Episode 50: 1994 Retrospective

Hello everyone and welcome back to the finger guns podcast my boys my friends it's episode 50 Holy fuck 50 goddamn regular episodes 5-0 fuck you also forgot our Christian name finger guns with, podcast with Tony David James yes it's not finger guns it's a finger gun give me whatever, I didn't tell you I didn't tell you guys we need to make a we need to make a LinkedIn page because we need a finger gun LinkedIn page finger guns is all my LinkedIn now as a job as a fucking co-host as a job.

Producer absolutely it's a job this is a fucking job I explain this to people and they're like oh so you're just watching movies for fun I was like no it's very very much like it's a pro bono but you know we do it for the good of the people it'll start it'll start paying it'll pay dividends one day one day one day it will that or we'll just be big in finland you know that's fine of all the countries to be big in finland is where you want to be big i'm good with that by the way i am i am

a midweek jimmy and i'm joined with big tasty tiny b yeah diabolical and coffee dave coffee is the beverage or coffee is in the whatever you feel like the windpipe constrictions yeah whatever you feel like i was feeling fine i was feeling fine i went to go get some some salt i definitely got like table no ground salt since we've had fucking freakish weather all day and yeah definitely flirted with some some honeys at home depot shout out to them for some great customer

service excellent and then yeah i was having i had a coughing attack and then i came here and then i had another coughing attack so So it's going to be a good night, boy. It's going to be fine. You get them. See, you've switched, though, instead of minor little ones. Now you get them out in bulk. You Costco cough. That was a hell of a good for a while. Fuck me. A Kirkland signature cough. Have you guys been watching True Detective? Yeah. There's so much Kirkland.

I know. Like everything. I'm just like, you bought that at Costco. Like they're making, they meet like a thing of pancakes and they have a giant Costco syrup. Yeah. They have the service in Alaska.

It's just it's just nuts how much of it is fucking costco branded i need to i need to start watching it because it's gonna i i know if i wait until the end it's gonna be ruined because episode two is already fucking ruined yeah what happened do you have any opening thoughts on true detective i'm enjoying it so far i don't have any i don't have any issues with it i know i know the fanboys hate it because fucking nick pizzalato or whatever the fuck his name

is oh i And he put on his Instagram thing He's like true detective one to three Not night country and it's like calm Your tits okay you had one Good you had one you had one, amazing season of television and it's been diminishing returns since yep that's it but there's been some like i will go to bat the shootout in season two is is great awesome yeah you talk are you talking about the mansion the mansion scene or the another.

Scene because the mansion scene when they're trying to get mick adams out in season two is absolutely incredible that i don't remember off my head right now there's just a giant fucking okay there's a giant shoot out and they shoot it the same they film it the same way as when the one take is season one where he's like running through like the projects and whatever so they shoot it like that it looks fucking awesome and I was like this is great rest

of the season is just been fun walking through the desert Colin Farrell not not bonding with his son fucking red headed son this fucking text doesn't go through poor little guy but yeah like fuck you Nick pizzalotto like what the fuck was the third season like no one knows it's marginally better it's marginally better and it's got mahershala yeah we get points to mahershala and we watched it together we did yeah we watched it live together it was awesome yeah like

for for i think i will give it more props just because we watched it together yeah yeah and that was that was an enjoyable time at least but it's it's it's been diminishing returns we've established this it's a. Hundred percent like he struck lightning once with mcconaughey and harrelson and i think he owes most of that to mcconaughey and harrelson yeah yeah he does the other two seasons kind of proved that but even with my country

right now like i like it the writing's a little bit at times but that's okay but i just hope they get to the heart of like what has made true detective good which is like really strong character work so we'll see it's going well now Who's running Who's writing it Is it Is it the Lopez. Isa Lopez Isa Lopez is writing it And directing Writing and directing Fuck yes.

Okay Yes yes yes And Jodie Foster's producing Nice So like it's got And she's the lead And she's the lead And she's the lead Yes Yeah That's awesome And it's.

Callie Race I think that's how you say her name She's the The other cop She's the other cop Yeah She was in, What the fuck Catch the Fair One Do you remember that one Catch the Fair One We saw it on Fantasia Oh my god her Yeah she's the lead In that movie so she's like she's not quite the co-lead but like she's second she's a second she's a badass in Catch the Pharoah she's so far she's pretty good amazing I

love it yeah she's a strong female lead I like this yeah very strong female leads and that's, they're playing they're just yeah. By the time you guys listen to this, there'll be more information, but they're just like kind of dishing out a little bit at a time. So that's a little kind of weird and it's more horror. Yeah. I was going to say, I heard it's going back to the horror roots. Yeah. It's definitely much more horrific.

I'm sitting there going, I was, I was watching the episode yesterday and I was sitting there going, I really want to watch the thing now. Oh yeah. And it's on the shelf. It's sitting on the shelf. Yeah. And then I also want to watch that other fucking piece of shit. Cold as night.

Fuck it. But what is it? the 30 days of night yeah i've seen that in like an age and a half that bad yeah i remember it looked good i remember it looked cool well yeah it's david it's david slate like he did he did episodes of hannibal and hannibal is fucking incredible i want to i really want to watch the prequel remake thing of the thing the prequel oh that with mew yeah yeah i want to watch that that again nice i don't think i've ever seen it it's it's just okay

all right we saw in the theater and i think it would they originally were going to do uh practical and then they changed it all to cgi and i think if they kept it with practical it would have been fine you would have been like this is good it's not the thing but it's but it's good yeah but the switch to cgi it looks terrible detriment it definitely is to its detriment fucking practical effects man that always beat I hate them.

Always. That and they also needed to like put themselves in the corner of like, this has to happen in order for it to make sense in this movie type thing, which is annoying. I hate when they do that. It's hard to, yeah. It's a difficult thing because you know what has to follow it. If you're writing a prequel, you're kind of, you're inadvertently backing yourselves into a corner. Exactly. Exactly. But yeah, I really want to watch that one again. Yeah.

Just because i also saw it you you don't know but they have to open the dead guy's phone yeah and they open it and letterboxd is one of the top apps that's amazing and even letterboxd is like oh that's not great oh man yeah it's good shit so far i'm excited i gotta get on board before i'm excited to get spoiled yes so it's catch up when you can and i know you're a little bit tapped Wrapped out content-wise, but. Oh, buddy. We have some moments. Buddy, I find, I schedule it. I schedule my time.

Schedule your viewings. Also, just because I didn't ask you guys as a follow-up, yay or nay to Rick and Morty. We don't need to talk about it. I just want a yay or a nay. Oh, God. We only talked about it halfway. We didn't talk about it to the end or at the end. Ah, I'm behind. You didn't catch up? No. Man, that last episode is fucking crazy. Oh, wild. It's a crazy episode.

Yeah i think i'm behind fuck yeah i remember that final episode that final episode really like brought it home yeah it's like the whole it's a hole in the ground yeah no i'm behind okay for sure behind because it's like it's on the poster type thing that's how important it is and nobody noticed it until after but yeah it's about a hole in the ground and it's all right it's a really fucking good episode yeah what was the last episode i watched it had to be early on.

Still on my list i fell so far off but yeah episode five is a lot okay yeah you gotta keep pop you gotta catch up yeah because it definitely it wasn't like the strongest it wasn't the strongest season but like it definitely had some pretty fucking good episodes and really really good character development i know you guys were kind of like where the fuck is this going type thing or maybe this will just be an off season but it picks up oh okay sure so no that's good they finally

found their footing because that's that's what they started they started they started to develop develop and there's like there's a really good character arc oh okay cool yeah yeah Well, you got some time coming up. You're going on vacation. You got lots of time. Lots of time. Yes. Recording this in the past by the time you guys listen to this. That's how I'll already be on vacation. Yes. I will be soaking and baking in a sun. Why do you guys, I don't know, freeze? Freeze.

It's not supposed to be too bad. We'll be wet. Yeah, it'll be really wet. We'll be damp. Super damp. And the Oscar nominations came out today.

Hell yeah, they did. That's how irrelevant this episode, at least the opening of this episode, is going to be by the time you listen to it yeah and i never never tire of hearing tony say you were right dave about the zone of interest fuck you bro and james talent keep telling me james read out the nominations to me on on the phone today and he just kept saying the zone of interest no matter what it was every category every once it once it

came up once i think again my first joke it got nominated for adapted screenplay and dave what the fuck and after they they then read original screenplay so I threw in zone of interest in there just to fuck with Dave of course yeah, three things yeah fuck you Dave.

Fuck you jonathan glazer okay sorry four things fuck the zone of interest and again fuck you jonathan glazer i'm just happy i'm just happy that i convinced you to go and i'm like this is going to be really fucking important you're going to want to have seen this and you know what you if you didn't see it that day i was never going to see we're never going to see it because fucking a24 has not done a great job fucking distributing it right now it's

probably going gonna explode this weekend finally for sure but like for the long like the the big long running joke on x or the the site formerly known as twitter sure was nobody's fucking seen it yeah yeah like unless you saw it at a festival or you live in los angeles or new york you didn't fucking see it people are coming up to me and they're like what is this zone of interest movie i've never heard of it and i was like zone

of interest i saw that like six months ago where have you been they're like tony we didn't go festival we're like we didn't go festival First day of TIFF That was our second movie And we could have done Anatomy of a Fall first I had already seen it but you could have done it But I'm glad you didn't do the double header Because you would have been done You would have been like I'm going home for the day I'm glad I didn't do sleep Before that

actually to be honest with you Because the fucking sleep was Like it hits you like a sack of bricks What did I see I saw the Australian.

One Yeah you saw Royal Hotel and i saw the argentinian crime thriller that is escaping me right now it's definitely not the title what it was when i saw it right it's a new challenge yeah because i was going through my tiff list and i saw the poster i'm like i don't remember this also this motherfucker told me charlie melton got in and i was really excited and for the record for the record i had two things going in once i was trying to get the oscars feed going and at the same time i had the

cnn live live thing because like there was a like a delay for me because i had to like switch over to a u.s fucking vpn in order to watch the fucking thing live on abc because they geo block you of course fuck them i don't care it's the nominations i don't need to be a u.s citizen to see this, so by the time i got there they had already read out supporting actor so i refreshed cnn and cnn had I had six names, including Melton. And I couldn't, like, I went with the information that I had.

I had no other source of information at the moment. I'm pretty sure. And then right at the end of the show.

We refreshed it and he was gone and it was like oh okay i'm pretty sure cnn reports it and they don't even know what's going on either so they probably pre-wrote the article with literally everything and then just like deleted the ones that didn't get in like all their predictions and just deleted all the ones that didn't get in and then posted it but didn't realize that they only deleted like four instead of five possible supporting actor noms i'm just excited Tony has to see Nyad now.

I need you too. Yeah, so I have to see Nyad. Fucking Nyad. It's not bad. It's not a bad movie. It's not bad at all. It's just I don't like Annette Bening getting a nomination for that. Well, what can you do when you live in a shoe? Jodie Foster? Sure. But Annette Bening? I don't think we need Annette Bening in there. There's one thing I want to talk about, though. Sure. How can you- Is it Jodie Foster? No, it's not Jodie Foster. Call back Jodie Foster.

I love that. that how do you not nominate the actress in the movie like barbie how do you the whole movie is about the patriarch and how like you know feminism yet they nominate ken and not barbie and america ferreira and america ferreira you're basically proving the thesis of the film like you're You're basically proving Greta's point. Yeah. Well, it's that or it's more of you could look at it, I guess, that way. Sure. Or you could also look at it as they didn't like her performance.

It was a hard category, too. I get it. Like, I get that. Benning, notwithstanding, like, yeah, Gladstone is awesome. Awesome. Stone puts in the best work of her career. Sandra Huller.

Awesome in that movie okay carrie mulligan is like the only good thing about maestro see you know what i would swap i would swap i would i don't think carrie mulligan no no offense to carrie mulligan and her performance in maestro but i feel like robbie should be there oh the other thing is they went hard for maestro like which they shouldn't have they obviously were always gonna go hard for fucking maestro it's original screenplay original screenplay is a

a little okay that's pushing it that's pushing it just like fucking zone of interest is pushing it for adapted but fucking mulligan was always going to get in it's benning that was kind of the wild card but all of this said yeah greta gerwig still got a screenplay nomination so she still was nominated yeah adapted adapted screenplay her missing director kind of gives them even more more of a reason to let her win or to award

her and adapted and Margo did get nominated in picture so it's not like she's a producer it's not like they went empty handed but yes it is it's strange it is strange and right Gosling and Ferreira both like put out statements that they were disappointed I've never seen ever, that they that they're like we got in this is great but we're really disappointed that these people didn't never seen that happen yeah.

So but interesting and our boy Wes Anderson chances are he's gonna win fingers crossed final finally him and Nolan first year they're finally both gonna win I think it's Nolan.

For director yeah or or pitcher like i think he's fine yeah he's getting something yeah they got 13 fucking noms he's getting something that doesn't always mean something that i was no i know but it's deece you know what i got a feeling that's not gonna get a single award on oscar interest it's killers of the flower moon yep i'm a little worried about that too right i was looking i was looking at all the category i had all the categories and stuff that i was nominated for

i'm just like it's gonna be like the irishman all over again and gangs in new york and gangs they all got nominated for they bought all three of them nominated for 10 yeah and then two of them completely blanked at least a nero got in this time yeah yeah i'm hoping they scoop up some.

Things somewhere i'm hoping gladstone wins still i really hope she wins and i kind of think that they're going to come up with a narrative for robbie robertson to win and the song got in which was a is a surprise and the score is in there yeah that's well when i said robbie robertson i was talking about okay i'm sorry yes i was talking about the score because the movie's dedicated to him yeah correct and it's his last score and like we don't need to give it to john williams for

indiana jones and the dial of who the fuck cares that not even the score of that movie is memorable i'm sorry john like you're a legend of a composer you're on a first name name with john yeah yeah i've watched enough of his films you playing bridge please bridge on sundays yeah i tried we tried to build houses of cards but he's a little yeah he's got the i heard he unretired which is kind of hilarious i feel like he's done that at least like

four times now yeah i'm unretired to write one more score because i don't know george lucas can't He's in his 90s for sure. He's most certainly in his 90s. Yeah. And Teacher's Lounge got in. Yeah. Which we were excited about. Very good movie. Very good movie. Very upset about Ninja Turtles. Yeah. I didn't think it was ever going to get nominated, but then like towards the end, like I started to get a little bit of hope. And yeah. I mean, considering, considering its visual style and approach,

I was really hoping it would have maybe not been there where fucking Elemental was, but. Yeah. Elemental didn't need to be there. Yeah. They were always going to give it at least to Elemental.

I know. We're Elemental or Wish. wish we could no they were never gonna give it to wish but they could have given it they could have taken a knee finally yeah what's this what's this robot dreams movie it was a tiff apparently it's really good apparently it's no dialogue no dialogue apparently it's really fucking good cool we'll get some stuff too much before yeah we definitely got lots to watch yeah we gotta cut we gotta watch for sure i guess the last thing for me spider-man in

one category yeah Come on now. Yeah. Come on now. Yeah. That's terrible. Like the score and the screenplay alone should like we can like you say what you want about the zone of interest. It's not a screenplay movie, guys. Come on now. Yeah. Like, let's be serious. Jonathan Glazer got in multiple categories. We don't need to give him another. We don't need to jerk off Jonathan Glazer. Okay. He's made four movies. Calm down, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Calm down. Very true.

Anything else you guys want to say before we get into the. No. The meat and potatoes this episode the start of our retrospective series I like that we're starting early go ahead one last thing yeah big special, shout out to Godzilla minus one yeah see the video of them reacting to amazing so fucking good I want them to win just for that because you can tell how much it fucking means to them and that movie was so good and I'm so happy on the ballot card I don't care I know my gut

is probably probably gonna say like no you're stupid don't give it don't mark down godzilla minus when you lose that category but i don't care i can't do it i'm fucking doing it do you see all the godzilla toys on the on the table no i didn't actually there's a bunch of there's a bunch of toys on godzilla like looking up at the screen that's amazing that's awesome yeah i saw that video that was a great video actually i saw that video there was one from anatomy

of a fall that was great and robot dreams cool nice like just like their reaction videos i guess they filmed them them just in case they get in. Yeah. Yeah. If they don't get in, it's, they don't put up this, this is the reaction they just deleted. But yeah, the genuine, the, the excitement was, is amazing. So good. So, so good. Yeah. Cool. All right, let's get this, get this fucker started. Music.

Which i like because maybe we'll get back through we didn't get through that many decades in in 2023 i think we got down to what 83 and yeah we only did 93 and 83 yeah in the previous year we got up to 62 yeah so maybe maybe we'll see we'll see how far back maybe we can get into the 50s this year that would be wild it just depends how how the release schedule goes bonus episodes we see how many bonus episodes we go because you know the reason we're

doing this is because there's There's nothing else. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll see. You know, maybe it'll be a banger year. Maybe it'll be a retrospective year. We'll see what we get up to. No. We shall see. But to kick this off, as we always do, we always start off in the 90s. So this year retrospective is 1994. Full 30 years ago. Fuck off. I don't remember a lot about 1994. I do remember. Oh, yeah. I guess my first memory does exist from 1994.

Because that's when i went to cuba and the crab chased me back to the room that's amazing that's funny so welcome we're into my memory stage now i love that lion king was 94 right yes i have memories of going to the lion king that's amazing i know we talk about 1999 being like the pinnacle of like the last like 30 40 years being like the year sure but i think 94 was an amazing year too boys i wrote down a bunch of movies that came out in 1994 and i feel i swear to god are you

you gonna read out 89 movies no it won't take long but i feel i don't know about you but i feel like this is the year that tony and i really got into movies yeah i feel like this is the year so first off my absolute number one favorite movie of all time is pulp fiction that came out that was not before that's true and fucking that was nominated for best picture along with forrest gump which i have seen way too many times so no same so so much that i didn't realize people hate forrest scum

yeah people have a little bit of a hatred for forrest gump i was like what are you talking about we watched the same movie what was the last time you watched it though it's been a while i didn't mind it the last time i watched it was more recently yeah i watched it within the last two or three years i didn't i'm considered for best picture of course i didn't mind it like it might not be like i don't hate his knees that i thought back then

exactly and but also we used to watch that a lot that movie's like.

Two and a half hours we used to watch it yeah religiously we wore out that we wore out that vhs tape for sure also that year best picture four weddings and a funeral nuts quiz show which i wish i picked for this episode because i've always wanted to see quiz show i have no idea what that is and the shawshank redemption oh yeah yeah like talk about a fucking banner year for fucking best picture yeah seriously they fucking picked forrest gump you know what it's fine that they i don't i don't hate

that they picked forrest gump but holy shit like that that list yeah but this is what else came out in 94 tony okay the lion king which you mentioned already yeah speed nice true lies yeah leon the professional yeah oh my god the santa claus yeah the flintstones yeah uh the triple header of ace ventura pet detective dumb and dumber and the mask sorry the mask was was between dumb and dumber and ace ventura.

All the same year all the same year kerry was pulling man he was fucking like think of how fucking crazy that would have been those three and then he like went right into batman forever and then he got 20 million for the cable guy like what holy shit for those three years for him do you think in this contract he just had a cocaine rider because like i don't think he's a cocaine rider buddy i think he just like he had the rider that said i'm not gonna take speed

like I'm not going to take my meds for sure. A few weeks. Yeah. I'm going to put my meds down for a few weeks. Oh God. What did I get up to? Your favorite clear and present danger. Sure. Interview with a vampire, which I've never seen. I always wanted to. Disclosure. Michael Douglas. Legends of the fall. Yeah. The specialist. Yeah. The pro. Jesus. Natural born killers. Oh my Christ. Ed Wood.

Yeah. Angels in the outfield. Yeah. best friend of the podcast matt layton's favorite 1994 movie apparently the little rascals yeah do you remember do you remember yeah we wore out that vh so many times you know fucking donald trump's in that he has like a yeah yeah yeah fuck ruined that movie d2 the mighty ducks banger time cop banger uh the remake of the jungle book with jason scott lee banger junior banger street fighter Banger. Beverly Hills Cop 3.

Oh, well, no. Let's put that one back in the bowl. I'm only mentioning that one just as kind of...

Foreshadowing for later this year yeah yeah when axel foley comes out stupid title but like sure i'm like did you guys see that trailer that the trailer was all for it amazing all for it what else we got wyatt which we talked about red box west what i've talked about multiple times nice little giants which we watched a lot banger west craven's new nightmare banger monkey trouble which we watched a lot the page master with our boy macaulay culkin more

of a banger three ninjas just kick back oh cereal mom jesus the next karate kid all right no getting into the drags nobody's fool bullets over broadway nice airheads yes heavenly creatures yeah double dragon oh double dragon come on chronos the hot sucker proxy reality bites mary shelly's frankenstein nice house party three three james did you hear that three of them there's three of them and because we're in sundance right now and it literally just happened the 30th anniversary of clerk oh

yeah that's incredible and what a year that's 94 what a year wow and we chose none of these movies to talk about no no we didn't we didn't read through a list and tony was creaming his jeans over there I almost I almost picked time cough I'm not gonna lie I. Almost did I would watch time cough that movie's great out of the entire list of bangers Mia Sarah man John Claude damn yeah Van Damme Van Damme if we do 95 we got the son of death son of death is a fucking

banger absolutely die hard in a hockey arena fuck yeah fuck yeah so yes out of the entire list of 78 movies that Dave just read out and it's not that many it's probably like 45 50.

It's a lot of fucking movies though and there's a lot of movies that we definitely watch more than once yeah absolutely yeah absolutely 10 times probably some of those more than 10 yes and yeah holy shit triple feature of fucking Ace Ventura the massive Dumb and Dumber in the same year wow wow wow wow wow wow we wow we wow but so since we were talking about Sundance yeah and we talk about clerks yeah out it feels relevant that i should go first because

my pick was a movie that came out at sundance that year and is considered one of the best documentaries of all time even though it was nominated for the academy award for documentary but was nominated for best editing which wild it's a insanely wild it is a three a nearly three hour documentary called hoop dreams fuck yeah which has an amazing fucking title track oh let me tell you yeah the moment that this documentary opened up with his own fucking theme song I went what is this,

do you see with theme songs like that that's awesome yeah so the reason I've always wanted to see who really wanted to know what the bowling for Columbine theme song would be though I don't know, From my told dad. Rough. The opening of that movie was awesome, too. Remember that time we met him at TIFF? We did. Yeah, Michael Moore. He had to hold your kid. He got you to hold his candy. I held his candy while he got out of his seat. Fucking guy. My dad got a photo of him that year. He's like,

Mr. Moore, can I get a photo? I'm like, Dad, do you know who that is? Come on now. Come on now. Amazing. He was so excited. Amazing. The picture's garbage. It's amazing. It's still fun. Yeah, very fun. We digress. We did digress a little bit. I'll ask afterwards. I know we digress. I'll ask afterwards about your favorite documentaries because I think that that's important. Sure. But so Hoop Dreams follows two kids in Chicago.

They're two African-American kids and they're not from well-off families and they both really want to make it in the NBA. That is their goal. They want to hit the NBA.

Yep. and they're both very gifted basketball players so it kind of follows them basically as they're going into high school because they're gonna they go they go in like just before high school into high school yeah yeah so it follows them into high school and then after high school right so for for for uh it's william gates i think right yes i believe that's his name so he's he is entering high school at the start of this movie or at the start of

the documentary and you follow I follow him into university. Okay. Yeah. For the other kid, he is in. Is that his name? I'll look it up. You guys keep talking. For the other kid, he is in middle school. Okay. So you follow him starting middle school and then getting into high school. And then William Gates and Arthur Agee. Aggie? Aggie. But they both end up at the same high school for like a small chunk, right? Yeah, because that high, because it's like a gifted, it's like a private high school.

Maybe it is like eight into nine and then. Because Gates is in like 11. Yeah. He was already there. Okay. Either way, they both go to this high school at first. That's how it starts.

Yes. And then they're just kind of going through the ranks. But then Aggie, is that aggie aggie yeah he gets kicked out correct and then kind of like it follows him like as he digresses away type thing but it's about kind of like their struggles and being an african-american family both of them and kind of what they're going through living in chicago and trying to achieve the american dream but they keep getting kicked back because they're not rich upper class

white kids correct yeah right and they have to rely on basically the kindness of strangers to kind of help them out to kind of help them progress and they keep talking most of there's a couple of bits in it where like i guess when they are when they're with aggie at the public school where they're talking about like these kids are just happy to graduate yeah because most of them just end up at this on the street which is fucking crazy it's nuts and then spike lee comes in for

like a fucking devastating moment where he's just like Like, you're just here to make them look good, make them money, which is fucking devastating. That was a ridiculous scene. All of that to say... I think it's, I think it's an amazing documentary and it reminded me a lot of boyhood just because you watch them grow up pretty much, which is crazy. Yeah. And you kind of see like rise and fall, rise and fall, rise and fall. And just like they're ahead, then they're behind and they're ahead,

then they're behind. And I thought it was just, just tracking them. And like, it didn't feel like three hours to me. Like it definitely, it moved. It definitely moved. I would say that.

It definitely moved. And it reminded me of that. And for some reason I kept coming back to oj made in america okay that was what it kind of reminded me of too which is what a five six hour documentary yeah but like that is about similar thing of an african-american kind of rising up the ranks and then something well i don't think these kids yeah but like kind of just like his struggles getting to where he did and kind of i don't know just that it's kind of an unflinching look at the life of

a young black kid and in Chicago Chicago like inner city Chicago yeah but like you can you can you can piece it together for you can generalize slightly more than that like yes it's specific to Chicago in a lot of ways but also just in like the experience that they are living through is not uncommon not at all even today which is a fucking atrocious thing to say considering their circumstances aren't great and it's been 30 years and it's still not great.

Yeah, like I know we're talking from a place of somewhat privilege at least, but yeah, it's still not great. Like things haven't changed. It's still a fucking really relevant movie. Yeah. Yeah. Although the fucking, the narration, like. Narration, narration got to me a little bit. He's clutch when he has to throw free throws. Okay, man. Don't talk like that.

There was a lot sort of about its production and it very much felt like this set out from the start to be a tv mini series that's what it felt like it felt like very like tv newscast like that like even set up video that video cam-esque style it wasn't even supposed to be a mini series just to be like a one-off 30 minute 30 minute thing that got bigger because they just kept following them yeah and like you can tell that it but it was meant for tv and the way that

was shot it was definitely shot to tape yes and not to film and that quality and degradation is still still there even though you know criterion's done their best to it's criterion right it's a criterion yeah they've done their best to like preserve and restore and there's there was a blurb i think right at the beginning they talked sort of about the restoration of this movie but and how the academy helped and how the academy helped you stepped in yeah i'm glad you guys stepped in after the fact

i didn't know they're all about after the fact like they're fucking like leaning into the.

What is her name i'm blanking right now america for grammar no no jody foster no the historical took uh accepted the award for marlon brando oh equal satchin satchin little feather yeah they're like leaning into that of the academy museum now and like talking i wonder why they're good after the fact that was great after fuckers never in the moment meanwhile super racist john wayne wanted to fucking murder on live television yeah yeah now we can talk about it okay but

wait did you guys like i really enjoyed it and like the three hour when you guys were like you really want to watch a three-hour movie about inner city kids playing basketball dave and i was like but it really like it didn't feel three hours it felt like it it was a long movie but like i was invested i mean yeah i was i was literally at the screen going what the fuck for a few things that happened and like oh man like you feel it can yeah you feel is it a spoiler for a 30 year old movie i think

no no it's no one talk about like you know when when eggy's dad.

Leaves and then like he sees him like i don't know i think it was like two or three years later he hadn't seen him in a few years and then he shows up the basketball court and then immediately after shooting a couple hoops goes and just like buys drugs i was just like i think that i think he was only i think he was only a few months the other guy was a few months yeah that's right the other guys that showed up yeah showed up when he thought he could get a payday out of it yeah,

but yeah all that to say like you immediately watch him buying drugs oh man and just like his relationship with his dad just fucking deteriorated over that entire movie like it started off so strong but like i appreciate the documentary for just being like so unflinching yeah and just like fuck we're not rose-colored glasses in this this is like legitimately this is this kid's life this is what he's going through and also when fucking gates

is just like i've been keeping a secret from one surprise child yeah that what the fuck yeah when that happened i was like oh man no. What are you doing no man come on oh also when they show him uh getting surgery on his knee i was like i don't need to see this much fluid coming out of this oh man it's documentary man they're just telling the story cartilage yeah do you want to see do you want to see what the the inside of someone's knee looks like here's the cartilage shot

it's like oh god yeah but it doesn't it doesn't feel raw and it doesn't feel um it still feels very polished it feels polished and it feels it does like it's just this is just it yeah they're just telling they're not telling the story they're not trying to hide anything they're not stopping yeah for like the mic drop type thing they're just like this is it this is it even as you mentioned the the spike lee coming coming in and saying a few words was just in the like it

wasn't like framed and set up like a big it was just there it just happened which I just like this is devastating like that's Spike Lee I think if this movie was made today there would definitely be mic drop moments yeah oh well first of all this would definitely have been a miniseries yeah this would have definitely thing would have been at the year yeah yeah for sure but if they were to make the same movie yeah yeah yeah like another three hour movie that would have

been they would have definitely framed up Spike Lee they would have done that right after that they would have definitely like.

Way like really built into him being like hey i have a daughter and they would have they would have like sensationalized oh yeah him buying drugs type thing yeah versus just like you've had the score come over at war oh yeah he's he's totally just he played with his son and now he's going to go buy some crap buying some crack and just like the way they're talking and just the matter of factness and they're like even this is what's happening today guys like

shortly after to that when when you know his dad finally comes back in the picture he's now clean and sober went to jail found jesus as you do there's only other one other way to do in town beautiful voice yes well anyways of an angel that's where i'm getting towards right so then you're seeing them at that sunday service and and he's up there singing a great song and then you just like you cut to to steve and he's steve uh nope no it's not no arthur i'm sorry arthur a a arthur eggy.

Cut to arthur and he's just kind of like like i don't give a fuck about this man's bullshit right now and like just leaves the church and they just follow him outside like it's not like running after him it's just like cut to him just kind of standing outside catching his breath and like there's nothing kind of more to say like it's very it's very just like this is it we're just, holding up a camera to this kid's life and whatever happens happens but we're not gonna like i just sensationalize

it's not sensationalized it's just very matter of fact yeah exactly. Except for those fucking basketball games oh yeah.

And those are shitting also what the fuck the states it's like a high school inner city chicago basketball game and there's like a band going off and like the seats are filled to the rafters i was like i'm pretty sure a volleyball game in my high school got 10 people to come out and it was like the parents i've played in the states they're fucking wild like yeah those they did very you you're talking about shooting shooting the tape and stuff they film those those basketball scenes are awesome

sometimes a little bit espn sports highlighting i don't even that's fine it looks all those are high school high school kids in the 90s yeah awesome yeah or sorry not even late 80s early 90s yeah like when they when they when they get to go to the the inner city stadium or not the inner city just the stadium that they get to go play at and they're facing that team and they figure out the team's play style and just immediately spin that and use that against

them and it's like he's up against these like seven foot giant white monsters of children that like i'm like these kids are like these there's like 16 years old this guy's seven feet tall and he's like 15 or 16 years old this guy is not right yeah he's gigantic yeah and like the but the fact that they fucking win that game was was just like i was like fuck yeah like right yeah like the highs are high and the lows are low

like holy jesus and fuck that one coach at the at the preppy high school who's he has like the. Little pipe thing oh fuck you not like uh pinkator no fuck him is he the one that left him off spirit animal because like at one point one of the one of the the players I can't remember if it was Arthur the other one they get they get, stop playing and then he gets kicked off the team right I guess so yeah because he has all the knee injuries yeah yeah William yeah William.

That's what I wanted to bring up I was getting I actually got a lot of PTSD from it like from the fucking from all the high school shit in the high school politics and stuff it just reminded me of all the time that I played in high school just like it was no easy time playing in high school and even rap rap is even worse sure you weren't at that level though for you what the level that they're playing at I played I played triple A, in rep and I played. Would that be varsity?

In high school I did play varsity. I played junior varsity. That would be the equivalent to Canadian versus the States. In Canada it's... I just blank out on that moment. I had a girlfriend so I just blanked on all of that. In the States it's varsity. It's like your junior varsity, your senior varsity kind of thing. In Canada it's in high school.

I don't know if they've changed it but it was in grade 9 it was midget and then grade 10 it was junior is it still midget that seems offensive right but like it was only it was only grade nines you were only allowed in grade nine junior if you were good enough in grade nine you could play junior it was nine and ten but like they would they would rarely ever pick any grade nines because everyone was playing a midget and then senior would be grade 11 grade 12 and i didn't

i got cut both years of senior but i was on the team in midget and junior but i played rep all through my teens. You would have won me in the championship. I would have. Bitch, if you fucking. I won the championship the next year. You didn't break your finger, you little bitch. And also a small difference that, you know, we don't have high school tuitions to pay. They get people kicked out of fucking high school because they didn't pay their bills.

Right. Well, there's a couple of preppy high schools here. Okay. There are some, but it's not. It's not. Yeah. It's not the same as it is there. Yeah. But it's intense. Like what do you, what do you guys feel on the basketball? During some of those basketball scenes like I fucking lived that that was watching the movie brought up a lot of memory so I'm good and obviously something bad too did Matt fuck did Patrick watch Hoop Dreams?

He must have seen this movie. He's definitely heard of it I know that I'm not sure if you've seen it.

I know you guys didn't talk about this last year. No we didn't and we definitely should have but yeah that was also part of the reason why I picked this because you guys didn't talk about it last time I don't know but I like I would love to I would love for him to to to just get behind it and see what he thinks of it because like he got much further in basketball than I did right so he must have saw a hell of a lot more shit too yeah and yeah he definitely went through

some shit yeah yeah all right well friend of the podcast Patrick please watch Hoop Dreams and report back to us absolutely we want to know your thoughts but I think it's a high recommend I loved it I don't know if I'm gonna, go out and buy the Criterion but I do I did really really he draws the line at Hoop Dreams but he got but he got sallow obviously okay come on now it's sallow okay so maybe i'll wait for the 4k okay the 4k restoration of hoop i'll wait for the 4k that magnetic tape

quality is gonna look even better you can really see them shifting in the 30 hertz refresh rate i was at half expecting the fucking tracking bar to come up right during the movie yeah oh and the last dance That was the other one I was thinking of too. Yeah, that reminded me of The Last Dance a lot too. Yeah. Yeah. I saw Dennis Rodman at a cheesecake factory in LA. Yeah, she did. It was fun. Yeah, she did. And like somebody literally like cussed him out and like wanted

him to leave. That makes sense. He was an odd gentleman. He was a very, very odd gentleman. Hell of a rebounder though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was great at what he did, but he's an odd guy. And what's his nuts isn't playing him in the movie anymore. Thank you. Jonathan Major. Jonathan Major. Yeah. Probably for the best. Probably for the best. Well, maybe they just don't need to make that movie. They 100% need to make that movie. Come on. I need to know what happened in Vegas.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, Tony. Except herpes. Except herpes. That shit comes back. That shit comes back. So I definitely recommend this. And I thought it was great. Yeah, I would say I would recommend it too. I definitely don't have a desire to ever see it again. but only because like what are you going to do you're working on Sunday and you're going through the thing three hours dreams.

Fuck it maybe but yeah definitely high recommend if you haven't seen it like now is the time how many like you feel the same way, yeah I would say I would yes it exceeded my expectations in a lot of ways of a three hour inner city kid basketball movie documentary right i was like i kind of got it and then as it was going i exceeded my expectations yeah so i didn't it didn't i didn't what i shouldn't say that it was interesting to see how documentaries

were made back then for sure right because like 94 like documentaries weren't like weren't as apparent as they are now yeah right whereas like well they're a lot more cinematic they're a lot more cinematic now and they've definitely they've definitely done a change and netflix for that Yeah fucking Netflix But it's interesting to see Because that's one of the early documentaries So it's interesting I understand that But name a documentary Pre 90s Roger and Me Okay,

That's not directed by Michael Moore and is not Nanook of the North. Oh, but Nanook the North. Why are you going to put all these fucking provisions, Tom? Why are you going to do that to me? You know. Why are you going to do that? You can't deny the majesty of Nanook the North. That was a criteria. I should have gotten that. Enough. But how many documentaries would you re-watch? Not many.

Not many. Right? Like, once you see it. Like, I want to watch Fahrenheit 9-11 again because i remember that was a big fucking deal yeah and i saw that theatrically rewatch that theatrically packed house like oh yeah how the like and that was just a regular that wasn't like a fucking festival screen and that was just that was an ancaster random ancaster kids all went to go see this fucking documentary which is crazy yes and it made over 100 million dollars crazy.

Yeah but there's a lot that's one i would want to rewatch it yeah there's a lot of them that kind of deal with at least the more member ones well the ones that are sticking out the most in my head are the ones that kind of dealt with they always tend to be the ones that deal with more heavy subject matter which leads to less, rewatch ability because it's like fuck I don't like I don't want to fucking watch Blackfish like yeah I don't want to slit my wrists in a bathtub like dear Zachary or yeah,

what was another one even the one all the beauty in the bloodshed yeah I'd rewatch watch that you'd watch that one you buy in that criteria i might i just might i really like i really like that one what's the one you have you have it dick dick johnson yeah that one yeah i agree watch that one that one's really good what about the one my octopus teacher where he totally he skips therapy and definitely fucks that octopus

no fuck that movie apparently my octopus teacher that's my octopus teacher they made another another movie recently recently too same guys yeah oh my christ who was the one that won last year. It wasn't Beauty and the Bloodshed. It was something else. We've definitely seen it. It wasn't Flea. That was a year before. Flea is the one that I was thinking about. Waltz with Brashear. Yeah, I might watch Waltz with Brashear. You know what?

Part of the reason is that it's animated and just like the overall style. Yeah. Flea is one that I could watch again because the story is not as much of a bummer.

It's wild. It's wild too and it's it's beautifully done all of that i watched i watched one last year for tribeca transition yeah you've been on and on about transition buddy yeah that movie if it comes out i will go i will watch it yeah but the volume navalli navalli i still need to see navalli you definitely need to watch navalli i missed it i missed it love was last year too oh yes that was a good one yeah and like you know like we've been going to you know we've done

two years in the row of doing hot dogs now yeah absolutely three three because hot dogs loves us for inexplicable reasons but i appreciate them all the same i appreciate them too yeah like even out of those like i i i tend like the i think the ones that are more of like a bummer tend to leave a more of a an impact on your brain like you tend to you can grab onto it more but you know like one that i keep thinking about at least from this year was spokes on a sisters like

that still yeah sits in in my head i'm kind of bummed that it has the oscar which missed the oscars which bums me out a bit but like that one has lived in my head sort of rent free since i saw it and that's not yeah that much of a bummer yeah it's heavy gorgeous movie but gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous yeah i don't know anyway all i'm gonna say hoop dreams yeah fuck yeah hoop dreams hoop dreams but yeah maybe we shift to a movie that actually came that showed up at festivals in 94 but

actually came out in 95 but we're still gonna count it anyway, James.

If it was released for a festival it was released you fucking tell that to zone of interest yeah i know no one's fucking seen that movie i know just these bougie bitches well you know again it came out at a festival dave so is it a 2023 movie or 2024 i know i. Know so you continue i want to talk about in the mouth of madness yes fuck yeah johnny carpenter just i i think i unashamedly love john carpenter in so many different ways like even some

of his bad movies i don't know there's still something to go to mars you shut up about ghost of mars ice cube is a goddamn legend from la jason stanford's in that movie too the fuck cares i care obviously yeah we're going home and watching ghost of mars who's the lead natasa henstridge yes yes yes that's who the so look all right maybe they're not all winners but are you kidding he's got a great repertoire war literally ice cube literally throws throws natasha

hentrich a goddamn machine gun and he's like time to stay alive okay ice cube let's fucking go work some bitches yeah you're you're marking the ghosts somewhere i'm going home and watching it i don't know about you i just remembered how badass that movie is all this to say john carpenter's in the mouth of madness yes tell us about it starts off with a immediately gives me like one of the best performances i've ever seen sam neill give oh yeah like holy shit.

Can that man do manic like yeah it was fucking insane like yeah yeah certifiable considering and like he just fucking he goes for it he goes just commits to this fucking part and for the entirety of this movie just is given it his all the entire time well he goes back to he's not as manic when he when they go when they when they When they first started off. When they, what, Tarantino type thing. Yes, yeah. When they Rosham on it back to the beginning.

Yeah okay fine he gets to tone it down but you get to see him slowly lose his mind more and more as this movie gets on as he goes into the mouth of madness as he goes into the mouth of madness as it were this movie is fucking wild just gnarly as fuck it is it is pretty fucking gnarly like it goes like it goes places yeah it takes you there that entire thing with like the creepy ass kid riding the bicycle down the road and then it's an old man it's an old man for

the rest of the movie feet right and then it is and then it's hayden christianson and then it's a very very small baby christianson it was yeah it was very body horror i didn't i didn't expect yeah i did not expect the body horror yeah he was calling it was calling it was calling some cronenberg did you guys know like that fucking that that creepy little town that's like markham yeah it filled it in ontario like that black church is like the russian orthodox church or something in markham

yeah Yeah, that tracks. That tracks. Yeah, it's... You can go to that church if you want to. I'm good. Maybe we don't need to. But you could. Maybe we don't need to. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. But also, speaking of that church where they're fucking... They're doing the kid and the doors keep opening and closing and then all of a sudden it's the fucking writer. It's Sutter Cain just standing there. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah.

The rottweilers yeah yeah he had the he had the dogs the dogs oh release the hounds the hounds and that was jurgen jurgen yeah great actor great great actor great great actor and also fucking david warner was in this oh yeah i love david warner and because i already mentioned charlton heston charlton heston yeah this movie fucking go like like it went for it yeah and the fact that like once you sort of figure out what's going on and i mean again spoilery it's also very

like alan wakey in the way of just like hey what is being written is what is happening and like i'm sure it was an influence on island wake later on.

Yeah but for sure it like it was a very interesting sort of take on it and like the terror that's happening in this small town that is being that does it exist does it not exist exist is it in a pocket dimension that sutter kane created what it like how much control do you have over yourself like who's the author of your story sort of thing like it's it just like that scene towards like in the middle of the town where he pops into i think it's like a bar or something

and the the dad of the kid is there and oh yeah fucking just sits down he's like i can't oh it's like fucking just that's how i'm written just that's how i'm written it just fucking just blows his brains out and i was just what the like it just goes yeah man that one part's a little silly though where he keeps driving off and they keep showing back yeah that was stupid i'm like this is a bit much guys and you i know it wasn't goopy but you're all big on

fucking hp lovecraft so oh yeah how do you feel about that oh man like once once you figure out what's happening and like Like when he gets dials.

Okay yeah yeah yeah so when she got and sheing him and then like does that like reveal of like the monster behind shutter cane like i'm like oh this this movie's not fucking playing around anymore right and then it just goes full lovecraft from there yeah also styles getting out of the car backwards and upside down that was like what the fuck that was there's definitely some fucked up imagery in this and i'm glad i finally figured

out what that meme of him him eating popcorn in the theater oh yeah.

Just cackling laughing his head off at his own life it's fucking yeah I feel like this is like lesser like lesser carpenter at least in discussions because like yeah I don't hear this movie come up very often when you're talking John Carpenter but again when you're talking John Carpenter you got Halloween and the thing like everything else is lesser John Carpenter or fucking go to Mars over here the fuck out of here, but it's a banger it's really good,

it's playing for keeps and it's short and sweet good lord, you're seeing why I picked this movie I am and like I know you guys watched it you guys watched it online but I have the Scream Factory DVD Blu-ray and the main I just had it on the main menu and I think I was talking to you guys, it's just the fucking opening track which is this movie was metal like it's literally i was like i don't even want to i just want to sit here with the fucking

main menu credits are rolling the credit sequence at the end that was fucking i was just like fuck yeah hell fucking yeah, this movie is metal and just goes for it what was the other thing yeah because most usually the main menu has something going on but it was just a static image i was like i'm just gonna listen in this fucking track forever yeah yeah fuck yeah incredible work yeah but yeah it's a solid movie.

There's some there's some messy parts yeah but and it's cheaply made type thing it absolutely is but you know what it works but the practical effects man like there's some of those creatures some of the creature effects especially like towards the end when he's getting chased down the corridor and that was very hell razory that's what i thought i definitely was like Hellraiser Yeah But like I keep I keep harping on it man I sound like a broken

record And people probably Fucking hate me When I do this But like practical Effects man Oh yeah It's huge It's so good It gives you So much more value It gives you Everything that CGI can't Yep.

Because you're you're you're you're creating this you're not using a computer to create it you're literally creating the puppets the imagery it's right there all in camera yeah and it's incredible 100 yeah a fucking banger of a sam neill performance yeah that's top shelf sam neill he did this and fucking event horizon like i want to see what he's like in event horizon he's fucking crazy in event horizon tony that movie's that movie is fucked from jump like jump

street it's beyond Jump Street man that movie is fucked alright I like it a lot it's a mess because it got cut to shit but it is fucking crazy nice and he's nuts in it he's nuts here, it's like he like walked off the set here he's like alright same character alright let's go same character but in space alright. Yeah that movie's fucking crazy nice yeah that wild it was a good time But I'm coming on recommend, strong recommend. For sure. Top tier John Carpenter, for sure.

Definitely underrated John Carpenter. It needs to be seen by more and talked about by more. But like...

Fucking yeah and we know what that popcorn thing's from now that's awesome yeah i'm glad we know the context of that and that that just him in that scene amazing he's just yeah like he's just unhinged like he was just like oh i'm a i'm manic borderline personality disorder schizophrenic i can do that and just clocks it all the way up and takes off yeah it's like a 13 man not even 11 it's a 13 cranked it up ripped the knob off just like i don't fucking care let's go and what is just

like I don't know to me I guess Sam Neill in my head has always been like Jurassic Park or Grant yeah Dr. Alan Grant or Peaky Blinders man I haven't watched all Peaky Blinders which is he's in the he's in the he's in the first either the first season or the second season I haven't watched up to the point where Sam Neill shows oh my god he's maybe I have okay yes I think I know what you're talking about legendary.

What was a Tychus movie hunt for the wilder pun for wilder people yeah he was good for that he was good about i really liked him in but again sort of like a not over the top performance very subtle yeah and that was a so this was kind of like a a big switch for me or like even you know hunt for red october which around you know four years earlier he has an image in my head anyway that was not the performance that he gave let's be really he's alan grant yeah right when we

think of san neil we think of alan grant yeah Yeah, exactly. I think about him in the piano. No, you don't. I really want to see Possession. Have you guys seen Possession? No, it was just a German one, right? Yeah. No, I haven't seen that. I want to see that. Apparently that movie's fucked. All right. I really want to see that. So apparently he just likes doing fucked horror movies. Oh, he's in Escape Plan. Nice. Yeah. I was always in The Commuter.

Yeah. I saw that. I saw both of those movies theatrical. Dave. Also, he's in The Legend of the Guardians. The Owls of Gahool. Gahool. All right. Which I've heard is actually not that bad a movie.

I heard it's actually pretty good too It's Snyder buddy I was gonna say Snyder Bros don't talk about it but it's a Snyder movie It's apparently not bad, Apparently 300 4k It's on sale today, That's my first blu-ray Nice shout out to the ex-girlfriend Who bought that for me Why don't we not shout her out Let's not say we didn't So.

Strong recommend Strong recommend strong recommend strong recommend all right although i will one last thing about sam neill it's fucking top top film on letterboxd is thor ragnarok and i think he's in that movie for all of like a minute and a half seconds yeah yeah it's a favorite to taika fuck yeah so that's two bangers, send us home tony are you gonna send us home on a banger yeah did you pick a did you pick a winner.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a winger. It's definitely like solid, but I wouldn't overly say it's a banger. I'm of course talking about the sci-fi classic from one of our favorite filmmakers, Roland Emmerich. Fuck right off. Let me tell you about how I felt when fucking Roland Emmerich's name came. I try to go into these with knowing as little as possible if you haven't guessed and like, carry on.

I'm of course talking about the 94 sci-fi classic known as stargate kicked off an entire tv show franchise it kicked off a huge multimedia franchise it was supposed to be a trilogy it ends on the end yeah yeah yeah we'll get to the end tell us about what we're gonna get to a lot of this movie spin us a yarn about stargate tony how do i explain this in the least least least complicated so basically a dimension to another world too long already all right

too long all right well a dimension to another world a portal to the portal to another world is found would you call it a stargate i wouldn't necessarily one might call it a stargate oh my god when she looks at jason uh james spader and she's like it's your stargate i was like.

Dude when he when he translated the hieroglyph to stargate i went cool can i just turn this movie off now roll credits we hit the end so james spader plays uh expert in egyptian history i would say egyptian like ancient languages ancient languages hieroglyphics and he thinks he has a crackpot theory that the egyptians didn't make the the pyramids that someone else Oh, that's the other part of the multimedia franchise that kicked off. I got it. The conspiracy theory bit.

Aliens. So, obviously, they find this Stargate. They need James Spader to go into said Stargate and figure out what's going on. But he's not going to be alone because he's obviously going to need cover. So, who else better to serve that role than a very chiseled, a very broken...

Kurt Russell yeah can we just say like we're talking about Johnny Carpenter I don't know I'm calling John Carpenter earlier Kurt Russell's boy and last time we did a 93 one it was a Kurt Russell movie then too yeah, yeah carry on oh and also Kurt Russell looked exactly like Wyatt right in the beginning of the movie when he has his long hair and he's sitting there blonde hair and all of a sudden it just like goes to a spiky do I'm like what the fuck

you doing there Kurt like he needed that crew cut man he needed a big spoiler behind the scenes thing. Did you know they filmed that one first and then he cut his hair off? Makes sense. Whoa. The moment he shows up, I'm like, Wyatt? Wait, what? Did you guys know I interviewed Wyatt Russell? Did you? Yeah, you did. He seems like a nice guy. Super nice guy. The clips that keep showing up of Wyatt and Kurt in a father-son interview thing.

Oh, for God's sake. Those are glorious. it was it's so good they're so funny together i need to watch that show i almost wanted james spader to just look at kurt russell and just be like why i am rolling i am rolling because i am rolling watching this fucking movie play out in front of me were their eyes the ones rolling i totally get why he named his son wyatt now.

But like let's go he calls him hey dad how you doing why i am rolling absolutely the perfect delivery oh my cringe fuck off dad but let's get down to it yeah brass tacks brass tacks so they go through the stargate they find another world they find another world all of a sudden kurt russell doesn't like exactly tell them why he's there And then shit gets a little messy and then there's like a little love story with James Spader and the people of this dimension and shit gets wacky.

Yeah. And the Oscar nominated Jay Davidson shows up as Raw. Yep. Yep. You know, he quit acting after that. Yeah. Well, after you do the crying game and then you go to that, you probably don't want to be there anymore. Well, according to him and Wikipedia, his reason was he didn't like the fame and the way that it was treating, which maybe people were just not happy with his performance. I don't know, but maybe they just weren't happy with the movie and he didn't like the hate.

I'm pretty sure they weren't happy about the fucking, the twist in the crying game.

Well, that too. they started crying right that's the twist no tony that's not quite a twist anyway it's stargate don't get me wrong yeah the movie isn't as bad as it could have been oh yeah it's not moonfall it's not moonfall and some of the other some of the other movies that we've gotten from our boy roland emmerich stop calling him our boy tony he's your boy certainly not my boy listen godzilla of the amazing yeah independence day banger okay

we're we're really sure that's two that's two give me two give me just just i'll give you one okay independence day that's the one i'm taking independence day okay and not resurgence and i will and i will say that moonfall does have a special place in my heart for being just as fucking ridiculous as it is god anyway anyways it's not as bad it's not it's not as bad did you want a little bit more action yeah did you want a a little did you want some things to make a little more sense

yeah is the music fucking epic at some points yeah that that score is that all score is and you know it feels like it's scoring a different movie but yeah i recognized that i was trying to figure out why i recognize it's the score in the show too yeah it makes sense it reminded me of the mummy a lot oh yeah like night like brennan fraser mummy yeah that's because the one guy is it when he fucking started charging i was like oh oh my god it's the mummy let's do this again let's do it but yeah.

I really like the world building in it but it takes so long it takes so long but you can see it show up until almost the third half which is weird yeah which is which is really weird considering how fast that beginning is going like it is a breakneck speed to get you through that portal yeah and then it just.

Slows down it slows down once they start once Spader's in the world and he's like interacting with everyone and you see with all Roz and all that bullshit shit yeah then it starts to get bogged down a little bit i just need to introduce raw faster yeah yeah like i know i know they kind of show them at the beginning the director's cut they show them at the beginning because that scene's not in the regular cut yeah i think and then

they replay it later in the movie i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure i saw the director's cut you probably did because that's the opening of the director's cut the opening of the other one of the theatrical is them in 1928 finding the stargate and then it cuts before they start finding all the shit around the stargate yeah so that's how the theatrical goes but yeah so the the opening scene in the director's cut is when raw takes the body right yeah and they replay that later which i guess

is fine for the theatrical but like you're just replaying a scene guys yeah come on now come on but yeah they needed to introduce raw faster yes and that's the problem with this movie they don't introduce him fast enough and he's not a menacing presence you're like no little fucking wiener all right yeah pretty boy basically yeah this little fucking wiener with his harem of fucking little boys which oh that's a choice and fucking you know how to say his name i can who

only goes who only goes by in the credit says jamon i wish that i wish he kept that because that's fucking awesome and he looks amazing in this movie yeah i was like oh there There he is. Yay. It was also. Yeah. French Stewart. Yeah. So yeah. Jacked up French Stewart. Jacked up army French Stewart. Like, fuck me up. Fuck me up. He's sitting there with his eyes. Yeah. All right. Let's do this.

I was like, what the fuck is French? Because I saw him in the credits and I was like, okay, he's gonna be like the nerdy fucking weasel. Like, like Bing Bong is. He's a marine. He's a marine. He pushes James Bader down in the sand. He's a fucking shark. Our head glorious it's a choice brilliant casting a capital C choice like whoa okay. Yeah, I don't know. When it's getting going, let me start with this.

In the beginning, when it's getting going and it's moving at a pretty breakneck speed, I was pretty into it. And then I was like, what the fuck are they going to do? Where is this going to go? I know they got to get through the Stargate at some point. I'm like, wow, this is like... The titular Stargate. The titular Stargate with those wonderful water effects. It's your Stargate.

The effects aren't that bad. The effects are pretty good. I know that they said during the time that it was shitty effects, but like...

There was... it's not that bad there was a shot of of raw's henchmen's ships flying over the town yeah and there was definitely strokes in like two of the shots where it was just like on wires being dragged through and they're totally the spaceships for fucking independence day yeah yeah they absolutely are it's like in the frighteners when like the the ghost is basically the ring right the fucking lord of the rings yeah it's it's something but yeah for the most part i

mean like the sets look pretty good the miniature sets that they built look pretty cool they did a lot they did a lot and you can tell how the how influential this movie was and that it sparked all the tv media yeah games and all that shit that came after right yep i think they were supposed to do like a like a requel yeah fun and they were going to bring back spader and kurt russell apparently they're both like yeah right well

yeah because they changed everything in the show so the shows aren't even even connected to this movie no not at all different character names yeah. It's the same idea.

It's just they changed things so that it couldn't be connected to the movie because of the way that this movie ends yeah yeah that's another thing I want to talk about okay the ending yeah, what we like we want weak sauce we it's it's 30 it's 30 years so we could spoil right yeah you don't even need weak sauce at what point did spader is just like no i'm gonna stay yeah and and like where did that character and like it was after

he banged the chick obviously and then kurt russell's like all but all like rah rah i'm gonna stay and blow this shit up and then all of a sudden like he has like a eureka moment when with spader and he's like okay guys wait i'm gonna gonna go that fight scene is kind of cool oh that last, battle scene when everyone's like charging down the I'm talking, like the close quarters between fucking Kurt Russell and fucking the bodyguard guy man come on and it's badass how that ends yeah.

It's like again it has good moments to it I just I felt like it when it slowed down man did a dragon so I feel like I feel like it needed to to be tightened up a little bit like if you cut out maybe about like 15 20 minutes of that bullshit yeah because even the beginning like you were talking about the world but like it was doing enough to, breadcrumb you into this world and it was interesting enough right and it wasn't like they were bad performing they were bad performances

like Spader gorgeous Spader he was great Kurt Russell always amazing yeah like those two the the two-hander of them two I'm definitely on board and you know what the Marines French Stewart included whatever like yeah okay What about Bing Bong? Bing Bong. Bing Bong. Oh yeah, Bing Bong. I don't know his fucking real name. It's Bing Bong. He's Bing Bong and he's on Curfew Enthusiasm. Goddamn name. Keep talking. I'm going to figure out his name.

Genuinely, it could be the same length. All they needed to do was introduce Rob faster. Yeah. You needed to make it. He could have been the exact same character, not as menacing as he could be.

Same thing. If you introduced him 15 minutes earlier, yeah probably would have been a much better film Richard Kind Richard Kind yes I love Richard Kind I just like calling him Big Bob he's so sweet when he shows up I was like oh my god he's so cute he's so little he's so little but his voice you're like yeah that's Richard Kind that's Richard Kind.

Yeah yeah i think yeah introducing raw earlier but i don't know even still tightening some of it up could have been helpful here and there but i can understand how its influence because it definitely had influence not only on not only on the tv shows but the influence on the sci-fi genre is they remade it into add the fucking atlantis disney movie yes essentially it's the the same fucking movie so i you can't deny its influence but you can see it it's not it's not a perfect movie it's not great

no it is not great but you can see how he man how he like went from that to independence day yeah and it's it's absolutely the it's the pinnacle of a mixed review movie of kind of just like just a mix just a mixed bag it's a meh yeah if we were best man I'm hosting this this would be a man a rock solid man yeah it is definitely a rock solid man especially when we're comparing it to hoop dreams and in the mouth of madness yeah like it's definitely a yeah it also

it didn't do too bad box office oh no it did it did fine it was great I think it was a 60 million dollar budget. 59 or something that it made like 160 million yeah it did well fine yeah it did well and it got them independence day but now I'm thinking about independence day and Independence Day is substantially longer than this movie yeah but and they take again they take forever to get the aliens into the movie yeah but like there's just more tension and there's more.

Like there's more oomph they're doing all this world but there's big Willie and I mean it's not even just big well the gold man yeah I was gonna say there's there's there's and Bill Pullman Bill Pullman they have heavy Hitters in Independence Day And Judd Hirsch And what's What's his fucking name that you guys Love talking about that I had his voice Harvey Fierstein In a beautiful Performance Oh crap Oh crap. Why am I sending my mother to Atlanta Yeah.

The acting as much as i love kurt russell and as much as i love james spader by comparison, this movie suffers in in a lot of ways from fine performances but not blow your balls off stuff whereas independence day had a lot of blow your balls off performances but we're also putting it on the pedestal we're putting it on the pedestal yeah it is a better movie but that's what i'm saying like they take forever to introduce the aliens there

too and they're doing the exact exact same thing of the world building yeah but it's just like interesting it's more interesting and there's more tension yeah and there's more foreboding like shit's going down versus this movie where you're like is he coming like what's he doing and then he shows up being like the build-up to the build-up to yeah you're right the build-up getting to the airlands is so well placed out whereas i think this one kind of

falters we're like independency you're starting with they just it was the radio guys that pick up the first like signals of it coming and like you're just sort of watching it and like someone finding out about it and figuring out what it is and like pushing it up the chain and like the stakes are getting higher and higher and higher and higher whereas this one it was kind of like oh this is like really really exciting okay now we're relatively safe in a world and this is fine we'll learn about

the world everyone seems safe and fine no one's hurting them they're walking through everything's just hunky-dory and then And eventually we introduced the villain. And it's like, what? Yeah. To your point. Why now? Why not any time before this when you could have ratcheted up the stakes? Like the stakes before this where they're stuck, they can't get out of here. So they're working to solve that problem. But there's no real challenge to that problem. It just is a problem. Yeah. Like, yeah.

It's just a fucking Indiana Jones, Lara Croft fucking like, let's go through some tombs, guys. Yeah. Yeah. But and then when the aliens show up at Independence Day, it literally when they finally. Yeah. It's like a fucking bang. Yeah. And like you're like, OK, shit has hit the fan. Like all hell has broken loose. Yeah. We've been building to this and it is delivering. Yeah. And then it slows down again. Yeah. And then like it kind of picks up.

And mount up. I just like I'm thinking about Independence Day and it has the exact same structure as this movie but it's just so much better done yeah it's better and better paced out it's better and yeah I just keep coming back if they introduce raw and they made a more. Menacing yeah it would have been a better film even to your your other comparison of the mummy and there's a lot of similarities between the mummy and Stargate in setting alone yeah. The the difference there is like first of.

All like you get to the titular mummy pretty quickly.

Of him starting to come back to power but he's like a time he's a clock he's getting ever stronger and ever stronger and ever stronger so you the the thing with the mummy is he slowly like it's almost like a slasher movie where he's literally just picking one off one by the other so he can grow and grow and grow and then when he gets to the power it's like oh shit yeah yeah what the fuck but it's a stake that continues to rise whereas like the stakes the stakes in this they don't

do the same first stake was okay they need to get back home that's it that that's it but there wasn't as i said there's not a lot of obstacles in the way of that yeah it's true solve it's only when raj shows up but finally there's something where you're like oh this is higher stakes i think it was then that i like perked back up i was struggling to stay awake during this movie because i was so fucking bored i had to watch in two parts because i was like i i've had enough i

can't keep by the time I turned up Ross still hadn't showed up yeah Melissa passed right out yeah I was folding laundry yeah I was watching it I was I was fucking maybe I should have folded laundry because it would cut me awake also since we're talking about the mummy the one thing that's missed that's in the mummy that's missing from this movie Rachel Weisz well yes Rachel Weisz needs to be in a lot of things well yeah but like just her fucking her yeah her persona

and her again makes that movie better absolutely right one more thing that Stargate is missing that the mummy has yeah Brendan Fraser that guy who the guy who plays Benny. Oh dead fair yeah dead fair he's awesome he is fucking next level you know you know we need more we need to make a comeback oh dead fair absolutely yeah oh dead fair get him get him on the on the Oscars absolutely they're bringing like Pauly Shore's coming back in a big way get oh dead fair to come back absolutely.

Yeah so i don't know it's a mid it's a i don't know it is the very definition of meh yeah listen we've now set a benchmark barometer for your mad title you want to know where it falls in the scale we can tell you if it's better or worse than stargate i'm still glad that we watched it i'm glad that we covered it it was definitely a movie it was definitely a blind spot of mine that i wanted to fill how did we not see this how did we not see

this was the this is a perfect example of a movie we would have saw a jumbo video and definitely would have rented why the fuck did Did we not rent this? I have no idea. I rented milk money, but I didn't rent Stargate. Come on. Do you think maybe it was by the time you would have thought to rent it a jumbo video, the TV show had kind of already started? No, I don't. We used to go every weekend and we rented some weird,

just like, that's strange though. This one didn't make it. This one didn't make it. I keep confused for the longest time when I was a kid, I always confused Stargate with this movie called The Arrival. And it's a Charlie Sheen movie.

Alien movie alien movie i'm fairly certain we didn't get stargate but we got we did we did get the arrival yeah the only thing i remember from that movie is near the end the alien or like it's a surprise who the alien is or something but like their legs turn around and then they kind of like spring up and i was like that's creepy and it's stuck in my head ever since it's just like wild it's wild i just remember nothing from this movie except for the half of those legs charlie sheen in

black thick rim glasses and a red shirt that's literally all i remember that movie i just can't why would you cast charlie sheen as a nerdy scientist it doesn't make any fucking sense when i'm seeing charlie sheen i'm not thinking nerdy science exactly i'm thinking i'm thinking either guy who freebases cocaine and drinks tiger blood for a living or a guy who just fucking like.

Does whatever the fuck he wants and fucks who he wants when he wants that that's what i basically the same person it's basically the same character blood when tiger blood yeah they have a weed strain that's called of course they do they do it's quite magical hi shout out to tiger blood yeah big ups tiger blood general admissions tiger blood he's on he showed up in that sebastian and Man of Colosco Man of Scalco which is done by the guy who did Two and a Half Men Chuck Lorre Chuck Lorre being.

Being more HBO less Big Bang making another fucking spinoff Young Sheldon Young Sheldon Young Sheldon's brother Jerry O'Connell in fucking Big Bang you know what you know what bothers me about this, everybody's gonna fucking watch it everybody I can't I'm so happy maybe they don't maybe they won't maybe it'll be like Bob Harts Abishola oh god yeah I got to see the set for Bob Harts Abishola it's a fucking weird I watched the pilot it's fucking weird,

so this is at the Warner Brothers tour my tour guide was very much telling us all about Bob Harts Abishola and when she described the show like gave the brief synopsis of it I was like, this is a weird fucking show this doesn't make a lot of sense it's about a guy who loves his wife right he has a heart attack he goes into the hospital he falls in love with his nurse his home nurse his home nurse who is Nigerian yeah.

And the like she lives with her family and they're like there's a white guy so it's a white it's a white guy in the Nigerian family is the entire show, yeah that's the that's it it's the big guy from Mike and Molly yeah so that's that so anyway so the set for that show but also I'm very happy that my girlfriend has no love for Big Bang Theory like I do because during that part of the WB tour where you could be in Sheldon's apartment or big fucking whoop I just beeline

right past those crowds I was like thank you I don't got you i don't give a flying fuck about this show i don't remember if we got to go in the apartment or. We got to we got to go in the hallway for sure yeah i definitely have pictures in the hallway i just i don't know and we liked the show it was fine near like no near the end it was a fucking.

It was a fucking it was a hardship getting through was it was it two broke girls level bad probably not but at least she at least she had the two the titular two broke girls sure but and what's her name from white lotus yeah i just for cool it jennifer yes i just wanted to always carve my eyes out with a rusty spoon watching that it was just so bad i just i just remember the jokes where i was just like that's a lot for network guys yeah how did they get away with

that i couldn't deal with big bang in that one just being so like set up punchline laugh, set up punchline laugh and like it was like constant like every time someone finished the sentence it was a punchline so everyone had to laugh and it felt so like these aren't real people laughing anymore like this is you're laugh tracking this shit and that's i think what bothered me the most about it it was just constant i never finished two broke girls but i did finish big bang and it was it was

it was fine and then i watched like the first episode of young sheldon which is not laugh tracked and i was just like this you know what this show needs a laugh oh no oh no no no no no no anyway where are we landing on stargate heavy man heavy man heavy man excellent heavy well yeah 94 banger year banger stellar year excellent you know and you know it had stargate.

Banger year also stargate stargate banger year also house party three house party three they made three of them and they have to be great made it too i saw the remake not so good kitten plays in the first one oh god jesus, It sounds magical. Sounds like a time. I do want to see the original House Party for sure. Martin Lawrence is in that one. We are so doing a triple bill. Oh my god. Maybe we'll follow it up with Breaking and Breaking 2.

Excellent. Can we just watch Friday while we're at it? No. Oh, we're going to draw the line at Friday? Friday's fucking better than House Party probably.

We'll see. We'll find out one day. but i i'm good with fucking house party and breaking yeah and breaking to electric boogaloo, i i love that title i just the best love i love that it's just the genius that created electric boogaloo as the as the ending to a part two of any movie is not my favorite i love it everything's electric boogaloo titanic 2 electric boogaloo the only one that does that that cannot work on is uh passion of the christ which has always crucified this yeah

what that's coming out soon isn't it yeah they're calling it passion of the christ the res colon the resurrection i'm like why don't you just call it the resurrection of the christ yeah it's in the name people that are going to see your movie know the story the resurrection of christ done and is he is give it is gibson directing it yeah gibson and caviezel great caviezel just needs a paycheck he's running out his movie his movie last year made banks son,

he's running out of those royalty checks for uh person of interest. When i don't know what site it was it might have been coming soon and they had the synopsis for the resurrection of the christ i was like the one movie you don't need to, it's good it's about the title guys come on you're good i i wasn't really even if you're not religious chances are you know you know you know it's i think at this point very common knowledge regardless of who you are as a person at this point it's universal

knowledge it's like batman's parents were murdered in front of him that's you know universal knowledge i don't i don't really i remember watching watching the passion of the Christ in theaters and coming out of that movie going, I'm good. I don't think I need a sequel. I know they left it on a real cliffhanger of an ending. Oh yeah. Where he's like.

Winks to camera like anyway i wish it was crucify this with chris tucker i snuck into the passion of the christ why because it was 18a and you had to be it was 18a my dad took me to yeah no i went i went with my buddies i'm pretty sure matt layden came with me and we snuck in and we bought tickets to welcome to moose port oh how was welcome to moose port dave i think it was fine the last movie gene hackman ever made oh god you know what guys i'm out i worked with ray romano

that's it i'm out i draw the line and ray romano i saw passion of the christ with our uncle same yeah that would have been west west westdale theater later i remember so little about that movie like like i know what happens yeah but just remember the whipping scene that's what i just caught a nine tails and a whole chunk of flesh out yeah that was brutal yeah well maybe when they make resurrection maybe i'll maybe i'll uh i'll catch up and i'll watch passion of christ again that day let me know

i'll come over just getting hopefully on a good friday yeah that makes sense and then they'll release resurrection on the sunday naturally it's true spend your easter with mel it's a miss it's a missed opportunity if you don't release it on a sunday true so easter dinner with mel so just you know what i don't. I don't want to admit to being a mel gibbs an apologist or that i love i i loved like like 90s Mel when he was Mel before we found out everything about who Mel is.

So I love that Mel. Oh, okay. 80s and 90s Mel. You're in the what women want category of Mel. Yeah. That's 2000. Well, like the cutting off point is around that. But that's the Mel I like. And you know what? I don't want to spend my weekend with Mel James.

My weekend with Mel. if i'm spending a weekend with mel it's re-watching fucking lethal weapon it's true that's when mel was mel yeah that's fair yeah it's true it's a good christmas movie fantastic christmas movie i watch it every year i even got melissa hyped for it that's something that's that's truly one of those that you're gonna separate the art from the artist yeah definitely you gotta you gotta carve out a grand canyon in the earth and just just you gotta there's

gotta just be a cut off yeah where you're just like after this stop stop we stop here i guess we're sneaking into resurrection of the christ boys we need to sneak in anymore david we just walk on in, we're not gonna get a seat oh yeah it's gonna be standing that thing is gonna be standing room only god not even like you're gonna be fucking the idols are gonna be packed for that movie yeah it's just like,

Don't even call us anything. I hope there's... Oh, fuck. I hope to God Mel Gibson built like an intermission in there just so they could do communion during the time. Jesus, James. Oh my God. Oh God. On that note. Yeah, let's end it. Let's end it right about there. We'll be back in a couple weeks with the regular episodes. We'll be back with some retrospectives throughout the year. I'm very Very excited to figure out what our picks are going to be for 84.

84 was a banger year too. It's another banger year. Years that end in four. Oh no. It's a year that ends in four. Banger years. Wait, what was 2014? Birdman. And Whiplash. Banger year. And the Imitation Game. Banger. Banger year. Banger year. I swear the Imitation Game is great.

That was a people's choice day for me. yeah we saw it sat in line outside the Toronto Metropolitan University theater formally the Ryerson with the Ryerson squirrel I bet he's not with us anymore yeah unfortunately, yeah and watch the imitation game anyway I'm excited for more of these retrospectives as we go back maybe we'll make it down past the 60s that could be fun maybe one year we'll start in the, 20s I think we're now in a part where we could probably find a movie from 1925

yeah and like i don't know work upwards from there that means i get to make you guys watch cimarron and i am so excited for that jesus christ because that movie fucking haunts my dreams, it's so fucked up when he went to the academy museum i was like it was a big part of sim was their big they're not apologizing that much oh god it was a different time at least where god god fucking it better be hidden behind that because i'm inexcusable shit it was 1935 it's inexcusable

fuck that anyway yeah but we'll be back we will back with more we hope you guys like this one and see in two weeks yes bye.