan of it. I think the skin's weird and rubbery and and I spend so much time trying to wipe it off because I'm nervous about what's in it. Exactly. I've got the skin all irritated before I even start tattooing, because I'm, like, scrubbing that shit out of it, trying to get all the sticky lidocane off, you know? Yeah, that's no bueno. No. Good. But that's. But a lot of people do it.
And even if I say I'd rather you didn't, you know, they're like, well, just use a little, you know, just gets me through. But so I don't fight people on it. But I'm definitely not a fan of it. But, you know, sometimes it doesn't really make any difference. I don't notice a lot of times, like, I wipe all that stuff off and in five minutes end of the tattoo, they're like, oh, it's great. I don't feel a thing. But 45 minutes into the tattoo, they're struggling.
That's all I see. That's it didn't work. That wasn't worth what you just went through to get it all slathered on there and wrap your body for two hours. And I bet you it's a placebo thing. I think so too. I have never done that. I'll say my husband won’t let me do that. So that's I haven't done it at all. Right. Yeah, yeah. So let's let's change gears a little bit and talk about kind of, so you and Ande been married for how long are dating, married, everything.
Oh. So what's the. We've been married for 13 years. We actually just celebrated 13 years of marriage. But this year has been 20 years altogether, so I thought it was around 20 years. Yeah. And so he's been tattooing most all of that time. All that time. So you witness because you guys used to do probably a lot more shows than you do now. In so you've witnessed a big kind of evolution of tattooing.
And we've talked a little bit, you and I, about just like, tattoo kind of culture and evolution of that, like what? What have you. If you could like any kind of, like, can concise idea what, what tattooing was like when you went to the early conventions with Andy as opposed to this convention today? Wow, that's such a great question. I think first, getting into the tattoo industry, it was still kind of taboo. And I think especially, when it came to tattooing, it was more or less your magazine.
So the way that we found out about our artists was through magazines and then of course, like going to the conventions and stuff like that. And then, you know, there was still a bit of a stigma as far as, you know, what is okay to get tattooed, what isn’t and should women be tattooed heavily? Should they not? And so I think what's been amazing about this industry is the way that it has become so much more fluid.
So I think once tattoo hit mainstream media, and when you started seeing it in the TV shows, that really took tattooing from kind of this base level to bringing it up into a plateau, it really shed a a limelight on it where people were going, oh, this isn't just for either. Like there's a stereotype of people that get tattoos. And so, I think that kind of broke the mold and it shed this light on it. And so now tattooing became really, in a sense, cool.
And so it was amazing to see the amount of artists that were highlighted through TV. But then you add on social media and then tattooing completely changes from from there. And I even think even now, like it continues to grow. The industry is growing. The amount of people that are tattooing, the amount of talent is just it is phenomenal. So it has been a wild journey, especially not not as an artist, but as a wife.
Being able to watch this from a totally different perspective and just see how awesome people are, how art is so it just takes on so many different nuances and different, wow, just styles and everything.
So yeah, it's it's funny when when the shows first started, I, I, I discounted them a lot and I thought it was kind of silly and funny that people would pay attention to what was happening in a tattoo shop or somewhere, even before competition shows, just like shows in the shop where they're you. But what people were seeing was like the consultation process for people who had never been in a tattoo shop. They're like, oh, actually drawing.
So it's not all just off the wall. They're drawing stuff. Oh, they can draw or, you know, and then and so that did a lot of things. First off, it opened the clientele up. So like we were just Dan was actually just talking about, it's hard to tell who who's a tattooer here and who's a collector because there are so many collectors that have their necks and faces like, or heavily tattooed. We're just some guy yesterday we're talking to and he's, like completely covered in tattoos.
He's a civil engineer. That's like, yeah, that's tattoo collectors today. You know, it's like there's not bikers. It's like civil engineers, you know. And I think those shows had more to do with that than I gave credit for on the front. I just didn't see that coming from it. I thought it was silly. That was definitely, I think, a really beautiful side of the shows. But I think on the other side of that was that people didn't realize that artists were people outside of that.
And so you had people thinking it was this total party lifestyle.
And I think that was sometimes was really hard, especially, I think, for Tattooers, but also tattooers in relationships as well, that you're they were sometimes feeling you kind of had to keep up with this perceived reality, which in all reality, if a lot of these guys, you're you're coming home and you've got kids and you still have bills to pay, you know, like the partying lifestyle is, and that's not what this whole industry is about.
You know, especially I watch my husband, you know, late at night. He is up drawing and, you know, scrapping an idea and starting again. And, you know, he put so much time and effort into that. And that's what people don't see. Right. And it is, you know, you guys you included. But Ande you know all these tattooers out here, the amount of time and effort that they put into creating these custom pieces is you never know that through a social media page or even through a TV.
So it's it's a lot of hard work. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a good point. And important boy, it's one of those things that like, you'll hear sometimes snide comments, but sometimes just genuine comments are like, like I tattoo, a nurse in the trauma unit has been a nurse 30 plus years. And at the end of the day, when he pays the bill, he's just like, it's crazy that you make so much more money than me. And I say people's lives all day, and I'm like, what is kind of crazy?
But not not as crazy as it seems, because he doesn't mean it in a mean way, I know, but like, not as crazy as it seems because you went to work and made when you left work. That was the end of the day. Like, I understand you wrote a big check for six hours, but I'm like 25 hours into this drawing before we ever set up a tattoo machine, you know? And that's the one thing I think people don't realize. Sometimes when I see now the, where how social is on the stories and reels and stuff.
So people are showing more of their process, you know, maybe that helps a little bit. Sometimes it makes that process look super seamless and easy, right. Which you know as well as I do. Yeah. That's not right. Yeah. It's like, you know, over the shoulder drawing on your iPad stencil being printed, finished tattoo. And you're like, well kind of oh that's like yeah, I'll never forget when I had, I had a tattooer come up to Ande and I and actually ask us, they said, how do you do this?
And we, we looked at him and we said, how do we do what? And they were like this. Like, how do you do a relationship within tattooing? And, you know, we kind of looked at each other and I know that first words out of my mouth was it's a lot of grace you know, because tattooing is so solo, you know, there's not much that I can do to really help Ande with the things that he does. So, you know, it's a lot of grace. It's a lot of patience. It's, a lot of just understanding, supporting him.
I mean, he's been doing this for a really long time, and I've been there from the beginning. I actually met him as an apprentice. But when he first started tattooing, and I've been there through all of it, through the crazy seasons and the hard seasons and a really good season on. So, yeah, it's work, but it's work that is so worth it. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Especially you see, I mean you meet so many people you see. Like what the end, the end result of a lot of his work is so impressive.
You know, it's like for all of his work, he's awesome. It's so impressive. It's funny, I, I I'll, I'll say things occasionally, like, I'll see paintings that people put up or work. It's not tattoo related. And I'll, like, say something to my wife about like, like I need to make more time in the draw. And she's like, all you do is draw. What are you talking about? I'm like, all I do is, like, fumble through tattoos. I need to be a better tattooer draw tattoo drawer.
So that I can work on fun stuff more often, you know, but I'm separating it in my mind. But from her perspective, she's like, what do you mean? Find time to draw? Like, I don't ever see you not drawing, but like. But it's a different thing, you know, to me. Yeah, well, it's funny because Andy will kind of say the same thing. Like, I just wish. I wish I had more time to paint. I wish I had more time to draw. Well, you know, that stuff that you guys are working on that's specific for a client.
That's what they want. So as far as I know that he is brimming with just ideas and concepts and everything like that. But to be able to have the time to do the work that he wants to do versus the work that he needs to do for an upcoming client, unfortunately, there isn't on the lot of time for him to do that personal stuff. He is very task driven, work driven to create the best piece that he possibly can. So I can kind of see it. Yeah, yeah.
And then a lot of that, you were talking about the family side of it. You know, it's funny how many like I I'll forget about it. But we'll be tattooing like on a Saturday night or something. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go get dinner afterwards. I'm traveling in the tattooed and is like, yeah, it's like, if we can get out of here in time, but we have to be somewhere in six in the morning because we've volunteer on Sundays at Other Thing or whatever. It's like, oh yeah, it's crazy.
I have this whole other like, like you have to get up to volunteer at 6:00 on a Sunday. You tattooed until 730 or 8 on Saturday night. And there's probably drawings that need to be done in between that as well, you know, so I yeah, I'm well I mean I'm thankful now because the schedule is a lot better now. I mean, for the first several years of our relationship, we saw each other one day a week. You know, he worked Tuesday through Saturday. I worked Monday through Friday.
And so we only saw each other on Sundays. His first boss was very a very interesting guy. I'm trying to not throw him under the bus, but just worked him like crazy. And so he'd get home at, you know, two, three, 4:00 in the morning. And then that's when I'm getting up and I'm getting ready to go to work. So his schedule now, thank God, is definitely more beneficial. It's more helpful. It's more healthy for our family.
And he gets to have more dad moments with our daughter, which is and him and I get to have a little bit more time together now. And that's also, you know, I'm so thankful for that. I'm thankful that he values our relationship, that he values our family, he values our marriage. So, you know, that definitely helps. Yeah. Sometimes it's tough when when there are, you know, when everything is urgent, like the drawing has to be done for a client.
It's tough to separate like important and urgent and you know, and like, you know, you know, I forget Ashland's age, but, like, she's only that age for a certain period of time. And then and then it's gone. And then all you all you have. Luckily now we have cell phones that have some recording of them at three or 4 or 5 years old. So you're like, oh, I remember what she had that laugh. You know, I remember when it was that little thing.
But it's still it's like it's so fleeting and, and when there's urgent stuff in the way, it's so easy to miss. It's it's easy. It's easier to keep in mind when you're 50 years old than it is when you're a 25 year old tattooer with a young kid. Right. But, yeah, a very 25 year old tattooers with a kid. It's, you know, it's it's important. I know it's hard to think that it's important, but it is, I think.
Fine, probably trying to find balance in life for really anyone today is such a hard thing to do because we're such, we're a consumer society and everything is so incredibly fast paced and it's, you know, we got to get to the work day and we got to get to the next thing on our to do list, and we've got to do all these things. And so, you know, trying to find the balance of living while you're still working, try and do it now before you look back and realize that you spent your life working away.
I know I did that for such a long time. I worked two jobs and I was going to college, and so I missed out on so many things because I did that. Though now, thankfully in our daughter, she's she's just such a blessing. She's totally. Our lives are so different now because of her, I couldn't be I couldn't be more thankful. Honestly. We it's forced us to slow down by.
And we need that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's so fortunate, you know, that happened when you were, you know, far enough along in your life that you actually were able to recognize it. My, my, my first son was born. He was four months old when I graduated high school. And I think I'm a much so much better of a dad to Max.
And I was the justice because I remember now I can visualize the things that I miss, like when Max is an age, I'm trying to picture justice, at that age, and I'm like, man, I was kind of I know it was happening at that point in time. I was doing this, this and this, and I, like I dropped him off at school. I went to tattoo, like whenever he was getting out of school. I was starting tattooing. By the time I got home, he was already in bed. And that was like.
So my relationship for a several year period was dropping him off at school in the morning. That was all I got, you know, and at the time, I wasn't thinking about it because I was 23, you know. Right. And so but now, you know, at 48, I'm like, oh yeah, pay attention to this. Like, this is only it's only happens for a minute, you know, and yeah. Yeah. So right, there's no hood like Parenthood. That is a wild, crazy, amazing ride. So yeah. Yeah, yeah, it definitely.
well sweet what an interesting perspective. I'm glad we I'm glad we sat down and did this. I don't ever get I don't ever get that perspective. Like, it's rare that, you know, we sit down and talk about drawing pictures a lot me and whoever I'm talking to, but rarely about all the stuff that makes it possible to, you know, to draw good pictures. So I love the tattoo community, you know, and, and I've seen the really dark sides of it.
So but the there's, there's so much good and we've met such incredible people. I've had an opportunity to meet so many incredible people. And I know my heart is just to see this be the healthiest community. And that's not just physically, you know, I want to see relationships and this community be healthy and marriages be healthy and families be healthy in this community. It can happen. I know that there's probably been it can sometimes get a bad rap. And yeah, it's it's not the easiest.
But this is such an amazing, amazing community full of amazing people. And I just, I'm happy to share. Have made it be a part of it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy that we met. That's awesome and there came across. I do need to get to how many, how many like fresh photos of all these pieces we talked about. You still have. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. I would have to ask Ande. Yeah. There's like, I'm trying to think about B-roll to lay over this and like, oh, we have to see some.
You can't just throw all those names out and not So any of the tattoos so have to find something. Maybe I was getting old photos I so I know and usually conventions are ice boxes. So I come at they have like a Snuggie booth up in here. They’d make so much money because now I got to come in like fully clothed, right? Yeah, yeah. Back in the days to bare them all but not know I'm a little smarter now and I don't like being cold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Breathe. Understand?
Saying. sweet Thank you Jenny, I enjoyed it. Well, absolutely. Any time. All right. Thank you guys. We'll see you next time. There you go. Thank you again for supporting what we do. Thank you to Jesse Smith and Richmond Tattoo and Arts Festival. Definitely come out next year and check out that show if you, if you can. It's a great, great show. Thanks to Jenny, for spending a little bit of time with us. What else? I guess that's it. We'll see you next time. Thanks.