Fire Escape Cast #82

Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It is episode eighty two. I'm Mike, your host is always here with Dan Reichert Hello and Mary Kay yay, I deserve this. She's wow. Yeah, you've dealt with a lot of uh, what's the word my dick? Wow? Whoa? You're allowed to have that one, You know what, that's the first one where I'm not offended or upset. You can use that as much as suck suck, suck my dick, go to town on that one.

You can use it as much as you want, you get I already have been giant bump, so I was just gonna say, I bite to test these before I'm on with the episode. Yeah, I have appreciate that we're not the We're not the one. You're testing it out on giant de beta test and were cobor. I like that. I like it. You said you haven't been embarrassed yet by one, but like this episode. You know, we got a lot of episode left. He might piss you off somehow, you know, some of them. They can rile me, right,

because I don't like having Yeah, I don't like stop it hand. No, I don't like being misled like I'm saying something, especially when it's bad, and I have missed. I have watched some giant bond ones where you've straight up made me say stuff that's like fucked up? Yes, what are you talking about? You did one where you were like, I don't really think that we should help children, you know, get through you know, anything like if they can't afford lunches, that's on them, and you were

like, what, Yes, I don't remember this. I don't believe that. Politically, somebody was deep baking deep baking you. That's funny. You are so bad and like some of them, like I would listen to it, I'd be like, oh my god, if I wanted to be, I could be so mad at this, but like it's it's fine because it's all I'm good. I just wanted to show up. I had the new one. I wanted to show it to you. I don't have it. That's the only one I have. I have no intentions on on belaboring the

soundboard or anything like that or wearing it out. I think we're good. You're a liar, you're a thief, and you're a real piece of shit, and I don't believe you. Judge you as the episode goes, I got the hands are up and you can use that SoundBite too. Yeah, you're a liar, you're a thief, and you're a real piece of shit. I don't like using negative things. You just suck my dick. It's

a good one. That one's a good one. Yeah. I also tweeted from our main livit laugh at love it suck it in a really nice songs seraph script, and I thought it nice. That's very nice. Yes, do you have me on the soundboard at all? You're right? Yeah, you correct. That's Tim Curry kind of to that. That's my least favorite of the agreeing with me once because it's the only one where it doesn't say my name. Oh yeah, the other ones, the other one. Dan's

right, Dan is right about this one. I do think Dan is probably right. You're right, Dan, You're probably right Dan, Dan is right. Yeah, the nears doesn't say Dan. So how big is this soundboard? It's got six buttons. So the only person I have that has their whole dedicated page is Mary. That one is right, you're right. Yeah. Wait I don't agree with Dick. Okay, that's the Mary page.

Yeah, oh wait, wait and then wait, there's also a Minati themed page, and Mary's got one on there, so okay, but then we also think is probably right. Yeah, there's the Manati page in the marry page. That's right. I mean, I'm flattered that I've had so many important soundbites to you that I haven't owned my own dedicated page. No, you're just the one who You're the one who gets the angriest about it. That's it. That's why you have the most noted Stalin sympathizer. Mary kid.

That's what he does. That's what he did. That's what he did. He was like, he was like, I mean, I'm really all for you know, equality and like fair representation. And then it was like, kep with you. You were utilizing me in nefarious way. Somebody else must have ripped that audio from my soundboard. I wouldn't have done that. Dan trolls me on Giant Bomb and I'm not watching this stuff live or ever.

No, not, I just I don't watch. And Dan DMed me he's like, had a little bit for just just for you on today's BombCast. Oh no, And I keep in mind, like this was what midway through an episode no one else knew it was a joke, and Dan, there's something. No one else reacted to it at all. It was just for you, Dan asking Greb to explain Total War and saying that he didn't know anybody who plays those games, and then he might, and then he

might because of the way Grub describe it. Because of the way Grub described it, Dan said he actually might check the series out. I saw a couple of people in the chat being like, I saw that, man, I saw that. I think I said the quote was, I don't know anyone who plays that game? Can you explain it? Yeah, and be very receptive to learning more and disrespectful. But see, I say Grubb's description was really bad. Oh really yeah? Oh words, Okay, big big

news guy, Grubb uh needs to get his facts straight. What do you get wrong? I think he just maybe I need to go back and look. I think it's just uh he neglected to say that like half of the game is like turn based civilization building. Okay, okay, Well, see I can disrespect you on that one because I do feel like you are in the like Mount Rushmore of people whose recommendations I've taken and loved and like all the outer wild and stuff and things that you've introduced me to, so con

occasion I can just outright ignore you. Yeah, I mean I'm not to be clear, I've never thought you would like total War. I just like talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, I think we talk about a lot of stuff on the show that we don't really give a shit if the other person likes it. No, that's the purpose of it. Like me and Dan are never going to be Stalin or Nixon people. But you keep going right with Mike's point, and that can be utilized a weird way to talk.

Thank you, express permission someone. Dan has changed the way I communicate on this podcast. Sigh. Yeah, this is like a William Gibson novel about That's what I was thinking. Yeah, you've heard of William Gibson before. Someone I was talking about writers recently and somebody in the chat was like, have you read Gibson? And I didn't know who that was. Who is that he did? Snowmancer or snow Uh the fuck the Snowman? That?

No, he's done. He does like cyberpunk futuristic stuff, but he was doing like decades ago, Uh, snow crash, but snow crash that was Neil something wouldn't it Neil Diamond, No, snow Crash was Stephenson? Yes, who knows the books? Now? I don't. I don't. I've never really read William Gibson. William Gibson wrote, uh, Neuromancer. Sorry, that's why I was reminding Snowmancer snow Crashing Neuromancer. Uh. Yeah,

oh he did Johnny Namonic as well. Okay, somebody's telling me about that recently, because I was talking about starting to read Stephen King Stephan enjoying it. Yeah, it's funny. I uh in terms of like sci fi, I've only recently come around to reading more sci fi, and he's like kind of cyberpunk sci fi, et cetera. I have friends that have been recommending him to me. What else what's called? I'm in France right now

as people are listening to this episode. Well not right now that your office, Yeah right now, like you know, we have a video version, people to zoom background, that room doesn't exist. Wait let me see this. W hold up in that room? Several times slept in that room? Do I do this? My team has been going crazy with these funky Google meats backgrounds where you can like turn yourself into a potato or a what like

a tree trunk or you can trudground. Yes, you're you like it tracks your eyeballs and then it like puts them on like a weird item and contorts your head shape. And it's that's in Google now. Yes, okay, Google meets does it now? And I mean it's me and their novel. This is like a little novelty. Oh the green the northern lights. Uh,

that's close enough. Wait. This is the same background that Bill Hayter uses it for getting Sarah Marshall and he's like, oh, I've been Hawaii Too's a great bit for the audio listener to a beach, which is I'm like a notorious zoom for the first time. This is sick. If they're I think they're enjoyable. I think they're nice to like use, but they wear out their welcome really quickly. Like when I'm having a serious call about uh, really important stuff and one of us looks like a cowboy and it's

tracking your eyes and putting a little mustache on you. I just can't. I cannot oxious. I agree, you cannot take you my kids. The irony is he's got a very obnoxious border on his frame as he talks about it being obnoxious. Oh so, he says to me, I thought it was like a stand up I thought it was a stand up theater, not

a like a theater theater. What if, Okay, that would be a really good bit if you guys were going to see a movie and I like found out a week ahead of time and I just like put a live feet of like my face on it. That would be really good. And now the part of mad Max Furio so will be played by me, Michael Maharty,

I'm Furio Suck. They did that once where I don't know if it was actually Charles Martine, but it was Nintendo's E three booth and like twenty ten or something, and they had just a giant Mario head up in the booth and it was like looking down and looking around and doing like crowd work, like oh look at you, you got that toe, Look at you, you got some long pants on. Oh you got a fun hat, look at that kind of there. Look oh hi, oh he's waving at

me. And it's like, so, I think it was just Charles Martina and a booth just looking at like security cam footage and like roasting people it was weird. All right, what was that your impression of what's that? What was that impression of? That was Charles Martine's Mario the kid. You weren't trying to be Mickey Mouse. I see. The thing is, I don't think I've heard Mickey Mouse talk. I've only heard people do impressions of Mickey Mouse. So is it does it? No? He kind of sounds

hot like that, and he's got really a high voice. Huh. I don't think I've ever heard Mickey talk. I don't think Mario sounds like that either of there, but Mario doesn't talk in sentences usually, so that's why it was like extra weird that Charles Martine was like talking to people and that just that's the goal, you know, like he was saying stuff now that is Mary's the dream. Yeah, it sounds weird when Mario is saying he was talking. My lovely Leonore was good. He's just like readings. It

was the worst of times. He's irish, big literary brain on damned episode. It's me. I probably saw Simpsons episode that quoted that you're probably reading was the best of times. It was the blurst of times. Yeah, that was a Simpsons thing. Actually, yeah, Canal for Infinite Desk by David Foster Lee Wallace when by Mario this is not a bit. When would I have heard Mickey mouse talk? Because I feel like the only time I've seen a Mickey thing was I mean the logo obviously, and the logo doesn't

talk. And then Fantasia, which is the fucking worst movie ever because it's just a bunch of bullshit happening while songs are like music is playing, Fantasia fucking sucked. But like, Mickey doesn't talking movies. So if I'm not seeking out Mickey talking, why would I have ever been confronted by Mickey mouse talking? Why would I know what he sounds like? Uh, well, you love Kingdom Hearts? Oh does he talking that in Kingdom Hearts? I

think he does. Yeah, okay, because he's like this his I forget I played the first two games. I never played the third or any of the I played Dream Drop Distance when I was interning a game Offormer. But outside of that, I forget if he talked much because he was always this kind of like occasional presence that loomed over things. But he wasn't like a huge character in the first game, if memory serves, Okay, exactly, he's a logo, that's this whole thing. Yeah, he he's deff now,

but Mary, you were you were? You did it like in that vein. It's like that kind of like, oh, like your dreams will come true. It's definitely like more When have you heard him say that? Well, I don't know that he ever said that, but when say anything? As soon as they had talkies, because what's crazy is like Mickey Mouse is old, old, old, right, like Mickey Mouse's original there's Okay, there's a Frickin' Disney Museum in San Francisco and you can go and it

takes you through the history of Walt Disney and how he came. So this is like my recollection of this. Yes, who made the Mickey and the others? Originally they were silent, right, and they had music in the background the very when Mickey talked, Yeah, that's right, that's like how

old these are. But once they started being able to have sound in them, they were introducing other characters and Minnie, who you might think has a voice, right because she was always like kind of sweet on Mickey, and they would talk to each other and he would talk to her and be like,

you know, oh many did Walt Disney do the voice? I think that he by that point had a whole crew of people who were working on his films, and they were all kind of like there was like a whole system, like a whole line of how they were doing, and a lot of the fill in color were done by women, which back then it was like, you know, a lot of women didn't have jobs back then,

so that was pretty cool. So I guess they never did the thing that like, because when I was grown up, like every cartoon the whole thing was it was always shipped out to Korea, like Simpsons was always shipped out to Korea. It took months for it to come back from the storyboards and everything. So I guess was Disney always doing it in house? He was, But I don't think his labor practices were probably the best. I don't

think he was notorious for his like fair practices. In fact, I think he got in trouble several times for essentially like the workers being like you, you aren't paying us enough for how rich you are, sir. So I don't think he was perfect, but I do think that he had assemblies literally like assembly lines in California that were like making his cartoons. Yeah, okay, yeah, and like the very first it's crazy to watch, like the

very first ones. I'm like trying to like go back in time here, but like snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and stuff like that, they were using like panes of glass over panes of glass that were each painted and that's that's right, and that's how they would get like that parallaxing so that you would see trees that would be moving faster than other trees in the background. It was all done with like three D glass panes with a camera. It's

really neat, like they were quite innovative back in the day. That's I don't really know anyone that's into Disney, so that's that's interesting to hear. Soa thank you for an example. It's not about it. It's very different than going to like Walt Disney World, which is just like you are now

in the fun Zone and everything is meant to be like joyous. It's the raw, honest reflection of how a man essentially transformed children's entertainment and then created theme parks which are like ungodly, like there's just no nothing that compares to a Disney theme park, And so it goes through all of it, including the dirt right gets into like the problems that he had and you know a lot of the racist origins of Disney films and things, or at least the

cartoons were pretty bad, and so like it really talks about why they show them in their entirety and why they're really reflective of that past. So I think it was kind of neat because they weren't. When you go into Disney, they ain't gonna probably tell you that stuff. Sure, But in this history museum, I think that's what it is. It's like a history museum. They go into like the genuine there was a dude who like was able to make this insane thing happen, and he made a lot of enemies along

the way, you know what I mean. It's like when you watch the Facebook movie and they're like, this guy kind of seems like a bad guy, and it's just like, you know, you really can't make this much money in theme parks without being a little bit of a prick, like you kind of have to be. My direct analog is my first day when I

worked at W DOE. I was specifically told Vince sees himself as Walt Disney, and he sees the wrestlers like, you know, John Cena is his Mickey Mouse, and this characters is you know this, and it's like they're his I P. Basically, they're his creations and he's He's the Disney of the whole thing. And so but you know, famously, there was no dirt dirt, there's nothing bad, and no one says a bad thing about

it. Turns out he was perfect. Yeah, at the end of that story, yep, absolutely, Yeah, a lot of powerful dudes in entertainment turned out being a real shitty. Huh. Why is that the case that every time someone is able to accrue a billion dollars it turns out they were kind of a shithead? Was? What was that? What was the thing you were saying the other day about Mary's opinion about Vince McMahon. What were you saying? We told you we we were talking about it. We thought

Vince McMahon was a piece of ship. I don't agree, Mary. We can't do this. You can't give forrest. Mary comes in here we go jes Yeah, that's right, that is real. We got to apologize for I can't believe Mary still defends him. Dan is right, Jesus Jake, delete all of this because it's bad that we are allowed to make one member of this podcast say that is anything besides a monster. Wait, I've been I've been framed for saying I like quite a lot of shitty people on this

podcast as well. Yeah, don't play the victim game with me when it comes to misrepresentation. Mixon, Nixon over McMahon. Boy, Yeah, all right, let's play everyone's favorite game show, Nixon or McMahon. Who's your favorite? Mike Nixon, fuck Mary kill, Vince McMahon, Joseph Cosby, Richard and Richard Nixon fuck Mary kill straight up. It's really not a question. Oh, boy, man, actually definitely fuck Nixon. Give me Nixon over mcmahonon Cosby, he's the dead one. Wait, aren't they all dead?

No, he's the only bad one. Oh, Vincent Cosmi are just ancient, horrible people. Yeah, these are so bad. I would I don't even know if we're legally allowed to answer this. Change the subject, because I hate this, I hate where we are, and I don't agree with I don't agree with any of this. I don't know. I don't. I don't. You're right, I am right, Mary is right. Uh. I want to change the subject. I had an interesting thing that happened to me, Mike. Uh. I just wanted to say, I

don't know if you recognize this bag. Oh yeah, yeah, but okay, So for for audio listeners, this is a beautiful green bag. It's uh, it's nice. It's like a nice large bag and it has my name dazzled on it. And I got it on Mike's wedding day as a as like one of my presence. Yeah, I'm drinking a glass that was in my bag that looks like that. I keep this bag usually in my car because it's just a great crap. I need a bag for the grocery store or for an item. It's just a nice party bags. I've had

it for a while. Flash backwards to three months ago. I had a friend that surprised me to come into town, and I wanted to take them

to some iconic vistas, uh in Portland by the Gorge. But it just so happened that that exact weekend there was a ice storm, and as I was telling her I was going to drive her to this really nice lookout, there were all these warnings online that you should not drive to these vistas because the roads are really icy and they're actually quite dangerous and you just shouldn't go. And I was like, it'll be fine. I have four wheel drive, just like every other portland Er. I was like, I have a

super Uo. It's not a problem. And so we trucked on ahead, and I saw so many warning signs. I drove past like four cars in ditches, and I was like, that's crazy. Anyway, let's keep going. And I saw just wrecked trees in front of the road, and I would try and get around them and I'd get a little stuck, and then

we'd figure it out and I'd keep going. And then there was this huge hill that you have to drive up, and so I gunned it and I got like ninety percent up the hill and I stopped, and then when I tried to start again, my car started going backwards. My four With everything I had, I was fully on the brakes and I was sliding backwards slowly, but enough. What was scaring Yes, it was scaring the shit out of me because I was on a hill. I could have fallen off the

hill right like. It was a dangerous situation. My girlfriend's in the car with me were both kind of like, ah, this is kind of dangerous, isn't it. And I don't have anything to protect me. I have nothing. The only thing I had was this bag, and I didn't want to but I needed it, and so I eventually we kind of like slowly caused, like we just stopped, but we were like off the road now, and I took the bag out of my backseat and I shoved it under my tire and I used it, yes, And I used it as leverage

to get up this hill, and I did not. It was so icy, you guys, I was. It was too risky for me to stop and get out and go get the bag. So I left it. I left it in the middle of the road in an icy storm three months ago, and I said to my friend, Well, if Mike and Amanda knew that this bag saved our lives, they would not mind that I left it in the ditch somewhere in Camus, And so I ignored it. Fast forward three months later, I drove back to that hill and that fucking bag was

still on the side of the road. Pretty dirty, He's pretty dirty, but it was there, and I grabbed it and I put it in my truck. I have it back, and so I got it back. Awesome. It's like all the things that could happen weatherwise there and everything was still largely in the same spot. It was like literally ten feet from where I wow, I thought you're gonna say, it was still like just on your wheel when you're driving everywhere. It's like a horror movie. It's like still

clinging onto my car. It was. It was amazing that it was still there. I had let it go right like I had. Even emotionally as we pulled away, I was like, I'm sad. I liked that bag, but like me going backwards like that on ice was so scary. I was like, it's totally worth it to lose a bag to not stress about this. But yeah, finding it three months later it was just a really funny little thing to come across and there she is, back in my passion.

There are survival devices. You didn't tell us that my car. Bonus. You you did a good thing too, where you had the whole fun grab bag of like, hey, we're gonna be doing a lot of drinking and so here's you know, here's iber broken, here's you know, oh yeah, all these things. So that's so nice when someone does that before a wedding, when they're like, we know, you guys are gonna get fucked up. So here's your here's your little kid for your tummy, here's

your pink juice, baby girl, here's your three bottles of water. We had a fun wedding last weekend, weekend before Memorial Day, and it was a like bed and breakfast style in Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania, and there's a brewery on site. And also the rooms there were five rooms toward the bottom of the like uh acre that was on and they were the old stables had been

converted into rooms like fireplace and everything. It was super fun. But yeah, they had they had a I see most weddings have those kind of like uh, what do you want to call like recovery bags and whatnot, just like snacks and stuff you're hanging out the room or killing time, it's yours. Had candy. That was a real nice bonus. I love getting a couple of little baggies. Oh yeah in the hotel, I remember, Yeah

that's right, Yeah, yeah, I think those are nice. Wedding season is always kind of a nice enjoyable excuse to travel to somewhere that you probably wouldn't go. It's maybe not something that you would have done. You get to see a lot of old buds or people that you haven't seen in a while that you enjoy, and you have like full carte blanche to get drunk. It's super allowed in that situation to party all night and have a really good time. I mean, they're great. I love it. I love

getting invited to weddings. Yeah, I feel like I wonder if there's gonna be a second wave of like I feel throughout my thirties, it was like NonStop weddings I was going to, and I feel like most of my friends are married now, and so I do wonder if, like you know, in my late forties, if there's going to be a second wave of like second marriage, you know, wedding periods. You know. Yeah, this year we thought last year is bad for us, This year five or six.

Oh, that's a lot. Yeah, but it's like nobody we can say no to, and we're like excited for all of them. But like we'll be in Hawaii for like a small thirty five person destination thing in October. We'll be on Kawaii. You're going to Hawaii for a wedding, I'm going to Oklahoma for my next one. Yeah, it's a little bit different. Yeah, like sometimes the ones where you go like middle of nowhere are the most fun. But we yeah, we'll be there for our anniversary in

Hawaii, so that'll be fun. But yeah, we're also like an excuse, right, Like, yes, it's an expensive place to go, but how lovely is it to be? Like, well, sorry, honey, we got to go to Hawaii, Like a really good friend is getting marrior, Like it's I wouldn't probably pick Hawaii for vacation. It's too expensive, but if I had a good reason, like yeah, you gotta go. Yeah, turns out Hawaii's pretty expensive. It's getting so expensive. I looked

it up. I was doing some preliminary research for like destination places like that, and it's crazy doing some like that in Hawaii. It's not just expensive for the guests, because obviously it's very expensive for you to travel that far and to get out of intel room, but the wedding ceremonies and stuff like that. I mean like they're starting at like thirty thousand dollars. It's nuts.

Yeah, they're a lot. We're looking forward to it. Well, we'll be on Kawaii, which is like, from what I understand, more like rustic of the islands, So that'll be nice. It won't be as touristy, I think, relatively speaking. But yeah, that's the trying to think. That'll be ten hours to Honolulu from New York and then we lay over in not direct is it from New York to Honolulu? Yeah, oh wow, it's all the way ten hours, but then we do like a

very short flight over to Kawaii from Honolulu. But yeah, the like outside of that, we have we have some others that like are just train travel, Like the the trip I'm going on in for four days? What is today Tuesday? Three days? Bull shit? The trip we're leaving for in three days. Our honeymoon in France is the longest I think the longest vacation I've ever gone on. Two weeks. Yeah, I want to say two weeks. I think the previous one would have been. I mean I did

London and Cologne games Com twenty seventeen. I think that's a week. Iisation, Yeah, it was a week in London and then a week in Colomba. Yeah, No, this is no work. Taking two weeks off. I don't think I've ever done that. No, Dan, what's your I swear to god? This is like ages ago, I took five days off of work to go to Nicaragua, and I thought it was so crazy that I did that because you get the weekend before and the weekend after that was

like a what you know, seven day trip. Yeah, that's the longest I've ever gone, And I thought that was nuts. Like for me, I was like, I can't believe I'm gone for so long. Yeah, we're like work wise, I keep like feeling nervous about it, but everybody at work is like, don't be That's a once in a lifetime thing, Like you're allowed to do that. Dan, what do you think your longest

vacation is? I mean, I feel like it's all work stuff, you know, Like, yeah, it's interesting, like doing what we do and working in games, because like I kind of see all the trips I've done as like fun trips, but they've also been technically work trips. Like you know, the times I've gone to Japan or Europe and things like that, it almost all been work related. So as far as it's taking something where I'm not doing anything related to work. I mean, fuck, not a

lot really, Bonka. I went to New Orleans, and you know it's probably New Orleans because we kind of split those kind of our honeymoon. We went to New Orleans and spent like four or five days they were just doing New Orleans stuff. But then we tacked it on to WrestleMania thirty four and so then it was like, you know, four or five days of like WrestleMania stuff, So it almost felt like two little vacations, which I guess neither of them had anything to do with work. Like the first half was

like honeymoon, New Orleans, second half was you know, wrestling. So yeah, probably that I would say. But yeah, most of time I take stuff off work. It's like I got a doctor's appointment, or I got some you know, I got people in town or something. It's not just like vacation stuff. But yeah, I think we collectively as Americans could probably be better about taking leading time. But isn't it though, like with

what we do. And I don't want to speak for everyone, but like I don't know, I just feel like all this shit, Like you know, I'm going to the summer games Fest next week, and it's like, Okay, I'm going to do a bunch of fun. I'm gonna be drinking and doing dumb video game shows with my friends. Like to me, that that has never felt like I gotta go on this work trip, you know. It's always been like, sweet, I want to go have a bunch of fun with my friends and go to fucking Disneyland and put on a show

Like that doesn't feel like work to me. You know, it is work, But I understand what you're saying that it doesn't drain you in the same way. What I will say, like is someone who works in the streaming space, it is very draining to be on all the time, and so that has a cost to it. But I agree with you. When I go to the Netherlands for TwitchCon, I am working my tail off for like ten hour days, twelve hour days, daring those cons. But I'm laughing

during that time. I am meeting people, I am enjoying their company, I am having a blast. I am working, but it is fun. And I hear you like, I don't know if it's comparable to me working the way I used to work previously before I was in games. I don't

think it's the same cost. It's a different costs. You bring something up that I think about a lot where it's like, you know, the stress of being on all the time, and you know, especially I've seen now more than ever that like, you know, my day job is being on all the time on podcasts and streams and stuff like that, and more often the night at night, you know, I'm recording with you guys, I'm

doing a personal Twitch stream, I'm recording something like next Lander. So it's like I think I am actually on more than I'm off to a point where it's been so long now I do wonder at times like and this isn't necessarily a bad or a good thing or anything. So something I've noticed where it's like, has it just kind of even out where its like this is just kind of like, yeah, this is just kind of me, you know, Like I think about that a lot where it's like, yeah, you

know what I mean is that does that make sense? I believe you are built different. I do not think that a lot of people can do what you do, Dan, but you are built to say, oh my gosh, I have an extra evening free I'm gonna stream this classic game from the nineties, and I think that a lot of people would be like, ooh, that's precious me time. I think you enjoy to a degree, oh

yeah doing it, and I think that you are built different. I think you I don't know a lot of people that could do what you are able to do, but I think you are able to do it, and I think it brings you joy. And as long as it brings you joy,

then go for it one hundred percent. Does it just makes me wonder if like it has all just kind of merged and I'm just kind of always on now, Like, for instance, you know, we we've hung out off camera, off Mike, you know a million times, Like do you feel like there's a distinct, Like am I different when we're hanging out at a bar versus on this? Uh? Yeah, but not like I think you'd

have to know you pretty well to like see it. But it's like I don't, like, I don't think people that's where you get into like some parasitic stuff where people are like, no, this is Dan. Like I listened to him, you know, on six different shows, so I know him. I'm like, no, that's not it's not all you. But yeah, no, I don't think you like, I don't think you put it on. You don't come off as fake like on fire Escape or Giant Bomb or anything, and just hanging out, Yeah, we're just hanging out.

I think I think you're a bit more like very ever so slightly relaxed when we're just hanging out. Okay, not that you don't come off relaxed on camera, but there is certain thing. There are certain things where do you remember when we did the twenty like the eighteen hour whatever, like Goady Marathon. I don't think it was eighteen but it was a really long time the words, it was two years ago. And you made a fire afterwards

at your house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And we weren't on and we all stared at the fire and we allowed silence for like twenty minutes, and sometimes someone would say something and sometimes we'll be like yeah, I like that too, and then we would sit in silence. I think you allow silence more sure, But like that to me was like the peer, we're so fucking tired, but we weren't ready for bed because our brains were still active. Oh yeah, Like after recording this, I

can never go straight to bed. And I'm still I'm still on. You have to wind down. I wake I wake my wife up, and I keep like doing bits to her board. Bring a soundboard in the bedroom. Yeah, I would just start my dick. She's just a good No. I mean, I'm not. I'm definitely different. I think I started to notice that, uh, like I would like covid, I would you know, I would be streaming some of my own stuff. I'd be streaming with you guys, we'd be recording this. I was working very long days and

very intense stuff for or like speed Run on the Quibi Show. Right. Yeah, So, like I noticed that I would always be fine for like a few weeks, but then all of a sudden, there would be like a moment where it all hit me at once, where I'm like like, uh oh, like, oh right, it's Wednesday. And I told people I'd stream Banjo Twey and like dread creeps in because I thought I had a free night. And I was like, it hits me differently, That's why I stopped streaming. I was like, that's not, that's not. It

was rewarding in many ways. It was rewarding in many ways, but it was also like I got I get way more out of doing things that have nothing to do with video games these days. Like I had the opposite where it's like I'll have a night, like a rare night where I don't have anything planned, and like I'll be like, all right, what the hell?

I guess I'll I could put together this lego and put some TV on the background, or maybe I'll play something on a steam deck, and like I can't shake this thing for my head when I'm like that where it's like what am I doing? I'm wasting time? Like I'm not like I have no excuse to not be streaming, I have no excuse to not be doing something productive. And it's like, again, I think you're bill different. I was like that for a but I think like, honestly, Amanda has

gotten me more to embrace relaxing. And I'm not good at relaxing at all, but like she she has definitely like encourages me to, Hey, this is not wasting time, you are recharging. This is like it. Sometimes I felt like I would I was actually overextending myself by I wasn't using time wisely by not taking any free time, because then it would just build up and I would and then my work would suffer. My work didn't suffer,

but I could see a world in which my work suffered. Huh Yeah, I guess if I'm just doing it and it's all under my control, I'm always like good to go, go, go, go go. It's the thing is when I packed my schedule so crazy, then it's the nanosecond I start getting a bunch of like, hey can you come on this thing, Hey can you do this thing? Hey do you want to come do this? It's like a bunch of people asking, and I'm looking at the calendar.

I'm like, I don't have a single fucking free night, and it's like, well, that's my own doing, that's my phone, Like that's my fault. And then I can't. Then when I get asked to squeeze something in, then I can't do it. Like yeah, it's I I do realize that, Yeah, it's probably healthier to like schedule those days in or like that. That stuff is. I don't not enjoy it, but I yeah, I can't help but think, like I could be doing something with my time right now. You have like a you have date nights end

of the week. Yeah, yeah, we do, Like yeah, we watch movie every week. You know, we definitely do that. Yeah. Yeah, we just saw Bunking Me and Hanson. When saw Furiosa on the last one, that was fun. Yeah, is that as good as people are saying it's good? It's good. I didn't like it quite as much as Fiery Road, and I don't think I like Fiery Road quite as much as most people did. But I like them both a lot. I think they're both really good movies. I wanted to see it. I'm going to

see it. I will see Furiosa. It looks like a really fun action flick. But our weather was pretty good this weekend, and I just cannot justify sitting in a movie theater when the weather is nice, Like, oh, so, I like, I'm like waiting for a rainy day when it's

perfect to just go to a movie theater and enjoy it. Yeah. We we have a pool at the chateau we're at in Bordeaux, so we're like, we should we have a pier right here on the water that we go to, like it's in our backyard basically, So we're like, all right, we should get used to some sun this week before we go. So then we're kind of ready for the pool and whatnot. But yeah, it was gorgeous here this weekend. But yeah, I want to see FERIEO. So I still want to see Civil War. I have not seen Doom Part

two yet. What about the Garfield movie? I feel like you've been blazed over that, Jem I saw it three times already. I've seen it, Mary, geez, Yeah, I kind of want to see it. That seemed kind of good to me. Yeah, I mean, there seems like there's stuff out there. I don't know if how much anyone here gives a shit about the conversation going on about the box office, but this last weekend was really low comparatively two decades before. And there's all these people asking what

do you think is the reason that the box office is solow? And a lot of people are blaming COVID forgetting people to wanting, you know, just comfortable looking at movies in their own living room. Some people are saying that they're converting the box office to digital too quickly. So it's like you can, oh, Dune is already on like NAX, right, yeah, and

so it's like it's really not a huge sacrifice. You're not missing this cultural phenomena like you were when Barbie hit theaters and everyone was talking about it, which wasn't that long ago. I mean, it'd be like six months between a movie coming out and Nick coming out on DVD, you know, that's right. And so anyway, there's just like all these different theories of why

the box office didn't do this well. I don't know if I have my own outside of the fact that unless everybody else is like me, my answer was maybe the weather has been on average better, the weather's nice, but

summer is blockbuster movie season. It always has been, you know. So it's like they didn't stop people for decades before this, so like something changed at some point, Like I I if anything, I think COVID made movie theaters better because they had to kind of up their game because there was that period where like all these movies, you know, New Matrix is coming out to streaming, Firs Dunes coming out to streaming, and they during that time

period, that's when you started seeing like kind of the more widespread adoption of these recliner seats and these better screens and the Dolby digital things, more IMAX and stuff like that. So those are the ones we go to the theaters for is the ones where it's like these big summer like you know, we saw Time of the Apes, we saw Dune, we saw Furiosa, We've seen all these because like you want to see those in the big like you know, we've got big screens and surrounds, sound and all that stuff at

home. But like there is something about the theater still and it's typically at me and Bonk and frequently Ben Hanson and I think we're all kind of in the same boat where it's like, yeah, we want to go you know that first like week a big movies out cause I don't know, it's those reclining seats and everything are great now it's it's great like you know, hearing in crowd reactions while you're there, there is something you don't get. And

I think the theater itself is more comfortable now than pre COVID. Yeah, I agree. I I I think, like I'm fine going to see movies in like the dead of summer heat to get away from the heat. But yeah, this being like the first super nice weekend, I was like, I'm not, I don't want to go see a movie this weekend. Yeah, get back out there. We're usually seeing once it started like, you know, between seven and nine or something like that, so it's kind of

getting dark anyway. Do you ever see rom coms in theaters or are you always going to see like an action flick in a theater. I don't know. I canmembers on this show or another one, but I really I don't know how many rom coms I've seen in my life, Like I don't know if I've really seen them, Like, it's never been a genre I've really seen. I guess tough guy at all to so masculine. I'm sure they're great. We've done this on fire Escape and you look through your letter box

and you're like, oh, I guess that's a rom com. Oh I guess that's okay, Okay, that was on this Okay. Yeah, I couldn't remember like which ones I've seen, but like, yeah, like like The Notebook and stuff like that, Like I've just never seen those that's more romance like romance than rom com. Oh okay, okay, Silverman the definitely okay, but yeah we're getting forgetting some more right right. Yeah? Okay, when Harry met Sally, she's a ten. Yeah. Anytime there's like

calm in it, yeah, anytime there's a pun. Yeah, do you know what rom com actually stands for? What's that? Mike? Uh? Well, one Edward Rommel common back in Germany in the nineteen Mary. I love it when he does a setup for a joke and then you ask him to give the punchline and it's obvious he hadn't thought that far ahead yet. Yeah, well, that's you putting me on the spot. That's not my fault. You asked the question, you said, what do you make this

stands for? You put the tea all on the stand and he didn't have a back. Oh as free question needs answers. Now it was fotlight and it's too cool for rum come. I thought that Mike was setting himself up for a bit because when we were a game spot, Mike used to do this thing where he'd be like, oh, what do you think you know? Do you know where this was made from? And we'd be like yeah,

and then he would be like, walk away. He would make up something completely nonsensical, like the entire intention of it was to fuck with the asker, like you were never serious at all. What's the one where you like would intentionally be like you would ask something like what does Uh oh that was that was? What is a movie with people with much of my sense of humor? It's often like anger funneled through humor at like one person my

anger funnel. Yeah, Like we we worked with a couple of people, but one person especially who loved to butt into conversations and correct people when he wasn't This person wasn't even a part of the conversation. So in like as a way to mock them and bait them, I would start asking really obvious questions as if I was confused, so then they would jump in and correct it, and then the whole room would know that they were the asshole. So I would be like, what the fuck was Like, uh, what

did I say? Oh shit? What was the one that? Really? I know everybody at every office I've worked at with you and who you hate specifically. In my head, I'm going through this rolodex which one you're talking about? Like this person is the stereotypical like actually kind of person? I think I know who you're talking about. Yeah, I would have. I've said something like like what is what is F F fourteen stand for? Or

something? And then they would jump in like really quickly, and then the idea was to show them how much of an asshole they were, but they wouldn't even notice because they stuck out or up their own ass. So then the rest of the room and be like, oh my god. So we would always just like roll our eyes when he asked a question that he knew the answer to. Intentionally, I loved when I worked in the same office as Maharty, and I've worked in numerous I've worked in three different offices with

Mike Mahrty. So this could be anyone. But like if I heard someone start talking and saying some bullshit and I knew Mike would be pissed off. I would turn to Mike, who's with an earshot, and just see his face. He would just be staring daggers into me. It was like, I'm gonna fucking kill this guy or girl. Could be anyone. It could be anyone. Yeah, probably who knows. Uh. Yeah, I'm not ye. I don't usually hide it too well when I know you just like someone. No they know he did. Ah. Yeah, we did an

anonymous survey. Uh, I'm gonna be like delicate about this. We did an anonymous survey my company recently, and you get anonymous points back where like someone is like I love working remotely, or I wish that there were more

opportunities for growth. And they never put the name, but they would have anonymous pieces of feedback that we could look at and be like, Okay, I need to work on this or I need to improve this, and my team isn't very big, and they gave me my anonymous feedback in one of them was as a father of two, I think it's great, and I was like, oh no, as a six foot two father of two with light brown facial hair with blue eye in this morning an actually three pound I

know, just after I said, Hey, Mary, what's hanging? How was your weekend? I had a barbecue at my house with my wife, Sally and my daughter's mommy. As I drove home to Eldum Green Terrace. Here's a satellite image of my house. Here's a photo of my face.

But anyway, I think this is a great idea. It was lovely feedback, and it was like totally fine, but it made me be like so like later I was like, just so everybody knows, when you take these anonymous surveys, don't say really specific things about your life, because you know, I should be enough. Mary farted once and I didn't have the courage teller. I heard it and smelled it as I was celebrating my birthday on March second. I was like, oh no, I don't think you realized

that, or she It could be anything. It could be anyone, could be anyone. Yeah, yeah, that's I. We did like some and not. This is not the same thing at all. I was just telling I forgot about this, uh at just GameSpot mayor I think after you left. We had these like we had this week of like I forget what the word whatever, like workshops and we had different people come in and then we

kind of made workshops to teach people certain things. It was like get the international teams together when we had the Australia when they had the Australia and UK teams, And it was mainly like us skill sharing and it was actually pretty fun and useful. Is the reason for us to all get together during the day. And then you know, I would teach people like how to good practices for like writing a feature or something as opposed to reviews and news.

But we also had some outside people come in around then and we were sitting in like a meeting room, and this person was like, all right, let's just I want to get to know each other as a career development or something that we were we kind of had to attend. And this guy was like, all right, so let's start with you, Mike, what what is your greatest Like he had gone on the spiel and I was only greatest. Yeah so the icebreaker. Yeah, so he had been he had been

on the spiel and I was not listening to the whole thing. So I came out of like my trance and I heard him say like, so, Mike, what is your biggest fear? I was like being buried alive would suck. And he's like, I meant like career wise, yeah, this is game journalism, Baby, I don't know what's gonna happen. I was like, wow, I completely misunderstood this. And then there was that same week. It was just god, it was a bunch of clusterfucks. Yeah,

it was like we didn't realize. I think it was Rob Handleery. We someone was like, where's the guy that you hated that I was referring to earlier? Yeah, Rob Handler? Yeah the corrector Yeah, definitely away. Yeah, but how much I hate Rob Handler? I talk about that all the time. Uh no, like someone had we had been we were supposed to submit like anonymous things to this like uh after after this meeting,

we were supposed to submit something anonymously. But Rob answered the quest like two in the meeting room and he's like, oh no, sorry, this supposed to be anonymous. It's remember. Rob's like, oh sorry, so sorry, Yeah, I can't talk. You know Rob does that when he's embarrassed with I can't talk right now. Grandma, did you steal the fake phone call thing from Rob? Yes, fake phone call thing? No, I got the phone call thing from uh hello fuck. It was an ebombs World

video back before YouTube. This guy woke up like in his bedroom and there was like a college dorm trash scattered everywhere. A phone is reen so he kept picking up different things. Oh okay, say hello fuck hello fuck? Okay, like a shoe, a banana. Oh that's different. That's a

different bit than the grandma thing is Rob hanleery mom. Like, So what Rob does if he's in the middle of doing something like a bit and it doesn't land, He puts his hand up to his ear and goes, oh, sorry, I gotta take this mom, yeah, sorry, and he walks away. I can't talk right now, an escape. Yeah, but it is funnier that he does the hand because I assume his phone's in his pocket and that would make better prop. So the hand is funnier, right,

yeah. Yeah. When he traveled with us a couple of years ago and we were all at a bar with uh, We were just drinking at a bar, me, Rob in a couple buds, and a local started drinking with us, and we were just having a really good time. We were all getting along really well, and Mike was, uh, I think Mike, I think Rob said something like casually, what a great night. I'll have these memories forever. It was really sweet, and he was like,

I have to go to the bathroom. So he leaves and goes to the bathroom, and right like, as he goes, the cool guy we were drinking with was like, we have to take a photo. This is like such a fun evening. We have to remember this. It was not intentional, no one had bad like, there wasn't any reason that it just it just naturally happened like this. And so the guy you know takes his

phone down and starts taking selfies and right as he's taking selfies. Rob comes back from the bathroom and sees us taking photos without him, and he's just like, what the fuck is happening? And he starts freaking out and he called. He fake calls his mom and he's like, come get me. My evening, they took a whole bunch of photos at me and the guy like, we don't know him that well, and he's like, what's going on? He does, get me, mom, Come get me was always

really funny talk. We we're close to offending him that night, but he was fine. He always bounces back video games, Jump Bob, come get me, Let's do it. Mary. Last episode, you said that, correct me if I'm wrong. You said you don't really if you beat Animal Wealth, there could still be a lot to do, but you said you finished it. Now did you really finish it or are you just saying that

I have not. I don't know if you can finish Animal Unravels. Yeah, I rolled credits fifteen minutes after I talk to you, Dan, if that makes sense, Like it was fifteen more minutes of gameplay since the last time we talked about Animal Well, and then I podcast correct got it, So it was only fifteen minutes since getting the four beacons lit or whatever,

so it was a really quick turnaround to rolling credits. But once the credits roll, and again, I'm gonna be really careful because I think Animal Well is fantastic, and I really encourage people to play this Metroidvania esque game where you are getting items and the game doesn't explain what they are or how you use them, and so you have to play around with them to understand how

mechanically they work in the world. I do think that because it's so ambiguous, it can be frustrating for some people who are like, but I don't know what to do or where to go, And that is a problem that I'm facing now because my only hint after the credits rolled was gaps in my map. Right, I'd be like, oh, this area of the map is black, so I obviously have never been here before, so I will

travel there and I will I will look into it. But there were actually a lot of places in the time in that game that I had been to, but I was like, I don't know how to get through that, or like, I don't know what to do here, and I left and it turns out there's secrets in there, and it's very difficult to traverse.

Now there's no fast travel outside of the warps. Yeah, I mean that is the well I mean, did you do the Okay, at this point, let's just open season on spoilers here, so fast forward if you don't, I don't think so. No, okay, we don't tell only like three weeks old. Well, so are you saying the only way to fast travel is to travel to the hub room like manual, like to walk there? Yes? Oh oh oh, I won't elaborate. There's a way to do it. I've been way Yeah, I've been waiting for a faster travel

system. I think is my heart going to be broken? You could make your life a lot easier. Oh, this game, this game is so frustrating because like I got some items. I've been getting things and I don't think I fully understand how all of them work. What items do you have? I have a flute, I have a spinning top. Like I haven't played the game, managin. I know you haven't because I think it is the flute, but I don't understand. Like I've been to the fast travel

hub and it's very effective, but it's also very limiting. To be like I have to get one to one of my fast travel stations in order to travel around, and it's just been talk about it offline after Yeah, yeah, okay, just know the game has thought of this. Of course it has. Okay, I was I'll say I was observant and tried things and

was rewarded for it. I hate you, Dan is right? No record the part where I hate you and then when that no, yeah, they And it also does not have like that Prince of Persia, like you know, easy one button press, take a screenshot, put it on your map type thing. So like everything you're saying about the map and it getting frustrating is very true where it's like you're hunting for pixels that like, wait is that filled in? Have I not been? Have I not tried that corner

of that room? And then you have to like, well, especially if you're you're you're walking the whole way, uh, it takes a while to get there to just check it out to be like, oh right, it was that thing I couldn't do. You know, Yeah, I wish I had thought about this a bit more and understood how I could fast travel, But if I had also thought ahead of time, and I was in an area with a puzzle I could not solve. I should have marked it on my map and like written on my map what I wanted, and I couldn't.

I didn't articulate that, and so now I'm like not really sure where all the puzzles that I left unsolved are. What are you playing on on the steam deck? Okay? I was too, and like you know, switches screenshot thing is just so quick and snappy and easy to get to an access Steam deck. I'm sure it has the functionality, but like, I don't think I've ever taken my screenshot on steam Deck? Have you? I don't think I've taken a screen shot on my Steam deck. I think there

is, but I haven't done it. I very boomer style take a photo of my Steam deck. I was doing that. Yeah, and I have photos of both Animal Well and the other game I'm talking about on my phone. You just got to press and hold the Steam button and the R one trigger in Unison. That's funny. I don't think I've ever seen that like pop up or anything like that. So it's also annoying to activate a code on steam Deck as well, Like to go, you have to go settings

and then library and then activate a game or something. Yeah, it's it's so rare that like Nintendo and hardware and the way you do something is like the more simple, elegant way because usually Nintendo's so far behind and all that stuff. But like that screenshot buttons. Actually it's limited to thirty seconds for video, but like the screen shots, like remember Mario w see stuff, it would have those puzzles and like take a picture, easy to get back

to, here's the Kingdom. Same thing. Yeah, steam Deck. I have never used it on steam Deck either. So Mary, so have you? You've seen credits and you're still going, is that what's going on? Yeah? I think I have thirty six eggs. I don't know what's normal or an appropriate amount, but I feel like i've I have a very strong selection of eggs. I'm still really enjoying the game. I think I even this was really frustrating. I think I even know what the travel system will

be. I just didn't. I didn't. I don't know. I don't tell me what you think it is, and I'm just going to stare straight ahead and not respond. Okay, there are these like beacons that are throughout the game, and They're like they look like little posts with a ball on it. And I've tried playing my flute and I've tried spinning my little top near them, and I haven't seen anything. But I think these simple beacon structures probably like zips at me to different areas on the map I see.

Oh my god. I I wish sometimes that this game was a little bit more talky, because I could have saved myself so many boobless hours if I just knew how to get there. And I've been really adamant that I will be genuine in my playthrough of Animal Well that I would not look up how to get things done. And I've been pretty accurate to that, but almost to a detriment, because there are some puzzles are very difficult to solve without

someone explaining it to you. I mean, when they sent the codes out, they specifically were saying like, Hey, this is a game that is best experienced talking to people about the things you've discovered, and like they had a pre release discord server where it's like, hey, here's for press to talk about things that they've talked about, and like and I kind of did

what you're doing where I didn't want to go in there. I was like, I want to discover these mysteries for myself, and so I never joined the discord or anything, but everyone I've talked to that did that was like, yeah, it's actually kind of probably the way to go. So I do think it's intended to like share nology, if not like outright Google, what does this do? How do I do this? I think this type

of back and forth is like encouraged by the developer. Yeah, I think that's fair, But I also think, like as an experience, it's sometimes hard for me to swallow that I should have like talked to someone about that game a little bit more to understand it. I felt the same way with the last Silent Hill demo. Pt PT very clearly was constructed in a way that was we want you communicating as a as a globe about what you think

you're supposed to do next with the phone. Remember how everyone's like trying to solve that game. I was playing that game live on a stream for three hours trying to figure out how to get to the ending, and I couldn't trigger it, and we needed to talk to more people, I think in order to solve it. I found that really frustrating that the game just wasn't

solvable unless someone told you what to do. So that's fine, and that can be the design, but I think I prefer and get more enjoyment out of a game that is like we're gonna give you enough hints for you to get there. I will say I will say that the times that I have figured it out and stumbled across a solution has been joyous. It is extremely fun to finally figure out how to manipulate an animal or how to use an item in a different way, perhaps for trivor soul or something. It is

extremely fun when it does happen. So yeah, I think I'm kind of with you on on this, because like there is a certain portion of people that are talking about like this is like one of the greatest games ever. They're obsessed, They're going to see the ending after the ending ending. It is a great game, and I really enjoyed my time with it. But I spent like nine hours with it. I saw the first set of credits and then I was like, all right, people keep talking about like this

is where the real game starts. Here's where you know, and I was like, let's get some more eggs. Let's do this. But I did run into what you're describing, Mary, where it's like kind of frustrating, kind of banging your head against some stuff, kind of wasting time going around the map to things that don't lead anywhere. And I was just kind of like, you know what, I had a good, you know, nine hours with it. I saw credits. I feel like I had a in

my head. I feel I had a full experience with that game. So I did stop there. I don't intend on going back. I respect that there is that much more, and I've got friends that are like going super duper hard on it, and there are thirty forty fifty hours in going crazy with it and tons of notebook stuff and every but I just didn't I felt like I was okay backing out after the first set of credits. I think that's fair. I will say that at this point, and it can always

change, because you never know. I think that this will be in my personal top ten. I think it's extraordinarily good for the twenty twenty four game releases, and I love it. I also will not one hundred percent this game. I do not have the patience for it, and I have I have gotten too frustrated too many times, being like I don't know what this game wants me to do, and because I'm trying not to look things up, I'm just stuck sore. But I've enjoyed my time with it, and

I do fully recommend this game. I would say, we've talked about this before, but I have different recommendation levels based on how much of a gamer I perceive someone to be. I would not recommend this for a casual gamer. I really would not. Mary. I think everything you're saying is like a direct segue into what I feel about Lorelay and the Laser Eyes. Get it, Okay, So you were literally as soon as you started talking about it being ambiguous and everything, I made a note to like, yeah,

that this is that time's a billion I think so, Laura Lane. Laser Eyes is Steam and Switch like Animal Oil, and it is a puzzle game and a purna right, Am I wrong? That sounds right? Some mogo I thought they did Device nine. Let me look it up. Okay, but yes, very much a puzzle game and everything about it publisher and an Okay, we're both right, Yeah, go ahead, it is. It is. It's got a really cool style to it. I saw people.

Somebody described it as like if David Lynch designed an escape room, and I think that's probably a pretty good way to put it. It's like very kind of monochromatic with a little bit of red put in there. But you're a woman that goes into a hotel and there's just from the moment you get in there and start analyzing things like there's one button. There's only one button. You move around and impress any button basically to interact, deal with the menus,

slash and do puzzles. Walking walking is just like anaalg stick and then like context sensitive action button. Yes, so so yeah, you'll you'll look at something you know, it's a phone, it's a door, it's a statue, it's a puzzle, it's a notebook, it's something like this, and everything you interact with goes into like your your menu. So it's like there's like a photographic memory thing where it's like everything you've seen you can look

at. There's like a journal where it'll tell you like timestamped, like here's where you solve this, here's where you open this door, here's where you found this thing, Here's where you saw a dog. So everything is kind of like there's an inventory you get like a game Boy thing, like there's this is a type of game where you need to have a calculator and you

need to have a notebook to kind of track everything. And that really intrigued me a lot because I love shit like The Witness or Fez where I do feel like I'm like deciphering something, like I always love logic puzzles back in school and stuff, and last year was good, and that type of said yeah, yeah, so this is like in that conversation, but it is way more intimidating in terms of like as you're walking around that hotel the first

time, you're gonna like add thirty forty entries into your like, hey, you gotta unlock this thing. You got to put this cube into this thing. There's a hole here, what are you gonna do with that here? And like everywhere you look there's another thing getting added and very rarely are things getting solved. And so it's a lot of looking around, a lot of questions, not a lot of answers. When you do find the answers to

something, it is very satisfying. Like there are fun puzzles, there's a lot of math and logic going in math, there is a good amount of math, like for shortcuts in the hotel. Yeah, alind math, but like I'm surprised math puzzles. It's like, yeah, here's a four y four grid and here's a bunch of numbers and there's three question marks in there, so like what would those numbers be? And you have to figure out

like, okay, so that was four eight sixteen. Okay, so we're timsing by two, and then we got to like there's a lot of just

deciphering just to like unlock a shortcut. But then more than not, it's more confusing where it's like here's a statue with a three by three grid on a statue's head and it's just a bunch of letters and there's like a keypad next to it, but it doesn't seem to like tie to that at all, and there's no real direction, so you're like trying to find a notepad with you're trying to read like oh, maybe the date is something, or

this name maybe if I try to call that name on the phone. But then there's this woman, this old woman that's asleep and a bed and I can type in anything. It says like what do you want to say to her? And I can type in any word and there's like a doctor's note next to her that says like, oh, she responds to verbal stimuli about her place of work and her life. And it's like, well, I don't know shit about her. It's like I need to find a note about

her life and just say names from these notes, and nothing's working. And it's just it's the few times that I did like crack the code on something, I was like, oh my god, this is fucking amazing. I love this shy what's happening? Ninety percent of the time, yeah, ninety percent of the time, I'm like, Okay, where do I go now? And I'll look at my list of things to do and I'm like,

man, I don't have the slightest lead on any of this shit. And they try to kind of give you a little bit of breadcrumbing where it's so if you followed the red like oh, there's bloody footprints, there's some red pixels here, you know, trying to like lightly guide you towards things.

Even when I was trying to do that and like take their guidance, I would just walk into a room and just be like, uh okay, there's these architect plans here, there's this door over here where the keep hat, and it's just like most of my time was standing in rooms and walking around a hotel being like I don't even know where to start. So I felt

very smart and very stupid, mostly stupid playing this. But it it seems like if you're if you play an hour of this and you feel like it's clicking with you, I bet it's incredibly rewarding, because I've heard from people who've played through it that like the stuff later on, the game gets even way more insane. With this stuff. There's a lot of people who are really smart who want extremely challenging puzzle style games like Baba is You and that

Boat one where Oberton Obton the Boat. I'm really glad that you got that. You know, that boat game that insists upon itself, I do had. I really struggled with both of those games because they challenged me to such a degree that more than me saying ah, I am a smart person and that makes me feel good, I felt stupid and insecure and not confident that I was having fun. I feel like I'm getting there, I think, but I don't know if I'm enjoying myself. I don't know if this is

fun for me to talk. I feel like Baba Is You is like a game for babies compared to this, Like I in terms of like the progress I made like Baba Is You, I kind of moved through that pretty quick, didn't beat it, but like I was able to get really far level in Baba's You. I don't remember exactly what it is, but there's a point in Baba's You where I feel like collectively every gamer was like, oh fuck, ought to here. I definitely not out that at some point.

I Lourle Lorlai is polite enough to get to that point way earlier in case I went back out. Yeah, I think a really very polite way for you to say that this game is It's not a bad game, it's just for a very specific audience. And I felt that very much playing ober Din, and I've started to become aware of my limits with that type of game design. So I don't know if that sounds like it's for me, But I have to say all the other things that you said is something that I

would like. I love that color. I think it has a very unique style and design. I like one button concepts where it's like this could be anything, like, go figure it out. I don't want to have my gamer notebook filled with like forty pages of you know, there is a phone and there's a weird number that I have to deal. It can't be that complicated. It needs to be solvable to a degree within the room. I think is nice? Resident Evil does that really well? It'll be like everything

you fucking need is in this room. Figure it out, super not that this is Hey, take everything you have seen with your eyes for the last four hours and try to figure it out. You know, it's it's a lot. I think I deeply respect everything that I saw from this, and I think I'm too stupid too progress. Yes, and I'm good. I honestly think I am. I'm good at logic puzzles. I am good at this type of stuff. Like thenest type plays with me quickly? Did you

did you play Case to the Golden Idol last year? No? Two years ago? Okay? This is there's an email asking us like, have you ever recommended something that don't like? Is right up someone's alley that they still have not played or like refuse to play. In twenty twenty two. There was an episode where I tried to tell you guys that you would both love the Case the Golden Idol, and as a bit you kind of like ignored

me. It's logic puzzles where you're piecing together a murder based on these like you're setting these scenes and then you have to like piece together the verbs and the weapons and the stuff in the on the sheets and they get increasingly more complex. But that game is like a masterclass and never getting too It gets very complex, but it doesn't get like, uh, it doesn't get like

opaque ever. Okay, I'm gonna get it right now because it's great on steam Deck, but like, oh okay, it's I'm trying to describe it. You get like this static scene, like almost like a point and click adventure looking scene, and then you have to basically solve the murder and what

really happened. Sometimes the murder sometimes like you're clicking around like these I Spy kind of esque scenes of like cross sections of mansions and you're like, oh, okay, so now this is the servants quarters, Like I know that that person left to go get milk that one day and then this person came like Case the Golden Idlis honestly, like, aside from Elden Ring and Vampire Survivors, I think it was my number three game of twenty twenty two and

we talked about it a bit, did but like, did you play it? Mary? How did I? I think I told you that I would play. Yeah, like I think Jake and I talked about it. This game honestly it sounds like exactly what you guys we are looking for from Lurlei and like even parts of Animal well, but like all right, I download that. Oh man, it's it's it's in terms of like puzzle games, like I thought Chance of Sinnara was pretty good last year. What was the

other puzzle game last year that? Uh? Oh yeah, I did like Waves, but oh god, Case of the Golden Idol and they came out of the DLC. I've been meaning to go back to. That's what reminded me. Yeah, I'm the complete edition with everything, so I'll alter. Yeah, it's oh my god, I fucking that game is logic puzzles about murders and crimes, and like I think it's like eighteenth century it's supposed to

be. So you're like at this tavern where you know, like you're finding out that there was a murder upstairs, so then you're kind of like surveying the scene and then clicking through like people's belongings in their desks, and then going between the rooms and then like seeing what's in this person's pocket, and

you're like, oh, interesting. But then that game gets very good at like that's it's one of those like it's a very good crime investigation game as well, because half of the puzzles are about like, all right, I've been a suoning this was fact this whole time, and now I'm hitting a dead dead end, so I need to go back to the beginning and look

at like what I was assuming and what I can pick apart. It's it's really good that you know, I want to replay it looking for something to play right now like that actually maybe when you recommended it before, it was just in the middle of the lunch ship like because that does soundly and we listen to you, but we do. Yeah, it became a bit and then like you guys are like, no, I still haven't played it, and like that's shame on both of you, for we've grown as people.

We're better, We're always a work in progress, Mike, I actually think it's more of a reflection on you. I think it's a reflection on you for not being supportive of game developers. Mary, you're not growing with me, so you're also stifled. What does that mean that Nixon's campaign slogan you're not growing with me? And then also there's like this cool through line for all those all the levels whatever you want to call them in case of Golden NIDL, where you start to see like, oh, I see what the

overall story is here. It's not like hokey or gimmicky. It's just like, oh, interesting, these were all kind of connected. Yeah, the game's awesome. I want to replay it now that the DLCs out. Between that and Vampire Survivors, I think those might be my playing games for Paris. Actual pretty excited. But that sounds great. Yeah, and I'll be on the SGF flight soon, so maybe i'll play that. Yeah. Oh, it's a great flight game because like half the time you're just like kind

of you're not always interacting. Now that's not true. It's just like it's one of those games like it's just fun to kind of like look at the screen and not do anything. Else for like ten minutes at a time, being like what am I missing here? But it's very much like a crime, like oh my god, like it's hits you out of nowhere when like you go put it down to go to the bathroom and get a drink or

something like, oh I was assuming that dude had done that. But yeah, they tell you when you when you put the thing in the right spot, they'll they'll I forget exactly how it works, but I think it's just really good feedback loop throughout the whole game. I like that game quite a bit. Nice. Okay, I'm excited. I will try. Yeah, it's gonna be that's gonna be funny if that gets like best game that didn't come out this year when I've just been talking about it for two years.

I have been talking about for two years straight. But man, I think Jake and I were the ones we talked talked about this game. I think on it too. So I've probably heard about this a ton and just yeah, tried it. It's not Rob recommends it. We got Yeah, yeah, I'm eager to see what you think. I have a recommendation for you, Mike. Okay, So I played again Total War war Hammer. Is this a bit? You're got a total war Warhammer? And I was like, this has got Mike written all over it. Okay, sick, I'll

check it out. I played a game that's heavily inspired by both Resident Evil and Silent Hell, and it's called Crow Country. Oh this is on my list? Is it good? It's very good. It's on my It's like number two on my list of games. A fantastic game for people who enjoy those series, people who are looking for a spoopy game to play. But it's not too difficult. They have a really good concept. Let me let me back up. You are a detective who has been asked to go to

an old, abandoned musement park to find a missing person. As soon as you get to this amusement park, shit starts going down. Weird, creepy, kind of like messed up humanoid esque monsters are coming at you. It has I'm probably not gonna say this properly, but it has like tank esque controls. Right. It is old school. It feels and looks like a PlayStation one era, but it has all the detail that you need and it's it's not to be clear, it's not like eight bit or anything like it.

It has like good graphics, but it is it is meant to look like an old school game, and it does an excellent job at freaking you out, because much like those games back then, you had to kind of sometimes fill in what these monsters looked like because they weren't extraordinarily vivid. So seeing a blob that has kind of guts and meat looking pieces and then some eyes, you're like, is that like a melted person? Like? It has a fucked up style to some of the monsters that I think people will

enjoy. There are excellent puzzles. They have done a good job with having you run the map. Just like both of these games, you have to find the map on the wall in order for you to see it, and then it will tell you. I think it's great. Like Silent Hill, it circles an area in red when there's a puzzle there you haven't bet yet, and when you've beaten the area, it uncircles it automatically for you, so you do not waste your time constantly going back to the boiler room.

You've solved that area, baby like you need to be in the theater. It's great at guiding the It does not tell you what to do. It softly guides you. It's obvious. There's times when, like you will. You will be like walking down the aisle of some area and a huge number will be like twenty twenty zero seventy two will be on the ground. You'll be like, I need to write that down, and it will one hundred percent come back to play very quickly. This game is generous, but it

will push you to solve all these puzzles. I think it's just fantastically designed, and it's so obviously designed in the love of these old school games. So if you loved Silent Hell and Resident Evil, this is a This is a must play in my opinion for people who loved these games. It is spot on. It's done an excellent job. I'm gonna that's on my list for sure. That's right up there with Laura Lai. I want to check it out. I play. So what was the game? I think also

twenty twenty two was a Signalis, which I fucking love. That was Yes, we llis Resident Evil meets a bit of Alien almost yeah? Correct? Yeah, And I think if you and I both bonded off of Signalis, this is this year's Signalis. It's it's really brilliantly put to gey. I finished it in one sitting. I think it took seven hours, but I did not get up from my couch. I played this on my steam deck in one sitting. I was addicted. I played it until three thirty in

the morning. Oh wow, Yeah, okay, maybe I'll play that. Like I don't know, I'm I'm torn. I'm definitely gonna bring like my steam deck or my switch for the flights, but I probably won't be playing games. I'm not gonna be playing games during the vacation. But I like, do you think that'd be a good playing game or is that something that's better when I'm like hanging out at home in the dark, et cetera.

I mean, that's a really good question. I like scary movies on planes, and so I think I would like a scary game on a plane, but not everybody is a freak like that. I really like horror movies on planes. I don't know why. There's something about being a tube in the sky that I think suits itself well for scary games and movies. So I would do it, but I don't think it's for everybody. Thought i'd like to be more anxious on planes was great. Yeah, I guess I don't

have a fear of flying, like it doesn't bother me. But yeah, have I told you I can't play platformers on planes. Really, I'm generally better. I used to really not like turbulence. I'm generally better about it like these days. But platformers, for some reason, I get so into the game that it's hard to explain. It's the fact that, like the games revolve around not falling, and like I'm saying, trying to put myself in the character shoes, like I make this jump, like I got to

time this perfectly, and then the plane like jiggles a bit. I'm like, oh, like I can't like justify what's happening in real life. I was saying with the game, it's weird. Oh I played like all of Mario went on. Basically I wish I would because that's that literally is the game. The last game that prompted is something I can't I can't do it. I don't know what it is. I get so jumpy. There's that specific quality I look for in playing game, and like we we have the

best playing game category, and it's the ones where time melts Away. It's Vampire Survivors. It's for me. It's across three D. It's those ones where like I'll just put on a podcast and just like get lost in something, and that's kind of a rare thing, and so when I find one, I will like be like, I'm saving this for these flights I have coming up. You know, I've I've got Vampire Survivors, the guns DLC that I'm holding off for. And then what else did I just I've read,

down downloaded Enter the Gungeon. That game is still really good. I was, I was playing well recently. I like, I like games where you die, you finish around and you either make it or you die. Roagulikes. Yes, that's exactly I try to say. Blunky it was a really great one. That DC was great a game where like I have time for one more round, and when the round ends, whether or not I survive or die, then I will stare at the back of this seat I

I need. This is the first year since I started working like in an adjacent to the games industry that I'm very behind on games. My I'm keeping up with games as often as I can. But I was telling you guys, bore me with live. It's like so much of the games I'm playing now for work, it's not like, oh, what's new, what's new, what's new. Often it's like we have a specific project with the client. I'm playing games that are anywhere from three to five years old, like

for research. So it's very much more pointed research. So and then by you know, by the time I have to play something i'm gonna enjoy, it's not always like I'm too I'm almost too drained to play something new. So I'm just like, I'll go back to Warhammer three for a bit. Have we talked about Total war Warmmer three before on this show? I don't

mention, gotcha? Yeah I play that still. But yeah, I've got my point being, I've got I'm gonna have to do like a staycation at some point, like a day or two and catch up on games so I'm not useless by the time we get to our game of the year discussion. Oh, I've played Prince. I mean I've I've played most Animal. Well, I need to play door Aleul. You give you a cheat sheet of like, hey, here are the big ones. Here are the big ones. Oh, so, to be clear, I'm aware of what they are.

I read, I'm up to date. It's just I haven't gotten hands on with all that. God what watching you grasp the straws here? He's too cool for video games. Down he's a business man. Grasp that's straw Wait, way, what are you talking about. It's like I'm ie game all the time, classic, very gate keeping video games. We're the real gamers here now, Mary. Yeah, yeah, business meetings. Oh that's not what I said I was doing at all. I got business meetings.

Oh sorry, Sorry, I'm not sorry. I'm not playing bad games with Mitch and jew Grub and talking about grub. Oh we know so much more about Dakatana than you, businessman. Oh you know. Sorry, I'm not playing. Sorry, I'm not Who was this impression of sorry, I'm not Oh sorry, I'm not playing a game while people watch me play it online? Oh sorry, yeah, some of us have big boy jobs. Sorry, I'm sorry. There's no live chat next to the game I'm playing.

Groups are here live chats? Yeah, yeah, that's useful feedback. Oh no, no, internet chat are the most useful of feedback. Trush, Yeah, I love you, give me other games? Oh yeah, internet chat? Reddit? Yeah. Read games. Yeah, I got a few things I can touch on here. Ah, God, do I want to have you guys liked to hell Blade. I love the first game. I've not played too. I hated the first game, and I hate the second game more. Okay, yeah it's look, I don't if you haven't played

it. I liked the first one. I thought the first one was a really excellent reflection of like mental health. I thought it, I thought it overstated, it's welcome. I was like, I'm ready to be done with it when it's like when the credits rolled, I was like, great, I was ready to like it. When the first one, I was like, oh, that's interesting. This game wants to do like a look at mental health and stuff that's something that's not really treated well or realistically in any

way in games. And I was up for seeing that. And I did. I think it was a good game. And uh yeah, this one is that again, but drier and slower and less interact like I don't know, it feels like just barely interactive stuff that it doesn't seem like it has much to say. Granted, I'm not a story person. Never happened. I didn't care about the story in the first one. Don't care about it

now. It's a lot of slowly, you know, pressing the analog stick up and watching her like walk around and climb things and get into very slow combat that feels barely interactive. It's everything I said that I hated about Red Depredemption two and how everything is just laborious and slow and it seems like a story above everything, but it's it's way less interactive and way less of a video game. So like, hey, some people are liking this game.

It's speaking to some people. Great, happy for him. This is the exact opposite of anything I come to video games for. So it's the least me game imaginable. And again that's how the first one was. That's how this one is for me. I deeply did not enjoy my time with this. Okay, yeah, I haven't played it, but I really liked the first game, and I I just haven't gotten around to this game, and

that doesn't help. That doesn't make me like. It does not bode well for me wanting to play it because I liked what it was trying to do, but I felt like I got that from the first game. So if it's doing the same thing I've already had that experience. Yeah, it's undeniably like the animations are incredible, the sound design is incredible. It's like there's

stuff going for This is clearly made by very talented people. But it's yeah, it's you know, it's that conversation about like, oh, our game is supposed to be fun, and like I think, you know, games can be whatever the developer wants them to be, but people are gonna that's gonna your mind. Lage is going to very a lot based on what you went. And for me, I can't think of games that I love that aren't fun. You know that is I come to games for fun and without

exception. Really I want things where I feel like I'm playing a video game. The more something feels like a video game, the more I'm gonna like it. Pretty much, this does not feel like much of a game. Yeah. Again, it goes back to the Red Dead two thing. It's that's why I didn't like Red Dead two. It just felt like it was this kind of interactive art piece, prestige whatever the fuck, And that's I'll

watch HBO if I want that. So not into it. Not a fan, that's a bummer, okay, but like it some people like it a lot, so I don't know. I'm undownloading it. If you like the Hey you like the first one, so you you got a heads up on me. So maybe it's game pass I believe, right, Yeah, but Mary should buy it. Damn it. Dan, you texted me yesterday telling me about this MAJORA or like n sixty four recompiler at like high frame rate

versions. It's more than that. It's insane and I am not smart enough with like computer ship to accurately describe it, So I'll just tell you what

looks like to play and feels like to play. There's something some code that got cracked in the last week or two with the Nintendo sixty four where basically I think it has something to do with like all of the files, all of the programming, all of the guts of these in sixty four games can now be decompiled and recompiled to play on PC and take advantage of high frame

rates, high resolution, different controllers, mods, things like that. So now all of these sixty four games, and it seems like they're starting with like the Zeldas, you can do the crazy bullshit with where it's like I'm playing Majora's mask I'm playing Operating of Time at like one hundred and sixty five refresh rate with you know, four K or ten ADP or you know, just look looking absolutely incredible with a bunch of mods, a bunch of just

like drop down, very easy to customize things where it's it is looking incredible, and like I've done stuff with like remember Mike, you joined me on a stream like four years ago with the three DS operat of Time that I added texture packs to in HGA, and like that stuff is always existed with emulation, that's always been possible, But this is like recompiling the whole fucking game and making it look like just seeing ocreatum Time or MAJORA running at these

frame rates is way more impactful than I expected when I first heard about this, because like people were telling me about it, and it wasn't until like the cut scenes and stuff at the beginning of Madura and Died and I had control of Link. I was like, holy shit, it is crazy to see and feel Majora playing like this. So I was just kind of digging around with that for a while, and then I got this Aquarina mod.

It's called like Ship of Harkenian, and I realized too that you could add you can do a randomizer on that, and that's been around forever with emulation. But I did a randomizer of Ship of Harkenian Operam of Time, and I had a crowd control to it, so like twitch viewers can like trigger bombs and enemies dropping me in and warping you around the map and stuff.

So it's like the most fucked up Ocarina possible, where it's operat of Time looking and feeling incredible, but all the chess and everything are randomized and the crowd is fucking with you, and oh my god, it was so much fun. I was just wanted to do a little test stream and I wound up going for like four hours the other night. And it is even even if you just played it straight though, just played Ocarina with these mods or

played Majora the like, you know, recompiled version. It is like anyone who is a fan of those sixty four Zelda games needs to see what this looks like and feels like and all the customization you could do with it. It is wild and it's so much more than even like the the three DS remix, which were awesome back in the day. Yeah, I like footage of clock Town with the high frame rate. It's weird seeing the carpenters walk around at that. It seems it's a bit surreal. Yeah, it's a

bit. Yeah. And I saw that on YouTube, like like I'm sure you're seeing like the YouTube stuff now, and like I was like, oh, that looks crazy. But then when I played it and it's actually running natively that way and you're controlling it, it's like a whole other level of like this is fucking nuts. So like, I am so excited to see kind of where this goes with like that. Of course you start with the Zelda's, but like I want to see a bunch of mariosup Gold and Eye,

Perfect Dark Mario parties, you know whatever. Like there's a lot they can do with this, and it's it's very very interesting to me. Okay, yeah, And then real quick, while I'm kind of on the Zelda note here, I played a little bit of master Key today, which is another one of those like one developer games very much you know, based on like links in the past. It's monochromatic, so it's maybe a little more links awakening. It's it's a little straightforward in terms of like there's a billion

games that are inspired by Zelda, and it's like this one. I played about an hour of it, and I was like, I didn't really see anything that like really pushed it beyond another Zelda tribute. So I don't know. I tended to like, you know, Blossom Tales and other ones that have kind of been their own thing as well. Son didn't love Master Key.

There was an interesting thing and that there's no dialogue, so you do have to figure out like you go to a shop and you see a bunch of stuff and it's like you see symbols of like, Okay, I think this gives me more life. I think this maybe makes me do more damage. You kind of just have to spend your money and see what it does. But overall didn't really grab me. And the other Zelda thing is windwacer

HD. I'm now like halfway through it on the steam Deck. It is a great on steam Deck, and it reminds me of all of the updates they made to windwacer HD from like the Swift sale and everything that make it so much better than the original, and the original is one of my favorite Zelda's anyway. But yeah, like it's like really fun, you like have

a good reason to go back and play it. Yeah, it's it's I think once I got it running on the Steam deck, cause like I'm constantly getting all these devices and just getting every possible system I can all configured on it, and that's part of the fun for me. And I was like, okay, let's see how wind Waker runs on this, and it was running fine. I was like, oh, it's been on When did this

come out? Like this was about ten years ago. It was probably the last time I played Windwaker, And then I just like did the first dungeon. Oh, I'm on Dragon's Rust, Like I actually maybe I just want to keep playing wind Waker, And turns out it's still extremely good. So okay, yeah, so a lot of all this stuff going on right now. But yeah, the one that's really got me thinking a lot is all of this shit you can do with the compiled recompiled stuff. It's very very

cool. Yeah, I need to check those out. Yeah I haven't. I haven't played majoras yet this year, so this would be a good excuse. Like it's crazy like with the Akerina things like the mods you could do, there's all these drop downs and it's just it's so minute, these little things where it's like, oh do you want it? Yeah? So I mean you can just make it so it's oh, it's it's randomizing the sounds,

randomizing the color palettes, or doing this or that. But then you can also be like, okay, this annoying little thing where like when the owl talk to you, and it would always at the end like did you understand it would default to know it's like yeah, it'll switch to that, like recognize everything, any little complaint you could have ever had about ocherne of time, and you just toggle a checkbox or whatever, or you can just do goofy once where it's like random enemy sizes, so you walk into a

room and it's like that's a big fucking bat, or like here's a tiny little skeleton guy. And it's just things that kind of like mix up the game like that. I spent like thirty minutes going through all these dropdowns and be like oh that's cool. Oh that's cool. Okay, yeah, oh I think I do want that. Okay, tech speed up so that'll make it pass. We go through this, Okay, this will do this auto save when I go into a room, like there's quality of live stuff,

there's goofy stuff like the enemy sizes. It's a it's just really fun tweaking a game that you've played so many times and know that well in a bunch of different funky ways. And then if you want to get sucked up and do randomizers and crowd control and everything, it's you can really go nuts with it. So uh that that's been delightful cool. Yeah, I gotta check that out. I uh, I think the last time I played MAJORA was still the the last few times I played it was the three D S version,

which is great, but it sounds sounds rad. Yeah. Do you guys want to do emails? Yeah? Okay, As always you can write into fire sky Cast at gmail dot com with questions, comments, concerns. Get your questions in re up them. A lot of the ones we have banked are dated, so send theiment updated. Yeah. It was like I was reading through some like Walter Mondale, What when do you think oj? You kids wouldn't know you? Mary? Do you want to read this first

one? From Joseph? Do you think O J Will die? Much Love? From Ontario? Question asked a video game podcast, When do you think O j is going to crow send that another BombCast. Dan is right a let it die, hey, fire Escapees. I started listening last May and finally cut up to episode eighty after hearing after loss of listening in the car and man, it's been a ride the car. I added that last part.

I've grown to respect Mike's love of boats and wine, Mary's obsession with a game about an empty night, and Dan just being a fucking fucker. Dan was a hard one to get used to, especially with him making my eye twitch whenever he mentioned my beloved Horizon series. Oh it's bad. So to my question topic thing, I noticed Dan was never berated more for not finishing the masterpiece that is the Avatar the Last Airbender the Nickelodeon version. Y'all

should really hound him for that. I agree. Has there ever been a show or game that you just love with an absolute passion, but when you recommend it a friend, watch or play it, they give it five minutes of attention? Do you listen to this podcast? I genuinely did not plan that with Case of the gold Mine, Joseph, thanks again for all the laughs and keep up the great work. Joseph s from San Antonio Texas. Ah, gee, let me think every game ever, well, Simpsons.

Look, you can't give me ship for Avatar. The Simpsons we tried with Mike, and uh, he did. I will not fall off quick. I updated like six episodes worthies most of them. Yeah, yeah, any episodes. No, you selected the episodes for me and I watched. We curated watch more piece of ship. You're a liar, a thief, and you're a piece of ship. Whatever. If we had to go around the

horn on things that we've suggested to each other. So if Mike didn't do Simpsons, I didn't do I mean I fell off Avar immediately as much as I did Avatar. What is there something that we pushed from America? Every episode you curated for me. I don't know if you both were like, you have to play this and I did. I usually play the recommendations from both of you. Mary is pretty good about that. It's pretty devastating. I'm not going to break this. I'm not going to labor. I'm not

going to blabor this. But I I think that Hollow Night deserved more attention. Mary. I'll tell you this. I Uh, when I thought I was going to Poland, A couple of weeks ago, I was like, I need a bunch of stuff in my steam back. I need to like load up. And it's like, Okay, there's a new stard thing.

There's the Operation guns del See, there's this. And I was looking at Hollow Night and I downloaded it and I said, you know what, I'm going to download this and I'm going to have a lot of time I'm going to play it. And my intention was I thought there was a decent chance that I would play through Hollow Night, get really into it, and come back and on the next episode be like, hey, Mary, have you

heard of Hollow Night. It's really weird. Yeah, you got to like start mentioning very specific things when Holly Night's brought up, like Mary, you know, like when you go to the Haunted Wastes or whatever, and then yeah, this and then you fight this boss. No, I I honestly thought, was I mean, yeah, full scho it has been a bit that I've just done too, Like well, I mean, I kind I meant everything I've said about Hollow Night, but I also play it up.

No I do, so I want to. I don't think honestly, I've given a real shot. I think you I don't think you've ever really genuinely given it a shot. I think you quit when you got stuck because you're a little baby boy, and you have taken shots at the art style unnecessarily because it's actually a beautiful game. And I also get that if we're just if we're shooting here, then I'll say that, like you know, so something like many shoot adventures I played, like many shoot adventures does not have

a great art style. It has a much more generic one than it does. Yes, we ago, I I am for real. I am up for trying that game again, giving it an earnest shot, and then it'll be very funny if I just love it and act like you never said anything about it and I found it on my own just die. I mean,

that would really piss me off. But I would like the idea that you actually gave it the try it deserved because it is such a beloved game, and I don't think you're usually wrong, and so it's always kind of haunted me that you've had You and I have consistent views on a lot of games. I've always respected your opinion, and then there's just this one game where it's like you're just fucking stupidly wrong about and I would like to prep that

even if you do it to make fun of me. But partly both ways were true where it's like part of it was I did fall off and I did find things that I was annoyed by with that game. And then also it's true that I just kind of leaned into it to annoy you. So I wanted to give it because so many people I respect and so many people who have similar taste as me, talk about that game in such glowing ways

that like, I do feel like I didn't quite get that. Mainly you, I mean you were you were the one that I've talked to the most about this game, but plenty of others too where it's like there's clearly something going on with this game that I maybe didn't play enough to get or look, there are times too where let's say something like Binding of Isaac. I remember Tim Terry telling me about that, and I mean, like, oh,

it's like zeld inspired cool, I'll try it out. And I was like, wait what you die and you lose all your items and you go back to the beginning after this, Yeah, And it's just I wasn't ready for, like I hadn't played Rugue Lights yet, I didn't really understand the concept, and so that was just maybe I wasn't ready for it. So now I've played so many metroidvanias. It's one of my favorite genres, and maybe Hollow Night was doing things that are more common now and I've gotten a

little acclimated to that. If I went back now, it wouldn't be abrasive to me and I could actually just enjoy it. So I will say right now, I'm open. I'm very open to giving Hollow Night a real try and maybe turning around on it. Joseph S, You've changed my life. I think this could be the turning point for this podcast. I love the idea of you giving that a whirl, and I'm also open to any time you have both said I can't believe you didn't play x I. I really

do try. I don't. I don't think I've gotten them all. But you're really good about it. When you tell when you text, when someone texts me is like, play this game. I play the game. I mean, I remember Mini Shoot. I gave you the hard sell on that and then I saw you streaming it like the next time animal wel I remember in the discord being like texted and you're like, oh, this is my ship, Like you're awesome about that, like you always checked that out.

So I referrals are nice. Yeah, I lovel I'm gonna give it hollow night another try, I think, yeah, and then I'll really love it and I'll talk about how it's the thing that I discovered and yeah, yeah A fan of Indie Darling's Dan Reichert. I'm like, I'm a big indie guy. I love indies. Seriously, I'm a big indie guy. I was talking. I was talking Abounk recently about like the stuff that excites me more these days mall Dev's Cojma No no, no, seriously, like I

fucking like I Ragnarok did jack ship for me. Fucking Sinya was whatever is doing nothing for me, Like a lot of Triple A is boring the ship out of me right now. And I really do find that the things I gravitate towards are like a cool indie game or something like an animal will is infinitely more interesting to me, like the same three games, because you don't know anymore, and it's very obvious who is grasping indie games time Blatro of

Children of the Sun. Mary, you recommended Children of the Son. I played through it all on in a couple of sittings and I loved it. Right, Oh, I played Children's Son. That game is rapid. Yan of indie games, Dan Riker, I am more excited about indie right now that I'm excited about Triple A. Person. Sure talking about what are the huge Triple A games that I'm going to bat for sure? Just never shuts up about Fortnite. Sure, I haven't played. I played maybe an hour

of Fortnite and night. Sure, I still have a lot of respect for Fortnite. But really, yeah, it's it's it's good still man. We totally believe you that you appreciate any a. God, we totally believe you. Man. Oh my god. We're gonna move on because we absolutely I am more Indian than A these days. Anybody who's truly and he never has to shout that on a podcast, I am the king, says oh man, whatever you say, Dan, olkry next email. I love. I

love when we frustrate Dan and he can't. You can dish it out so well. I don't never anyone intentionally. What are you talking about? Sound thank you. We need a sound word for all the times Dan has talked about indie games and he likes, oh wait, what are you talking about? Starting Valley was my game of the fucking year? What do you mean? How many years ago? Was seventeen? Seventy years ago? Okay, do you want to play this fucking game? I will pull up all of

my top tens. Jesus is crazy game? Seven years ago? Alright? Was twenty twenty three? Okay? Well, okay, what was it? What was it? Maybe twenty twenty three is a badga? What? Okay? You started from one to ten? No, Dan Reiker, Game of Armor cor It was uh, Tears of the Kingdom, than Pickment four, than Evercore, then Resident Evil four, then super Mario Wonder, then Super Mario ARPG, then Mortal Kombat one, then Alan Wick two, then David

Diver David divert number nine. More's fucking Mario. Shit? Okay, hang on, hang on by seventy people. Hang on. Maybe twenty twenty two is better? Sheldon Rings Vampire Survivors. Oh yeah, okay, wait, okay, okay, here we go, here we go, here's where we're

talking. Okay, twenty twenty two number one, Vampire Survivors number two, Elden Ring number three, Fortnite number four, Neon White, Neon White number five, Powerwash Simulator number six, Tiny Kin number seven, Nobody Saves the World number eight, Mario Rabbits number nine, Sonic Frontiers number ten, Cult of the Lamb, Cult of the Lamb. That is a indie heavy list right there. I deeply respect Triple A, unlike you. You you two

don't think Triple A is real games. I respect all games and game developers. Sheldon. I love how frantic Dan gets when he doesn't he can't control the flow of bullying. Yeah, you're probably right. Okay, So Dan, you shit, you were really into indies two years ago. Good New Year. What I think it's? I think you just keep going. Let's do twenty twenty one metroy Dread, Reternal Death, Stranding Directors, Cut, Halo Infinite, Super Mario three D World, Mario Party, Superstars, Cruising,

Blast Yeast, Cusins. That doesn't count Hitman, Hurry Resident Evil Village not an indie amongst Cruisin blasts A. Jason, you are fucking trying and reaching. You know, when we started this argument, I thought it would be more indy heavy on my top tends to be frank. Yeah, well you're the one who made this call. Shit, Mary's down there slopping around in the in the in the steam store looking for those I came from the dirt I do playing indie games my entire life. This is my fucking m

O. I have watched you fucking slurp up cyberpunks and fucking Marvels. What Maryeah, that's damn. I did not claim to be more of an indie opicion the new Mary you are. You are a great champion of indie games, Dan Riker Top ten games of twenty twenty, Marvels, Spider Man, Miles Morale. Wait, you're going from ten, right? That's from ten? Right? Okay, I wouldn't give that number one. Yeah, okay, you're not insane. Okay, I'm just saying you're a liar. What

My memory's just bad? I rest my case. Uh okay, okay, number one this year is probably like right now, like Prince Persia Bilatro, These aren't like Triple A necessarily. You know, we'll see where you end up, fair weathered friend. Next email, All right, Dan, you want to read this one. I just bolded something you don't have to read just because it's a bit lengthy, but I think the rest is pretty necessary, so don't worry about reading the bolded thing. Okay, uh hey,

fire skip crew. Big fan of the show. I love stacking episodes up so I can listen while cooking or exercising to help the time melt and decide to finally reach out to pluck your brains on some topics. My wife's thirty birthdays come of November. I decided to treat her to a trip to New Orleans. Is that the thing that you say every every year? Because you know what I mean, like everybody's birthday is coming up November. Oh, I see what is happening. I'm an idiot. I was like, coming

up in November is not coming up? That is forever from now. But he's saying thirtieth, thirty especial specifically number. I withdraw my comment. Oh, last episode, Mary's like take your wife's out on dates more get flowers, not for Valentine's Day. This guy's trying to bring his wife to New Orleans for a great week, and ladies, I thought he was. My wife's birthday is coming up in November, and it's like, so's mine? Next year you got along. Wow, but hear that, Jesse. Oh

my goodness, Jesse, we support you being a loving husband. For the record, Dan and I do Dan. Yeah, yes, specifically, Yeah, you still can do better. Go on. They're going to New Orleans and we've been going. We are going with our best friend couple for a few nights, so we'll have time to take in the area. I remember Dan, and I believe Mary is saying they loved them in the past, really enjoying the atmosphere and culture questions already, have any recommendations for must do

se eat adventures for New Orleans? How you usually break up a trip to a place you've been planning structure in the front, Lucy Goosey before you leave. That is a great question, Jesse. Oh, any inpo or insight will be appreciated. Thanks for all the laughs and good vibes. You're my

favorite group on the internet. Thank you. Jesse. Yeah. I've been five or six times now to New Orleans, and it is that it's interesting that you bring that up, because like it is one that you want to specifically do some things and make reservations and go to certain places, but also it's a city where you want to have like, hey, we got this five hour chunk in this afternoon where it's like let's just wander and go into

places. So that is the have a couple things planned each day, Like we know we're getting dinner at Coops, we know we're going to Commander's Palace here, we're going Turkey and the Wolf for lunch. But then like leave yourself big blocks on that calendar four or five six hours of like we'll just be in the general French Quarter area and walk around, drink and eat and

go into market stuff like that. But just have like a couple like kind of tent poles throughout the day that you know like Okay, we got to be here by this time, or got to get back to the B ANDB, so we're changing ready to go for this, but give yourself plenty of breathing room. Yeah, we like often just using our upcoming trip as an

example, we're doing three nights in each spot. But we also we've made a bunch of reservations for restaurants for just winery visits, for like we've planned out time to go to like certain like on bike rides, we've rented bikes and had the car and whatnot. But in each place, in each city, we're gonna be staying our village, town, et cetera. We've left like a day where we definitely can just wander kind of be more like winging

it, because often I find that that's we've talked about this before. It's like oftentimes that's when you find your new favorite bars, or you just stumble in somewhere, or you find like some hole in the wall diner or something that you never would have planned for and made reservations for, and all of a sudden, that's the place you recommend to your friends when they're going stuff

like that. So yeah, I definitely leave more open. But like in terms of how I structure it, we I think think we tend to plan more upfront, like reservations and whatnot, and then once you've gotten to know this wherever you are on the back half of the trip, that's when you can make more informed, let's wander here decisions That neighborhood seems cool, we have not been there yet, Like we usually I think tend to front load the structure and make it a little more as Jesse said, Lucy Goosey on

the back end, and then you can talk to people that are from there have been there a bunch, and they're like, oh, we got to check this out. But it's like, okay, we got to open on Thursday. We could go there for dinner, you know that type of stuff. Yeah, and then like your vacation style, Your vacation style is to

not overplan. Yep. If we want to talk specific New Orleans, when Bonk and I went for our uh for honeymoon, we were staying at a B and b right by this place called Turkey and the Wolf right when it opened up, and like that year it got named like best new restaurant in America that I Bone Appetite magazine, and we're like, okay, this is very unassuming that real magazine. Yeah, No, it's like legitimately, like Turkey in the Wolf is like a deeply res what no, Bone Appetite magazine.

Yeah, twenty seventeen the best restaurant in America. Yeah, is that a thing that people read. I've never heard. Yeah, I've never heard it. Oh yeah, No, I don't know a lot about this type of stuff. But it's just a funny name. No, No, this is this is a yeah, super legit. It doesn't look like much on the outside. It's just on this random corner they have this it's this chef Mason Herford that has a few places in New Orleans, and all of them

are incredible. The signature there is this fried Baloney sandwich, Like you want to go for lunch if you're there right when it opens, that's best you can kind of get in. It's very kind of like nineties themed, kind of kitchy, uh, but yeah, the Pride Bloney Sandwich is incredible. All their salad, like even like basic things on the menu, like just these salads that you think wouldn't be the craziest thing. You'll take one bite of it and be like, how the fuck does this taste this good?

That Pride Blony sandwich. It's got like potato chips and stuff on it. It's simple ingredients, but their shit is so good. And then he also opened up recently Hungry Eyes, which is a really like eighties themed kind of Miami Vice style thing, a bunch of like great appetizers and stuff. So we did Turkey and the Wolf for lunch in Hungry Eyes for dinner one time, like a year or two ago. And then he just opened up a

breakfast place called Molly's Rise and Shine that we really want to try. But yeah, the Mason Herberd restaurants, they are incredible, some of the best food I've ever ever had in my life. But then also like just the traditional New Orleans stuff. Coop's Place is a good one in the French Quarter. Commander's Palace is a very old one that you need to get reservations far away ahead of time. But New Orleans is like the best food city.

I think there's something too food that you should get that it doesn't matter. I mean, it does matter, but I don't care where you get it. And I don't have a specific place, but I just want to name some things that I think it's important that you have while you're there. Beignet's Gumbo, ye a Poe Boy, John Balaiah Jumbalaya, and one of those really heavily alcoholic drinks. The Hurricanes or yah, the big green machines. The Hurricanes are the red ones, and then what the fuck the I always

mix those up. The Hurricanes are the red ones, and those are a little better. And there's just like the neon green things on Bourbon Street. I forget what they're called. The hand grenades and they will fuck you out. It's just pure sugar. They will fuck you up crazy gas. But you can get those from anywhere, and I think they're worth it to enjoy the experience on the street. So I hope you enjoy some of those things.

One other thing I'll just throw out, and this is totally debatable of whether or not this is your jam, but there's a lot of old history in that area and really good ghost and spooky stories, and so if you want to try a ghost tour, I did a ghost tour and I loved it. It was filled with legit buildings, right that have actual history. They're not just made up and fucked up. Stuff happened back then, and so they have like genuine history and then they'll be like, maybe she's still

inside, but like the stories are scary and interesting. So I think the history of the town is really worth if you want to do a tour, walking tours, if that's your jam. I know they're not for everybody, but I did a ghost tour at night. It started at like ten pm. I thought it was great, So I recommend it, but only if you're into that kind of stuff. We and also the cemetery tours where it's like they have a bunch of those urban legend stories and that is great because

it's it's just filled with old like dead people. Like there's more like there's so much crap that happened back then, weird old dead people stories. And also like here's Nicholas Cage's pyramid tomb that he builds a tax shelter that he's going to be buried in, Like that's the case. We saw Nicholas Cage's house and it's like also filled with like a lot of like messed up stories. Like it's a very interesting area. One of my favorite bars to stop

by there. It's on Bourbon Street. It's kind of like near kind of the end of the really busy tourist the spot, but it's a Lafite's blacksmith shop and it's it's the longest running bar like building that has been a bar for the longest time because it's like Pirate times seventeen hundreds and it's still lit

by candle light. There's like a piano in there, but like you know, good cocktails and stuff, but just the vibe and there's just this old ass stone building that pirates used to drink in hundreds of years ago that is

still running as a bar on Bourbon Street. Fucking awesome. And then Frenchman Street if you want to get away from Like everyone says, Frenchman Street is Bourbon Street for locals, it's basically less crowded, more just kind of low key, like jazz stuff like that, and and good food, and less just like, okay, here's a bunch of overpriced sugary drinks and like people

puking. You know, Frenchman streets a little more like low key people can kind of handle their shit, and here's just like some cool live music and stuff. We stayed right off of a Frenchman Street last time, and it was very very cool over there. So New Orleans is wrong my favorite city to visit. You can't go wrong, and I do. We were earlier talking about like your vacation style, it's your style, but I really,

genuinely I just want to double up on Dan's recommendation. There should be large swaft of time that you haven't had anything to plan, and your plan is to walk the streets and look into the alleyways and discover something. Don't plan out your whole trip. That I find that to be a waste. In an environment as interesting as this one, you will find something and it will probably be the highlight of your trip. It will not be the thing you

researched. It will be the thing that you stumbled onto that is yours, so little bar that you never read about or anything. It's like, we fucking love this place. Yeah, hundred percent. One of the last thing swamp tours. Swamp tours, go fucking look some crocodiles, you know, hold the old baby crocodile, Get on an airboat, get around. It's fucking awesome. Why why not? I don't like gators or crocodile as good. The best thing is when you go on like a swamp tour. Your

guides are always the coolest because this is what they do. They know all the gators like by name. They're like, oh, here comes Carl, Carl, come on up and around, cool like they You're safe in the hands of these guys. I don't trust anyone to keep me safe from gators. Have you seen those things in New Orleans will keep you safe. It's still not safe enough from those monstrosities. I will never be within ten feet of a gator. You're just makes me want to go to New Orleans thinking

about this. Yeah, it's so good. The coffees, the frozen coffees with booze in them, like starting your day with one of those. Good. I want to go back to New or Yeah, let's do our top ten in New Orleans this year. Oh my, we would die in New Orleans. Jesus be so drunk. It kind of sounds amazing. I would go to the same place on Frenchman Street I got last time. It is awesome. Oh, it'd be a great place to do. Oh fuck, I could bring cameras. We could totally do that and just do a do

a meet up for people who are around there. I wonder how many. I wonder how many fans we have in New or Louisiana or like that, like mississipp No, Texas sound off. What a cool fucking place though. Wait, we have people in Texas. We have people who argue about being the most biggest fan from what San Marcos. All right, all right, well there you go. There's some recommendations Jesse enjoy your trip. Well we'll it's in November, so we have time. You have time. H there

you go. There's the emails. Like I said, you can ran to fire skip cast at gmail dot com and that's our episode. That's episode eighty two. I'm off in a few days. We have crazy summer stuff coming up, but I think hopefully we can make it through the summer with no more than one of us gone per episode. But I will not be here next episode. Yeah, it will be in sansera. I think when you're

recording. Let me see. I sent a DM to a somebody I think would be great for the next one, and I got a yes, I'd love to from the person we talked to or we talked about Mary so good on that person. I right say it or just not? I mean, schedule stuff can get weird. I don't know what my surgery is going to be, but uh, it's a it won't be a shocking to be a friend of the This will this will shock you know. This is not widely wildly outside of our friend of the podcast, but let it be known not

my best friend apparently is probably right, thank you. As I found out Harsh that's Manati. It could be anyone. It could be a father of two, It could be anyone. Anyone. Naughty Mike, Mike manah, Mike, naughty Mike Mike naughty, Mike nay Mike, Mike naughty, Mike Manaughy Mike, Mike naughty, Mike naughty Mike, Mike nay Mike. Yeah. So once it's locked in, we'll be much like hell Blade that went on for way too long, six that felt like six hours, made that

well high. They can do for merch, go to fourth Wall. You're gonna want to check out our summer line Fate merch dot com. Go to fire Skate merch dot com. Why do I keep tossing this to you every episode because you believe in me? Yeah. I have put together quite the tremendous fire Escape summer collection. There's some really good T shirts, tank tops, booty shorts, there's a very scantily clad bikini in there. There's banana

yellow bathing shorts. You're gonna want to get there. We will retweet anything that you not anything. We will retweet most of the things that you send to us wearing our merch. So, Mike Manati, we're in the TI We did please We March. We love. Fourth of July. You got like a whole one more month to stock up before those you bust out those bods. Fourth of July weekend if you're in America. But that's also the weekend we're ending the sale worldwide, So even if you're not in America,

do it. Dan, tell them what they could do on Spotify and iTunes, et cetera. You can do the rating thing. I don't know if it works, but yeah, I don't know. If you're bored. If you're bored, just give us five stars or whatever it is. Yeah, it has to be. It has to be. It has to be five stars. Yeah, and then yeah, we uh we we're into summer a few weeks out. Oh yeah, joint summer. In my mind, June twenty first, it was like eighty five degrees in humid here all weekend on

Memorial Day. After Memorial Day is the beginning of summer in New York. In my opinion, we hail here today, ice falling from the sky. Its too, it can't happen. It's mostly nice though, it's been mostly you know, seventy eighty And what do you have going on outside of fire Escape? Oh boy, you're listening to this. We're probably right about to do our giant bomb summer games fest stuff. So tune in Friday and Saturday, We'll be doing our live shows with the Couches and then Sunday night,

June ninth at the bell Weather in Los Angeles. We have a live show tickets around sale now look it up when I come attend and purpose in purpose in person is what I meant to say. Mary, I think I might be seeing you right. Yeah. My update is the same. I will be going to Summer Games Fest to hang out with some streamers and then I'm gonna hang out with you on the couch and I will also be there. I wouldn't miss it. I absolutely love seeing your live shows. They're so

fun, So I will be there. He'll be great, Mary, What you have going on? That's it. That's my update. I'm gonna go there. I'm gonna go. I can't wait to go to there. What about you, Mike? We know you're going on vacation. You're gonna be gone, You're yeah, he can'll probably get your bags packed and your hat ready to go vacation, which I assume you have, which I have? I have assumed that you have. Yep, I have I have several Uh No, will be during Summer Games best That's what The fourth, the sixth,

sixth to the eighth. Yes, we'll be in I'll be in Bordeaux during that whole time, not not not thinking about, not talking about video games. I'm I'm video games might come up between my wife and I, but I won't be on the show. I'm gonna try to call I'm gonna try to FaceTime Dan at some point when I'm wearing like a linen suit and with a vineyard behind me. My dad's about to be in town for my fortieth so he would love that. He really he relates to you, Mike.

Yeah, I think he'll be jealous. Yeah, yeah, he'll be like, oh, Bordeaux, that's for the best. Yeah, grapes are yeah, yeah, it's exactly. I'm so jealous of those grapes. Yeah, right off, you can eat him right off the vine and you get drunk. Oh, he's gonna be jealous. He's gonna be so jealousy. That's also where the all the best baseball cards coming from is based there. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna go to their satellite and and pick up some

Yogi barras alongside of our Chateau Fisioc. The best Kirby puckets come from there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, everybody, thank you for joining for episode seventy two. I will see everybody in a couple episodes, but Dan and Mary, you'll be back on the next one in a couple of weeks. It's true. I'll listen to see if I'll listen to see if Mike or Mitch rather is is nicer to me this time being best friends with me. He's very cool, he's pretty good. He's pretty cool.

Alright, well, i'll see YouTube later. We'll see everybody else in a couple of weeks. Bye, bye, bye,