Fire Escape Cast #48

Greetings, Hi, everyone, Welcome back to the Firescape cast. It's episode forty eight seat. I always do new stuff. Yeah, you know what the constant is though, what's that? Mike? You never like it, especially the baby stuff. I'm laying off the infant. Agree, I'll take the weird greetings over the baby stuff ten times out of ten. What was that? What would you call that? Was that some kind of like um hobbit, you know, dwelling? I agreeting. I don't know. I've

been watching. We talked about it last time. I'm showing a man of Deadwood for the first time, and that's some of those episodes are pretty poetic and old timey and yeah's set in I like when they say fuck. I think there's a few episodes where they're at whiskey. Yeah. Yeah, there's a few where they do that. There's a few where they do that. Ye, spoilers or Deadwood skip ahead to like an hour from now, because that shows good. We're watching it. I forgot how brutal the fight between

Dan and the captain is. When he gouges his eye out. That one's awesome. There's when they do byo. It's not a root and toot and shoot him up Western but like when they do violence, oh man, or the first season where it's like, man, this power's booth, what a cool guy, and then there's this one episode was like oh no no no, no, no no no, yeah, and then the rest of the

show he's just a low East loco. And then um, the first fight or the fight fight between Bullock and swear Engine before they become like these freenemies. Yeah, shows show violent violence is always lurking and then it out of comes out of nowhere and it's just like, you don't know where the last twenty minutes went really good. I have like a personal stressor about I violence. I don't know why, Like there's something about this show. I there's

a very old mission impossible. Maybe you will already know what you're talking of. Think ye. I was a child and I saw that, and I remember my dad being like, you're gonna love this. They are like solving, you know, they're like stealing stuff and they're like little spies. It's pretty cool. And I was like, Okay, I'm excited. And I see it and there's a guy I think he's like on an elevator. This is all based on my whatever nine year old enemy make memory, Yes,

Melia asked, I have no memory of who it was. He's on an elevator and then the elevator doesn't do what it's supposed to, and it's shooting up really quickly, which your instinct is gonna be skys can get squished, you know, He's gonna get squished in the wall. And what happens is is he looks up and right as he looks up, something pokes him in

the eyes. It's like a metal thing hanging down from the ceiling. It's like a weird like you totally would expect him to just get squished, but it's like, no, what if this fucking thing went right into your eyeballs? And then it stops. It doesn't squish him. It only squishes his eyes, which is somehow worse. Yeah, the movie if he lives, so he probably died, but I love the concept of like did he die though, that's why through his brain you can live without your eyes. That's

an event horizon like, oh god. Yeah, So the Dead Space remake, they had a lot of contenting well so yeah, so that's what I was gonna say that the Dead Space remake, the Motive version which is very good. They have all those content warnings and the you can skip specific if you're coming up on certain scenes, they can tell you, like give you a content warning to say, do you want to blur out a lot of this? It's the old call of duty approach. I'm imagining thea f to

get your eyeballs fucking stabbed out? Well, yeah, it's like if well, if Motive keeps making remakes, the content warning for that scene, and two will have to be like, hey, this is probably the worst eye thing in any video game ever. Do you want to just skip this? And I imagine a lot of people would. It's definitely the worst eye thing in a video because you're controlling a minigame. It's like when you got to

War three, remember the when he kills Zeus. It's like you're seeing through Zeus's eyes and you have like L three in R three to like Game of Thrones, Crados's fingers through like the camera's eyes and it just turns red. It's fucking weird. Yeah, yeah, that's how they ended the trilogy. Was coging was Cory Barlet was two? Yeah? It was Stig. Sorry, sorry, blame eye gouging on anyone that was that was that was Cliff Blazinski. Wasn't it to tiny train chainsaws go eat through each of your eyes?

Yeah? I don't think that if I was like in a life or death scrap, you know, like if I if someone was trying to kill me, I probably would just try to take someone's eyes out, I think, right, Wouldn't that be the most growing in the head? Yeah? Common tactic of like ladies to know, I mean, you know, our like m o essentially is you know, I might go down, but I'm taking at least one of your balls, be it eye or the other one.

Yeah, I think I think that's how I would fight it. Eyes and balls is exactly what I would go for because I don't have drawballs eyes or balls as eyeballs and ball balls Okay, yeah, okay, see so you just go grabs. Yeah, there're other like balls like straight like because eyeballs and ball balls are straight up ball shape. Are there other just like spheres in the human body? Head? Head? It's kind of I don't know if I would consider that a ball. What looks like a nard isn't

like a perfect sphere. You know, the nard is circular. If you were to draw lumpy. If I were to drop balls, it would look like cherries, like stems are the veins. Yeah yeah, but like I wouldn't dry my head. It's gotten away from me like a giant ball. Anyway. The point is escape advocate always advocating eye violence, which is fucking downflow. Dude, they're slipping, fucking slipping. Anyone who's been with no, this is far from the core. Yeah, it's like they've really changed.

Yeah. I don't think there are other spheres in my body except for that bullet that I don't got out. I have a couple inside, but you guys can't see them. My ovaries ovaries a ball. I figure. I've always seen the diagrams and it's always like a it looks like a bullhead or something. Right, well, that's a part of it. What is that part? Is that like the rectum and everything too? Or what? No, no, no, no, no, no, it's different.

It's just a big victum. There's the bullhead thing then, and that's thought that the bullhead was over fallopian tubes connecting the ovaries. If if I'm ovaries straight up organs or they just like eg holders um there they can be Yeah, it just containers or did they serve a purpose other than just like here's where we'll keep the eggs. Yeah, it's where they they cook them a

little bit and then they drop down when they're needed. Um. I think the bullhead you're referring to, it's probably like the uterus, Like the general holding cell where we keep the uterus encompasses the whole operation. Right, No, No, I mean like it's got you know, I don't want to get filthy here, but the all the parts of that, I don't know. You called it a giant rectum about like forty five seconds ago. That was medical. This is there's the there's the uterus, which you can get

a uterus move and you still have other stuff. That's what a history asked me. This is the vagina part of a uterus. A uterus is part of the vagina? Is it vagina? The whole bullhead situation, Well, you can't make it. No, they're not. They're connected, but they're not one unit or individual terms. Is what you're talking about? Where do you uterus? And then follow up question does it actually exist? Brom Okay, I'm a tertiary question. What is the question? You spot bullshit?

Can't where the last I heard someone say, g spot, they agree with me, it doesn't have this up. I can't wait to be like this show up on the Joe Rogan podcast. Yeah, doctor, I'm sure I heard that it didn't exist. Yeah, are you chinking apple slices but light cider? I am shelter. Yeah, so I'm switching over to wine after I finished this, I started with the light shelter. Okay, what differentiates apple slices from apple? It's like different, It's it's the peach, mango

apple. And then they got like the green apple stuff. Grannie Smith's Yeah. Cool, Over to high note malbec from the Uko Valley, Mendoza, Argentina, because I know you said Argentina and reds are good. They are good. That's good that you know that, Dan. That's where the final Hitman locations set Mendoza. Take. Isn't that a winery? It's the winery level? Yeah, woman in the flash, so much cool shit in that

level. You can um oh damn in that one. What I like to do is I like to put a bomb or like a gas bomb in a suitcase and then leave a suitcase like in front a bunch bunch of people, like having fancy wine and then you like release the fart bomb in the suitcase. Oh good, yeah, save it because I've been playing a lot of yeah yeah, we vas yeah, we haven't. We haven't gotten off that. Fourth question, do do do women actually have orgasms? Is it possible?

Doctors? We can't prove anything here. Fifth question? What what? What is a resource I could read to video videos? Is there an encyclopedia of some sort? I used to do the encyclopedia thing when I was like horny and in sixth grade and I was too afraid to have This is before I was storing my porn at my game boy camera. I used to ride my bike to the library and they would have like the National geographics or like

art books where it's like just pictures. Like sometimes you'd get like like I would just grab a book that set art on it somewhere, and I would just flip through it, hoping like, well, I hope they did some of that, like naked art where it's just like, oh, lady got painted or something, you know, and sometimes you'd get lucky. But you can't just sit there and whack off in the library. You're just not allowed in grease because they don't want you near the statues and the parth and on.

Honestly, the statutes probably would have done it for me when I was twelve, you know, just any just semblance of a nipple. Yeah, but you gotta hold onto it like you can't. You gotta like retain the memory and then be like I have to go the way penetrable. Yes, absolutely, Yeah, I still several well known celebrities in there. Yeah, oh my god, some I haven't thought about in years. But the slightest thing. Oh, actually, speaking of random things reminding me of something,

I had this weird question. I meant to ask you guys, because it's something I've been doing my whole life, and now I'm curious whether other people do it. Obviously, random smells and sights and just activities musclemery can trigger memories. Do you guys have a thing where this really specific and in no way related to the person thing reminds you of someone? So for instance, and it's I realize this is weird. So now that I say it out

loud, I realized this is going to sound bananas. But every time I'm brushing my tongue after brushing my teeth, I think of this one specific girl from elementary school, and there's no reason other than she popped into my head the first time I was brushing my tongue when I was in elementary school, and then the next time I did it, I was like, oh,

that was weird how I thought about I'm Alyssa. It's not her name, but I was like every subsequent time I've done it up until now, and I'm thirty one, I still think of this Alyssa when I brush my tongue. Weird. I think memory is can like weirdly attach things to things like

I have. It's a similar thing where it's if I'm listening to a song or like, let's say I'm listening to what's a family Bohemian Rhapsody, and last time I heard it when they were doing the Galileo Galileo, if I was passing a certain red light or something, yeah, like weeks later, I can pass that red light and remember like, oh, yeah, I'm here when Bohemian Rhapsody was playing, But like that happened to me totally unneworthy. It's just like why do I remember that, Like, oh, this

part of the song. Or if let's say I go grocery shopping or something. If I park and I a song got to a certain point, I'd say, oh, h're it's about to kick in. In November rain and I go grocery shop for thirty minutes and I come back in. As I'm walking back out to the car, my head, I'll start hearing the song like where it left off. You know what I mean. That's wild, it's weird. Yeah, yeah, it's it's such inane stuff. There's another.

There's another one. There's a specific workout at the gym, which, again nothing about it should remind me of this person, and he's a colleague. But for the less like seven years, I think maybe that day I had read a tweet of his or something, and then the tweet pop act

in my mind while I was doing this workout. Every single time I use that machine at this gym that I've been using for four years now, not seven years, four years, because it's the gym I still use, I think of that person, and in no way should he be related to that machine, but he is in my head. It's the weirdest, like synaps firing at the same time. I just thought of an extremely weird one that I thought of like two days ago. So you do do it, you

know what I'm talking about. Yeah, this is real weird though this is very different. It's when I'm peeing when I'm standing and peeing when I'm looking at the Okay. So when I was a little kid, I remember renting Chippendale's Rescue Rangers for the NES and I was at my grandma's house, and I remember when I went and peed, and I'd been trying to beat the last boss fight, which is a fat Cat from Chippendale and he's got a cigar and he taps it and like the ashes fall and you have to avoid

the ashes and you gotta throw these red balls up. Anyway, it's the last boss fight as fat Cat. And as I was peeing, I remember thinking, like, you know, when you pee, bubbles form where you pee. I remember thinking like, oh, I wonder if I could like aim might pee and cover you know the whole, like the cover the water, the surface of the water, and nef towards all bubbles. And I remember thinking of it. It's like, oh, it's like a boss fight.

It's like I'm fighting Fat Cat. And so like two days ago, I was peeing standing up, and I was like filling the bowl with bubbles, and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm about to beat fat Cat. And I'm like thirty eight and I'm thinking about beating fat Cat while I pee. Yeah, stuff like that happens with me more often, thoughts. I'm just soaking these in. Who do you think about when you poop her name? I can't think of anything really super weird. I have like

really normal ones. Um my an old ex even like all the way from high school. I used to wear a very specific um blue, a cologne called blue, And if I smell someone in the you know, in the supermarket who's wearing it, I will immediately think of him and be like, I wonder what he's up to, Like, yeah, but that is kind nected to him. Um yeah. Same thing with baby powder my grandma.

I immediately think of my grandma and she's passed on, so like I will as soon as I like small baby powder, I'll be like, oh my grandma, Like she was so cool, she loved baby pattish, she always wants like baby patters. The stuff that weirds me out is the stuff that has no connection to them. They just doesn't deserve a connection. Yeah, Like there's no reason this and again Elyssa is not her name, but like, there's no reason this a Lissa girl should have been connected to when I

was brushing my teeth. But still to this day, I just didn't last her. It's not now it's less. It's reminding me. And now maybe she was really toothy. Maybe she was like, I'm sure there is a connection, you just don't know, like you have like human connect tongue. Maybe that's it. Maybe every time she saw you, she just had like full set of pearly is looking at you, and she's just constantly rubbing her tongue over her teeth like that in a gross way, And now you just

associate teeth with her. She died of gang green last year. I'm pretty sure she's alive and well, she just got married. Fear tongue be the weirdest visible part of your body to be like cart two initially huge, I guess like one eye was like you know, dinner plate size, that'd be fucked up. I think the tongue could be cool, depending on how it is. It is so big that it's just like this weird can in your mouth, that sounds awful, But if it's one where you can like unroll

it like a fruit roll up. I would like that. I think I would actually enjoy. Yeah. There's a Simpsons episode m in like you know, what are their horror episodes where every time a Homer touches the toaster, it takes him back in time and then if he changes something, the butterfly effect happens, and like everything in his future gets fucked up. And he does that and everything in the life is completely normal, and then as they eat their food, their tongues come out and eat the eggs and he's like

close enough. It's just like at that point you might as well, you might as well be home. Jane Simmons has a really big tongue, but there's nothing cool about him. So I'm trying to think of, like, who is it that forked ther tongue? A bunch of a lot of weirdos. Yeah, a lot of people change their body. Um, they put the little horns in their head and stuff. Did you guys like that?

Anime My hero Academia, there's great the frog character frog Froggy. Yeah, she has a frog tongue and she uses it and she can like stick. Yeah. Yeah, she's great. That's her power. Yeah yeah, pretty much, Like, Yeah, she can stick to walls. Her tongue is really sticky and strong, so she could like wrap a bad guy in her tongue and keep him contained. Um, And then I think she can like travel with it, right, Like she can like use her tongue and then

use it as a what would you call that? Like a like probably yeah, like she can. She can. She can travel via tongue. Not as useful as the guy on that show whose head just has sticky grapes and he's horny all the time. That's the worst character I've ever seen. I love how Mike doesn't know what we're talking about because it's so funny to describe this character. He's very small, and he's very strange, and he's covered in purple balls like giant grapes, like he's one handle of grapes, yes,

and he takes them off and they stick to people. So if I took like ten off, I will probably like completely contain Dan and stick him to the ground. But the more he removes, the sicker he gets. So he can't remove all of his balls because he'll get too sick. And on top of all of that, his character is extraordinarily horny. He's the horniest character I've ever seen, like more than like he just wants to yeah, like looking through holes when like girls are bathing on the other side.

Yeah, he's a total he's a total perv. He's a he's a sex pest, and he's covered in balls. I don't want to watch this anymore. It's a weird shown other other weird like non Powers. There's so many weird quirks in that show. If you're interested in, like what would it be like to have a superpower where like tape comes out of your wrists? Uh, and that's it, you know, like you can like manufacture sweets

on command, like a bunch of more. Just like here's the fire and nice guy, and here's the guy who can do a really strong pun. It's the guy who I don't know Like, Okay, okay, yeah that sounds that sounds cool. I just don't like the purple ball thing. I don't like this. I mean, he's nobody likes him. He's not a

he's not an enjoyable character. There's a cool person who has um Jack's in their ears and they can like jack in and control audio waves when they're like plus like the toy the metal jacks with the bell that would have sucked to having your ears? I know? Yeah? Would you rather your ears were made of ye? Would you rather your ears were made instead of ears? You had just two extra beards? Or wouldn't just connect to my existing one? No, they're separate and you can't have a beard. You have to

be clean shave. You can only have earbeards exclusively earbeards. No, would you rather your ears just peach fuzz everywhere? Else? Do they have to be long? Would you rather your ears be He's changing its too? Would you rather your ears be many bookshelves with only Bill Cosby memoirs on them? Or or or we switch out your balls with your eyeballs? Oh no, that's your balls are where your eyes are, and your eyes eyes are where

your balls are. Earbookshelves. Everyone would see and have questions. The eyeballs would just be uh, just me knowing the horrors and my wife, which is neither of us want that. What do they see? Are they functional? Can I see out of my eyeballs? So you need to like have them like secretly peep out of your pants if you want to be able to see what's where your eyes are my eyes to be all like vision all fuck that where I'm seeing out both the same time. So I would put a

sleep mask over my testicle eyes. Yeah, what's in his eye sockets? My real eyes? No, they swapped balls and eyes swapped testicles in my eyes. You have text testicles in your eye sockets? Is the tubing still attached down there? Like? Is that where all the stuff comes out? Yes, they have fingered out how to do that, but it works. I don't want to get into it, but it's all a fun it would

come out of. Nobody would look at you and be like, you have ball sacks for eyes, But I would think, like draw eye holes on it, like Jeff Hardy, look like I have eyes, imagine like normal eye sockets and lids that blink. But under it is just like the wrinkled skin and love Dan. I would have to drop eyes on it, flesh,

and that's gonna freak everyone out. I can't. I don't. I really don't like the idea that you're just like normal eye skin is as taught and normal as it usually is, and then there's just wrinkled, sort of permanent markered, wrinkly eyeballs. That's actual balls. You have to shave your You have to shave your eye scrolls curly hairs coming out of my eyeball and you can never fully blink because there's hairs. And when it gets cold,

my eyes get smaller. I think I'll take the bookshelves. You guys already tell people I like, will cause me as it is. But where how would I hear? Oh? I don't know. It makes your out of your balls. I hear out of oh no, no no. And then in my apartment where I usually would have bookshelves are just giant versions of my ears, and that where you're here, So you're just hearing your catching apartment or like next door. If you want to have a conversation, you have

to tell someone the directions to your apartment. And talking to your bookshelves. Well, you have walkie talkie in your apartment and you carry one around with you, and so when someone talks to you, you say talking to the walkie talkie, and then you can hear it through your walkie talkie. It's like the Halloween Simpsons episode when Homer got the transporter from the fly and put one next to his toilet and he could pee into the transporter. And it

would go into the toilet. I have to have a I have to have like a housekeeper scoop out that your wax with kayak paddles grows fire hoses, just to irrogate him. But yeah, every time I brush my tongue seriously think about Alyssa. I think her name is actually Alyssa, And I think you actually it's name after you said it. Okay, Okay, I do know many Lyssas, though, so I guess it might as well be Alyssa. I got to say, how many Cosby books are there? Would you

have a full shot? I hope not many. I was just I just want you guys to know what it's like for He's got them all on his kindle for quick access. It's hard to visualize how many there are. Yeah, I don't know why I said that about all the collector's editions that Mike owns from the album. He has all the vinyls and the cassattes. Are they like this, like they're just like the size of a thumb and so like when you take them out you have to use like a little magnifying glass

to read them. Yeah, he's kind of memorized at this point. Are they signed additions, tiny little signatures, tiny cosbies, tiny department. I guess I asked for this. I don't. Okay, instead of instead of rug, would you rather instead of rugs you just have human backskin across your floor or and then okay, that's one or um instead of in. Every time you swallow any liquid you uh you uh your hand or ready to go your hands, your hands becomes mop heads, but only when you drink liquids.

So anytime you want to, like if you're drinking wine right now, like just the just violence in your mouth, swallow. Yeah, that's funny, that's cool, that's I'm up for that. But you probably dropped. I would drop the glass every time. Yeah, see, I thought this out. Is the is the backskin rug? Is that from an like a corpse? Or was that just growing in the lab and it's not attached to any like murders or anything. Yeah? Yeah, it depends on what you

pay. It's just like a like some rugs are like fifty bucks. Sometimes I would pay a lot and I would just have you could pay roast skinhouse with no soles, and I would be like these were lab grown. No one was hurt. In fact, it's better for the environment because I did not use trees and I will be praised for it. Oh yeah, because you don't have blood rugs. Yeah, there's no violence across the pond. Do people still do bearskin rugs? Yeah, in like lodges and hunting lodges.

Yeah, it's not cool, but like, yeah, it's it's very common for people to still kill animals, skin them and sport them for like coats and coats and stuff, rugs and stuff like that. Yeah, why don't you hear about it? Has it gone down a lot? Because I remember, like in the nineties, you'd always hear about like protests at further things and people thrown blood on Still very popular, Unfortunately, it's just not in our circles. Like I don't think you're hanging out with a bunch of

mink coat motherfucker. But I would hear about it. You'd hear you'd see it parodied on shows or Mad magazine or whatever, and like I don't ever hear about fur coats anymore. Um, they're still very popular. I think they're just for elite, you know, yuppies. I just throw blood on anybody, fashion designers. It is still popular. So, like I feel like it was just a couple of years ago. Like Pete is always doing their little like I'd rather be naked than wear fur. It's still very popular.

It's not great. You know what I was learning the other day, you know, silk um. I was always under the impression that a bunch of silkworms made like a little web and then like a dude came in and like took it and that's how we got silk. Yeah, something like do you know how silk is made? I don't think I want to because silkworms. Silkworms make silk. Yeah, but I thought there's also a tree involved in the process somehow. Well, they need to be a big thing where

you ruin figs for me, like I can't do they squish them. They squished the worms to get the silk. Yeah, weird worm shit. Yeah. Oh, maybe they're eating something that becomes silk inside them. Yeah, they're eating like leaves and stuff from trees and that creates silk and then they squish them. Should up? Should want? I want you to educate yourself. I don't want to know. Okay, I'm gonna look it up while you guys talk about something else. Would rather this this is your gimmick,

We don't get confringe. Would you rather your beard be made out of silkworms? Oh? Yeah, they're alive. Oh god, I think they like boiled something. Yeah, they do. The first the first thing that came up is how is silk made comma? And is it vegan? It is not. Silk fibers are produced by silkworms when they spin themselves into a cocoon on their journey becoming a silk moth. These ultrasoft fibers are from the cocoon in their state by being being boiled in hot water, still containing the silkworms

inside, and stirred until the cocoons unravel. So they catch them right when they're about to become a beautiful moth and they boil them. Can they boil them? There's got to be a better way. No, that's the they do it. I always thought I thought it would be like sheep, you know, like they like sheep, get all like heavy with wool, and then they shear them in the in the sheep are kind of like, oh

this is great, I can see again. I kind of was hoping that's what they did with the silkworms, where they were like I'm all cocooned and then they're like, let me help you, bro, and there now I have a silk top and everybody stoked. H I don't I care to not know more about these worms? Yeah? I want to. I do want to sleep in like silk sheets at some point, lock me up. No, I just I've never had so I had silk. I've never eaten it. Debitely had silk. I don't think eating silk is a common thing.

I don't think that's a cultural thing. Yeah, I don't think so either. A lot of stuff I do is not cultural, culturally accepted, like skin rugs. You want your whole house to be skin are your keyboard like keys on your keyboard? Nipples advertising this week on the pot you're growing well. I only agreed to skin floors. We never discussed nipple keys. That'd be that'd be really funny though. Instead of keys on your keyboard, you're

just PLoP and some big nipples. I think you're I think somehow we went full circle and now we're going back into things that are going into your spank bank. Yeah, I've been. I've been building them my SB the whole episode. Dan's one who brought up spheares and got me horne here. No, you can't say spears around him? What about is that a rhombus over there? Oh? Wow? Anything? He brought up quotients and angles, co signs, tangents. What were the sign co sign and tangent? Those

were therese triangle terms? No? Those were those are like parab wave, grap parabola stuff. I kind of like the calculate, like the eighty three calculator stuff like that. Sous cool. It's a calculus or one. I never took calculus. I what that would have been? No, A couple of algebra, trigonometry, I got him. I don't. I've lost all the math skills. I fell off math in like eight or ninth grade.

I was really good any kind of like mental math type stuff. But once you started get a little more abstract, once they wanted you to to determine how fast a train is moving. That I could that's a logic puzzle. I love logic puzzles. It's it's more just the like I can't even fathom what scenario Like I could fathom the train thing. I oh, one leaves Boston at this time, one loves Denver at this time Like that, I

can understand like that's a very real world application. But once it was just like, yeah, it's signs and co signs, Like I'm sure certain professions need to know that, but like, I don't think I'm going into this field. Yeah, I think that happens with a lot of people. In math. I remember going out of my way to take calcul in high school and being told I could use it for like college credit, and that was

brilliant to me because I was like, this is it. I'm not going further with my math education, so if I can just do this, I don't have to think about math no more. That was like such a victory lap for me to be able to do, whereas like what I think they were trying to do was instill in me that I could do math, you know, for a living maybe right like, oh, you're already getting college credits, so now you'll be able to excel in college and take more complicated

math. And I was like, you fools, I'm going to go for video production and now I don't have to take any math for four years. I can get a college diploma and never think about it. That's the beautiful thing about school is that it's not infinite. Like there's a certain point even if you go to college where it's like you get that one piece of paper, a magic piece of paper, and you're like, I don't have to learn anything ever again, this is amazing, dilma. I have to learn

no more. That's what I thought. It was like that was just fucking video games and trying to find a way to make money off. That's fucking it the rest of my life. This explains a lot of no more learning. I don't need that. I don't have to read it. I don't have to think about it. I'm not learning. I already finished school. It really did. At a certain point I realized that, like I didn't

even know that was another option. I assumed everyone was just like this is something you have to do and everyone hates it and no one likes I remember like, once I graduated, somebody asking like, oh, if you could go back right now and it was free and you can take any you can study anything, what would it be. I told myself, like, well, okay, film was really easy, so what's like the second easiest. I forget who I was talking, like, No, you can pick anything

and learn. You can you can become a doctor, you can the idea of like I didn't think anybody. I thought everyone was like me and just was trying to get through it to get a job, and then like people are like, no, you get to learn stuff like what sad um.

I will say I was very money motivated when I was younger, because I did not want to be in debt, and so I was very adamant for whatever reason at the time that I picked a major that I knew I could complete in four years, right, and so I was heavily motivated out I loved video production. I think I'm one of very few people I know that figured out what I wanted to do at about sixteen. When I was sixteen, I took a video production class in high school and I fell in love

with editing. I just thought it was so awesome, and I was I was editing in my free time when it wasn't school related. I just enjoyed it. So I went to school for it. But I remember thinking to myself, if that's if this is one of these uh you know, programs or like majors where you're end up being here five years, I would I would have not done it, really, because I was committed to only spending the amount that I needed to to get my ass through school so that I

could have less debt. Right, Like, I was very motivated about money back then. Still ye, really money motivated. But the important thing to me always was that, like, Okay, there has to be a line where it's like you can make money but also enjoy your job. Like I had friends that went into like super soulless like finance jobs and stuff like that and never seemed happy about it, no matter how what's money they made. So I was always like, how do I make money but also have fun

and be passionate what I'm doing? And thank god it worked out because like, I don't know what the fuck I would do otherwise. But I took five and a half years on a fucking film studies major, so I was kind of the oppotunity with that. But it's cool. We both went for like some form of video entertainment. I just happened too. I was not

passionate live at the time. I was so happened to find a course that was live, like how to go live to the Internet and like make a show for live television, And I took that course, which I actually think ended up preparing me wildly for what I ended up doing for a living, and I just didn't know it at the time. And I liked that too. We did fake fake news right where we were like, we have to

go live at five pm for the news news broadcast journalism skills. For a while, we're kind of useless up until twitch and everything became a thing. Now the skills have come back full circle and they're super useful for live streaming and whatnot. Yeah, Mary, I was similar in that, like I fell in love with editing, you know, pretty early, like junior high

school, like making comedy sketches and stuff like that. And so I've talked before about like in college, what I actually learned was making my TV show on the side. But then I didn't have any like live experience until I graduated. My first job was at a local TV sports station, and at the time I was like, I'm getting nineteen thousand dollars a year. I can barely pay rent and I don't give a shit about sports. What the

fuck am I doing here making live sports TV? But at the same time, it's like, well, shit, all that the live pressure and everything, and just that you know that daily like you gotta put out the show type thing, like I think I was learning a ton even if I hated it and wasn't getting paid. Does a very coveted job. I know a lot of people who graduate or try super hard to get into sports television.

And it's funny because I felt the same way, which was like if I had an opportunity to like interview someone for sports, I was like, damn it, I don't want to do this. It's just like one of the most popular, coveted like a lot of people would love that opportunity. And I was like, yeah, it's just like like miking up like Arena Football League coaches and stuff like this isn't what I want to do. What's your strap for tonight? Is it to score? Yes? Are you gonna get

it done tonight? How's your d bud? Anyway? Get out there? Like a show would be live and I would have to be like in the editing bay because I'd be like cutting highlights for that night's broadcast at ten, so it would be like eight o'clock basketball game or something's live, and they would tell me like, yeah, just cut the highlights. And I don't watch sports and don't go with the highlights. It's like, okay, right, that's why somebody was throwing autogs an audience. Dan, we don't want

this. Stop stop me right now if you've heard this before. But the thing about the sound effects when I was live with the KU basketball highlights, does this ring a bell at all? Yeah? Okay, faintly stop me if you've heard this, But this is this is my favorite story from when I worked in live sports is I was running the audio board. I kind of did every I did. Chiron Graphics, had a teleprompter, I did editing and all this ship. But I also did a lot of audio.

So like live during the broadcast, i'd be back there with the faders. You gonna bring up the music, bring up Mike, bring down the mics, bring up the break music, all that shit. And one of my first days, this guy told me they're like, okay, so for basketball highlights, play track seventeen. So when we're doing KU Basketball Highlights, play track seventeen. So they get there, I write down everything. I got my cheat sheet and everything, and I get to the basketball highlights. We're

live on the air, going out to Kempas City. Track seventeen. Play the guy who started talking to like all right ku versus Massoo tonight, and then you just start hearing the wild horse neighing with no music again, just like there's basketball highlights and like on loop and I'm freaking the fuck out and

it's so loud and aggressive that the host stopped doing the read. And at the time, I think there was a horse named Barbaro who had just died, and one of the host goes like, I think I think we're the audio guys. You're doing some sort of salute to Barbaro right now. There was a kids show they did in the morning out of that studio, like a kids sports thing, and they still had the Barnyard Animals sound effects CD

in. They didn't tell me that I had to switch to the fucking like adult sports city, So I just played horse Nay number two or whatever on repeat. Did you finally figure it out? Yeah? I think I just brought it down and just like there was no music, bring it down. You just put that fader all the way down until there were enough names before I realized what was going on in the background. There's no way this is

like archived anywhere, right. I recorded it on my DVR back then because I remember I went home and I recorded the replay of it in late night, and I don't think I never got about my DVR. But it was great. I don't think i've heard that before. Oh yeah, I was shitting my pants back because you did that. You said you did the teleprompter a bit and that gave you pretty bad anxiety, right, Yeah, it

was just so weird. It was that idea of like, you know, at this point, I don't think my anxiety was like fully really managed yet, and I didn't I have a great grasp on it, but it was that idea of like it was the simplest fucking thing. It was you just take your hand on a knob and as the host is reading, you just slightly turn it. I mean, look, I grew up playing video games. The idea of just like following along with a pace with a knob is

not a crazy thing to think about. But it was that pressure of just like, holy shit, if I go a little too fast or something like that, anchor's gonna fuck up. And it was it wasn't even live the one I had. I had a full scale panic attack that our host at the time did a segment at the end called eat this That was the name

of the segment. At the end. It was kind of like his moment of Zin where it's like David Stewart's gonna come in with the like, hey kay, you gotta get your shit together, Bill so blah blah blah, and he would have it's my opinion piece for ninety seconds and he kept sucking up halfway through, and as it kept happening, I kept getting more up in my head about like I'm gonna fuck this up and he's gonna get mad at me, and I just had a full scale panic attack and all I

had to do was just slightly moving out. He was the one fucking up, and he was fine like ye For the longest time, when they were looking for someone to do teleprompters, since anyone could do it, I would time it out, or it's like I'm gonna go pretend to take a shit, you know, like I know it's it's this time and they're gonna record eat this before we go live or whatever. I just sit in the bathroom

until I heard Charlie or whatever like hey, I'll do prompter. It was a weird anxiety you went to. Yeah, there was a lot of just pretending to shit in my life. Same. Yeah, you've talked about go to I mean I would do it, but not because of anxiety. I would do it because I hated my cleaning job, and I would be like, I knew, hey, you cover me for a second, I'm gonna

go. No, I would just not come back for fifteen minutes because I don't know anybody nothing when I'm doing a late night you know, cleaning shift at fucking Hollister. Yeah, I don't know how much iPhone three g Pegel. I played how many hours when I was working the call center at Garment, you know, just sitting on the toilet plane Pegel played doodle Jump on my iPhone. Yeah, judom Jump, that wasn't bad. Yeah, I was looking on with the bird where you push the button in the bird flies

angry Birds. That's the sling shot. No, no, you're talking about tiny wings, Tiny wings. Yeah, that was a good. Yeah. Era of iPhone games, like early iPhone app store games and stuff like, I feel like so much of that has just lost the time, you know where it's like they didn't make enough money to like, Oh, I'm sure you could download Angry Birds right now. That got big enough but like tiny wings, doodle Jump, like although I think I went to a daven Busters

and saw like a doodle Jump arcade machine. Some of those like transcended iPhone success. Yeah, they got converted into cabinets. Yeah, yeah, I would play that. I used to play doodle Jump on the way to lacrosse games on the bus. It was fun. You know, get jack get hyped up on doodle Jump. It was so novel that you can choose a spear. There's a beer app where it would look like make your phone screen look like a glass of beer. Yeah, it would make it look like

we're drinking it. I don't know ask early apps. Yeah, that's like kind of made a comeback a couple of years, or like on TikTok last year that made a comeback. Like the novelty of that, Yeah, and that someone would burp it'd be funny. Yeah, I thought it was funny, those like early games on your phone. It's crazy to think how far it's come because I would only have a very early on not even a flip

phone. Just like one of those. It kind of looked like a rock something you'd like really beat someone over the head with, and it had Tetris on it and man, a lot of fake, fake, off brand Tetris. It was, oh I think it was off brand, but it was the game like it was the all the bells and whistles, had all the shapes, had the right shapes. It wasn't just like weird. No, they didn't like have a bunch of like dodecahedrons in there. Yeah, here

he goes. Got me what you can't just throw up porn games on the app store? My goodness, no decahedrons. I mean you can't. If anything can be born. But speaking of Tetris, do you guys want to talk about video games? Yeah? Yeah, I'm getting good. I'm getting

pretty good. Okay, weird thing. We just about take that break, and Mary thought I had left the room and in my headphones to the desk while I was petting my cat, Like, if you're watching the video version literally right there, in fact, you probably could have seen my butt. If Jake breaks now, you'll see it. I hear Mary go, I'm ignoring you. And then I was like, are you talking to me? And she's like, I didn't know you were there. This is my time.

She's talking to her stomach. That was growling I'm talking to my bladder, because I was like, I kind of have to pee, but I don't want to. So I would have assume you were talking to see Moon, you know, like, oh, I'm ignoring you right now, but you're I would have been a better excuse than what I ended up saying, which was get out of here. While I talked to myself away talking, I'm under who could it be? I said, heyst the hitious cat you

have. We don't usually talk about news on the show hard hitting journalism. Here Nintendo Direct dropped a fat news ducee on us last week, right off the press five days ago. Here we are hot off the press and into the pooper. This chest announced and also like surprise, released a shit ton of stuff, good stuff. Yeah, finally, Professor Layton happened. That's comin. Yeah, Layton's great. I love Professor Layton. Probably one of the very first games I ever played on the DS. Yeah, Yeah,

I happened around looking for coins think the corners. Yeah, I mean after the Sega, the travel segau. Yeah. I didn't have a portable game device for a very long time until the DS, and Layton was my jam. One of the best on there. DS just had a crazy library, did game Yeah, I got the game gear adapter for the Pocket Analog, I do too. I got the pocket and like bug Yeah, yeah, gotta get that open fpgames play it all off a SD card. Yeah, I have that too, But I came with the yeah game here thingum.

But then also yeah, they just also said, hey, available on the cheer Nintendo Switch Online, you get the game Boy and Gameway Color games. But then if you have the Plus Expansion Pack version of that subscription, you also get a bunch of Gameway Advanced games. Yeah. I downloaded them all right before the episode started. Actually, there's a bunch. I wanted to organize my tears by importance, and you bet your ass Warrior wors right up

there. Polygon has a very useful all of them. Amigo would be up there for you. No, I'm talking about the Osama is great. I'm talking about the stuff on the light Switch Online, like the old stuff. Yeah, what about Polygon, Mike, Um, Yeah, I'm just reading

our list. The Tetris, Super Mario Land two, six Gold Coins, Links, Awakening, DX, Gargles, Quest Game, and Watch Gallery three Alone in the Dark, The New Nightmare Metroid two, Return of Sammas Wireland three, Kirby's dream Land, and then Gameway Advance which comes with Expansion Pass, Super Mario Advance four, Super Mario Bros. Three, Warrior Ware Inc. Mega Microgames, Curu Curu Crew, Mario Kart, Super Circus Circuit, Mario Luigi Superstar Saga, and the Minish Cap, which is the best game

on game Boy Advance. No Drill Dozer minute wait, best game on Advance. I'm trying to think because I actually I played through Minish Cap and its entirety like last year and it's fucking great still and super underrated. Yeah. Game Boy Advanced Library, Um yeah, Mario Luigi games are great. Final Fantasy Taxics Advance is great. Fire had a good fire emblem. Um. Oh yeah, the Fire emblem and Advanced Warriors. That was kind of a heyday there, war Warrior. Where's mine? I think? Well, so

there is the Castlevania's Circle the Moon. I don't ruin think that's not listed right now? No, no, we're talking best g oh right right right, Yeah, those are good. I like Drill Dooz are a lot um it's awesome. Yeah, it's funny because they release Metroid Prime remaster or so the Kirby's Dreamland from game Boy uh game Boy Color, no game Boy, I don't I don't remember my point being returned to Kirby's Return to Dreamland is about to come out soon. And then also they got the new Zelda.

Like all these games they put on here seems sort of methodical advance wars, oh yeah, and they teased ones that are coming up, but like, yeah, you're right, like there's a new Kurby coming out timely Zelda.

Yeah yeah, but Minute Cap super fucking underrated. And then like Cou Cou Karan that's like one of the main ones I've been playing in my analog pocket, Which that's what's so fucking dumb, is I love my analog pocket and I play it like that's my go on the go game console for sure, And so I don't even know why I'm getting excited about this or it's like, oh my god, I can finally play Warrior where on the go on like the nineteenth device, and like the analog pocket is going to look better,

and I'm probably I'm gonna do analog pocket most of the time, but just in case, I'm playing Switch and that's all I got with me, Like, I want to be able to Warrior where anytime. Yeah, when I replay any moment, when the kneed arises, when I get the hanker in um no series has ever just jelled with me as immediately as Warrior were, and that first one in particular, So I want that available all the

time. What else you guys playing right now? Well, so we are we have like we actually it's one of those periods where we have and I'm not just saying this to big league everybody, but like it's one of those periods we have. Like I personally have four games that the embargo has not lifted on yet, which I very much want to talk about them. Yeah, not saying they're good or bad, but like there would be some stuff

I want to talk about. Dan, you and I both as of this recording day can say we have PSVR two, which we're checking out, checking that out. And also I'm pretty deep into like a Dragon Yishan same here. Yeah, so Octopus Traveler too as well. For me, not super deep in look at mister, not a Nintendo jail that gets to play a Nintendo game before released, look at this. But I'm also, oh, I'm not bitter about it. I'm not better, but no, I said

you love it. I'm not bitter. I'm I'm not bitter. He says he's not bitter about being a Nintendo joke or something I didn't do fucking years ago. Yeah, people are always very confused, and you talk about this, and also from the few times I've seen people try to guess what caused it, and absolutely no nobody is correct, and I'm not. I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus. It was an honest mistake. But it's just funny. But I'm still fucking can't do my job the way I'm

supposed to. You know when it's you know, when it's gonna really hurt, oh zella? Yeah yeah maybe by then, maybe you can't know. It's been fucking six years. He was to go to Miamoto's house. Well, no, not six years, because I did. I got Breadth of Wild and the Switch early it was Switch was tied to a Switch game around it was around there, Yeah Holiday really Yeah, Oh I won't. But I'm also playing Company of Heroes three back of my Strategy. Billshit cannot wait

to talk about that game. Is it just a third one? I mean I remember Company of Heroes fucking forever ago. The Heroes two thousand and six. Company Heroes two would have been eleven. It's been a while because Relic then also the developer went off to do some Dawn of War stuff Warhammer forty k. They've done a bunch of different stuff, but Company Heroes three,

I'll save some stuff. But basically they added this like field campaign map, so you can kind of decide where the armies go in the Italian campaign, which is new to them. It's like Total War Civilization esque overworld map.

And then they also have a pause function where you could pause the action, give orders to all your troops, and then unpaus it and they all go like like Ramos six, disperse outward and do that stuff, which for people who like me, don't have the reaction that I used to when I was playing StarCraft two or Warcraft three or Company Heroes one. It's and I've talked about this in the previews I've done for the game. It's pretty welcome,

so looking forward to talking about that. I remember really wanting to get into Company of Heroes because I was such a fan of Commanding Conquer and I thought that like, oh, okay, RTS Command of conqueror this is this is an RTS. I'll get this and bought it and it ran all right on

my computer and I was so excited. But then it was like it was pretty much just like like the stuff I hate about Command of Conquered campaigns, where it was just like, here's four units and you have to do like a story mission versus all I want to do is build like a billion blimps and then blow up a base. You know, I wanted to build Tesla coils. You don't like dogs, and I don't want population caps. I don't want just like four hero units to control. I want to build a

massive fucking army and just stomp on another base. That's yeah. I want to skirmish mode Command of Conquer all the time. Yeah. Oh well, also separate thing. I also did a preview demo for Great War Western Front, a World War One strategy game being made by Petricklyff who that studio was formed back in the day from the remains of Westwood and right, they did Great Goo and Apid Armies. Apid Armies very much had the they did the

they did the reminster of Command of Conquer. Yeah, recent one. Yeah, along with all that archival stuff, they are doing this World War One game, which part of me likes it a lot because it's not You're not managing individual units and giving them like minute commands to go shoot this person for instance. You're just manning trenches and then shooting off map, artillery, air strikes, etc. So it's more big picture. It's just I don't know.

I want to play more of it right now. Is still an early demo that's coming out in March though, but what we are playing can't talk about. Mary. Have you played Hitman Freelancer Mode yet, the new roguelike? Basically I haven't. I've watched people play it. Yeah, it's pretty addictive. It takes it took me a while to really so. I was talking to Jake, who is a far better Hitman player than I am, and I was telling he was like, dude, are you finding this like

kind of too easy? He's like, dude, I'm getting my ass kicked. And the more we talked about it early on in your first syndicates, so for those who don't know, you're basically they took I think something like nineteen locations from the trilogy and you start a new campaign. Your safe house is the permanent upgrade thing in this game. For the most part, your that's your Hades Zagreus's bedroom, so you're always upgrading that and getting you can

like filling out these weapon walls and whatnot. But you have to take down these four syndicates, each of which requires one more mission. But once you complete a certain amount of missions leading up to the syndicate leader, you then have you have to like discern which is your target based on these tells, and you die, you go back to the beginning. You fuck up,

you go back. Sometimes it's like a guess who element of like they're blond and wearing glasses and have a necklace and they've got earrings in they're nervous and they're dehydrated. So yeah, yeah, I was like, man, like

three people are. But you also it's random starting positions, item locations are different, so I think because Jake knows the game so well, and also Jake is very much a player who wants to do like the perfect asassination, whereas I'm like, I see my chance and I have a fucking axe in my hand, I will overhead it right at him. Get the fuck out of there. So I was talking, so Jake was like, dude,

it's kicking my ass and I was like, it's not yet. And then finally I got to the third syndicate in my first run, and everything that went wrong could have the certain missions will have higher alerts, like if you spook a target on an earlier mission. Later missions in that syndicate will be like, oh, now we know someone's coming, and like everybody will be someone with the dot over their head, like managers that they call them,

who can recognize that you're disguised as bullshit. So I was like, oh, it's going completely well. And then I picked each of the syndicates. You get to pick which one you want to hunt down. They'll tell you the possible pool of optional objectives and they're themed, so the like organ Donor syndicate will be a lot of poison kills, which I like, so I did that. Then there's other ones like the gun Runner, which is just go guns blazing, be loud, and I was like, oh man,

that's very against how I play these games. But I did it on like the Maldives mission, and it was intense as hell because I die and I don't just restart the mission I go back and that variation of that mission, that location with these items in specific spots and that target. The targets, by the way, sometimes just random yoga instructors. In fact that more often

than not they are random people. It's tense as hell, and then they drop me, like in the parking garage in Marrakesh and there's just a tiler and there are people everywhere, and I get gunned down immediately, but as fun as hell. It's so fun because like the fact that you can't save scum because like I play that game as a like violent Loony Tunes where I'm just trying to like bugs bunny my ass through it, like blowing people up, sending bodies flying, you know, just see what dumb shit I can

get into and get away. But you have to be able to save scum

that way. So it's like I don't really know how to play that game properly as much as I've played it, so since I can't say come now, I'm just I'm still playing it the way I would, but it's like it's so much more tense because it's like, Okay, I'm gonna throw this remote mine and try to blow up these three guys at once, but then I got to deal with the consequences, so like I actually have to stop and think a second, and not just like, Oho, this would be

funny if I blew up a toilet or something. You know. Yeah, it's very, very tense. I did a review of this moment something Polygon, and one of my screenshots shows my objective. It wasn't even a gun runner. I don't think syndicate that I was tracking down. One of my objectives was to get a sniper rifle kill on a target, not just a random guard on a target and his loop, his patrol loop. It was

just this random clubgoer in Berlin was the worst possible. He went into that extremely crowded bathroom to like throw up and then he would go back out to like talk to a security guard. So I had to get a sniper rifle kill. So I had to. Basically, I have it recorded. I want to show you, guys, because I actually felt extremely cool, and I felt all the better because like, I did it without the safe safety net. So there's a door out the back right toward the pizza delivery guys

scooter. So I was like, okay, I think I could time this where I got the pizza delivery guy. I dragged his body to this fence you could jump over, so I kept it there. I dressed up as one of the employees with the pink ski masks. He walked by. I shot him with a fifty cal sniper rifle for maybe ten feet away, but I was in a room where no one saw me, so I dropped the gun, ran out, put jump the fence, put the pizza delivery disguise on, and he also had the key jump back over. These guys are

like, where'd it go. I was like, I don't know that way, and then get on the scooter and left. And it was incredible because it was improv Yeah, that's what that game is anyway. But then when you just add all these different variables and elements and everything, it's just like you have no idea what you're walking into. Every time, it just seems

endlessly replayable. Yeah. Usually I would do specific kills or objectives just to get our higher score streak or to kind of for the comm any of it, whereas now I'm doing it for survival, and I'm like, I if I can get this guy killed and just get out of here, because you're also balancing. Like many roguelikes, you're trying to also balance how long do I want to stay here and potentially make more money to buy stuff for later

missions, And that's kind of the risk reward. Sometimes I'll be like, I'm not going to fuck with this high alert Marrakech arm guards everywhere, Gunrunner syndicate. I don't need any mercies the currency I'm getting out of here.

But it's still cool because a lot of the flavor objectives from specific locations, like I don't want to spoil it if you haven't found it, but like getting into specific locations in the bank in New York, for instance, are still very rewarding even if they don't have anything to do with that objective. So there's still a lot here to make it feel unique to that location.

I mean I would have said this before Freelancer mode, but especially now, like I really think now that those Hitman games post twenty sixteen among the very very elite games of the last ten mirrors, at least I would say,

oh yeah, at least yeah, it's incredible like that. The roguelike mode, It's crazy how I have people who I've talking to a cousin who has never played hit Man, and I was like, dude, okay, finally just get in with this mode, because yes, it's it's a challenge for veteran players, but it's also I think the optional objectives can guide people a bit more than the overwhelming possibilities of the normal mode, which is like,

oh my god, I could poison this guy. And then it was like now it's like, oh man, I have a chance I can poison him. He'll go throw up in the toilet, I'll drown him. I think it's actually like somehow they've managed to make something that's equal parts approachable and challenging for veterans, which is not easy to do. It's very good, Mary,

you should play more of it. I'm very interested. I've been watching people play it and stream it. I find that, like, because of just the emergent gameplay, I can watch people play the exact same thing, but each person is so distinct and unique about how they can go about it. I just find that game just endless amounts of delicious content, truly. I mean, Hitman is a gift between all the like different approaches to everything

and also like just the infinite like scenarios. Thanks for this new mode. It's just like it's it's a dream. Yeah. The banana. I use the banana to cause accidents a lot. People just slip on bananas now added slipping on bananas. I haven't in a while. Yeah, it's really funny. You could put them on stairs and people will just like biff it and

die and break their neck. Yeah. I frequently said that like video games are typically not funny, I'm genuinely generally found video game writing to not be funny cases uh, but then I'm always reminded Hitman is fucking hilarious, both in terms of scenarios and the dialogue, like it knows what it's doing and it's killing it and also apropos of nothing. I'm also really appreciating the Yaccasa series, and I'm thinking I'll go back to the Yaccasa series and maybe play

the because the Yaka is a series. The ones that are available and already released, they are very, very funny. They are it hits that metal gear sweet note of like the main story being deadly serious, but then just a bunch of weirdoh bullshit in between, and it really works for me. Yeah, the old ones, nothing that's unreleased, Yeah sure, yeah, yeah, what, I did not play anything before Yaku's Like a Dragon, the turn based one, and I found that hilarious. So I need to

go back to them. And now I'm playing Like a Dragon and you know, leaving whatever about that aside. I want to go back and play the rest of them at some point. There's so many. Um Yeah, I got my sister Drew, which she started zero tonight on stream, so I think that's gonna be fun to watch her play. Mary, what have you been playing? I have been playing some High Fire Rush and I have been

loving it. That game is super good. Mary, sell me on this because I keep hearing that and I started it and I've stopped playing pretty quickly because it's like the idea of combat that I timed and everyone tells me the same thing, where it's like you don't have to time it. It's you know, but it's it seems like the big fucking part of the game. Everything in the game is moving to the music and it's fucking like on beat

and I have no rhythm whatsoever. And the idea of like a stylish action like Devilmaycry Banetta thing where I have to like I need to be thinking of doing it to the beat. I just I feel so constricted, and I was just like, after like fifteen minutes, I like, there's a lot of tutorials, a lot of rhythm stuff. I'm done with this. Ah Dan, you don't like all sorts of really amazing games. I'm ready. But I'm saying sell me on it because the look of it, it's very

dreamcast, it's very game. I think it looks gorgeous. Soundtracks awesome. But but tell me, I don't need to worry about this thing that I'm worrying about. Um well, I want to try and not rehash. But for anyone who hasn't heard this argument before, this is an audio based game where you are essentially running free through this world, but there is a consistent beat. Now you can even hit a button to have the beat visually displayed

in the bottom middle, if that helps you. Some people are not very audio based, you know, want to play a game like that, so you can do it based on visuals, and essentially your attacks are amped up if you can do them to the beat. So your classic small attack, your light attack is one beatopopop bop, and if you hit them four times in a row like that, you'll probably do a combo move and do extra

damage if you do it on beat. The heavy attack is two beats, so if you were to do two lights and a heavy, it would go bop bop, that like extra beat in your brain and you would kind of like hold on to the second one because it's a heavy attack and it's really enjoyable to get the beats right. I will tell you, I don't know what your scores are like, because you get a score when you do any

combat scenario. My entire first few hours with this game, every combat I was a D, like a score of D on the alphabet for my ability to hit things on the beat, And it did not bother me at all that I was not attacking on the beat. I look at it like jazz baby, I am not on the beat. I am just free flowing my best. And each thing that you do has a little sound to it, even the dash. It sounds like a high hat when you dash, So if you dash around a level in a combat space, you're just constantly going

it's great. It doesn't honestly matter to me that it's not on beat. I'm enjoying the fact that I'm contributing music. To a great music based game. And this is very different than the other music based games that came out year, where like if You miss Yeah. Some of these games like if You Missed It literally made the music lesser then because it was like yours line, but not the lyrics. That's such a mistake. It's so nice to

let people enjoy the music this game. You're just listening to the music, and if you are so inclined as you play, you are adding elements to the music. It's not essential, it's not required for you to do it on beat, and if you suck at music, you can play this game to the full satisfaction as if you wanted to play it everything to the beat. In fact, I encourage you not to play it to the beat because that's so restrictive. It's really nice to just play it how you want.

I am a little bit more intense when I'm in combat. I just want to kill everything right away. That's probably why I keep scoring solo. But the game isn't punishing. It doesn't matter that I get a d I'm able to burn and breathe through that game and all the boss and it really enjoy the experience. Well, it's not the scoring or the grating. That bothers me because you know, I used to give Tim Terry shit because he said

a long time ago. They're like, oh, he couldn't really enjoy like Bayonetta because he'll play the game, have a good time, and then the end it's like you gotta d you suck, you know, and like that bothered him, and I was like, oh, who gives a shit what the game gives you. It's a letter. Do you have fun playing it? M But I understand one, But with this one, I feel like it is a part of the gameplay to be on beat. So it's like I feel like I always need a snappiness in games when I press a button,

I want to see a thing happen. So when I'm playing Devil May Cryer Bayonetta, I'm hitting sword swing where it's doing the things, reacting exactly where it's like even if okay, yes, sure it'll automatically swing on beat if I hit X or whatever, it feels fucking weird. If I'm just like xxx, I want to I want to slash, and it's like doing

its own timing. It feels like there's fucking weird input lag to me, So like everything about the game from the fifteen minutes I played just felt gross to me in that like, I just felt like everything was not reacting. I love that genre so much. I love the genre. I love the look of this game. I love the spirit of it. Like all that stuff seems great. It's just it felt bad to me because I felt like it wasn't listening to my inputs because it was too slavish too. It's it's

we're a rhythm fighter thing, you know. It's like, no, let me just fight, you know. Um, I don't know what a beat is. I don't know what a beat is, So I encourage you to do more than fifteen minutes. It's not a fighting game. It's an audio based fighting game. This whole thing is all revolving around the fact that the

whole world is musical. In fact, in the very first minute of the game, he gets an iPad like iPod like stuck in his chest Like that's why he is who he is is because he has he has it ingrained in his chest and so his body is moving to the beat as he's walking. His idol is snapping. Yeah, it's very core to this game. The music is phenomenal. I think that that's not the reason I like it. I'm not a big music based like a like a beat bass game. That's

actually not for me either. The what won me over are the characters, and I would just say, like the design of the boss fights I think are very memorable and really enjoyable it. I think that if you could make it to a boss fight that I played that reminded me of you, I think that you would actually be quite into it. Not you as a person, like I didn't think the boss was like you. It was very WrestleMania

okay, and it was super fun. How it really took a lot of notes from WrestleMania to let you enjoy it and feel like you're like in this wrestle world. It has the creativity and like the charisma of a double flying game. The jokes are littered throughout this piece. There's even secrets from the developers previous games wrinkled in they made Ghostwire Tokyo, the Evil within the Evil within it. Yeah, he was he led this up, he like co

led this game or he was a producer on it. What was he before because I know he was he Residue Cry Okay, Yeah, a game like this because it has very specific connections to the Evil Within. It was just hilarious, like it's playing a joke right, Like it's yeah, Like there'll be characters from that are reminiscent of ones from The Evil Within, which is really cheeky and delightful. Um the game itself, so the plot essentially you you are a defect. You should not have had an I an iPod shoved

into your chest and melded with your body. Now everything is music based, and so they're trying to shut you down because you shouldn't exist, and you are essentially like fighting for your light right to exist. You're in all of these different manufacturing plants where they make these machines, and I keep running across these really funny characters. Is this character that only knows how to clean, and if you just hang out and listen to him, he'll just be like

I love to clean. He's just sweeping, and he'll if you just hang out and sit there, he says like he says, I can't wait to eat off this floor. It's just like sweeping the floor. And like I'm laughing about these like stupid characters. They don't they shouldn't have so much characters. They shouldn't have so much life in this world, but they put a

lot of effort and thought into making this world feel alive. There's characters that are like there's NPCs that are like, I'm in love with this other character, but it's against policy, I can't talk to them, and it's just like God, like I want to help these people. They're so cute,

Like this is a very lush world. The boss fights are also like really enjoyable you as you are as you're going through these levels, you're picking up machine parts that you can upgrade your arm and your weapon which is a guitar as you could imagine, and you can get all these extra bonuses for your ALT moves. So being in these boss fights, I got really excited about this. All that essentially calls in my friend who shoots the bad guy.

It's very addictive and fun to call in a buddy system to have them shoot this boss on my behalf and do like hecka damage to them. And there's another one where you ride your guitar around the area and so you just basically like use your ALT. I'm on my guitar riding around beating up anyone who gets in my way, it's very enjoyable. It's it's whimsical, man like, it's just a sweet game. Whoever made this world all they were convinced

of the environment and they sold it hook line and sinker. They didn't. They didn't. They knew exactly what they were making here, and they were like, we're we gonna make this silly and irreverent and jokester. Half the characters are so stupid that they give them dumb dialogue and it works. You may fucking games I've played where they're like, the lines are, you know, breaking the fourth wall, and that makes them interesting. It's not that

at all. This game is just self aware. It knows what it's doing, but it's not constantly breaking the fourth wall. It's just saying this is a really silly concept. You know, this sign says shoot me, because you know, we wanted to make sure you knew what to do. It's just like really bluntly explain things to the player that let you casually enjoy this game without stressing about it or worrying about it too much. It's absolutely a

delight. Does it ease up on the tutorial stuff because the entire like fifteen I played It is just like it was walk five You mean the entire fifteen time? Do you have the whole fifteen minutes of tutorial breaks you? But I'm saying, well, no, fifteen tutorials. Fine. It's when I walk three feet and a robots like do this and do this and do this. I'm like, Okay, I got it. And I walk five feet

and a robots like dude this and do this. Okay, yeah, I get it, and walk by feeding dude this, And I don't like the way any of it's feeling, you know, Like I think it was just like every time something started explaining something to me, I was like, all right, will you just let me? I learned the things that last eighteen robots told me? Can you let me go utilize that story? Did you know you don't need to go up to the tutorial robots? But they're there

for a reason. No, they're fucking they're there for dumb dumps. Doesn't talk to him. I don't like skipping content in video games, but there, I didn't know you could skip talking to her. It's the like it's like that motherly character rob not the motherly. There are these robots that are holding signs that say help me, Like I can help you, you have to talk to any of those people. I don't even like boring cuts scenes, and so I don't skip them. Typically, that's like such a contradiction.

You're basically saying that you refuse to skip any content, and then you're mad that it's rehashing a tutorial that you already know what to do. That's what that robot's designed for, you know that butter robot where it's like, what's my purpose? And he's like you you like, hold the butter. This that tutorial robots purpose is to re explain tutorials for people who can't like

read good. That's sick. People work very hard, and every one of those robots and I don't want to, you know, do the developers and this service play Yeah, yeah, okay, you do it in Bitch all about the game? The fifteen me. Sure, it's good. The only person I know that doesn't seem to like this game, but I feel like I have not given it a fair shot. I am admitting that. I'm

glad that you can acknowledge your own missteps here. The only thing worse in this situation would be if you watch Jeff Grubb play it for fifteen minutes and then stop, Mike and I unless it's punch out. Have you guys played have you guys played Hollow Night? Do you think of that game? Um? This game? I like, sure worth playing. It's fun game. Back to it there, Look, there's other stuff. There's a lot of stuff to play. Maybe I'll get back, but play play till the play

till the first boss, and then see how you feel. It's five more tutorials before you get it. Depends on how many you make yourself watch and then bitch about is it fifteen minutes of you actually playing the game or did you play it for five and then spend ten with the tutorial bot making sure that your fifteen minutes not skipping hard developed content. Um play, I'd say it opens up? Are you saying developers have it easy? Anti game developer

Mary Kish here, those lazy devs. Put in a tutorial bot. It starts to open up, and then you can start like trying to jump, do cool jump stuff for collectibles, and then you get to the boss and you'll probably know by the first boss. There's secrets everywhere too. And I know you're a secret I know you're a secret. Guy. I collectables that like secrets, little secrets, Like around every corner, there's little secrets every I love it. Every time. I'm like, I wonder if there's something

behind this corner. You bet your ass there's something behind in that corner. Oh, I bet if I fell here, there's actually maybe like a secret platform. Oh you bet your sweet buns, there's a secret platform under there. This game's very like enjoyable music major fight a dude. You don't have to do anything. You don't even have to read. The robots tell you what to do, and there's a visual example if you aren't and I still sucked at it harder for me. It's good for people who actually are hard

of hearing or have like audio disability right now they can play it. And I would also say for like accessibility, it's very dope to have two of the main characters have a visible disability or like have like um basically like a you know, like having like an arm or like a leg um that's machine or something else. It's really neat that they kind of like thought about that

and made it so seamless in the world. Yeah, because all your allies in this game are technically in the minds of the Corporation Defense Defects as they say, yeah, And I think it is kind of ingrained into the story, right. Arc of this is that like, you're a defect, you shouldn't be here, and these characters are essentially like, yes, the funk we should. And it's also it's called Vandalay Industries. And the first song is Lonely Boy by Black Keys. I'm on this game's wavelength in several ways.

Well, unfortunately I was streaming it, which means I'm not allowed to listen to the music. I had to listen to the generic ones as we were calling them the white Locks. The first boss is nine inch Nails. Oh, I was listening to eight inch Snails. I love them. That's the weird al version. You got to see the concerts this them like oozing on the stage, not even playing music. It's slightly off, but I mean even with that, I actually really liked the what would you call it,

like the generic Royalty free beats. I was still enjoyed the experience with that music. I heard. It's a very good game. Oh my god, Dan, I'm not anti. What game did you play for seven minutes that you want to discuss? Dan? Uh actually probably almost exactly seven minutes. I literally I did one fight undisputed, and I was like, oh, they made a new Fight Night all right, great? Um, so, yeah, Mike, I know you're a you're a Fight Night guy as

well. Mary. I don't know if you played him. It's good boxing turned out. I like boxing games and boxing movies, even though I don't give a shit about actual boxing. Um, have you ever watched I actually watched someone in a mirror play while I was uh oh yeah, while I was roofing my house, and I don't think it's very good. I played I by Rush should have felt bad, so did this game. I was like, I can't even pay attention to this story. I'm gonna go back

to roofing. What. I don't understand this analogy from me too, I'm pushing it. But you also played Golden Eye on Switch or Xbox or Xbox Xbox both. I played it on both, and the game that came out on a Nintendo console. Somehow Nintendo made the remake feel bad and the Xbox one feels good, so go figure. Um, yeah, the Switch one's all fucked up because it's like dedicated to the like the Switch Online Nintendo's sixty four controls, and so it just doesn't feel right. It doesn't have anything

like dual analog stick. But even if you like try to turn it on the dual analog thing that was in the original game with two controllers, that's all fucked up. Like I could not find like the only thing I could find where some Reddit threads were like, if you remap the controls at a system level, you can make this feel out right. It's like, what the fuck like and then you go play another game an hour later and then

exactly mapped. Yeah, it's not convenient at all. And meanwhile, the Xbox One is just like it immediately feels good and it's like updated and that it doesn't feel like the original one did because that was a single stick game and you had to hold an a button too. Aim Like, it feels really good on Xbox. It looks good, but it's not. Like it's not that remaster that never got released but it leaked out. I played.

It's really cool, um, but it it looks better, it's upres It's uh, I haven't done online on I guess the Switch one only has online, but uh, yeah, it feels good and I'm like halfway through the campaign on Xbox and it's gold nine. It feels better than it ever did, so oh yeah, glad to have it. That reminds me. Have you played Pizza Tower yet? No, but Grub keeps talking about it. It has your name written yeah yeah. Pat Gill wrote a review for us.

It's on a Steam Yeah. Steam. It's like Warrior Land, but also you can You're like you getting more than you get several playable characters. Like the platform itself is really tight and elegant. You I haven't played it. Maybe I have played it by the time this episode goes up, but as of last Wednesday, I haven't played it. Um, but I haven't reading the review. I was I being the review, like, holy shit, it sounds good. Oh my god. In episode it's it's got escape

sequences like or at the end of missions or levels. It looks like an episode of Cow and Chicken. It's also fun to say Pizza Tower and his name is the character's name. The protagonist name is Peppino Spaghetti. First, the first playable character, I see a carrot with sunglasses. Oh, I should play it on the nose. Yeah, it sound like a punch out character. I should play this. This looks really it sounds like something you

would like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, surprise you hadn't um. I played I so again among the other things that I'm juggling, I my kind of like calming default not podcast game. I listen to music during it. But I've been playing a lot. I finally, like finally dove into Deep Rock Galactic. It's a game I played maybe like six hours of here and there, but never really saw the long tail. And now I'm finally seeing it, and I get why. It has a shit ton of active players

and the devs are consistently introducing new updates and whatnot. Oh man, this game is great. My my understanding was that it was like a four player almost like Left for Dead type thing. But are you playing solo? If you say you're like and stuff they added like a an AI robot companion that makes soloing way easier and more viable. Like In fact, I think a lot of veteran players are doing solo stuff because for season pass stuff, of

which their season past just nails it. Like I hate I see a season pass like in Halo Infinite when they just know I'm not gonna be playing in Fortnite Fortnite does it really well, yes, but like Deep Rock, Yeah, it's it's this growing. It's been doing the like extraction shooter genre for a while now, which is kind of I guess what people are calling the call of duty DMZ or Rabo six. No one is playing Rainbow six extraction. But it's the idea that you drop into a few missions or objectives and

then get pulled out at the end. Deep Rock is that, but then class based, very deep classes. There's four of them and they all have their own weapons and advantages and whatnot. Then it's kind of left for dead.

In these voxel based minecraft, you can dig through these worlds. Sometimes your objective is just to mind specific minerals that you're looking through this cave system to find, and then once you find those, you're depositing them in this drone that follows you around, and then you call them the dropout and you have to like race back to the start while bugs are attacking you and the Engineer classes putting down turrets and then picking them up when you need to like

keep running. The Digger is just has like basically two giant drills on each fist that go through the wall instead of your pickaxe. It is a very like, very fun gameplay loop of digging and just exploring and scavenging for specific materials and mapping out the cave complex and figuring out where these next thing the minerals are, and then a swarm attacks and all of a sudden you're like,

Okay, now I'm thinking about my class. Sometimes I'm thinking about my class an exploration sense, other times I'm thinking about it in a wave defense combat sense. And now that I've finally I've gotten the Scout class up to level twenty or so, I've gotten And this won't mean anything if you haven't played the game, but basically, I actually I am seeing farther down the road for these classes. I'm like, oh, man, I see why

this game has such an active player base. It's great and co op it's awesome too, But in terms of left for dadalikes, I think this might be the best one. Like Warhammer Vermontide too is really good. Dark Tide is good, but they're still working on a lot of that, like and also just in terms of live service games, Deep Rock is doing a lot of things right, Like I was talking to Chris Plant about this, like were, or he was wondering, like how much just their simple Vauxhall based

art style makes it easy to introduce new elements. I'm not a game developer, but if it is, like other devs should do that because that game is awesome and it came to PlayStation last year. I believe is it because I thought I had played it before, But you mentioning voxels makes me oh, okay, So is it mainly the environment because I remember like, yeah, characters and stuff not looking like boxely correct, It's it's not like Minecraft

looking. Okay, Yeah, I did play this, but yeah, I remember thinking it did seemed really good, but I think when I played it it was way more like multiplayer focused, and in that necessarily great for solo. Um, you could play it solo. There's certain classes that are like the Scout. It's funny and co op. The Scout class is often sometimes jokingly just maligned because it's not as useful as the other ones. It is, but people like to say it's not in solo though it's probably the best

solo class. But you're un lack and you're doing these assignments. Play this again, Um, why are you playing this? This isn't a new game. This is probably a stupid question. Why are you here? Well, like serious, like, I'm surprised this came up. Does it have a sale white, No, it's it's free to play, or no, it's not free to play. Sorry, it's not the impetus for you coming back to this. Thank you Dan for saying it smartly. That's what I know.

What it was. I was playing Warhammer Vermontide two because they introduced that roguelike mode in that game as well, and I was writing something for Polygon that's like, oh, I love when games their end game is like a surprise roguelike mode. Tiny Tinas did as well. So playing Warhammer Vermont Tied two, which is very much a Left for Dead alike, that's very good. I was like, I never really gave Deep Rock at shot. I'm gonna go get screenshots in this game just for the article, and then I

just kept playing. You just kept playing it. Yeah, it hooked me, But it's on a ray station. There has been that renaissance of like Left for Blood, Left for Blood, Left for Dead Legs lately. Probably the next game, the next one is going to be called Left for Blood. Well, yeah, it's it's back for blood that that fizzle out, because I remember there's a lot of hype about that. Just last week they announced they're dropping it. Oh it's sun setting the games, and so they

can't. Their team isn't big enough to basically make you content for the game. So it's not that they're sun setting it, it's that they're no longer going to be making new content for it because they're going to use that energy to make the new IP of whatever servers will be up and everything. Yeah, for a year with like three expansions, Like it has a lot of content. Like if people want to play it, that game is still good. It's a shame it doesn't have the same addictive nature that the first one

had. But we are in a different era, Like it's possible, like this isn't exactly like the type of game that this generation is as into that type of thing, Like that type of like live service thing is super not my wheelhouse. So I'm always very surprised when it's like, as far as I knew Rumble Verse was doing great, I heard like it. I never

played it, really, I did the beta. I did one match to the beta basically, and but I heard it I heard a lot of people talking about it, and I was like, Okay, it must be doing great. You know a lot of people in my chat would be like, Danny love Fortnite. Why aren't you playing Rumble Verse? Like so I thought it was like blowing up. And so when I heard the thing about its sunsetting, I was like, what the fuck? What happened there? Like

I thought it was doing Gangbusters? Yeah, and deep Rock has from what I've seen, this isn't the best metric all the time, but like the deep Rock oftentimes, you can look at how active a reddit is for a specific game, You're like, oh, man, so deep Rock reddit is always extremely active. They I looked up the numbers recently for Steam at least, and it was pretty high up there. But yeah, I first played it on Xbox. Now I'm playing on PlayStation. I also am using the

Dual Sense Edge so I could map deep had stuff to that. That's why I replayed it because I had a few games download and I was I was just testing out different games with the Dual Sense Edge, just like, oh, I remember deep Rock you have to use the deep ad a lot, and I went back and switched that up. It's like Oh, okay, but yeah, I don't know that game's really good. They're they're doing a lot of coal, so like they're just consistently adding new cosmetics, which is

like a cherry on top if you already enjoy the game. But they've added new weapons for each class. They just they've added new mission types. I don't know how many there are, but some you drop in and have to escort a drill to this giant heart boss fight. Other Times you drop in and rival companies have already set up turrets and stuff there. Others they drop a platform in that you're defending the whole time. It's great, that's really good, be a fun co op game. At some point, are you

guys playing anything else? I tht that we're both playing the Debt Space remake. Yeah, but last time we discussed this, you had both played it and I had not. So I'm happy to be in the loop now and let you all know that I played some Dead Space and I am really enjoying it extremely my jam and just as scary as I remember playing. And it was kind of funny because I played this game for the first time with Mike,

so playing it without him has been fruitful. For me, I haven't been I've been a little bit more lost honestly, but it's has a very good guide system. Yeah, wait till the finder is nice. If it's you're saying, it's it's been easier with that Mike, like I have not seen so is it. Was he more of a hindrance or help during it evolved? At first? I was so, I mean, at first it

was very much I couldn't do it without him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, okay, the earlier games are so much more babying me out almost like he was like he was like, uh, gassing me up because I would be like, I'm too scared, I'm gonna die. I can't get through this, and he would be like, you can do it. Uh, take this gun, take six, put four bullets in this guy two and this guy, and then run like hell. Like he was he

was completely guiding me. Towards the end of that tenure, he was straight up like, hey, why don't you take a left here the wall until you don't have ammo and then go over here wells to remake the catwalk at the top of the library collapses and she didn't know about it. Oh no, no, no, you did know about it from the first game, and I told you. I was like, oh, you know what's really

cool. They actually changed it so that part totally did and mister X was waiting for her the red flags didn't go up immediately, or was like, hang on this motherfucker. I mean, there were many, many, many boy who cried wolf moments later on when I'm like, Mary, Okay, this guy is going to do exactly this, and then she's like oh ok and then he did that. I was like, Okay, I deserved You shouldn't believe me. It was a It was a good experience. I think

in in Dead Space we were kind of just enjoying the experience together. But I did ask him a lot, like what gun is best and stuff in this situation. This game is just say, Dead Space is easier than Resident Evil. You can kind of as long as you're willing, you're gonna die,

but as long as you're willing to try again. Now you'll know that they come from all directions, which is hilarious because now after playing the first game, when I played it again, every time I shoot an enemy, I just do a one eighty and go, I know there's another one of you motherfucker's in the shadows come out. Yeah, like I'm ready now. But like my first time playing dead Space, the biggest thing that gets you is that they will always put you in the center of a room and have

enemies come from multiple directions to come get you. So I think once you get the hang of that, you can you can get through. You get that muscle memory of kill the one in front of you, run to where he was, and then more intense and actually than it is scary and survival, I would say definitely, it's not that stressful. You never run out of bullets as far as I remember. I mean in Resident Evil, you are sweating. You are like I do not have the inventory. I cannot

take my shotgun and my gun. I am so am in deep shit here. Oh and like I'm out of health and I'm running out of save pucks. In dead Space, you have more than enough money which you're constantly collecting from people, that you can use to buy Ammo if I refuse, I've never once bought Ammo in a dead Space. That is a racket. But the developers work really hard on the system. By no, no, I'm put hours into That doesn't apply that a point doesn't. No, I will

conserve my AMMO. I will scrape by with the weapon that's sixth in my tier list if it means that, like, oh okay, I ran out of my plasma cutter AMMO. But I'll use the three hundred flames or something. I spend smartly. I spend on the stuff that's gonna pay dividends for the whole game. I'm not gonna pay for a thing that I'm going to shoot into a wall two minutes later. I've never once bought AMO in a Dead Space game, and I'm not starting now. I rarely didn't resonable game

either well I mean now and resume well, I mean four onward. You could. I think at Village I might have on the hardest difficulty several times. But yeah, they did some. We talked about it that Mary. Have you tried the pulse rifle yet in the remake? Yes, they changed the alternate fire. It used to be that literal like sprinkler he put in the ground that was pretty useless. Now it's an actual proximity mine. It's fun that you'll see like things where it's like, okay, there's three dorks

and tubes and I know they're gonna break out at some point. So it's like, Okay, I just killed one guy. Those guys are right to break out. I'll put the proximity mines down. Yeah, and they pop out and blow up immediately. And that's when you kind of get removed from the game because you're like Isaac wouldn't know, or maybe at a certain point he would learn this, but he's suspicious. If I was Isaac and I saw it, just a bunch of things and tubes and everything's coming back to

life, I guess. So, yeah, there are like two monsters crawling everywhere out right, and babies, I mean the amount of babies. And you bring out the line gun. You bring out the line gun, just chop them all off. And one you got chop off those tendies hanging out of that baby. Oh yeah, you gotta shoot him, boot him and loot them. Yes, they changed the flamethrower alternate fire as well the wall

wall of flame. Now, yeah, they'll be like a bunch of assholes coming up the stairs and I was just going, nope, fuck you, these are fire stairs now, and they all decide fire Stairs. It's our other podcast, um fire Stairs for speaking of no don't go anywhere, and this isn't an Adrea stop it. They already hit fast forward thirty seconds. Oh my god. Um yeah, that's all. I've got a lot of stuff I'm excited to talk about, maybe the next episode. Do a bunch

of embargos going up today. Embargos go up for Wild Hearts. Is that developers Omega published EA EA backed Monster Hunter to be reductive? Is it a new franchise? Yeah? Okay, um yeah, some bargo some like reviews and progress are going up today. I'm curious to see more of that game because I've heard stuff from our reviewer's got some some interesting stuff. I don't know if I when I'll get around and playing it. I don't even know

what I'll get around to. Playing Metroid Prime Remaster, which I like, that's top of my list I want to replay. I'd tell him I play that every Christmas. Played Metrod Prime again like two years ago, and that game, that game held up on Dolphin with the original controls, like with the new controls and everything, I'm sure it's gonna be awesome. There's some

backtrack and ship going on. There's like an annoying final boss deal, but like that game in terms of atmosphere, top five ever, maybe top three? Yeah, I don't even know what else's Solitude. Yeah, in terms of like straight up atmosphere. I'm trying to think of what is in that conversation besides metroid Prime, Like, what else is Resonual Hill, Silent Hill? Yeah yeah, I just Silent Hill always, like I like Resumeal more, but I think Silent Hill did it Amosphere better? You know? Yeah?

I think so just that Alan Wake I played that recently, but that's more like campy. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Metri Prime's awesome prime. The music is just unreal. It's so fucking good. Yeah yeah, Um, do you guys want to do emails? Yeah? Oh I'm gonna give my punch out update. Oh yeah, I see I get your YouTube updates. Oh yes, yes, I always up my YouTube channels. Has become of my fucking world record, thank you. So I'm now fifty six in the world. I am now at twenty two minutes and fifty nine

seconds, thank you. My gold splits with my current strats, I can definitely get a sub twenty. So my goal is a sub twenty, which would put me in the top fifty in the world. I would have had it A night or two ago. I had a disastrous R ANDNG moment with King Hippo that if I would have had better turn, I would have absolutely Uh. I was three seconds shy of my PB, but like the King Hippo, RG fucked me up by like forty second, so I would have been in a much better spot. Um. But no, I've said several

BB's personal bests since the last episode. I'm inching ever closer to that top fifty and wonderful? Do do all of the uh? Do all the punch out speed runners blame RNG when they fuck up the r You know I I rated you and the very first thing that happened was you complained about RNG. No, it's you, doctor Jaydergy, doctor K three. You talk to Summoning Salt, will all fucking tell you that r is a run killer. Did Mike Tyson himself complain about RYE the main thing? Yeah, that's as

children. I do bad a law float like a butterfly watch out for RNG. Yes exactly. Yeah, I'm very sure, Nola. No, I'm joking. I play game every mistake it's ever happened, every time I've ever failed or lost has been my fault because that is a perfect fucking video game. Rag can fuck you over, but you gotta keep grinding at it. You gotta keep you know, the right run will come. You just gotta

be able to execute when Orange falls in your favor. Here's where it would fuck with me is when I'm like top ten in the worlds no say, I'm number eleven in the world, and while the run is happening, when I start to realize all the rng's going right, the nerves that would build and I'm like, oh my god, now it's only dependent on my Now, that's what happens is when you know you've got the run and all you

have to do is you have to beat Tyson and it's locked in. That's when you have your first, your worst Tyson run you've ever had, where he just destroys you, but you could beat him ninety nine one hundred times otherwise because the nerves go fucking crazy and there's bullshit like I set a personal best like a week ago and that's hell yeah, new personal best and I sent it in and it came back and they said, like we had to decline this, this was not a valid run. Turns out there's shit like

in Don Flamenco two. If you have a star and you you counter his thing and you don't do exactly thirteen punches before you do the star, it triggers a clock stop glitch where for an indeterminate amount of time the clock stops. It could be four seconds, five seconds, whatever, but it's enough to invalidate a run. And so on purpose or knowingly, no, I

definitely don't know, but now I know. And so now every time i fight Don Flamenco two and I've got a star, if I'm countering, I literally in the fast punched I'd be one, two, three, four, five, six, seventy nine. I have to get to twelve thirteen exactly then hit started to buffer a start punch then otherwise the entire run will be invalidated. And Don Flinco two is pretty late in a run, so you

have to do it exactly after thirteen punches. It's fucking crazy the amount of information about that game that's in my brain right now, and I just I just want more. It's you said you're going for top. What what's your goal? I go right now sub twenty minutes, top fifty in the world, and like I know for a fact looking at my times that I am capable of it. With my current strats, I don't even need to get around one on Tyson. That's the white whale right now is getting around one

TKO on Mike Tyson. I cannot do that. I've never done that. I've fought Tyson thousands of times at this point, I've never gotten a round one t KO. I've gotten two and a half out of three, but i haven't gotten the three. So that's the main thing I'm practicing right now is just Tyson Tyson, Tyson Tys. I can beat him pretty much every time, but I've never gotten that round one t KO. Round one TKO would be the result of three knockdowns. But I know, I know the

rule. But like doing that in the run would be the result of things you set up earlier in the run. No, no, no, it's just the first ninety seconds because they're three minutes in a round. So the first ninety seconds he's thrown these uppercuts that are like one hit KOs. So every time you do that, you have to do proper punches where the timing is like one two one two, And if you don't hit him on the last possible frame of each one of those one twos, he will block it.

So you have one frame, and so you have to hit like a bunch of punches on that last frame to do max damage, to do five instead of one damage. And also he can randomly do an eight second delay eight seconds of game time where he just like sits there and looks at you for like eight seconds. If that happens, that can almost kill your chances

of getting it. After that ninety seconds, he goes into these wink kind of hook things and those have proper punches too, where it's like you have to do it like on the last possible frame, otherwise he's going to block it. You don't have to hit every single one of them, but you have to hit the large majority of them to get three. And it's it's pure timing, it's pure execution. But it's the last fight out of fourteen.

So if you have the best fucking run you've ever had, then the pressure of like I need to hit single frame openings this entire fucking round to lock this thing in. It's incredible pressure, it's insane, and I've never done it once, and I consider myself at this point really good at this game. I'm gonna get to that point. I'm gonna be able to do it, but I'm I'm still a ways off. All Right, We'll keep

at it. Very impressive progress. I love that you're doing it. It was really fun to watch you, uh and the kind of like raid into your channel mid run, and I think you were you were a little frustrated when I was talking to you, and you were like, if if I can't get through this run, like I'm going to move on to a different game, but we will get through this run. And you were like, know when you're having a bad like when when you're just like, Okay,

this is like the third or fourth time I've tried this. It's not the night. I'm not in the mindset. I'm not like something ain't firing right here. Like you gotta you gotta know when to walk away from the table, you know, but to fold them, oh my god, him to fold them. You gotta know when to start punch. You got no one to buffer. Yeah, yeah, I'm Muhammad all you said that all the time. There absolutely out punch. I don't want to shoot on a little

into you. I was gonna talk about you. You always little You'd love it, you know. He has no respect for developers and the time that they put into I'm not getting Mary Cash. What are you talking about, Jesus skipping all this content? Do you guys want to do emails? I can do this all day, Dan, Let's see emails all right? As usual? You can write into firescape cast at gmail dot com. We were

just looking through the inbox. A lot of people write in all the time for questions, comments, concerns, corrections, the ladder of which I never read, so send them in. I don't fucking read them. It's firescipecast at gmail dot com. Actually, we did get a bunch of people when I Dan, you had we had been talking about ancient Rome versus ancient Greece and Cleopatra vers some Medusa, and a bunch of people who are into those wrote in some very helpful ones that are too long to read here. Just

praise because I knew a lot about it. No, it's because I literally told people. I was like, all right, I'm pretty sure butchering a lot of this, so right into me. Tell me how close we were. And it wasn't terrible, I don't think, But you know, definitely some very welcome corrections that if you you want to peruse, because I mean, I'm the historian here, so I already know all the stuff they wrote in. We do have a question tonight. We got a new quiz me

versus Mary because it's Mary one last time and Dan loss. So Dan's quizmaster. No, I don't think that's what happened, but Dan, for Novelty's sake, I'll be the quizmaster. Well, thank you. That's very Uh, that's you're such a martyr, Dan. What can people do on Spotify for fire five stars? Fire, it's a fight. It's the most fun star to click, So I would say do that one. It helps us IT services US for people that wouldn't normally listen to US services US. Yes,

what did I say? Surfaces us on the spots US IT services US probably think about wanting to service us. Well, you can't. God, I need to be service good. I need to be serious service time. Bank. Bank is running dry? No good? Yeah, but also tell us impenetrable walls are leaking. If you don't love us, Dan, can you tell them the process of giving us four stars or three? Yeah? Anything below five? You know, look, there's a lot of there is

a way to do it. Guess that's weird Spotify, that's we Also like the ones that we do that really matter if you don't like us is are the kind of funny ones in the best Dies in the Midmax and you know everything else just start for video games and like just anything but fire Escape. Just just go down the line there basically, yeah, okay, cool? Uh Mary? Do you want to read this first one from Simon from Pith Australians like we as the cat New Zealand as they like where's the cat?

Okay and they all have heard that. Hello everyone, I'm gonna read arrest of it? Like, do you think some something being pretentious is inherently a bad thing? That's a really funny start, because we talked about that a lot, I asked because I listened to a lot of music prog rock, post punk, math rock, that kind of stuff that is labeled as pretentious by some I can definitely acknowledge that it can be pretentious, and even some

of the artists themselves will label their work as pretentious. Yet it is often used as an insult to someone or something. Is the meaning different if a person is pretentious as opposed to a game of film or a song. As a follow up, who is the most pretentious person of the group and why

is it? Mike Heart of your work Simon from Australia. Oh, I know so by definition, I know, by definition, pretentious means that you're assigning greater importance to yourself or something like a work than it actually deserves. Right, So I think yes is the answer. However, I don't think everything high brow is inherently bad because at all it's pretentious to me is the attitude. It's not that you're into something high prow And the perfect example I

think I would bring him is Austin Walker. Austin Walker is someone who and I'm not saying he's pretentious, I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying he is into extremely high brow intellectual stuff that like, I think a lot of people with his interest in knowledge could be pretentious. They could be like, oh, you're so pedestrian, you don't know this thing. Oh haha, you don't know that? Like no. I every time I've been blessed to sit

down with Austin Wane to want to have a conversation. Look, there's a million things that like, I just don't fucking know. I don't understand, and anytime it's clear, Like I remember what was the time? It was me him and Danny Dwire were at a bar once and they were talking about like imperialism came up, and I was like, what the fuck is imperialism? And I think a lot of people would just be like, oh,

you know, this grown man doesn't know what imperialism is. Austin there's zero percent of that With Austin Walker. He was like, okay, so here's the deal. You know what this is. Okay, so this is kind of like this, and this is like this. He doesn't act like he is smarter for knowing what something is, and he doesn't act like someone is dumber for not knowing what it is. I feel like that's the opposite of pretentious, because isn't the concept of being pretentious is about impressing others, So

like, it's not about liking stuff. It doesn't matter like how fancy the items is that there are that you like, or like how many books you've read, that's like irrelevant. Yeah, it's about the concept that you are trying to impress other people with your wealth of knowledge, possibly more than what you actually even have, right, Like, you are over exaggerating putting on airs. You're putting on airs, and you're acting like you're higher side or

higher intellect or whatever. And that is antithetical to how like Austin Walker acts, like, yeah, he knows more than fucking anyone I know, But he has never made me feel like a dumbass for not knowing something. He has always seemed like someone who genuinely wanted to share his knowledge and have a conversation about something, not make not trumpet himself up and not act like I'm

a dumbass. Like he is very genuine but also heat. I think a lot of people with his interests and the level of intellect could come across as potential pretentious. He absolutely, zero percent, never ever in my friendship with Austin Walker has ever come across as that at all to me. So like, no, I don't think interests determine pretension. That's such a glowing review of Austin Walker. I mean, he's a He's a fucking saint, he

is, Like, I love that man. Here. I think we often associate pretentious with fancy, rich things, right, that is my most common assumption of that someone is being pretentious is that they like have like a snifter of brandy and are like being like looking down on someone for not liking it. But it could also it could be anything. Yeah, it's any interest. If you just really enjoy wine and like talking about it, that's not

pretentious. But let's say you like sign up for like a wine social network and write a bunch of like reviews about how they taste, like permanent Mark Christmas stuff like that's pretentious. Yeah, that does sound like pretentious to me. I'm definitely if we had to compare us three, I would definitely say I'm the closest to pretentious. I don't think I'm actually pretentious, though, Mike, if you were actually obnoxiously pretentious, we would not be as close

as we are. I know, Like, yeah, here here, here's the beauty part about Like, if I'm just putting people over here, let me also put Mike over here. Because Mike's into some fucking high flute and bullshit. He is high falute and about it. He's at the same time the dumbest motherfucker I've ever met. And that's why I appreciate Yeah, because like he's like twenty years younger than me, and he's the motherfucker who taught me how it a shotgun a beer in a backyard. Like, so that's

the thing. It's like he's got he had always high faluting interests, but also game for being the dumbest dipshit where we're just eating bagels and drinking whiskey and wah three years ago exactly. That's why Mike Mike is an anomaly. He is. Uh yeah, if it was just the high faluting stuff, I would probably hate you. But you're fucking hilarious in our game as fu. Oh yeah, I definitely like have to catch myself, maybe not as

much anymore, but definitely sometimes when it comes to certain topics. But I genuinely just have fun, like trying different lines and reading fucking like highbrow so I also read like you. That's why it's genuine. You are into it because you genuinely like the step. I'm not into it because it's like, oh, this will be a thing I can brag about the parties. You just you like the shit you like. I also don't think I usually you don't. Often maybe I do. It's entirely possible I have at some point

in fact, I'm almost positively have. I don't usually bring it up to impress people. I just bring it up because I have that like on the spectrum streak, And I say that literally where the things that interesting interests me, I can't help but rant about them when they get brought up. But sometimes I could definitely see how that comes across as like me trying to impress people. I don't give a fuck what most people think, especially if people

I don't know. It's hard to even joke, like I am joking when I call you pretentious because like knowing I'm the closest of us three. Absolutely, I'll be the first to admit that you guys don't know that. Oh my god, you guys are so dumb. Mike, I would say you are the most pretentious, and I would argue that I think Mary, you're the coolest. Definitely wow nice, I mean without its effortlessly cool. Yeah, like the most pretentious, Marry the coolest. I would never have considered

myself that descriptor. That feels good. Thank you, you're very cool. I never that's cool. That makes me happy. Thanks for saying that. He's delving out compliments tonight. Yeah, like Mike being pretentious. I'm gonna say I don't not really um, not putting you over. He's not remotely obnoxious about that stuff. Is the most interesting. You're the most fascinating person I think I've ever met. You are that to you, it's very I do. I like to keep one eyebrow here, one way down here.

You're the rock. No highbrow, low brow. Oh I see what you're doing. Yeah, but yeah, thank you Simon from pith Am I saying that right, Pith pith. I think you can just say Perth now Melbourne. Okay, Dan, Dan, you want to do the quick I've got one more email, but it's more of like a I asked last week or two last episode, rather if we have gen Z listeners and a bunch of people emailed in. Apparently we do fucking the kids lavas um, but we'll

do that last because it's more of a kind of sign off thing. Dan, Let's do this quiz? How long is it? What are we looking at? It? Says medical terms quiz. I'm not used to reading the quizzes because I usually win the quizzes, so I usually stay on a winter stays and everything. But I just wanted to give you guys a chance to shine. Thank you being selfless here. Um, okay, so I'm gonna be the quizmaster here. It's medical terms. I've not read a single word

of this email yet, so this is coming out live here. Hello fire escapers. Hitting the age of thirty five this year, I can finally say I'm an interventional neuro radiologist and endovascular neuro searching seventeen years seventeen years of post secondary training. You could have got like eight film degrees at that point. Please help me celebrate by using my medical terms. Real or fake quiz? All right, I will read these. It looks like there are ten with

tiebreakers if we need them. Do we need paper or anything? Maybe let me see you hang this is it's a real or fake thing. Oh fuck, that's I got to grab a keyboard. Good lord, Good lord, I've got to grab a keyboard. The end of the world. I will keep scolor. My life sucks, That's what I said, my canchhrase. All right, Mike Mary, Okay, okay, I'm gonna do tally stuff. All right, You're gonna write down a tea just you only need to post it notes or papers, just t or f and you will hold them

up appropriately. But when when you hold them up, hold them up so I can't see them, and you're gonna flip them so I know you're not doing any funny business. All right, Okay, wait well rip rip them out, Rip those papers out. It's a big like, that's my gamer, my journal, your gamer. What's your best cheat code in there? So I put in if Yeah, this is actually anytime like there is a

oh you guys, don't you guys don't have a gamer notebook? No, Jonathan Blow is pretentious, it's all the witness is cool, niking, it's very protectious. Look I have googly eyes on this one too. They're all over my apartment and yeah, yeah I got them, so Mary, Yeah, we need true and false to rip out two pieces of paper and have a T and an F. You got it, Bud, And I'm gonna ask the question. You're gonna hold it up, but don't show it to me. I'll do a three two one flip. Okay, oh good,

I'm gonna pronounce it my paper eating habits. But you'll you'll hold them up yea so you can see them. Yeah, yeah, they look good, but make sure you hold up the camera all right, ready, well, can you describe the rules again? So you're gonna say a thing and then what's going to happen. They're gonna be ten terms. I'm gonna say once. Let's say I say blimity, blobbity, and you're going to decide if it's true or false, a real or fake medical term, a medical like

condition, or just like a term of any medical meal. I don't know. We're going and we're all we're both blind, so even playing field, and you're gonna hold it up and then I'm gonna say three two one, you flip it over, and then I will tell you who's got it all. I'm in okay, all right? Number one hamosucius pancreatus pancrea, no prank pancreaticus, suckers hemo suckers pancreaticus. Where we have to decide whether this is true or falls real or fake? Oh medical term? Okay um,

okay? Three two one flip you both said true. It is a real term for bleeding from the ampula evator in the pancreas, which can occur in pancreatitus, tumors, or trauma. I don't want to do this. Quiz one the old trauma the crowd pleaser. All right, number two, you're tied. Uh how many are there ten with tiebreakers that we need them? Okay, ignis a fugium. Ignis a fugium. Yes, ignis a fugium. What if you're butchering the way they should be said? That doesn't sound

realistic to me. Three two one flipping Mike says false. Mary says true. It is a fake term. It is a Latin for fire escape. Oh I heard igness and I was like, what would fire be? Final fantasy thing? Right? Yeah? Body on fire? I will fire body end going into a hospital, Like, can you diagnose me? It's like, oh, you clearly have igness, you're on fire? You have what a right? Can you solve it? Yeah? Here's a bucket. Number three, here's a swimming pool. Number three is narrow pustulosis. Oh,

I hope it's not real. It sounds gross. Three two one flipping true form Mike true for Mary, You're both wrong. It's a fake term. But it would be terrible to accumulate pustules and your nervous systems. I thought you could have pus in your nerves. The thing is is I'm actually determining what some of these words mean. And I'm still wrong because I'm like, I don't know if like firebody isn't a real condition or neuropus, like this all seems reasonable? Yeah, who knows. Maybe we are three dis so

we should know what's reasonable medically. I believe yes. Number four, we have buck Dale's flower basket. Okay, three two, flip them? True and true. This is a real term, choroid plexus protruding through the foramannia of luksha and the brain. It is of no known significance. I will give points. You can have a protrusion from your brain and it's not significant. That seems I've played fan in pain that I played the Last of Us it was pretty significant. You don't want in your brain, all right?

Number five? Number five Trousseau's aberrant and astimosis real or fake? True or false? Say it again, Trousseau's aberrant and astimosis. Sorry, I just likes popping him. What's happening? I love the idea of one of like us, like, can you say the one more time? Oh? And it clarifies things Tau oh Trousseau the seventeenth century one all them, Madame Trousseau, wax build up, and they left ear canal confident three two one flipping.

Mike says false. Mary says true. It is a fake turn armand Trousseau was a famous nineteenth century physician who described superficial blood clotting as a sign of cancer. He would eventually eventually notice it in himself and die from gastric cancer soon after. Oh, imagine like noticing the thing you discovered and hypothesize and then dying from it. That's a weird way poetic. It's a terrible Yeah, it's ironic way to prove yourself right. Yea happen to Marie cy

determine radiation wasn't good for you. It's like when Lou Garrick discovered that disease and then okay, oculo gyric crisis, oculo gyric crisis. Okay, hold him up in for a penny, in for a pound? Three two one flip them do both say true. This is a real term denoting spasms of

eyeball, a movement into a fixed position which upwards. It does not even which ball, It does not even need to be Both eyes often showing profound asymmetry and discordination, horror movie stuff, a rare side effect of medications, most often like when you punch bald bull. Okay, all right, you both got it. Excellent bull stop. Tapis dorsalis dorsal dorsal is like tapis dorsalis. I don't know what tabis would be though. What is on this person's back? Tabbis cat? Um? I see your problem right here?

You have a cat for a back. Okay, anyway? Three two one flip them. Mike says false. Mary says false. But this is a real term, a condition. We're simple. This is so advanced that it spreads to the brain and spine, causing lack of coordination and frequent shooting pains in the extremities. I'm the stage. It's hard to go back from there. What then, um, I have been true this entire time. And if you guys know that I have said everything is true? No, you

did? You guess false on a couple of the net and this time I was like you did. I felt like this one was false. I knew it that I had an opportunity. Next up, hypertonic esthenia. I'm I'm too stupid for this quiz two one flip them Mike says false. Mary says false, This is a fake term. Being hypertonic implies increased muscle tone and reflexes, but esthenia is profound weakness. Thus they do not really occur together. Never say never in neurologic disease, though I guess I'm hypertonic. Gatto

dorsal fin you're just combining leads. It sounds like when like road Runner would show up, it would show the Latin underneath Latin Spanish. Let's go. That's a reference the kids get right Roadrunner from nineteen sixty. Okay, hello everybody, next top photos photo clonus. Okay, Mike, you're ready? Three two one flip. Mary says true. They both say true, but this is a fake term. But it would mean involuntary and rhythmic muscle contractions

caused by exposure to light. No, I just got the uh name, but the fucking the sneezing thing called Santos son sneeze come photo synthesis, BOT sneeze REFLEXOT sneeze reflex. That's what it is. You know what phrase I really liked that I often used to forget, but now I have committed it to memory. Is uh semitic satiation that might have actually wet rains. That's when you say a word enough where it stops having sounding like a word. I've done that with Joe Montana and him both had it and hung out.

No, I'm just like, for some reason, like Joe Montana and Joe Montana, like there was like a year where he was the Chiefs quarterback and I lived in Jame City and I was like Joe Montana, Joe Montana and Joe Montana is like, I don't think that's the name. I like the idea when you said I've done that with Joe Montana, I thought you meant you and him were hanging out, just saying like dark in Kansas City Sports TV. It's not fucking smoking a fat blunt with Joe montsal semantic satiation satiation

what alright? Final one formication formication You both stay true and it is a real term, which is the sensation that bugs are crawling on or under your skin when they do usually psychiatric, but like almost everything else, can be caused by medication or drugs too. That leads us to our final score,

which is Mike at seven, Mary at five. Nice. So there's one letter difference between bugs crawling under your skin and fucking, fucking, yeah, fucking and sucking, sucking, sucking fornication, and then it can be I assume fornication was just like the baby making thing. I think it is like full on yeah seconds, not fornication, right alde I have no idea is blow jobs fornications? Oh my gosh. It's actually more specific than I thought.

Sexual intercourse between people not married to each other once you get married, Mike, So, californication is sleeping with someone in California when you're not married. Yeah, that was the original title of that album. Yeah, yeow. And and then what's his name? Anthony Keats is like, something doesn't ring about it. We got to change this summs up with that guy.

I don't know about that key. This guy he read his U memoir or whatever automic That sounds interesting is his dad was like a famous actor right from memory. He had like an interesting upbringing, right like he lost his virginity to his step mom when he was super young and then did Heroin for the first time when he was fourteen. The thing he strikes me as a guy who's had a very like I'm not like I liked the Chili Peppers just fine. But he strikes me as to dud that's out of a story. Oh

he does. Yeah, scar tissue if you get the chance to read it. But he's a Rasslin fan, so I could talk to him, is he? Oh he's always friend wrote every fucking Summer Slam of the Stable Center or whatever. Yeah, under in La he's right there, finally enough flee the basis from Chili Peppers is in. I mean he's in a couple a few movies. He was also Donnie and Wild Thornberry's but he was in Babylon last year. Oh, Petis was in a point break. Yes, they're

both in Never see the Chase with Charlie Sheen there on that. Yeah. I like seeing them pop up the movies. All right, well I won Tonight. We have one more emailing. I'd saved it for after the quiz because its more of a sign off kind of. Last episode, episode forty seven, I asked people to write in if we have gen Z listeners. I got a bunch. Uh. This is from Za from the Allentown Billy Joel hates Hey Firescape crew. First off, I want to say you're all

are hilarious. Especially Mike. That's he definitely said that right there. You have an amazing chemistry and I love listening to the podcast weekly. I'm now going back through your older podcast and listening to them up until I hit when I started listening, I think I'm starting to blend your old ones do the new ones. Anyway, So I think you mentioned this last week or in

twenty twenty one. You weren't sure you hadn't anyone young listening to you, guys, I am twenty six, so I think I'm gen z take that for what it's worth. Married a job. I think I remember you saying something about Taskmaster. My wife and I fell in love with that show and Little Alex Horn, So if you recommended that, thank you so much. But lastly, I want to know what content you all made that you're really proud of. I want to go back and watch and listen to it.

I watched the video Mike and Lucy did with the Assassin's Creed Wine ranking and it was really funny. I tried looking for the Rocket League video Mary talked about with the devs, but I couldn't find it. And Dan, you were on a Pokemon podcast years ago, and that's surprising, but it was a nice surprise to listen to. I'm sorry this is so long, but thank you for the podcast, guys. One of my favorites, and I

can't wait for more to come. That was from Za from Allentown. H Yeah, I don't think the SEO on that Rocket League video was particularly helpful. It's game Spot. Hold on game Spot Rocket League. Um, I'm gonna say irl and hope it comes up. I'm actually not sure, hold one. I also find that, um, googling the word YouTube is better than going on game and sorry, game Spot, but I find that like googling lord YouTube and finding it through YouTube search algorithm will deal you better opportunity.

It turns out Google is a better search engine than every fucking site search engine. I feel bad, but that's the way it was, and I'm gonna find it. But yeah, like that that Lucy thing you did, I remember you sent that to me when you were done with it, and that was excellent. Which, Hey, if we're putting people over on this podcast, I also want to put over Lucy James. She's yeah killer, She's easy to be like yourself around on camera, yes, and also just

extremely good at her job and everything. Yeah, but never Lucy too. Well, yeah, we I was trying to think. Yeah, that was fun because it was like the day before Thanksgiving and we had finished everything we needed to like to publish over the long weekend and the following Monday. So then we're like, whoa Ubisoft sent these in? Didn't mean to get drunk,

but we did. Then they were like legit Assassin's creed like wines that Ubis and our right, Yeah, they sourced them obviously from they didn't make the wines. They just sourced other wines that people had made or I imagine we're just trying to trying to label and attached specific protagonists to each one. Nice. I think I remember liking the I'll tell her one. I'll tell her was the first guy, right, first Villa. Yeah, yeah, but Mary and I three of them. Yeah, that his trilogy. Mary

and I done Resident Knevil, which is so fun. Well. Also, I would recommend to say, if you want to do like something long form, you should watch Metal Your Scanlon. It's Drew Scanlon had never watched or played any of the Metal Gear games. Dan played them religiously most of them, so then the format of the newcomer playing the game while there's like the old Guard kind of walking alongside them for help, but also just color commentary.

Mary and I completely ripped that off with Resident Evil, and then I watched Metal. It's good format. It's weird thinking back now because no offense at all to either of you. I mean, I don't mean this in a harmful way, but like if you guys, I don't really just like keep up and watch your stuff. Like then Likewise, I don't watch anyone when I got when I got to San Francisco, the first move there, and it was you know, I think for most people it's pretty lonely time.

I also wasn't I still wasn't as close to you as I am now. Dan's I think maybe there was a bit more enough of a remove where I could watch Binge, Metal Gear Scanlon like while I was still getting set up in the new apartment. But yeah, that helped me move to That helped me during my transition period. But yeah, I think Red Resident knevels

long. But it's it's kind of like podcasting. A lot of people say they get attached to it just because it's Some people with your journey with us in five call it like comfort, you know, comfort watching because you can watch it casually over many, many, many many hours. And then after Resident Knevil, we did Dead Space and that's also very fun, and we

did the trilogy in that space. I also just want to say, for people who are interested in when we did Rocket League IRL, the name of the video, the reason it probably didn't do very well that the name of the video is the Ultimate Rocket League beat Down. And I don't know why it was titled that, but the idea is that we challenged the devs of

Pocket League to a match and then to prepare ourselves. We obviously like play the game a lot, but then we get a giant beach ball and we drive around in cars hitting the beach ball to be like to work on our skills. And it was Sean Oklin. It was super fun. We had a great time doing it. It's probably one of the funniest videos I think I've ever been a part of. I'm really proud of it. It's very funny. If you haven't seen it, go watch it. Because our producer

Jake has somewhat of a cameo that highlight multiple times. He is the star of that show and it's very funny running theme considering our Game of the Year with Judge Jake. You know he comes in and winds up upstaging everyone. Yeah, he really does. But that whole video is filled with like incredibly talented people. M Rob Hanleery's in it, who is so goddamn funny.

Um Chris Waters, who has a very good, like straight man face, you know, I'm talking about like where you're just like you're not laughing and you say something very funny and dry. Eric Tay is in it, and he was I would say, the best at Rocket League at the time, and so he was kind of our our like pinch hitter. He was like the one we were like, hey, if we're like in trouble, like do something. So like we all had a we all had something to say

in that video. I am a coach, so I just sit there and yell at everybody the whole time, which is something I was born for. Truly. Yeah, that video I'm very very proud of. I'm actually proud of a lot of stuff. I'm proud of. Playing all of the Silent Hills with Nina Marie, who's a streamer on Twitch. We played through all the Silent Hills together, very similarly, again a rip off of a ripoff. Nina coaches me through all the silent hills. She's so knowledgeable about that

series. But on top of that, she's a game designer, so quite often she would be like, here's what the game designers were attempting to do with this situation, and you can see like where it was successful and where they took risks here, and she she talks about games as we're playing them with such a nuance and an understanding that I could never And I was like, that guy has a pyramid for a head. And so if you like that type of dichotomy, you will love our banter. She's just fucking talking

circles over me. The it's very different tone. It's not like long form stuff. Jake and I did a video essay series work that's like where I get as close to pretentious as I get with video game coverage as I've got. It's called Reboot, but that's on game Spot channel. We did some really good stuff. That's where you did a lot of like war frame stuff and everything right under a different banner. So what we also documentaries as well.

Um the war Frame, what I would actually label is a documentary because a lot of that stuff that can blur the line between documentary and marketing. For this, Triple A studio that invited you into through their was Every fucking Game and Former cover Story Trip. Yeah, and I know how that goes. It's cool to get a glimpse into those studios. But like the phrase the word documentary, I think that is flexes the definition a bit too much. But for War Frame one, I think pretty proud of. I think

Jake is too. You were super heart that that was when you were in New York. Did well too, Like like a lot of those things you do as like a prestige things for the site, for the YouTube channel, and then you're like, all right, let's see how well we do. But it, yeah, it did well, which is like just cherry on

top. Um. We did some ones about our cane. There's a I told that might be an off mic thing they And there's been some times where the documentaries inadvertently pissed off some studios And I talked to Ben Anson about that. Stories Yeah, but not in like like a very specific thing. It's just like we titled I don't even think I can say this because I don't think those people are there anymore, but people in the PR stage of the

Arcane trilogy of videos we did, we ended up. I also had another person at GameSpot who's not there anymore, suggest a title to me that I told them straight up I didn't like, but they were my boss, so we had to go with the title. And then PR the next day where like, uh, prs like was pissed about the title because if you can look it up on games right now, it's from failure to fame, the

story of Arcane Studios right which, like they buy today's standards. I guess you could consider their early games quote unquote commercial failures, but like they were like, we were never failures, and I get there PR was saying. I was like, okay, I get that, Like I didn't have a say in the titling, which sucked to put all that work into something. And then someone else who doesn't know fuck all about video games comes in, like I almost just did the accent, which comes in and like what do

you call it this? I'm like, go on, who are you referring to me? Now? I'm not doing accents? Um, Oh sure, great, yeah, we'll call it that. I guess because you're gonna make me and then whatever. This is neither here there I need get in this episode either here nor there um. But yeah, go watch that stuff. I think if you're if it sounds zay like you're you're enjoying the going back through backlogs, I think you'll like Knevil, mental gear, Scandlin, Silent

Hill. What's silent Hills? Violent Hill? What's the name of the show, Um, not so silent Hill, not so silent Hills, violent? Yeah, let me explain it. You see. Yeah, good Mary. Going even farther back Dead Air. The podcast we did about horror. Oh, that was very funds about horror. The fucking person who recommended the arcane title hated that podcast title. Really Yeah. It was like it was like,

it sounds but it sounds like you're not going to be talking. I was like, that's the joke, talk like it just sounds like it's going to be boring. I'm like, no, it's clever. Yeah, it was good. It was good. That was more like kind of straight lace though, like we got we got more like clinical about horror, video games and movies and both. I was on one with it was a Halloween We

all watched Halloween at our house in the sunset. Yeah, the Halloween party yeah yeah, yeah, Tim's yeah yeah yeah, um so yeah that was fun. Jake was on that a bunch. Yeah. But yeah, there's an I played um uh way before when it got real pop in uh Stardy Valley many years ago. And Dan, I know you love that game too, yes, And I remember your video. Yeah. I was an early advocate for Stardy Valley and I made a video about how much I fell in

love with it. So I think there's probably a video on game Spot of me dressed up as a farmer digging in the dirt talking about how cathartic it is. And I love that video. I also love that I was able to make it. Shout out to Jake Decker, who was the shooter for that video. Jake and I worked on several on several different videos together, and I loved working with him. Still do you do the rooftop one for Mirrors? Did Mirror's Edge as well, where I ran on a roof like

pretending that I was cool and did the Mirror's Edge video. But like, we did a couple videos that I really love, but I think the starting one is close to my heart because I still actually play that game for a piece of mind, Like to this day, it is my like I'm having a really hard time. I would like to do something that just calms me. Starty Values is that game for me? And I knew it ages ago, and so I made a video about how it's good for your mental health,

and I'm proud of that video for what it does. But I also think it's cute. Haunted chocolate tiers this year, right at some point, Oh, I'm so excited the idea. Yes, same dude. Oh no, you're making chocolate in a haunted mansion. I mean, how fucking good is that? Do you remember? Like in starting and you're just like, I guess i'll be a farmer whatever, I don't have anything else to do today, And all of a sudden you're like, what are They're fucking aliens?

Like, oh shit, is there like secrets in the tunnel system in here? What is this? What is this guy doing in the trash at night? And you start like freaking out. This one's called haunted Chocolate tear, so like you already know that in addition to being like I think I'll make troubles today, that there's fucking ghosts in the nougat Get Daddie here, Iman has no release date. It feels it's so excited though, like they they announced, you say that, but I said the same thing. I

get like, you're break your heart. You guys will put your clown nose on now you get that excited about a release date. Yeah. The thing that gives me hope is Maddie Myers got Metroid Prime remastered today. She has had like the shell for that article ready in chorus for every Nintendo direct for maybe. I mean, I've only been a Polygon editorial for two years. From what I've heard, that's been like ready to go for like probably going

on sixteen eighteen directs. Feel I feel partly responsible for Jeff Grub not having hair right now or not having long hair, because it was I knew that Metroid Primary Master was coming out, and it definitely was scheduled for twenty twenty two, and so I'm talking to Grab and I was like, yeah, it's definitely happened, and so he says, it's definitely happening on thing. I'll cut my hair if it doesn't happen. It got pushed a few months and he had to cut his hair and then it got like, ohda today

he really got sucked over on that one. Jesus. Yeah, because yeah, because the right on the boarder of twenty twenty two, twenty three. Yep. Um. Yes, anyway, thank you, sah, thanks for listening to us. I got some old stuff I could point people to. Yes, sorry, maybe they haven't seen. Uh oh. The serious one is my anxiety book. I'm really amazed at the amount of people that still message me and up to me about the book I wrote about my anxiety dis

orders and stuff like. That's I so rarely do serious stuff, and so I am very thankful whenever I hear that, like, oh, somebody got into meditation or worked out or you know, it was in a better place now than before because of the books. So that that that's probably for real. That's probably like the number one thing, because that actually like changed lives and wasn't me just like farting into a microphone for a while, but dumb old stuff that people maybe haven't seen. That is, I believe, still

up on YouTube. And I think all of this I can think been Hanson for as far as like doing the like legwork on it smashed a Guinness Record documentary is a documentary Hanson made about us doing our fighting game World record where me Jeff gork been Rey using Tim Terry played Smash Brothers for thirty hours.

Hanson did an amazing job with a documentary there. One of the first dumb gimmick things I ever did at Game Informer when I just utilized, like people have heard of Game Informer, I'll try to get some like famous people to

do a thing. Is there were some like controversy over when Connect first came out Microsoft Connect that like oh, based on like height and skin color and all these different factors like Connect can't recognize you or if you're you know, big or in certain shapes and stuff like that, And so I made a video where it's like can Connect recognize you if you are Guar and if you're

not familiar with Guar, they just reward. This is back when Odor Sarungus was live Rest in Peace and they came by Game Informer and we're super game for like I had them do Dance Central and so I had like Guarre doing Lady Gaga Dance Central and shit, and with their like swinging weird mutant ball sacks and everything, like with the thermal vision. It was incredible. It was like fucking thirteen years old now. But I love that Peter Molanu fart

thing. That's that's still the best thing I've ever made in the fact that I can keep a straight face through a lot of stuff. But that was like a master class when I realized that he was fully game for it and understood what was funny. And Molannews is going into stuff about wanting to like hear a fucking seventeen year old Brazilian gymnast fart, and he's not. He's

not breaking at all. I'm like, well, I can't be the one who fucks this video up by breaking, even though he's saying the funniest shit possible. But one that I don't think people have heard of and I haven't talked about much is I just looked it up. It was after me and Tim had left Game Informer. He came back he was a Capcom employee and they did a super Replay, which is a show that we started where it was like, it's basically just a full play through of a game, and

it's Resonval four and it was the sixth episode. So if you want to find this, it's Resident Evil six, Super Sorry Resueval four Super Replay Episode six, and as far as Tim knew, he was in town and he was just for a couple of days. They were going to play through all of resonval four, and randomly in the middle of it, ME and Hansen set this thing up where I was living in San Francisco or New York at

the time. I was live on the line, and Tim didn't know this, and we tried to trick him into thinking that since we'd done all these replays together and super replays together, that they had a soundboard of me, and so I was just like yeah, yeah, And I was just trying to say things the same way every time to sound like I was a soundboard that, like Hanson was triggering, triggering, but I was actually live on the line, and I keep just slightly changing it a little bit to make

it a little more specific to Tim's situations in the game. It's like when he's fighting those three nights in the castle and resume before and I say, like, nice work, and then he's fighting nights and then I go like night's work, and he's like wait a minute, Like you could hear them who literally doesn't know what's going on that, like, I am fucking with him so much. So it's it's the sixth episode. Just listen to it.

I saw in the comments. It sounds like it starts around twenty three minutes when I start coming in. But I am just severely fucking with Tim, and he is genuinely just flustered and has no idea what the fuck is going on for for a while until we reveal that I'm actually on the line. So that's a fun one that I don't think a lot of people saw. Okay, I want to watch that. Yeah, Tim's he's great man. Man that old crew. Ye look, I've heard all these people,

Well, everybody'll be together in October. October. Oh oh yeah, yeah, Oh you got a lot of cool friends. Cool. Yeah, you do have a lot of cool friends. I also think this kind of like going down memory lane a little bit, does kind of remind me of how ridiculous and absurd and kind of joyous our lives were. I think you forget a lot of times in the Yeah, I mean they still are pretty crazy.

What you just said is is indicative of the thing that's tough, is like you don't realize that when you're in it you know, you you never know they're the good times until that it's gone. Yes, exactly, but but you're right, like you're sorry, you go on, I cut you off, please. I think I think we were so stressed about getting things done by embargo and worrying about, you know, how someone was going to

react or if something was going to get views. We forgot to kind of always making making fifty thousand dollars a year in San Francisco also made things a bit more stressful. Yeah, I did. Mic was about to move and right next door to me, and you had just gotten hired as like what associate editor or something editor, But it was still like you can't do it. I was like, oh, I can't do one bedroom by myself yet

you were gonna be solo. I had two roommates at the time. Yeah, yeah, anyway, sorry, yeah, but no, Mary, it was it was stressful in the moment, like just any job can be, but especially like we did not have healthy working hours. We were pretty miserable.

Um but like I look at these videos, I'm very proud of them, but like, oh god, yeah, I was jealous of you guys because like when you guys were both in the office you were right on the other side of that wall, and I would hear you guys playing Rocket League, you know, after like work, like work, I were typically into the like six and I would hear you guys and Rob and Eric, Tay and and Secker and just everyone just like yelling and hooting and home are just

playing games, like clearly just for fun, hanging out with brands. And I were saying, like, man, that was like that's how I remember like Game in Former being it was like this mand with it. We come in on the weekend, like, oh, Gears three just came out, Let's bring our xbo is in and let's play poor Player co op and just suck around in the office. Like it felt like Game Spot of that era

kind of had that type of like family environment. No matter how much stress and bullshit there was work wise or whatever, you guys are still a bunch of doors that love video games. Yeah, we were like comfortable in the office, probably to a fault, but it's still super fun. It was. It was good though, and like all the Kate O'Brien's knights and everything like that, if they were like the shitty times where they were like layoffs and stuff like that, and everybody just like you know, meets up at

Kat O'Brian's and just have some drinks talk about the good time. I haven't even been back to San Francisco since that place closed, and I still miss it. Yeah. I was never game spot, but like I always looked at you guys as like, man, that's that's kind of like how we out of the game in form like that, it seems like a family who was dealing with some bullshit and uh but but but like they the workers are really like you know, yeah, they're close and they love each other.

Yeah, we do. It's a family for sure. But thanks ay um, Well, we already kind of plugged what we're doing. Yeah, I mean, I've got stuff at Polygon. Dan, you're over a Giant bomb. You've us got your twitch channel, twitch dot tv slash Dan Ryker. Mary You've got twitch dot tv slash Mary spelled like Mary Christmas Kish, Mary Kish right, twitch dot tv slash Mary Kish. That's correct Sadian though, just to make sure start tv slash Mary Kish was close to Mary Kesh.

Yes, it comes out I thought that in Mary kishmis are my two claims to fame. Yeah, we'll be back on episode kind of other things. Say it, say it until you have that issue, Dan future as of as of right now, when this episode goes up, we know who won the super Bowl, but we don't right now. Boy, I can't wait for my hometown Kansas City Chiefs, who I grew up watching every week. I actually did, but now can't name anyone outside of the famous quarterback,

but I do hope they would. Um. Yeah, we'll be back with episode forty nine in a couple of weeks. That'll be on February twenty seven. It's a leap year this year. No, it's not. What is it tent three? Yeah it's not. Yeah, that's not leapier at all. Don't do odd leap eers? No, is there not? I guess there is never oddly Oh it's oh four eight two like the World Cup. Yeah, coming up on episode fifty next episode, and probably have a shit ton of games to talk about. Yay, Yeah, we could talk about

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So you don't hear us talking about talking about butcher Box this week, which I would love talking about because it's awesome. But yeah, it's over Mike. But there's also a tier for video episodes. If you could see, uh, you can see what was it Mary doing? You could see Dan's nostrils right now, that's important, right, can see my handle of your handle of vodka that I've been using to fill this cup throughout the episode. Oh, I got my mail, Beck, Look at this. You

can see my camera whipping around here. Everyone shows, everyone show their drunks. Okay, let's do that. Let's do that. I actually wait, No, that's a terror. Look Troy pretentious. Fuck. Oh, this motherfucker drinking water. I don't want my tapwater from New York City. I need flinch water. Tap water in New York's like the best tap water in the way. But he's not enough for me. I wanted. I was gonna do some whiskey, but I have to get up pretty early tomorrow,

so I refrained. He's got a spot day tomorrow. I'm oh, I didn't tell you guys. I'm going to see a Fellowship of the Ring at Radio City Music Hall, as accompanied by an orchestra for the soundtrack. I'm sorry, I'm gonna fucking killed you. You can if you offered me two hundred bucks to do that. Okay it there's a lot of people who just heard that. In there, jealous, there's an orchestra playing the soundtrack to the movie. It's sounds Get sick. Yeah, that's a metal gearing concert.

That's art man. Fuck you. Okay, we'll be back episode forty nine in two weeks. You could have been anywhere in the world tonight, but you chose to hang out with us. We'll see you guys that night. They could be during the day. They're probably like driving the naked and cozy. If you watch us in the a m send us a picture of

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