Fire Escape Cast #128

What do you know? Robert Lowe. We are back with the fire Escape Cast. It's episode one hundred and twenty eight. I'm Mike Maharty, your host is always here with Dan Riker. Why are you laughing?

Oh? Just I just think you're a funny guy, Mike.

Thanks, Harry Kish.

It gets me every time.

Hi, Mary? Hi?

What did I do?

No? You just you continued a different sentence. I thought you'd say hi to me, But it's fine.

It gets me every time. And I and how do you do? Michael?

That doesn't rhyme?

What's going on? I was about to say Stanley Kwan and that's just a guy that worked at CBS Interactive like ten years ago. This doesn't work. No, no, no, that's why I can't do improv. But what improv part of that party?

Michael Maharty.

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There's gotta be something with don't don't help me with this? What's going on? Michelle Kwan?

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Timothy Dalton that kind of works. It's the stupidest thing. Let's restart. Jake cut all this.

Yeah, got everything.

No, we're back. It's episode one d and twenty eight. You guys, I'm not gonna be here next episode, but you guys are. You're prepping for the New Orleans trip, which I didn't get invited to.

Oh oh yeah, yeah, No, no, no, we never. We should have brought that up, Mary. We should have asked him to come.

It's an awkward topic for to start the podcast.

But yeah, a bunch of a bunch of people that are coming know Mike and our friends with them too. It's really why do we blank on him?

It's my fucking I'm.

Forgettable and I don't want him there. I'm doing a birthday trip. I invited a bunch of peeps. Mike, you are going on so many different work trips in the next few weeks, and I just think the scheduling was too much to bear.

Oh yeah.

Nevertheless, all of my true friends will be in Nola for my birth, which is really lovely, and so I'll be partying it up. We'll be We'll pour one out for our homie.

I might drink an alcoholic drink and I might be there any way and just go to all the same restaurants as you and sip by myself at a nearby table.

If you pop out of a cake naked.

Oh yeah, fully access to the Google sheet I made. He doesn't know where we're going to be.

What's holding that cake? Guck my boner? Guapo?

Why did you name your boner.

Because it's handsome? What else would it mean? A handsome ship came to New Orleans? Escape him?

I don't think that's going to work for him. As as Angels three, Guapo goes to New.

Orleans played by Timothy Dahtong.

Timothy dull Dong.

Yeah, I'm gonna a Warriors game on Sunday.

It would be cool if you mm hmm and masson.

Square Garden against the Knicks. Okay, Steph Curry is injured though, I'm not going to see him, but I'm still excited to see the Warriors and it'll be fun to be in a next game and Medison Square Gardens see Spike Lee on the sidelines say something insulting about do the right thing.

But I've been at MSG with you, right.

Yes, we talked about last episode the wrestling we got locked.

Out, that's right. Yes, Chad wouldn't let us back in, that's right, yes, yes, yeah, I don't think I've been to MSG for a non wrestling thing. Now.

I've been in for concerts before. Jake and I went and saw Portugal to man who else? I saw a few, but yeah, I've never been there for basketball or hockey, both of which are played there.

It's where the Godzilla babies were born in that movie.

Which one that's actually low key.

I like that movie.

I have fond memories of it. That soundtrack, it's a fun cast Matthew Broderick and his area. Yea, and yeah, it's it's kind of fun.

Was the one with the first with Green Day, the song Doukie and the credits.

I'm pretty sure no, the credits were the like Cash Mirror by Zeppelin, but with puff Daddy.

How do you know that's such specific details about this ridiculous film, Dude.

They had Rage against the Machine on the soundtrack. They had Puff Daddy doing that Zepplin cover with Jimmy Page, which is terrible. It's a hell of a soundtrack.

It's a great well cut Sward green Day was in there somewhere. Look this up because this might be like, this might be a villa.

It's a oh they Yeah, they did brain stew brains like Green Days.

They probably yeah a diddy guy, aren't you dan?

No, that's up letting rage against the Machine? I was? I was, I was.

You loved that soundtrack?

I did love the soundtrack. It was weird seeing Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy ONESNL doing that song. But led Zeppelin's very good.

Was Dukie was brainstew on Dukie? The album? Mary? Do you know remember? I?

I think so because that was their banger album.

Yeah, it has to be. I believe they was on Dukie or was it said it was from ninety five? There's no way Dukeie was like early.

Nineties, was follow up Soft or Slump?

It was on Insomniac their studio album.

I don't even think I bought that album.

I wait, I was waiting. I was born waiting for American Idiot.

After September eleven. American Idiot after September eleventh. Brain Slew was one of the big list of songs that you couldn't play on the radio.

Really did they mention the twin towers in the song?

I don't know that weird? They were really they were really casting a wide net with the songs during that that was a huge band list for a while.

What's it the what is a biggie? Like? He talks about the first the parking garage bombing.

Oh, the world people blow up like the World Trade.

Yeah, trying to get paved up like the World Trade, And people are like, how did he fucking know? Like there was a whole other thing before.

It was also a very famous terrorist attack. Yeah.

Yeah, they kind of just got usurped a bit in the headlines.

That turn from Godzilla to nine to eleven.

What I don't know, big giant buildings.

And that Godzilla movie was set in New York, so it's not the wildest thing. I guess.

Yeah, I've I've seen I saw that way back in the day, and then I saw the one with Brian Cranston when they do the Halo jump. I liked that one.

I saw that one.

Yeah, that was the Garrett Edwards, the one who was good. He was slated to do Rise of Skywalker, but then J. J. Abrams took back over. Okay, I might be talking his name.

Those are the ones. Two got Zilla movies I think I've seen in full where the Brian Cranston one and the Matthew Broderick one. I just went to go You Got Zyla Minus one after our live show in LA and I fell asleep because it was a very busy day.

Minus one is so good. But I think the Matthew Broderick one, if you can just let go of reality, you have to really let it go. You have to accept that it is a silly movie for silly people. It's a good ride.

It was made by the Independence Day guy. It's like, I don't really know what people were expecting, like it was gonna be a big, dumb summer blockbuster.

I think they were expecting a better movie. Like I think Independence Day is like a slam dunk. It is ridiculously good and this Godzilla movie is not in.

Independence Day is definitely better. It's much much better. Speaking of nine to eleven and movies with New York you can.

Talk about this is why I host transitions to me, I don't know how to transition that we're talking about terrorist attacks. I'm not sorry, Yeah, yeah, continue, I'm so my interest is piqued. Ye.

Yeah, she does involve nine to eleven and New York. Weirdly enough, Gangs of New York Bank and I watched that.

Recently.

Yeah, we watched it like last week.

Do you mind me asking? Is that the first time since your anxiety attack?

Yeah? It actually is shit, Okay, yeah, yeah. My first thing is that that's a very specific thing you remember there. Yeah, that was my.

Favorite motherfucker published author on my podcast. I'm familiar with his overlaw that.

Yeah, my first panic attack was in the climax of Gangs of New York. So it was interesting. Turned to bok happening attack.

Was also during a climax. Sorry sorry, sorry, so sorry you and BOK watched it.

Yeah, so there was a part of the end there's like a good five or ten minutes. Who was like, oh this is when I was sitting on the toilet and I thought I was gonna die. I didn't know what was happening. But have you guys seen this movie?

Yeah, a few times. I don't like it.

It's I don't. We walked away from that being like it should be so much But it's a Scorsese. It's Daniel day Lewis, who was like, definitely the best part of the movie. He's just having a lot of fun. Is build a Butcher. But it's like it's the Cap Johnson, who the guy who made Ado lessons that just want a golden globe for that. He's one of the gang guys. But it's like it should be so much better than it is. It's over long, it's trying to do too much shit. If it was just a revenge story, it'd

Yeah, it shows that it doesn't it show like a modern day It's the Tombstone's still there. In Brooklyn looking at the towers in this it's overground.

I actually think that that SHOT's pretty sick, just like the super fast motion cameras of showing the building of time lapse.

I kind of remember, just kind of fade, cross fade. Yeah, yeah, camera.

Set up Scorsese's crossfade.

What a crazy, crazy director move to have a go pro.

In the fucking crazy thing about that shot and why it's so famous. They actually had to put a camera there back in the like seventeen hundreds and it had to record until two thousand and two or whatever.

That's our joke.

We were just doing that.

We were making about them putting the go pro there and how ridiculous it would be to do that in the eighteen hundreds. Are you on this podcast?

Yeah, I don't really pay attention to what you're saying. That'd be a funny bit, though, if I just repeat the joke every time right after you. I don't like that movie though.

You know what's crazy is they actually went back in time to put a camera back.

Joke. That's my fucking joke.

That remind me because I get this mixed up because I remember that was kind of controversial because that was that came out in like, you know, late O two, So it was like one of the first movies, big movies to kind of even reference the Twin Towers or anything.

Watching Risky Take Everything Out.

Yeah, But then I also remember I was trying to remember, like, is this the movie that has like a weird rat at the end, and it's like, no, That Departed, which is also Scorsese, And was that also the skyline of Newark or was that.

Just a separate Boston courthouse in the background.

Boston and they just did a CG rat?

Oh is the rat not real? I didn't know that.

I just remember people talking about hating a CG rat. So that's another one I want to go back to, Is That Departed? Because I remember loving That Departed?

Still awesome. We we rewatched that movie pretty often. Okay, okay, after you watch that, it would be a fun thing if you watched Infernal Affairs in the movie at the Yeah, I think so, yeah, that is based on I remember watching that.

I like that they made a few of those. Yeah, I've always been curious about that.

Gas to New York. To your point, though, it was always that movie, one of those movies by him that I really really tried hard to like but just couldn't, like stylistically, even during the fight scenes, it's got that like blur effect that I'm like this.

Fast motion, very oh two kind of Yeah, it's weird.

Like when you when I learned that was your first panic, Like, I guess I wasn't that surprised because that movie really is like not a pleasant it's excessful. It's not a one to one thing with the panic that but like I remember, like, oh that kind of hung on the.

There's like some tortury kind of stuff too, like the guy it's like hung on the fence. Like it's kind of like I don't want to watch that for a long period of time.

I mean it could be for other people. For me, my anxiety is never like triggered by something like that. It's always just like it's more like being in a movie. And like like I remembering Center Row like opening night, and I couldn't get out of that. I couldn't easily leave, And that's when I started feeling there's nothing in the movie. But it did happen the next week or two because Lord of the Rings Two Towers came out, another long movie.

The idea of comparing Gangs of New York to any of the Lord of the Ring. Jesus, I don't Eve think you're gonna get mirked on the street these days.

On a good day. Gangs in New York is a three out of five star on letterbox. It's better than any Lord of the Rings by far.

That's insane.

The Lord of the Rings is the only movie that actually holds up to its run time where it's actually like it makes sense that everything is so long because there's such thick books for you to understand all of the fantastic detail of why these characters are the way they are. There's no reason to have a twenty minute scene where Cameron Diaz pickpockets people.

That could have been done in ten seconds.

It could have just been showing her pickpocket once, but they had to show her on a fucking bus or whatever it is, and she had to go into Firsta's house and pretend to be a nurse or whatever.

It doesn't.

Stupid.

And I'm even going like I will even say I just don't think she was very good in that role.

I don't.

I don't.

I think there are times when, like Cameron Diaz is a completely reasonable actress, not in that much she does not do she nails it in the mask. She doesn't nail this part, like she just I don't buy it.

I was kind of talent bonk that where it's like it is a weird thing because like I feel like she got really big around that time for doing like kind of just fun like you know, Charlie's Angels. She was always like a very just like everyone likes her, but it's never in like super challenging roles. She was never the like Oscar bait movie type thing, you know. And this was her kind of like out of her

That's really hard to out act those masters. But I actually believe that the reason Cameron Diaz was not able to be in all of these really important films is because she's so damn tall, and I think she makes all of her co stars look like little shrewd boys, and they don't like that. And there's only so many apple boxes in Hollywood to shove all these men on, So I think they give them to tiny women.

Eyes white shut with Nicole Kidman, didn't they and Tom Cruise didn't they have to? Like, wasn't that like half the production efforts went into making him not that much shorter than.

Her, elongating his stunted legs, And yeah.

I believe it caused their divorce.

Did you hear did you hear the story though? Where? Apparently? Uh much of the production was dedicated to it long and it led to their divorces.

I love coming. You guys were talking about the rat.

I was like, can you believe that Scorsese became that rat for one day to get that shot?

Then I was like, that's not very funny.

I didn't say, I just go for it.

You have like all these I'm just like hindered by these concerns of not being funny or smart, and you're just not burdened by these weights.

No, I want to challenge it. Mary said something interesting about a movie that earns its run time, and talking about Lord of Arn has been three hours, I'm like, I'm looking at lists, like I'm trying to think of good examples of ones that are like, yeah, that should have been three hours. Like I remember that second Avatar being very fun in the theaters.

I think, wait, are you saying it should have been longer?

Or are you just saying it doesn't feel like Gangs in New York felt unnecessarily long?

It's unnecessary.

I remember I only saw it once in imax. I felt like Oppenheimer earned its h No. I like the movie Appenheimer, but I remember like the pacing was very weird because the last thirty minutes were all that trial, which I realized that's what the movie was building toward. But it did feel like, oh man, this is kind of a come.

Down yemer iris hours.

I'm like an irishman apologist, but even I would say that movie is too long?

Are are are three hours and seven minutes? I remember that it was a lot of fun pretty much the whole time. I don't I saw that.

Could justify it.

Apocalypse now is apparently over three hours. That was fucking fantastic directors.

The over like three hours ones are like these weird cuts that like I hate those cuts. They actually does fuck up the pacing. The theatrical cut of Apocalypse Now is not that long, and that's definitely the best one.

The Blade Runner has all the different ones, I don't think Blade Runner ever got close to three in any of them. Though.

Yeah, there's not a sound like Brave Heart. I remember anytime I remember like a movie coming in two VHS's like Titanic and Brave Heart, Like I wonder how Brave Heart holds up, just because it's like I just watched.

It because I bought the double VHS for my fucking CRT and it's shockingly long and it's so funny that it's just like he like is like you killed my wife and then it just goes to black and.

It's like the second half.

Or is it like very like nineties like it would be like at Dances with Wolves or something back then. It's very important and good.

You know, it's trophy because it did things before. I think it was a joke to do things like that, right, Like I think I I was kind of shocked to see all these these moments that I believe inspired Game of Thrones, and I said that like out loud a couple times where I was like, oh, I think that the Game of Thrones. People watched this movie and we're like, we got to do a scene just like this with the action shots and the war shots. Very very well done.

He's like, that's my laf.

It's weird.

Would take.

Where he says they'll never take my freedom.

I remember Killers of the Flower Moon. I thought that was way too long.

That's what I think. One of the only movies I've fallen asleep in the theater for outs.

Granted, I saw a ten o'clock showing and that went till one am, and I had like six streaks before him, and.

That movie is too long, and I think that even though it is an important subject matter, I think.

It is just absolutely exhausting.

And there's an entire additional scene that's like and now it's a play, and it's just like shut up, Like you don't need to make all these additional scenes to hammer home your point.

It's some good old like The Deer Hunter, the Godfather Part two like those those are good, are good, the bad and the ugly. That's fantastic, Like a bunch of old ones could pull it, pull it off.

Oh yeah, good Godfather Part two for sure.

Seven Samurai Yeah.

Seven Samurai, seven Samurai good. Like the first like half of that movie is them actually like training the village and setting up the defenses, and then the second half is like the actual defense And shit.

Are we truly confident that that movie couldn't have been shaved down by like twelve minutes though?

Seven Samurai or Godfather Part two or are you making a point that nothing should be three hours?

I just think it's really difficult to justify every minute over three hours. That is a long time to make humans sit and focus people's attentions.

Man, we're probably better during Godfather Part two.

They have to pee.

Yeah, the Avengers in game is over three hours. Jesus fucking tries.

No way that earns it.

One that I do think is an interesting concept is Grindhouse, which is a double features.

Different and it is a different event.

That's because it's an event and it has an intermission, and it's like go pee, reset, get a drink, and come back for a second fun film.

That's sick. The trailers and everythinglers before the second movie.

Like trailers.

That was.

That was a great time. That was awesome.

Yeah, I hateful eate the was is very long I've been does not know. I can't.

That should not have been as long as it was.

You know what movie has grown on me a lot is Once upon a Time in Hollywood I watched I like that movie quite a bit now it's find it hilarious.

Yeah, and I didn't super love it the first time. I should see it again because I like everyone in that Yeah, wall Street, I remember that being I always.

Had good cocaine, adult energy.

Yeah, it makes sense.

Anyway. But yeah, it's a various point, like you should not aim for that one.

I don't think they shouldn't.

I think that this is an example of a director who's just so important and make such wonderful things that no one has the guts.

To be like do you need to keep that scene?

I just feel like they have no one wants to mess with scorc And Scorsese is on this list a lot.

This dude makes long aspects the Irishman. What was that like closer to four or something like that.

He is just like someone tell him to you know.

Who's going same with like James Cameron, Like, who's gonna fucking oh every one of the top grossing movies of all times is one dude? You didn't tell him how to cut his movie.

I assume that's how he responds to the PA that says, hey, are you sure you need this scene? He's like, oh, you're gonna tell the person who makes the most top grossing movies of all time that they need to shave ten minutes.

And to be honest, fair, I mean, he's got a pretty good argument. You know, it's pretty bullet brou I.

Have to pee James Cameron.

The irony is Scorsese has a very famous editor that he's worked with for like years and years now. Uh, Thelma, Thelma scoon Maker like and she's known for thrashing stuff. But when she works with him, Yeah, I don't know what that relationship is.

Like, can I say something that is a bit ironic? I think that our podcast often goes into the three hours oh no, And I wonder if some of our listeners are like.

You know, no, you should hear the rock cuts. The rock cuts are seven hours, like yeah, cuts it down like.

Thelma. Yeah, he has to get in there and get his hand instantly editing.

But nothing from me, God, damn.

It, get you spit gold everything.

That was my pedigree.

I'm with the biggest uh run times of all podcast history. Will fucking touch a minute of what I say. Also, unlike a movie where it's like you're in the theater, you're actually meant to listen to this on the toilet, like.

Go nuts, you want to go on a run, take a shirt, drive somewhere.

Yeah, yes, scratch away.

Not doing that. During the Irishman, Yeah you park your you took us wherever it needs to be. I was aur I saw Marty's course says he's a cameo and I'm working on the Sopranos now and there's a part where like Christopher's waiting to get into a club and he's like, you know the line or whatever. Then Marty like pulls up in a limo and they let him

Uh what a Chrissy says, like, hey, mean Streets loved it like that.

It's a good cut. Yeah, mean Streets. By the way, I forget Mary, have you seen Springs? I forget? I know I brought it up recently.

This is the show that I have quit several times. I have started it like four times. I think it's great, but every time, somewhere around season two, I.

Just fall off.

Okay, okay, we're going. I assume Mike, I'm supposed to fucking hate Christopher, right, He's a fucking dumb ass.

So the show. The show is incredible because, like the running joke is that by your third rewatch, the show becomes the comedy at watching.

Yeah, yeah, I just watched the one where Christopher's trying to help Adriana like set up the like music producing career.

Oh that that whole plot line yeah with oh yeah, his uh what's the song up? Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, don't be so gay. It's really stupid.

Yeah, it's really what's their names? Because yeah, the guys are ranking about yeah, the ranting about how the Beatles are. You're sick of hearing about the Beatles.

Yeah, used to be the Filer was the band and they changed, and we're.

Coming to defile, defile you. I hate it sounds like making with me.

It sounds it sounds like it's an always sunny episode.

That comedy aspect of it, Like I'm laughing frequently. And this is like the old music producer because, like Christopher, the young mob guy's girlfriend, they come into a bunch of money basically, and she wants to become a music producer, and so he's trying to fund it. And she's like, oh, this band of this guy I know is like so good and they're playing these demos and everything and it's just the worst ship you've ever heard.

And my producer wants to hook up with her, so he's flattering her, thinking she had taste.

All these idiots that are all these stupid, enabling terrible taste. Yeah, I just died. When they take it the hash, you know, the old music producer guy and he's listening to it and he just goes, yeah, it's uh it's not good.

It's like he's like, he's like, there's some some songs are hits. Yeah, you know when you hear it this it's not a hit. And then at the end of the episode they come back to it. I forget what It's like a third Eye Blind song is playing at the at the bar and he's.

Like, that's a hit.

That's a hit.

Yeah. I love the show so much. I can already tell him.

Oh my god, dude, I'm trying to think. So that's what season three.

I have two episodes left in season one.

Oh my god, that's that early Jesus Christ. Okay, yeah, so you haven't. There's some all timers. I'm sure you've heard of, like reference like the Pine.

I've heard that references like Pine Barns and stuff like that. I really don't have a lot of I know a couple of scenes that are Fancus. Yeah, and that was the most conversial thing in the world back then. But yeah, yeah, I'm just loving it.

The show gets so much, like, so much funnier and also, yeah, Pine Barrens, I would love to watch that with you because it's the funniest forty minutes of entertainment. I've ever scene in my life. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that show. But I remember we rewatched it last year, and there's certain characters I fucking couldn't stand the first few times I watched it, like Olivia Tony's mom, she's awful.

Oh sure, I love Junior. Junior cracks Man.

Oh yeah, Junior's hilarious.

The one where he's so afraid that people are gonna find out that he goes down on his girlfriend. Yeah, it's incredible. He's like deadly serious, but he's like wanting to put hits out on people, but don't tell anyone about that.

And then Tony and him are having the feud and Tony's getting ready to TF on the golf course. He's fucking he's like south of a bought. Uh, just like, what what the fuck did he say?

I have no idea.

Give another suck because I've started it a few times too, and this is like it's like a call salting with me, where it's like everyone's told me forever it's good. I've start a better call sault like two or three times before I finally just sat down, like I'm gonna fucking watch this show.

Yeah you know I can't half watch it.

Yeah.

I think that's what's fucking with me because we are in a We're in a time where it's so easy for me to get my little switch or my Steam deck and play a game, and when I do that with certain shows, they lose me and that is unfortunate. And I think that is what happens each time I try and watch this.

It's just sometimes it's a little slow, but it is.

But I think it's important. I mean it's it's uh that is Bonkai are treating it like when we watch movies, which is like hard rule, like we've never look at our phones, no text, which have I brought it up on here before? How I feel and like I'm not insane about this right, Like I brought this up on a giant bomb where it's like, oh yeah, when we watch movies, it's like neither of us like phones are day are away and every like I am on an

It's just like, oh yeah, I have.

Every fucking time we do.

That, I appreciate it. And not only do I support you, I appreciate you fighting the good. I do the same thing. I like Amanda, will occasion for're getting like a text because we're still technically like there's people working late or something. Then that's different. But like generally speaking, no, I don't look at my phone while we're watching something like I don't know I I if I'm I cheat, I'm unwinding. At the end of the day, I don't want to keep paying it. I don't give you shit different.

I know exactly why you're doing what you're doing, and I think it's better for your brain and it's better for your ability to focus and watch what's going on. I I don't know how to describe it, but there is there is a serotonin that you can get from having like three devices on at the same time that's kind of like overwhelmingly relaxing.

That is a different things and we do that too, and I get that because it's like I'll put on like a comedy.

Pad phone and I have like three different things and I can watch any of them at any time.

And we'll certain like games and show combos will do that where it's like, let's say, like there's a new like Chris Fleming special in nh FBO. I've been curiously to check them out for a long time. Oh so

It's an excuse for multi device and I think that you kind of like drinking. It's like addictive to have lots of screens and it's like all these people vying for my time.

I'm so popularly took up my phone. But I can also look at Netflix.

And I can also look at my game, and I have like so much to give all these different things, and I find that relaxing. But I will concede the amount of times that I've missed an important plot point in a movie that I was looking forward to because I wasn't fully.

Paying attention as a bummer.

And the movies that I remember liking the most is when I go to a movie theater.

And I sit down and it is all of my attention.

And so I think you are you're like respecting the media more by doing what you are doing. I will make a sad case for multi screen. Uh, I don't know, like you're just a gluttonous like it's a you know, you're just being really gross with lots of screens, but it feels good.

But I also think it's obvious based on the media that you're taking in. Like, look, if you go to watch the Sopranos for the first time or something, that's the thing to pay attention to. If you're just putting on it's a random thing it's a slippery it's kind

You need to you can be blackout drunk and watch The Furious And every time.

I believe it's wrong, I I agree with you.

I think these are all truths, and I yeah, I don't have like a good case for it.

I just there. There have been so many times where.

Especially forever reason, it's kind of like a stressful movie.

It's kind of like I'll.

Just get out of this stress for a second by looking looking at Reddit and then and then you get to go back to the stressful film and you're less scared.

Because we talked about Marty Supreme and like how I like like uncut Gems and if I had legs at KQ, those like extremely stressful movies. That's when I most liked, like all the lights off, I don't have any distractions just I'm marinating in this love.

You need to watch what we do in the Shadows. You're like, uh, Jack Proch, No, Jack Proach, Mark Proch like his energy vampire Colin. He just thrives on stress when it's around, and he tries.

To cause it miserable.

And I agree, like, I think you're you're going to enjoy the experience more.

I think that is the way to do it.

And when I the last movie I saw in theaters was Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie, and it was I had never seen the show before and it truly was one of those immersive I walked out of that movie theater and I was just like, I think that's the best movie I have seen in a long time. And I think part of it was just that I was focused. I was just so focused on every I heard every joke.

And that's a great example because it's like there's so many little psych gags and stuff and subtle things in that like glances at the camera or the background, the GTA four ad in two thousand and eight, you know, stuff like that like that, like if you're half paying attention to be so easy to miss these incredibly good moments you know.

Yeah, visual gags are fun.

I so many people have recommended Smiling Friends to me, this this animated show, and every time I watch it, I think I've been distracted. I've usually had my phone or something, and so every time I've watched it, I haven't thought it was very funny and the and this weekend I was like, no phone, watch this fucking show and determined for yourself if you actually think it's stupid, because I've tried three times and I don't think it's funny.

You just have to you have to focus.

Here's what I would say, you know, like when you play a game on Steam, it will say that you bought the game to like confirm and how many hours you played, to like justify that you're not a piece

Yeah, Dan, I think you're being like judicial and how you're you're acknowledging both sides. But I do have to say I think it's a fucking plague the way people watch shit with like three different screens. I also I resent how it's actually affecting the way people write shows now. It's like the number of exposition, the repeated exposition in every episode of a show. I'm like, I fucking remember this.

Very good visual gags in that show too.

You have to yeah, no, yeah, I feel like I've got the energy of like that David Lynch thing where's like you're gonna watch a movie on your fucking phone. Like I see that, and I'm like, yeah, I like to carry that energy in respect movie.

That's that's what I'm getting older and older.

Yeah, we had the email question a few episodes ago. It's like, what are some things you're like stubbornly old fashioned about. I think that's just like watch one thing at a time? Is mine?

One thousand percent?

Yes.

One more quick note on The Sopranos I was thinking about was that I was watching it and it was like there's a craft to the way every episode feels like a little mini movie almost in a way where it's like an episode will have a theme where it's like there's the one where it's like Tony is trying to break out of his normal routine and trying to hang out with the guys at the country club and

Oh yeah, I'll still throw on just the Pine Barrens every few months when I'm not even like really watching the show or I forget the name of the episode. They go to this lake house at one point and then Canada happens and stuff like that, and I'm like, Okay, yeah, that's something I want to watch right now.

Yeah.

No it It's also like there's stuff going on in that show that's telling the story. I don't know, like subtext, meta text, I don't know. I'll leave that to the Austin Walkers of the world to explain the the subtle stuff that's going on beneath the surface. And that show is so fucking good.

It's here about the dudes that that like watch cuts of it that remove all the therapy scenes do oh yeah, yeah, can you imagine these types of I just want to see the cool mod I think these girls with like scarface posters on the.

Fucking Bill Simmons does that, and like that makes a lot of sense.

That is such a critical part of what that show is.

That's the whole pitch that when he gave the pitch to Warner Brothers. No, I forget, I don't think it was Warner Brothers. Whatever, Yeah, Warner Brothers, and he was like, it's gonna be about a mobster who needs to go to therapy. That was the elevator pitch. Yeah, yeah, perfect nuts And yeah, well, Melfie's one of the most important characters. There's an episode I know, the Employee the Month. I

But I'm just glad I'm on I'm talking to adults here who know when to turn off the goddamn phone. What I am agreeing with you too, Mary? When you're doing it. That makes sense too.

There are times I wasn't paying attention she was on the TikTok. I was looking at Rotten Tomatoes scores.

For different Sopranos episodes research for film listen.

If you guys are going to get really deep into Sopranos episodes, I am going to look at review scores.

Dan call me once you finished up Pine Bearns.

Like the normal Will I will? That's great?

All right? Uh? Do you want to talk about video games? Let's do it, all right? I see both of you. Weirdo has been playing Pocopia. Yeah, that is about it, because I actually it seems like a game I'd like a lot. I just have not got around playing it.

So, Mary, are you a Pokemon person? Like I feel like this might be the first time we've said Pokemon on this podcast.

It's very rare.

You and I actually have similar alignments on it. But I will go even riskier and say I'm not I'm not a dissenter, but I don't play a lot of Pokemon games. But I also don't like a lot of those like Nintendo casual games. I was like one of the few people that just didn't care for animal crossing.

Which is so odd.

Yeah, I know, I think it's boring, is my answer.

You're a Star Dew fan and the game can kind of limits you what you could do per day.

Ah, I'm sensing something here. Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's just like I don't like to be limited and I like to have very clear. Started was always like, well, you need to get these things created by the end of the season, you know, and people are waiting for your crops and there's like a big festival, and I was like, oh, I have all these things to do. Animal Crossing it's like whatever, you know, like, don't worry about it.

And it's like, what do you want me to fucking do. I wasn't going to buy this.

I was not going to buy Pocopia, uh, because everyone's comparing it to Animal Crossing and I was like, oh, that's not for me.

And uh. I saw some funny.

Like clips and I saw some screen shots that made me laugh, and I thought to myself, girl, you were just saying how you need a cozy game.

You need a cozy game so bad.

Here it is like, let's just give it a shot. And I will say, this is a big pill for me to swallow. This game is seventy dollars, and that's if you have a switch to. If you don't have a switch to, this is like six seven hundred dollars.

Pill to swallow to play this game, and hope you really like it. I already had a switch too. I bought it for Mario Kart.

And because I'm a hardware junkie and I kind of just wanted the switch to anyway, so I already had it. So this was just seventy bucks. But seventy bucks is seventy bucks. I'm happy to report after about eight maybe nine hours with it, I actually do think it's It's pretty entertaining, and it solves a lot of the issues I had with Animal Crossing, not that anybody else had any issues with that game, but I was satisfied with the amount of things that they said, we have a plan for you.

We want you to accomplish this.

We need you to solve these puzzles, and we want you to figure out where these pokemon are. And I have enjoyed exploring the world and creating environments and then discovering Pokemon in those environments and you get to ask them. They're comfort level and they'll be like, I could use a toy, and it's like, you got it, girl, And I'll go run and build them a toy and bring it to them, and they get so excited, very wholesome. They literally will stop me and just say, hey, I

Thank you, it's.

I got something. It means the world to me, and I hope it means the world view. Here's a sturdy stick.

Yeah, oh, it's like bulbosre. Like they're just like for these little ding dongs in the grass. Like I don't think they have really cool stuff to give me, but I think it's very endearing that they do give me what they have. And certain pokemon give you different things, like the bee pokemon will give you honey. This should shock no one. They each give you different things. The girder and the ones that are like good builders they build all the houses. I mean, they're all helpful in

But I think you kind of don't use them to an end.

You get to to enjoy their company and make them happy.

It's a kind of a feel good Yeah.

It's it's cool because it's like I think you touch on something with like you know, animal crossing is kind of aimless, you know, where Stardu gives you some direction where it's like, hey, you need to do this for the season. We've got this festival coming up, you need this thing or whatever. And this rides that line really well. Like if you just want to zone the fuck out, or like we were talking about earlier, kind of background viewing, you know, you're kind of watching something you can just

Puzzle, and they give you good guidance.

Lost like a couple of times, but generally speaking, there's a very clear guy with glasses and it's like, I don't know what to do, and it's like, maybe I should ask this obvious professor creature that is seven times larger than all Pokemon, so you cannot lose him, and he will tell you what.

To do next. So the game gives you lots of guidance.

Have you seen the search feature? This is the thing I heard a lot of people are missing where it's like, let's say, you know, you got to find the caterpillar with the cut of the arms, you know.

Oh yeah, yeah, we're going to piss off people because I don't know that.

No, no, no, well I'm here.

Honestly. I think the fact that we're not Pokemon people and we're liking this game, I think that's that's.

I'm the most posumount office. I got Bulbasor Planter right up here.

Obviously not because you didn't play the game.

Yeah, very true.

Actually, let's say fourth, you have to find Bulbasor you can go find him on your poke deck, so you can just pause, go to the poke decks, go to him, and then you press the plus button and activates a search function, which makes any time you talk to any other Pokemon, it'll give you an option, and it's like I'm looking for Bulbasor and it will literally turn the camera and be like, I think I saw him over there. Wow, it's an easy way to find any Pokemon.

I didn't know that that.

That does make the game a lot easier because I am constantly looking for the Pokemon that I want. But the world is very calm, it's very serene, It's very Minecraft. I think people have said this a lot, but the game reminds me has a day night cycle just like Minecraft.

Everything is malleable.

You can break every every block, every brick, you can kind of you can rip apart and you kind of suck it up into your weird diddo form, which I do want to talk about. And it's a pleasant experience to be in the world, even if you're lost, even if you don't know what you're doing. I have been very happy building things in this space. But but can we talk a little bit about what a little freak.

Ditto is, Yeah, it's fucked up.

It's fucked up.

We were just talking the other day about how some of these Nintendo games they have like kind of a stark past or history, and they're like covering it up. This is the darkest Pokemon world I've ever heard. Humans are extinct. Ditto is taking the skin of a human and then when they make a friend that's a Pokemon, they steal their their skill by like absorbing their body parts, and then they can now punch bricks and cut grass.

But they have these soulless eyes of a doll's and mimic humans.

I can till. I can till the soil by turning my arms into this weird armadillo thing I talked. I learned how to squirt from this, and so now I can squirt and that that's like all the dry plants and stuff.

What Bonnie Rotten thought you had to squirt? I'm sorry, God, never mind.

Louise, I'm talking about Pokemon here, Mike, Yeah, sorry, Your head butting trees weird, Like.

Kirby, how you get the apples out of them?

Yeah, you have, and then it's like you'll get a bunch of like you know, logs and stuff and dirt piles and stuff, and you just like Hoover Kirby.

Suck them up like kind of in a week. And if you turn the camera around, it's.

Weird looking sounds like Kirby.

I like, this is it's very weird all of the So you'll find pieces of paper notebooks, and it'll be from humanity, which is gone, and the people.

Will be like getting a little worried.

The weather's getting kind of bad, and it's just like the last diary entry into entries of.

Dead people.

Tasty, strange, strange.

Yeah, everyone said that we need to be careful about this trash, but I you know, I'm not worried about it.

Last entry.

Hey, we should do something about all this trash because there's a typhoon coming and then there's no more entries. Yeah, I'm telling you, Nintendo has crossed like a barrier. This is like they're getting to this point where they're like, actually, our children are not going to have water. We need to warn the kids in this Pokemon game that if they do not take better care of the environment and they do not give a shit about this planet and about like the world around them, it won't.

They won't fucking be here. It's to me.

I find this game slightly political in a good way, which is just like, yeah, teach them young that they have to give a shit or they will die, and so will the Pokemon.

Yeah, maybe Procopia will change people's minds, hearts and minds.

It's going to fix everything, I hope.

So if you go on the fence.

It's that's the only part that's not cozy. But I find it fascinating and interesting that they made such a strong choice to include the death of humanity and that Dudo is this like mimic that just has taken over the skin of a person and makes people think that there's still humans in the world. And maybe that's for the comfort of the children that will play this game.

It's a strange.

Situation, the midsummer situation. You're wearing the skin of a human as you go around.

But pretending and and and absolutely in every way pretending that you are the Last Person on Earth. It's a very odd I wonder what's going to happen in this game.

I haven't.

I'm not that far in it, but I have. Have you made it rain yet?

That's kind of like the Okay, so there's like an Onyx. You you were eluding. This is the first puzzle the game. It's the first puzzle in the game. I don't think it's a huge deal.

I need to that is My current objective is to make it right.

You're current objective.

You're like eight hours in. How do you not do the first puzzle.

Because you you don't breed, you make spaces and get Pokemon for like at least the first several hours.

Of learning how to till the soils?

Yeah's a game from the outset.

No, it's like, right now, my thing is I need to put like beans and stuff into this building in an effort. Got Yeah, I think eventually make it rain.

Yeah?

Okay, yeah, I generally speaking, yeah, and I don't. I don't think this is a huge spoiler and you can't skip ahead or anything like that.

As far as I'm aware.

The Onyx is stuck in rocks and the game is like, oh, if only we could like loosen the soil, and it's like, okay, we need to make it rain and so and it's not raining because the weather's fucked up because the goddamn dead humans have ruined the planet, and and so you're like figuring out how you're gonna do that. I finally got that done. It's a really silly and funny sequence. I laughed out loud multiple times, because you have to

But writing is funny, Like when you talked, they all have their own personalities. The writing and the localization is really good. I'm finding myself like I've always like the Pokemon designs and stuff, and like that's it seems like there's a really cool variety. I like the way they look and stuff, but like I feel like talking to them in this game. It's like endearing these Pokemon to me. It's like I like's the first.

Time Pokemon have talked like people like Mike. You can correct me if I'm wrong, But I believe Pokemon say like Jarmander, and this is like the first time that Charmander has like a voice and says how he feels about the world and the things around him. And they have personalities. Some of them are shy, some of them are cheeky, some of them are like funny.

But they speak words they are they are talking.

It's usually you're usually a human speaking to them, which is why I think they just don't make sense to you.

Inst ghetto like yeah yeah.

And they like try and use their the.

Tone this time, they use the tone in their voice to like guide you into how they're feeling. But in this game, they just literally say like I love this house. And so I'll be like, do you want to live here? And they'll be like me and it's like, yes, I saw you say I love this house like eight times. I know you want to move in. You can have

It's very cute because he's the first evolution. He's a baby.

I don't know.

I mean, I just think it's sweet enough that in the translations they were like, he doesn't say throw up. He says I threw up but a lot, which is like not a normal term that you would say. And I'm surprised again in the translations that they were like, it's you want to call him bud. It's like, but it's short for buddy, which is kind of like a friend. And it's just like they're using slang that works. Oh

It's cute.

And then like you'll see like hitman Chan is like up against the heavy bag, like just going nuts on it, and you'll talk to him and he'll teach you. And then you have boxing gloves that you can switch to and that is how you kind of deform the environment. And Mary, have you done the thing? Have you done mouse mode on this? Uh? Like when you break the joy cons off and you use them as a mouse.

No, I haven't done that.

So it's cool because like when you're breaking down like let's say a big hill or something like that, you can there's like a little dotted, you know, outline and so you know which thing you're going to break down or whatever. Yes, and you can look up and look down with the right sticking. Like that's good for basic stuff.

I do.

I like that decorating is not, at least at this point, it's just a heavy ask. It's more like build spaces and things that your pokemon need. Yeah, but you can tell that they're eluding that you're going to be able to build some really cool Minecraft adjacent shit because you keep stumbling across half broken like a quarter of a house, and you'll find items and instinctively all players will be like I'm taking these windows and this bed and this dresser because this is good stuff.

For my house.

And so I'm like acquiring.

I'm stealing and pilfering from every house that I find because I want all these items in my house, which I haven't built yet, but like I'm preparing myself for like all of the cool items that I'm going to put in my sick ass space.

I have like three security cameras now, and I'm like, what am I doing with the What do I need a security camera for that? Like it says like in the menu, you can go and like watch what's happening, like you can watch.

Your Pokemon, but it doesn't work yet. So I I travel. I'm not here yet in the game, so I don't know what happens. But when I first learned to dig through tunnels, I decided to dig through a mountain I because I can and I wanted to, And so I dug through an entire mountain too, an entire different area.

Have you tried to do this?

No?

And I got to a.

New area and I don't think I'm supposed to be there yet, and there's like lights and stuff, none of them are on electricity is.

Totally common because I've just seen the like mushroom lights and stuff like that so far.

I know, I think there's like a whole other world of this game that we don't.

Know about yet.

Well.

Yeah, and another thing we didn't touch on is I think it's really cool the way that like it'll give you the habitat info where it's like, oh, a Pokemon might show up if there were four flower patches on a beach next to water, or if there is a log seat here and then like a first aid kit next to it, it might attract a certain Pokemon. So like by the wall grass.

On a mountain might attract this certain creature.

And it gives you a stilhouette, which is very funny because that's very that who's that Pokemon?

Yeah, Like they just seem to really know what they're doing here. Like I can't imagine being someone who grew up with Pokemon and having such a because I don't have an attachment to these characters, and I still find it so endearing. So it's gotta be so fun for Pokemon fans, Like I think this is a really really cool project.

I recommend this as an easy wreck for Pokemon fans, but I would even go beyond that and say, even if that's not something that you grew up with, I'm finding this to be a very comforting, very enjoyable, very cheeky, funny game that I could easily spend. I'm gonna probably

So I believe it's just going to.

Be endless, and I'm not in a rush. I think it's gonna be an easy one to just like pick up on a plane six months from now and come right back to it. You did mention it's seventy dollars, or it could be over one hundred and twenty dollars if you were my sister Kayla, because she buys things physically. She went to GameStop Lovely Corporation. We Assault of the Earth. We all love.

Gamesh Oh they're doing so well.

Oh they're just the best, oh, the best readership and everything always been great. And she went there and they're like, oh, hey, you can't. She was on a stream when I heard the story. She goes, I didn't know you had to buy like a little micro chippy thing to play this, And me and everyone in her chat were like, what

Get the store number. Manager.

I mean I I was ready to go nuclear with it if I needed to, but like the manager was, I can't return it. It's opened. And then she explained what happened and they gave a refund. But then she left the store and she saw in the parking lot the guy who lied to her was sitting in his car eating ice cream and she just drove up in front of him, flipped him off and just like piled out.

Yeah fuck yeah what kind of car, Like.

A yeah yeah, all that SD money, he's killing it.

He's probably fifty dollars ice cream with that ship.

When parents are buying those like uh fiber cables that are like the fastest Ethernet cables alive, and it's just a it's just one hundred dollars Ethernet cable.

That's one hundred dollars on ANTMI cable. When I got my PS three and I didn't really know HTMI stuff at all, they're like, you need to get this monster cable. There's no point in having a PS three if you're gonna have the like shitty built in cables that come with it. And I bought it one hundred dollars, thing like yeah, yeah, it's like it's easy. It's I mean, Kayla is someone who plays video games all the time,

Will change her mind about buying physical or do you think she's still adamant about buying fit. I will say, I'll acknowledge, like there is something nice about physical copy right that makes you feel like I'll be able to play this even in an apocalyptic scenario.

But I think for her it's more she does like owning the physical thing, and also she tends to just kind of help afford future games and stuff to be able to trade it in. So she'll buy a game, beat it quickly, return at the game stop, and put it towards the neck, which is how I always did it growing up. You know, although I wonder if you can do it with that game key card shit with switch. I don't know if she knows about that or if that even works.

Like, yeah, they're getting wise to that as well. They probably I don't want you returning the game.

Oh they never liked the used game market. I mean fact that was the Xbox One's whole thing. A but like not allowing used games originally, and you know, like that's it's never been good.

For them because they well for them.

Oh yeah, Xbox has only been on the up and up since the Xbox One.

Up and up. All right, I do want to play Popia, but uh, let's also talk about Dan. You played Marathon.

I did.

Yeah, this is another big one.

It's an interesting one. I yeah, I probably I'm level like eight or nine or something in it right now?

There are signal progress.

Yeah, Mike, You're probably way more experienced in extraction shooters than me, right because I've only played.

Yeah, I played Escape from Tarkov, our creators this, Uh, played the Hunt showdown for work we we. I also like played a lot I wouldn't have otherwise, But I would say.

Do you like Do you like them in general? Yeah?

I like the idea of many of them more than I like the actual games. But I do like Tarkov quite a bit. I think there's some quality of life stuff that Marathon could be learning from other games that it doesn't have at the moment. But I've played a lot of Marathon. At this point, we can get into my new show. But I'm curious Dan, how you feel about the game in general.

I think it looks incredible. I think the art design is one of the coolest I've seen in an FBS. I do think maybe it's just me being old or whatever, but like I would have. I would like this so much more. I'd be so much more excited if it was like I want a campaign with this Bunge campaigns can be very very good historically, and it's just some more standard death match moms. Like I don't I've played

Yeah, one of the game's weaknesses i'd say is they throw a lot of junk. I would say Arc Graders does this too, but Marathon to even more egregious extent, they throw a lot of junk at you. You play like, you play a lot of this game, and you start to realize what items are valuable for what purpose, and you realize like, oh, this is actually really good to have to upgrade Seca Gucci once you get to a certain point in their progression tree. Completing contracts is not enough.

I could have put these things up and had no fucking idea it. Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know. Yeah.

I also think like the UI could do some work in terms of when you really break down the inventory, it actually does fall neatly into categories of Okay, these are just basically automatic cells for credits.

That's nice. I like that.

Yeah, these are these are biomass stuff that you turn into this faction. These are more like robotic things you turn into this faction. I just don't think the game does a good enough job of conveying that in the UI, because it can't get pretty cluttered. I do think the game. I love the game's design. I love it's our direction. It's such a weird like nineteen nineties doss meats graphic designers, fever dream meats, primary colors splashed in the most compelling ways.

It's with the hylastopian corporate stuff, like you know when I unlock, like the newcloric stuff and seeing like there is a reel of weird artificial plants they're making in food and just the way they talk about it in this really kind of cold product kind of way.

Tis Trasis is like a death stranding, like she's connected to this digital line in via umbilical cord. Did you get unlocked them yet?

No? I mean, I've just stuff. I'm like, I'm curious about this, Like it's all seems very cool.

Honestly, Like I spend a decent amount of time with the they called a codex or whatever. It is like reading the laura of the game is really cool. It's like the art direction and the vibes of the game were so potent that they push me to actually read laura bits, which I never fucking do. But going back to the inventory, it's like, you play that game long enough, and I took it for granted that I played Tarkov

Fire play by the rook or you're just going in like I use.

Recon, I use Assassin and solo and then yeah, I don't I turn off crew phill. It makes it much more tense in its own way, Like dire Marsh becomes much more fun because as opposed to perimeter, which is very much like varying elevations and verticality and those canyons you're going between and the like, some really fun firefights can break out in those canyons. Dire Marsh to me, is more about concealment, where when you're solo, it's much more tense to actually be crouching through high grass and

No, that's the things like that was the gimmick with Arc Raiders that I think a lot of people are like, Wow, what a fun new feeling here is that prox chat and this and like this, It's just not like it's there that features. Yeah, Like it's not at all. They're like, are you cool? Are you cool? Like are we going to work together? Like none of that happens.

The time I know, the time to kill us too fast in Marathon also is built like a much faster paced game, so I think people feel compelled to kill everything they see on site. And thirdly, Art Greater is a thing that people don't always talk about. It doesn't just encourage cooperation, and the fact that it has proximity chat, many of the enemies are too difficult for just one

Yeah, shoot first, ask questions like, yeah.

A single one of those merry where it's like the Arc Raiders things where the prox chat, Like, I've never had an encounter where we're talking back and forth, even talking really not saying I haven't had a good one a bad one. I'm saying I have not had a single time where it's like, well, hey, what's your deal there? Like where Arc Raiders. I feel like pretty much every time there's.

A little and it's so cheeky and funny, like it's really I think it's kind of one of the humorous parts of that game is that it's a serious situation and someone's running by being.

Like those guys are bad, those are and you like hear them saying things to each other.

It adds like a lightness, you know, a little bit of a joke to what's going on? Is this game like just straight up serious solo shoot?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, there's nothing funny about it.

Yeah, there's nothing funny about it.

You were talking any game.

Bonk likes to play Arc Greader solo.

Do you think she would like to play Marathon because it could be played more solo?

Hard to say, and she's kind of moved on from ourc Raiders right now. So yeah.

It's also the fact that, like it's funny because Marathon when it is like firing on all cylinders. I like the game quite a bit. Like there's missions later on in certain factions' main quest lines where it starts to congeal what you're chasing in each contract or in each faction's ecosystem. You start to learn what individual items are for, you start to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the

And I think that's part of what like I don't like is that, man, it's so good, it looks so good and it feels so good. The gunplay is that kind of classic Bungee, like, man, nobody's really doing it quite like them, and that like there's almost this wistfulness for like, ooh, but what if they had a campaign and that looked and felt like this, you know, and like that's my overwhelming feeling with this game is like, there's so much good here. I wish they put it in a form factor that.

I like, you know, yeah for sure. And I also think it had the same has the same problem that the First Destiny had when it came out. It's like, there are cool ideas here, but there's also just not that much content, not a ton of longevity. There's four maps three four the Perimeter dire marsh Outpost, and there's one coming yeah, yeah, some stuff coming down the road, and it's just I just wish, yeah, I wish they're

That's like the trick with R graders as well, which is you always use the free kit, but you might be tempted, especially as a young player, to be like, well, I just got this sick new gun, I'll bring it with me, and then you die and you lose your precious gun. Yeah, and that's really defeating for an early player. So it's important to have that info if you're gonna give it a try.

Yeah, for sure. But yeah, all which is to say, it's like, there's some really cool stuff here, not without its flaws, for sure. I just I think it would hook more people early on if they paved over some onboarding obstacles and then it's a lot.

Yeah, like I imagine, like you know, first person shooters and online multiplayer first person shooters have historically been one that, like, you know, Halo was you know, a hardcore you know gamers and stuff would love it. But also people that buy two games a year loved Halo, and I can't imagine if you're one of those gamers that buys like GTA every ten years and Madden every couple of years

No, game is a kind of needs to be a commitment, and a lot of people hear that and they get excited. A lot of people hear that and they're like, ah, I think, yeah, yeah, no, fair enough. I uh, I just I you know, I was I've been playing with people and I and I know extraction shooters enough to sort of see through the matrix with some parts early on.

This is a great Now.

That's that's a host. God fuck, I'm so good that, Jane.

We don't traditionally cover games in early access or like demos and things like that, so this is a different one for me. And I will preface it with like, this game isn't out yet, I haven't played this full thing, but this is from the people who made untitled Goose game, which I adored that game and I like that game studio, and they just.

So happen to have a playable.

Experience in Portland and invited me to go play this game for an hour with three of my friends.

And I was like, oh, I should do this. It's a cool experience.

Once again, I didn't get an invite.

Yeah, that's in Portland.

I mean it's very It's not often that Portland gets a sick game demo.

I was like, this is so cool and this never happens here.

I mean they did it online too, we did it with Giant Bomb, but you know, it's.

The in person experience is unbelievable.

Though.

The in person experience was really cool and you'll never be able to have the joy that I had with it.

I'm drinking gin from Portland right now.

They did a lot of cool stuff, but that's not what I'll talk about because I don't care at it. Oh, I do want to hear about this.

Gin though Freeland. Freeland spirits shaped like a tear drop. You can get a green bottle of forest gin. It's really good.

They're going to balance that on a shelf.

It's like the wide spots at the bottom.

Oh they got flat stuff.

Ye kind of vessel anyway.

A Big Walk is a multiplayer game that you would play online with other people. You kind of look like ants, but I don't think you're You're a nondescript.

Look like the birds with the what the Homer when the Big Homer episode?

Yeah yeah, the ones that with the bobble and they.

Did yeah yeah, yeah Yeah.

They kind of look like that, and it has it has proximity chats, so your idea is to kind of find them. I find this game very sweet and endearing, where at least the component that I played was about an hour.

They don't really tell you what to do or how to do it. They just drop you off.

And so when we eventually found each other and we played around in this world, we had to.

Figure out what to do.

You go out into this grassy world, and you kind of naturally learn over time that you can do fun things like stand on each other's shoulders. You'll come across these structures where there's a very obvious button, but it's too tall for you to you know, push.

The button on your own, and so you do.

Eventually, you know, recognize you need to pick each other up and help each other achieve these goals, these very loose puzzles in this type of game, Unlike so many of these games like Peak, which I also like, there's no hunger, there's no stamina, there's no death, there's no enemies. This is very lighthearted, casual fun that you could play

Out and like cooperative puzzle solving.

Yeah, it's it's really enjoyable, and I thought it was a thoughtful little romp.

What I also really liked about it.

Was after we had solved some puzzles and we were just walking around.

This game does have day night cycles.

The path diverged left and right, and we decided to go right and it was just a nice ocean view with the sun rising, and we sat there and we watched the sunrise together as the four of us, and we talked about, you know, our favorite moments in gaming, and we just kind of bonded for a little bit. And I was like, I don't know the last time I've ever had a moment like that with friends and games because I'm always so worried about dying.

In this type of game.

Because it's so chill, you can take the time to just hey, oh, you saw painting, and you notice that you could paint each other's bodies. You could just do that for twenty minutes if you wanted to without ever worrying about time.

I think that's really cool because like you are starting to see more like I don't want to say, like all in the friends slop genre or whatever. That is such a specific thing, you know, and that makes me think of Rebo and Peek and stuff, but like they're games like a sledding game. Have you heard of this?

I haven't played that, but we played.

It recently and it is very much a like multiplayer hangout thing where it's like a little dart games and stuff, or you can go sledding. You can do a little race, you can go hang out here, or you can just kind of sit by the fire and talk proc chat

There's there's a puzzle this going on. Yeah, there's some kind of it's all visual. There's no text on anything. It doesn't say like.

Find the three heads to you know, to get the mystery. No one of it is explained. It's all visual.

Yeah, And I speaking of visual I love the look of it. I think, like you talked about the things just looking like these these kind of weird, almost cartoony trash figures. But then it's also set across like fairly realistic looking art style like hills and mountains and rivers and sunsets and things like that. So it's just got this really peaceful vibe to it. And it's got the prox chat thing where you got got like a little

A certain amount. I think it might be twelve, but the puzzle maxes.

Yeah, so you so what's neat about is you could have someone who's like you could like have again, you could have like your ten year old nephew join and maybe he's stupid, like a real stupid kid, but he can sit with you and you can solve the puzzles without yelling at him to.

Like pick up the thing. You can do it to like, you could just hang out.

It's not like like a portal co op thing where it's like both parties need to be fucking you have to be.

Functional, and it takes to play that with another person. In this game, a real ding dong can just hang out with you. They can even probably kind of mess you up and mess with you a little bit and you'd still be able to get through it.

That's a good point that, like, yeah, if the Caps had a four puzzle, wise you can have four like adult friends that are going to like do the puzzles and then like somebody could literally just be hanging out or like, hey, buddy, why don't you go you go watch us from over here and you tell us, you know, if you see this thing light up or whatever, but like, well, tell.

Me about your day, because I don't see you enough, and I like you. I'm actually playing this puzzle with my friends, but like ump, jump in and join us and just in, you.

Know, not to hurt anything. Yeah, I think this has the potential to be a very special one, Like I really do. Like I kind of don't like the friend slop term necessarily since it does seem to kind of like it seems insulting almost in a way. It was the word slop for what it's worth.

I do think it's going the route of walking simulators, which made themselves at first word derogatory, but then they embraced it, much like punk rock was derogatory and they embraced it. So I do think friend slop is kind of becoming part of the vernacular.

And for the record, like friend slop stuff like pure ass friend slop Repo and Lethal Company and all that shit. I like that stuff. I think that's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think this seems like a meaningful evolution of that where it has kind of the hallmarks of it with the prox chat and the silly stuff and everything, but like it seems like it's going to have an interesting, like larger kind of object within it. You know, I'm very excited about this.

You can see where it's going. So originally, when we do it, you get nothing. You have nothing in your hand. You get a light that you can like turn on and off, which you need sometimes when it's really dark

Yeah, and just like the hands going up and down, like doing like you know, air traffic control type stuff.

I was doing all sorts of hand signals. I was, you know, anything I could do there.

You're you have like little ball fists, so you can't like do obscene gestures. But I think you can make it out.

I think you could expect you could kind of put two and two together.

This seems like one that we need to make sure to get us and Jake together and play some of this this.

Yeah, I think, Yeah, I agree.

I'm excited definitely.

Mike.

I gotta ask you, because everybody's talking about this game.

You're playing Slay This Fire too.

Mm hmmm.

Pretty hooked on it. I started it, got an early access on Sunday, meant to play just a couple hours. Check it out, talk about it tonight on the show. I think I'm on like twelve hours now. I like it quite a bit. It's funny. I don't think it's doing it's not doing anything majorly new since the first game or since any other you know, like the first game wasn't the first deck builder RPG. But I do

No, jokers? Are the fucking I think they're called bosses? Aren't the boss? Or like they were a blind?

Yeah? Blind?

I think, I don't know you think they have blind but.

You'll you'll think you're gonna have a successful run no matter what. You're like, I can't see anybody beating me. And then all of a sudden you get to the blind or the boss in this game, one of the first two. Well I've only ever beat two bosses so far.

Like, yeah, when you lose around because it's like the first game, right, you lose it all and you have to start over. Is that is there still like enough rewards to get you to like want to play that second round and not feel two defeated.

Oh yeah, it's very much a one more turn game. But you'll get an experience meter that once it fills up, it'll go. You'll unlock a new epoch, which is like there it's shown like a timeline of lore, but you're actually unlocking. You'll unlock one, you'll click on it, it'll say it'll give you a little bit of lore bit and then will actually lead to tangible unlocks, whether it's a new character. Right now, in early access, they're only five.

Do you know when it's coming out? Because I don't do early access, so like do you know?

I don't know, and I don't either. I read a lot of people saying if they didn't know as early access, they.

I hear that all the time. But it's like I have always been happy when I've waited, and I have been burned when I've gone into early access, and so I've just adopted a full on like I just don't do early ACSS. Like I understand its value, I understand why it's enticing to go in early and stuff like that, but like just personally, like I I'm very excited about this game, but I'm just not touching it.

Yeah.

Done.

I had, like, speaking anecdotally, I said the same thing. I was like, people, the people, the same people that were telling me, the same people that held out on Hades two with me, are the people who recommended this game to me, Which is why I was like, which is why I was like, all right, I'll go in, And I think the thing here is I could play for it feels like I could play it for thirty hours and get my money's worth out of it and feel like I saw what this version has to see

And I'm sure I'm gonna be over the moon about it when I play it. But it's like I do almost like that feeling of like when it's out out and I started being like it's all here, and yeah, yeah, I love that.

You are a very different player type than me where like I feel like, once you know you have everything, you like to get everything and try everything as much as possible. I think I burn out a bit before that point. So maybe that's also why I don't mind playing this right now. But sure, Yeah, I haven't even tried the third character I haven't locked, which is the Regent. Yeah. Just the excellent game reminded me of Hades two in the way that there are no major innovations, at least

Good job speaking of everybody says this game is supposed to be perfect.

Yeah, that's great, speaking of good jobs, Dan. Many shoot adventures.

Uh, just real short. I know I probably talked about this familiar. Yeah it's the one where Zelda Geometry War.

Yeah.

I talked about this.

You like this?

Oh yeah, yeah a while ago and it's on switch to now, so I'm playing it again. Just a reminder if you don't have a Steam deck or didn't play it back, then get it on switch to or it's on switch one. Actually, just it's a breezy fun time. It is just a video game boiled down to the most video game elements, immediately having fun with it. I yeah, it's rare that. I I am very excited to play three game a second time. I was so ready to do this again as soon as it came out.

How much is it on the switch to because it's it's like fifteen bucks on Steam Like, this is a good price.

I assume it's equal across the board.

I'm not sure, but whatever it is, it'd be weird for them. Three hundred dollars, it's worth it.

Yeah, your sister paid forty five dollars to play this.

It's got six many chips to play Mini shoot Adventures. No, it's it's tremendous. It's I feel like, I say, Zelda plus Geometry Wars like top down Zelda like linked to the past original Zelda plus Geometry Wars. If you hear that and it activates your brain the way it does mine, you will not be disappointed. It is a tremendous game.

So it's a very It's a very fun game, and I remember playing it around the same time as you a couple of years ago, and I really I also really liked it.

Much like a Metroid.

You can get lost and be like, I don't know where I'm supposed to go, but you always end up figuring it out and there's really good upgrades and stuff.

Like that too.

Yeah, I'm glad it's cool that it's on switch yep.

Check it out.

And what about WWE two six?

No bad, It's no like it's the same serviceable at best wrestling engine that it's been since twenty two. It's just it is just a full blown fucking casino now.

Me my cash grab every time, I like, I think I have a good understanding and grasp on the video game industry. I'll see that like FIFA Ultimate before they drop the name made seven billion dollars in twenty twenty two, And I'm like, I don't understand people's habits at all. Who is playing this? And obviously I know FIFA's big on a it was big on a level that like we we can't confirm.

But the NBA two K like you know, like that's more like people watch basketball in this country and like I'm sure those people are all over this country and spending a lounch of money on this and I don't know who these people are. It seems it's it's just a few whales that are keeping this thing up and making billions.

The NFL like Coach simulator games that are like exploding people love sports really, my god, Coach sims are huge.

Oh.

I don't mean I'm surprised that many people like playing sports games. I'm surprised there's that many people spending money and Ultimate Team on these cards that generates seven billion dollars in a year.

It's fucking nuts.

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

I don't know, what does it seem like? I like every ad I see now is for some gambling thing now, and it's just like, this feels like gambling. It's like shit, apparently gambling is real popular these days.

Yeah, oh god, I fucking hate it. It's ruining the viewing experience for my State Warriors.

Gambling has been in games for a really long time, and it's just one of those like edge cases where I don't really have a problem with loot boxes and things like that.

I just think that there is a level.

Of greed that we are rewarding game companies when they are making this amount of money where we're like, I think we're learning the wrong lessons here.

Yeah, yeah, don't No, I don't either, But Mary, what creature kitchen?

Creature kitchen?

Old timing Like it wasn't my head.

It kind of has a weird vibe.

I'm really I'm trying to describe it, but it's a strange, strange game surreal I'm gonna say it's like a sci fi otherworldly universe game where you go to a cabin.

In the middle of the night, in the middle of the woods.

It's dark, but it's not too creepy vibe.

It's always making me think of mouth washing a little bit just like that weird kind of low poly vibe.

You know, es, what was the what was the game Fred is watching?

Or Fred?

Oh? Yeah, like last year he's looking No, no, no, no, sorry, he's looking as he's looking in the windhill neighbor. Was that it? No, he was looking at Mary you talked about look outside.

Yes, that's what its okay, okay, yeah, I'm with you.

I I think that this game is is cozier than it looks on the onset.

You might be like, oh, is this like a creepy game with ghosts and like there are like weird ethereal creatures out there, but check this.

You need to take a photo of them on a polaroid.

If you can successfully get a photo of them, your secret book will tell you the foods.

That they like.

And then you go to your kitchen.

You make foods with uh, the stuff that's in your pantry, and you find more food as the game goes on. But you make these like you'll make a dish like macaroni and cheese or a cheese sandwich, simple ones.

At first, you give them to the creatures.

They'll give you a key to unlock new pantry doors to give you more ingredients so.

You can find more animals and make more food for them. And that's the game. You guys.

It sounds like what was a clover pit, but instead of like playing a slot machine so you don't die, it sounds like you're just a bunch of raccoons.

Keep bringing up really scary games.

This game is so it's not scary, but it has I did get I actually times post.

It's a I consider this a very wholesome game.

You'll you'll run across a ghost by the rat zone.

The rat zone in this game, they're killing.

Look, it's a compelling looking game that I want to play it.

It's very cute, you guys.

I was.

I was surprised at what a delightful experience.

I'm so glad you guys are doing this.

No, no, not because your records someone else for a while, Mike, was it you that told me about Creature Kitchen?

Yeah, I'm gonna get.

It because I was telling you, like how I say creature kitchen?

Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, try it out?

Try it out. Oh yeah, I promise. It's cozy. It's it's cozy, creepy. There's a there's a there's a cute raccoon and you could just sit with your friends and take it all in.

That's that is what I.

Was going to say.

Sorry, this looks really good. Thank you for the record for both of you.

I think it's I think it's a delightful game.

I was surprised.

And you can beat it in about a night, so like again, I I think you could beat this in like five six hours.

I don't know, depending on how good, how how good at games you are.

And also the kitchen stuff has chopping, it has like blending. It's a funky kitchen. It's a magical kitchen. So if you're making like, I don't know, a guacamole, for example, you'll put like an avocado and mix it with salt in a mixer and that makes squawk.

Obviously there's more to it, but that's enough for the game.

And then if you put that in the oven with nachos, it makes nachos. So it's like it bends the rules of cooking. You don't actually have to like be a good kitchen person to figure this out, but it's just enough that makes it exciting to make a dish.

It's good on steam Deck, Yes it is. Okay, I'm in.

I liked it. I'm glad.

I'm glad that you guys are interested in it. I felt like this was a hidden to me. I felt like this was a hidden gem. I hadn't heard too many people talk about this, but I really like it.

Only fucking and thirty seven of them give me positive reviews.

I mean, I would say, it's no uh, marathon or whatever you guys are talking about what.

I'm probably gonna like this more than marathon.

Yeah, I want to play this other fucking Okay, in the video on Steam, the way, the fucking the crow was flying toward the front porch, toward like the player and to land, he just like crashed on his chest and then got up as if he was fine.

Oh, there's like chopping carrots mini games, and this is some Maria ware ship.

I like, you have to flip the pan if you so, when you cook like an egg, you have to successfully flip the pan to cook the egg, and if you don't, you burn it, then you have to throw it out and get a new egg.

I saw you playing this on stream. I saw the egg thing, and you completely fucked it up.

I'm actually not great at cooking eggs and flipping them in this game, and it was a bit frustrating, but I figured it out over time.

But yeah, you make both puzzles.

You. Oh, there's little old puzzles throughout.

You'll be like, what's this plot of grand ground And it looks like maybe I might need to like do some planting, Like they keep giving you little there's little puzzles throughout. I only got stuck once. There was one puzzle that I like, I got really stuck on, but everything else I figured it out and I felt really smart when you when you do it. And yeah, there's like little ghosts and stuff, but they're not too creepy, but they'll they might surprise you.

There's like a little like an underground network of pantries. It looks like.

There's it's essentially an endless Barbarian basically, it's an endless sentry and there is a there is like a pantry being as well, like hopefully you can find them.

That's a back rooms.

There's secrets everywhere. It's it's cute.

You'll see like the book contains a lot of secrets for you to know. Oh, I've never seen this creature in person before, and yeah, I don't want to give it away because I very long game.

I I'm in. I'm playing this, okay good.

I think you guys will like it.

Speaking of cozy games, Mary, you have don't spoil any thing because I have not played yet, but you finished Requiem.

I will not spoil it.

I just wanted to let you both know because the last time we were here, Dan, you had beaten it and reviewed it, and I had only played I want to say, like nine hours of it. I have completed the game. I think it's phenomenal. It might be my favorite Resident Evil. I think it's I think it's just that damn good. I really don't have a lot of

Lot of action.

It has a lot of nods to earlier Resident Evils, which I appreciate and respect, and I even think, like the final boss fight was pretty fun. So I won't get into it, but I just want to let you guys know. I just I think it's fantastic and I can't wait. I can't wait to experience it again, which I know I will all play again, but yeah, very good, very good.

It is such a fun one when you've played through it, like it's incredible play through your first time, and then like to watch people knowing what's coming up, So like I've been watching Kyles stream and I've been went Boks playing it, so I've been like, you know, if I'm walking up and I see she's playing, I'm sitting on the couch, I'm like, oh, I know it's coming up here early act and we talked about a ton me and her, and it's so cool that like every time

Yes, they're kind to you, but it's secret, secret.

Not in your face at all, and it's like you will always progress. There's not a lot of like banging your head against the thing and I've died here ten times in a row, like it is pulling whatever strings it's been doing in the background in a very subtle way. That like the just the pacing, the difficulty it is, this is a masterful fucking game.

Yeah, the amount of detail as well that they've done, even with little things.

If I guess I was learning, if you.

Stay in the save room long enough, you unload your weapon because you're not using it, and then if you leave the save room, you reload your weapon. And it's just a custom animation that they made for zero point zero one percent of the player base that would sit in the waiting room for that long.

But to me, that's a good example of like these devs put a lot.

Of energy into the behind the scenes, the animation styles, the story. It's all very calculated. It's very plotted out. This like you said, this is a masterclass. This is a highly refined experience. They thought about everything and there's some really good throwbacks that I can't wait.

For you to experience.

Mike. It's a it's a fantastic game.

So yeah, really really happy with when I rolled credits and there's a couple of different credit sequences and you get this.

Isn't a spoiler, but boy, the bad one. It's like, I think I got the bad ending. It's it's yeah, you did, It's insane. Well immediately it tells you. It's like you can go back and try something else if you want to do.

You want to try again, it's up to you. And it's just like I think I do. I'm amazed to even let you roll credits. I'm surprised.

It's not like you lose, but it like literally lets you roll credits.

It's kind of nuts.

Yeah, but anyway, I can't wait to play it. I'm holding off. I'll play at some point soon ish maybe not yep.

I think there's a lot on our plates, especially with all the travel, but UH definitely can't wait for for uh you.

To experience it and for us to talk about it.

Same do you want to talk about emails?

Yeah?

Alright. As a reminder, you can run through Firescape cast at gmail for questions to be read on the show. Got a bunch of good ones since the last episode, thank you. In fact, this email section is quite the rollercoaster, so let's dive right in.

Mary.

Do you to read this first one? This? Yeah?

All right?

How dare you?

Hey?

Fucker's Day one listener, big fan of y'all. Deal breaker scenario if you're with the perfect partner and every way imaginable, but they have to have sex with you every single day and they have to constantly talk like Scooby Doo during it, and you have to go along with it.

Do you think you.

Would survive asking for a friend? Allie from Toronto ps. When you finish, they yell rotro.

Yeah, I'd survive surviving certainly request that we're all fantasy, we're all happily. I trothed? Is that the word? So I'm trying to a picture before that. Okay, let's say I'm I'm eighteen, I'm looking to meet someone. I don't have a girlfriend or anything, and this is the situation. Is it? It's just like a thing I'm thinking way back to when I'm a young man looking to meet

What do you mean? Is it? What? What do you mean? Like?

Are you looking for marrying stuff? Or is it just like sheer lost Genie onotop.

You're basically saying that you could do it for a certain period of time, but you probably wouldn't want to marry this individual. But if you were to date this person, you could bang them every day.

I mean, but even if everything was perfect and it was a marriage and be with them every day thing. I don't think that's the worst faith.

I don't know that everything would be perfect if they're speaking like a cartoon mystery solving dog every time we have sex every day?

I don't want it, but it's like, is that the most important thing?

I kind of want it? No part of the ship, damn kind I kind of want it. Uh yeah, if I'm if I'm imparting this on my wife, it's pretty funny, but I yeah, it would be odd if she saidt row every time not but not a deal breaker.

I would say, what if like when you like, whip it out and she's like rocks.

It's like I could come back to your school, Sapa.

None of us is setting the mood I want in there.

No, no, yeah, you have to like separate your mind into two different pieces. It reminds me of like that scene from Scary Movie where there's like a gross, scary monster that comes out from the shadows, but she's got a banging body, and then like it just shows him a scene later having sex with her and he just puts a on her head, like.

Sure, sure, don't you think you just put some headphones in?

So you're telling me I need to dissociate during sex.

Or like cover up that one component ballgag.

I think it's the spirit. I think that's against the spirit. I think it needs I don't have.

To embrace that freaky shit.

I can add my own freaky shit and beat their freaky shit to the punch.

Now you're getting Scooby Doo whispers in your ear, you know, like these are the sweet nothlings here?

Which movie was it? It's a scary movie, he said.

I think it's the first one. Do you know what I'm talking about?

It's ionic seeing that movie back when I came out and I don't remember this, but I completely believe that that sounds like the most scary movie joke.

I guess it's an iconic like sequence.

He's it's the I think it's yeah, one of the ways, and he's like, it's a creepy ghosty monster. And her face she's got a tongue that's really long and fucked up, but her body is incredible, and.

When he sees it, he's like and like, yeah, I think.

A couple scenes later they're doing it and he just put a bag over her head.

Like I think you could.

I could see myself wearing headphones and dealing with a really great partner in life and love and being like I can handle all of this, but I am going to put in my headphones.

So what do you think that would hurt the feelings.

It's just like they have to compromise. That's marriage, I guess.

Yeah, And they're weird and like I would, I would openly say I love you very much and like let's get it on. Uh now it's time for the headphones and your ballgag.

Yeah, there's none of that Scooby Doo shit.

Yeah, I mean they can do it.

They can try, but they have to get past the ballgag and my noise proof headphones and you know all the other stuff I have going on in my ears.

Good luck, it's a weird situation going on in there.

Well, I would embrace it in that sense, like I would accept them.

But I would Yeah, deal breaker.

No, I don't think it's a deal breaker. I think there's like worse things that you could experience. There's a lot of real miserable people out there.

Lack of common interests, you know, different values, and yeah, definitely.

Yeah, we're just like a meanie, like a person who's not nice, or like that person alcoholic or something like that, saying row when you come.

It's like I can work around.

It's a quirk. It's a quirk.

Reminds me fine.

I love them. I love you, baby.

There's the fucking Jackie Gleason having sex with Scooby Doo. I remember in college. I'm not gonna say which year because that would out them. One of my not out them, but one of my roommates we overheard him with a woman and we discovered that when it's about to happen, what he says is here it comes. That's his, that's his, Like, yeah, that's now.

That's a deal breaker.

Is you're trying to funny or is that just what is like?

Don't you know?

Lizard Brain says at the time.

He didn't know we had gotten home and we heard him in the room.

It's shoot, but it's kind of in the same discussion here it.

All right, Well, thank you Ali shut. Do you want to read this one from cold stare?

Yes, I'm sure we've all seen something not hit our expectations or fail, and you ask yourself how those in charge could fuck up that badly? Obviously you knew better, and if only those people in charge had access to the knowledge you hold in your head, it would be so simple. Are there any media properties, whether movies, music, or games that you think could improve if you were

You know, I have a bit of a hubrist to me, and I feel I love those I think that I believe you. I actually like, can we just all pretend that we have like an actual mind for this and could do it? Like, I'm not a designer, I'm not a director. I believe pretty strongly that I could fix the Silent Hill movies, the Resident Evil movies, and the movies they do need to be fixed.

The Dune movies. You don't like, the Doom movies, Doom Oh, Doom Oh, It's like, Okay, I didn't even know you read the Doom books.

Dune, Doom with the rock, Dune with their rock. I believe I can fix that. I I think that they just misunderstand the content. And I think there was a really annoying producer or like owner in the space that was like, I think I know what Resident Evil needs, and it needs.

Like a hot lady with a bunch of guns.

And they weren't wrong, but I just think they like fucked up all of the other material and went the wrong direction with the Resident Evil franchise films, and I do think that we could make such a good movie with the original source material.

The Barbarian director now m is and weapons director is doing the next Resident Evil.

I'm hoping.

I'm hoping, and they called me, and I think that the two of us together, I'm gonna really knock it out of the park.

Yeah, I'm genuinely hoping. His interview he gave or he was saying, like the thing that all that are other directors like forget, is that like it's survival horror. So I really want to like convey the horror of like being low on supplies but knowing you need to go into a zombie infested basement and stuff like that. I'm like, all right, seems like he knows what he's doing, so like Keith feel yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's so smart.

And he went back in time four thousand years put a go pro in Raccoon City so that you can actually see everything time.

That's smart.

And he put the Twin Towers in it.

Symbolism, Oh, symbolism, symbolism.

I think I could uh do a better job of managing the Golden State Warriors, for sure, Mike, I don't know if I've.

Ever heard of you talk about the Golden State Warriors, and this is the third separate time this loves them.

No, I like the Warriors a lot. I just don't talk about them to you guys because I know it would fall on deaf ears. That's fair, okay, But I've also been thinking about we're going to see them on Sunday. Okay, that's probably why I'm going to see them. Finally, I can't believe.

You didn't say like you feel like you could have made like a shabblie better than they do it.

Then, who I don't know. I'm not gonna make a better than Raveno, that's fucking That's like saying I'm gonna make a fucking better strand game than Hideo Kojima.

No, I could give him a run for his money.

Yeah, there's some, there's some. There's some chateaus there that I could some producers I could probably out Shablee for sure. I won't. I won't not say I could, but not like the top places.

Not the top places.

No, I'm not.

Gonna make a fucking Barollo better than Mascarello.

Are these Golden State Warriors?

Yeah? Those talk still Okay, so lost, Yeah, we know you are.

And here comes Mascarello passes to Mascarello and the three Oh my god, Louis Roderer with a slam dunk.

Yeah, that's exactly what they sound like.

Is that both click at the free throw line?

Long yolo?

Okay, I'm uh yeah, no I I I also think I could probably do a better job. What's like a video game franchise that has lost its way? Zelda has lost its way better than the Breath of a Wild tears.

Ko a couple of things.

Yeah, yeah, I could probably do a better job of what's it was like a TV show?

I feel like Terminator lost its way big time, but like they're in a rough spot right now because it's like Terminator one and two, two very different vibes, but nailed both of them, every one of them passed, then just totally missed what made one and two great?

But do you think you can solve it?

I think that's what makes Terminator especially hard, is like you could go in there with the best of intentions and try to do just like kind of that horror of the first one of this thing that will not stop until you're dead, or kind of the big budget,

You know, you don't think so.

You don't think there's any other actor that you could like be Like this new Terminator has a different look.

I mean, I guess it could be done. I don't. I still think it's like Arnold's alive. I think maybe like twenty years from now, with like a new generation that doesn't really know about Arnold or anything, may need to.

Wait until he croaks. You just get a younger.

Hotter would maybe be the Terminator.

Now it happens to women, all.

Marty Supreme Terminator style. I would totally watch that.

I can see right be Jordan doing it.

Oh, that'd be kind of cool.

Actually, yeah, So I still find it funny that I've never seen Terminator two when I first met you, and then flash forward a month and I had seen it six times.

I still have not seen it all with me.

Yeah, I still have not seen the first movie. Really m m oh, you spend all those times shoving two down my throat, which I enjoyed.

I mean.

The difference. I know it's much grittier and scarier.

But I think you would appreciate it. It's fun like, and I've appreciated more as I've gotten older and watched it more. It is like it's doing some really cool ship.

Yeah, I want to watch it. I just put it off for so long now it's this looming specter having.

I'm watching Sopranos.

You watch Terminator Yeah, true, okay, I will, uh well, thank you.

I feel like there's more answers to that. It's just like those are the ones that we have. But I actually think we could answer this exact same question again with more thought and be like I could fix this book, I could fix this song, I could fix this you know.

What I mean.

I think there's lots of media where I'd be like with my hubrews.

I think I could be like, I think I.

Could do it, Marathon. Let's get rid of this extraction shit and just give me a fucking campaign and we do it every week.

Yeah, that's actually what the podcast is, all.

Right, Thank you, Cold Sarah. Next one, Hi, I'm Morgan from the San Francisco Bay Area. I almost bled to death recently and it was bonkers, but not nearly as scary or painful as I thought a near death experience would be. Honestly, the worst of it was they didn't let me eat for three days post surgery. I was super pissed off. So what's the worst thing that's happened to you that was much less terrifying than your imagination made it out to be.

That's terrifying. I'm glad they're okay.

I'll say in a non horrifying version of this, I think a lot of people are afraid A lot of people are afraid of and I think all three of us can relate to this. The idea of moving away from your hometown, I think a lot of people get

Yeah, looking back, it's like crazy that I was not more afraid moving to the opposite coast by myself when I was like twenty two. But sure, yeah it worked out. I wouldn't be living here, right now if I didn't go there first.

My alternative is way scarier, where it's like there's so many people that just like, well, they've never lived outside of this county they grew up in, and that's just where they're always going to be, and it's like, well that just sounds boring as hell.

Yeah, I yeah. I'm a big proponent of if you can get out and travel or move or see more in the world that I feel like it's almost a responsibility. If you can not everybody can. There's financial or like family ties keeping you or like health issues, et cetera. But if you can, I think it's it's it's well worth pursuing mine. Minor lore stakes. When I was younger, I was like terrified of dancing publicly, like at weddings

And it was that's such a weird thing because it's like that is this thing that is left over in my brain from that like super like anxious, awkward, you know, high school kid that was afraid of me. I'm gonna make a fool out of myself, and now like that made sense when you're an awkward like high schooler. Now I'm coming. I've done twenty two years or whatever of making a fool out of myself publicly for a living, and I still have this leftover thing in my brain

You know, you guys were at my wedding. I was making a fool of myself more than anybody. But like every like a lot of people are dancing and stuff like it. That's I have a lot of fun doing it. Now I'm not a good dancer. But similar thing with like karaoke. I was terrified to doing that at first, but then of course, like Amanda and I have done a few duets recently at like parties, the wine Bar party we did, we did talking Head Surprise. It's always

Those are both really wholesome examples of things that are like scary to so many people.

Mine is not.

Death, but it is like something that truly scared me when I was learning how to scuba dive, which I was terrified that if something went wrong under the water that I would literally die down there. And my biggest fear was that something would go wrong with my oxygen or my what's it called the regulator, the the peace that goes in your mouth. What happens when your mouth is full of water?

How do you get rid of it? That's so scary.

And so you practice in a pool and they teach you that there's like a button you can press in it. It pushes a bunch of air in your mouth so that you can essentially open your mouth underwater, and it just puts so much air in your mouth that it's okay, and it'll push out all the water and you can keep going.

But when you are being.

Pushed underwater, And what happened to me, at least the very first time I ever scuba dove scuba dived, was I couldn't sink, and so he held my vest and started sinking and dragging me down to the depths of.

Them trying to kill in it retrospect, I don't think I knew you scuba dove.

I don't.

I'm no longer certified, but I learned when I was like twenty four, you know, it was a long time ago, and I was so terrified of this experience, and I had, like maybe even had like dreams or nightmares of like what happens if I can't breathe down there?

Like you can't just swim to the top right.

You will hurt yourself and you will you will pass out and probably die.

You have to figure it out.

So when I got down there, as it happens, it is bound to happen. This is why you practice in a pool. My mouth got a bunch of water in it. My mouth got water in it, and I needed to I needed to expunge with the with the regulator, and I got my heart was like pacing and I was like, oh my god, oh my god. If I don't do this right, I'll fucking die. You push the button, the air gets pushes all the water out of your mouth. And I was fine, and I had a really good experience.

But that's why they make you do so much training in the pool, because if you panic, that's how you die.

Have I told you my story about my test, my certification test. It was in March twenty fifteen in Lake Skinny Atlas say, very very deep. It's one of the finger lakes, so it's very deep, still very cold in March, and weird in our drysuits. And you know the joke, it's like, what's the worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades. I was. We were at the bottom and we had to show that we knew how to do all the hand signals to show that your oxygen was out or you needed something.

Someone in case your regulator goes down. Everybody has two. Like a parachute, you get two just in case.

So during the part where we had to do the hand signal to tell our buddy that we were out of air or our primary tube wasn't working, turns out my something in my primary tube actually did freeze. So it wasn't like I got a lot of water in my mouth, Like the tube actually stopped working. And I was, I want to say, fifty feet below the surface. And so I'm like doing the thing I was doing that you'd get their attention. Then you do this, and then he the he saw me. He's like, yeah, yeah, good job.

I love scuba diving, scuba having to be It's like I'm big on like overcoming fears and stuff like that, and I am afraid of the idea of scuba diving, but I kind of also need to know that there's something I'm excited about on the other end, and like I don't have like desire to scooba, Like I've had desires to skydive, and that's why I've done that like seven times outside of you know, despite my fears of it scooba having I don't really.

You want to hang out with the fees like.

In there there's other ways to see fits.

Yeah, It's it's like a like a pretty ethereal experience. Like being down exploring, especially like a lake that deep. It was like there's stuff that's.

Around coral and into caves and stuff.

I bet it is awesome. I bet if I did it, I would love it. But it's like, I think there is a combination of like of this stuff you're talking about, and also like I think that definitely triggers the anxiety type thing I talked about, like not being able to eat take out a movie theater row.

You cannot easily leave the bottom of a deep Oh yeah.

Really intimidating to me.

Yeah, I think I wouldn't recommend it for you.

I really could not.

Yeah.

Yeah, I love a problem you're coming from the other end.

Yeah, but you can't do it.

Either, Like if you panic in the ocean, you can genuinely hurt yourself by being like I'm going up and like swimming up without.

An instrum, no matter what they trained me to do. If I had a panic attack at the bottom of the ocean, I would be sprinting to the.

At the bottom of the ocean to be clear.

The bottom of the ocean as fast as I can.

You also can't sprint to the top. You would be swimming and you can't swim. If you swim that fast like I think you, you can like get really sick, you can pass out, like all these bad things happen to you.

Then I'm grabbing a fucking the closest turtle Mario sixty four, and I'm just pointing it up and I'm going like and he goes.

He goes, he goes back down because he's like, dude, let's get tubular.

And what brings you on this fine day?

Yeah, he's like wop master.

Like turtles like you guys are like testing out your gear and stuff and you your regulator isn't working. It's that's exactly the hand signal you should use.

Did Yeah you pointed up like Polly Walnuts like, hey, Tod, do you hear me? I just said his fucking respirators not working? Okay, Well, thank you Morgan. Write your name for a second because I didn't have the email up. All right. Well that's our emails, all three of them. Thank you Morgan, Thank you, Call Sarah, thank you Allie. You can write into fire skip cast at gmail dot com. Get a bunch since last episode, but keep them coming.

A lot of travel, so we'll be really busy.

It's exciting. It's a wonderful upcoming amount of stuff. I'm going to south By Southwest. I'm gonna miss a couple streams. I do love streaming on Mondays, but I'll be doing south By Southwestern Austin I'll be doing New Orleans for my b day and I will be doing Boston for packs East. Both Hacks and south By Southwest have Twitch parties. Consider looking them up on meetups, dot twitch, dot tv.

I go to all those. They're really fun and I'll be there if you want to stay.

Hi, Dan, what about you?

I am a giant bomb dot com doing a lot of great stuff over there. Blake Club I should be playing soon, so check that out. I'm doing a lot of the same travel Mary's doing actually, and then possibly a mysterious travel beyond that.

So have fun.

So yeah, giant bomb dot com is the main thing.

Sweet.

The whole second ROP playthrough is on my YouTube if you want to.

Oh fuck, I'm so sorry I didn't ask about that during the game section.

One of the greatest games I've ever played, one of my favorite gaming experiences I've ever had. I'm so glad I did it. I beat the Demon of Hatred, I beat each and I did the whole deal and what a ride it was from beginning to end. I will play it again. I will do my dying day be talking about that as one of the great gaming apearances.

Good Now, just listen to us when we first tell you it's good.

Isn't anyone Mike, I know, but like just do it in the future. That's probably smart.

Yeah. No, I've convinced you to play a few games you wouldn't have.

That is actually true. You've actually a lot of ones that I went I don't think loving Oder Wilds you were the one.

That Yeah, all right, well we've been back with episode one hundred and twenty nine in two weeks. I won't be here, but Dan and Mary will I'm gonna be traveling. I've got I'll be in Sorry what then?

Oh, I was gonna say, uh, you will not be here. But I did get confirmation while we were recording that one. Michael Manatti will be taking your place, trading one Mic for another. So we got Mikey he'll be coming in here. I have a child that's Mike. He'll be co hosting on the.

You're trading out, You're trading out the uh, the babyface of video games. I'll live another name's Mike, you know, for the bad boy of video games is coming out. Make him make him hosts, Yeah, make him hosts as me the entire show.

Oh, I don't think he can do that.

Now, that's just the narcissistan me. I want to hear it. Sure, but we're back in a couple episodes. I will be back in or I'll be back in a couple episodes. We'll be back in a couple of weeks. I'm going to be in uh, Paris and Florida and doing a few other things on the home front. Gonna miss you, guys. Can't wait to hear about New Orleans.

Have some stories coming out of New Orleans. I think and company will probably have some drinks and have a good time.

I'm stone sober Nola.

I'm slightly intimidated by the group we have in New Orleans. It's going on.

We're going to be a sloppy, jaloppy group, and there's gonna be a lot of beignets and probably some some daytime streak drinking.

Every day with a frozen Irish coffee from Mollie's. Then we'll see where the day takes us.

Have fun, and we'll see everybody else in a couple of weeks. Bye Bye,