Fire Escape Cast #90

Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. I am Mike Bahardy. It is episode ninety here as always with Dan Riker, Hello and Mary kish No. See which one of them was gonna do a merry impression?

Oh wait, Mike, are we making history tonight on this fires?

Is this the first time we've done four people?

It is?

We're making history? Or who could it be? People are asking.

Who is that? You ask?

That's Mike Manatti.

Hi.

I would never try to do an impression of Mary. She was very scary last time I was here.

Mary's a baby.

And Jeff Grubb is also joining us.

It's the Internet, You're brazy. Let's do this. Welcome to the Game As Decides Podcast. How Jeff Rubbed Me is a couple of pros here.

You know.

I noticed that Jeff Grubb came in on time and wasn't muted.

For a while, and listen.

I would never do that. Oh my god, you.

To be clear.

You've done this for a while, Grub, you're apro was ready to go and then you're like, oh, we we have to record some ads.

I'll let you guys know we're ready. I was like, OK, you got with the punch.

And I still scent it before the time I told you, even with the ads considered, so that doesn't count.

I can check the eight fifty seven pm yes notation on my phone.

It was my bad. I'm sorry, Okay, I.

Just want people to get window into the nightmare it is working with Mike and yeah, it's really unpleasant.

Mike and Jeff are both previous guests separately on the podcast, both times when I was not here. Mike, you and I did Hell Divers together the bonus episode. But did we We haven't done an episode, I don't think. No.

No, yeah, we did Hell Divers. We bonded over Lord of the Rings, and uh, I thought we bonded.

We built up, we built up some good will. We're really like getting to know each other.

And then I accidentally called you Matt and just you know, completely reverse direction there.

Unfortunately it could be only one mic.

You said it in person to Dan at Seattle as.

Well, begged him not to tell you. What was the content? Why were we recording you talking about him? No, we didn't record it at all. We were talking about him.

We were at the j W Drinks in liked right away, okay, got it?

Just a mean jerk that.

Wow, both don't remember Mike and Jeff are from Game mess podcasts.

Yeah, whatever, you guess.

It's kind of messed up that you invited us both because this will be Mike, is this four podcasts we're doing together this week? Christian wanted us to do Columbro, so that would have been five. Definitely not happening now. Wow, yeah, god you guys, this is This is the fourth one right now. We're doing a fifth one tomorrow. Oh is that true?

We did yesterday, we did two today, we're doing a fifth tomorrow. Oh my god, you have the dog one. I like the dog gimmick. Thank you, thank you. I like our dog gimmick.

Although we did our Nintendo podcast yesterday and then like the fun Nintendo stuff happened today when we're recording with this Power World lawsuit and like the Switch two leaks and all this stuff.

But that's okay. They hate us, we know. I'm sure we'll get it into later in the news section.

Oh, we'll break it all down.

I think a section is gonna go a bit long.

The Roman Dissonance of the week, the on we long time.

All the stars are here, but yeah, I'm out numbered by giant Bombers tonight.

Mm hmm yeah, sorry, games Mess, cross Giant Bomb, cross Fire Escape here, look at that.

That's right, games Mess, Game Mess.

It's game.

It's a play on Summer Game Fest because it was originally Summer Game Mess.

It was right, and it was Jeff Grubbs Summer Game Mess. When I was like poking at at Jeff Keeley, which what I never I would never do today. Very respectful of them, yes, just like hard Drive like, oh yeah, listen, I just let hard Drive do all the work. It's fine. Yeah, And so we were poking at it and now that was like, oh, I was telling people like when stuff would happen before that it was announced and things like that,

Goes near each other as well. Right, pretty cool, North Northeast, Ohio up eighty five minutes, eighty five minute dry. We're actually hang out this weekend.

Classic Games.

Yeah, there's a big video video game convention, like a retro gaming convention at the big Springfield door, not a Springfield. It's in Cleveland, but there's a lot of venders.

We can't do and go to Springfield anymore. They ate all the consoles there, but they're just going nuts there nuts with television. They ate the Sega Saturns.

It's terrible. Oh my god.

I was really confused because I live right by a Springfield, Ohio, and I was like, I was like, first I ever heard about this?

What like, what's going on? And I had to look.

Turns out that the Springfield I'm by has been named New Springfield this entire time, probably because it was the second Springfield And.

Can we should just do Shelbyville at that point? You should. Mike Mahrty doesn't get that reference.

I watched enough Simpsons more.

You're more of a Futurama guy. I get it.

Yeah, I think is a front runner for like the possible location of Springfield from the Simpsons right.

Well, that that's it's never had a real thing. The whole point was, there's the most named thing in the in the country. To believe spring Mike hasn't seen Simpsons. He's more of a he used to until I blocked him on Instagram. Just send me wine memes, put over the office US clips and uh lately I think I unblocked him and send those to me.

I send those to you. No, No, I'm saying you go ahead and send those to me.

I send you the Undertaker one.

Yes, you moved on to wrestling wine memes. Undertaker sitting up out of the coffin. Bo, wouldn't you smell a good shirt?

You're butchering a very good meme. No, Mike makes a good point.

I think these two mics are way more alike than people might first realize, because I think they are both into their various alcoholic beverages to a similar degree. Like Mike cares about whiskey that much. I'm obviously you do.

Too, Like I think. I think Mike the first, may I call you Mike the first.

He's been very differential ever since he got aname wrong and said that I thought we were best friend?

No, how did you phrase it? He thinks we're best friends.

I think a lot of people are his best friend. Yeah, it's not a good play up.

The meme was it was like when you open a bottle of When you open a bottle of like d r C you thought was dead, there's the Undertaker coming up out of his coffin and choking.

Was that triple h? Remember your wine meme? Exactly Undertaker.

So Triple H is this guy who works at w I think he's still at w w E. He's related to the rest of the family that owns.

Married in.

Them. Mcmahonks mahons.

Yeah, you got Leam and Ryan and Doyle mcoyle.

We did.

We did a black club recently, me and our two guests here and I asked, I was talking to Bank about just gohing man. Black club's so good and just you know, the chemistry is so easy. And I asked her. I was like, who am I more similar to between Grub and Manati? And she started saying Manati and then she stopped and she goes, No, Manati's pretty extreme.

You're more like Grub.

Extreme in what way?

Yeah? This year collaborate boarding, you know, Yeah, every time he goes to Disney. That's what he's like known for. Yeah, you guys know about it. Extremely Goofy movie. No, yeah, because you literally told me all about it two days ago.

It's fantastic, right, No, absolutely, they're all dogs. Come on, yeah, dog.

Pluto is like not anthropomorphic though, right, No, so he's dog.

You're like ten years ten years behind on like Disney fan means we've all had.

Oh no, god, I feel like a dork now.

That's actually what really kicked off.

Uh, Mike and my relationship was when I made fun of Disney adults and like you and you reached out very cordially.

It was like a whole middle finger. Yeah via email.

Time, get to know him a little bit better. It won't be cordial the next time. I always get it. What actually turns everybody around is going to Disneyland with me. It turns out everybody good time, it was good, It was good. It would be going to gayl Pari with with Mike Maharty, like the Disneyland of Wine.

Maharty would be so easy with with disney World, even because there's so.

Because you could just get them drunk.

Yeah, well, because disney World is so big, it's so many things, like I could I could make a good at least three day vacation for anybody in the world. Less they're gonna just be a complete like fuddy duddy and just like not want to give in a little bit.

You Yeah, that might be rough, like but that might be rough.

But like with Mike, there's so many like Like there's like the one restaurant in the Animal Kingdom Lodge resort that has like like the largest selection of I think South African wines in the country or something like that.

So it's like.

Mentioned in the email, and I was intrigued for sure.

Right, So you like that. And there's a bunch of other like great one.

There's a place called Wine Bar George with of Somalier who who opened that there, And there's a lot of amazing wines there and good food and stuff like that. Just great restaurants in general, especially like honestly, at my age, that's the thing I look forward to the most in Disney World now is the restaurants almost more than anything else.

Is good.

You've taken me, you've taken grub, You've gone with Ben Hanson, although Hanson's probably not a hard cell, but know it, it is hard to have a bad time, all right.

I would shoot at one of the best times in my life that day. That was so much fun.

It was.

Yeah, is disney World or Land or both the ones with the like the food stalls from around the world.

Epcott was the first one to do that, and now they kind of they kind of copy it in Disneyland in the California Adventure Park now because it was so successful in Epclot. It's not quite as hot over there, but yeah, Epcot's a one with that, and with the drinking around the world thing because they have all the different areas seemed to different countries and so you can get like a margarita at Mexico and then get a beer at Germany and some wine at Italy, and you know you can.

Yeah, beer Garden is the one I'm kind of annoyed that we're not gonna be going to because we're in a Disney World for the first time with the family in November and we just made all our reservations because you got to make them sixty days out and the beer Garden was what I was looking at.

It was like that looks like a very good time. Yeah, beer Garden.

It's a German themed and they like have like a band right and even have like a guy with one of the ricola horns.

You know.

So that's fun and it's a a Fay style thing. But yeah, one thing I'll.

Say, Mike, and I was very honest about my trip to disney World or Disneyland. You talk with the restaurants. I don't know how Krthay Circle is generally considered. I thought it was fine. I think I think some people are maybe there with that. I didn't even eat a full meal there, I don't I'm.

Sorry, what is this karth? They sure?

We had dinner at Disneyland, and I was told like, oh, this is the one and it was very expensive. Uh, and but it's gimmicked, like it's that's it's the gimmick.

And he loves gimmicks.

If you love the Margaritaville, you love Rainforest Cafe, Bubble, you.

Enjoy going to Margaritaville, Oh yeah, absolutely. Next time you're in.

New York, let's go the rooftop in Midtown.

You come to our Margaritaville.

We found the glue between all four of us trip.

Absolutely.

When I went to the Mall of America with Dan, there was like this courtyard where it was like it was like a Mexican could stand off with the Margheritaville, the Rape Forest Cafe in the Bubble Cups strip, just like all staring at each other, and I was like, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever did.

You stand equidistant between all three? Did you do that?

It's like a four corners thing with the stands. Yeah, one hand in every restaurant. Yeah, the four corners.

That's fun.

To give me a blindfold. It's spinned me around.

Absolutely love that. Let's do that.

Let's go spin Mike Manati in America.

I remember during COVID or not, like after COVID things had started opening up again. I was trying to go to the Olive Garden in Midtown just because it wouldn't be flooded with tourists and it would actually be still be Olive Garden.

That was the one where I dared you to go by yourself and demand they sang happy Birthday to you.

Right, Yeah, yeah, I did not do that. I could do that, mate.

Maybe last time I was at Olive Gardens because my nephew made us go because it was it's mentioned in one of the Sonic movies, so he was like, he's really it doesn't he.

Get apasta path like in the second song of the Sonic Movie or something like that.

Yeah, that's how he was, like really exciting.

It's incredible that that air movie advertising worked on a child man.

He was so happy to be there.

Grub was it You posted a thing today of the funk Co Fusion game with like a KFC mini game.

Yep, not a mini game.

It's like the KFC things are like all like a bucket of chicken is littered all over the game and you gotta shoot it like so many.

Tongue lock stuff or something.

I want to be cynical, but I loved Yo Noyd for the NYT listening.

My my post was my eyes dilating because I'm like, I gotta play this now, like I.

Hate Funko, Like I think that shit's really stupid, and we're going to play play the game. But if they're going all the way like branding nutso like beyond crazy Taxi, We've got a KFC in a pizza.

Hut, I would like to play. We're gonna play it.

Although the other part of that story is it hard locked twenty one times on them, so they couldn't even review it.

They try to review it. Yeah, so sounds like a good time. Well, it's weird.

It looks like it runs so well in all the trailer, I feel like we're going happening on giant bomb dot com or we're gonna do it.

Yeah, okay, I'll do that with you.

It was I got. The only thing I remember that game is in the direct uh being like Funko was fusion popped up Mike's talking. I made a joke like shut out, shut the fuck up, we're gonna respect this, and immediately it started playing and I couldn't. I'm like, this looks like shit, and it's like it was just unbelievable unmitigated ship.

Do any of you own any Funko pops?

I used to have a few. I think back when the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie came out. I got like all the Guardians of the Galaxy and I was like, this is neat, that's fun A slightly hot take. Look, I don't love Funko pops. I care then bought one and maybe a decade they don't upset me like they seem. I mean the thing I kind of I'll I don't know.

Sometimes you'll see like an image of somebody screaming on the internet about something and there's like a literal wall, like a wall of their home made of funko pops behind them, and it's like, all right, that's kind.

Of like they're definitely tacky, and I know how, I get how that happened, and like, yeah, that tackiness transfers to people own a lot of them.

Sure, So here's here's one time they actually have really annoyed me. I've usually been indifferent to them. There is a wine bar like across the street from me, let's say two blocks up, and like our five listeners in Hoboken, we'll probably know where I'm talking about. Really nice Italian bar, great food. They have like twelve different kinds of briscatta. It's like they're going for the like very much going for the nice Italian.

I have no idea where this story is going, but I'm very.

Shy in the bar, Like half of behind the bar, next to like some really expensive Barolos and Brunello's are like one hundred funko pops on the.

Show like of like Tony Soprano and Muslin.

There's no there's no theme to any of them.

It's there's Deadpool, there's Sonic, there's I don't know whose idea it was, but it aggravated.

It's the owner's son who we can't say no to.

Clearly, how many fun pops are there of people or characters that have now been canceled?

Your master list is probably dot Com, the Bill Cosby one. She protects that with all her might.

Who's the old guy that died recently, that did a bunch of war stuff like crimes?

Oh God, damn it.

Hen was he ever cancelor was it just always acknowledging that you.

Were fond of him. It's weird that there's a pop of him either way, there really.

Is, I don't I think.

I think one guy g That's the only reason I know him.

So Mike and I both into Margaritaville, were also both super gullible.

Insanely gullible. All right, I'm looking at the whole.

Okay, so no fictional characters obviously, Disney, Marvel, dc U, this doesn't matter, TV series line, burned Spring, Okay. Is there a Roseanne Funko pop? Oh, there can't be. She's been Uh, she's been for a while. She came back ship that show she was on the Connors enough for Funko Pop. I mean no, there's no Roseanne.

Damn.

I thought I thought that was I thought that was our best bet. Star Wars, Star Trek, Game of Thrones, a lot of video game stuff, No doctor disrespect, no, none of that. I just got to w W.

That'll do it.

Hang on hul Cogan, which you know, shockingly not as canceled as he should be, should be more.

Canceled at any given time.

Yeah, you know, out of all of these wrestlers, Hogan's the closest. And he's got one Okay, so Hogan is the most He's the closest to being canceled I've seen so far.

There is no Bill Cosby Funko, so no events.

I'm looking at Vince. I'm looking at Vince. I found one eBay for twenty bucks. Mister McMahon, is that a custom job? It doesn't look like it even has the number number fifty three, So that's the important.

Admiring from jingle all the way holding a mail bomb.

Then you guys just link to eBay. But I think, I yeah, I think this is a legitimate mister McMahon.

That's definitely a cancel Funk Pop Wow, Okay, that was not listed on this website of my On here.

Where I see it, you can also get a mister America Dan was all.

Coke was also whole coked. Well there's the way to prove that, brother.

So yeah, I guess Vince.

There was on my desk at game Spot for a bit when I inherited the desk from I think it was Mary, but I don't think it was her funko pop either, because it was a Lara Croft funko pop.

My mom once she knows I like a big Trouble Little China, and she she likes the movie lot too, And you know, obviously she doesn't know like nerd culture or anything like that, so she would have no where. She just saw like, oh, this Jack Burton thing at a store or whatever and send it to me in San Francisco and I lived there and we're like party, like, oh thanks Mom.

Party.

It was like, I don't want to put a funk o pop on my desk, So it's like I just kind of kept it out of sight for a little.

Bit, but just bust it out when she visits. Yeah, yeah, Hey, I.

Have a couple of friends his grandma for a wedding gift sent them this like huge ass painting that they hate, and they actually put it up, like planning on putting it up in the hallway when she visits.

They keep it in a classic sitcom move sitcom stuff right there.

I like that.

I mean, we still have your face already on our ceiling in Bannk's office.

It's still it's still there, yes, awesome.

Yeah, and then but the top bunk's not there anymore, so it's like way more visible now.

So so I'm lording over the person sleeping even more.

Oh yeah, absolutely, from on high et me in November. Oh yeah, yeah, I.

Don't remember where that photo was from. Was that when I looked like I peed my pants a Game Informer?

No? I use that one a lot.

This one was you just made a stupid face while we were having fuh in Danbury, Connecticut. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, before I locked you in my basement when we streamed it hard. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, did did you watch it? Enjoy home Star Runner dot com?

Yes, I've never missed a strong bed email. I was in the come on Forhoga gods always in my head.

It came up with me Jeff.

Jeff was like, like, I don't know him. Death was not into I'm a wary exist. I just never watched it. But Mike was like, it was huge in my high school. No one in my high school ever mentioned it once. Ever, it was huge in my dorm, like people love that. Yeah, I came out.

It was like a cultural keystone.

I graduated in two thousand and one, so I do think it might have been a bit early.

I was two, okay, then you said in the doors.

Opposed three it was big, bigger scumbags who barely used the Internet from like two thousand and two to like two thousand and six, So yeah, I think that might have helped that.

It was one of my after like Harry Potter dot com. I think Homestar Runner was one of my first like go to websites. I was in middle school.

Were you into those Potter puppet pals too? Oh yeah? Oh yeah? That is that the one like snape snap.

I think that video at one point was the most watched YouTube video ever. You're close to it, uh once the pot time you ever watch those tiktoks where it's like a chart that like the tracks the popularity, so can watch talks you you're talking about it. I would like to see that that. You're right, that's probably is up there for a while.

What were the like Touchstone?

What was it?

Would like be the single Touchstone comedy movie for your high school years?

Uh, Lebowski?

Well, no, you know what, Well Junior High it would be Austin Powers Junior High, Austin Powers High.

School, Powers ace Ventura.

Earlier early that Austin Powers. Probably I would be Anchorman, I think maybe. Also, uh, what's the one with Will Farrow and I Love You?

Hear my? I blew old Old School popped off My.

Sophomore year was super bad, like sweat swept the school.

It's actually like right there. Half Bake probably would have been us right when I was graduating.

I liked that Baked. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great comedy, especially when you're a teenager or whatever.

You as much as I even especially when these movies came out, as much as I was a drunken, you know, dumb ass. I never found Old School or The Hangover to be particularly funny.

It'll just like Old School more than Hangover. But I didn't love either.

You know, I'm the opposite, but I like I like movies set in Vegas just because it kind of feels like I'm on vacation.

I just like the part like, oh hey, now they're in the Caesars Palace.

And that is That is why I like Ocean's eleven a lot.

Yeah, absolutely, yes, Vegas Vacation Crew here I love.

Yeah, changing five hundred every time it goes into the like the casino where they played war and like I guess the number and stuff like that plays on my head in a loop.

Oh yeah, it's incredible. Still have never done Vegas.

You've never been to Vegas? That shocks me. I would feel isn't like is Dice there?

Sometimes this is in Lake Como, Italy this year.

Oh that's until you're going.

No, I'm not. I wish I was. I couldn't.

I couldn't get a maggot to expense two of us going.

What would be the dream city for all of us? For like, okay, E threes move or Summer Games Fest is moving out of l A. And from now on for one week every summer, you're you in the entire games industry goes to.

Oh my god, yeah, you're right, it's in New Orleans.

Probably for me, I don't know that I would.

And I love so many people I've worked with, and E three and Summer Games West have There's been great memories. I don't know that I want to be anywhere with like that many with I like that many people there for a convention. I feel like it's going to make any place like like La for Summer Game Fest. I'm always like keyed up and anxious about it.

Yeah, but would rather be anywhere than La kind of near skid Row.

Yeah, No, I guess I enjoy like games Calm dream city for that.

Yeah, I don't know.

I think it would be it wouldn't be like Paris or I think Chicago would be good.

I'm just about to say maybe chicag I like Chicago centralized.

I'd be with that said say Chicago.

Yeaheah, yeah, yeah, I listened to you. I Chicago.

I just feel like I would enjoy.

It's such a It's an awesome city. Actually, it's what we were like when we were considered moving. It was like a Chicago probably too expensive, so we're think of Minneapolis or Cleveland, and we ended up going to Cleveland because it was the most affordable. But then right after that we took a family vacation to Chicago, and I really fell in love that because it's it is a big city, but it's still very Midwest. But it has everything. It has all the cultures. Every ten feet there's another

Yeah.

On the west what's that called West Point here or whatever.

The y Yeah, awesome, amazing. I love going to see just a real city in a lot of ways.

I think my wife's convinced once I see it, I'll never want to leave. She thinks that it will resonate with me, and I think like two siblings. A few uncles have told me it, and they meant this in the like in the highest form of a compliment, that it's like the most American city they've been to, Like it feels like it can be salt of the earth. It feels like a lot of their favorite restaurants and bars are like divy but like a lot of character.

It's got.

It's got like it is very American, and then it's also extremely multicultural, and it's awesome at both.

It's really cool.

A lot of Irish people that I know.

I was impressed by Mahrdy and Mary and some friends in Pland recently, and I had never been there before, and like we weren't like downtown or anything like that. We were just kind of like hanging out and like I don't know if you call it a suburban area, but lots of like no that tyburns and breakfast places and it's great.

That was like that was Portland but yeah, correct, not downtown, but it was still the city.

But yeah, Portland's awesome. We we were only there for a few hours.

Before we went farther up into the Columbia gorge but extremely nice like natural environments right outside the city. I mean a lot of cities have that, but this kind of it like dissolves into it as opposed to like city and then outskirts gorgeous like gardens and all the houses. It's the Rose City after all. Yeah, it's awesome there, Yeah, beautiful. Definitely want to check it out sometime. I like Seattle a lot, which is another Northwestern city. I assume it's

It's like the most college in the right.

Yeah, and Portland definitely feels more I and people from Portland can well correct me if this is way off, but it If this means anything to you, guys, it feels like a big astoria at Queen's.

College town post college, like if the vibe of your like college like hippie college town continued into adulthood.

Basically killer pace than Seattle. In my exterest, do you have hippie college towns like? Yeah? Ye.

Hell Yellow Springs, Ohio, where Dave Chappelle lives, is a famous like hippie college town that people around here hang out too, And I bet Portland's very similar to that, and anyone from Ohio, most people from Ohio will know what I'm talking about.

One really quick, cool fun fact about Portland. Uh, back in the day when it was still stumptown, it started as a logging town.

Two people who had like the rights to the plot.

One was from Portland, Maine, one was from Boston, Massachusetts, and they were trying they're arguing about what they wanted to call it when it was being incorporated, and both of them wanted to name it after their home hometown, so they decided on Portland after flipping a coin.

Oh wow, yea Springfield and Shelby.

That's interesting because it's it's a boring name, right, It's just like, well, what are we got in this land?

Ports? All right? There you go, and it's it's not even on the ocean.

It's a river port, Right's they at their a land that had ports. It doesn't even make sense here anymore.

You guys. Ever see you a basketball?

Yeah?

Sure.

And one of the best bits in that is when they talk about all the teams moved around where like La moved to Lakers where there are no lakes, and the jazz moved to Utah where they don't allow music.

Yeah that's but yeah, New Orleans also be great. I still have not been to New Orleans either.

Oh I'd love to go to New Orleans. All I've been there like five or six times. Now you say this, I've never been to New Orleans. Why do you like it so much? I'm not Gauley, but I'm curious. Okay, Like, you know, people like to go to like Vegas and it's just like, okay, it's you know, party, you know, it's just like kind of you know, glitz and glamour. And drinking and everything casinos and all that, like New Orleans.

It's the way. Yeah, it's just like I don't know.

You you go to New Orleans and it's just like, I mean, this is just a lot of real people that are celebrating this cool city that's got a lot of history and doesn't feel like any other city in the country.

So it does sound like similar to Nashville, but Nashville would be obviously more country music than jazz, and I think I would prefer the jazz.

Yes, Yeah, I went to Nashville for the first time last year, and I enjoyed it.

We did.

We did the one day on Broadway with like all the big garage door country bars, but then we found a few like hole in the wall cocktail spots that were great.

Did you code switch? Did you put on cowboy boots and a cowboy hat?

No?

Unfortunately I was dressed for a wedding most of the time, okay, at which there were no cowboy boots.

Sure. I was one of the.

Most opulent weddings I've ever been to. They rented out like the entire Nashville Symphony Hall.

Who that's crazy?

Yeah, it was. It was nuts.

And then of course, like two hours later I was just destroying a fried chicken sandwich.

Yeah. Good food there, Yeah, both poles. Yeah.

Ever a place to to spend like three or four days or more, go to New Orleans. It's And did you ever watch Wild on e Yes?

Okay, look, look we talked about two thousand and two, two thousand and three. Brooke Burke was a thing, and many people, most people, most people didn't watch it. But I think it was like you would see you you would see the commercials for what was the ones where the girls would take their shirts off?

That was girls Gone wild Girl's Gone Wild, and.

It's like, Wow, I'm not gonna be able to get them a.

Teenager classy girls, like basically documentary. It's a documentary about where people happened to be drinking by an ocean and they would do like every other.

Episode would be in New Orleans, and I'm.

Like, it looked like a lot of things ONNAK, but hosted by someone who's the opposite of David tel exactly.

Yes, a carpork, which doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, it's funny.

I'll see like brook Brooks and those like sketchers slip on ads now and every time I see it, I'm just like. She was on Every Dude's Wall in two thousand and two and used.

A voice of me for Speed Underground Too.

She won a Spike Video Game Award for her performance in The Sounds That Era.

Yep, Yep.

The Steven Soderbergh's wife actually was one of the hosts of that eventually. I can't remember her name, but she wrote like secretly wrote Logan Lucky, which is one of my favorite movies.

Oh that's the Daniel Craig right, Yes, that movie rules.

She secretly wrote it.

Yes, like she she did it under a pen name, and I think it's like Rebecca Blund or something, but that's not her her real name. But she's married to Steven Soderberg and although everyone's like no, she totally helped him write this movie.

So yeah, pretty interesting.

Every time I hear Steven Soderbergh, I weirdly get him mixed up with Paul W. S Anderson because both of them have names that I confuse with a better director.

Well they're wait, no, who's the better director?

Wait, Paul W. S Is the Mortal Combat and Event Horizon him with Paul.

Thomas Anderson, who's a better director, And with Spielberg.

I like both of them for different reasons. Yeah, they're very different. Soberg is kind of amazing better, better movie. I mean, no, okay, so what else did he do? He did that unsane movie, that.

Ocean. You're trying to argue.

That Soderberg is better than Spielberg and you can't even remember more than Ocean's eleven and.

I have a terrible memory.

All the Oceans. Aaron Brockovich, He's done Magic Mike, out of Sight, with the Jennifer Lopez and George Cloone.

You definitely watched the catage in ten times during the pandemic, just like.

Me a way of processing.

Yeah, yeah, cagin is that is there a monkey in contagion?

You're thinking an outbreak school.

It's fantastic. Yeah, we did Pleasantville. I've seen pleasant Ville. I say Pleasantville. Okay, there we go. That's the movies, Okay.

Steve Schielburg's obviously, like like all times, it's not fair to compare anybody.

It's it's a little unfair. Yeah. Director.

Last night, Bonk and I watched True Lies and neither of us remembered anything about it. We were like kids when we last saw it, and goddamn of James Cameron. Like we looked at James Cameron's IMDb afterwards.

I think he's just the best at making movies.

He only makes the biggest movies ever, Like his fucking whole track record since like the Abyss in eighty seven or whatever. It's like, oh, okay, it's or Terminators before that, Terminator, Terminator to the Abyss, the Avatars, whatever you think from Titan.

Aliens, Aliens, I should say something Aliens.

Yeah, he was.

He would be like an assistant director and he would do things on sets where it was like, Okay, we have to make this blob of flesh look like it's moving. I'm gonna go get some wire and rip it apart, plug it into the wall, and electrocute it. Will film that and everyone's like, what the fuck is this guy doing? Like no one understood it, and they saw it. It was an incredible shot, and it's like he's just that guy

Well, that's the thing is, Like I remember I was looking up True Lives production and it was the first movie to go over one hundred million dollars on budget, and it wound up making like over four hundred million. And I remember as a kid, I was debscribing to Entertainment Weekly and reading about budgets and box office and everything about Titanic was it's wildly over budget.

It's a they were stunting on that, and they're like dunking on it constantly. This is going to be a Travis It's gonna be the real life Titanic. This is gonna be the movie version of the actual titan You go to him every time they did with Avatar and Avatar two, and they always make the most.

And no cultural significance. No one's gonna see the sequel.

Yeah, the sequel with but I think titic was the one the worst, Like everyone thought it was gonna be the worst, and then it was the number one movie ever. And it's just like I think from that point, I was like, take as long as you need, take as much money as you need. It's gonna be fine. And then they but they still doubted him for Avatar and Avatar too. It's incredible.

You can't anymore, right, Yeah, the guy build well, the guy builds his own submarines that can go explore the Titanic. Now, I think he's just got one of those like genius engineer minds and like to make it.

I think like he comes.

Up obviously I don't know the guy, but he comes up and like he has to make a huge movie. He's like, Okay, this is no different than making this very complex submarine. It's a problem to solve.

And he's good.

He's really good at characterization at the same time because he like worked blue cowar jobs growing up and things like that. He was a truck driver when he saw Star Wars and he's like, I gotta quit and go make movies or I'm gonna die.

Like that's how he felt.

I'm like, Okay, this is just my guy making the kinds of movies I like.

Well, and when he was with Catherine Bigelow, he was like executive producer and writing like point Break and Strange Days and Catherine Biglow's awesome shit she was making over there, like god damn, like.

Toast time, he seems Strange Days.

Because it was not anywhere years ago, you couldn't stream it for a while, did you like buy the Blu ray or something.

I think it was streaming when we watched it like a year ago, and it was years ago.

I was looking for it and I couldn't find it.

It was.

It was very good. I had not heard much about it. And I remember it was around the time Phantom Liberty was coming out, the cyberpunk thing, because like the brain dance stuff in cyberpunk is so just what Strange Days is. Yeah, you know, has a lot of that stuff in it. So we watched it around that point and we were both like, holy shit, she's awesome.

Wait a minute, holy shit, I did not know that she did. K nineteen The Widow Maker.

Yeah, and zero thirty one of the better submarine movies.

Yeap, wait is that it's Oh man, is that the one with the nuclear core? What are you thinking of thee? No nuclear core in the summary is a nuclear subon?

I never saw that one that I think, Well, K nineteen probably wouldn't because that sounds like a Russian one and I don't know if they'd ever had a nuclear submarine.

Reactor cool and pipe burst control rods. Yeah, maybe this movie fucked with me.

Harrison Ford one, Yes, Yeah, was a very good one.

Yeah.

The reactor core like is like melting down and they have to go in in like pairs with protection.

That's really nice, right.

Yeah.

The end, they're all just like dying of the worst poisoning you can get in the in like the barracks. And then at the like I forget how many people were in the crew, and you know there's three people alive at the end that go to the ground the cemetery.

That movie messed with me.

I saw that way too young, But I was gonna say it's funny that Catherine Bigelow has done stuff like Point Break, but then she kind of took up the mantle as the chronicler of Bush's war, like yeah, that's yeah, or I don't know if Bush.

Yeah, yeah, she's made some awesome movies.

We mentioned submarine movies and that set me off. Do you guys have favorite submarine movies?

I don't think oct Periscope? Down is Periscope? Yeah, okay, that's my favorite one. Actually, that's it's also great. Uh.

The thing about submarines, especially in nuclear submarines, is they could stay down for at this point years.

Except for they need food.

That is the only thing that causes them have to come back to the surface. Now they screw the oxygen. The nuclear reactor can last for years. Everything else is taken care of, so they could stay down to hydroponics farm or something on the submarine.

Now like popcorn, because that's tiny, and then it gets bigger.

They probably are coming up with a lot of solutions, but amount of calories.

I'm call up the Secretary of State.

I got therecorn, it's lit on and it gets bigger. You never in a billion tubs have you ever bought a tub of popcorn here that they're for, Like, wow, I feel full in binger for four years, I lived up energy.

Jed, let's go drive a nuclear sub right now.

Let's go Missile Moscow. I'm ready to go.

I think it probably goes It probably goes Dot's Boot and then I really like Hunt for the Right October. But I think it's probably Crimson Tides number two. Have you guys ever seen Crimson recently? And I didn't really get it? Really be so good?

Atlantis The Lost Empire or disneyse twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea.

Oh Atlantis, I really really?

They liked, Yeah, that's actually a good movie. Does Spear count? I love Sphere?

Sure, I'll give you spear all right. Spear is my favorite. It's like the sphere where all the body organs are going. You guys talked about.

No Spear, No Spear is Michael Crichton about the alien sphere underwater.

It's really fun. I think the abyss also counts.

While it's you know there, yes, yes, and that's like all that underwater stuff. There are obviously somemarines in there, but it's about a submersible drilling rig and stuff like that.

I need like a wacky alien thing going on or a weird goo monster like abyss or sphere, like I need something beyond just like it's underwater.

What if they were spaceships instead, and they were kind of had like dealing with the same things with.

Their aliens trying to kill them.

What if it's just other humans in spaceships. Why are the spaceships in the ocean? No, No, what if they're in space instead, like because like a space.

Like spaceships in a hostile environment.

Yeah, yeah, it's okay, So I think it may have.

Just alien Yeah. I love these.

Yeah, but those space ships are basically just the same things as submarine.

Yeah, but there's like fun fiction. It's not just like politics and military.

You know, I promise you most of the things he'd submarine movies are fiction. I think a real accurate Submary movie would be very boring.

Yeah, raised on like Cold War intrigue, and I don't really know anything about that.

Like, okay, I've got metal gear.

I'm fine.

Was the Cold War when they opened that portal to Hell and then they started out just like.

I can tell you about the quack talking about Joseph McCarthy and Hugh ac and fucking all that ship.

I could go into the Cold War.

I know you just said they have pigs.

Shake Guavara, Which is this stuff you're pulling from, like the clips in metal gear?

Like where's this coming from?

I listened to Rage Against the Machine a lot in high school and read some like Shag Guavara books, and uh, yeah, listen, I listened to a lot of Rage the Machine. Sure I need to start reading the Communist Manifesto. I'm gonna go to this. I'm gonna spend my Saturday nights.

In high school at Borders reading you got you gotta read us capital instead.

Sure, we're gonna get you a lot further.

Yeah, yeah, I remember there was that I forget who it was. That political uh megaphone of a human I forget it was saying like Tom Morello had tweeted something. Uh, and then he said, like, go back to writing music. You don't need to be political, was it?

H It was like Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson, Yeah, we're going to be happy to talk of.

Their songs are about how how fucked up Vietnam was Agent of Orange, Yeah, Priest of Hiroshima.

Yeah?

They who is the Romney's running mate was a Paul Ryan that like the guy with the goofy like weightlifting pictures.

Paul Ryan.

Yeah, it was like a huge rate. He's like, what's your lifting music? And he's like, I love Rage.

Against the machines like you yeah, this guy. Sorry, I'm getting political again.

Yea born in the USA for his campaign.

Sure, yes, I just saw a video of Rachegan's machine like in like in somewhere like two thousand and nine. They made one of their songs number one in the UK because fans didn't want the X Factor guy to like win the number one. It was killing the name of Yes, and it's that they use. Whoever has number one gets to perform on the BBC for like a Christmas.

Special and they're like, please just don't swear.

And then he's like, oh, I won't do what you tell me, and he's not and he's I won't do what you tell me, and then he just turns to the camera and flicks it off and just goes fuck you, I won't do what you tell me, like twenty times.

It rules. It's so great. They also got kicked off SNL like back in the Early.

Night and the guy climbed on the VMA like statues and stuff now to celebrate that.

Yeah, but days and no movie gonna be good. I saw the trailer for that before.

Probably it's got a like a focus at least on like, oh, it's just like the minutes leading up to the first broadcast. I normally don't like that like kind of biopic or like, uh, dramatization type stuff. But like if it's just like, hey, here's like the ninety minutes before the first show went on the air, that's a little more roading. It's a good question. What's it called? Is it Saturday Night.

Seven minutes to air? Seven minutes to air or something? Are twenty Saturday Night said, I'm thinking of that. What I'm thinking of that documentary are my mistake by H J.

Ramon.

Okay, what else did Jason Raymond do? Besides he did Up in the Air right, Oh.

That was Ghostbusters Afterlife. So he's not the good like a Nepo's son. There's the one that did what's the Jungle Book? Not Jungle Book Jumanji. Those new Jumanji movies is done by Nepo. Baby, those are really good. Jason Raymond did Ghostbusters Afterlife, and I don't think he's very good.

Jason Raymond did thank you for smoking, which I remember being pretty good, you know, which looked bad.

Up in the Air I liked, you know, in the Air is okay? I like up in the air. Up in the Air is good. Yeah. It looks like he works with a lot.

Yes, I think George Clooney does a lot of the heavy lifting on up in the Air.

Okay. Wow. Yeah.

George Clooney's counterpart in that movie is the psychiatrist from the Department.

Yeah, she's Italian? Am I figuring it out? You're getting it, dude, I'm I'm proud.

Well done? Are you?

Has Dan been learning to like, oh my god, this exists on the other timeline. Yeah, Dan was like, uh, surprised to find out that I, Mike Minatti am Italian and his friend Vinnie Caravella was Italian.

That was surprise Italian. It's nice. I'll say it again.

It's not that I didn't know, it's just that I never thought about it.

Dan doesn't see color, guys.

He tells us this all the time, and that includes that includes last names.

But like, my last name is pretty obvious, where.

I would not agree only because I know your family and I've heard you talk about being Irish a bunch like, I know you're Irish.

I gotta I got even with someone who definitely has like a lot of Scottish heritage. I conflate Scottish and Irish quite frust Yeah. Yeah, I just got to remember that screwsged Big Duck is Scottish. Shamous is Irish, Yeah, Shamus is Irish. McIntyre is.

We're normally I can Finally we're over the fifty percent wrestling where I could talk wrestling on fires game and hope people.

A probably congratulations.

Yeah, Finley was I Finley was my favorite Irish wrestler. Finley.

Look, if you're holding a chilele, you're Irish. Yeah, I should get a Chile.

I don't know if I could pick a Chile out of a police lineup. I don't know what two thousand like.

They look like a the handle is curved, but they look like a cricket club.

Oh, you don't have to tell me. I've seen them determine the ending of many matches. I just didn't know if you do.

It's just the top part of a cave.

Basically, my grandpa doesn't have like four of them mountainized wall between a bunch of other.

Did he hit you with them?

Yeah?

This is this is the venue where I would admit that my grandpa.

Abused me dog holding or is it like he is a cane? No, that's a isn't just a cane. It's just a cane. Okay. I think Chile's are Irish, definitely Irish yet s h I L.

L wait wait wait wait wait no, no, damn Dan, you wouldn't get this in a fucking spelling bee because that sounds like a proper now and there's no way Shi Lee would be not a proper nown.

It's Irish or Irish Gaelic.

And I will go into this thinking I'm going to get it wrong, and I never think.

Okay, Gaelic Gaelic is very hard, but.

It is very difficult. That's why I'm no. Okay. Already I knew I was gonna be fucked on that one. Yeah, s H I L L E L A g h Oh, there's no fucking way. I only learned this because I tried to google it and I spelled it very wrong.

Yeah, at this picture of Lay's there's a Dan. Have you been to swift here in the East Village, the Irish pub.

I'm sure you've taken me there.

Problem, yeah, a bunch of it's they've got a bunch of street signs from Ireland behind the bar. And like my middle name, half of my family's middle names are like our Gaelic.

It makes no sense to me, but I tried to signs. It's like Irish.

Irish, the Irish language basically okay, they're Scottish Gapelic as well.

They're sort of similar but also very different. But yeah, it's it's so hard for me to read, I think for most people. But the street signs. I asked the bartender, I'm like, am I close? He's like, no, none at all.

Dan, Why do you think people in Ireland and Scotland speak English? Because they're close to England That's part of it, that's not.

But why would be close to England maybe be a problem? Did England own them and force them to learn English?

Own is? Yeah?

The way they like didn't like one own Canada? Yeah, I mean I did at one point. Like it's now part of the they have the Queen on their money, commonwealth, Yeah right, it's part of the Commonala thank you. Yes, they treated Ireland and Scotland very poorly.

Woke up.

Have you seen the MELI like.

You were alive from Wait? Are they affiliated now?

No, Ireland's not part of the UK anymore. Sorry, Northern Ireland's part of the UK because Ireland the troubles in the nineties, like not just the nineties came to a head. That's called the Troubles. It's a very eerie name. But Catholics and Protestants in Ireland were divided because many of the Protestants, largely from Northern Ireland, were loyal.

To the crown. Uh.

And then you know, the Republic of Ireland was largely Catholic and wanted to not be under their thumb. And it caused a whole lot of ship and terrorism both sides.

Terrorism.

Both sides were like to be clear, it wasn't like good and bad, but both sides were being uh bombs.

No, I know enough of this because I know there was a drink that was very popular.

You get in this context you can say the Irish car bomb came from then it's you wouldn't order an Irish car bomb, right, we.

Should say, if you're from Ireland and you want to make fun of nine, then we give you permisison cause we're gonna talk about Irish car bombs for a second, so just go have your fun.

Like that relates to some historical thing I don't know about, but I'm just not going to say it.

No, no, yeah, it's definitely don't say it in Ireland.

Yes, yeah, no, it's it's not. I'm just saying like, but you can, like in the context we're talking about. Yes, the the name of however very distasteful it is.

It came from came from the little terists. Yes, you should never drinks after terrorism. If I went into a bar and it's something called the Oklahoma City bomb, I would order it.

It's kind of you just call it like the McVeigh. I think.

Okay, that's pretty good too. Yeah drink.

Yeah, No, I'm glad you're catching on to people's last names. Well maybe it's not really Maybe better you're not just assuming people like reading their last thing.

Yeah, you still have to be careful.

Yeah, it just it's not that I have a strategy for this. It's just it doesn't ever. I don't ever think about it. It's just like I don't know all we were all Belgian grown up and no one never made it. Somebody to be like, oh, record must be this or that, and like, I don't know if it was just.

Some of them are just easier than as I think generally, picking out Italian names is considered probably easy mode of identifying people's heritage, basically right.

And going into my head.

I think if you had told me months ago, like what do you think Manati is, you know, I would probably say it.

I'd get there, but I had never thought of it before.

You know, I grew up well, Syracuse was largely Italian and Irish and some Ukrainian, so like we grew up with very all my friends mainly growing up were of Italian descent, so it was easy to pick that out.

Yeah, same for me in a twenty four mile north of Detroit. It was huge Italian culture in Albanian yep.

I think it's of Italians in Northeast Ohio, including me. I think where I grew up just had no identity. What's like the suburbs of Kansas City was like, I don't know, I'm half German, half Belgian, and like I didn't know what any of my friends where. I never heard any of my friends talk about their heritage or anything.

We're all Catholic. Everyone was just Catholic, that's all I know.

They had to do like we had like heritage week in like middle school. We all had to do like a book report on like one of our parents, like where they came from, things like that.

If everyone was Catholic, though they were probably quite a few Irish and Italian.

If that was the police, it just probably never come up.

Sure, yeah, that's actually the probably the most default scenario. Yeah, or Polish, Yeah yeah, most most It probably just wouldn't come up in the suburbs of America really, sure.

Yeah, but that was our that's the politics section I mentioned. I think, yeah, we did it. Think we're three any history. Well, so we'll see in the emails next week how many people we pissed off.

Most of them we won't be here. That's your problem.

In Irish passport, so that I could be like, oh I can I can talk about this stuff.

I'm Irish now there you go. I heard I could do that with Italy. Also, they just opened Italy just opened it up to great grandchildren. I believe now I'm just grandchildren.

Ireland and Italy are now at least grandchildren children.

I don't know if I'd like that. I like how I immediately him gate keeping.

One of the people. Where was Grana from Rome really adopted adopted in room? Yeah?

Uh, fought in World War two or the Italians, big Mussolini guy.

Yeah. Shortly after that, came to America. Yep. How would that transition go?

I wonder pretty I mean, I think he liked it much better here. You know example, like I said, you know, there were there are a ton of Italians. He had some family that was already here, but it was pretty easy, and steel mills were very plentiful in this area, so it's very easy to just get a well paying job in the steel mills almost immediately.

And then from that he started huge Italian culture in that area. Yes, did he go through New York?

Yeah, he went on through and then straight to Ohio because he had family and friends there. Straight to Ohio because he already had some people here that he knew, right exactly.

Yeah, my grandpa did a transition.

My grandpa Ellis Island was closed for like one of the few times it had for whatever reason, So he went through Brooklyn, per A and he hung out here for a bit and worked on he worked construction, and then he eventually went at to Syracuse with my grandma after they had they had they had met and then went to this like Irish heritage dance in Brooklyn, and then like she told him at the dance that she was moving up to a place called Syracuse, and then

Oh man, very sweet. Now we're all getting Irish citizenship. Ireland doesn't know what's coming. Very bad move.

That upstate New York vibes that upstate New York, I guess I never really know it.

Yes, central New York.

But if you're like in New York City and you say upstate, most people think you mean like Westchester Yonkers. But I'm way upstate, not quite Messina or Plattsburgh, but I'm central. It's like literally in the center. However, center you can be in a weird shaped state.

How far are you from Binghampton, a nor How far are you two hours north? How about Utica? An hour west of Utica?

Holiday Valley? I don't know it.

Yeah, that's a ski resort in state of New York that I really like what Melan. I don't have no idea. I just got I've got put on a bus and we went there. I had no ideas and probably.

Must have been wait, wait a second, what It would be pretty good content for something. Dan and I went skiing for the first thing I've always wanted to.

Oh my god, yes you could just come in here. They're skiing all around me.

Here's have you guys noticed this? Maybe or maybe you all do this? I love any time any kind of trip comes up, Dan immediately just tries to make it happen in Minneapolis.

Every other country this whole summer. I just want to stay in Minnesota for I don't want to stay a different continent by myself when this episode goes up that doesn't speak well.

I have to travel and go by myself wide the subway. Yeah, I have panic tags on every fucking plight. It's it's stressful. I have not ever played.

It's actually got a lot better, but it's still it's I want to have a weekend at home just sitting on a couch.

I know I do too.

I have the best scaling skiing in Minneapolis, and see if it's actually any good?

I see, I see like neighborhoods in Minnesota that just have ski jumps on the.

Side of the road. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. It's very very street.

That's kind of it's just our first time. We're not gonna be double.

Back, I know.

I promise you. It's much easier to learn off the Bunny hill. You don't you don't you want you want to go on the blue easiest one, but you actually want to because the Plnny Hill it's so hard to like get momentum. You have to actually just get going a little. But here's what the French Fries. We need the Yeah, I've seen that South Park.

We would need Jan to film it, and I cannot even picture Jan Achola.

It's snowy skiing situation.

I would film it because I'm pretty competent on the on the snowboard and stuff like that. Three sixty cams, I got the go pros, I got all that ship.

So yeah, okay. I did break a girl's arm once that I was very excited.

To go just like uh, you know, like skating and like a skate rink recently, and I immediately broke my wrists.

She stopped in front of me and she fell and we were like flirting, and then she fell right in front of me and I stopped as hard as I could, but my snowboard went right over her arm and basically snapped her forearm and half.

It was terrible. Is that that's right? Wow? Hastas and heeled that for. I don't know if you broke her arm. I think it was kind of.

I just take responsibility. I was skating too close. I should not have been doing that. But you know, what about what is the alternative here?

Bike?

I say she was asking for it.

No, Wow, I grew up snowboarding, but I've been wanting to try skiing for a while.

Yeah, I've never really skied. I've only snowboarded.

But I like snowboarding a lot, so I don't think I'm gonna mess with snowboard. I think that's fine, probably the way to go.

Like, we can do that. You guys get the skis. That'd be fun.

You could do you can recreate the Flanders Homer things like I'm wearing nothing at all.

Let's do it.

Let's do a skia though, everybody, you all come here and we'll ski around here.

Yeah Hoboken lifts.

Yeah, I would have go Okay, I like it.

I don't like it.

Electoville, Ellicottvilleville, Ellicottville, New York is where Holiday Valley is, I know, Okay, yeah.

It's a problem assuming somewhere like Southern Catskills.

Yeah, Southern cats Skills. Yeah, what are these dames?

Guys?

Mount mountains? It is cool.

Actually, it's looks like it's due south of Buffalo. Is that Catskills?

I know that that's.

Semi close to sir. Buffalo is two hours west.

Of It looks like forty five minutes north of the eighty six Yeah eighty six.

Yeah, just south of Buffalo, not just south. But yeah, I don't know. That place was great though.

I had a really long trail that you could ski down for like twenty minutes, and that's what I really like.

Let's do that or just all get drunk in New Orleans. Yeah, let's go both. They both sound fun. Yes, sure do.

The classic Holiday Valley Chicago New Orleans trip that everybody had.

That sounds like a good time. Yeah, bang bang bang.

You guys want to talk about video games?

Sure?

Do you ever play Rugrats in Paris on n sixty four?

No? No, it was like the first Rugrats game.

So I don't recall this in the movie, but the whole game you're in a theme park in Paris and it's a movie that is they repitar Land. It's like a a mini open world, reptile Land, and then you're going around to the different like mini games. Is this the podcast the game of the week and I still have it? It's the black cartridge there was, but after a while we realized there were only like two good mini games, one of which was like Putt Putt?

Are Mike that?

Or Our Marines on the n sixty four?

Oh god, our Marines over anything modern?

Do you really shoot like ar Marines?

Because I don't know.

It's it's a nostalgia thing.

It's not okay, okay, I totally get feelings for it. Oh that's fine, I get that. No, no, no, yes, I still love that game. I have fine feelings for it.

But it's like, looking back, Dan, you were playing it recently. I think when I.

Visited just No I, I had you over and I had the ever Drive on the CRT and I was like, hey, name of sixty four Game of Love and you're like Our Marines, like right away, oh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it had like the worst straw distance of any game on the N sixty four something.

Yeah, the Alien's coming from like.

It was that every shooter ranked on N sixty four, it was like the second worst one on that list.

Mike of that weird weird guy that did ut. Yeah. Yeah.

It was also I remember the controls. I mean it was an N sixty four controller. They're trying to do a shooter, first person shooter, and it wasn't GoldenEye. I mean it was like you had to move left and right with the joystick, but then go forward and backwards with.

The sea buttons.

I don't know, it was gold Strafe with sea left and right, you look up and down with ceps down, and then like the center stick was kind of just like look around.

It was all funny.

You could also hold are and do the joystick to look up and down. But yeah you did that maybe the yes to your point just like lift it and I still to this day I'm inverted on my left hand. Sixty four games, yeah, because it made sense because it's like it was like a stick halfway through the screen that I was tilting. But then Halo came along, and even Halo's original controls combat evolves were weird until they made the what we now know as first person look

Nothing you can do here on the podcast.

We've been there.

We come in with the game stuff. They all rugrats and all that stuff.

That's what we came in. I like it. I like it. I like it.

Before you say anything, Mike, I am curious here because this is not really a genre. I hear you liking a ton You're on a podcast with three guys that are in love with this game. I don't think i've heard anyone be anything less than just raving glowing ear, and to be fair, I have not heard you say anything about this game.

Yeah.

Well, Party is a huge Xbox fan boy, so I expect him to come in here and be very skeptical.

Yes, saying is that.

We're all going to beat the ship out of you.

I hate that Master Chiefs not in it.

Really.

I love three platformers. They definitely do not loom as large in my life as you are. Like Tim Turry, I've played every three D Mario Odyssey. I think is one of like the best games. I think the only Mario three D platform that beats is Galaxy one or two.

I like more.

It's like Galaxy, and I also have a soft spot like Banjo, Kazoo and Twoe I talk about a lot, but those I don't talk about for the platforming. I talk about those just more like collected on weird, crazy designed. Yeah, I think Astrobot's very good. I think it's an extremely well crafted game. It feels more to me like a theme park, and I mean that as a compliment. It's kind of you know, I I think it does gimmicks

The frog gauntlets, And.

I have some annoyances with it, however, and maybe it's just because I'm like, I don't know this. So towards the end of some of the some of the stages, you can find those secret Galaxy flags. Is there a way to unlock those without then going back.

To the screen secret it's a secret exit like Super Mario World or.

Something, So maybe I'm trying to. I guess I'm asking if I'm getting frustrated for no reason. So I'll find those and be like, well, I want to finish the stage, so then I'm going to go back to the normal exit, and then I have to go back. Not that I'm not enjoying replaying these stages, but sometimes I'm like, I want to go see what the next stage is, but I was like, I got to replay it, so then I can go take the normal exit.

Are you as you're playing the level, You're you're collecting everything first time I.

Bought, I go back, I'm hundred percent so far.

Then it's easy because you go back into a level, and if you are not scouring every area of the bot and just those levels can go pretty quick through them, and.

It's fun to like see how fast you can do it. Actually like that, just you got to like make your.

Own Oh yeah, and Jeff, you're faster at this game than anybody then, yes.

Yeah, I'm glad you're historically accurate on that. Yes, I'm Jeff.

It's one of those It's one of those games that I like respect it more than I really enjoy it because it's extremely well crafted. I'm I'm impressed by it, but it's I'm not like, I'm not jumping out of my seat while I play it, And that could be due to the fact that three D platforms, yeah, are not the thing that like, yeah, governs most of my taste. But no, I'm it's a very joyful game. I'm it feels like they had a lot of fun designing it, which is the mark of a good game to me.

A like a very fine tune theme park, though, you.

Like like collecting all the bots and being like, oh wow, this person from that game, and I think this person.

Would be here. I have.

I have some fondness for PlayStation characters for sure, Dan, who was the character? Is it a spoiler if you tell me you said there was one that you.

Were I'll just everyone mute right now for like fifteen seconds if you don't want to know.

Wait, can you wait? What stage are they in?

Oh? Remember that now?

It was kind of it was like.

Incredible Crisis is the mister Brisquito?

Oh?

Okay, Incredible Crisis one was so insane. What's the messed up businessman or something?

A stressed warrior wear game that's maybe even crazier in some ways, it's just about a Japanese family, like we have to have we have to.

Have you played to Jeff because I know I'm going to pitch game.

I shall never heard anyone bring up outside of me of their own accord. It's always like me being like playing this, check this weird thing out, you know.

Yeah, this is way past the time Dan told them to mute.

Seconds. Yeah.

The boss fights are incredibly well done.

I ah, they're fun and I.

Love it's I don't know it's their use of space on those.

They never do more than two phases, but and it's like still always three hits, and that third hit is sometimes like, all right, now you're gonna do an awesome platforming stage in the middle of this boss fight, and you'll get the end, and then we'll give you the funnest third hit you've ever had.

I've only seen two of them.

Yeah, octopus his eyeballs and fucking long myself into him.

Yeah.

Well, the first one, it's like it's like to finally finish off the gorilla, you're just launching into his throat, basically like big.

He's got a big symbol in his throat that is the symbol of the power up you have. And he never asked why anyone installed that there. It's great, yeah, oh yeah.

Also just I mean it rivals Nintendo for it's like nonverbal how it teaches you those things like you just mentioned. It's got the same symbol and throw. It's it's incredible game design. Again, like I I really don't have many qualms with it, but it's definitely not like one of the best games I've ever played.

That's fair.

Like I don't expect everyone to feel the same as I do with every game where Matt you but yeah no, but it's like I mean, years ago, when I oppress you and pretended I loved it.

Games to acknowledge.

I think if you came out here and said like, this is a shooty game, which I'm sure there are people saying it, then I'd think, like, Okay, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But it's just like it's not really your thing as much as his mind. So like everything he said is correct. What a mana walks by and like sees some of the stages. She's like, I can't help but stop and like, watch the dessert world is awesome. What was the one after that that?

Yeah, shrinking World's great.

I also really appreciate how often it is switching up, Like I I thought the ape escape thing would be annoying chasing them down, but I like how they I like. I like how they change up the structure. It wasn't just a linear A to B two C thing.

It was an escape level. Here they will continue.

Yeah, here they all are in.

There's been a few of those.

But it's like, oh, this is great because they're actually toying with the like objective.

Oh.

I literally like when I got the net, I went into apiscape mode and was using the right analog stick to like play it like ap Escape. It's like, oh, wait, this isn't actually shoot ap escape here, you know.

Yeah, really good game. One of my favorites of the year for sure. I don't think it's like changing my life though, that's what.

I do think this is going to be.

Uh.

I think it's going to be a pretty safe game of the year at a lot of outlets. Uh, come game of the Year time. I think I'm going to have to fight together as high as I can here. But like I don't really hear Mary or Jake, you know, Like I don't know. I don't know if it makes Fire Escapes game of the Year, you know, because I think I'm the one big soapbox guy for it.

Do you think this is a shoe in for a lot of outlets Astrobot?

Yeah, yeah, it's got a ninety five on Open.

Critic or something.

I will eat the biggest hat you've ever found if it's not Giant Bombs and min Max's and a bunch of other places.

I wonder how it's going to do at the Game Awards because nominated hard to say. I think it has a good shot. It would be without it not a gimme.

Yeah, I I I have other games I've enjoyed more than it, for sure.

But what what? What are your favorite games this year?

Another one we're talking about tonight, Wild Bastards.

I you love it that much? Wow? Fell in love with it?

What else this year was Bilatro.

Prince of Persia lost crown.

That was great?

Uh?

You guys, you guys started DLC for that. It came out this week. The Distory DLC is out this week. The review should be hitting.

I think soon you know, none of you fire Escapers are Final Fantasy people. I get very upset every us.

Three of us three are I'm the most I'd say, I still have you have to play Rebirth. But every time I like, I told, I tell Jake this, and like, I still have to play Rebirth, He's like, you're not going to play it.

You don't need to.

But he's he's not saying that out of disrespect to Final Fantasy. I think he just knows that my tolerance for like open world stuff, for open world stuff's sake and these days.

But I do want to.

I love remake, so I want to it hit with me real like it probably was my game of the year and til Astro but it might you know, who knows how I feel at the end of it.

But uh, and I'll tell you what. That's the one.

You know, the PlayStation five Pro and all that stuff. It's mostly unappealing, but when they show.

That game, it looks videos that's the one that's like, that game does look just a lot better on the place you should play pro.

I don't want to put words in Jake or Mary's mouth. Dan, I think right now as a group, I could be way off and we'll see. I hope I'm off because I don't want to actually active, like correctly predict it. Right now, I think Balatro is probably the front runner.

That's yeah, if it's not as I would for the record.

Every single anything Russia.

Zelda, Yeah, it was almost at the end. You and Mary tried pulling the rug out from under us and making it Pickman.

I was.

I was rooting for pick but I was too The execution of the switch left a lot to be desired.

Yeah, Grob had a good baby face turn on Pickman during ours.

He went up to the make up.

Into the last And I think, right now, when I think about the best game I played last year, Pickman four, I think.

Is it you know what resident evil for?

But sure, Tiers the Kingdom comes up, and I think I have I was talking to a lot of people in Portland about and Zelda and stuff that was coming up a lot, and we were talking about Tears the Kingdom and I think I have finally enough time has passed where it's like there's that question that came up a lot of like, oh, it's Breath the Wild better Tiers the Kingdom. I do think I can confidently say now that I think I like Breath of the Wild more.

Yeah, it changed everything basically for open worlds.

Yeah, and even though there's there's things that Tears the Kingdom like it, it does all of that and more. There is just something to be said about that first time, Like that first time I played Breath the Wild, there's no way you could replicate that by just like adding more to it the.

Next time as cool as well.

Yes, I also think Breath of the Wild is a much more focused experience, which is crazy to say when it's that big.

But yeah, I love my time with Tears of the Kingdom going.

I did everything I could underground, most of the stuff you can do in all the other biomes, and like the bullshit they put in there is my kind of bullshit. But here's some just chain physics puzzles. You like that ship like, yes, give me more of that. Yeah, But Breath of the Wild is a singular experienced.

Me cry.

Yeah, you guys talk about how big three platformers are in your like general taste map, I don't know what you want to call it emergent there immersive. So for them to put immersive sim elements into Breath of the wilds, like what more news.

About it goes to wisdom by the way, that's that's an immersive soul. Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, I can't wait for that. That that I mean that who knows where that jumps up if it's if I like it, maybe I.

Don't, but we'll talk about that next episode probably, Yeah, got it soon.

Yeah that's crazy. Yeah.

No, overall, I like it's also I think it's an easy game to argue for, Like it's there's so many things it does really well.

Wait, it does everything right, right, I mean, even if it's not everyone's cup of tea necessarily, the way that they set up the levels, the way that they have all the extras, the fact that everything between all the connective tissue is like here is a fun little thing to mess with. It's not part of the objectives, it's

It's hard not to respect that.

It's one of the most imaginative games I've played in a long time.

That is what makes it like most like the Galaxy games.

It's like, oh, they just wrote down every idea they had and they took the top ten percent of the best of those ideas and made a game using those ideas, and it's.

Incredible that love the Cloud Mario Power yep.

I would love to see like the deleted levels, the cutting room floor in this game.

Yeah, for sure.

For the record, earlier, Mike, you said that, oh, you've played games better than Astrobot, and I agreed, but I didn't realize you were talking about this year. So for the record, it is I have not played a game this year that I find better than Master. And for the record, I'm Team Tiers of the Kingdom. Just wanted to say thank you, appreciate it. That's completely reasonable credit.

Yeah, we give you. Yeah, we're cool.

Cool.

My My favorite thing about fire Escape Game of the Year is I think it's just a known thing that at a certain point the argument it matters, Like the argument becomes the key thing. And at a certain point, I think one of us always need there's always someone in the group that calms down. Is like, Okay, wait a minute, I actually think, Yeah.

Well, you've been drinking for eight straight hours and we're exhausted by that point and maybe have broken limbs as in the last year.

How how's maybe gonna hurt you this year? Well, this is still pretty broken. She's sending me some she's brainstorming.

It's gonna be a much more emotional damage this year.

Look for Assassin.

Yeah, you do you have any additional thoughts asked about that? You didn't say last episode.

I think for me and Grubbs super Platinum, did we think Minati didn't like it enough?

I guess to the diet, those four extra bots you're talking about aren't even in this game. You have to play.

The number goes up to three five in the game. Oh I'm Jeff, I'm like stage capitalism. I only care about the number going up.

Political Mike, here we go. No populated in your fucking crash site. They are in the game, like they are absolutely part of that game.

Oh they or whatever it is, there's four. Yeah, we won't spoil it. Yeah, gotcha, they're all master chief.

Yeah as great? Uh okay, I'm sure have we all played Wild Bastards or Mike? Did you?

I played? I played?

I started it tonight and I played about an hour and a half and actually, can I start?

Because serious because I've heard divisive things on this game. And I was talking to Mac Getz, who I work with, and he was telling me I didn't realize the game was this and that it's like, oh, this is really weird. So I'm curious, where are you at, sister ninety minutes and I'm on my third playthrough.

Right, so I did my first to a game over basically, so that's where I'm at. So I'm kind of just beginning to piece together how the loop feels to me. Like Dan did a good job describing it, so understand I knew what to expect going in, and I'm like,

Okay, and it's hard to click for me.

Yeah, so, uh before I forget two things of some of the aces, especially later in the playthrough, they don't just like make something a current mechanic noticeably different. It'll be like, oh, now your dynamites blow up into a bunch of other smaller dynamites and like secondary so there's like actual right mechanical like changes.

Bullets and now have brimstone fire effect on them. Yeah.

So again like Haites where it's like you have the dodge and now your dodge is an attack.

And stuff like that, where it's like it builds on the stopman coded damage on your Webinner.

RNG is great in these kind of games because often you're selecting things bait, building out what you got before, and you're consciously trying to make a certain build. Other times you have no choice but to adapt to what the game's giving you. So they're a nice give and take. You said you played till a game over.

Yeah, my first like just the like I played until my crew all got wiped.

So did you stop and put it down there?

I I just stop because I like it to make it ki okay.

So here's the thing about the game, And I'll be the first to say this game could do a much better job of teaching many of its systems.

This is what I was going to say, because I saw Mary was streaming this and I popped into her stream and she just started it. And I think everyone's first like hour plus in this game is like what is Okay, there's the sector level, but then also this stuff on the planet, but then what is persistent three? Yeah, And I could tell Mary was kind of still in that period of like who do I kill here?

What do I do? What's you know, like I don't really get this.

You know, it can be down two guys here, Like it takes i'd say at least an hour an hour and a half to kind of start clicking and grub.

It sounds like you're kind of yeah.

It's where I'm like, I did realize, so I did play like just a touch further where it's like, Okay, I have the one character that I picked to survive, and then I saw the Golden coffin and I'm like, oh, they taught me that that brings back one of these characters already, So I bet I'm able to bring back these other characters and then I take them back down to a planet. Like I haven't done that.

Part yet, so I'm curious what happens when you load back up. Dan, did you finish the first play through?

I beat the Yeah, I saw credits to a couple nights ago.

Did you do it in one run?

No?

Because like that's the thing is like it's the rogue light part of it is it seems I thought at first, for hours, I thought that if I died, I'm going back to the very beginning. And then but it's like oh no, that sector, you're going back to the beginning of that sector.

And it really there's there's an iron Man mode that will be like a true rogue like that gets you all the way back to the your first play through.

And Dan correct me if I'm wrong in some way. It's the first play through is not a rogue light. Things are randomized. You will procedural shooter, but you will go back on the sector map. You will go back to the start of that, but it's not sending you to the beginning of the game. It's a rogue light light you have like a checkpoint. It's basically taking to a checkpoint. Yeah, so like if you if you get if you pick up an ace or two, like a

And once you unlock them, you're never losing the characters. If you have five bastards and you die, you're gonna have those five bastards.

They all have to get injured and they go back to the beginning of sector and also injured. Yeah yeah, yeah, So it's in the new game play and I still think the narrative the first play through is super fun. I think the character designs great. I love finding different synergies because for anybody who hasn't played it, you could just press R one or RB and you immediately become your you go down in Duo's.

Yeah, they can only go down. They can only be on the field one at a time, but you can have multiple there and you can switch.

Yeah.

And if you played Void Bastards, that was two layers, like the FTL layer where you're unlocking certain doors or no sorry, yeah, you're you're traveling across space, and then there's the shooter section.

This has three.

There's traveling space, there's when you beam down to the planet you're on this like board game map, and then there's the shoot arenas. In the arenas are bite size, quick fire like Quake, almost Doom esque like with Halo Enemy variety. And I've seen reviews saying that the enemy variety is very low. However, when you get into Lake game, there's a lot of messaging. Dan, I was like, I counted, there's twenty different kinds of.

You get the like you get the data pads that show you how many sucks there are. At least there's at least twenty.

Yeah, and many of them are like just upstats of the Vanilla version. However, there are others that act very differently that actually once and again, I think I don't think the game is great at teaching you several things. I think they want you to learn through trial and error. However, some of your decisions you could be making a bad decision and have no idea you're about to fuck things up again. You're only going back to the beginning of sector.

This is and I don't have raw hide. This is gonna fucking suck.

Or let's say there's a yellow bellies and then there's a bunch of like animals, those coyotes. His stunt will fucking take it. The call of the wild stunt or whatever will take over those so like it subverts them. So like you can shoot through the guys with shields and also see these coyotes and be like you're mine.

Yeah, and you can build so stunts are they're ultimates. They have unique stats and movements some of them, and they have unique weapons and then they have the stunt. They're ultimately and you can It took me like three hours to realize I could stack those and not even oh yeah yeah. So at one point I was raw Hyde and there were four Grizzlies left. They're one of the more difficult animals, and I had four stunts, so I just went R one R one, R one, R one, and I won and I didn't even see them.

I had subverted them from across the map.

And some of them just like break things in a way that you don't see what FPS where. It's like you get smoky and it'll just like three unseen enemies will catch on fire. So you look at a few of those, it's like pooh, pooh, pooh. Like you you might not even see an enemy and you kill them all. And for anyone who like is like, oh man, these combat arenas are pretty simple. It's a pretty basic FPS yes, but also it is just one part.

Of the game.

Like I asked you, no, this is this is the key for me is that that's when I started enjoying is like, oh, this is a board game first, maybe, yeah, and these combat arenas are a not a mini game, but they are an event that happens.

In the Mario party.

You've got based up for your rolling the dice and going around the board and needed million games every once.

In a while.

And when I started viewing it that way, I'm like, well, I am and joining the board game a lot, and then I get to take some of this fun stuff into these arenas, and the fact that it's kind of simple is maybe not a feature instead of a bug.

It's like a fun break between like strategizing and like, okay, there's like a spring.

All the stuff that you're getting on the board, which is cool.

Yeah, and the board game part is cool because like you'll go down to the planet level the board game part and there will be like you know, three to five things where it's like, okay, here's some money, here's here's an ace that I want to get, here's a mod for my guns. You want to get it all, but you don't have to. You can go right to the thing and being.

Back up, but be back out immediately if you wanted to yes one on the board.

Yeah, yeah, you don't have to pick anything up, but you want to get everything to help you run and so, but if you take too much time, then they'll start worping owt like this guy mc neil and like his buddies and stuff. So there's like these higher powered guys that will move around the board and be a little

Three extra space or something. Yeah.

So like there are like I really really like the board game element of this and Greb, like you said, it's really quick to me.

Yeah.

The accent at that point is just like, okay, this is like the fun, like you know, shoot.

A part of this, you know, right, It's like cool that I get to actually shoot stuff with this board game character. Now, it's like going with board games would be better if they had a shooting segment command conquer Renegade in it. No, it's on PC, so we can mod it in for you, Mike geez ikin'd of like mods. That's right, you're anti mod This.

Game also avoids this design trope that many games do. I think in a lesser game, these characters have these. I think every character in their own way is overpowered. And like you said, these princes, they're called that. These three characters that work down, they're basically the narratively, they're hunting you across the galaxy. You're trying to escape them. They beam down and Judge is a really powerful character. He's which also the like the creativity in the weapons

So that's what you want from a Rogue Light, right. You want to feel overpowered occasionally.

I think many games would be like, no, we want the boss to be difficult artificially, so we're not gonna let these powers work on them. It's like, no, if if the boss is the last one and you have the bow and arrow and it's a character, it's narratively it's one of the later characters, and if there's a twenty five percent chance to subvert them to your team one and four is crazy when you're shooting that often.

Yeah.

So I actually I don't think the game truly truly struck me as being excellent until the new game. Plus, there are two other ways you could play it. There is iron Man Mode, which is you go back to the beginning of the game, and also it's shuffling the character, so that's what's fun. It's like you get the characters in a random order, which is very fun. Because team comp I actually got like bad roles on this play through. I got Spike who by himself. He him and Kaboom,

He's also great for Yellow Belli's just thrown behind him.

Oh sure.

I got Spike, who's like this stealth character who can be really good and you get the right mods.

But there's a bunch of defenses because his stunt is you can just subvert turds and stuff like that.

So New game plus then Iron Man with shuffle characters. I also did the Super iron Man, which is if in the base game, if your characters are injured, which means they basically are dead until you get a tonic to revive them, or each time you warp between sectors they get revived.

In Super iron Man they do not.

You need tonics to revive them, so you can warp to a new sector and it does not revive them. Oh wow, So the game really got good, and the board game stuff got much more interesting when I was playing on a harder difficulty, And these are separate from the difficulties, so you can keep playing on normal difficulty but have these modifiers, so there's a lot of room

You're oh, I never got to that one.

Yeah, it got to the point where I was farming the princes for infamy, so I was waiting there. I was like, Okay, this is getting I think the game can get a bit easy later in the first play through, but the difficulty is such now that I'm actually it's a much more of a risk reward weighing, and I'm like, I could leave the map now, even though there's a tonic up there which could come in handy later if let's say Preach, She's my only character that I could take a loan on missions.

I have like Spike and Kaboom, and I have raw Hide, and all of them are better as like back up characters. Maybe not raw Hide, but.

It gets more difficult and there's more the stakes are higher, and it makes the decision making like that more fraught.

I'm really really enjoying the new game.

Plus, and also it's I really really like just the pace of this game, like those those The firefights are quick, but I think if there were too long it would get cloying.

It is a tremendous theme deck game because it's just like I'm playing so easy to just you know, play a couple or like, you know, I've played entire flights, you know, playing this game or pick it up for fifteen minutes and then get a full session and it's.

Yeah, oh man, it's so fucking good. Yeah, I like the game a lot. Yep.

Anyway, what uh what else are you, Mike?

What have you been playing? Well?

A sides from Alone in the Dark for the Wii, which I wouldn't really playing anyone because my friends are jerks.

That's not that sucks man, man, why would they? But there's a good games out there.

Yeah, I know, it's strange. I've been playing through a lot of the Frum software library. After beating Shadow of the r Tree, having any film with that, and realizing that somehow I never played the Dark Souls games, decided should finally go and do.

I'm still kind of hungry for more of that formula.

Played through all Dark Souls one and really really liked it, totally got the hype, and you know, Dark Souls two has kind of a weird reputation. You have some people really defend the game, but a lot of people are like, no, it's definitely the Black Sheep. And I'm like forty hours into it now, I'm playing through the DLC content before I do the final Boss. I've been playing a lot of it, and I both like it and also completely understand that reputation.

It does just feel a little weird and a little off.

Compared to Dark Souls one or even an Elder Ring, And some of it is just kind of Some of it's the way the game's designed, Like there's a lot of areas where the soul's combat is really designed for one on one encounters, and sometimes they'll switch that up and you'll fight two people, or maybe you'll fight four weaker people and you have to do one big screen whatever.

Eventually you're actually kind of figure it out. Hit boxes are also weird.

I had one instance where here's a big troll boss or something, and he has this big grab move and it's very telegraphs like I don't want to grab you, so you backroll and grabs me and I backroll and he misses, and then his hand is here and my character model just warps to his hands. It's like, nope, you belong here. Then he bites my head off. Right, I'm like, oh, that's that's a lot of fun. Uh, you know, Having said that, it's still ultimately one of

Generally. Two also has Scholar of the First Sin, which so I'm playing that version.

Oh okay, yeah, I was gonna say, honestly, I don't even anytime anybody tells me they haven't played that game, I'm like, don't bother going back to the like actual og, Scholar of the First Sin is much more balanced and well paced.

Right and I've been I've been playing these on stream, so like, and you know, if you play Soul's games, you're gonna attract a lot of the Soul siccos, which is mostly a nice thing because you can ask them a lot of questions. Yeah, sometimes you have to tell them to not offer it up in voluntarily. It is nice to have them there, especially because you know Dark Souls two like getting to the DLCs, and that was even a problem Dark Souls one, you would never know how to access the DLC.

It's actually in that game. It's it's it's like, go to this.

Area, fight this boss, roll over here, fight this thing, talk to this lady two times, go to completely separate.

Ay, you already were before, Kill that goll and pick up that item. Go back. It's insane.

Here it's a little better, but it's still like you have to get a ring from this place and then open the door over here.

Like how would you know that? You wouldn't.

I was watching like your first dream with that and you accidentally joined a cult that made the game way harder right away.

I immediately and the hometown there is a you know, there's covenants in the first game, and I barely understood what they did.

I think it was mostly something about spells.

I don't even know, but I was like, I found a stone statue like join our Covenant blah blah blah, and my eyes kind of glazed over them.

Yeah.

Sure, apparently I activated hard mode and for a while I was like, man, Dark Soils two is.

A lot harder than Dark So.

It's a call it that whenever giants go to grab you, it warps you to their fists. And then, have you played blood Borne Demon Souls?

I did play Bloodborne, okay, not Souls.

Though not I played, I've just like started a couple of times that I got too far, same fitting the Sacro played. It never got too far, So I planned to go back to Pacoro and Demon Souls. I want to play blood Board again, but but I'm holding I'm holding out for some kind of remiss.

Stop don't know. Some guys do not hold play blood Borne.

No, because I did that with I replayed Metroid Prime and I replayed Papermark, and a certain.

Level of certainty that they are not working on a blood Board remaster. Yeah, I play it, Okay, I'm going to wait. I okay.

Blood Board is one of my top five games of all time. I'm telling you it's good enough where you could play it, and then if this imaginary PC whatever port comes true, you will want to replay it and do a new weapon.

Already framed character.

Right, Well, keep buying a fifteens five and yeah that's not happened. We can just steal Andy Cortez's oh yeah, big terms one of him.

Bloodborne is awesome. I've never played it.

I don't think I've ever come around in a game so hard. Maybe Death Stranding is the only other exception. I did not love Sekiro the first time I played it. I got like five hours in and I remember like it just would not click with me. And then I went and I replayed Bloodborne. It's like I got to

Yeah, Like I got five hours into Secord.

I was enjoying it, but then fell off, and now I'm like really excited to eventually get back there started again and really be all about it.

They have boss fights in that game that are some of the I mean, Dan, you know, in terms of games that make you like, you know, like that first pattern recognition in bosses, I love them, but like, yeah, seci Ro is just there's bosses there that I've never gotten into this like such a fugue state as when I thought some of those bosses like all right, I gotta jump this attack, I gotta perry this one. I

Now I am worried because my builds in all of these games is very tanky, sordid shield thing, and that worked really well for me in Elder Ring, worked very well for me in Dark Souls one Dark Souls too, the shield has been kind of Garbo but sort of making it work. But yeah, Cecro, it's it's a much more about perrying, which I.

Never do, but it feels so good that you'll get it.

You're very good at perrying in Resident Evil four remakes, Sonna be Fine.

I flirted with the idea of going back to because it was the first frum game or I guess of the like souls type from games that I beat Adventures of Cookies and Cream. Hell yeah, let's go your first. No, No, Bloodborn is the first one I beat. The reason I'm scared of Sekiro is I can't do the thing. The from games I beat are like as far as the soul's type ones are Bloodborn and elden Ring, and both of them I just just cheese and farmed and just fucking got super super leveled up, and you can't do

I think you're selling yourself a bit short. Honestly, I think Mike Tyson's punch out is, yeah, if you can, you can.

If you could be Tyson, you could beat anything, any boss in any from game.

Yes, that's correct.

Can I mod Securo for so all the bosses or Mike Tyson probably, and I can play as Jake Paul.

Which is what you need to beat games. I get it. Yeah, of course Jake Paul sucks.

For the record, I do think Securo is one of the games where you need to you're gonna but like bash your head against some bosses. Like there's certain bosses that gave me trouble that Jake was like, oh weird that I had no problem. Then Jake's like, oh, that's the hardest boss in the game, and then I one shot it.

I don't know.

I think it's more just about like people's mind wrap around it, minds wrap around it differently. Yeah, Kayla, not being able to beat it scary.

But I'm not discounting the possibility. I just ooh boy, it's probably the one that scares me the most.

When you do the the front perry where you step on the other a person's weapon. It's one of the best feelings in the world, less animation. It's incredible and you'll get addicted to that and you'll want to get through the whole game because better than carrying a chainsaw if your knife and it's neck and neck. But don't I'm really excited to start Dark Soul's three because apparently that one's like a lot like Darksel's one, but faster paced.

And it is that sounds kind of nice. I got so much shit for giving that game an eight at game Spot.

I stand by it, and then Kevin van Ord, who reviewed the previous ones before he left game Spot, He's also like, yeah, I would have given it eight.

So everybody was like freaking out about that as well.

We all have one of those. I gave uh Devil May cryt five to seven, and some people are still mad at me. But it's all right.

I was right.

Dark Darksels three is the one I'm most likely to reap, or I'm always the closest to replaying it is. However, I think they definitely kind of were more writing the ship after two and playing it safe.

Sure, yeah, because it's like also more of a direct sequel to one. Right, a lot of the same bull and characters are kind of showing up her references, at least to that pantheon of characters where Stark sols too.

It's almost like a final.

Fantasy thing where it's like, yeah, it's Dark Souls too, but it's not connected to the previous thing in any real way.

Sor He was Mike, I'm an idiot.

I spent a solid thirty seconds confused because I thought you said I gave Devil May Cry five of seven, and I was like, wait, I didn't know he was reviewing back in one, and I was like, but his scoring system was out of seven.

Yeah, we're real and usual. Gazy had that seven point scale. Matic critic hated us five of seven.

DNC No. Five. Seven is just my seven favorite, my second favorite board. Yeah, uh oh yeah, I get that.

Even I don't know I even with that because seven of nine was a big thing. Oh, you wouldn't know seven of nine put the lotion under her shirt and that one that's also what is this think about the sexy Star Trek characters, Mike, we're fucking space.

Now get on board seven of nine.

And then t Apostrophe p O l that with lotion Apostrophe wear cat suits. Yeah, David, it's uh David du Coveny, No, No, it's it's not David Comany, it's the other one. I always conflating with the guy from from What's the Time Travel show?

Got Back, Got Back?

That's super weird. I always got David Ducoveney and John Ritter mixed up. Really Okay, spacially, we were talking about the company recently because of that's right, what happened with them? They were married, but he was like his character on Californication and so they divorced.

Yeah, biography, I know, seven of nine, I remember that was her name.

Yeah, it's a Quantum Leaf Steve song yet kind of incredible and yeah, that's so.

Happy that you guys ever watched the new Quantum Leap would apparently been on for like multiple seasons.

Now really that's the thing that broke me on reboots because it's like, like fifteen years ago, if you told me Quantum Leap was back, I was like, well that's important, but.

Now how the world and no one even talking was like, oh miammy device is coming back, and then no one talks about to be on the No they like my Heami Advice was a hit, but they even stuff like the Saved by the Bell, like things that were like touchstones of a generation and with the original and no one cares full house, Yeah, I think weirdly, Well, for a second.

Well I might have.

I think it might have throwed off in the end. I don't know, but you're right, like every it's at a point now where everything gets rebooted.

So it doesn't matter.

What could they reboot that would actually have like a massive like, oh, this actually matters and we need to watch one.

That seems sacred somehow.

So far in terms of like rebooting into a new movie or show, has been back to the future.

For like some Well didn't they.

I think the guys that are responsible that said that, they literally will not let it happen until they die, right, So like like maybe when that happens, that might be.

I don't say good, but people will be like, okay, we'll take notice.

Once the Point Break remake happened, I'm like, who cares? Who cares? Yes, And I was just like, oh, I won't even remember this happened a couple of years from now, So like I'm not even gonna get mad about it.

No.

I remember when Liken the Spike TV era and Ren.

And Stimpy came back, they said, fucking they fuck Now, It's like, what that's.

So freaking weird. That was on that new TV buckets that in Stripper re Spike TV, which was the channel that played the Star Check the next Generation reruns to bring it all back.

So I was watching for a couple of season TV and RAW. So yeah, I was watching a lot of Spike TV. Yeah good, grew up. You've been playing Star Wars Outlaws.

Yeah yeah, I kind of got back into it after some traveling, and I am glad that I'm able to take it slow. I don't envy anyone that had to review this game in a handful of days, because if you yes, like I acknowledge, there's a lot of mediocre elements, especially at the beginning of the game. I think it makes a pretty poor first impression. It is a stealth game in many ways, and it's not like the best stealth. It's not bad, it's fine. You can have fun with them,

I know.

There's a lot of weird to talk out there about that saying that Star Wars is too Yeah, I wear I was wearing the Star Wars shirt on January sixth. Absolutely, I can mostly just enjoying hanging out in this space because it feels very Star Wars. And that doesn't just mean you go to tattooing, which you definitely do in this game. I've actually not been there yet. They have some new planets that just feel like, oh my god.

I'm finding that very effective.

And then when I did the demo, like when the planet I was on was this kind of like Savannah themes Star Wars, I thought that it was like a very interesting biome change.

Right, So that's because that's a wind biome, and they're like there's people who farm wind and stuff for inner g and like it's like they know what they're doing. They like know what makes like a Star Wars biome work. And then I went to a snow planet that was instead of like a hath it is actually a very

And then there's just a lot of people just scraping by. And I love that ship. So they go there and Rise of Skywalker. Oh really, is that the right?

Carrie Russell's character at that movie out of his mind? But that is that planet is my favorite part of that movie.

Yeah, it's cool.

It's it's like it's like monk architecture, like yeah, Asian monk but sorry, they specifically pulled from Tibetan architecture and then put it in like a very blizzardy planet.

It's super cool for sure, and it works this place charted too.

Yeah, yeah, this type of Tibet like this is this type of like you know Star Wars and that you like to explore. Is did you like like Jedi Survivor in that same type of way?

I do?

And I've not played through all of the Survivor.

I kind of fell off because Zelda came out at the same time, and I've then I got so busy. I haven't gone back, but I love Fallen Order and I keep meaning to go back to the Survivor, and now that Survivor is on old Gin consoles, I'm going to see if it works better on the ally and actually play it on there. Oh yeah, so but yes, I do like that stuff, and like when I watched

When I was at that preview event, I did an interview with some people worked on the game, and I tried to ask them if they were inspired by Shows of the Empire and they looked at me and I never felt so old in my life. I looked at Oh, it's like, oh, oh no, you people are making a Star Wars game, you are like, how dare you bring up shows the Empire.

Yeah, it's it's I don't know if it was a comic con or like DVD commentary. They talked about their maybe this is more well known than I'm bringing it up as I like, it's a cool tidbit. But they've talked when they're designing a new planet, they they they're

Yeah.

Yeah, they always they always try to ground a lot of stuff with familiarity. That was like thinking with like the John Williams music too, It's like, oh, so it's word's up, but let's use a classical like very familiar score. And yeah, that's always been one of the appeals to Star Wars. But I played the game and now I'm just having fun. Kind of consistently no matter what I'm doing. The I did a couple of stealth missions through Imperial fortresses that I found very satisfying, just because I do

So that's fun.

And then I'm like getting the hang of the faction system where it's like everything I do is going to have those ramifications. And that feels a little bit like the Hans Solo fantasy that I would have imagined as a kid, where it's like he's just doing his thing and sometimes he's really in good with Java, and then the next week he did one thing to mess up, and now Jaba put out a hit on him, and

You joined the Subach mini game, I am. Yeah, it's a previous in game card game. Yeah.

I had a pretty bad run right at the start, and now every time since then, I've kind of won consistently, which is pretty fun.

I should I should consider playing both Outlaws and Jedi Survivor, because I've heard great things about Jedi Survivor. For sure, I liked it. I didn't beat it. I got pretty far in it, like near the end, and I stopped. But like I love the original trilogy, I have like weird nostrologia for the prequel trilogy, as flawed as those are, and I really liked seven and eight, but then I hated nine, And I haven't seen really any of the I don't have this plus, so I haven't seen any.

Don't need to watch it. You can watch and or, but that's good. I've heard that's really good.

It's the best TV show that's ever been made. But yeah, yeah, so that is the one I'm curious about. But yeah, someone who just does have a certain fondness for Star Wars without being a super fan, I feel like these games sound good enough towards I'd like to just kind of be in that world a bit, you know.

I think Outlaws might be Yeah, that might work for you, actually, Yeah, and then the Survivors just a apparently the story gets very good and I like I like that sort of light, dark soul style game.

Yeah, Dan, I'm curious what you'd think about Outlaws. I think you would like it to a certain extent. However, Grub, have you done stealth missions for the main story yet main storyline or are they the imperial bases that are in the open world.

I've done both, Okay, gotcha. Uh.

But the one, the one main storyline imperial based one I did was kind of frustrating because I couldn't figure out the line they were trying to.

That was like the Head and the Jar. Yes, yes, I played that one on my preview.

Yes, And once I figured it out and I got to like, like the big there's like a big open space and then there's like a kind of something yeah, the hangar, and there is some like platforms along the wall, and I'm like, where is this leading to? And I didn't see that. There was like the wall right in front of me. Was like, oh there, now those are things I could like climb on the wall. And my brain didn't process that. And because of that, I like kind of lost for a little bit in there. And

So yeah, that was.

Well, everything since then, honestly, that was the big hump for me, and then everything since then has been a lot of fun.

Okay, Yeah, I've seen so many reviews talk about how it does the insta fel stealth missions like Circa on Charted two.

Yes, they patched those though, right like they did make they did, Yes, they did, actually they did make those easy.

What did they? Oh? They they like but you know, I specifically patched.

They said the instant failures and the early stealth missions were the patch Now whatever that means.

I don't know how to show.

Okay, that's that's good to know for this group though, So none of you have played much of Jedi Survivor, if any.

When you're like a couple hours, like five hours ish, and then we got kind of busy. I also kept waiting for a patch to fix the performance, which like maybe never happened.

Yeah, the PC version got a little bit better.

People are saying, Okay, I played on PlayStation, but Dan, I know, we talked about fire Skape for and I told you, I think if you play more you'll like it.

I no, one fall in order. I liked.

However, the thing that Jedi Survivor surprised me. They go very hard on the three D platforming in that game, like yeahs of time kind of it's wall running and swinging, and you get like a triple dump jump triple dump dump.

That was a single dump Dan, Nice, nice, beautiful.

No, you start getting air dashes and these like uh like supernatural grappling hook stuff.

It.

They go harder on the platform in the game.

Okay, I need to play this.

Seeing that game is very weird because you get to that planet early on that's just huge, and you can explore that for like eight hours. I would encourage you frog freak, Yes, I would encourage you to keep moving to new planets as soon as they open up, because you can go back to all these and I think

It's whoa, Okay, yeah, it's okay, I should play this. Yeah. It gets like a.

Zelda structure too, in the sense that they're like, all right, well, we got to kill this guy and get that thing. We had to kill this person and get that thing. She's fucking stuff off. We gotta go kill her. Where do you want to go first? And you kind of pick that game really surprised me. I wish i'd played more of it when it first came out, but it Jedi's Drivers.

Really.

I don't think people talk about it enough because again, I don't think the opening is that strong.

So I just felt bored and I felt like when I started it, I was like, I feel like I can see what this is.

It's just a talk, you know, Yeah, it's just.

They Also it's it starts doing your building up your own cantina and doing like base building, like Red Dead, Redemptionry two, Horizon Forbidden West style right, Reiter to.

The Horizon.

Right, it's doing those things more like it's more gamifying.

Okay, okay, Well, Horizon, for all its faults is a video game. I'll get no, for all of its qualities is one of the best games ever made. But well, I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm a reasonable.

Three out of seven dumps.

I still have seven of nine images up on my screen. I haven't seen any of you.

For something wrong with that.

Yeah, I'm gonna be more to poll over here, but I get it. Yeah, who real quick around the horn? What's everybody's favorite Star Wars game ever? Jeff God, I.

Really do like it's Kotor's Tour Dan the go to Mike. First, Mike, it's a.

Tie between galact The Battlegrounds and Empire at War.

Okay.

Rogue Squadron sixty four, that's one where you light Saber fight Darth Vader. That one's great too. Rogue Squadron is awesome. Listen, Mike, You're right that way.

Rouge Squadron two is is a fantastic But Rogue Squadron for the sixty four rules.

I'll probably say I'd probably say Cooteor, Jeff took Its. I'll say episode one pod Racer, Yeah, racedors grade, Racers grade. I liked Masters of Tarakazi. You know the whole reason I like Tarakazi. Listen, it's a shitty fighting game, but you love a character named Horror whenever you get happened

And the saber like that felt great. That's good.

We talk about how we in Blake Club we play the doors games ever, and there are some games that when people like this is one of the worst games ever, that it makes me roll my eyes.

Masters of tares Kasi is definitely one like, oh, come.

On, fair.

I only played the demo disc version that let you play as Luke and Darth and me and my friends who just like, like, we didn't actually play it. I didn't actually like this is a good fighting game. I just like pulling lightsabers out there.

It's clearly no techn but no, it doesn't offend me like it offends some people, right right, there was a novelty to like playing a fighting game as Luke Skywalker.

Yeah, all right, Spot for Shadows.

The Empire the Phantom Mess game I bought and I tried real hard to enjoy it because I spent fifteen hours.

That is a.

Guilty pleasure for me. I like, like, want to play it again. It's good. It's not like Jedi Power Battles Box. And when I went back to recently was like, this game is way simpler and a minute It's like a very simple Jedi Power Battles.

I'm having a weird one one and Dreamcast Yeah, it was just a beat them up with the with the episode one Jedi that was the only one at the time.

Plays like kind of fun. But does Mace Wind do in it? Base Wind do ob one? Why Gone? And like a fourth one? I forget who heard you? Which?

If I wanted to play one of these Star Wars strategy games, which one would you recommend?

Now?

So Empire War still has an active, like very like vibrant modding community. Wow, it's I would say that is a better RTS. However, I always liked galactic so galactic battlegrounds. They took Empire at War two's engine and made it into Star Wars, so you might eat Empires two.

Yeah, what did I say, Empire War Empire War?

Oh sorry, Age Vampires two, right, because that's the one I'd like because it was just Age of Empires two is Star Wars.

Like listen, yes, it gets awkward.

Though when you're in this sci fi game where they have literal planet sized lasers that can blow up planets and you still the way. They tried to conform to the Age of Empires two unit type, so they had to make like every army has pummels, which are these machines that roll up to buildings and hit them like battering rams.

Like why does Star Wars You know this is Star Wars.

They have cannons and lasers and whatnot, but they have a scenario editor where you could just get a blank field and then literate with uh the with at A T S and whatnot.

Oh God, I gotta recommend uh we're playing that Warhammer game and they do like an RTS version that I gotta tell you about that later.

So, oh, Warhammer does like an rts, like a did you do you know about? You know that dance? Playing Space Marine two and it's like, wow, Warhammer, that's this is pretty neat. I'm not.

I'm not as into forty K. I'm into fantasy. Are you Are you mocking me? Are you fucking with me?

No?

I just I started playing my first Warhammer game and it's pretty cool, and I just wanted.

To Space Marine to forty K.

So to be clear, I'm not the biggest forty K person right now. I'm war into fantasy.

Yeah, that's the part of why Warhammer sucks.

It's confusing. No, it's not. It doesn't suck.

It's just like it's very hard to like as a as a a person to be like, what the fuck is anyone talking about this high fantasy?

And there's one that and the one that usually takes place in their forty thousand it's just not that smarts, the one were Lass and Satchels that.

I don't know what you fuck you mean about?

Vermentide is as a Warhammer, it's fantasy. There's nine hundred Warhammer things. Some of them are figures, some of them are rts, some of them are rats and Olden times and some of them are crazy space Terminator priests, so jealous that Warammer gets so much bullshit.

I would love that.

It's like what Star Wars I think for years was trying what.

Yeah, it was successfully doing like in a lot of ways in the in gamecuber and a little bit before that.

This is my taste of it, though, and I think it's fucking awesome, Like Space Marine two, me grabbing Janner playing it. We're a couple of chapters in and god damn if that's just not a fun ass game.

Like yeah, so yeah, Mahart, do you play Total War Warhammer? Yes? And then there is what is the other one that's like the Company of here Rose one uh age six whatever?

He was forty k Donald Series forty k. That was Relic Entertainment and this Company of Heroes. Okay, yeah, correct they did, right, yes, yeah, but no, I play Total War which is Creative Assembly, which is they do all the historical total workames.

Yeah, Total War Rome is the last one I play back in the day history. That's true. Correct, Good.

Ever, here's the here's the layer of Fantasy Warhammer that people don't always know about. If you're looking at the map of the Fantasy Warhamer map, it's just a parody of Earth.

And then Jesus in that one as well.

There's Jesus figures all over Warhammer Fantasy like Waramer forty K. Apparently the Emperor he means Jesus Christ. Yes, Oh, this is just the world.

I'm looking at the picture that there's Africa, there's North America.

The different factions are like inspired by different historical cultures, and then like the Greenskins, the Orcs are actually if you hear them.

I don't know if you could say that there is city of Quintechs. Mike lives in the forest of Ahnheim. This is about the author, right, think.

Dan, I know where both of those are.

To a pinpoint, I could tell you inteent City of Quintex is over near like southern It's like a Central America.

In the petrified forest. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

The last Warhammer normal Warhammer game I played, I think, was the Age of Reckoning, the MMO that was actually really good, but then World of Warcoff just kind of stole all of its best ideas and used them, and then Age of Reckoning died pretty shortly after.

That was kind of I've been talking to Vinnie because Vinnie got the games in a sale, and I'm we're trying to find time so I can kind of shirpa him, Dan, Dan, I think, I don't think this will actually ever happen. However, there's a world in which I actually get you to sit down and try it for like a few hours. And there's ship you the armies you can build. I you would love so much, dude. The rat, the Skaven,

They have, right.

Have rattling guns that shoot search no search rattling gun warhammer three okay, and it's just they shoot this green warpstone ship that fell from out of space on a a.

Is it a meteor or a meteor hits the Earth.

Yeah, that's exactly what I would expect.

And then they have ninja rats because they dug underground and were trying to come up in the Empire of Man, but they dug too far and they came up in Cathay, they yes, exactly, and they came up and they came up in fantasy like Japan, and they learned ninja there and so they became Ninja Rats. And there's a whole faction of the Scaven in Warhammer three that is based on Sutterfuge and you take contracts to kill different people.

It's it's can I get okay?

Because everything I'm hearing I just said a whole podcast with Bennie and next Langder this week too, and Benny was talking about it Warhammer. Everything I hear about Warhammer from everyone sounds awesome and like exactly my mix of like super stupid ship that takes itself the right level of seriously, Yeah, what does the path for me with Warhammer? If I don't want to buy a model train set and paint things, I just want to like.

A lot of the games play play.

Honestly, Space Marine two is a great intro. It's that third person you know, like action shooting and fighting.

Yeah, and let's play Vermin Tide.

Yeah, Dan, we played Tim Terry got us in.

Well here's the thing.

I think, So that needs to be like a B step for me, because like I don't like fancy stuff. The reason I like, honestly, I'm a dumbass and I see a terminator priest in fucking Space Marine.

I'm like, what is this cool dude? And I'm some way so invested in this. We could do Dark Tide first, then let's do Dark Tide first, and.

Yeah, you gonna ease me into the deep end here, you know, like I love everything I'm hearing.

So it's also important to note there's been a lot of speculation about what Creative Assembly is doing next. There is the rumor, the Star Wars rumor for a bit, which I don't know that that has borne out, you yea more than me, but from everything years off, so it was more like early talks. However, people are still assuming that forty they're going to do Total War Warhammer forty k, at which point you're gonna start learning all the different factions of Space Marines.

You're gonna learn like Sarcraft style like Space No Total War, but what Dan just like because donav War is considered like one.

Of the Oh yeah Dan, Dan, you could play Dona War two is a command and conquer style artists.

It's like, yeah, like one, but yeah, I.

Could see me and you during our Reddular two stream kind of stuff with Donna War, Dono War three was fine. I would say I think donov War two was the peak.

Three got co op awesomely screenshots. This looks like like I've been moaning, uh Command Conquer being dead forever. This looks like the type of ship I want.

Dude, the company, the developer that made Company of Heroes one of the most lauded rts ever, made these.

Okay, well, hang on now, because I wanted to like Company of Heroes back when it came out, but then it was one of those things where it's like, I don't want to be one dude sneaking around.

Armies, you know.

I use that to illustrate the point that at least they they know what the No. This is more Plan and Conquer, like the unit cap is more absurd, It's more StarCraft.

Okay, I want WAT twenty eleven. Geez, I want to tell you this.

I don't know Donald War three. I honestly haven't gone back. Dona four three may have aged better, but it kind.

Of recent reviews on that.

Yeah, I mean, I know, I just like from my like very offend knowledge, I know that don War one is considered classic. Yeah, and maybe three not so much. I don't know War two or Dona. War three is still mixed. With recent reviews and Donald War two is all very positive.

On two.

War one was overwhelmingly positive. Yeah, I still think two is better three. Three definitely took a few steps back. I think they oversimplified things. I think that that was done for three would have been two thousand and fifteen or twenty seventeen seventeen.

Ok.

I think that was the era where a lot of like strategy games were trying to like get as many players as possible, so they dumbed down a lot of things.

Their Final Fantasy sixteen year yep, I get you.

Yeah, and Donov War two. I think they didn't give a fuck and they were like, let's cater to our audience.

All right.

I'm looking at screenshots in some of this there's a weird orc with a pirate hat. I think I'm like dangerously close to like wanting to get into Warhammer. But if what if we picked a book to read, I would do it. We could do a book club of a Warhammer book I would do would take a good three level one I would do that.

So actually I got a friend that writes some ones about like the like the the Elite Sniper Team and stuff is not not no, not Jeff Grubb, although Jeff Grubb I think does write some Warhammer books.

The other h I will say, if you don't like fantasy, it's you're you're gonna prefer forty K.

I think.

However, I actually, in my experience, forty K takes itself more seriously than fantasy does.

But I mean just the stuff I've heard about, like, oh, the Orcs paint their cars red because I think it makes it go faster and because they believe it it works, and like all this, and.

They also the Orcs in Warhammer Fantasy they're inspired by uh football hooligans.

In Okay, the UK. I can like fantasy. I like Zelda, like Game of Thrones, you know, like it's honest.

Forty K like c RPG last year Roade Trader, Yeah did you did?

You guys not talk about in Giant Bomb.

I don't think so. We have a little bit of a c RPG, but I do what I can.

But yeah, very fair, being very very reductive. It's Balderskate three, but Warhammer forty K. Yeah, Dan, you would not like it. It's it's even it's eight times more complex than Balderskate three. It's not as good as baldersk three. But I still know there they have it, but they have every genre. Like the point like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

Know, I want to keep playing Space Marine two and I want to play the RTS stuff. That sounds great.

Tried out of four too, But again, I think there's a there's a point where Warhammer Fantasy. I like it less because it's fantasy and more because I there's a character called His name is Kiro's Fate. So there's there's a bunch of different races and there's dwarves, there's humans, there's high elves, there's dark Elves's wood elves, there's orcs. There's there's a whole undead faction modeled after ancient Egypt. They're mummies, and then there's ones that are based more

Will all crumble.

It's more about like the spectacle just gets so fucking ridiculous. The lizard men are dinosaurs and they have like Aztec trappings and they it's so fucking funny because these like sarus, these like mini like crocodiles will be riding t rexes.

Did you play bolt Gun?

Yes? I did play Bultgun was fun, I really was. Yeah. I liked it. Yeah, yeah, I thought it kind of went on a little long for for what it was, but I liked it. Agreed.

I'm the download bulk Gun because yeah, that did look cool from what I saw it. Okay, Bloomer Shooter, I want to keep my toe in there and like I want to keep playing Space Marin with you guys.

Bull Guns is great because it has a button that's just like the Taunt button. They recorded like five hundred lines for like the things he screens.

There's a forty K show in the work with Henry Cavill.

At the lead.

Henry Cavill, he is a huge wow mister Warhammer forty K.

Yeah, Ner, is it gonna be you like kind of good at first? Then the writing is going to let him down?

Yes? Probably?

Yeah, Dan, you were also played what did you play? No, sorry, grub, you were playing Plucky.

Yes, yeah, I played Plucky Squire. A think it's Sucky Squire. Yeah, you never said that Squire it is.

I'm finding it pretty boring. Is kind of where I'm at, and it's hard to like. People say, maybe gets a little bit better once you get a little bit later into it, but I'm finding it very hard to like build up the momentum to get past this these early sections. I'm about an hour and a half in. I've not played it more since we talked about it down on the bomb Test.

Yes.

What is Plucky Squire is that it's the the storybook game where the character is kind of in a Zelda like in a little book that sits on a table and it's hand painted and it's it's gorgeous, and then something happens in the book so that the care gets teleported out of the book into the real world and then it becomes a three D character that is walking among little beetles and coffee mugs and rulers and pencils, and it's that's a really cool effect. It's a really

How to play it.

We love it, and on fire Escape, yeah, it is very undoy in a lot of ways. On paper, it's something that I feel like me and also you greub

Right, that is and that like, so this is what I've heard this.

One of the reasons I'm like not feeling too encouraged to keep playing is when people say it gets better, they're saying it it does a little bit less of the handholding, a little bit less of you go into an area and the camera's going to show you exactly what you need to be doing, then you just go do it, which I really dislike, and this game does

Yep, I think we're very aligned on that.

Like, honestly, with all the stuff coming out that I'm curious to play, and even things we've brought up here between Warhammer and Star Wars and things I want to go back to, the odds of me wanting to go back to Plucky Squire are very low right now.

I still want to try it. Like I'm at the people that are wondering. Yeah, I am scared, like I might align with with you just based on what I'm hearing, but you know, some people seem into.

It a lot of pondering.

It's got an eighty four on Open Critics still, John Drake loves it. Yeah, even Greg Miller was bored by it, and that guy laws everything.

He's got a terrible taste. Yeah, yeah, Big Star, Starfield Defender Grub. I'm curious about UFO fifteen as well.

Yeah, just started this same Yeah, and I'm I'm in the first game, but I like what they've set up immediately where it's like here is you could see all fifty games and they have a fake year by them, and it goes from like nineteen eighty three to like nineteen eighty nine, likes period right any s period. And so what they're suggesting here is not suggesting. It is

Some things that you would find and renting, Like that's part of like I've played like the first like four games at this point, like we both started playing today, I think. And the thing I kind of like about it is like some of them kind of suck, and I mean that in a way, and that I like the first I remember as a kid that had the NES and was constantly going to video stores and stuff like that and just like looking at Boxer and be like, Okay, what is a robo Warrior?

I'll try this game? What is this thing?

And then you play it, it's like this is kind of confusing and it kind of sucks, but like you still have that nostalgia for these games because you just played them a lot and you were a kid that first game on UFO fifty and around. I'm kind of trying to figure out the map. I can't figure out where the fuck to go. It's like, okay, my lives are as I don't really know.

Played for a long time, yeah, and all I got was eventually I found one chest that would open and it gave me fifty bucks. Yeah, and I couldn't I couldn't spend it. That's exact same experience. That's the only long time, like we searching around so many rooms I went into where it's like there are enemies here, maybe I can kill some of them, some are too far away. They are attacking me, and I have these six lives and then if I die, I get a game over.

And I find that very cool.

It reminds me of Retro Game Challenge, which was a very similar thing that was a game center CX in Japan and it got localized here as Retro Game Challenge, where kid is putting he actually gets a teleporty back in time, since in front of a console with a

Yeah.

Yeah, It's like I love mini games obviously, or collections of games. Like you said, these are not mini games. These are things that, like a lot of nys games, we're just like, here's this is all you do, you know, it's just this, Here's Skykid, and you just that's what the game is, you know, And yeah, these are all it's not Warrior where it's certainly not like Mario Party

Weird little games.

But I get what you're saying, and I've got no I've got a play date, And like I still there are some very clever things in games that have come to that, but overall, it's like I'm not really pulling that thing out and charging it every time there's a new game or anything. The fact that it's like a rare replay for from an alternate universe.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm an alternate universe, a different like ANYS competitor that only existed in you know, Ireland or something, you know. And I'm just having only played four games of it, and like all of them they haven't been Like the first one is not great, and the second one I don't even know if I would i'd call great or anything. But it's like I am intrigued to, Like, man, I

And I saw up my alley and like you just look at screenstets, like the one is clearly like supposed to be kind of like a wild guns.

The one looks like it might me be a bit Belda E and that's really cool. So oh yeah, I definitely want to play this.

And like the real suggestion here underlying all this is what are they hiding here? Oh?

Is there stuff like beyond like if I do do certain things in these games or like that first game, maybe that this is the case with all the games. But when you press a start button there's a console command thing, the er code like game Genie, and I'm like, how do I find those codes that do right? So it's like we might be having like a Fez like situation here as well, which where that actually doesn't always work on me.

I don't always fall down those those pits.

But it's like in this case, I think the setting is right to sort of catch me with that, and uh, I hope it does. And you know, I've already heard like some stuff and I'm not going to spoil it here, so I won' won't say anything. But it's like, oh, I want to play this game right now because I want to experience this self myself firsthand.

It's very very people right to self too. Super UFO fifty.

Right, Yeah, I wouldn't. I literally wouldn't be surprised. Although this game took like eight nine years, so maybe they want to do something different games.

Yeah, yeah, I think we're exactly the same spot, Grub, and I'm so excited to play more that that's going to be a big plan game for me coming up.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Grub. You also.

You previewed Flight sim Yeah, that's right, and I can talk about it here because it's coming out Monday. I played I went to the Grand Canyon. I flew a jet, a real jet. That was pretty wild. I was in a hum Vy tour at like six a m of the Grand Canyon and the guy was driving told us all about all the people who have ever died in the Grand Canyon.

That was amazing.

But then I played Flight similar to twenty twenty four, and I think it is definitely earning being a sequel. Like they, this is not just an update to twenty twenty.

This is a new game.

And the real big thing there is that there's a couple of things where I think technologically it does actually look improved. It especially looks improved whenever you are flying near ground level. It's like orders of magnitude more detailed, to the point where a lot of these challenges, these new challenge modes, they have in there, and here will be like fly a helicopter that goes and scoops up water from the ocean and you drop it on forest

Yeah, because most people I know who well not I know a few like diehard fans of twenty twenty, but most people I know who dabbled in it.

We're just doing it for like the tourism.

Yes, that's literally one of the three groups that they mentioned were digital tourists, people who come to the game to see different parts of the world and like fly to Fiji right exactly around Disney World, Yeah, exactly.

I was.

We were visiting the Grand Canyon, and I spent a lot of time just like this is cool. I'm gonna I'm gonna fly around the Grand Canyon and we I took off from the Grand Canyon Airport and I'm like, oh, ship, that's literally the resort I'm at right now, and it looks completely photo realistic.

It's really amazing.

Fackler said the Grand Canyon was kind of lame and boring.

Yeah, yeah, it doesn't impress him.

But sorry, So in real life you went to the Grand Canyon.

Yeah, they flew us out to the Grand Canyon. For when he says he flew a jet, he means.

For real hardy, we say for shoot around here.

Yeah, my mistake. I'm sorry.

I'm trying to fit in. I uh yeah, that was the serious vision jet fly a jet. So the Cyrus is a relatively newer They started in the nineties private plane manufacturer, and they have several planes in the game, and as part of that partnership, it's clear they also want to like show off their new were jet powered private plane, which is a like six seater small plane but with a fucking jet engine.

We got We got in the.

Plane and I'm sitting in the back seat because I didn't want to go in the pilot's seat first.

I was getting in there.

I'm like, okay, let's ae lst go up there, Charlie Hall from.

From actually Charlie must have been here, and.

He goes he takes the pilot seat first, next to the actual pilot that's there, and then he turned to Charlie license yeah, and then he's like, but do you want to take off? And Charlie took actually did the he did the stick. He wasn't doing the rudders and he wasn't doing the throttle, but he actually got us up in the air and he flew for a few minutes and then I got to take over and I got to do the big turn back towards the airport,

So I'm assuming it was like a driver's ed car where the pilot could take over if you're about to.

He could have could take the break that he could It is the teacher. It's just an eject.

Yeah.

Well, there are several cool things about this jet.

One is there's a giant red button that anyone in the plane can reach that is a return to ground if the pilot dies, like if he has a heart attack. You hit this button and What it does is it doesn't like go back to your airport. It finds the nearest airport, creates a flight plan, tells the traffic control here's what's going on. I'm going to land the plane now automatically, and it just lands him. Now if the

Comes out of the whole plane and the whole caps, which.

I want to say is I can't remember what that actually stands for, but it's yeah, caps, it's the parachute system that but the pea stance for parachute.

Yes, it does. In the s Stanser system, it's like a cabin I don't automatic parachute system.

Yeah, and it shoots out so like for the prop propeller planes, it kind of shoots out the back, so at first it like is going nose down, but then it like does likely yea the triple dump for the jet. It actually comes out of both the front and the back and it just lands flat on the ground and it's incredible. But he had a stick on his right hand. I had the stick on my left hand, and you could see like for a little bit he's keeping his

It was really cool.

Yeah, I would immediately if I got in this copilot seat. I turned the pilot, but like, I hope you brought your xanax and then try to do a barrel roll.

Yeah, he tried to do a barrel and it's like it takes them that far and then it beeps at of me is like nope, in it like leveled it out.

On Its really similar automation.

And sailboats sound fucked up.

Hey, Dan, you're you don't like flying? You want to fly a jet? I would do it?

Would that I would help, like being in control of this control.

I mean, you know what, because for me, it's like everyone that's afraid of flying it for the most part, seems to be because they're afraid that's gonna crash or something. It's like, I have the utmost faith in pilots and the technology, and it's like I've never once thought there's gonna be a crash or a terrorist incident.

It's all this I fear of the panic attack.

That's how I am with some of like the big rides I don't like, not afraid I'm gonna get for sure, but like playing fights somewilar twenty twenty, Like you know, I was like a little wary of planes, and I'm pretty good now. But I do think that that did help, like actually learning how airplanes, like a.

Book about that.

It is nice to know that. It's like, oh, that's that sound is probably this you know right exactly? Yeah, But the game itself is is really solid. I was playing with a hands on throttle and stick a HOTSS and Vinnie was there and he was playing with a yoke, so he was doing a lot of the big planes, and I was flying Fa teen's and stuff like that, and it's just it feels really good.

You can dial it in uh where where like I did.

I was doing the challenge with the Fa teen, flying really like near to the ground in the Grand Canyon, going through these gates, and at first I was crashing.

A lot, and eventually I was on Mavericks shit.

It was top gun Mavericks shit, and I just got to a point where it was like I got through this hole. Do you attack the enemy base? I attacked the enemy base targeting turn off. I did like, I did that cool like air drift and stuff on a couple of turns. I felt very cool.

Everybody looks over at Grub and he's doing that the ten geest.

I was like, yeah, Eric Greenberg did walk behind me, and I was like being very like I was gesticulating a lot. It's like, damn Grub, and I'm like, that's right, fucking stand back, Aaron Greenberg, Dude.

Did you talk?

Did did you and Aaron Greenberg talk about me? I sat next to him at games Can We didn't, but we did everything. We did joke about him throwing me off a cliff, so that was fine.

Yeah, our crazy stunt like game press events back because between you're just the middle.

It's like some classic O seven three sixth era shit.

Uh me and Jan are doing some crazy shit next week, like trips that sound very Surrey and fun separate trips to yeah, very separate different things.

But like, I don't think I know what Jan's doing at the time.

And it's weird. Yeah, I put the medal your man. Are we doing this again?

I could does feel it feels. So I think what's happening is is these companies realize. So the way this one worked is we were there for the press day and there was a foreign press day of the day before, and then the day after was going to be the influencers.

So I think they're like, we can get our money's.

Worth by doing all of them in one event, back to back to back, and it's like, this is actually not worth it again, So.

I wonder who they like the most. One will day is their favorite?

Well, I bet the people that like pay for all like the influencers the best, and I bet the people who run.

It like us the best. Just the old guy media people. Yeah, exactly, yeah, nodding vigorously. Yeah.

Yeah.

But what's we talked about? Summary movies? What's the best plane movie ever? Real quick?

Oh?

Is the Air Force one? You think it's conn air A decision?

I mean vy based on Airplane Man Executive air Passenger fifty seven is really good, awesome.

I think I min as Air Force one.

Watched Air Force one about three years ago, and I was a little disappointed because, like I forgot how often they're going down to like here's Glenn Close, the vice president, talking about politics, like no, just have the ass kicking president out there.

Being, you know, president played by Harrison Ford. It's finally very good. Finally ejects the terrorist vice president basically in the form of Gary Oldman off his plane by punching the parachute button on his chest.

He says, I did love Air Force. He says, is get off my get.

I know it's very good, but I decisions underrated exacut decision. Kurt Russell John leg doesn't say that is I'm very patriotic for me. Of course, I think the rocket rocket is an airplane. It's there's a lot of airplanes in that movie.

That's That's another really good closing line from Harrison Ford.

Is in knowledge is their treasure?

No clear and present danger at the very end, have you seen clar and present danger?

Yes, I've seen clear present danger. That's my favorite hacking scene. Dan, You've got me with that idiote.

He says that this guy says like the President says to Harrison Ford. He's basically trying to encourage Harrison Ford to play along with this cover up, and he says, it's the old Potomac two step. It's just how we do things, like I'm sorry, mister President, I don't dance, and then he leaves the Oval office.

Pretty good.

Yeah, I think it's clear President Danger better than Patriot Games. Actually, Picture Games is the one about the Irish the IRA.

Yeah, Richard Harris plays the famous IRA leader and then Sean Bean is the villain and Harrison Ford.

Harris Hunt for the Red October. Hunt for the October is by far the best.

My family, my siblings and I argue about whether Hunt for Red October, Clear and Present Danger or Patriot Games is better.

They're all, what, yeah, what about some of some of all fears? If people do not care about that one anymore that's not there when it came out. Yeah, it's that character still, right.

What about the Chris Pine Jack Ryan one or the gym from the Office Jack Bryan.

Hey, that that first season was pretty good man.

That Harrison So the Harrison Ford episode of Conan O'Brien podcast was really good.

Very we're always amazing together.

I adore con Air, so I think I might actually I put the Body of the bed. It feels like the most me movie ever.

But it was sandwiched between The Rock and Face Off, and I was obsessed with the Rock and face Off and Connor. I just liked, you know, I didn't like Conye. Wow, it's a lot of I love Connor is a lot of funders. I would say, if we're writing out of ten, the Rock and face Off are both tens. Conye is an eight point five. Were's gone to sixty seconds. I'm not a car guy, so I never really cared about that one.

Wow. Well, but oh it's so fun. Oh I think a movie is so fun that a car guy. I like that movie.

If I'd say a Rocketeer, if you don't let me have Rocketeer, then I'll say pop Gun.

Maverick Airplane's pretty good.

I do enjoy the airplane in Au and it's always sunny. The Gang Beats Bogs episode you have me watch. They're they're just referencing all these movies because they're like Mac and Charlie Like. If there's anything that movies like Past your fifty seven executive Decision have taught me is that there's a hatch I can access to let me freely navigate the bowels of the play.

I'll even say Doctor two.

I know Diehard two isn't beloved, but Dieheard two does some fun playing stuff.

Can I admit I forgot about I've seen Doc Doc one I think ten times. I have never I've seen Living Here. Diehard I have never seen any other time Hard movie.

Is incredible. What I heard with the Vengeance is incredible. Mike, you take all the noises he wants.

It's awesome.

Di Diar two, die Harder Dire Vengeance is the third one, and then heard I am admittedly definitely more down on that than like ninety percent of people.

I go one for three, two and I haven't seen five. Best you want four two, three, five is one of the worst movies.

That's what I heard Tim Terry say and Tim is a huge diehard mark, so I was like, if Tim says that, I don't heard?

No, that was a good another day, good day to die heard. I heard another another Day, which is James Bond. Yeah, yeah, that's an okay Bond movie.

Nos, the Invisible Car and the Laser and it has.

Come back to life with diamond skin.

Yeah. Movie stupid in a way that I like. Yeah, best train movie. Sorry, let's.

Like Unstoppable Lot under Siege too, I have I'm gonna watch Understage two. I Understage one is actually my number one guilty pleasure.

I've never seen one.

I've only seen Love under Siege one. I watched that like twenty times.

I love it. I've been meaning to rewatch snow Piercer recently. That one probably the best. What is it? Trained to Busan is the one? Really got the same director?

Oh wait, we forgot about the plane one done two train movies?

What's that? Bong Joote? Ho? Has he Trained to Busan? Snow Piercer too? Right? Yeah? Yeah he ban?

Yeah, trains are great in movie Train to Busan?

Why did I think? No? He did not? Oh did you see Source Code? Yes? That movie? That's good. Rules I love Faculus in it. It's the voice of the father.

Yes, we forgot when we're talking about planes about money playing with Kelsey Grammar and Alex.

Gonna bring it up an alligator. We also forgot airplane no planes like yes, source code unstoppable. What do you guys think about Bullet Train saying it? Yeah, there speak of a bond.

That dude in Bullet Train is rumored to be the next bond or he I mean, there's the new person.

Divorce from was like his wife and stuff that was apparently like a cradle robbers. She's like much older and like was his manager and stuff, and people are very happy for him. I know way too much about this guy.

Can't remember something.

Taylor Johnson or yeah, Aaron Tarolaylor Johnson he played Quicksilver in The Avengers too, or but he.

Was also in Bullet Train. But there he's like Count Dumbo. Why not Casey Jr. Is very prominent in a Casey Junior's coming round.

You're saying this in the Germany Travel money Train with Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson.

Why is there a money train and a money plane? Money everything automobile? So good?

Oh sure, But that's everything. That's why it's so good. I did not see Murder on the Orient Express. New one for Sunrise only has the beginning of the movies on trains.

I don't know if I cared that what Bond was it was it Specter that had a big, a big second day stopped good trains? I had a train.

Yeah, oh yeah, that's opening the opening, the opening action sequence on the train. I think that was Specter that was I do not like the poor Express. I find it very upsetting. I do not like that weird motion capture express. Really, it's gross. The train scene in studio or in one of the best place to train. It's just not quite prominent enough train movie.

But boy, there should be more train movies. I agree.

Yeah.

Your favorite caring levels in video games rule the end of Gears War One, the end of a Chartered two, and Charted Lost. Like, even though it's disappointing, Hitman's train level. I just liked that I was on a train, so.

I gave it a lot. But I was excited I was on a tree.

Ye, wish they were Times Splitter's Future Perfect had a train level as well.

Yeah, Trophies, the Times Splitters PlayStation. I'm about to be on a shoot bullet train for the first time soon.

And I wonder where you're going. Is that not a concept that is in many places there's speed trains.

But yeah, I'm gonna be on a high speed train. Could be I'm going to Denmark, but I'm very excited.

Denmark should be the second place to get Is there only one bullet train?

I think there's one that's referred to as the bullet train. Okay, we'll try to figure it out. I'm doing Yeah, I'll never tell. Yeah, I'm very excited though, because trains are cool as well.

I'm not gonna ask for favorite car is.

I'm going to ask if they are in multiple places. I'm starting not very many, but they are. I'm in one of these. I'm in one of the like under you're going to Saudi Arabia fandom. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not.

Gonna ask what your favorite car movie is. I'm gonna ask is there a better car movie than Mad Max, Fury Road or Versus Ferrari is like an ultimate dad movie?

And I'm not even a dad, but I never feel more like a dad than when I'm watching Correct Drive.

Week drives. Okay, this is, like, dude, really a hot take. I hated that, Okay, I loved it when I first saw it. I watched it all the time. I'm the exact demographic. I'm sure you're not surprised I liked it. I rewatched it like two years ago. My wife saw it for the first time, and maybe it was because I was seeing it through her eyes for the first time. That movie is a bit cringey now really, yeah, I bet, I bet it's tough.

So many of the scenes are just.

Is it Carrie Fisher, Kerry Mulligan and Ryan Gosling staring at each other? And then I think that soundtrack has become so like has been so many times the real yeah.

Point.

But we rewatched Baby Driver a few weeks ago.

I hated that. I hate it. Baby Driver is amazing. I loved it this time. I don't like that.

I was on board for what it was doing, the energy, the fucking just like you do.

Have to get on board.

Just trying to show off is like who's my playlist. It's like a guy at a party who's like, check out my music, based you know, I don't.

I don't.

I generally don't like anse Algre but the movie you just was so.

Can like that I couldn't help. Yeah.

I like Rush the not for for versus far the other racing movie about like the Australian guy and the German guy. Yeah, Rush is is a really good racing movie.

I'll just say again.

I do like Gone sixty Seconds a lot past and Furious obviously speed Racer.

Speed Racer is actually probably the best.

That's one that I haven't seen that I bet I would love. I never saw either of the Italian Jobs, and I know those are well, but like the Italian Job, death Proof is kind of fun.

Actually. My favorite car movie is Tucker the Man in His Dream with Jeff Bridges, about the Tucker Car company that was in Chicago and they like how the Detroit automakers like shut it down. It's yeah, Francis Port Copla very much, dad movie. Anytime it was on TV, I would watch it, and yeah, I love Tucker where it's like, yeah, oh I see it's on where it's like I will sometimes be like I'm gonna go watch that on my Plex and just put on Tucker and what that would be my night?

Did anybody see the Ferrari movie? Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's good. Oh, it's I haven't like Michael Good. It's a bit weird.

It has like it's mostly just a drama with like sudden bursts of extreme violence.

Oh there's one part where it's like, oh my god, Okay, that was a shocking, pretty shocking.

Yeah, well grand Turismo overall, how how would you forget? Yeah? I should have made that joke about Aaron Paul's need for seed.

Yeah, I love Drive Angry that Nicolas Marty's probably right, it's probably, it's actually probably.