Gunnar Peterson: It's Sexy to Try

[SPEAKER_02]: your buddies who come out of that relationship and don't use their abilities to improve themselves for the next go round on the dating marriage cycle, they're doing themselves and their current offering or future offering, a massive disservice by not trying hard or fuck do try. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, get in that coal plunge every day every day. [SPEAKER_00]: You do it every day.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't recently because Mine just burst My came I came I woke up in the morning and Came downstairs, which I normally jump in you know jump in the morning and I have a feeling one of my

[SPEAKER_00]: one of my frigging cats did something, but I had an air inflated one and a thing was leaking and you know, it had fallen down enough that the water was starting to come over the edge and it ended up being like half my day trying to make sure that you know, whatever that is 50 gallons of water didn't just last out over my tire, entire floor.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been probably the three weeks since I've been in, but yeah, I usually try to do four or five [SPEAKER_02]: You're a better man than I am. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I have one. [SPEAKER_02]: I get in it and then I just go to knees and then I go to hips and I go I'm good. [SPEAKER_02]: It's something about when I get up and here I just go.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do I need this and then I I told myself I convinced myself that the cold shower and the face and the shower and and if I stay in there for a minute and a half and there's something about being able to go gradually in that. [SPEAKER_02]: that I've just told me, but I will tell you that I'm diligent with the sauna. [SPEAKER_02]: I can do, and I use red light, obviously, so basically I'm about to give him, but I do a combo of old school sauna and red light.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I have no problem with heat, and I joke with people like, I don't know, I don't think you get to me to your point. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't get used to that cold. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I do it. [SPEAKER_00]: I do it because I hate it, not for the, I mean, I just need to help benefits are definitely their inflammation, reduction, you know, I being a non-technical fitness biology, you know, I'm like a Monday morning quarterback but for human optimization, I guess you'd call it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, wait, let me jump in to say you know this. [SPEAKER_02]: I have told my other trainers, hey guys, I'm in the office. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing a podcast and I go, just, if you have to walk out because it goes out to a parking, I'm fine, but whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: I literally just had my coworker walk through with this pants down. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the kind of professional environment I'm in. [SPEAKER_02]: I would last five minutes in corporate just so you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I'm like, [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and you think I'm not getting just out you on that pal. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what that's what I'm dealing with here and the good news is that's perfectly acceptable for the show so we're all we're good. [SPEAKER_00]: It's your optional panzer option. [SPEAKER_02]: Just he just walked through with his whole ass out smurking and I'm like. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna take the hit for laughing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna explain to you why, am I gonna, I'm not gonna show you when I'm gonna explain to you what I'm looking at here. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, well, yeah, it's your point around the corporate thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I know we don't know it's just, but I'm this exact same way. [SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, I, uh, I cannot survive in the corporate environment for a whole bunch of reasons. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, did you do it? [SPEAKER_00]: To have help? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I did it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got five times before I realized. [SPEAKER_00]: It took me three, it took me three times to realize that it wasn't for me. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, same reasons firing like, like failure to comply kind of thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, is it something egregious? [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's, um, the first two were, I broke power law at number one, I've never outshined the master, and the third one was just a complete. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a 40, 48 laws of power.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then, uh, wait, 50 cent did one with him. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was the 50th law, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: What happened to 49? [SPEAKER_00]: I think they skipped it to work for the title, but yeah, I'm sure there's a 49 in there somewhere, but yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so you out, you out, you out, shown or out, shown the master fair.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is a really interesting thing because I was young, I was in my late 20s, and I think this speaks probably to a lot of people. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought I was just doing a good job. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: In my mind, I'm just hard charging tons of energy.

[SPEAKER_00]: fairly significant ADHD, and I know that my brain's on all the time, and I use that as a advantage, and I've learned how to control it, and how to focus it, and I'm just thinking I'm cranking along, and I wake up one day and get a phone call, and it's like, yeah, you no longer work here. [SPEAKER_00]: Come to find out a year later. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm the number two in the company 47 person company. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the number two I get a call a year later And I was shell-shock.

[SPEAKER_00]: This was like it up until that point. [SPEAKER_00]: This is like my dream job. [SPEAKER_00]: I am running a media company We're absolutely crushing it. [SPEAKER_00]: We're putting on events, you know, whatever I get a call from the CEO a year later first time I talked to him since the day fired me [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, you know, I picked up the phone. [SPEAKER_01]: Did he fire you himself? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was black, but yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was technically his fingers on the keyboard that let me go. [SPEAKER_00]: So, what do you want? [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, well, you know, has it going? [SPEAKER_00]: And I go, what do you mean has it going? [SPEAKER_02]: Go, fuck it. [SPEAKER_02]: Did your whole tone and approach to him change? [SPEAKER_02]: Now that he was no longer in the, let's call it superior position. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you take on it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Did you, was your, [SPEAKER_02]: response approach significantly different. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my posture was go fuck yourself based on a lot of it Yes, yeah, that was not we're talking that was my posture towards them You know, and he's like, how you doing? [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean to has it going? [SPEAKER_00]: I go Go fuck you. [SPEAKER_00]: I go what do you mean hasn't going?

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like that's like you fired me from my gym job a year ago And never told me why and so then come to find out I'll skip to that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll skip to the good part [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's just a good part to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so basically he goes, well, I need, I need your signature on something. [SPEAKER_00]: So like, [SPEAKER_00]: Because I was the number two, we had a dual signature for the payout on our, we had a fan of equity plan in the company.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you needed two signatures for some sort of compliance or whatever, and I was the other signature. [SPEAKER_00]: So now he wants to get paid on his fan of equity, and he can't get paid until he gets my signature. [SPEAKER_00]: So once I found that out, I was like, look, [SPEAKER_00]: All sign your document. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, but you got to tell me why you fired me and he goes and there's a fee for this signature.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I, he goes, um, he goes, well, you know, like, and I could tell he's trying to figure out what to say because we're getting a lot of you knows a lot of likes, a lot of um, so he's, you know, I can tell he's grinding in his brain and finally he just goes, [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were coming from my job. [SPEAKER_00]: And I go, and this is legitimately what I said to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I go, you are the stupidest mother fucker I have ever met in my life. [SPEAKER_00]: I go, we had the best. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, I was out front media guy, event guy, right the blog post, do the podcast, you know, all that shit. [SPEAKER_00]: You're the, you know, baby kisser hand shaker politician guy behind the scenes with the board and the investors. [SPEAKER_00]: I go, I didn't want your job.

[SPEAKER_00]: I go, do you think that I wanna have to kiss people's at, like, everything you know about me? [SPEAKER_00]: You think that I wanted to walk around kissing people's ass, like, shaking hands and going all these,

[SPEAKER_00]: Back room secret fucking investor politics meetings because we were like a I'm involved with an association to it doesn't matter and I was like, I don't want to do any of that shit Like what do you talk about yeah, and he goes oh, well, you know, that's the way it's seen then I go wow you are a dumb mother fucker And then we ended up yelling at each other for about an hour like two just two grown men just screaming at each other through the phone

[SPEAKER_00]: And after about an hour, we both kind of run out of steam. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just had how about this. [SPEAKER_00]: You stop being an asshole to me, and I'll stop being an asshole to you, and then we can just move on. [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, sure. [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, now we're the funny, [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody said, if you always bring it back to you, I'm not bringing it back to me, but I'm trying to draw a parallel to understand.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think going back into one of my dad has been retired for years, when he worked that he said he taught me about there were some guys who were frontmen.

[SPEAKER_02]: they are the guys who go into the meetings first, and back in the day, I don't want him to get any trouble, you know, after the fact that there's a certain look to those guys, there's a certain demeanor to them regardless of their competence in business, they were the guys you wanted to go in first to sort of set the tone.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: I may attain, I've probably had, I mean, my brother once said you have a ton of turnover in your gym and like, really, I've had a gym for, you know, 25 plus years, I've had 10 trainers, you know, I don't know if I say under me, but like alongside me, and they come and go as a rule.

[SPEAKER_02]: Most of them, let's say eight of 10, um, by their own hand, they leave, but the others because [SPEAKER_02]: But some of them I go like, the two, I'm thinking of right now, they were the best, and again, just to give it a label, but not to create a hierarchy that's not there. [SPEAKER_02]: They're like the best number two, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm better front facing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm better to draw people in, I'm better to, [SPEAKER_02]: to set the tone for a room when the client or the potential client walks in. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the right guy to say here's what we do there and I show them the stuff and I'm that. [SPEAKER_02]: But the other trainer is as good as I am in the trenches doing the training work. [SPEAKER_02]: And when they set out to do their own gym, I go, ah, [SPEAKER_02]: that don't do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love you do like you and I just think it's my time and I don't mind I never want to hold anybody back and if the big difference between being a trainer and a gym owner you could you could be a great trainer fail miserably is a gym owner you could be a great gym owner and fail miserably as a trainer two different skill sets but when these guys set out I just go you're [SPEAKER_02]: Look dude, I love you. [SPEAKER_02]: You're not that guy. [SPEAKER_02]: Let me be that guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let me draw the business and then I'll spread it around. [SPEAKER_02]: It will all succeed. [SPEAKER_02]: So to your point, you didn't want to be that guy. [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing the other stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing you're in your lane. [SPEAKER_02]: He's in his lane and the two are marching along. [SPEAKER_02]: I completely get it. [SPEAKER_02]: So funny. [SPEAKER_02]: I see it on my business too. [SPEAKER_00]: So I did a TED TEDx talk in February.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's called Stop Living a Life You Didn't Choose, and it was all about ego, and how we, in my opinion, in my career thus far, I'll be 45 this year. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, when I break down, what are the things that I've seen in myself, what are the things that I've seen around me, people I've coached, people I've worked with, [SPEAKER_00]: easily one of the top three, if not the reason that I believe most careers derail is because of ego or some derivative of ego.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you look at the story that I just told, it's ego. [SPEAKER_00]: You look at the individual who can't understand that they are an incredible and indispensable number two, but they have to be number one, that's their ego talking. [SPEAKER_02]: without. [SPEAKER_02]: But number two, does it mean you're beneath me? [SPEAKER_02]: Number two means my thing has to come first.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had someone who worked with me once in the gym, and they said to me, you think your job is more important than mine. [SPEAKER_02]: They did all the administrative, and I said, no, no, I don't. [SPEAKER_02]: I need everything you do, but understand this. [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't come in tomorrow, [SPEAKER_02]: I still have business and work to do. [SPEAKER_02]: If I don't come in tomorrow, you have nothing to do. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not an ego play.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a power play. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just understanding, chicken and egg, which is driving the other. [SPEAKER_02]: And there's that great book, Ryan Holiday, the ego is the enemy, you know, that book. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's, there's some really good takeaways in that [SPEAKER_02]: You got to know, like, we don't have to be constantly measuring here. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's just work here and it's funny. [SPEAKER_02]: You had to deal with that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, it's funny. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it depends on how you measure success too. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you measure success solely on your own income or how many likes you get on a Facebook post or something, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Then, then, [SPEAKER_00]: that's, then it is all about you. [SPEAKER_00]: It's all about, you know, well, if he comes in the gym and everything stops when he walks in, then no one's noticing how many TPS reports I stamped and slid across it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you measure success? [SPEAKER_00]: I think, and if you, if you can get your organization to measure success by a metric that every individual contributes to in some way, [SPEAKER_00]: There's actually this awesome scene. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you saw the movie F1 with Brad Pitt. [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I've watched this movie like 10 times now. [SPEAKER_00]: It's phenomenal in my opinion.

[SPEAKER_02]: I went with my wife. [SPEAKER_02]: I said this like a date and then she goes, babe, this is not a date night at all. [SPEAKER_02]: This is you asking me to go to a movie with you that you want to say. [SPEAKER_00]: And I got a bit of making out in there though. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a little bit for the ladies. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a little bit towards the end there. [SPEAKER_02]: You get a little bit of my wife would strong.

[SPEAKER_02]: She, when I tried to play that office date night, she's like, no, that's understood. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going with you to the movies. [SPEAKER_00]: And God bless her for doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's this scene in there where it's the first race that Brad Pitt is by himself after the rookie, the J.P. John Paul's name in the movie. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know is the actor's name. [SPEAKER_00]: He gets injured.

[SPEAKER_00]: and he says, you know, they're like, what's our plan for today? [SPEAKER_00]: And he says, you know, everybody, if everyone can find a tenth of a second, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's pointing around the room.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's pointing at the rear jack and at the, you know, the girl that changes the tire and the guy that measures the air pressure in the, you know, and he's like, if everybody gets [SPEAKER_00]: One tenth, just finds one tenth of a second today that they can get, find us, we go from last to first place. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone just needs to find a tenth.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, when you think about it in that way and this is so hard, I'm very interested in kind of, [SPEAKER_00]: how you do this in a, in a, in a, in the teams that you've worked with and then you've obviously worked with some incredible celebrities and athletes, but I've seen this right finish that thought and I'm going to come back to three things bang bang bang and walk you through my connection to that, but I think about that and I'm like, if, if my measuring success isn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: isn't how I feel about putting this tire on. [SPEAKER_00]: It's did I get my 10th of a second or not. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care if I get my 10th of a second because I was good with the gun or because the wheel was positioned properly or the moon is in the sign of the Aquarius, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: The ego part of that goes away and it's just I need to find my 10th of a second to contribute and I feel like a lot of that starts to melt [SPEAKER_00]: because now we have this bigger goal and I clearly understand how I contribute to it. [SPEAKER_00]: But if at any point ego injects itself, that it's like, it's a wrench in the entire system and now you're never fine at 10th of a second. [SPEAKER_02]: I like to use wrench to stick with the car mechanic analogy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I agree. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I see that and I and I get that and suspending ego is tough for a lot of people, but when you work in it in a team setting, I'll touch on that second. [SPEAKER_02]: Hold that thought. [SPEAKER_02]: I look at fitness like that and I think it's not what are we used to we used to joke with.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say it was Johnny G, who created spinning, but it's like, one workout doesn't get you fit, one meal doesn't get you fat, my nutritionist Philip Goliath says all times. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the one meal, dude. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the one meal that got you to 280, it's just like it's not the one workout that got you down to 185, it's not, it's the sum total. [SPEAKER_02]: And I look at that with the recovery tools, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not, it's not your coal plunge. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the sauna. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the percussive device with the red lights therapy on the end. [SPEAKER_02]: But that helps the coal plunge helps. [SPEAKER_02]: The sauna helps. [SPEAKER_02]: The workout helps. [SPEAKER_02]: The extra sleep helps. [SPEAKER_02]: The temperature and the room when you're sleeping helps. [SPEAKER_02]: The reduced EMF helps.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's all, those are all the tenths of a second. [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're gonna do nothing but win, right? [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you're gonna do just like our bands, the end all, be all of training, no, but adding the bands for, um, an added eccentric to a movement that you've never used them on is gonna create a different [SPEAKER_02]: stimuli that contributes to breaking through a plateau that you've been stuck in for x amount of time.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can't quite recover. [SPEAKER_02]: You feel like you're getting your sleep. [SPEAKER_02]: You feel like this. [SPEAKER_02]: You've done so on. [SPEAKER_02]: You've done a whole bunch. [SPEAKER_02]: Then you add red light therapy bang. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one that takes you over or you've been getting [SPEAKER_02]: You're protein, you've been getting your creatinine and then you read maybe you because you're over.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just listened to a study this morning because you're over age 40. [SPEAKER_02]: You need more protein to be anabolic. [SPEAKER_02]: So you bump it up. [SPEAKER_02]: one, two, three, four percent for every meal and all of a sudden your body goes more antibiotics because you were older and you did take, you did make that effort to add to that. [SPEAKER_02]: It's all those little, I'm going to use it. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to put somewhere in the gym.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's all about a tenth of a second because it is, and those all add up to that character's lines point, right? [SPEAKER_02]: If we all get a tenth of a second, if everything contributes to that, you're winning all day long. [SPEAKER_02]: I believe fully in that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I do a lot of optimization stuff, but partially, I find it incredibly interesting and I love the test things, and partially because I absolutely fucking refuse to go quietly into the night, like that's not happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, my buddies were making fun of me because I started looking into like GLP ones and peptides and different stuff like that in addition to the fact that I, you know, I ground and I also have a sauna with red light and I do the coal plunges and I do rock walks and they're like, they're like, why do you do all this shit?

[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, just just go to and I'm like, one, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it's not going to be like, it

[SPEAKER_00]: keeps my brain active. [SPEAKER_00]: I find it interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a hobby, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like I sit on the couch and watch, you know, bass drive. [SPEAKER_02]: I drive here at 431 going. [SPEAKER_02]: If I added the Nordic curl before the zurture squat, I'll pre-exhaust the hamstring so that with the zurture, I'll really be able to smoke my quas because they won't be able to get help from them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, why am I a grown-ass man [SPEAKER_02]: thinking about pre-existing, my hamstrings before I go into it. [SPEAKER_02]: But then it's not insanity. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, that's what we're doing. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what all the great athletes do. [SPEAKER_02]: How do you get 1% better?

[SPEAKER_02]: How do you get a little bit more a little bit more than because what you did at, [SPEAKER_02]: 2021, 2021, 2023, probably is not going to have the same yield at 34, 35, 36 and you're trying to get that one last contract. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a big deal. [SPEAKER_02]: If one of your success metrics is financial, then that contract is a big indicator as to whether or not your methods, your choices are paying off literally paying off. [SPEAKER_00]: Well look what everyone else does.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone else gets fat and lazy and slow and oh, you know, to old and they walk around and they're like this, I had this moment. [SPEAKER_00]: So I coach my son's little league team. [SPEAKER_00]: I make coach him since he's seven, he's 12 this year. [SPEAKER_00]: And two years ago, not that I necessarily needed this awakening, but it was, [SPEAKER_00]: I he was pitching and and I went out to just he was what I doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say something to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's on the mound and I get out there for a second. [SPEAKER_00]: And then one of the kids needed one of the infielders came in and he needed a tie a spike. [SPEAKER_00]: So now there's like a break right. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm standing on the mound and I kind of just do this little spin right where I'm just kind of scanning the crowd the other team our team stands. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just kind of you know, just while waiting for these kids to get their shit together.

[SPEAKER_00]: And um. [SPEAKER_00]: Every adult male that I can see, I know where you go. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Sally and was like sloppy and was like, out of shape, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And I just was like, why? [SPEAKER_00]: Like why allow yourself? [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, like, I got this buddy, and I believe, you know, this is, you probably hear this shit all the time based on what you do, but like, I got this buddy, he's talking to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Great guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: wife's good person, whatever, and he's like bitching to me that he never gets laid anymore, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And I looked at him and I just said, well, you think about losing your beer belly. [SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't like that. [SPEAKER_00]: But I said, look, man, like, I'm not trying to be a jerk to you because I love you. [SPEAKER_00]: I do. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're a great guy. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great dad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good friend. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you got a big ass beer belly. [SPEAKER_00]: get rid of that and I bet she bangs you more often like just just face value. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm maybe there's other things to 100. [SPEAKER_00]: 100% it's a good place to start. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you want? [SPEAKER_02]: So so I say it a little different. [SPEAKER_02]: I go let's look at what you're bringing to the table. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go, you're bringing the table.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're paying all the bills. [SPEAKER_02]: Assume, like if it's that kind of relationship, right? [SPEAKER_02]: You're you're you're you're funding. [SPEAKER_02]: You're supporting the family. [SPEAKER_02]: You're right, you're the provider. [SPEAKER_02]: You're presiding. [SPEAKER_02]: You're protecting. [SPEAKER_02]: But look at the package that you're bringing the table. [SPEAKER_02]: What makes her go? [SPEAKER_02]: I want a piece of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And people are, I'm a guy, but they're married, they're in love, it has, you know, they love each other, they're connected on a soul level. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not always about the physical, like, oh, it's not about the physical, but we are a visual society, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: From your phones to billboards to the size of buses, it's, I mean, yes, there are different advertising approaches now than there were 20 years ago, but you are hammered with attractive people, [SPEAKER_02]: beautiful white teeth, long flowing hair, great looking bodies on the men and women's side. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if that's always shoved in your face when your partner steps up and they just haven't been taking care of themselves, there's something about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also the one thing in a way you can't buy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can pay for help, right? [SPEAKER_02]: You can pay for like you said the [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're not going to get the physique or the look that you want to bring to the dance. [SPEAKER_02]: that comes back to you. [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a reflection on who he is as a person. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not knocking your boy, but that's like doing it together.

[SPEAKER_00]: You need to get it together. [SPEAKER_00]: You need to get it together, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_00]: So you said something in there. [SPEAKER_00]: You said protector, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You said protector. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm, and I'm not a female, and any of the ladies that are listening, if you disagree with this, jump in the comments, let me know. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested. [SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm a female, [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that the vast majority of females, despite the nonsense that we see on social media, want a male who, if shit gets hectic, can, can, can, can, can keep them out of danger as much as possible. [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: I do think that whether they are willing to verbalize it or not, it is a part of the equation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when you wake up in the morning and you see your partner, your husband, it's hunched over and they got a gut and they look kind of sloppy and they haven't worked out in six months and he likes shit and they're constantly complaining about their energy and they're sleepy all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, are you saying to yourself, like, if someone comes and bangs on our door at 2 a.m., that's the guy I want going down, making sure my kids are safe.

[SPEAKER_02]: like I don't want to I don't want to bang him at 11 if somebody's banging on our door too. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying and like I you know and maybe maybe you know on the weird one or you know I don't know where you fall on this or whatever but like I'm right there with you but nobody says this nobody's going to say what you're saying because it sounds so superficial, so antiquated, so dated we have ice here right?

[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about the weather earlier [SPEAKER_02]: We are very nice. [SPEAKER_02]: My wife hasn't left down since three days. [SPEAKER_02]: She goes, I can't drive on ice and I go, okay, well, the roads are cleared. [SPEAKER_02]: I drove day one day two day three. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not reckless. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a cavalier with my life. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking care. [SPEAKER_02]: I said sweetheart. [SPEAKER_02]: men and women created equal. [SPEAKER_02]: Come on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Come on and you want to show the kids that they can go out and conquer the world. [SPEAKER_02]: You make smart choices. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you know what? [SPEAKER_02]: I know if I take if I go out of our where we live on our street and I make a right. [SPEAKER_02]: That's roads all the way to my gym. [SPEAKER_02]: If I go left, I go over this one high hill that comes down. [SPEAKER_02]: What if that's icy, that we take the flat way?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I also know if I go to the left, there are two bridges like cross. [SPEAKER_02]: There are signs there that I read all year long, bridges, ice before roads. [SPEAKER_02]: I know what I'm gonna do. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go right, let's use our brain, let's use our reasoning, and let's make good choices. [SPEAKER_02]: I go, you can't just be trapped in the house. [SPEAKER_02]: What if I'm not here, sweetheart? [SPEAKER_02]: What if I'm on a trip?

[SPEAKER_02]: What are you gonna do? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to be Cavalier with it. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to say, you know, if they say, stay off the roads. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but I want to go out and it's like, how bad are the roads? [SPEAKER_02]: I said, Twitter, I have a truck, let's, let's see what's out there. [SPEAKER_02]: What if we need something and we did need a couple of things? [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, you're fine for me to go get them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then you're telling me now where the hierarchy is here. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm that guy. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hunter-gather. [SPEAKER_02]: I have no problem with that. [SPEAKER_02]: But when the weather circles back around, let's not forget who's in that role. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: I have to be able to take care. [SPEAKER_02]: So don't don't be grudge me going to the gym early morning because that's what keeps me feeling competent to take care of this family.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got to let me, you got to let me be the guy and I know those are trad roles and we're not supposed to speak in those terms but I'm with you on that and you know if the women disagree like you said hit me the comments and I'll walk you through why I see it that way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying I'm right but I'm right [SPEAKER_00]: One thing most women do disagree with you and on this show, the one rule we have is we have to live in reality, which is why I guess I currently fall under the, under the heading of maybe a more conservative take on the world strictly because we just need to operate in what how the world actually works.

[SPEAKER_00]: And frankly, I love a strong female and I actually seek them out in terms of the partners I've had in my life and [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not about, I think, where we get lost in here is in this discussion is like, you know, sexism, and it's not what it's about. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, here's what I know how God created us. [SPEAKER_00]: God created men to be dispensable. [SPEAKER_00]: He created women to be indispensable.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're the only ones that keep despisees going. [SPEAKER_00]: Our job is men is to take the arrows in the rocks and the gunshots to protect the women, not because they're weak, not because they're incapable, but because they're the ones that make new little humans and we need them. [SPEAKER_00]: And like this is part of reality.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we both make them, they need us to make them, but in my experience, they do so much better at taking care of them in those early years, you know, if you're going to get to defeating the whole thing, my wife gravitates towards our babies way more than I do. [SPEAKER_02]: I gravitate when they hit like that. [SPEAKER_02]: four year point and I'm like, baby, taking girls weekend, I got them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're doing dad stuff from four on when our daughter [SPEAKER_02]: Our youngest got leukemia a year and a half ago and went to the hospital. [SPEAKER_02]: My wife did not leave the hospital. [SPEAKER_02]: That's where that stopped and she said, I'm not leaving and I said, I get it. [SPEAKER_02]: I stayed there with her for a couple of days and then I said, sweetie, this is a really bad use of our time.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I need to go back to work and I need to make sure that our son, [SPEAKER_02]: as normal a life, as we could expect him to have while his sister is going through this and his mother is going to be here. [SPEAKER_02]: We have to think not just of her, but of him.

[SPEAKER_02]: As she agreed, and he and I ended up doing some real bondings there on term, but we did some stuff that you certainly wouldn't have known that his family was going through anything this [SPEAKER_02]: severe. [SPEAKER_02]: We took, you know, travel soccer. [SPEAKER_02]: That is as anybody who knows, travel sports is unrelenting. [SPEAKER_02]: Like they don't care.

[SPEAKER_02]: He and I were driving Kentucky, Alabama, Cincinnati, St. Louis, like we're driving together and we're making the best of it. [SPEAKER_02]: If he were an infant, I would be struggling with that. [SPEAKER_02]: That would be tough for me, whereas my wife, [SPEAKER_02]: rocks at the woman. [SPEAKER_02]: My wife is great in that way. [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I'll do the dishes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not like, I'm not saying you're relegated to housework while I go out and, you know, kill Sabre II tigers. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine sharing on both ends of that, you know, if she has an income producing job, great. [SPEAKER_02]: If not, I still maintain that her job as [SPEAKER_02]: household person and child care giver is as important, if not more important than my job, but I'm also fine to share that workload at home.

[SPEAKER_02]: But she is better at certain things when they're little to your earlier point. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I think to tie it all the way back around, it is our job as men, whether our females need us in this role or not to be physically prepared to defend as, you know, we don't have to be jujitsu stars, you don't have to go to boxing, but just physically fit enough to put up some sort of defense in the event that someone comes to take your shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what I say to people in my world, to what you said to your friend, I go, look, I'm not saying you have to be a bodybuilder, I'm saying you have to look like you take care of your body, you have to look like the same way you brush your teeth, you wash your face, you calm your hair, you get haircuts, you have to look like you're taking care of the machine that is taking care of you, you don't have to, right, it doesn't have to be like,

[SPEAKER_02]: The car that's always got the fresh coat of wax on it and it's show ready, but you have to look like you care and you're taking care of it. [SPEAKER_02]: So I see what you're said to your buddy and I think it's awesome that you're that honest and directed there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have a couple of friends I've called and I'm like, and they get they are overweight and they know they bitch and moan about certain things and I go do [SPEAKER_02]: You're literally on the road to kill yourself, like you're at the point now, where you're about to get the diabetes phone call, where you're about to have the heart attack phone call, weight range, age range, stress level range. [SPEAKER_02]: Those things are coming unless you make active changes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, come on, dude, how can you say that to me? [SPEAKER_02]: Because this is my world. [SPEAKER_02]: I see this every day. [SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday's last time you saw no beast 80 year old. [SPEAKER_00]: You've never been a chocolate doesn't exist don't you don't make it that long so if you're going to be obese. [SPEAKER_00]: You're basically saying I'm okay with my life being 10 to 15 years shorter than it would have been normally because you just simply won't survive.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know I look I. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I know some people are built differently. [SPEAKER_00]: They have bigger bones and wider sets and, and all that's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: But none of it means that you need to, that just this, this, we've been sold this lie that you just kind of like limp into the second half of your life and take some pharmaceuticals and like manage the pain into when you ultimately everything goes black.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, it's completely fucking bananas and I refuse to accept it.

[SPEAKER_02]: it's what you said I won't go quietly don't go quietly and I say this to people I go don't shoot the messenger well gonna die and there's zero there are zero guarantees that my dumb ass coming here at 4.35 in the morning working out spending the time making the right choices at the menu blah blah blah blah I could die today I could die tomorrow could be a heart attack somebody could break it here and shoot me and my car spins out I reckon the million different ways for that to go down

[SPEAKER_02]: But the things I can control, if they're not that difficult, people you work out too well today, that ridiculous. [SPEAKER_02]: I go, is it? [SPEAKER_02]: So us in 10% of my week. [SPEAKER_02]: So us in 10% of my week, how about that? [SPEAKER_02]: And, and, and I'm the psycho that enjoys it. [SPEAKER_02]: I learned a long time ago, if I can convince myself, which now I don't have to do, it's just in grade, to enjoy the process, all the rest is gravy.

[SPEAKER_02]: how you look, how you, that stuff, that's just cool, that just happens. [SPEAKER_02]: My wife says, hey, sweetie, we're going to this kid. [SPEAKER_02]: They do say, you have to dress for this. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't go, oh fuck, what fits? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know what all fits. [SPEAKER_02]: I know everything, I could put anything on anything I own, I can wear, whether I like how it feels as one thing. [SPEAKER_02]: But I know it all fits.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not choosing between my fat boy clothes and my thin boy clothes, because I've harnessed all that. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's just another, [SPEAKER_02]: confidence feather. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: That just goes right in the cap. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I feel good going out. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't spend 15 minutes going. [SPEAKER_02]: What am I going to wear? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this fit. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is, it's, we're good.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, and those are little things that add up over the course of your. [SPEAKER_02]: 40s, 50s and 60s, where there's a lot, you reduce a lot of stress by reducing stress by training as think, by taking care of yourself. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Guy, I couldn't, I couldn't agree more. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the basis of my whole life. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a seven day, a week worker outer. [SPEAKER_00]: All different types of work and out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everything, hot yoga, to boxing, to powerlifting. [SPEAKER_00]: My goal for 2020, six is to finally get 500 bills on the deadlift. [SPEAKER_00]: My current PR is 465. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I have, you know, it to me, it's like, you know, then I got buddies go, oh, you're too old. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you need to pull 500 pounds for? [SPEAKER_00]: So I can do it because you can't, because no, because how many 45 year olds in the world can deadlift 500 pounds.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I want to do it for no other way. [SPEAKER_01]: Why not, what else am I doing? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're like, oh, you're watching a hack. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you could have heard my bad bend over to pick a fucking pencil up. [SPEAKER_00]: I could have heard my bad jogging. [SPEAKER_00]: I could have heard my bad doing just about anything. [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the shoes is one that happens all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very common one guess why I'm not going to hurt my back because I work out and I stretch and I take care of it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I can bend over and tie my shoe without falling over. [SPEAKER_02]: When I was in LA I had a woman and the actor I loved her dearly, trained to be for about 10 years, five days a week, and she said, I can't always can't have the anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to hurt my back.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel it when we do it. [SPEAKER_02]: It hurts my back. [SPEAKER_02]: I said, well remember, [SPEAKER_02]: of what you're feeling in your back is muscle soreness. [SPEAKER_02]: Think this way. [SPEAKER_02]: If you felt that in your abs, would you say, I've hurt my abs or would you say, I trained my abs really hard in their sore because you have a vector spinae, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: The antagonistic muscle group to the rectus abdominals so your abs wall that gets sore from training it because you are in effect working it when you're doing deadless and other movements. [SPEAKER_02]: You're just sore there, because I just, I just, it's too risky for me. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't. [SPEAKER_02]: I said fair enough. [SPEAKER_02]: But if your back does hurt going forward at any point, what are we going to blame? [SPEAKER_02]: Because now we're blaming the deadlifts.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if we take the deadlifts out of the equation, what are we going to blame? [SPEAKER_02]: The weakness, I may tame more people hurt their back. [SPEAKER_02]: because they don't do deadlift and people hurt their back because they do do deadlift. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't need to, we don't need to belabor that. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just, that's what I would say to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying you have to go want RM all the time on your deadlift, but like push yourself, the same way you do on your pull-ups, the same way you do on your presses, the same way you do, whatever movement you're doing, make sure you challenge yourself equally, [SPEAKER_02]: in the, on the post, on the post theory or change, just be, I had a friend in college, he'd go, I said, so you gotta train their back and then you go, I don't see that shit, I'm not just lifting for this.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I get it and it was a funny comment and the 80s from a teenager, but now it's just an irresponsible guy. [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta train the muscles you don't see in the mirror, essentially is what it comes down to. [SPEAKER_02]: And I know that it's not sexy, but it's sexy for other people. [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at those studies, [SPEAKER_02]: women look more at a man's glutes than they do his arms. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's those poles are out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, as a dude, I'm not trading that on a okay, I like up to you. [SPEAKER_02]: But I think long term, that's not a smart path. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm with you there. [SPEAKER_02]: It's and Metabolically Metabolically the glutes biggest falls from where the body like that's from from just from a body comp standpoint, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Just from a lean mass to fat mass ratio. [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing yourself a service by training the big muscle group.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we not do I don't understand it? [SPEAKER_02]: You know, funny, yeah, that's funny that you see it and you get it and you're mid 40s and your buddies are riding you about I think that's hysterical. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're on the right side of history on this one trust. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so okay, so I would like, um, I kind of, I'd love to chat a little bit about, uh, if you don't mind, um, almost like, [SPEAKER_00]: rapid fire in a sense, some general fitness, health, recovery, type activities, or ideas, and just get your feeling on them, and these are not in any particular order, but you brought up one that before that I have mentally just have not been able to pull my head all the way around, and that's EMF grounding, I have a grounding sheet on my bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, seemingly a sleep score that kind of stuff would say it is had a positive impact over time. [SPEAKER_00]: I do feel refreshed. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel better. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Been using it for so long. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I can tell, but I can't like put my finger on. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, this idea of our electrical charge and its impact on how we feel, you know, there's no meter I can put on my grounding sheet to say it's working.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, like, you know, where does all this lie? [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is one of the things that I get a lot of questions about for my friends. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're walking around in bare feet again. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's wrong? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, but, you know, I have, what should we think about this? [SPEAKER_00]: Grounding, EMF, and it's impact.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well. [SPEAKER_02]: The EMF, when our daughter, you know, she's still, um, [SPEAKER_02]: He's still coming out of that leukemia, which is no joke in anybody out there who's going through that or has gone through that, my heart go, I'll make myself cry on this damn podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: I just feel for you, especially anybody with anything in that cancer realm, but especially kids. [SPEAKER_02]: Since then, our house has changed completely in terms of plastics are out.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have the grounding sheet, [SPEAKER_02]: on the bed underneath behind the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: The phone's Wi-Fi is off at night. [SPEAKER_02]: It can't be by your head. [SPEAKER_02]: Everything my wife has those little chips. [SPEAKER_02]: I have one right here on my laptop. [SPEAKER_02]: I have one of the back on my phone. [SPEAKER_02]: I have the little things wrapped around the airport. [SPEAKER_02]: Like she goes crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: I still wear the airport.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, babe, I just do it on the podcast relaxed. [SPEAKER_02]: There is a lot of science behind that.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can think it's well-willed, but [SPEAKER_02]: But I look at it like these are kind of easy fixes why wouldn't I right my wife goes out with the and you know I've got your wife become another actually she hasn't she's a woman who's watched her child go through cancer and she's chasing this down and she's become that [SPEAKER_02]: protector to the end degree on that level.

[SPEAKER_02]: She has that reader that holds them out are someplace soccer at a place where they're those giant transformers things that she holds it out and she looks at me, she goes, oh my God, look at the readout, we can't play here anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: And she has to guide coming out to talk to the soccer people, why are we on this field? [SPEAKER_02]: What are we doing? [SPEAKER_02]: the the the reading is so high. [SPEAKER_02]: It's dangerous for the kids.

[SPEAKER_02]: I understand the argument of the devil's and the dose. [SPEAKER_02]: And if they're only out there once a week, is it that bad? [SPEAKER_02]: So so maybe maybe not. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't know enough to speak to that. [SPEAKER_02]: But if it's easy to eliminate, why wouldn't we? [SPEAKER_02]: If it's a little thing like putting that sheet on your bed, [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I will say I sleep through the night more, like less waking up.

[SPEAKER_02]: You could say, well, that's your fluid loads of maybe, maybe, maybe, but if putting that sheet on the bed gave my wife piece of mind, how about this from a health standpoint, that is a stress reducer in and of itself. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: If I can reduce stress, [SPEAKER_02]: which is an indicator of health, that's an easy one to do. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm all over there.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have a little bench outside and a little sign that says feet down and ground, like a play on that TV show. [SPEAKER_02]: And I go, look in the spring obviously not now, not a better place to just sit and and just take in five minutes ten minutes, just breathe, you know, if you can do it off your phone great or if you're just sitting there and and you're catching up on the emails or text you missed during your workout, find it's a little bit counter intuitive, but.

[SPEAKER_02]: still the grounding. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fan. [SPEAKER_02]: I have the, I have the little thing under my desk here, my wife put called grounding well, and she has one of her, she put it in here. [SPEAKER_02]: I said, babe, I have one right outside of the gym. [SPEAKER_02]: She goes, you'll sit at your desk with that. [SPEAKER_02]: So the grounding is a real thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: The EMF, if you can reduce those frequencies anyway, we have those little cards in front of the TV [SPEAKER_02]: I just think that's an easy, like why do we pick your battle, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to argue that with my wife. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you felt a reduction in noise on the little car, or the pins on your phone? [SPEAKER_00]: Like have you seen or even anecdotally felt a reduction in your stress?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because... [SPEAKER_00]: There, there, and guys, just so if you're wondering, um, there's a bunch of companies, if you're on Instagram, you'd probably say, like, Erie's tech, there's a body well. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, along the way, Jesus. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's what you use body well. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's another one. [SPEAKER_00]: And, um, the idea here is, and, and correct me where I'm wrong, there's some.

[SPEAKER_00]: some components and some geometry in there which basically breaks up some of the negative electromagnetic force. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't stop your phone from working, what it's doing is taking the full and again, again, I have a crack, it's taking the full frontal of this electromagnetism that we are exposed to all day and it's dispersing it and minimizing it so it doesn't have as big an impact on us. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll tell you where the stress is reduced.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the stress is reduced directly by having the body well chip on the phone or the AirPods or the laptop, but I know the stress is reduced in that my wife is not writing me about it. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a huge win. [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, hey babe, I put this on your computer. [SPEAKER_02]: I put this on your phone. [SPEAKER_02]: Please know I'm doing it for the right reasons. [SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't change anything. [SPEAKER_02]: I go no problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're in harmony there and that in and of itself is a stress reducer and I'll take that every day. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's already a win. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't walk around thinking about the EMF. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not wired that way. [SPEAKER_02]: She does because while I visit, well, I went to the hospital every day for her daughter. [SPEAKER_02]: My wife lived it and she documented everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if she sees that as a [SPEAKER_02]: If she saw that up close and personal in a way that I didn't see it, I was more just staring at our daughter for two to six hours every day and my wife was there for 24 hours every day and she's seeing different things. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to defer to her on that. [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I would say get the sheet for your bed. [SPEAKER_02]: Why wouldn't you? [SPEAKER_00]: The sheet is a no-brainer.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's 79 bucks for the one that goes under your sheets. [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you want to get the actual sheets you sleep between the, like, it's not even expensive. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And I will say what I know for sure, just from the amount of research that I've done, is that our bodies are too acidic. [SPEAKER_00]: And that acid do with the plastics and the preservatives in the food and the electromagnetic radiation that we face every day.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I know the tractors and the skeptics on this kind of stuff [SPEAKER_00]: Our, this has been such a short, this is the part that, that where, where I see the pessimists. [SPEAKER_00]: Where I, I just cannot, I cannot even wrap my head around the pessimist viewpoint here because to your point. [SPEAKER_00]: there's no harm, there's only upside, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: The harm, the most harm is if you go full hog, the couple hundred dollars for all these advice, and a couple hundred dollars as much as it is for all these devices. [SPEAKER_02]: So, and then the, then the argument of, yeah, but look at the people and the blue zones and look at the people who live to 80, 90, 100 years old. [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, yay, yay, have a timeout. [SPEAKER_02]: the electromagnetic fields that we're being exposed to now, those people didn't have that.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were born before there were things like cell phones for sure, but like credit cards. [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't travel the way we travel. [SPEAKER_02]: They haven't been exposed to microwaves the way we have like, even if it's not on that microwave, I still use it. [SPEAKER_02]: My wife, absolutely not. [SPEAKER_02]: She's air fried okay, but the air fry is electric. [SPEAKER_02]: Like how far are we going to go?

[SPEAKER_02]: My kid's screen time by age five is more than mine by age 50 period like they're exposed to different things and with that There are bent there are there are benefits and and detractors as we said so we just don't know [SPEAKER_00]: That's the part that drives me nuts is like, how can you have an opinion on it?

[SPEAKER_00]: People be like, there's no studies, and I'm like, we've only been exposed to daily cell phone in our face radiation 24-7 for a decade, because before that, the phones didn't have the same level of radiation coming off them, and even if they were near you and even culturally, we didn't keep them on us all the time, because they only did basically send text messages and phone calls, that's all they did. [SPEAKER_00]: This has been such a short period of time.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way for us to, there's no way for us to adequately understand the impact. [SPEAKER_00]: What we do know downstream, and this is the part where I just do not see being a pessimist on this stuff, what we do know is our bodies are too acidic, and we have more mental noise in terms, like if you look at actual brain scans, then, ever before in history.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know why necessarily, but we do know we have more mental noise and a reduced ability to focus and more general state cortisol than ever before, and our bodies have too much acidity versus what they should be. [SPEAKER_00]: So we know those two things are true, but we can't directly tie them to some of this stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Why would you not want to take any step possible to put yourself back into harmony? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand why.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the part that breaks me on this stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: agree. [SPEAKER_02]: I heard something not long ago. [SPEAKER_02]: It might have been Oprah's thing on the view where she said the GOP once turned down the food noise. [SPEAKER_02]: And I've heard that term a few times in the last few months. [SPEAKER_02]: And I was talking to my dad about it. [SPEAKER_02]: And Mike, he said, what are you talking about? [SPEAKER_02]: Food noise.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's not, my dad seems like his phone is downstairs. [SPEAKER_02]: He goes to the charger. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, he's just a different thing. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have food noise, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: My grandparents didn't have food noise because there wasn't [SPEAKER_02]: the TV on all the time where things coming on your phone or Instagram or or the constant reminders or ads during podcasts like food noise was that that's got to be I'd love to know when that term was coined or when it became such a part of our vernacular.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just [SPEAKER_02]: that those are new things to us, food noises new, EMF is new, but as are a lot of the devices that we take for granted and we adopted, like you said a decade ago or less, like it wasn't that long ago that it was like a landline, like everybody was landlines. [SPEAKER_02]: When I was in college, I know what seems like a million years ago, we had a landline at our house.

[SPEAKER_02]: And after that, [SPEAKER_02]: It was hard-blocked in my car like jacket out of the thing, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And then there was a portable one that had like no kind of battery, a couple of hours. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_02]: So these are all new things. [SPEAKER_02]: And you have to assume with them and with those conveniences, there are potential downsides.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if somebody's identifying the downside, and then there's a counter to that, I look at it like, maybe we're saying the same thing, why not, why not do the [SPEAKER_00]: Have you taken a GP one? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not I take nothing honestly. [SPEAKER_02]: That's funny. [SPEAKER_02]: I have a I work with Jim supple Miss Gerway. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm I literally take I take their alpha gym. [SPEAKER_02]: I take their greens I take their protein powder and I take creatine.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's literally all I take and I don't but it's not a [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a political position on my part. [SPEAKER_02]: I have nothing against any of those things. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think, I think, I don't, I will drink alcohol, but I don't do drugs. [SPEAKER_02]: I just, that's not me, and I've had people say, but you know, if we just so much better for you than alcohol, I'm from a different era, I just grew up differently to me. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't gamble.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't drink coffee, but I will have an energy drink. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'll drink a Zoa. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just me because somewhere in my brain, if I get on the other thing, I'll go, I'll go ham on it. [SPEAKER_02]: I just know myself. [SPEAKER_02]: If I got into coffee, I know myself. [SPEAKER_02]: If I got into it, same reason. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't do the same reason.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't [SPEAKER_02]: But I look at it and I used to joke with this with with the client of mine and action hero in the movies and I and I used to say to him you just say you got to get on stuff and I say I know myself if I get on it and I go down to 6% body fat I'm going to want to go down to five I'm going to want to four I just know.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I can always I do this scan in the mirror every day and I go, what am I not doing right is my training on point is my food on point is my hydration on point is my stress management on point on my taking myself as have I've been diligent with my restaurant recovery my sleep my red light my son am I doing everything right. [SPEAKER_02]: If I don't like what I see, they're always at least two things that I've done wrong, pilot error.

[SPEAKER_02]: If I correct that, the situation reverses. [SPEAKER_02]: And until I use the power to reverse the situation with what I'm doing, I'm not gonna take on something new. [SPEAKER_02]: Like the people who go to the supplement store and you buy five or eight things, I think that's a silly approach because how do you know what's doing what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is, to I'm a, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is about me, but like when I, when I'm into something, I go all the way down. [SPEAKER_00]: So I have to be very careful around what things I start to let rent space in my head, because and I'll tell you this happened like with around COVID with politics, you know, I always, I always kind of tangentially followed what was going on, but you know, kind of arms length and then

[SPEAKER_00]: COVID things weren't adding up like with a lot of people, but ever, and I started diving it and then I went all the way down into like, you know, I'm reading books on his history and I'm like, and I'm like, this is nothing productive. [SPEAKER_00]: I got to come all the way out. [SPEAKER_00]: And now I try to stay out, it's hard, but ever, but like with with the optimization part. [SPEAKER_00]: again, I was the CEO of a seven location fitness franchise for about a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a different story. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a fitness trained in any way though. [SPEAKER_00]: It's all just self-taught. [SPEAKER_00]: But with the supplements and stuff, what got me, so I do take a micro dose. [SPEAKER_00]: uh... you know with a doctor not not self whatever with a doctor uh... uh... uh... glp one to zepatide uh... with technically glp two uh... and our generation two and then um... test a moral in the peptide uh... and then uh... i have some

[SPEAKER_00]: information issues and I use uh uh they don't those are the three things that now now track zine I'll check zone so I'm like that lightweight anti-inflammatory but um don't be PC157 not yet no not yet the more I read the more I listen there [SPEAKER_02]: Who's that guy? [SPEAKER_02]: There's a guy in Instagram, Dr. Trevor Bocmar, he's very compelling, he breaks it down. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's almost like he's talking to you like you're an idiot, but I think he's not.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's just so passionate and so knowledgeable. [SPEAKER_02]: And the way he says it, I mean, if a company were ever to do a pitch for it, like if it became something that they were advertising, they should use some of his analogies because when I, the minute I come off his page, I think that got to get on it, here I go. [SPEAKER_02]: And then I talk myself off because I just know, [SPEAKER_02]: Once I started to get a meal haven't taken that I should take TB 500.

[SPEAKER_02]: I should say that I just know myself So I pull back and I don't and I haven't but I'm not saying I won't I'm not that guy and I don't begrudge anybody who does to whatever you need go It's hard. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're doing the right thing until you're mentally ready So what pushed me was I had a testosterone scare two years ago This month January of 2024.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it was [SPEAKER_00]: I'm used to New York winners, I'm used to the desolation and you don't see the sun and you know the whole thing you know vitamin D deficiency and all that kind of stuff and yeah I'm done it for 45 years except this was different this was like like every moment of my day I was walking through molasses it just there was nothing no libido no energy no drive nothing I was just I was just operating I was like a shell

[SPEAKER_00]: So this goes on for a couple of weeks. [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta figure what's out. [SPEAKER_00]: Go to the doctors, get a test. [SPEAKER_00]: My testosterone is in a 7th percentile. [SPEAKER_00]: I have like 30 free testosterone or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the milliliters or milligrams, whatever it is. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, all I know is you're supposed to have 500 to 700 and I had 30. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I did not want to go on synthetic testosterone or TRT. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's what got me, that's what pushed me down this peptide path was, you know, my doctor found this hormone optimization specialist and and okay, so all that's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: That was my situation. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I get in, but I can tell you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so I think you're doing the right thing personally knowing yourself because what I've found is now I now I'm constantly searching for because I feel amazing that this this low dose very low dose micro dose of of of testimony and to zapatide, I wondering where to test levels net out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I met a 770 now, but between 770 and 900, depending on, you know, whatever, and bounce back within three or four months, and now I feel like I feel amazing, but the problem is to your point. [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm constantly looking for that next week.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been looking at BBC one of the seven, I've been looking at any of the plus injections, and I'm going like, in my brain, I'm like, just stop, but I know [SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm in this like tinkerer phase and I'm tinkering tinkering tinkering.

[SPEAKER_00]: But to your point, when you start stacking up all this stuff, [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like and maybe this is kind of the thing that I just want to share with the audience is that if you haven't done the primary work that we were discussing at the beginning of the show, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like having a work out routine, hydrating properly, getting decent sleep, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like eating, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have those things in place, you will never know if any of this exotic shit actually works. [SPEAKER_02]: Because it becomes very dust, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you're sprinkling it, [SPEAKER_02]: So I could tell my son with the one of your spices or sea salt or whatever I go. [SPEAKER_02]: If the food's good, just eat very little bit. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: If the food's garbage, put a little more on it's palatable and you'll be fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know myself and I know how it would be and I look at some people and I go, you haven't prepared the food properly. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you haven't done the base stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you think you're just gonna throw peptides at this, [SPEAKER_02]: nightmare of a lifestyle you have and it's going to spin it all around because it's magic juice. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not. [SPEAKER_02]: And then, and then you're going to be. [SPEAKER_02]: You're throwing good money after bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's one and you're taking your dashing your own hopes. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're setting it up to be this success that it's just not going to be. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, you got to do, yeah, we're saying, yeah, we're saying the same thing. [SPEAKER_02]: So I keep doing the work. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I told you in the beginning of this, I have no problem doing the work.

[SPEAKER_02]: I somehow somewhere along the way convinced myself that the work was fun and cool and I love it and it's fun and I stay engaged in that. [SPEAKER_02]: I never tire of it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that makes me a simple ten or like a meathead card carrying member. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: But I do like that. [SPEAKER_02]: I do like in my head, tallying macros quickly and I'm probably way off, not ten percent.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably 30 percent off, you know, a head or behind who knows. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a little game I play and if that's what keeps me engaged, [SPEAKER_02]: Why wouldn't I want to stay engaged in my own development in my own improvement versus allowing myself to just slide down that hill that, you know, you said earlier, we're all sliding that, we're all, we're all gonna die, I get it. [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not going quietly.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am not, I am not, [SPEAKER_02]: just going to go, well, it's inevitable that I become fat and weak. [SPEAKER_02]: So, fuck it, I'm out today, I'll skip today, because I would be the fatest and the weakest within two weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I know how I could let it go. [SPEAKER_02]: If I let it go, the same way when I go all in, when I let it go, I'm letting it all go, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm not, [SPEAKER_02]: cutting my hair. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing anything good for me. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going hard the other way. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's ridiculous. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a ridiculous or what's maybe, but I know myself. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, and I want to be respectful of your time. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll let you go. [SPEAKER_00]: But I just think this is funny. [SPEAKER_00]: So I got divorced about three years ago. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it was the right thing to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're actually still good friends. [SPEAKER_00]: We're great at co-parenting. [SPEAKER_00]: We just weren't meant to be together romantically. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I looked around and, and, you know, I went and got coffee or beers with a couple of my buddies who had already been divorced and, you know, just kind of getting the lay of the land, right? [SPEAKER_00]: We'd been together for 16 years. [SPEAKER_00]: We'd been married for more than 13 years.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like, you know, and I, you know, never, never strayed, never cheated. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I, I'm walking out into the world as an individual human making my own decisions for the first time in a very long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I'm looking at my friends and I'm looking at the way they live their life and, you know, and I saw two kind of bifurcations and it was very clear there were the guys that kept their shit together and actually in some cases improve their lives they became more fit, more thoughtful, better at work, you know what I mean like they used the space that they got to improve themselves and then there was another group that can

[SPEAKER_00]: became complete, degenerate messes that could barely survive, could barely function like as if essentially their spouse had done where it was the only thing keeping them attached to the world. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think all of us to your point, we have this decision, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You can either be the guy or Dow, who says, [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck this entropy. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fighting this, like I'm gonna fight this. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna stay in shape.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna keep my shit together. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna not eat like a fool. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be the best version of myself or you can spin off the planet and just let life happen to you and it's a choice. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, look, I'm getting an answer. [SPEAKER_02]: I can feel it. [SPEAKER_02]: I think.

[SPEAKER_02]: I see those groups and I think it's our responsibility as a species and I've talked to my kids about this. [SPEAKER_02]: I go, I'm not smarter than you. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just older. [SPEAKER_02]: I just have more experience. [SPEAKER_02]: I said, if I if I watch a movie when I'm 30 and I see that the guy in the red hat is going to shoot the guy in the yellow hat and I say to you before it happens, [SPEAKER_02]: guy in the red hat's going to shoot that guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then it happens and you look at me like, oh my gosh, I'm so smart. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not smart. [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the movie. [SPEAKER_02]: So I say that to my kid all the time, a lot of things in life, you know, put your seatbelt on, don't do this. [SPEAKER_02]: The little things they go, I've just seen the movie, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So I've seen this movie when you come out of a relationship, everybody, [SPEAKER_02]: plays a part in the breakup, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Whether it's cheating, why did so and so she doesn't mean you you offload the blame, but it means what did you do? [SPEAKER_02]: Right? [SPEAKER_02]: What did what part did I play? [SPEAKER_02]: How can I be better in my next go round? [SPEAKER_02]: Whether your next go round is a, [SPEAKER_02]: is a fling, whether your next go round is a shorter term version of the first go round, hopefully as a species, we evolve and get better, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully you as a spouse, as a partner, whether you spouse up again or not, or you just become a partner, hopefully you get better. [SPEAKER_02]: So you go, what can I do to improve? [SPEAKER_02]: So the guys who beat like you say, just let it all go, [SPEAKER_02]: you're not, they're not helping themselves. [SPEAKER_02]: They're not evolving, right? [SPEAKER_02]: They're devolving. [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I think we should all evolve.

[SPEAKER_02]: Whether that means you do a complete 180 flip, you know, and you decide to drop all the weight and get your shit together and you quit drinking, you quit smoking, you take on a second job, you become a, [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you earn double whatever it is. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you have to do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you have to reinvent. [SPEAKER_00]: Although that would be the best way to get back at.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're feeling those, those negative feelings towards your former spouse, the best way to get back at them is not to send nasty text messages and emails and be an asshole. [SPEAKER_00]: The best way to get back at them is to become a high-producing, high-performing, fit individual who takes care of the children [SPEAKER_02]: that's the way, but it's what you should have done before. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't blame them if they're not having been that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it took whatever awakening, whether that was her dumping you, her cheating on you, you're getting fired. [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it was, that's what you should have done. [SPEAKER_02]: So you go, okay, but like fitness, and I bring it back to that, it's never too late, right? [SPEAKER_02]: They've [SPEAKER_02]: new muscle cell growth, but muscle cell hypertrophy the growth in size in 80 year olds at people at 100. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's never too late to start.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't I just saw a study this morning and said, if you're not in shape by the time you're 35, there's a x percent chance that you will never be in shape. [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, wow, that's super defeating. [SPEAKER_00]: That's mental. [SPEAKER_00]: I would love that to me. [SPEAKER_02]: That's like, agree. [SPEAKER_02]: That's psychological. [SPEAKER_02]: Physiologically, we know you can. [SPEAKER_02]: So to me, it's not well, this is how I am. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't change.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's just me that, you know, that's what I'm bringing to the table next time I have a partner. [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, no, then you're going to have a partner that's less than your original partner. [SPEAKER_02]: You have to try to be better. [SPEAKER_02]: You have to elevate the species. [SPEAKER_02]: I got to tell the kids. [SPEAKER_02]: You got to be better. [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be better than I am.

[SPEAKER_02]: I remember my, my now 26 year old, I said that to him once when he was about six in the bed, I said, Jack, you're going to be so much better than I am. [SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, I could never be better than you, Daddy. [SPEAKER_02]: I said, sweet boy, I'm figuring my way through life. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a dude. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a trainer.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a guy trying to contribute to the fitness landscape and help people find their way the way I found my way from a fat kid to this. [SPEAKER_02]: You are going to be better than I am. [SPEAKER_02]: And I will maintain that all my kids, my older kids, M.I.O. [SPEAKER_02]: and kids are all on the path to eclipse me, which is, in my opinion, as it should be, they should be better than I am.

[SPEAKER_02]: They should be, they should be smarter, they should have more deductive reasoning, they should have more the ability to be critical thinkers. [SPEAKER_02]: They have to, and with that, they should be able to find their path. [SPEAKER_02]: health and fitness, whether it's lifting weights and cardio, you know, meat has style the way I do or whether it's through different classes or different protocols or through different, um, the way I take my, my alpha gym and my protein shakes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I use my soul base your red light therapy and I use my caffeine and all this the way I do all my little things they're going to find their way and and I and I would bet on all of them they will find an efficient a more efficient way than I found and they will find a more productive way than I found. [SPEAKER_02]: because they've grown up differently than I am and they're processing and assessing information at a different rate. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's my job.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not going to pull my shoulder up, patting myself on the back, but I think they're good kids. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, that's my job as a dad is to raise them to be those kids. [SPEAKER_02]: So your buddies who, you know, you know, you know, you know, you [SPEAKER_02]: come out of that relationship and don't use their abilities to improve themselves for the next go round on the dating marriage cycle.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing themselves and their current offering or future offering, a massive disservice by not trying hard or fuck do try. [SPEAKER_02]: It's only you out there try. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if you failed because if you fail, you're going to fail upwards. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to wrap your respectful of your time and I'll leave you with this. [SPEAKER_00]: I put on this conference in 2018 at about 830 people in the room and I did the kick off, just kick off note.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the message was simply, it's cool to fucking care. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I hate this idea in our society. [SPEAKER_02]: I would be like this, and I would be like this in your throat. [SPEAKER_00]: that somehow like the really caring, like diving in, even to like nerdy shit, that somehow that's not cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, that day of like not going balls to the wall deep. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be Legos. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be Star Wars.

[SPEAKER_00]: It could be accounting. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be investing. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be startups. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be fitness. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be relationships. [SPEAKER_00]: It could be doesn't fucking matter what you're into. [SPEAKER_00]: But it is really cool and sexy. [SPEAKER_00]: to give a shit to go. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just going to say to you, the word I say to my little kids because they're just flirting with that word.

[SPEAKER_02]: I go, dude, it's sexy to try and go, yeah, you can't say that. [SPEAKER_02]: I go, no, no, no, it's sexy, which means it's like people see that and they go, I like that. [SPEAKER_02]: It is. [SPEAKER_02]: I go, people are drawn to people who try. [SPEAKER_02]: I would rather watch you attempt to pull that 500 and fail than sit over a nice dinner and a couple of cocktails and listen to you talk about how you decide to step away from that attempt at that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, oh my god, this pose. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So watch you do it and fail. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm high five and you all day long for that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Go on. [SPEAKER_00]: I could talk to you all day, man. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, dude, I know there's going to be a lot of people from the audience that want to go deeper into your world. [SPEAKER_00]: What are the best ways for them to do that? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm on Instagram at Gunner Fitness.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably it. [SPEAKER_02]: I try to put a people like you know, and you got to get your, what do they call it? [SPEAKER_02]: You got to get your, what's the word it? [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see Instagram from the, your engagement has to be, I go listen man, I post stuff that the people in my world like and the people who don't, that's okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, you know, you're not for everybody.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're polarizing and you're not polarizing because you try to be polarizing. [SPEAKER_02]: If you do that, that's as fake as the next guy, you just do what you like and tell me that's what social is about.

[SPEAKER_02]: I sat with a good friend of mine, Jen, we're strong who's a trader and and we have a podcast together and and we sat at a lecture, we sat at a sorenx summer strong conference years ago and the first three presenters at some point in their presentation bashed social media. [SPEAKER_02]: And I looked at her. [SPEAKER_02]: I said, the next time I do a presentation, I'm going to gas it up. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to talk about why social is cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't like it, here's the great thing. [SPEAKER_02]: It's voluntary. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to be on it. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to have the app. [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't have to go on the app. [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't have to like and you don't have to scroll and you don't have to post. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think not that I think you [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you use it as you're one and only source of education and opinions.

[SPEAKER_02]: I joke about that guy has a degree from Instagram University. [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think... [SPEAKER_02]: There are great things that come off of it. [SPEAKER_02]: Even if you just get to know somebody's sense of humor and you're like, I never knew that. [SPEAKER_02]: I never knew that he was funny like that, or I never knew that she goofed on herself that way. [SPEAKER_02]: Like those are, it's like we're all connecting on a different level.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if you look at the positive on that, it can be extremely positive. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you have to always, [SPEAKER_02]: go to the negative. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm on Instagram, a gunner fitness, and uh, and you're Ryan, you're awesome for having me on and for, for talk about it, and I like the way you're coming out this and dude, I am rooting for you when you pull that 500 all day long. [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the hell out of you, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, this has been tremendous, uh, guys. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll have, gunners, uh, linked in or Instagram, linked in the description where they're watching on YouTube or wherever you're listening scroll down. [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you guys for listening. [SPEAKER_00]: I love [SPEAKER_02]: And that's it!