How Visual Conditions Shape our Hitting Ability with Chad Longworth

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Movement.com, you can find all their R, links, do their social media and their website and the description below. Chad, it's great to have you back. Yeah, dude. Sell what, where's your? Where's your head been at lately. Like what have you been? Mulling over. Did you see me the other day? What DM did you send me the other day on Twitter like hornets.

Nests on Twitter lately? Fair enough, although no one I sent you was about wearing a helmet and yeah, but but that also is linked to you talking about wearing different sort of sunglasses and in some ways I wish I wish you could get Jared Fuller on here because he was talking about colors Robert

about colors. Yeah. Before but I haven't seen any studies on it like that's where I really want to see the studies but this gets Into a bunch of stuff about like you could, you could test this stuff out. As far as what colors work best for people through muscle testing, so yeah, those really since I talked to Robert Riggins, year ago, on my podcast, it just like this endless Rabbit Hole of perception, like, perception in training and like, how athletes are interacting with with

Pitches lights. And my son, who's 8 played weeks ago, three weeks ago. Maybe I can't remember, but he didn't, he didn't he like, swung and missed a lot that day, and never speak to mrs. A lot, but he swung and missed a lot that day. Is this first games of the year? He's a nervous, whatever, but I asked you what to do, I'm not mad. You struck out. But why, why are you swinging missing so much today? Like what do you think was going on today? That I couldn't see the ball too bright.

And so I just kind of whatever man, whatever. That's just an excuse, but then, you know, I've been thinking about that like, since that day and then I saw the sunglasses tweet and I was thinking like we hit if you training inside a lot, like we hid inside a lot. In your processing, visual information inside in a cave. And then I imagine like night games are similar to the light conditions that are inside of the cage. But then what if you play during

the day? So, what if you train inside in that light and then you play during the day? Are you is your is the information processing that you did inside even valuable? Or you know when the sunlight is different, High Sky, no clouds bright middle of the Day game. Are you processing information? The same way that you did when you train and so is it even valuable? Train or how do you match the light conditions closer to the environment you trained in in a day game?

Where we sit me down the rabbit hole of Oakley lenses and likely how they build lenses to filter light? And you know, contrast seem contrast. That's hitting though, like to me that's hitting like those rabbit holes of. Like, trying to understand. It's not think anybody that listens to this podcast, at least, it's not like you can't draw every conclusion to this one set of mechanics that ideal style.

The reason why you hit It's like there's a lot of things have reasons why you don't hit and it's hard to pinpoint one of them and that, that that that those like condition things and sunglasses. While you hit something that I found, really interesting. Anyway that he what the hell going on with something that also derived from my kids, it's like, you know, you've got this and I think I read something.

There's I think there's a study or something out there about About. Like how your vision focuses with something over top of your eyes versus not interesting? It's so like should hitters always hit with something over top of their eyes like either hat or a helmet, even the helmet. Like should you do lips with a helmet on because your field of vision, you want to have the

same field of vision? The same thing that you have in a game you know, tracking ball flight I'm in again, is another perception equation that Yeah, absolutely well and that's that's where I'm trying to send over a few images that I took out of a book and I haven't looked at them a long time so I wanted to use it kind of deals with some of the things that you

brought up with. So yeah there's just so much there it's like where to start but I would start with I think this is why again I'm going to keep harping this ecological Dynamics. I think ecological Dynamics or has can can at least help guide us and kind of help our search process. So for example Right? One of the main main things is complexity right and so we're Dynamic complex or dynamic. What is it or adaptive complex systems or dynamically adaptive complex systems and so therefore

That means that. Just because you put in one input, doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to get, you know, a plus b equals c. Like sometimes there because there are other factors in there even though you put in a or b you don't always get see and and there's an element of non-linearity to it. And so that I think we have to remember that we're dealing with complex adaptive systems and I don't think people realize that maybe they don't actually even understand what, what that means.

It's just a buzzword and so I don't know if that's something that needs to get broken down or not. But what are your your thoughts on unjust that basic idea and concept? Yeah I don't think that I don't think that people grasp how complex like the human system is like in general like I think they know it's just like scan over you know people just think that things work because they work you know. Yeah but they think it's like

the computer. I turn the computer on and I could type the numbers in and whatever simple oh but don't get, don't get me started on. I've just started reading this book. On the mind. and how people have equated it to a machine and how that that actually isn't Is that the best way to describe it? Because it's really not a machine. Right. You know, I was thinking I was in Florida. My daughter had cheer competition in Florida this past weekend and I'm walking, I'm walking it.

We went to Disney World for two days before the competition, and I'm walking Force. That's what this world can walk. And I'm thinking as I'm walking, like, how amazing walking is like the fact that you can not fall over, Is amazing. Like what? No one Falls over walking but people take that for granted. It's like walking is amazing. The fact that we can just not fall on. Two legs is crazy. You know we cannot fall we like

stepping a pothole and not fall. You can step on an uneven ground and not fall but that and you're not even thinking about it like your body's not even, you're not even. You just adapting to whatever you're on, it's like, people take that for granted, you know, that's another thing that people

take for granted. It's funny because we got into speaking of blogging and Disneyworld, my daughter was talking about how funny she thinks somebody we know walk and she was kind of kind of like walking like him. Hmm. As it will. Does he fall over? He's like no. And why does it matter how? How he walked he doesn't fall over you know everybody walks uniquely to their style but if the first principle is don't fall over and he doesn't fall over. What is the difference?

Does matter how he walked? You know you walk like you I walk like me and our bodies in this constant state of finding balance. Automatically in its no one Falls over. It's like, amazing is amazing and that may sound geeky or whatever, but it really is like, One of the simplest tasks that you think is so simple, like you learn to do at such a young age and your body figures it out. Well, and that goes back to this, like, how do we know

things? Like I think people take for granted or don't really realize how we actually know and understand things we all think about it. Oh it's just up here in my brain and yeah think about it in terms of the way that they think and the the internal dialogue that goes on and there's so much in our life that like our knowledge is actually. So there's this idea of distributed cognition and how the our knowledge The world is actually embodied and it resides within our body.

It's not just in our brain and so When it comes to sport, it's very much. Like, I don't know if we've talked about this before, but it's like, I don't know how to explain it. I just know how I can just show you like, hey, let's just do this together. So it's this, this, it's more about participatory knowing versus explanatory or head knowledge.

And So, within ecological Dynamics, you have this idea of knowledge about versus knowledge of And knowledge about being head, knowledge and knowledge of being experiential knowledge. Why do you think that, why do you think that people draw? That's interesting, but do you think that people draw the conclusion that if you learn about mechanics or whatever, like you're going to be able to do them? Well, that's something that people forget.

It's there are thinking of learning in from slowly because of the school system. Well, think of like, right that if you think about the income, the culture that we've been embedded in, right? Western culture, very scientific. Everything is about in the head if you can't scientifically prove it. Then it kind of isn't real. So then we dismiss or even though we forget that anecdotes are you know, still a Arm of

evidence. It might not be the strongest form of evidence, but I think it's because of that we dismiss very easily because it's not the highest form of edit evidence anecdotes and personal experience. And so in the, you know, based upon our like culture, Like we tend to dismiss a lot of the experiential stuff as being not very like we minimize it. And I think that's the reason why people assume that the best way to teach something because of our education system is head knowledge.

I mean, what is most of school just here? I say something to you and then you have to memorize it or read a textbook and then regurgitate it back to me. And it's way different like the yes that's at least my theory. I mean, people think that Because people think that mean, I'll give you an example. And I talked about this on Twitter, a little bit recently, I haven't put the numbers date out quite yet, but I got to train a high school. A homeschooled high school team this past offseason.

Every player all the coaches. Everybody came in. Everybody did what I wrote coaches were involved on the floor. No one gave. Anyone any explicit instructions other than just Bring the bat fast. Try to hit the ball hard, not on the ground. And here's, here's a bunch of different tasks do that. Here's the offset machine. Here's the to play timing. Here's the long bat. Here's the short bat, here's the skinny bats, here's the plyos.

Here's some flips. Here's the randomized machine and no one told anyone how to do it. They were up like four runs a game from last year. you know, their offensive production was Almost three times as good and no one quote fingers. I don't know if this is a video podcast or not but Pope fingers learned. Anything they learn anything because they don't need to learn anything I use it. I do they learn smart guy. Didn't learn the way that that nationally people would rush

stand. Yeah. Right? And that's why I use my quote fingers. They didn't learn anything. I didn't teach them about Annex but they they improved clearly. I've got the data that shows how much they improved in the gym and then when they went to the field, what they're run production and offensive stats were on the field, you know, So, it's like, but but in my world and I, it's funny because I was thinking about this the other day, too.

I get all's emails text messages every day about them, her, somebody wanting less. Mmm. And I usually just ask for video and then just kind of tell them something about on the video. So it's saved me like an hour of my time that I could be spending with my kids because that's kind of they just I guess one security blanket of knowing Something. And so I just give them something because that's all they're digging for it anyway.

But people that do come train with us and it's like they gonna they come in thinking, they're going to learn again. Learn something. I'm going to teach them something biomechanic wise, you know, and I don't, but you improve. So what are you after? What do you actually want to be a better player? You want to learn something? Because you don't have to and I you I was going to make this point. I use this guy a lot in my conversation, he may be a smart

guy. Doesn't strike me as a real smart guy, that's why I use him, but he might be, I don't know. Yasiel Puig probably doesn't know much about Mechanics he probably couldn't but he he's a pretty darn good hitter. You know, in his time people say why it's not a baseball now? It's like the dude was amazing and he you know, he licked his back and so yeah probably doesn't know anything but it's like you don't have to be smart or learn anything.

Again, I'm generalizing Yasiel Puig only make that is he like licked his Bat did all this crazy stuff on the field as just Somebody that doesn't know anything, but can just destroy baseballs at the highest level of baseball or Manny Ramirez, like your body May these, another one like Manny gets on, you know, he goes to teacher man, and he goes to all these people now and he's like, you were the one that can explain what I did. And it's like, Any why does it

matter? Why does it matter how wide how anyone can explain anything? You mashed 600 homers or whatever. However when you hit as probably one of the Bree greatest, right-handed, hitters of all time. Why does it matter that anyone? Can I can explain what you did. You hit 600 homers? On just oftentimes balls that no human being should be able to

hit much less hit argue hit out. It's like maybe you were just a good at the task of, for whatever reason, who knows why, you know, who knows why, you know, I can, I can speak as somebody who made it to pro ball, who was an average pro ball player with top-level athleticism skills, my dad was a

division. One basketball player I worked out with major Leaguer, Andre Ethier with my workout partner, in at, in Arizona, in the offseason, when I went, I went to Athletes Performance, which is now x 0. So train there in the offseason, there's nothing athletically that I could do that. Anyone else could do. But I did, but I couldn't, I couldn't like play the game well, and they could and, you know, at the time I thought my

lack of knowledge. So I tried to learn a lot about the swing or hitting or whatever and it's like, it wasn't that at all, you know, it wasn't that at all. It was fact that when the picture got on the mound and he was throwing me bitches just couldn't adapt well enough, I had the skills, I had the tools, I had the bat speed, there were some physical things that I know now that I would have Oregon would have tried to improve on, which is kind of down another

Rabbit Hole of, like, why? No one caught these things then because but I don't think we tied them to maybe performance just kind of something like some limitations. I had in my low back in my hips that I couldn't get to certain balls that I if I would have been anatomically different,

maybe not different. But like physically different, maybe a little more, maybe a little more on the Loose mover side than the tight mover side, I could have gotten to better think that's why I didn't pull balls very well. This, my hips were so locked up specially my left one because I'm a right-handed hitter that could get to them to pull them

physically. So, you know, it wasn't my lack of knowledge, like I thought it was known, it wasn't man, he had no knowledge again, clearly, he talks about it now but he couldn't even explain what he did. I said this before on podcast. If you gave Major Leaguers truth serum, you gave them. You seen Ant-Man and wasp? Truth serum? You can truth serum and ask them, like, what, how do they hit the ball? They would all say, I have. No, just kind of get up there

and get in my stance. Try to be on time and for some how I swing where the ball is. All that block. I don't know how, I don't know how I had Blake treinen to do steamer, but I do. Well, I mean you put you personally have had that experience where you been there. You're like I don't know how I hit that ball like that.

Had some I saw Uncle Wicked movement at the end of just I hit it, you know, or like I was I was thinking fastball and I hit the curveball Like, I know I've done it, I've experienced it. Yeah and that's that's the thing of to me, I think it can be explained by this idea and concept of flow. like when you're in a flow State, when you're fully immersed, in what you're doing, like you you lose all sense of time, you lose sense of self, you become one

with the environment. And and to me that's that's the state that you're in. You're not it's not a highly cognitive intellectual State. And I think that's the part where, for example, why certain coaches are way better than others, because they might not know, all the most technical information, but to keep it really simple for the athletes that are able to connect with them, on an emotional level like

there. To me, like an ecological approach, kind of helps explain this, their perceptually attuned to the athlete, to the environment, how the energy in the environment. There's an energy exchange that's going on there and they're able to be sensitive to that and are able to help nudge and kind of manage that environment to help the athlete perform their best. And that doesn't always mean giving them right.

Something mechanical or it does well because they, you know, going back to what you're talking about the truth serum. Well when you talk to those guys, they'll tell you stuff as far as how they hit whatever like you talk to Albert, Pujols or Alex Rodriguez, will tell you they swing down to the ball. Even Mike Trout says all this, why would you ask? Why do they say this stuff when they don't do it? Because that's what coaches, their coaches have told them?

That's what they do. And that's how they hit really well. Like yep. So charging throwing, you know, it's the it's the burnt Nikolai Bernstein the repetition of outcome and not the rib dish. Of movement or repetition repetition. It's it's like they they pulled themselves enough over and over and over again, that they felt this way when they got the

outcome they wanted. So it had to be because they felt this way and it's like, nah I mean I know you felt that way and I'm not, I will never tell you you're wrong because you're not wrong. That's how you failed a few hundred percent felt that way, but not everybody should. Should try to feel that way because that may not give you the repetition of outcome, you're looking for. You got a hit, you got to hit rocket line drives like you have to you're going to play the game for.

As long as you can play it, you have to hit rocket line drives. You have to get in fastball counts and hit fast balls for a rocket line drives. That sometimes go over the fence, sometimes they fall for doubles, sometimes they're rocketed through the six hole. Sometimes they're hit, ask somebody but you got hit a bunch of them. However you feel doing that. You're free to develop, you know, clearly a rod and proud. All these guys say these things. They're not wrong. That's how they feel.

That's how they got the outfit and I think, no, I talked to Fred laters about this. You know, some guys need to feel up, some guys need to feel down. Like you need to feel all the ways to get the outcome. You're it's about the outcome, like it's about the batted ball outcome. No. Caleb says that a lot like why don't we just not always start at the batted ball outcome and work back. It gives you the outcome. Well, we also use did what every on that.

Not everybody agrees on that but that's their replies in agree. On what the principles are. Right. We can't agree that swinging the back fast. It's a good thing because whatever you know I kind of been harping on that lately on Twitter's like come on like there's bad speed is tremendous Advantage. If you're going to stand out in front of Scouts and evaluators you want to stand out like a sore thumb, hey massive bat speed. But I think it's also Lord

rattling. Okay so this was might be a good good back and forth. I'm not I'm not saying that I'm against bat speed, but I would say I'd prize contact ability first and then bat speed because I can develop bat speed much easier. It's much more of a linear progression to develop at speed than it is to develop contact ability. yeah, so for sure because That's pretty good.

Bat speed is going to take so long to develop that along the way like basketball skills or something that You should if the whole picture is back speed then like back to ball skills, along the way should be the, I'm gonna use my quote fingers, should be the focus because we're it's a given like we're trying to hit

all the research. All the studies that have been reviewed done on back on way to bats and bat speed like 100 150 swings is you and I have talked about this because like we're trying to hit back number with a different Batman of way to Bath and a lot of different ways and a lot of different paths. We're just trying to hit that number and within that number, you know, I've got the Lefty swag inch and a half diameter

way to bath. Now that we hit plyos with So that's attached challenge that we're developing back to ball skills. You know, we're doing to Plate offset machine. Fastball, we did three play yesterday with smaller spacing between the plates and witching way more. Often that was with the axe bat, long Matt short bat set, which is back to ball skills, but it's also way too bad. We're trying to hit that bat

speed number for training. These things aren't like done Standalone. Like they aren't done. That's be, we do some raw bat speed stuff where we're not hitting a ball but like we're not just going to do that. Like, there's always going to be some passion talent and people people on Twitter say, you know, why is he guys that have massive fast speed? The can't hit. Well, yeah, of course. That's true too. You know, if you just hit, if you just train, raw, bat speed.

And all you ever do is just kind of like, Daddy hack raw bat speed off the tee. Then, of course your basketball skills are not going to be very Duh, of course not but don't generalize everybody that that has to train for bat speed has a bat speed. Grand picture to just you know taking daddy hacks off the tee and just chasing bats. Be like, that's not what we're doing. Nope, maybe I could paint that picture bet.

Well, and that's that. I think is the point like of the messaging in the same way that for the longest time with Driveline on V Lo it was like, okay everybody's chasing. Well actually this is a better analogy weight room. You got to get in the weight room. You're really strong great. Yeah. And then I have kids that and I know that I've guys who have gotten so good in the weight room that they're not, they're not the best player on the field anymore because we Sold them.

I'm going to be like, I'm going to put it bluntly. I guess, we sold them this lie. That if you get really strong in the weight room, you will be better on the field. So then they spent all this time, get really good at the weight room and they say, they stopped focusing as much on the field and then and then it and then they ended up not playing as much and now they're powerlifters. It's like great man, like you up but that wasn't why you went

into the weight room. And so, I guess that's kind of the same thing with with a lot of these different things of going. What you said, first principles of agreeing on, what is the outcome that we're looking for? And so when you go back to and you break it down because I feel like ecological, an ecological approach really helps you hone in because like what some of its basic fundamentals is

understanding the problem. And we can understand the problem, then you can then you can like you said before you just engine reverse, you reverse engineer it. And so for example, okay let's just say, hit the ball really hard on a line, you know, with and see this is it goes back to messaging, right? And some of it is When, when we have to understand the context in which the messaging occurred, right? Hit the ball in the air. Right. And then the flyball Revolution.

Well that was in the context of everybody hitting ground balls when it's not like when I say no wind drives you know what everybody's been saying that forever like that that is not new and and that's where in some levels. It's kind of just really strange in the sense of How is it that we got away from something that was super, super fundamental forever ago. I've just hit hard line drives like everybody used to agree on that. You know how it's like, because of flyball Revolution backside

ground balls, but it like that. Also happened in the context of guys pulling the ball in the air or whatever and hitting like weak stuff. But then it's so that's where though if you start breaking down. Okay, that's the outcome we want. All right well, what's baked into that premise? You have to hit Ball and then but to me, not when you start thinking about things from an ecological approach, will really what is it that you want actually more so than just hit

the ball hard on a line? Well, actually, you want to reach base /. You want to score runs. So how do you score runs? Because that's really the problem that you're trying to solve. And to me, that's the only, you know, that's, that's the thing I said, yesterday, we were talking about the coaches. Yesterday, I said, you know, at the end of the day, you build a team, which is whoever trains Me individually. Whoever puts in individual time, Should be your goal.

Like how can I best help the team? How can I best produce the runs that are going to help the team? Because that's like at the end of the day, the only thing that matters like how many runs did you score? You know, if we had done all this training with this high school team and they had scored the exact same amount of runs that it would last year, had been like, I don't need help at all. We did nothing, you know.

Well yeah, Chad taking the other side of this like I could have focused all my time on Making every player swing the bat a particular way, right? And if I had achieved that then somebody could say, well, they didn't improve their own Productions. Like yeah, well, we weren't working on that. We were working on their swing and that'll come. The runs will come later. Like that's kind of the things that get thrown around in baseball, right? We had to make their swing good

first. And then, the runs would come. but there are seasons over and they did they did win a lot of games and so like I don't have time for later, you know, and I think that's like the disconnect between The perception of what I do individual development because yes, I trained individual players but I always want them to go to their teams and be valuable commodities for their teeth.

We don't understand this concept at the highest level in Major League Baseball for minor league players like Lisa to Kyle talked about like run offices and orgs and things like we don't don't even really know how to develop valuable assets for but we've talked to me mad, but I've know I've talked about this before but like How can you not invest a thousand dollars into a minor league player and praying him in? Then you have nothing to lose train him to become a million

dollar asset. Like that's the greatest gift in business, but we don't do this. Actually runs is again run. Producers is only thing matters. Be the score them and drive them in the number one correlation between. Well, Bubba run production. Everything on the planet is exit velocity. It's so obviously top-end exit velocity but also like average eggs velocity like can't be happy and 108 in your average is 72, you know, you just chasing

top in numbers. Like, if you're copying this 108, your average is like 98. Then you're probably producing a ton of runs your offensive. Number your batting average, probably good, you know, your Euro beep, he's probably good, you know, whatever. Because you, if you're scoring, The ball up that much. You're probably making good swing decision. Probably not swinging it. A lot of bad pitches. Bad pitches being quote fingers

is like not not optimal pitches. Maybe a better word, you know, it just in counts where you could get a better pitch, I don't know. Well, that's where like for example the school. Well for example, any Rosario everybody used to knock on him about oh his Chase is too high and blah blah blah this and that and you go look at his stats, he like leads the team. In RBIs, ok.

So what that has robbed everage is not is like I don't know, 272 or 260 to 280. So what the dude drives in the most runs on the team or he has like, I don't know, is like 90 to 100 RBIs. I would say that you're really productive player. Because those are the things that matter RBIs and runs and that's what this guy is doing and then to you, actually watching a game. Yeah, he'll Chase pitches out of the Zone, but now, especially more now. But I think it was in the, maybe

the past couple of years. He's starting to hit those pitches even though they're out of their Zone. I saw him hit a fastball at like, 96. That was like, younger three balls off the plate. Like, all right on taku. I was going to make I was going to make this point a minute ago, I was in a Twitter discussion about self toss or self bounce or like Ryder, left hand toss

something. And somebody said well I don't like that because it it a lot of times here's get on their front foot and I'm like oh why is that bad? Well, you know, we don't want them to Lunge at it like but they're going to lunch at it. No matter what we do though. Wouldn't it be of benefit to like have hit a ball lunging at it? Like tried to hit a ball hard lunging at it like once once or twice. Again, I don't know if we ever will be honest. I don't know if we ever in my lifetime.

I'm getting ready to be 39. It like a bunk. I mean, I probably got I'm halfway done, you know, on average I'm halfway there. In my next half do we do we do we escape and mechanics first ideal mechanics first approach to hitting. I'm not sure, I don't know. I like it'll taste good but Mystic right in what you told, Caleb. Right.

You got to go somewhere where you can prove that it works and I think that is the most difficult thing is to convince people who have already because it like this. What they've learned and what other people create each already in my draft about Caleb's Improvement in their offensive number one my grass. Yeah, I mean that's where again this goes back to its I think people also need to move beyond the idea of mechanics because it's actually more forms and

styles, right? So for the whole thing of like not be out on your front foot. Well, that's not mechanically driven that's like a style thing, right? And like because people are what they Is on average. Is that people who are out on their front foot, roll balls, over hit weak ground balls, all this sort of stuff, okay?

But then when I was coming up and and playing in like high school, there's this one kid who all he would do is just drift forward and just absolutely Mash balls and it's like you're doing it wrong, you're doing it wrong but he's got there hitting doubles and just absolutely just mashing the base, right? And so is it really? Yeah. Really doing it wrong in our trip. Yeah. Our good friend.

Nick down at Georgia Tech. I watch Kevin pirata hit and I wonder if we're still in the world in professional baseball. In prod is probably going to go the top 10. Well, I mean, if you look at the war thing that that that Driveline put out, best part of the country. Yep. He's the best player in the

country. I'm wondering though, if we're still in the world and something tells me that if he goes to the wrong place, that we probably are, where somebody will hail him and Beyond him, that that won't work at this level, you know. Yeah, somebody your problem. You're probably old enough to remember, Khalil green played at Clemson, you know, he hit with his feet together like started

with his feet together. Hmm. And mash, Like one player the year like mash and I remember it was my senior year of high school, you know, I remember watching Clemson games and the announcers being like, you know, that's not going to work at the next level. You know, that he's going to have to make changes yada. Yada yada yada yada and it's but but why, like, why do you feel that way? You know, I hope they leave, you know, brought his got this, this setup where the bat, the end of

the baths. Like, down next to his right, paw Pocket in his front, elbows almost in front of his face. He's feeder narrow, but then he kind of flows into some Rhythm and hits the barrel obviously all the time and you know he hits for a bra. Hi whoa he's got a ton of homers, he's catch but who is somebody going to steal? Tell him in 2022 and I think about this a lot. You know that that's that won't work here. That won't work at this level. You're going to have to make the

X y&z adjustment. It's like man. Is that real? Is that true? Like I don't know that that's true. Maybe he'll go to a Nord that won't do that because there are certainly those out there now versus when I play and all the orders were like that, Darrell Ward's. Now that Will let him go and let him do him, if he, you know, and support him in that. You know, I think a lot of what these unique Styles. I think they fail in some ways because people in steel self-doubt in them, you no doubt

in them. For the first time they start doubting themselves, they start doubting like what they're doing. It's not the style per se, but it's like the self-doubt that they Have how been maybe the because he's gonna hit the skids, he's gonna struggle, he's going to slump. Obviously. That's what what happened to probe. All you teachers, better stuff. Better. When he hits the skids, does he is that self-doubt start turning? Maybe they're right.

Maybe my style won't work. Maybe I do need to change and he starts to change and I don't know but I would No. I mean there's there's an element of I thought this was very pernicious or there's something off about this. I don't think it's necessarily bad especially from an ecological perspective of failure. Forces us to change in find a more functional fit with our

environment. But a lot of coaches intuitively understand, hey, when guys failed then they'll actually listen to me. But if they succeed then then they're going to tell me off and so they use it as a way of like, well I hope they fail. So then they can, then they can then I can basically a knock your inundate them or brainwash

them into believing my stuff. And then it's it's like will write it hurt my important, which makes me feel good, you know, as the code writing it to make my self important. Hmm, you're not well and then your whole job is there to help the athlete. And so to me it's like what is actually best and most beneficial and if I am bringing my preconceived notions to it, then what? I might give them might not be optimal because like I don't always know what's right? But that's where to me.

If you go with Annie A logical approach. It's not about me. It's not about me having the right answer. It's about me, providing a path or a process forward by which we can find the right answer for you. And to me that's what makes an ecological approach. So, powerful is that it really comes down to what works best for you. We're going to search and find out. You're going to move differently. We're going to try all these different things, you know, whether it's a teacher man thing.

Whether it's said, I'm trying to even think who else is, is Big name as far as you know, to expiry thing or whatever like we're going to we're going to try all these different things that all these different people have put out there. And or just maybe maybe something different like whatever connects with that player, you know? I'm really I really dislike Chuck it. I really think that's that's not a good use of time, but if that guy, if that's what helps an athlete and yeah, great.

But you also have to understand the limitation of that like they're like we've talked about this on with me and Robert Fry of how and to with Caleb, this idea of the Hawthorne effect,

we're just simple. LT may help you in the short term but eventually your production just goes back to Baseline and then so with the with the Hawthorne experiment they decrease the light or something and then the production went up in the factory and then they did a proper study and they went back and they they did the reverse they raise the light and the production went up and they're like Okay, so this is interesting, so it's just more the fact that we change the environment.

And then people got more productive. I mean, when you think about it, when somebody goes to a new organization, why is it that they sometimes tend to perform better when you change the environment. And so, it's just little things like that of like, yeah, like because right? Well, if you think about it from a strength and conditioning perspective, right?

You do the same workout, it's all the all the time, eventually you're going to get diminishing returns and you're not going to get any returns and you might even regress from doing the same thing over and over again. And the from the skill side of things, the exact same thing is true because so, one of the things from an ecological perspective, Perspective. One of the viewpoints is and principles is skill. Adaptation. A'ight.

So now we view the system as an Adaptive system that based upon what we do in adapts to what we're doing in the most easiest way for, I think for a lot of coaches, because strength and conditioning has been out there for a lot longer within the baseball coaching world and people understand it better. Well, adaptation is adaptation in the principles work.

The same, right? You apply a novel stressor to the system and it adapts the same thing is true when it comes to skill development, Now for sure it's also a bit frustrating though for people and players for the constant need of something new. It's like yeah there's some acceptance of you have to accept that. Some of this is just going to be necessarily boring because I think an achievement and I think Kyle's talked about that a little bit. It's like they're just

necessarily born. Piece that you're going to have to be mentally, tough enough tough being micro fingers, tough enough to deal. Do the boring stuff because we constantly can't constantly like iterate. Make up new challenges just to keep you engaged every two weeks, you know, or every week. It's so yeah for sure, I get that but it's also like You're not going to make it if it has

to be new all the time. Like there's some acceptance of I'm just going to do the boring stuff because boring stuff is what's going to get me. Get my skills and get me where I'm going and we haven't, we, we do different things. I would say, different things with hitters, meaning we put in, we we, we do to Plate machine. We alternate between a high high high machine, in a low machine, on the low machine.

We try to turn up the spin, so it's bladder, even maybe giving them the perception that is rising a bit. That's the kind of balance out like hitting a lot of breaking balls because if you hit a lot of breaking balls, you swing up a lot. So we balance we go high or low machine offset, right? Or left side, two plates and we go to plates we put them. 24 to 36 inches apart. If we go three plates, we put them like 12 to 18 inches apart

and switch them every swing. I mean, but we're doing the same thing. Roughly, we're in the cage, we're working on fastball timing within these three baths. That's not necessarily new. I don't know if you agree with that or not, but like, no, but I think we like a challenge. What was that? That's what novelty is, right? So like when I go back to like, what Eric cressey said, a long time ago when it came to training?

Well, all we have to do is change one, small thing with the program, and we'll get new adaptations out of it. Whether it's you change, the, exercise selection, but you could change something as small as this sets and Reps, you could change something as small as the load and you're going to see a new adaptation. And so, that's where all you have to do is tweak one little thing and you can Pull more out of it. But to me the this is where the

ecological Dynamics rabbit. Hole. Gets way more, I guess you get way more down the rabbit hole is To me there is a process. So exploration is part of learning and this is something that we've always done naturally

from as kids. And and one of the things to with that is when you play a game and this is something that I think Ryan Parker is talk to, or at least kind of got me thinking about way back when of, like, video game design how much replayability does a game have and how much time will a person spend playing the same game. You know, it's a, it's a back to your kind of boring part, I guess, yes, but also wonder if it's, if it's more, if it's more game-like, will people naturally

just play it? Like his? When I've talked to different people about like how they got good, well, they just played different types of games that were baseball. Like, whether it was baseball itself or you know, Backyard, Baseball, Wiffle, ball different sorts of games with other people of Big like just playing these different games, you learn different skills, you learn how to again, be fully immersed, in a moment pressure.

All these sorts of other things that you don't get necessarily when you're just hitting hitting hitting like you know overhand BP or you know about traditional BP, I think is the word I was searching for there and so to me that's that's weird. Right. Especially with young people, that is just and I think you probably fall in the same category as I do is I am not the best at gamifying.

Yeah they are. We're I like Falls somebody like David Morgan who's really good and has really good at is about like, gamifying development because I'm like you, I'm like in the weeds guy of like the task convocation and like we're gonna hit this but like Grandpa points on it. We're not going to like play game with it. We're just going to hit it to try to hit it, you know, just try to achieve the challenge and that's boring to a lot of people

in there. Again, they're not going to keep doing it. It's like the video game piece, like if the game is Just tedious monotonous, they're just not going to continue playing with continuing to play it and continuing to chase. It is like the most important thing you have to be curious enough to continue to chase it. That matters more than anything. Yeah, absolutely.

Um okay. So I wanted to transition just a little bit and So I know you've been looking into ecological Dynamics because you've been posting a lot of really good infographics. What what has been that experience? Like for you going down that, that rabbit hole? What have you learned? What have? So some of us, like what have you learned and what what, what has been challenging or maybe?

You know, when I talked with some other people they're like I don't know if I'm all the way bought in on on some of this stuff so if like, if there's certain things that you're not all the way bought in on What are those things that are Hang-Ups or challenges about some of the some of the stuff that you have read about ecological Dynamics? You. And I talked about this on my podcast a little bit, like this is not new in any bright. Yes, these things. These interactions are not new.

This is not a new thing. These things throughout the years, have just happened organically and I think I said this on my podcast, like I see part of my position now as like restoring things. Ecologically to the way they used to be not. Today, we have better information, we have better tools, we have more bunny tools. Everything about today is better except for the fact that

somewhere along the way we lost. like the ecological interaction, the natural interaction, that young people had with baseball softball whatever and so I think the things that I post I want people to understand that stop stop paying or stop searching for one perfect way to do this, because there are a lot of ways. There are a lot of and interact in ways to do this. The game is hard, the game is humbling and it always has been that there's baseball, has baseball or softball, it hasn't

changed at all. You know, we talk about data and Analytics. The ladies are ruining the game, and yada yada yada. And all this other stuff is, like, go back to hitting the hitting hard line. Drives is still the best thing to do. Like if you can figure out how to hit a hard line drives at abundance of different ways, that's good. The problem is, today, somewhere along the line coach has stepped in. Well, I know how to help you

best do this. Like, you don't like that moment in Moneyball, we're in the movie where Brad up. It tells the Scout like you think, you know, but you don't like the coach this step since like I know the perfect style for you to hit whatever. So you don't, you know, because whether or not whether or not you agree with the principles Beck, logical, Dynamics or whatever. And I'm certainly not the most educated person on this.

I'm constantly learning, but the simple fact of the matter is, whether you agree in principle or not, it's always real quick. It's all it's happening. With Caleb said that, on my podcast, self-organization is happening whether you agree with it or not. Mmm, you know, you're either yourself a task constraint or you're trying to stay out of the way and not being an additional task, constraint on a player like an informational constraint. And so I just want to restore and give players back.

In my environment, like you can own a facility and you can train players and not become an informational task constraint, that gets in their way to self-organize and adapt and become a good hitter. You, I said that in, not so many words yesterday on Twitter. I think was like, you can 1000% make hitters better by just by just telling them. Hey, let's try to hit the ball hard and let's try hit a line drive. And then if you have enough tools and you have enough, you have Eerily tools.

Like you could just create enough like real interactions with pitches whatever it is. I would, I would from a motor learning perspective, I would encourage you to at least change the back, you know, a lot of, you know, not swing this thing back because you're not going to get it again. It's about adaptations, building adaptation. You're going to get more adaptations and more. I heard it. Somebody said one time.

To me. You know it's like a it's like a like a big Highway and you're just trying to build on ramp to the highway like the more on ramps. You can get on the lot hard Line Drive Highway like the better they're going to be Again, it's just the principle of like the natural interaction that you got. I got I got it. Like, I got that.

I didn't have it. You know, people say people say, we'll just think if you'd had, you know, coaching or whatever when you work is like, I might not have made it. You know, I think somebody that is hardest thing for people to hear. I bet somebody had disrupted, my natural athleticism and my natural. My natural cause defeat to get balls. I may not have made it now, I may not have.

I wasn't a better hitter. I was not a better hitter. this is this is a story that I may draw one to one relationship to and it may not even be that The like, I led the state of in high school. I led the state of Virginia in every, at every level, every offensive category, as a High School, junior like a maze, like I hit everything homers RBIs

slugging on my everything. My senior year I was not as good, not even close to as good, which makes no sense going in the draft that I signed a power 5 Division, 1, scholarship, yada yada yada. What was the difference? Well. Because of all these things for the first time in my life, I thought I had to start searching for the right mechanic. And so I was reading a lot of things, like trying a lot of things with my swing, like, it made me worse and like, I was never what I was previous to

that. Now After High School, obviously pitching gets better. So my offensive numbers aren't the same because I'm not interacting with the same path but like, my search process was never the same, you know, I I never just hit you know I got into pro ball and everybody said Duty work so I didn't unti work like that. That really what I needed to know and work for somebody else so it should work for you. Right, right.

You know, so Again, from from the original question, I just put this all the stuff that I post, I just want people to know that. Stop pigeonholing or cornering players into this singular swing idea. You know we have a player like we have a player who scissors. Hmm, a lot you know, he seizes the cage, he had to pull side double the other day in a game he does this whatever, you know.

I think I think Parker said that about trout, he's been in the case with trout trout doesn't ever like Caesar in a game or in the cage but he doesn't a game. It's like just one of these natural occurrences that allow these things to not. You can be a good coach. Like you can be a really good poke and not give players instructions on on how to do

things every other swing. Like, you can still be a good coach, but you can still increase a high school team run production by over four, runs the game and not say anything to any of the player. And say anything nothing. I just allowed them to naturally interact. It's funny. I got a remote client. This spring from from DC and he's a young kid and the immediate need that the dad wanted to address was back to ball skills. My son's back to ball.

Skills are not good. We want to improve the basketball skills and and I said, well, you know, send me some video. Not that I'm going to break the video down and put you next to Mike Trout and say, well, here's the positions, you need to be any audio. I just just want to watch you swing. Just want to watch a. Well the video he sends me is the kid hitting off the tee. And so, I said, you know, I said

it's nicely. As I can tell you We need to get rid of the T. Like I'm not jokingly saying that like I'm not I'm not I'm taking the matter very seriously that you want to that you want to. It's not a joke. When I say burn the teeth like I for most people. I mean I mean it but get the ball off a tee. I said, I don't care what you got to do. I don't care. If you gotta buy a bucket of tennis balls and he's got a bounce them and hit them into a net.

I don't care if you got a side toss them to him because you don't have much space, you know, I don't care if you got a side. Also from different angles, I don't care what it doesn't have to be a perfect toss tie and actually if it benefits the worst off, if it's not consistent in worst, probably better because a lot of parents get hung up on. Like I can't toss good. Okay. What's your point like toss the ball at it?

He's got to figure out how to hit it anyway and so it's funny because along the way this kid this kid has improved his back to ball skills, like a lot. And the dad now makes the joke of who knew that hitting a moving ball more made, you better at hitting a moving ball, you know, right. Yeah. Like who knew, you know, who knew that trying to swing the bat bath. Like makes you swing the bat fast.

It's funny because I see a lot of facilities post like first lesson bat speed second lesson bat speed. Well Huh, of course because most of the kids that I see, don't swing the bat as hard as they can, because they've been attuned to just make contact. So they swing the bat at some speed of like whatever and they think that that's their highest effort. And then they just see somebody that says, hey man, like let it eat and they're bad. Speed goes up like eight miles an hour.

Okay, I didn't do anything other than kill him between carbon and he did and his back sweetie. I did nothing. Now again, this goes back to the conversation of back of all skills but like it is swinging harder now. And so It's funny. It's a funny world. We live in this coaching universe. Yeah. Um so I want to be respectful of time. I don't know if what your what's your time window? I'm good. Okay good. All right because I did have one at least other other direction to go in.

I'm trying to well. Okay, so it if we go back to what we were talking about before with the the helmets and then the glasses Right? So, if we go back to that on how our perception changes, when we put a helmet on and it's not just It's not just the fact that like, it changes your vision but

now, sensory like kinesthetic. Now you have that kinesthetic of having that on your head and then that feel and then having to deal with that because what if the helmet is a little loose in a falls off that's going to mess with, right? Like that's going to change how you move that's going to affect how you move and how you interact with the problem. How big the helmet is in terms of, like more padding, less padding, all these different things.

Things are going to affect a player's movement and that's the thing we are. I don't think we appreciate that enough. Like we let guys get away with I'll just hopping in the cage without a helmet on and hitting, and it's like, hey, do you go and hit without a bat? So it's to me, it's like the military, right? You should always be going around with your rifle. And I asked one of our guys, who's in the National Guard.

I'm like, hey, okay. I hear this thing about, you know, you should always have your rifle on you, you know, especially when you're training and all this other stuff. What about your helmet? He's like, oh yeah, we're supposed to wear that thing all the time. Doesn't even matter. Like, if I'm working on a truck or whatever, I'm supposed to be wearing my helmet. Like okay so why is it that the military understands these guys got to go around in their gear all the time, like they're ready

to ready for combat. But we don't have the same mentality, like it's fine. You can you can just, you know, where or no hat or a hat. In the cage, whatever. Not a helmet, right? What you wearing a game?

So to me, that's right. I think I saw Brock Hammett like I think I saw Brock heimet post about he may, I don't know if you know, Brock and Brett but no, yeah, he made Brett like start wearing a helmet in the cage, like, all the time and I laugh because like he's wearing a, he's wearing a helmet in front flips, which is funny to look at. But like you said, it's like why. And even today with my kids, my daughter play softball rights, she has to wear them. Math.

And it's like, I should make her wear, her helmet with the mask on it all the time. Because even the mask in front of your face, changed, your perception of ball flight. Ya know, and that's, that's especially if you have a C flat. Don't know what are your comments guilty? yeah, I'm guilty of Don't know why? I don't know why. You don't do it. It's easier because I told my dad I had to tell my son the other day. It's like, man. I'm not telling you to put a helmet on because I'm going to

hear you. I'm not nahi. I just need you to wear a helmet. Good because that my mind was going at that time of this. We need to wear a helmet all the time because you wear a helmet in a game and you need to perceive the ball flight. The same way you perceive the ball flight in the game. This goes to the light conditions. Also, we tried need to try to match the Conditions, you need

to try to best match. The like conditions that you that you trained in. Then then you play in and so if it's bright you didn't train in that and so your information processing will not be. I actually sent that to a couple of coaches that I consult with that have really good chances, in college play in the last game. Of the season, the last series of the season.

I said, if these games are during the day and I know that a lot of your training occurs inside, you need to look into this because if these games are during the day, and you have to win the last game, or the last series of the Year, this would be something stupid to knock not. To not cover a based on these are real. Is it not? I don't know. But again it's the principles of the matter like they

ecologically. I think you said this earlier, think it's the guiding set of principles or the anecdote. You talked about the anecdote anecdotally, it makes good sense. I don't know that. That's a real thing but that would be a really stupid base, not cover. If it was a real thing, wind chill. We already know that guys have different day night splits, that's why in the pros, they have not. Like it's I mean, at a very

basic level. We know that this, this relationship exists, but it goes back to me. The whole reason why people don't do it is it's harder. Oh now I have two guys will start complaining because they're so used to this and now they can't go out and hang out with friends now that, you know, their schedule got changed and blah, blah, blah. And like I just don't want it. I get it. But At some point it comes back to. Do you really want to win? How bad do you want to win, right?

And to me, that's you think I had a thought I was going to ask you. Do you think that? Oh I remember what I was gonna say. You probably know this. I don't know this because I have found it. But I said this yesterday, I think there's a study. I think there's a study and I could be completely making this up about like Latin American players, like players in the Dominican players in Cuba players and, you know, That they're better.

They're better because they hit more not because the intent of hitting more outside, but it's something about light, sensitivity in their eyes. I either saw that, I maybe even making that up, but like, now that I see the sunglass thing like that makes a lot more sense that like players that hit more outside or more attuned to information processing in

natural light versus light that is in a cage because mmm. well, I mean, if they do, is different information to be picked up potentially, or is different information is revealed based upon the lighting conditions and so, I mean, to me that you're part of it, but I haven't leaves everything completely different. Well, that's where. If this thing won't break on me, I was going to show you. I'm having trouble with the

keeping it connected here. but this one, But it's these, there's something in this one book. I was reading and I haven't really looked. I just remember that, okay. So, Driveline was doing the eye stuff and looking at the eyes and gaze behavior. And so they're talking about saccades and how we're basically blind when we have a cicada. It turns out that's actually not true. One of the things that it's somewhere in here. You can actually pick up contrast your contrast Sensitivity.

I think like you can see the contrast is still picked up in. Let's see, might not be an absolute absence of visual perception during saccades, but rather that contrast sensitivity might be lower during during saccades, this modern account of saccades suppression. Argues that contrast sensitivity is reduced to such an extent under that under natural conditions. Nothing would be perceived during a secure aid but that if contrast is very high then

Vision can proceed. so at least to me that that says that if we can improve somebody's ability to perceive the contrast like for example to me the seems you can somehow improve the contrast sensitivity to the seams And to me this is I might be inferring

here. but maybe contrast sensitivity is something is a trainable quality because if it's about the perception or the pickup of information, the more like, there's probably a way to train it and I don't know exactly how it probably take a while to figure out, but I think you could probably train contrast, contrast, sensitivity, and And so that's something, you know, whether it is that you're using glasses, here's my one, my one hang up on the glasses is what happens if they break,

right? I don't you don't want it to be such a crutch that if you don't have it, you like you're absolutely screwed. But at the same point that you train with it enough that, okay, you're good with it and you're good without it. And so like it can be a, it can be a training aid at sometimes 22. To help guys, become more sensitive to the contrast to see it more clearly and then to go back without it until like alternate back and forth. I think that to me would be the

safer way. Because so remember when Robert was talking about earplugs or Jared, talking about earplugs. My biggest thing is, okay, that's great. But now you just reduced or took away like if you can't wear or if you wear them in games, all you did was now you took away one, one of their perceptual senses that as can actually be useful and important. Say for example you're on S, right? So you hit or whatever are you

going to leave them in? Maybe you take them out after you get on base, but You know, you got a double or whatever and you can't hear the guy, the trail Runner or not Runner. But first baseman, he had a double trailer and I'm yelling trailer and you got, you got those earplugs in, you're not going to hear that you're not going to even hear me go, go, go, go. When, you know, so this is where to me on a practical sense. Okay, great.

That this helps improve this one element but does it, does it then hinder you when you're doing other elements of the game. So to me, auditory is huge. Just take that away. So to me, it's just a training aid, to help get you to experience. So, for example, under load bats experience of going fast, and then you go back to your game bat, which is heavier. But now you understand how to move fast and what moving fast feels like so to me. Yeah.

When you use these different training AIDS, if you if they are, if they feel like shortcuts, the probably are shortcuts and that means that you can't perform without them. And so to me it's it's using it more as a way to help blend and get to transition back to what it is. Your game state is so I don't have a problem with using these

different things. But I think this is something that Caleb. Oh man killed get into this all the time about Band-Aids. All that's a mental crutch having a mental routine and to me, I don't think so. I think having a very gradual one but to him, it's just Just a Band-Aid off. You should be psychologically, strong enough. And I'm probably creating a little bit of a slime in here, but that to me is the perception

of this back. Yes. Like your anecdotal principle of flow, you know, if a middle routine gets you to flow into a flow State, then it is important. Yes. You know, if you're mentally tough enough where you don't need them into routine and you could get into a flow State then great through that. It's like the tea before the game Freddie Freeman has to do the tea.

Well, the game in order to get into a flow state that he can compete in the game than he has to do the tea because that's what he has to do to get himself to that. So it goes back to the your--for. Your I think you're very first point of like the flow state dog. You about this though and I'm listening to do. Do you think in training? This is trying. This might be a Band-Aid to you. Talk about not being able to play in without glasses. Should we be using glasses in training?

That, that changes the light sensitivity, like you can use yellow lens glass To make the room brighter and hit you, can you content them and you know, make more red light and make the training environment. So, you build a more robust sensitivity is not the same light all the time. What I'm getting at in a training center so that you build this more robust ability to without glasses or without

anything. Thank you bit least experienced this, you know it's like the front foot hitting or it's like experience in swinging at a breaking ball. It's like this is not optimal but at least you've experienced this to have some sort of, you know, connection to what's

happening. No, no, I think that to me is what practices about is creating those, a different experience at a better way to to your point of it might be a crutch and if the glasses break you can play, is it something that you should install in practice that? I think so. Yeah, I don't, I don't have a problem with using them at all.

I just think that if Everybody has this early on more is better, and I don't think there's a problem with that in the sense of we don't know what at what point it becomes not better. So part of So to me, this is

again going back to why. I like, I want to demonstrate ecological and ecological approach is, is a, is a very like, it's all-encompassing, it's very pervasive, it permeates there's the work, it permeates through breath, everything in the sense of if you just take the basic principles of how we learn things. Well, you need and what you want to explore to find out what the limits are of the thing is and to find out how the thing

actually works. So you know, early on like let's use it a ton and if you can use it in game great, but you also you'll probably end up finding out and just as just to me like your run the thought of experiment. Okay, if I use this all the time, okay, there's this benefit but what happens in the worst case scenario, am I still going to be able to perform? And that to me is the analysis. There is, there's nothing wrong with using it in game, right? What there's no rule saying you can't.

So why wouldn't you if it's going to give you an edge? But if that edge is suddenly taken away from you, are you going to completely collapse? And so, I think from a coach standpoint to me, it's about making the player aware look, I also need you to train without it sometimes even though you got really comfortable with it, you perform really great with it, but I want we're going to have to take that away.

So just in case it happens in a game where that gets taken away from you, you're not up, you know, up the creek without a paddle, you know, like it. Like that's so that to me is where As a coach, it to me, I feel responsible to then have to train the athlete, to be able to use without it. But say, you can absolutely use it in game, but if something happens, you're, you know, you're super chill. And it's like, no problem. I'm super adaptable dextrous and

it doesn't matter. And so to me, that's that's where like an ecological approach, like permeates everything that you do, all the way from how you you interact with the new idea, a new Concept to how you are. You coach the athlete? Do you think I've had this thought to in a lot of, a lot of the, you know, a lot of the people need, I think Trevor said this one time. Hmm. These people need the belief that there is a one ideal style to do it.

They need that because when they fail, which ultimately, they'll do visually in baseball, like no one plays forever? So, ultimately, there's a time where the game passes you by They need they just need the security blanket of like there. There was one way to do it and I didn't find it instead of like faith in reality of like I just was no longer good enough to do it. The game, I couldn't interact with the game good enough to do it. It's just an easier pill to swallow.

If you believe you had this firm belief of, there's one way to do it. I didn't find it. I just should have kept looking. That was my belief, I think, when I first came out of baseball, was that guy you have something to blame Yeah, it's like the most people can't swallow the pill of like I wasn't good enough. And so they just they just they just blame it on something. It helps them get over it and helps them get over. You know, it helps them get over their own career shortcomings or

whatever. So they then they then they regurgitate that to other people who have the same insecurities and it turns into this culture of people. Eventually that again, like like you said, I'm just not mentally, Pella mentally, strong enough. It just accept that. I was a good enough and they move on. I mean, that's how I am about my, I don't talk about my playing career today because ultimately, I was not good enough, it wasn't because I didn't find the swing it wasn't

because I did. Already others wasn't good enough, I didn't play good enough. Well I also wonder the other ball any other than my own, why? I also wonder at your kid will be the same way. Like if my kids career fall short, it will be because they're not good enough. Well, it depends what you like? How do you define? What is not good enough and in some ways because here's where I'm going. Is that? Within every person, there's

there's potential, right? And so as a coach and even as as a player you're trying to pull out your fullest potential. So the question was it's a word that's like maybe my least favorite word ever who by the way somebody tells me that somebody has potential like right.

Awesome. You know so does everyone else know but I think that's why I like coaching like I'll work with the worst player on the team because I think that within within them there is the ability to Be a good ball player and because, Yep, they're there to me what becomes interesting and ecological approach doesn't get you all the way there, but it gets you close. Is you want to look at the whole person. And so when we start talking about this like what's holding you back?

Well it could be mental, could be physical. It could be all these different things, but at the same point at some level, There to me and I could be wrong on this. There's sometimes it's a psychological thing, right? Like, there's some sort of mental block that's preventing you from taking that next step of like overcoming what it is because right? When you encounter failure, what is happening? Oftentimes is you're coming up against especially when it's repeated failure.

You're coming up against your shortcomings, right? Like maybe we talked about this with business, right? The only person, the only reason like especially when you're in business for yourself, the only reason, Not moving forward as you. And so you have to face the your usual bombings single player game. Hmm. Like the single player game from Lake Nation. Yeah, yeah. And so the to me the the thing is is that once you to me

there's a process. So like I think you've followed Gary Vee Right up. Yeah, so I mean his his whole thing a while back was he loves the game, once he figured out the game. And that part of improvement was overcoming his shortcomings and like dealing with him Square on, and like, if he can get through this, this thing that's holding him back or whatever. Like, I think he was away more.

I don't like a, like, the feeling that you got from him like it because it's still there a little bit, but I think it's changed more and more over time as he sort of figure out, hey, I can make more money if I am what more if I'm a better human being. So in before it was just sell, sell sell. And however, I sell No works. But and so, so he got like a little bit of like a used car salesman feel to them or like that East Coast kind of edgy feel to it. And but it's been interesting to

see, like, you listen to him. It's like, oh, he learned that there's a game to this. If I can overcome these things within me and become a better person, then I can pull out more of my, my fullest potential. And I think that's the thing where people going back to I need to feel good. Well, you did then don't understand. How to get where you want to go to, some of this goes more to your boredom Point, like, that's not it.

You don't feel great when you're doing this monotonous stuff in the same way, when you encounter your weaknesses and have to overcome them. That's, that's painful, that's a very painful process. But if you can, if you want where you're going more and if you want to see your fullest potential, then you have to work through that. But if you're if you're okay with not then you have to do that. Whole thing of telling yourself, different lies, and all this sort of stuff.

But where I was going the larger picture to me from an ecological perspective. When you can understand how do the game that is being played, so to speak of, it's about a process and the process. Is about exploration and learning, and being adaptive and all this sort of stuff. Once you understand this process, it kind of it pulls you out of this, this negative Loop and it creates a positive Loop.

Like everything is, you can find a ways to grow in everything that you do and to me, then that allows more of your fullest potential to come out. And so that to me is maybe it was the frame that we were working in Was what was limiting us? And that's where, you know, this is a good segue into the other thing that we were trying to do and I don't I might not include this in the podcast.

But anyways, remember so we talked you talked about trying to create like an about hitting Mastermind group to figure out, how are we going to solve? So the the problems that we're facing in hitting because I don't think I can, I can do it. I mean, maybe I could do a lot of it by myself, but I think it would take, you know, ten years to 20 years for me too. To get all that put down organized in such a way to then

distribute to other people. Like I could maybe figure it out for myself because there are things that each of us intuitively know but cannot explain to other people, and that's great. So you can use it and be successful with it, but it's really hard for us for it to be replicated. And so I think what, I'm what I am trying to do or what I would like to do is figure out how to get a group of people together to actually Start figuring out, how can we develop language around this?

How can we develop a culture around this? Like I took it from this book Finding Superman which is about flow States. I don't know if you've have. You heard that book. Always have heard the book. I don't haven't read it. I think it's in my, on my Amazon wishlist I try to just when I hear things, I try to go in

there. I go to the bookstore Wonder around but things my Amazon wishlist, hoping I get an email one day that they're a dollar 99 on Kindle and right, well because like II just have the audio book.

This is sorry, I got the title wrong, the rise of Superman, but to me, this is so I don't even know if this is going to play in the right spot, but Did the story was that for these guys to do the most amazing so that the book is on action adventure sports and so these guys that you know, you said, you couldn't free climb, you know, I'm trying to think of the mountain but it basically like, you know, I think it's like elcapitan like the some of these or Yosemite, right?

Like you can't do these all good. These sort of crazy things are guys who are going off, skis doing back jumps and then parachuting out after, you know, off of cliffs that, you know, you normally couldn't cook to ski down. They talked about how there were what caused an explosion in advancement of like human

advancement. Was the fact that people were going to this, there's this one base camp I think, at the base of Yosemite where these were some climbers started or one guy just like, went all in and just started living there. And then eventually other people would hear about like the things that he was doing and they'd come there. And then they would, they basically developed a community where They were teaching each other.

Like hey I learned this blah blah blah and that led to a group Flow State which allowed the advancement of the sport for them to do things that people thought weren't humanly possible. And so in my mind, if we're going to solve the hitting problem and try to catch up to pitching. In my mind, the best way to do that is to try to get a group Flow State and to try to create a community around trying to solve this problem.

But it's going to be hard in the sense of part of the reason why, you know, I reach out to you to Jared and to the other guys in the group, generally speaking is there's really low ego among that that group of people because if your mentality and I've been around other people like this, if your mentality is, I need to keep these things secret. And I don't want to share with other people. Because you know, they could steal my ideas make money blah

blah. Then I think yeah I think we're going to then limit our ability to solve this problem. Like at least for me like I don't care. I really like Chad. If you go and make tons of money, then you're going to do the Joe Rogan thing and have a Joe Rogan studio in your facility and it's going to be great, you know, like That's my crazy plan of like, my dream of like what I would like to do. In the in the near future.

It's try to figure that out of like how can we have those types of conversations because it's going to take time but I think it will advance Advance like our ability to. To change the game. Right. And again I could be wrong but I don't I probably am. It's like it's like I would like to ask Kyle. I would like to ask Kyle Bode on my podcast. Would you look back at Driveline five years ago and think that it

is? I mean, you are you've been around the like even probably three or four years ago And think that it's up compared to now. And he probably say yes. I think like in, but we all thought three or four years ago that all this is the, this is amazing. Like, this is the top of the mountain here like, but they've gone further in like where they were now. If, if Driveline was driving, what it is now versus what it was three or four years ago,

would be like it sucks. So, the idea that I have today probably won't play out but some some form of it may, but I think it goes back this this whole thing this group and they spent a These thing is, how do the biggest challenge. The number one challenge is, how do we get? How do we get two people to agree on like the foundational principle to? Players to hit hard line drives are good later. Do that more often get the harder. It's blowing the air.

We can agree on the principle of the matter. Like if we were going to do a group and we were going to grow this, this bottle if we start from the agreed upon principle of this, then it opens your mind to the possibility that You know, there's maybe not one ideal perfect style to do this

by, because of these reasons. You know, but until I mean, my hang up. I thought I thought five years ago, When I really started to because I think you said this, I think you said this, I might somebody said this on my podcast, we felt about. We felt about bat speed the way we used to feel about people throwing 90 miles an hour. It's like something new here. I had her. Yeah, and yeah, and preachers had arrived at the principle of

the matter. It's like throwing 90 miles an hour is trainable and attainable. I can do this. You know, it's going to look like some Foreman bat speed power is completely trainable, and completely attainable and having more bat speed and hitting the ball hard, and having more power is a very, very, very good thing and you can train it. I can try, I can train, you can training, everybody can train it. And until we agree that, like, that's a good thing, like, that's the thing we should be

chasing then. Obviously back to ball skills. You know I'm not overlooking back to ball skills. Like in order to hit for power you have to hit the ball and it goes back to my original point of like while bat speed and power. And all these is the maybe the grand picture along the way back to ball skills is kind of really the day-to-day focus. And so Well, that's your area that well, I mean, that's, that's a hurry on, but it's a language thing, right? And so, the, the, the main thing

of this is personally. I think and there's, there's a TED Talk. I listen to, but I like the book. Good to great. I thought it articulated at well, I don't know if you've heard of that one. Yeah, yeah, he talked about when you and maybe it's in principles, Ray dalio is book

principles as well. Like When you're a part of an elite group man, you argue all the time like in the sense of you argue and you have these conversations and it's okay like you have these debates and in it you're you're you're arguing for the best ideas and you're working through stuff.

And you know, I might want to actually play a little a little clip from from this other thing that I was listening to even though it's a little religious, he was talking about when when you're having these discussions because this is happening to with you know, Jordan Pederson. I don't know if you Any of his stuff Jordan Peterson up Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein.

Like there's there's all these conversations going on where there in John Verve a key, Paul dander, clay, Jonathan Pidgeotto all these conversations that are occurring. And these guys are trying to work out these complex problems and things that they thought, you know, had nothing to do with each other religion and all this science stuff, but they're they're now starting to have conversations and what John Verve, a key or not for Becky. Sorry.

Paul Van clay was talking about is he's he's Illuminating the process by which you begin to get on the same page essentially and you begin to work together and there's this process by which you're having conversations in your trying to figure out. Okay. How are we going to have this the same conversation? Let me see if I can pull up this this little clip. Okay. Okay, so another way this, this to me I think was really really quite interested in Sunday.

We had some people came into church and two marks came in. One was a quiet Mark and one was a one was a more of a chatty Mark. And he asked, what is the frame problem? And so I just kind of walked through a little bit of what the frame problem is the world is too complex for us to process. We are small limited beings and in order to process the world we filter, so So filter is sort of

a metaphor this way. And this is key to part of what Jordan tried to get across to Sam Harris and their talks didn't make what's much Headway I think, partly? Because often in events like this people sort of get on stage and they have all these little sets peaches and when they hear something, that sort of triggers, one of their set speeches, they give their said speeches, and it's very hard for people, especially with very minimal experience conversing

with each other to really dig. And and get stuff done. You might say Well then why don't people just have regular regular repeated conversations. Well, people often do why not what conversations? Like this part of the difficulty is that if two people keep talking, they keep making progress like this, but somewhat, but you have to be there for all the conversations to sort of continue to follow them. And even then there's a lot of loss. So that's just the challenge of

conversation. So pre-show is making the comment here about not only the frame problem but also the quality problem and the the level problem, let's call it. So I think that he explained really well like when you're trying to work together on a problem and solve a problem at first we're just going to be interacting I guess with our are stump speeches and then eventually we'll start digging deeper but I I'm kind of curious. If like what were what were some things that stood out to you?

Because I heard you chuckle there a little bit. No, he dogged about those two guys, and funny. No, I I think I was thinking about how we don't want it. Certainly don't have to get into my views, on religion, or whatever church and all these other things. But I think a lot of the controversy and those things also derive from not being able to identify like, what is the, what is the, like, the What is the core principle to this?

You know, it's like travel team churches and they all break off because they disagree on like what is the core principle? And so hitting the hitting group fractures because we can't we, there's not a for there's not like a core principle and hitting should be simple, like, pitching should be simple. You know, the principles, the core principles should, it should be simple to understand. Now we can have covered their certainly lat I can't talk to people because I'm not going to

argue about the core principle. I'm not I'm just not. I don't have time if you're not going to convince me that I should teach mechanics first like I should teach this ideal say to mechanics and then we're going to go we're going to learn this. We're going to spend all this time on this set of mechanics. And then we're going to go we're going to You're not going to convince me of that. Like that's not that's not that's not. What's going to make you a good hitter?

Like trying to hit the ball hard and actually hitting the ball hard if you need to refine and reiterate that a lot? Yes, there are a lot of ways to do that. Yes, we've discussed that in this podcast, we can a disagree on that we can disagree on like Ryan johanns. I had Ryan Johansen on a podcast, like it hasn't come out yet. He gave me an idea about the tea that I didn't hate. Mmm, and I'm like, And so I can do with that like I actually have gone with that.

There have actually been a couple kids since I had that conversation that I've actually gone back to some of the things that I used to do with you implementing and using the tea. A little like 1 or 2 player because I think it may help them like his idea was very good but it wasn't like he was trying to convince me of a different principle of anything. He and I agreed on the principle that, you know, it's about perception and it's about conversation tonight.

Outpatient, all these things around speed and power. This is just another way to think about. Actual do good idea about how the tea can be, you. I was like, I don't hate that. Like, I don't hate that idea, it's one of those anecdotal. Thing goes back to when you make the point about anecdotes, like sometimes if they're rooted in good ideas and principles can be, can be worth exploring. You know, it was you it was your idea. I think we were talking about a minute ago and I had an idea.

Oh I had an idea about like covid in like I think covid like I'm not discrediting the seriousness of what covid is or was but it kind of really illuminated that the like the Tendencies of people to either follow, what the gatekeeper says more look, objectively Information. And it's like these two people fought on the internet all the time and it's like I know what side I stand on. But like how did the people that just want to follow the gatekeeper and want to be spoon-fed information?

Like How do you convince those people that social proof search for your own information? Like you can search for like people that want to be spoon-fed a swing versus like the people that see the information and like want to develop some anecdotal ideas about the information and chase them and see where they go. They did the people that want to be spoon-fed a swing ever, really want to take ownership to explore and search. How do you get them to their?

I don't know. People that that like just wanted to listen to again, regardless of where you felt about covid, One of the data points that I think you can really look at is like whether mask work or not did a mask actually work and like, The Gatekeepers told you that you had to do. It feel like the information wasn't that black and white that you had to do it. And it's like if you disagree with a gatekeeper because the information is like you, you want people to die now.

No, I believe me. I hate dying. I hate this. Little subtlety is not is not Get. Yeah, but like, right, it's like it's the same thing with swings. It's like you disagree with teacher man than you sucked at at training hitters, like, yeah. But like, there's a lot of examples of like people that don't swing that way and people that don't do that. And so that's where that's where to me.

I guess that ecological Dynamics, kind of bridges that Gap, maybe, but people want to be spoon-fed a swing. Maybe, maybe they never disagree. I don't know how, I don't know how you can watch a game or listen to hitters talk and not even be curious about there. Actually may be more than one way to do this.

Well I mean once you actually start watching video, right Ru you say certain things and you actually go and you watch the video and then you look you start looking your like I don't know like everybody said we swung down and then I remember seeing a thing of Ichiro like a picture that had like all the different phases of where his Bat was that you're like he's not doing it right, right? It Rose not doing it, right. You know, but that's it. Caleb.

This thing the other day of a guy talking about how he would rather have Trey Turner swing, then Mike Trout, swing. But this is where we are. This is where we are at this guy. Actually on the internet saying he would rather have great earners Wing then Mike Trout. Swing like who cares about? Like there's wings I would just rather be Mike Trout. Just give me everything my Trout Scott. How he swings how he bends. How he adapts? Give me that like why would I

want to betray turn away? I can beat Mike Trout. But again, it's like all about the swing like this fascination with the swing, The Gatekeepers of the swing. I'm not and I'm not bagging Jared Diamond, he wrote the swing Kings, he sent it to me a copy of it. I flipped through it. It was fine. I'm just not. I'm not worried. These one idea these guys, it's not thought that interested in that, what I'm interested in is like How the rising tide can

lift all the boats? Like how to improve player performance in a variety of ways. So yeah. I don't know how we ended up talking about covid and mask, that's why all those, because a good analysis. It can be. I mean it's hard though for up for other people. Just like I knew that this might be an issue of playing a clip from a religious person talking about religious topics because it can write, it can, it can distract from the from the larger point, right? That you're making about covid

or not about covid. But but like the illustration, the analogy that you're trying to use and I think a lot of people going back to the clip that we watch it. About how we hear certain words and we get triggered. And then our own biases, come in and they Cloud. So that like, so for example, from an ecological perspective, it's all about an information exchange and actually being connected to the information that is being exchanged, right? So, You know, talking past each other.

Now we're not actually talking on the same topic and why does that happen? So it comes back to like if we're going back to, how are we going to solve the problem of hitting? Well of the things that Paul Van Der clay laid out we early on. When we first start talking, we're going to have our stump speeches. The things that we're really comfortable with part of it too. That I don't think he talked about is sometimes it's unintentional. Sometimes, it's or some

sometimes it were unaware. It's subconscious of like we only want to talk about things that we're really comfortable with because we don't want to look bad in front of others. And it's not a, it's not something that you consciously think about. That's just like, a normal way that we all operate. And in. So there are different things in terms of like. So for example right now, okay it's being recorded that's going to influence, how we're going to talk.

Now if we turn it off or whatever, we may have a different type of conversation. So in the same way that the frame really sets up the conversation, that is going to be had. And then from that over time, initially early on, we're going to be having our stump speeches and we're going to be talking past each other but the more we interact and the more that the relationship is built built in terms of the other person is talking in. Good faith. He's not out there.

Trying to, you know, it's about his ego and trying to screw the other person in score points and stuff like that. Then there's potential for people to actually start talking to each other and then it becomes about the ideas.

Because if the idea is in some way shape or form in form and direct our attention and where we're going and influence, how we interact with the world and how we interact with players, how we Players Etc. Then then we can actually start discussing that and get back to the whole business of what it is that we're here trying to do. As far as, you know, helping players and creating guys that absolutely mash it mash, it a high level or hit a high level, maybe it.

Maybe I want to go back to that because like to me hitting is more than just mashing the ball as hard as you can. Sometimes that that works, sometimes you can hit it really softly and and score runs, right? Get on base and create Havoc. It like yeah, well sure on accident. Whatever. Like yeah I like to think. Yeah. Well it depends what? Like from a like over swing down because you pick swing. You know, I had. We had a kid today. Sent me a video of a check swing

single work. Well I think to check swing double-o. You look at trout. What do you have like a check swing triple. I mean this is this is the thing though. It goes back to an intention though. But I guess for me, it's not, it's not an accident in the sense of this is why I really like, Georgia Tech's, whatever their Mantra wreak havoc. All right, if that's your intention to wreak havoc, then that opens the door for check swings. That opens the door for soft

hits. It's not saying that that's all you ever do. And that's your focus. No wreak havoc. So anything that satisfies that intention is. Okay and that's that's where I I go back to an ecological approach.

Frees you up for that? I think to ecological approach and bat speed and we talked about all these instances where you miss hit the ball softly and it quite some hit or check swing and equates to hit this was the point that I tried to hammer home with the High School coaches, that I had the team with this false, like, We talked about hitting a lot in, in like

singular moment, singular event. And the only way that you can really identify a player's value is like, Let It All Play out, like let the whole season play out, and then let's look at it, you know, I try to tell them like, like if we increase your team's didn't mean, this is a simple step that I've pulled out a lot. If you increase your team's average eggs, velocity by 5 miles an hour, your team batting

average will go up 50 points. Roughly, that's a, that's kind of broken down in Major League stat. There's some gaps that are wider. There's some gaps in average is not always the best way to do it, but It's pretty proven that if your average x velocity goes up over the course of the body of work your offensive, that's are going to go up, but like we can't see that like you can't explain that because they can't, they can feel I'm not again, I'm

not against manner. All these people that are online like I respect people more, that are just like boots. Barry. Who is sharing his work more than he's going after people? Don't go after people. Just share your work and asking questions. He's taking the Socratic method. It's so powerful. but, It's easier to grasp like a singular swing idea, right now than it is to like, Let It play out because the uncertainty of letting it play out is uncomfortable for people.

You know, it's uncomfortable for our parents when they come in. It's like I'm not teaching them anything. So if like, I'm not learning anything right now, it may not help me right now and it's you can't talk about hitting right now because in One Singular at that, There are thousands of things that could work, you could check swing. You could roll over. Both the six hole, you can hit a rocket bullet day to the center fielder. He catches it. You'd be out on your front foot.

You could can't look at it that way. You have to, you have to take like, what's going to make my body of work valuable And then like once you can get comfortable with like knowing what the body, how do you make the body of work valuable? then you're okay with like, Not. Teaching coaching like every single moment because that play right there. It's like Kevin Parada like that guy. Right there has the tools and ability to put together a phenomenal body of work.

Is it? Is it going to look bad? Sometimes short is, I mean that's like my baseball's hard like as a fan you go and you buy a ticket we went and watched the Hawks in the Warriors. Play stiff, didn't play, but like you buy a ticket for the Hawks in the Warriors.

Steph's, probably going to put up 30 or Klay Thompson's probably going to put up 20, you know, you go buy a ticket for the Chiefs games, Pat Mahomes gonna throw for 300 and you know, he's probably gonna throw a no-look underhanded pass and the crowds going to and aw go to an angel skein, buy ticket for an Angels game and you go and you sit down and Mike Trout could punch out three times and like rollover grounded out 63 the shortstop and Go 0 for 4, it did look at good over for with

three punches and a 63, you know, I remember I remember vividly, I remember vividly when Dansby Swanson played in The College World Series remainder Bill. He just gone number one, and, you know, the pressure of going number one. Then it goes to the Constable Susan. I think he's like 1425. And people are like, oh my gosh, I can't believe he went number one, you know? Why did he go number one? He's hitting 025 in the college was least terrible.

I mean, they've been watching for probably like two years, those skills and those tools are going to play, they know that and like look at dance me know, but we react to these baseball you can't react to Proud. So for game that you spent $300 to go watch him play. Any went 0 for 3 with three punch outs in because his tools, his tool belt is big enough that like, you look at it into the air and he's the best player in baseball year in year out. Not because he went over for the

game that you saw. I mean, that's why people argue about bunting because one time they saw bunt that were You know, and it worked it worked. And so there forever. Belief is yeah. But like you didn't see anything instances. Are you don't draw anything. This is where it didn't work. Not post about that Florida. Couple weeks. Yeah, I'm gonna bonneted and got me. Well, I mean that's the thing is

like Point those things wrong. No, I mean, to your arrogant or prove my point for like these things don't work also. Well, that's the thing is like in baseball. Nothing works 100%. And and I might be the wrong. I might be saying this to the wrong person, but I'm not against bunting. I, there's a time and a place for all of it. Get it, get it. I don't this, I don't not understand it. I understand it. I even can I even can and understand like why people do it?

Just and and like they're I think I like to think of things in percentages and sorry. I like I like finding things. So for instance, I'll give you an example. I got really into, I don't, I don't gamble a large sums of money, but I like, but I like gambling because I like to find odds and percentages that are in my favor. And so I was trying to we're talking about betting on

college, basketball moneyline. And like looking at, you know, this team is according to the ESPN thing, is 91% 91% predicted to win this teams. Like 85% addicted to win and this teams like 88%. Predicted to win you parley. Them together. Probability that this hit is like 71%. Am I am I comfortable getting these odds and putting $50 on a 71 percent probability of course I am. Like of course like my odds are

good. There's 29 percent chance that I may not win and certainly I didn't win all the time nobody does but that's that's like bunting. it's like, It works. Thirty percent of the time or third. I don't know, I don't know. The probabilities right off the top of my head, but the statistics are that. You're not going to score if you but but There is the other

probability like you will score. When you bug, there's like a decent probability, you will, but whatever you're comfortable with in that moment, that's like how people misrepresent analytics. Like it's just the information to drive a decision. But that's all it is. But you make your decision based on what you feel. Just know that You know, if you put $50 on this, 71 percent probability of this parlay hitting you might lose. But at 71%, it's worth playing that odd.

And I think that's what people don't understand about the anti bunting, they're just playing the odd, that's more in the favor of not bunting. Like, I mean, you know that you're smart guy but yeah, this is our bunting doesn't work. This is depends on the situation, isn't it? Depends on the situation like you know like a guy on second moving them to the third kind of depends.

Like it's so for example like Arjuna bunts a lot right now because we can't You know, we get you guys, you guys as you know like and we just KK, you know, twice and then maybe like a short pop flying. You're like that's not going to get the job done. We need to get him to Third and we'll just Bunch them to Third and will bunt them in like because you guys clearly can't get it done this other way and we need a score. So they comes back to the other

thing that I like about bunting. If you're just talking about playing the game I show bunt right now. Now, all of a sudden, I bring the third baseman, and if you can hit the ball hard right now, all the sudden I can now give myself more of the field to work with. I think that, you know, like this is where I disagree with Joey, Gallo Banning the shift. No, man, and somebody put posted like Joey Gallo bunting. We begrudgingly bunting for 2 minutes, straight for getting base hits.

Some of them were also him scoring runs like, dude, they literally shifted on you, and there's a guy on third base. What's your what? What it like this. This is the thing of, like, our head coach. And I agree with him on this team, baseball. And what is team baseball? It's about scoring runs. It's not about your average. Oh cool. You hit a double. All this sort of stuff, blah,

blah blah man. If the defense gives it to you, let's take it. Let's score that run but it's like and that's the thing of I get it. You know, like me and somebody else got into it as far as not got into it, but he poked me on on this of like talking about, well, you know, wanting I can't remember what it was about, but he was like, well, what if they're not doing it for that reason? You know, like we talked about team baseball, but what if they're not there for that?

What if they're there for them to go to the next level? And, you know, it's about them, they want the glory and all that sort of stuff. It's like I get it, but I mean, I don't know to me at the highest level, you're not going to win a championship. If you're all about you, like you can't have like nine guys were. It's all about them, Billy. It's just, not gonna, maybe you can have one asshole. Like, I've heard, there's the one asshole rule, it can have on a team, maybe one maybe two

assholes. And the team can can can live with that, but more than that, like, it just function. Yeah. Yeah. And so, That's where we chose that goes into the conversation through of like in in in education with Coach about Bill, Belichick written by David halberstam which is really, really good. Belcheck was the defensive coordinator. I think for the Giants when they beat the bills in the Super Bowl and all they wanted to do was invite them who run the ball with Thurman Thomas.

For the whole game. And so they gave it to them. They gave them the run and then, you know, they would stop them on third down. They could score. They he knew they couldn't stop, they're passing attack and so he invited them to run and they took it every time and they lost the game. Like, if you invite Joey Gallo

to bunt, you are preventing him. You are giving up one run preventing him from scoring to You know, and so like I've only maybe like what's the percentage you have to play the percentages though. Like you know, how many how many how many balls go out? What's the percentage of all balls? That a person hits that go out? Like it's not that high like rats where it is you would if you had What If instead of Buck Showalter walking Barry Bonds

with the bases loaded. Hmm, he would have liked I don't know put everybody in the Outfield and just invited him to hit. A ground ball into the infield somewhere or bunt or something, you know, where I could have resulted in and out. Maybe, maybe. I mean, I love that video though. On a different standpoint of Barry Bonds. I can't remember what it was that All-Star game or something hits, a curveball, and his move to solve that problem.

It was a flyball warning track out, but the fact that he crushed it curveball and did this like, weird thing with his Feet. It went like this, and like that. And then he kind of stayed on. It was able to buy himself time for the ball to get to him and hit it go. You know, that's your point but at the same time, which is again, which is again, why pop in Bat speeds really important? Because you can, you can, like, do that and still have enough bat speed in the tank from that

position to be able to do that. It's like the ball. He hits out against gagne in the bat against the, legendary at-bat against gagne, where he's turning around. 100 mile an hour fastball in his kitchen and gagne dumped him like a 3-2 slider. And he kind of like a salsa to out to kind of Center left center field off of But it's got enough battery to do that from that position. Again, if you got back to being in the tank, you can do that. Well, I mean that's that's when I go back to The.

I remember where I was going with it. There's a talk about the bonds in the All-Star Game. We're talking about shifting, and Bunting and putting, although yeah, things to do it, for bonds, the opportunity to bunt, like, I dare you to bunt well, it is done. Well, I mean that some of that dough is like knowing how hot a player is like. It's different bonds is not the same person as Joey Gallo one time.

I asked Nick one time. I said Nick, if the guy the play, if the guy on the mound is a plus it's a plus Is like great sink plus you know, it's ground. Ball inducement is really high, you're late in the game, the guy the plate hits ground balls at a monster rate. He's got a negative attack angle like you have all this information. You got Runners on first and second in the last inning with nobody out. One out. Chances are if the guy hits it, it's going to be a double play.

Do you bunt him? Niggas like no way. Like I think I do Nick. Like I think I really do because I would rather give up one out then to, in this in this scenario, right? I know chances are going this is where odds come in with all the information that I have and the analytics that I have to answer probably pretty high. This guy's going to hit a ground ball to get What is a ground ball to the second baseman? Shortstop, we have two outs instead of one which is where one out is way better.

Yes. Well that's where I can play in playing some of the scenarios that you would like if we just play this out a little bit, Joey Gallo different than bonds bonds has the ability to spray the ball and hit it hard to all Fields. What? Okay so to Gallo far well and then and then to like, A single, right? Let's say you went with the scenario. You put all the guys in the

Outfield, okay? A ground ball to the Outfield can score two runs like we see this all the time in the pros around Bali. Outfield. Two runs score is like those guys are generally speaking. Those guys are fast off of second base, see it through. I like let me literally then it changes the strategy. Guys in the feel like you got first and second or even Bases, Loaded, boom. Ball on the ground. You're Off to the Races. Like it's you only have to think about it. You're gone.

And, and so then to me, whereas A bunt and it's just, maybe shifted. Okay, maybe that's one run with a first and second or so, sorry. Second and third, or here's, here's another thing that can open up to Joey Gallo. They shift on him like that. What if you figure out how to push? But push bunt, it pretty hard Third Base. Burn the third baseman. Now, you get a double out of that, you know what I mean? Like, What if double bunts were a thing?

Like that would just be because this is to me where it's like, no don't ban the shift so much more interesting things in the game could happen. That would just blow your mind that you would think like that just shouldn't happen. But now because you're doing these weird things, it now opens up in a Ford's new ways of playing the game. That could be really, really interesting. This is where I like to me the Japanese because they're artists right? The martial artists.

Like there is this more part of their culture. They actually liked bunting they had like a whole like game to move into it and you're just like okay then you have Ichiro who's like I could hit home runs but I think it's harder and more fun to hit. Singles are like okay but you're always you know what I mean? Like yeah, he showed a completely different side to the game and this is where I'm not opposed to all this stuff that we're talking about bats. And all this sort of stuff, right?

This is where it goes back to again. Good faith. Argument some people. They just have an agenda. It's like, no, I want like let's put all this on the table. Let's have a conversation. And like this is the one thing that I took away from inning by inning, with Augie garrido in terms of what somebody said about. It's like, here's this game of baseball and let me make it more beautiful for you.

I'm like that's a great mentality like and why I like ecological Dynamics because I think it, it makes the game way more beautiful, way more interesting, way more cool. Way more. Awesome. For sure. No, good morning. I mean I have two kids and a son and a daughter. And the mortgage think the game is the better. You know, I want them to like it.

I want them to play it, yada yada yada, but yeah, but he goes, I mean to have this conversation about gallo and it It goes to players like Juan again, it goes to coaches wanting to connect the dots between the, you know, the gate just being spoon fed information, Gatekeepers versus the search and experimentation of information, it go. It will go to players. Wanting to build a better tool belt. You know, it would I got have a hard time believing that the organism that is Joey gallo.

In the right in past in the right environment with the right tools as hypersensitive and as good as he is, as athletic as he is. Hmm. But it developed a more robust tool belt. Like couldn't develop the ability to improve his back to ball skills. Hit balls the other way, you know, but balls drag bunt balls, first pitch? No first pitch, you know, fastball whatever he could just like do something with it. If He practicing was afforded, the opportunities in environment to do that.

I mean, I believe he's a bill player. Why would he not have the ability to do this? Yeah. Yeah, he could do, it could want to do, you know? I don't know. I don't know. You know, it's like it's like if we want to cut down, strike out in the big leagues and we got to make the practice environment part, which again you're dealing with guys and people listen to this podcast to probably never really interacted with a pro player.

Not. But your mean, if you have, you understand that like, The confidence is kind of bravado, it takes to get to that level. They're like really hard to talk to because they can't really tell them anything because their self belief is off the charts, because it has to be gears that belief to get to that level has to be off, guard has to be. And so to say, man, like I think that we can improve your

basketball skills. We just made your training environment harder which is going to invite you to fail more in this but But it's going to improve your batch of all skills Fillmore in. You, you develop this a more robust ability to do these things. It's like the uncertainty of the whole picture. Like I don't know, man. I'd rather just like do what I do because I got here and I don't want to mess this up because it's a pretty good deal. Don't blame you for that.

But like it's kind of the, its kind of the Like the Russian Roulette of baseball. Think it's going to end. Like it's going to end. So I think if people understood that fact, it's like number one, you everybody sucked. Okay. Some people just suck less than other people, but everybody's back in hitting everybody's back. Your challenge is just to be less pain and so challenging practice, like help you be less bad, but it's going to make you look bad.

You know into like it's going to be over the what what what is the drawback of taking chances? It's going to be over, you know what is what is the drawback of like Pushing your cards all into this head into the middle of the table. Like what's the drawback going to be over anyway? Do maybe you extend your career. Through your for five more years. Maybe you extend your journey from high school to college, maybe you in your journey from JV to Varsity, you weren't a varsity player.

I mean, I had a kid like that he wasn't a varsity player, it was nice. Going to sit on the end of The Varsity. Pink came in as a 9th grader, with an exit velocity of like, 60 miles an hour. He's a junior now and he's like playing darting and getting to play. Because he took chance, he took a risk chance like made himself a better player. I think everybody should have broached that one. You know, I think everybody should approach most things in life that way because it's going to be over.

What are the chances of being? What are the woods? What's the difference of being right and wrong? You know, it's going to end anyway. So you took some changes in you were wrong. Oh well. Well, I mean it's that whole thing that that Donnie occur likes to say practice dirty to play clean. I mean to me practice who nobody nobody is there watching. Generally, speaking 8 know, even even if the media is, there are your ears are there.

You know, next thing ya years are there and so you know like like I could tell when we could use polish but we can use like Bryce Harper, like Bryce Harper wants to look Look like a buffoon, you know, in the cage before the game in front of the rookies or even in the offseason, like Bryce Harper wants to come to a cage with college players and look like a total buffoon. Yeah I get that but that's the thing with like minor league but you can't get minor.

Leaguers practicing hard environments in front of people you can't. They don't want to look like total crap front of regular people, they don't I get it rid of minor Leaguer wondering you want and wanted to hit off the machine and just struggled he could get out fast enough. Yeah, no. I mean but that's a thing of like how do we help? How do we help guys have like a stronger mentally? I think it comes back to.

This is the other thing of why is it that players are resistant to change this different, all this different stuff. It's like, it's the going back to what we talked about earlier. The frame problem, like how they're looking at the game. They just don't understand in my, at least to me. Okay. If I present it to you you understand it and you go. Nah, nah, then it's like, okay. At least you write informed consent. Right? If we're going back to the covid

stuff, informed consent. At least you understood. And you rejected it because you understood. But, you know, to me when you actually understand and come back to like, well what is the game? What is this game that if you want to keep playing and playing at a high level? If you can figure out what the game is and I know there's multiple different games being

played, right? There's the game itself and then there is how an organization looks at the game and how they understand the game and how they value, you based upon their And this is to those are two separate games, but if you just understand like the baseball game side of it, like what you got to do to be successful. I mean, it's much broader. I think that's the thing that I want to say is much broader than

most people. They actually have a limited view that restricts them and to me it's like no we you need to discover the full. The full length, or the full breadth of what the game is. And that gives you so many more options, like, you don't get to so many people get pissed off. I hit it bad. Well, did you hit it where they weren't? Yeah, you get on base. Yeah, right then chill out. It's fine.

You know, like you don't have to I made this analogy to our players because they're getting pissed and they're like hitting the ball decently. Well, it's like and just struggling and maybe a little bit. I'm like, guys. This game is so hard and you're going in there. Like you're a fighter and getting pissed off that you didn't knock the guy out with every single punch. You threw like, dude, play the game like you, do you understand a fight? You're just not every single punch.

You throw as a knockout punch. Like sometimes you hit him in the ribs or whatever and you're like, you're playing the game. You're each at-bat. At least to me is like, don't think that? Oh, I struck out there. Did you learn something? Did you get a little bit better? You're getting your timing down because you're going to use that information. It's going to go into the next

step. Set it up just in the way like your boxing, like you set things up, like you sometimes do things, you might lose this round, or this little interaction, so that you can win the next one. If you like that's to me, where guys just don't understand and they view it like you were talking about, they're not looking at the whole body of work, they don't understand the full game there. So stuck in the little moment game in, like, oh, I have to win this one.

Yeah, I mean you should but if you don't, can you still gain and and set you up to be successful? Us fall in the next one. Please for me, it's a it's a frame problem for a lot of players. They don't understand the full game and I need to get better at figuring out, like, how can I help with that? Because I actually think poachers are back to what we talked about before. Coaches are probably part of the

problem. It's the frames that they put on the players and then the players eventually includes me. That includes me and you also yes. No. 100 years, not? Yes, yes, looting. Our self from the right? Yes, I am part of the problem. Well, not should be less of a problem. My old daily goal like can I be less of a problem and it takes humility to recognize that. I think a lot of coaches don't have the humility, like his, right? We're back to the whole thing that you said before the

security blanket. Like I need to feel as though I'm actually helping because if I don't like now I'm going to beat myself up. I this is where for me it's like look in our head coach said this and I want to say this to like look, you're going to have to perform in spite of me. You're going to like I'm going to tell you things that are not going to work, they're going to hurt you and be bad for your career and you're going to have to perform in spite of that.

But every coach and I mean because it's true of all of us player included. They're going to be things that you're going to try. They're going to hurt your career and just mentalities things, whatever, and the coach same way. So you're going to have to overcome all of that. But there's also going to be things in there that are going to help you. So what you're going to throw out all this stuff. Well then you throw it yourself and your throat other people

trying to help you. Like you have to, you have to develop a system by which you can discern. What is useful absorb what is useful? Discard what is not add? What is uniquely your own? Do you know, to quote Bruce Lee, if you have to have some sort of system, some sort of a process by which you can filter. Right. I think that goes from just general understanding of What are the what are the principles of the matter? What are the principles of the

matter? And then, you know, built our information through that like actual information? Like not, I mean, maybe anecdotes because like you said any of those can sometimes be useful if it agrees with the principal Well and to exploring the other thing to on the principal side of it this is to me a principle. You should test every principle to see.

Does it actually hold up? Because as you big, get those little anecdotes while anecdotes that pile up over time become like a large body of evidence and then you may have to. So then you begin to understand. Well, how does the principal live and exist in the in the world? Is it just purely theoretical? And it was just a, you know, a pie in the sky Ivory Tower concept that has no Basis in reality is just like a nice, you know, intellectually consistent

thing. But it's not how reality actually works because to me, that's where reality is the best teacher in the sense of like, that's where all the truth, actually lies. A lot of this stuff is theoretical but we, that's what to me. You always should take the theories. You're like, hey, this makes sense. Let's cool. Let's go take it into the lab. Let's test it out. Let's apply it. Let's see how much at least to me. How much does it? Hold water like everything.

That's the whole reason I have this conversation. Ation with you and for you to disagree with me as like how good are these ideas? Do they actually hold water? For sure. No, no, I'm totally with you and I think you can be good. I work by myself a lot. I know, you know, I'm I'm by myself. So I've become quite good at like questioning my own ideas, you know. And and I think that can be a tool for a lot of coaches, like, question yourself question.

What, you know, you know, I think they coaches say, well, I can't, because I can't appear as less than whatever to my play. Layers, which is fine, which is fire. Your challenges is a coach or greater greater than that. You know. If anything, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Tony vital. Oh, my sister works at UT is athletic director at UT. I don't know. Tony. Vital of never met him.

But what appears to be true in how they play and how they is that, he empowers them to be confident in who they are and in like comfortable in their own skin enough to play the game in a way that they're not questioning themselves all the time. And so what you see culminate is way more important than anything he could ever do or say or Or adjust or feel stretched easily or fundamentally or whatever he just like in powers. Like that's his most important job. It's like and you Empower your

plate. Be confident in their own skin and I think coaches missed that. There's so many layers to be a coach. It's like Yeah, you got good players. So part of your job is to make them good and then Empower them to play at whatever Peak Performance. And then, you know, Challenge them to question what they are doing or what I mean. That's I think that's what I do to do well with players. It's like I challenge you to question and coaches to.

I mean, Chase with tell you this people that have been around me and worked with me in the eyes. Like you may be right but I will make you think about it. Like I'll make you think about your position like are you sure? I agree with you but why are you sure that what you just said is right, or true? You know, I feel that way with players to players who say things and I'll say, you know, are you sure like why? Why? And then they have to defend their position. Okay, we can go with that.

Because I don't long as you play good, I don't care, right? But if you're not playing good then we have to ask question. And that's that's where it's hard for hitters though, right? You hit a couple ground balls or you strike out and you're like well that didn't work. You can be right back to the whole thing of you like let's look at a whole body of work. I don't know what that number is like, that's where it becomes

really hard. You know, this year, we've only played, I think I don't even know if we're at might be be at like 20 games right now. Like it's really hard, some guys numbers started to pick up a few weeks ago and then, you know, we played it a tough team, some numbers held. Okay. And then other guys like their numbers drop way down again. It's like, I mean, I don't even know if anybody. I don't think anybody has 100

at-bats. We might, but somebody might be closer to honor plate appearances but like that's, that's rough. I think that's the thing though that goes into, like information. And what coaches use? You know what coaches used is, is to justify their decision to stay with a guy, or is it maybe they use game information, maybe these stats from the fall in the belief that they think the kid can hit. So they're going to stay with him. You practice information. Wrap Soto hit track blast.

He shows these plus qualities, we're going to stay with him, these bad ball. Tendencies were going to stay with him because if that we think we can Empower and him, he can get, he can get himself into the right mental space. He's got the tools inability to do it. We that that's, you know, that was one of the things that for me, was illuminated early on whenever started using a lot of Technology, like there a lot of swings that are good enough.

It just good enough like your swing is good enough. Now let's go try to Break it in as many ways possible. That's what the game is trying to do. You know, that's what's great about inventing thing. You know, if you want to invent things, Like the spinner, you know, and then spare, a building arm care tool. It's been reiterated 10 times because people broke it in interesting ways that I wasn't thinking about. Do you have to go back and you have to look at what you did?

And it's like, okay well we'll fix will make this better. If you never break your swing or your approach in. You never never gets broken. Then you should never get the, you never get the opportunity to fix it. You should be trying to break it, right? I got a lot. I think this goes back to what you're talking about to with ideas like in our Concepts and whatnot. Like, for example, things won't work and then Everett somebody be just like, oh it's garbage.

Just Touch Chuck. It I'm like no yeah if the premises were good and you need to go back and analyze. What about what I did? You know? Like you have to, you have to examine it. Maybe if I tweak some things, then it will actually work the first time, Thomas Edison's. Light bulb broke. Right? Stupid, light bulb. Yeah, not gonna work. This is dumb idea. Let's go work on candles. Yeah, we would never I mean we'd probably arrived at life, but it wouldn't mean from Thomas

Edison, right, right. And that's a beauty but we the Thomas wins the beginning. Well, that's what's hard though, right? Because of the somebody that had a long Thread about coaches and maybe they're talking about Petey's, but it's like, everything is about winning.

So you have a short time span to, like, figure it out and I get it because, you know, sometimes we get focused on the wrong thing to. And so, it's better sometimes that we get fired because then we take Deeper examination of our own processes and our own systems. And we actually then make some shifts in some changes. But I mean, similarly people also take the wrong interpretation and Chuck things that were actually good and not

let go of them. So it's a it's a constant battle and this is where to me it's running those different thought experiments. Like we just ran unlike the whole bunting conversation that we had. You know, of there are it's this is where I had to me. It's All about the nuance and until you have these types of conversations that we're having, you can't work out that Nuance on Twitter, like nobody reads past the first maybe couple tweets. Anyways.

Right, like this is where to I don't mind saying some interesting things way buried in the comments because I know nobody's really going to see those. And so, yeah, you can, you can let out your deepest Secrets. Sometimes your, your, your best idea is way deep in the comments and nobody's really going to steal them because most people don't actually go down in there and read. So the effort to go down that far, it's too much work. Well, why are you even on Twitter?

I just to scroll. Okay? So then everything that you have is going to be a super superficial understanding of things, and that's where I actually see a lot of, you know, you could talk about the problems, right? If I'm always on to the next newest thing. And blah blah blah.

Well, you only have a superficial understanding of these things and so you you really there's no depth to what it is that you're doing and I think young players, they can't discern that early on, but the longer that you stay in the game, the more I think you'll have a sense of like, okay, this coach just pull stuff off Twitter and Instagram and doesn't really understand what he's doing and is only going to give you a really superficial answers, but then you run into

coaches that have a deeper understanding and can actually explain things at a deeper level and can really help you out. I think that's where the separation is, but it's really hard in the sense of, you know, maybe we Talk about this when I was on your Pat podcast, I struggle with the superficial stuff because like I'm just I'm a deeper person and so the only time where I can really I guess in some ways I feel like people can really see who I am is through a longer interaction.

You can't like in a short-term whatever I'm just not going to impress. I'm not going to be very impressive in a short interaction. No me either. No me neither. It's funny. You said this on my podcast and the been I regurgitate a lot is the degrees of freedom problem on the internet. Yeah. And Coach chase a lot of super visual information on the internet. One of the coaches that I consulted with and worked with this past fall.

You had a chance to play in the last game of the year, you know, got away from I think what he asked me whether he founded accidentally, whether he he founded purposefully something that really really worked well for him chasing information that he saw on the internet. And so I come in and my job is just go in, like observe practice and just tell him what

I think. And I told him that, like, if I do this This, I'm just going to tell you what, I think, like whether you hate it, whether you like it, whether you use it, I have no idea. But he says, he says, you know, in our time working together, he says, you know, a lot of the stuff you said we used to do and for some way we got away from doing that, you know, and he said, maybe I was chasing things

that I liked on the internet. Well, maybe not, maybe whatever, but but again, The the information I gave him about his practice. Just kind of go to hit the ball hard. You got to hit the ball off the ground. These are kind of the things that the task, constraints and environmental constraints that I would do to try to facilitate self-organization to those things. He just didn't know that.

And, you know, he just didn't know that, that, that was what was happening when he was doing those things that were good. They were like positive adaptation to the practice task. And so again, it goes back to like an understanding of the batted ball outcome and then working backwards. They're doing really well. This year though. I think he's kind of God back to what? He, when he observed in a previous time to work. Well, that is again on the Internet is Chase.

Some things that he thought was a good idea, but weren't rooted in something. That was going to create the good. Past meditation. I had my headphones died so I can actually hear you. So I had to do a little bit of lip reading there and I feel so bad because you just went, you probably spent. You said a lot of really good things that I just did. Get, no, just tell the story about hope. The people can hear the story because I think it's good about

yes. The degrees of freedom problem on Twitter and a coach that I work with, in the fall, chasing some super visual things that he saw on Twitter and kind of getting away from the principles of You know, that of all outcomes and working backwards and positive attitude, creating past challenges that kind of illicit in a Ford positive adaptations to achieve the best of all outcome versus whatever

they're doing. Well, the hopefully he's going back to those things because he when I go and I can do the when I work with these people. I just tell them my observation then perspectives and that's what I try to do on the internet though. Hmm, let's try to tell people what I think like I do. Or why I think it no don't try to belong to the crowd, which is why you. And I kind of get along and though he would get along.

Absolutely not trying to belong to a crowd of whatever, just trying to do the best work I can. No, absolutely. Um I guess to wrap up then. Are there any is there any things that you would encourage people to, you know, look into resources, doesn't even have to be baseball related. I know I probably asked this question all the time, but I'm just curious if there's anything new that you would encourage people to look into on their own. um, I mean I have been Obviously, Rob Graves podcast.

That's pretty, I think, people, listen, this probably know that I've been listening to Andrew huberman, a lot. Mmm. Human lab is good. I picked up the book, dopamine niggas, don't mean Nation. Hmm, I'm trying to trying to get a better better. Understanding of Why parents are crazy around Youth Sports and I think dopamine response. Is a lot to do that. So I'm trying to understand that a degree to a better degree, think it's called dopamine Nation thing.

Somebody talked about it recently and I grab it, I don't know. Nothing. Nobody really knew. I think. Curating your Twitter feed is really important. You know what you mean by that? Just by Avery I think if people understand the way that I used Twitter, Is I spend more time on tweetdeck, then I do Twitter on the website because you can set on tweetdeck, I can not only, I can.

And I do, I follow your likes. The tweets that you like, sweets, that Caleb, like tweets that Devin likes tweets, that dry likes people that I like their ideas. I also follow things they like on Twitter, And so, but it doesn't give you that functionality. I have to go to your profile and I have to look at your likes but like on tweetdeck you can just set a column of like things that Garrett likes and you can set it. Here's a column of Garrett Williams.

Like is that a NASA are traveling during that, Jitter desktop thing just on the desktop. Just just on the tweetdeck website. And so I try to use tweetdeck more than use Twitter. So I can see more stuff because Twitter is we've talked about this. It's a, it's an amazing place. It is an amazing place to get information.

You can get the fights out of there, find people you like, and then, like you're sitting at a desk computer all day, just pull up tweak that set your tweetdeck to be whatever and then you will get so much more value out of Twitter is using tweetdeck, then the native Twitter application, Phone.

Though enough I only have it on my phone now because I have to upload the energy drink review and I'm on my hot spot and so it's only reason I have to learn my phone, that's the only reason I have any social media, my phone so I can upload the energy when I'm not on Wi-Fi. I mean, that's where I don't know. I got rid of Facebook on my phone and I like to get rid of other social media apps.

But the thing is, is that if you're going to be good at this like baseball business stuff, I feel like you have to be on social media. You just have to, yep. And you have to be on it all the time, which is again, this is a whole nother conversation of like, yeah, what are good uses of this from that perspective? We need to be out. That's, that's a next time, conversation. But I'm not sure that I'm good at that, I don't know. I mean, Chad you have way more followers than I do.

Yeah, yo your research here is much earlier. It goes back to thank you and I made talked about this Kevin Kelly's, thousand, true fans. If there's always room, references, Kevin Kelley's thousand, true fans. I don't think I've done that. And so my, my own questioning of my own methods are, like, why haven't I been able to connect with 1,000 people through all this time? Well, I mean here's well. Okay. Is this an exercise that I think?

Well, I have no idea. But here's here's the thing that I know that you've seemed to do. Well, I don't know because I don't, you know, we can talk about this offline but okay, I want to plug. I want to plug your stuff. For example, you got you have to podcast, you got your your, you know, members only components like all your different product like, so tell me a little bit. It just briefly for so people know where to find your stuff and like, what do you have, what

you're offering. Because I know that you've got a lot of good resources. Where can people find those? And what are those? I think the challenge is an interesting conversation that I've been on stumbling a into lightly. I think the challenge because everybody has such a superficial understanding of things. They're not going to go to a website and dig. Hmm. So how do you get with the atom one or two clicks information to people? They want to flick and when they get there.

The supervision is out of. It is interesting enough that they scroll. And so I have a website. It's not useful. It's not what I've been doing lately is developing the link trees that you can put in the bayou that when you click it open something that has seven or eight highly visible buttons on it. That has topics in headlines that you can just click. Now, is that work better for you? So it's super easy. So it's super easy.

So I have like, I'm developing a link tree for our in gym parents because I can hang a, QR code in the facility and say because we got pretty decent QR codes. You know, if you want to get two more online in for, because that's a thing of struggle within the facility is getting people to online information. Here's a QR code that will pull up a link tree. That's got eight. Links on it, it's simple. Scan the code opens, the link tri-band, click the link.

Here's the, here's the six or seven links. I want you to see. Anyway, you know, it's hard in the facility to get people to follow. You on social media like you hang up, the QR code, and for more information, scan the QR code and they scan the QR code because they're sitting there just doing nothing. It gets them to a link tree, that'll get them to five or six pieces. I want them to go to anyone.

Same thing with Twitter, I've got a Twitter so General reference link tree that gets you to four or five things that hopefully simple will get to the point that, you know, that I visible enough that you want to help and support the work that I do. Yada yada yada again. It's not perfect. I remote client. I've gotten really good with the two or three platforms.

I think with remote clients now, it's how do you recruit more remote clients and so developing a link tree that you get you to information that will get Like a 10 minute at most maybe five minutes, education on what we're going to try to do and how we're going to try to attack it and you know, body out, I think using link trees is like a good thing. Like how you can get people to links and information more links. And more information from social media Again, I could be wrong about that.

We could talking in through three months and I could have changed my mind about that, but that's what I want to do. It's all about how you use the tool. I've seen people inappropriate lose, use it as a way to put everything in there. I'm like, no, that doesn't work. It's got to be to your point. Maybe eight Max, you know, like to me if you have like, 20 things in there, oh, that's overwhelming. You look at it, you're like, oh my gosh, I don't even know, right?

Like it, so disorganized, I mean, that's how websites are in a lot of ways. People just want to scroll. You know, they just want to scroll on this one. Click button and I question sometimes in business, like are we so far into the degrees of freedom information that these platforms are even useful anymore? You know, it's all about ease of use. Why is it that people use Apple products over windows?

It's because it's easier to use it's more intuitive and like, but that's, that's an art in and of itself. But anyways, so but make sure to go follow Chad. I want to plug your your podcast and Twitter, my Twitter, my Instagram, all the things I've tried to make it simple to find just search my name. Everywhere you go, Chad Longworth, they'll Link tree there. You're interested in more of the work that you want to dig into the link will get you to link 3. It'll get you down, whatever

maybe I should do more. Maybe I should do last. I'm not sure, but we're running with this idea right now that help people easier get to things that I do. Well of it and then we deck use tweeted. Yes. Follows people of them, follow their like dig into their work. I try to like things that I try to like things that people would find interesting also.

So that's it. Alright, thanks again for coming on. Like it's always, it's always great having you on and and exploring all these different ideas and stuff is good.