The Perfectly On Time Films Of The Year 2021 Special w/ Nish Kumar • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #199

its themes and work it out. It's actually quite a complicated plots and the first time you sort of like what's going on, then you need to watch it again to go, oh no, really, it's about men and women in sort of sex with desire. It's quite a voyeuristic, quite strange study of sort of human sexuality. And anyway, wow, yeah, that is profound in Nias, that is a classic film, for sure, demands a rewatch, certainly, thank you. Every week I invite a special guest over, I tell them they've died.

Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. But this week it is the very special, very timely film of twenty twenty one Special with Nis Kumar Part two find out our top tens and all sorts of stuff. There's a Patreon to the show at patreon dot com forward slash Breck Goldstein, where you get extra long episode secrets from the guests and whole episodes uncutting hand free. You can check it out over at patreon dot com forward slash

Breck gold Steam. But this week I am including the Patreon section in the mains, because why not give you a treat every now and then? Jamine, lovely people, you're listening. I appreciate you. So this is it the second and last part of me and nis Kumar going over the films of the year twenty twenty one. I loved recording here. I love hanging out with this. He's fucking brilliant. Love recording these. Wish there were more years that we could do.

So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and ninety nine of Films to be Buried with. What was your most special experience watching a film this year? That year being of course, it's a film that I'm delighted to talk about because I think it's really really great and I hope more people go and see it. Black Bear, So last year, very kindly, the Glasgow Film Festival invited me to watch

another film that I really really loved, Minari. They were like, we're doing a virtual premiere, would you like to watch it? I said absolutely, I love watch Manari, absolutely loved it. The good thing. And this is a shameless plea to film distriviewers. If you give me one free thing, I

will almost certainly pay you money in something else. So having gone into the kind of online port which was really nice, it was nice that film festivals did this, and that's got a great job of like building an online film port so it felt like you were participating in a festival while we were all in lockdown. And so I watched the premiere of Minari. That was the

kind of opening night at the festival screening. And then I sort of scrolled down to the menu of films available and I saw a black bear and a huge aubruply a fan as every right thinking person should be. And I watched the trailer and I thought, oh, interesting, seems to be a bit more of a dramatic tone, but you know, she's still going to be funny in it.

And it's this done the other one. It seems to be this kind of fraught, almost like a play with three characters in it, and I didn't know anything else about it. It's quite it's a difficult film to talk about, and it's a difficult film specifically to talk about with

the experience of it. But the sheer thrill of realizing that you have no idea what this film is about to do to you and where the film is about to go, and the turn it takes halfway through, it made me feel so glad and excited, and it made me think, I fucking love movies, and I don't love I don't love movies. You know, there are things that films can do, and it isn't just about, you know,

a monster eating a building or something. There are things that films can do because they have a strict running time that a television series just can't do. And Black Bear is an example of something that cinema can do, which is completely flip the narrative, the structure and the

content of a film on its head. Halfway through, there's just a moment and again I wouldn't want to give too much away, but there's a moment where I suddenly realized I didn't know what this film was, and I've been watching it for half an hour, and it's a film about the act of filmmaking and storytelling, and there are times where I find that kind of meta commentary exhausting. But I think the reason that this film works, and

I think her performance is extraordinary. It's really two performances and they're both absolutely incredible, and I think it's such a wonderful sort of showcase for her as a performer, particularly because she really is in almost every frame of this film, and she has to do a lot, and she has to make us care about something that could easily have disappeared up its own ass and become essentially

an essay about storytelling. But the fact that it is something more visceral, I think is hugely because of her performance in it. And it just made me think, I just fucking love movies. You're a clever boy, aren't you a clever boy? He's right clever? This one I think as I had too, But I think the one they'll go because it was a very lovely thing, particularly because most people there hadn't been to the cinema in since the pandemic. And it was Brendan Hunt, who plays Coach Beard.

It was his partner's birthday, and we were in America's and there's a place called the Alami Drafthouse, which is a particular kind of cinema I always read about, an always dreamed to go into where they sort of have tables and service. You get service, which I'm not keen because I don't want to be interrupted, but anyway, at least it's a nice idea. And you know, they'd hired this small screen room for the day of West Side

Story where West Side Story came out. Wow, And so I don't know, forty of us went, and so it was her birthdays. That was nice. We were all together and we watched day one of West Side Story and what was particularly like it was a it was lovely all being together and having that experience. And then we all came out like dance, you know, doing impressions of jets why they walk? And then but like what was really funny, kind of funny about it is for some

reason everyone was skeptical about West Side Story. I've forgotten this, but everyone because the original is a near masterpiece and everyone loves it. And it was like, why is he making this? And then from the opening ten seconds of the film, You're like, oh, yeah, I've completely forgotten Steven spielwak is really good at banking films. He's oh, of course, he's one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. And

why on earth did we doubt this. It's such a good film, so well made, and the script I think is brilliant. I think all the updates they did to the script Tony Kushner did, I'm very smart, and it's just prettiant. It's a really, really, really good film and funny that we ever were worried that Steven Spielberg might not buy very good one, worried that it would be very good. Yeah, but also like I love I love what Spielberg has done with the Cush. Love the Kush. Yeah,

love the Cush. Yeah, I love love Lincoln, love Bridges, Spies, love Munich, love what and love the fan that he has this relationship with the Cush where he sort of goes and does you know, like ready play one or something, and then he cut and then he's like, Okay, now we get serious, a serious idea. Come on, come on, Cush, we got serious one brewing. No, no, no, it's not

it's not video game ship we're brewing a serious one. Cush, I've got another, another serious one, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can feel I can feel a serious one come and get ready, Cush get get the pen out, Cush, get the pen out, Coosh get their heavy pets. Spielbo's a serious one on the bro. So I didn't see what the point was of getting Cushioner to do. And again you're like, why would Tony Kushner do. Neither Tony

Cushioner nor Steven Spielberg needs to do this. As soon as you start watching, you like, the updates are so smart. It's great because you know, I love the original is incredible. It is incredible. It is great that they haven't just pop some boot polish on some Greeks. Yeah. It's really lovely. It really does. It really is lovely. It's really nice

to see Hispanic performers. Arianna Debose is great. I really love I Know You Know So Somewhere, which is like one of my least favorite songs in the show, which I always think is quite boring. Having Risomeranna sing it I thought was brilliant. It was so Yeah, it was just so good. And I also love the fact that Anita is the jugger for ladies. It's the part. It's the part you've got to play to women. Oscar you want to ask it? Are you a man? Pop yourself

in the okay? Are you a lady? Anita? Special shout out for Mike Faced, the leader of the Jets, who is fucking brilliant. And I don't the way he wasn't nominated for all sorts. Yes, yeah, he was great, so yeah, really really good. And Rachel Ziegler Zegler, Rachel Zegler, Ziegler, Rachel Zegler. Yeah, who is brilliant. And also they as they also got awards, give them all the awards. Yeah, I hope people watch it. I mean, the only thing that I would say is because it's now on Disney plus,

it's very available to people. But he's good watching at the cinema. That the opening shots, you know, the kind of there's like crane shots and you know, the all of the dance sequences, and it's yeah, that's great, that's very good. Steven Spielberg can make films, guys, He's quite good at directing films. So keep it anyway, keep an eye out for him. I think he is I'm really excited to see what he's going to do next. Black Bear and Steven Spielberg, what's the sexiest film of the

year twenty twenty one? Brett Here is something I never thought I would find myself saying. I never thought I wouldn't have the word sexy and Wes Anderson. But let me tell you, French Dispatch, you know very worthy, You're very clever, good old li as I do. She's a very attractive lady. And you know what do I like Brett A mean French lady, Just a mean French lady. Yeah, she's very sexy in it, and just a mean French lady. I liked it a lot. My sexiest film, I believe

is Driving My Car. In the first part of Driving My Car, the Husband and Way, there is a sexy scene of a sexual nature in which she tells him a story about being a lamp pre and yeah and sort of sort of is a lamp pre on him. And it's very sex very sexy, and it's very complicated because he's he knows she's having had an affair. Yeah, I hadn't said anything, and she's she's I mean, it's afraid. It's a great scene that's nothing about that. That's a

sexy scene, right, that's that's nothing troubling about that. Yeah, yes, she's a lamprey. I didn't know what I want, but then the film tells you so, and then you see, I didn't think that was troubling. A lovely, Yeah, lovely, sexy, sexy, lovely film. Now everyone's favorite category, traveling bone is worrying. Why don't You're always very good at this? So I'll tell you, Brett, I'll be frank with you. Christian Stewart as Diana. It's a movie, Spencer. Is a film about

a lady being sad. Yeah, I don't know what the film A lot of a film about sad lady. I don't know what to tell you. Princess Iano was a great beauty in my youth. I was very young. I was very young. I was She's a beautiful woman of my youth that before I really knew that I was attracted to people. She made a really impression on me. And Christian Stewart as Diana. It all worked for me, and I don't feel good about it. Okay, that's my quote for Spencer. It all worked for me, and I'm

feel good about it. You are very good at this question. Say what you like about this cool, Yes he does politics, Yes he's very clever, but he's very honest about a traubling boder. You can't take that away from him. Well done. That is a traveling worker, because there's also absolutely nothing in the film of a sexual nature. It's mostly a very unhappy woman's very stressed and believe it. So, yeah, all sorts of problems going on there this, and I'm glad we doubled up and you, true to form, did

your homework properly to get an A grade. I've got one trouble. It's not a troubling I was actually I've forgotten this one should have also been in the Sexy because there's nothing troubling about this. And then I'll give you the traveling wind. The film A Net. Have you seen a Net? It is the smart musical Leo Carricks, and it has Adam Driver and Money and Cuder and it's fucking brilliant and weird and mad and I really

loved it. And within it Adam Driver there's a duet between and Driver and Mary and katiad where he sings into her vagina whilst holding absolutely nothing to talking about it. He sings, and what he's singing is we love each other so much, lovely, nothing nothing more romantic then singing into a woman's vagina. We love each other so much. And for me that was not only the most romantic moment in film, but also the sexiest and worth watching.

Just is that? Is that the best bit of the film. No, there's even more to see, And this is what you're offering as a troubling boler Brett. I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm not. Then then I would, then I would put the entire film to Tane. Yeah, now we're talking. Now we're talking. Now Muhammad Ali has come up against Joe Frazier as opposed to about Hammad Ali fighting a literal baby. Now

we're talking. Titane a French film where a woman has sex with a car on a car and through a car and becomes a car and it sort of gets off with someone that could be her dad and kills lots of it's I mean, it is one. The film could also be called traveling bone Air with Yeah, it is the traveling bon Air, say say Raymond, Traveling a very traveling boner of a film from from from start to finish and a very good film, Yeah, very good, but and gleeful in its embrace of its troubling bone

status as well. It's screaming from the rooftops. Yeah, it's saying come on in loose fitting. I think I remember s being a picture like the script, this sort of an image from the film of her like in a bikini, sort of riding on a car when it when it was released, it can and I remember clearly seeing that origin going that's troubling bonus or not since Cameron Diaz in The Counselor, has someone, yeah, really gone for it with a car? That's your double feature greatest programming season.

You should program a series of Troubling Bonus if you could double program The Counselor and to ten, what is the greatest film? Maybe not your favorite, but the way you think it's the greatest is so hard for me. For me, Brett, it's a it's a tough one. It's a tough one for me. It's potentially drive my car, Okay, I mean, but it's a It's a hard one to pick because again, as always, which stuck between great and favorite and which one to be distinguished between the two

of them. I'll tell you what, I'll safe drive my car for favorite. I've just said it now, but I'll set up the greatest film. I'll say petite Mamo. There's see Chiama movie, which good choice? I I just thought, what extraordinary film couldn't be more different in so many ways from Portrait of a Woman on Fire. I just thought that it also seventy minutes. It's only seventy minutes,

and so much gets covered in it. And I mean it's presented through the eyes of a child who thinks that while she's staying, she thinks she's made a friend. There is an element that this friend may be a ghost, it may be a memory that's been brought to life. It gets into stuff like wouldn't we all like to meet our parents as young people, to see what they were like and how they became the people that they

had wanted to become. So there's a kind of wish fulfillment that I think every child goes through at some point in their adolescence. It's a beautiful film about grief. It's a beautiful film about mothers, but it's a beautiful film about kids interacting with each other. And the kids are great and it's fun watching them muck around with each other, so there's a real like joy and playfulness

to it. It also features I think probably one of the single heaviest exchanges of dialogue I've ever seen in a film, So for all there's like real beauty and there's warmth and real likeness to it. There's a point where a child is saying to a mother of their recently died grandmother. She says, the last goodbye wasn't good because I didn't know, and the mother says she didn't know either, and then the kid says, we can't know, and then the mother says, you're right, we can't know.

And I remember watching that at the cinema thinking, well, mercy by Coops Alene, I'm going to go and think about that for the rest of my fucking life. We can't we can't know. Awful, awful. But what a beautiful father lines yea truly truly a parent's double bill, the Father and Petit Mammal. But what a beautiful film, and what a lovely piece of you know, a ghost story that's also a family drama, and just what what a beautiful piece of work. There's a really really good thing

about it. Like I was thinking as a as a lesson for writers and directions to the idea of people being nice to each other. You hear lots of people say what makes me cry as people being kind to each other rather than yeah, tragedy or whatever, you know, sad things you go there's there's just a thing that tells Spider Man, those are the people being nice to

each other, cruel Spider Man's yeah. But the opening of the film tells you so much about this kid and she's she says goodbye to everyone in the care home as she leaves, and then you're on the mum who is driving the car, and there's no dialogue, really, I don't think, and this hand keeps coming to frame from the back seat and the kid is just handing sweets to the mum like hands are sweet and then sweet and it's such a just a good bit of storytelling

and tells you about the character like it's kind of funny and it's very very sweet, and the kid knows that the mum is sad and it's hurling to the mom. It tells you so much in just one shot. It's fucking brilliant, great, great, and it's all from the kids perspective as well, and so you don't you sort of lose that, you know, the mom kind of disappears because she's going she's working her own stuff out anyway, beautiful.

What was the ar greatest film? I got? Three song gonna make one of my favorites, So let's say that special mentioned very close was the Power of the Dog to really loved It's proper. Film felt like a book. Film that felt like a book, like, you know, it felt like a novel, really developed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you say novelistic is very different from quotes. It felt like a book, like a book. Oh god, everyone was talking to what is this a book? It felt

like so many words? Really good, really good film? You liked it? No, I just felt I felt all of those things as I was watching it, whereas like good good stuff, good stuff stuff in that way where you're like sort of secretly not really connecting with the movie, and then it ends, and then it ends and you go, fuck, yeah, Campion, you little piece of shit. You've done it, Like yeah, it's it is so good. It is because it just

puts the whole film into a completely different perspective. I saw it without really knowing too much about it a gain, which I think is it is a good movie. But it is a good movie for not knowing a huge amount going in. I thought it was great, Yes, very good film. It's a very late contender. I saw it very late, and I put off seeing it because I will say, hand on heart, it sounded boring it. I thought that's going to be a heavy, boring film, and

I put off singing it couldn't quite understand anyway. The film is passing and I think it's fucking brilliant and it's quite late, and I was like, oh, this is an amazing film. This is an excellent film, and why haven't we been talking about it? It's so stylish. It is directed by Rebecca Hooll. It is in black and white. It is about two old friends, both black, but one of them is passing for white and she bumps into her friend. And it is very what's the word ambiguous?

There's so much ambiguity going on. There's an awful lot that is unsaid. There is so much too that is about what is not being said. It's about longing. There's a thing that Tessa Thompson does again. This is another example of there was a lot of talk of Ruth Nagger in the other role. It's like, Oh, she's amazing, She's amazing, and she is amazing, But I think there wasn't enough to talk about Tessa Thompson, who because she's doing the quiet performance. But what Jesse Thompson is doing

for most of the film is watching. She's we are watching her watch, and she's fucking brilliant. And the film has so many things to say. It says very subtly. It leaves you with a lot to question. It's kind of so much about longing from every angle. It's about longing and belonging and this idea of wanting something to be a way that it isn't and being proud of

something else. I think it's really good, and it stayed with me much longer than a film that I really liked when I saw it and haven't thought about since The passing I'm about and that's why I'm like, I think that might be my word, and because it's so kind of small it's at nineteen minutes, I think, but very ambitious and so stylish, and the acting is very stylized. Everything about it's stylized, but not in a way that's shit. It feels like an old film. It's really good thoughts.

Absolutely agree. I wish that I had seen it in the cinema. I would say, of course, you know, which is true of everything. But very beautifully photographed, and it would have been nice to see. And the music or the music a film fell in love with the music. Listen to it, but for walks listening to that music. Great film, yeah, yeah, good film. Well done, Rebecca Holly, Rebecca, well done, because that's a really good film. I called it the greatest. Am I mad he does. We'll find out.

So while we're here, what's the We don't like to be negative. I really don't like to be negative. I do have an answer. I guess we'll do it. What's the worst film? Let me tell you something. It gives me absolutely no pleasure to say this, and I think it surprised me. But I really did not like The Suicide Squad at all, the new version of Suicide Squad. And that surprised me a lot, because I really like James Gunn a lot, and denied like comic book films,

I like the conceit of the Suicide Squad. I just thought that this film. I felt that it was too self consciously trying to distance itself from superhero movies. By it just felt like watching somebody every so often go does that offend you? Are you shocked by that this bloke just got eaten by a shark? Does that shock you? I just felt that it was it sort of. I felt that the entire enterprise collapsed under the weight of its desire to subvert your expectations of a comic book

film at the expense of just doing a film. It's sort of full of charismatic actors, but none of that came through. I thought it was boring, which I think is sort of unforgivable for those films. And maybe maybe also I am just oversaturated with comic book films and this was the one that tipped me over the age. So I'm also open to the idea because I know everyone else I know like this movie, and I wonder whether I've just whether I've just been overexposed to them.

But I just felt that it was it was trying a little bit too hard to buck the conventions around it, and you know, just somebody just saying fuck is not a joke? Like it reminded me of watching and doing very much better career and that Harry, it's charming when

you do it. I thought that it was. It reminded me of stand up sets that I have watched and done as a young comedian, where you sort of forget that actually have to write jokes and it's not just enough to go, oh, p dost you you walking on stage at the playhouse and going, I guarantee you that's a fucking audience laugh. You don't get it at all?

That is funny. Peter's Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm perfectly willing to accept that it might just be that I've oversaturated, and I'm very excited for Guns of the Galaxy three. I like James Gunn a lot. I think that this one, I just think that maybe I just think that maybe everybody just needs to just take a chill pill and maybe just he's up on the old comic else. I think I think he's It was fun, And I do like James gun and he likes violence a lot more

than I like violence. But at least when I watch his violence, I go, well, you're taking so much joy in this film. Yeah, yeah, it's clearly clearly really having fun, and it does to play even to someone who doesn't like seeing people will be hurt. It's like, well, you're having a lot of funnier. Yeah, there's always joy in his films and whatever. My worst film, I hate to

say that. I love everyone about blah blah blah and this is Me, This is me, this House of Gucci, which was one of the hardest films to get through. But how can you said that this was a bad feeling? But I didn't understand. Yeah, I didn't understand. I was like, what, listen, here's the thing. This is why it's odd that this should be my most film. I love weird, mad films. I love a film that is weird and mad and has a Gucci. It's definitely weird and mad, but it's

also fucking boring, and that to make it. To make a film that weird and mad that is boring is sort of something's gone wrong, because it should just be like wow, I don't know what anyone is doing or what this is. Yeah, you know what the tone of this is. I don't get it. I don't get the characters. The characters changed, you know, I don't drive a suddenly

it's a completely different character forty minutes in. I don't understand anything that is happening, and everyone's being very weird, and it feels like I believe the word is camp, but I've never fully understood the where I use it, but as in it kind of feels deliberately bad, like there's something yeah, right right, kind of what is it? Is it camp? Like it's sort of shit. It's kind of like it's deliberately You can you can easily conceive of a version of that film that's great and was

directed by John Waters. Yes, yes, exactly, so it's got that, but then it's also goes on forever. I guess if I guess if i'd known what the ending was like, that that's where it was heading to, maybe that would have helped, because that would have been like, oh, when's that thing? And happened? Because I didn't know anything about it, I was just like, fucking hell now more. Now she's joining up with this fucking guy. And I thought I

shouldn't say this. I won't say who or what. There's two characters in it that I thought were played by the same actor, and one of them was a boy and one of them was a girl. And I thought someone's in prosthetics playing this other character. What do you think it was like the clumps, Yeah, which packed me up for a bit. I was like, Okay, this has gone really mad, and then I found out that it

was actually just a different actor. It's I don't But I also was like, maybe if you're into fashion and I don't know, maybe that's why I don't want to say I'm in the wrong here. I didn't get it, but I'm so bored not getting it. Sometimes I don't mind not getting it if I'm like that was just wild, but this was like, yeah, fucking out two and a half hours, get on with it. I don't know what's

going on. I think you have to. I think he's fine to put all the caveats in, but I definitely think if there's a point where, especially someone who watches films in as closer detail as you thinks, two characters are being played by the same actor, like Eddie Murphy in The Nighty Professor, that is a failure of the filmmaking.

I really thought, oh, okay, so that's the twist, like it's their brother and sister, but they were two different You're watching it hoping for a norbit and being disappointed when you don't get one. What's the funniest film of the year. I think that there are sort of probably two answers to that question. I think in terms of the film that made me laugh the most, it would probably be Bar and Stargo to Vista del mart which is I have subsequently discovered somewhat of a divisive film conversation,

I think collecting the anecdotes conversationally. But I thought it was really I could have watched Annie Mumolow and Christen Wigg do that for hours and hours and hours. Reba McIntire turns up as a mermaid, Jamie Dornan singing a

sort of Jamie Dornan's fucking great in it. It's just the opening sequence with that little kid doing his paper around is It's just it reminded me of even though this one, in spite of Christen Wig's background, was not based on an S and L sketch, it reminded me of something like a Waynes World, where it's a sort of character beat that's been pulled out and done for two hours, and I was absolutely delighted by it. I think probably the best comedy film of the year is

probably Palm Springs. Yeah, I think that that was Springs. Yeah, I think that was probably I thought I just I thought that was a really you know again, it's like, how do you spin a ground It's funny to me that groundhog Day is now a genre of film. Yeah, Like it is really interesting that, you know, because there's the Happy death Day and Happy Thansday to You, which I'm moving a huge fan of both of those movies.

It's very fun that groundhog Day a film has now just become a genre of movie and we do just call it a groundhog day, you know, it's like it's a groundhog day. But I thought that in the context of that, I thought it was spun out very nicely. I think Christine him a lot is great. I think Andy Soundberg is absolutely brilliant. I just think he's great. And I just think I really hope people sort of

did get into this movie. I believe it seemed like a lot of people watched it, and especially because it came out here during another lockdown, that idea of the grinding repetition of waking up in the same place, like, it felt like it had an extra resonance for people. But I do think it's really good. I love home screens and I'm glad you brought it up because I would if you hadn't. I think it's brilliant. I wanted to give a special shout out to Free Gay. Yeah,

but so is that your answer? It's free That is not my answer. That's my funniest film, which is really surprising. Didn't expect it to be as funny as it is Riders of Justice, which is right Danish film with Mad's Mickelson, and it's fucking funny. It's really really funny laughs per per minute. That's the film. Yeah. And it's deep and it's serious and it's everything and it's definitely worth seeing.

It's a very interesting film, but proper, proper funny and maybe very maybe funny because you're not expecting it to be such a comedy because it is a drama. But you know, big laughs in that one. It's the opposite of it's the opposite of another round and like the other great Mad's mikels a movie of the year, yeah, which you know it's like start off, well, it's a comedy. Yeah,

it's a comedy. Prop I think the great thing about that movie is I would love to like just read the like seat like get the beach sheet of the scene by scene, because I think it perfectly mirrors the arc of a heavy night out. Because it starts out really fun, really exciting, it gets more fun, really exciting, and then slowly it just gets darker and darker. Yes, that's true. That film is the per effect the experience of a night of heavy drinking. Let's do a Patreon section.

Fuck it, here we go. Doo doo doo doo doo. Welcome to the Patrion section. You again, come on in, thanks for the extra money. Patriot. Tell us a secret, tell us a fucking secret. Oh, it's quite scary in the Patroon. It's quite scary of the Patreon. I mean, listen, My secret, which I don't think I even told you, is that I woke up in the middle of the the night to see if you'd won an Emmy. A genuinely

true I like got up on that specific name, specific night. Yeah, yeah, every night on that specific night, I had gone to sleep, and my body woke me up with a start and was like, have a little look. And I had a little look and he'd won an Emmy And it was great, and it was absolutely great, and I do not regret it.

In what the interrupted night sleep in any way, shape or form your body was like Sundy, Yeah, I think it was because I was really thinking about it before I went to bed, Like I was really being like God, record winning it like record winning and Emmy tonight, and you're very sweet and that's why I've had to me and and so I think that's why my my brain popped up. I mean, take from this what you will.

But I also had the very similar emotional experience around Paul Thomas Anderson winning Best Original Screenplay because I thought that was going to happen, So my body also won't be up. Fortunately, it won't be up just after Will Smith and slap Chris Rock. So I did get to see the fallout of that in the room anyway. No what, I woke up literally after it happened. So shifty. Yeah,

why really bad? You know what I mean? If you've been to enough gigs where at points you are the cause of said atmosphere, even on the Telly, you could go, something's really off. Yeah, yeah, you're really good? You know what is here? We go? Some good good ones here? I've got what about you? What's the best good ones? Opening to a film? This year? Three words, Brett, three words drive my Car, because the opening of Driving My Car is a whole film that happens for forty minutes.

You were talking, Yeah, that happens for forty minutes, and then the opening credits appear, and I watched it in it completely I think almost sold out screening at the Prince Charles and people laugh at the sheer audacity of having the credits appear at forty minutes, and I thought it was just absolutely brilliant. Just what's your what's your best? My best opening? I've realized that nearly I think all of my answers to these are musical based. My best

opening is a net. Net starts similar to the film Jesus Christ Superstar in a way. I was just realizing that a net starts with it goes, may we start, May we Start, and you're in a studio in a

music studio, and a gooes, so may we start? And then this song begin, and the song that pretty much repeats the lyric may we start, May we Start, And then the actors from the film appear, and then it's all sort of done in one take, and then the camera goes out into the street, and then the cast and crew of a net appear and then may we start,

May we start? May we start the film And the lyrics are sort of very aware and they go, you know, we're nervous and we haven't got enough budget, but may we start and building and building, and then and driver gets on his motorbike like spy to his friends in the cards, like I'm off to start the film. He and he goes off and it's fucking great love. That's a good actor. That best set piece in a film, not at the beginning of the ending suwhere in the middle,

what are you gonna go forth? Can I have two yes? One is the I Am a revolutionary scene from Dude to Black Messiah. Oh you know what? And I'm a classic film that came out very early in the year in the UK and got left off a lot of

best of the list. Fucking great movie and that speech. Yeah, And I've heard a story of like Dankalio doing that when they went to get financing for the film, I believe, and he did that in the room and they went take all that manage like yeah, yeah, he is fucking brilliant, and that scene is yeah, like you are completely swept having at you as audience are like yes, I yeah,

like yeah, yeah, it's fucking brilliant. It's that thing where like it's the hardest thing when you know when you're watching something, when you're watching something happen that's supposed to be people reacting to either phenomenal charisma or even singing talent anything like that, it's such a difficult thing because you're supposed to you know, you completely reliant on the

performance in that moment. You know, there's nothing you can do, there's nothing even like you can definitely enhance it with the filmmaking, but there is something about you can't fake that level of charisma. It's incredible. And you know, Fred Hampton is like at twenty three, I think, you know, he's this prodigious talent who was so smart and so driven and had so many important significant ideas about race and economics, but was also this incredible communicator. And I mean,

it's that scene is Wolf. What is my other My other favorite set piece is last Night in Soho the yes middle, the sequence when she goes to sleep for the first time and is taken back in time and it happens in one shot and there is a dance that happens where within the camera special effects wise, no special effects, as in it all happened live. The actors

switch as they spun around on the dance floor. They switch in and out, and it reminded me of seeing Our House, my favorite show, with the way they did quick changes with casting that. I love that sort of thing. And it's so thrilling that whole sequence of her going back in time on this young long steady can with and there's that nice shot of her walking down yeah, downstairs, and it's the reflection Yeah, as a as a set piece, just that sequence alone, I was like, that is the

best thing Edge writes done. I think that that piece is fucking brilliant. You could watch it a hundred times. Is still and I've watched the thing where he explains how they did it, and I still don't. It's like watching Penantelic because you're like, yeah, you say that, but how the fuck do you do that? You know what

I mean? It's really good. And also I think there's something magical about you're watching something live basically because the camera person is having to be part of this dance, the actors, everyone has to do their bit at exactly the right moment with everything has to be perfect for a shot like that to work, and so there's something thrilling about it. You experience that that's something that's hard to capture, the thrill of live performance. You sort of get a feel for it in that shot. I think

maybe that's what makes it so exciting. Yeah, what's your best set piece? Well if it still feels cheap to call this a set piece in a way, but it's the bit in Summer of Soul. Yeah, yeah, it feels

weird to call it a set piece. But it's when Mahaila Jackson invites Maybe's Staples on stage to sing Martin Luther King's favorite Him, to sing the him that Martin Luther King and Jesse Jackson comes out and tells the story of doctor King, suggesting that they play a precious Lord take my hand the moment before he is shot dead. And then and so like that, you know that's enough, like that, like already this is the most extraordinary piece

of footage you've ever seen. But then Mahla Jackson comes on stage and then you hear Maybe's Staples talk about how she idolizes Mahaila Jackson, and then Mayla Jackson invites says that she's not feeling and you can see her sort of talking to Staples on stage. But you're hearing all of this in movies. It was recounting of it.

So there's that double thrill of watching it and having somebody reflect on it and their emotional state as it's happening, you know, like everybody's because j Jackson has just described Miley the King's death. He uses the phrase the bullet had severed despite you know, it's so visceral, and then Maila Jackson says that she's just isn't feeling up to it.

It's this feels like it might also be this kind of passing at the torch moment, and it's lovely because maybe Staples, it's her hero is asking her to come and perform, so it's all so loaded. And then maybe Saples and Mila Jackson singing Precious Little Take My Hand is just just I couldn't believe what I was watching.

I just couldn't believe what I was watching. One of the most fortunate things in a fairly I think we would say incredibly fortunate life is I saw maybe Staples sing live, I saw her do the way live in like in a television studio and voice is just it just cuts right through you, and the film catches that incredibly and so just just as the performance that Mahela Jackson mos stables to do is extraordinary enough, but the circumstances and the preamble by Jesse Jackson, I mean, it's

the most extraordinary thing I saw in any film last year. Excellent answer, excellent. Every minute of that film is just like, ah, yes, it's unbelievable, Yeah, unbelievable that the answer to that question could have been about five sequences, all from some result. Because I also think the bit when he sees Stevie Wonder, he's sort of playing his old stuff, but he's plugged the wah wah pedal into the electric keyboard, into the electric piano, and you go, oh, he's discovered the sound

of superstition. He doesn't know it yet. Like you're watching somebody, you very rarely get to see a talent in midstep, like you either see that you either have the footage of the early stage or you have the complete thing. And what you're watching is Stevie Wonder like about to discover talking book songs in the Key of Life. You're seeing somebody as they're stepping into a whole different phase of their creativity. You know that whole movie is I

believe it's very good. What is the best ending closing sequence to a film? Anyway? It had to be part of the dog for me, just because again I watched it, felt that I was watching a very well made thing, felt the acting was lovely, felt that it was really all well mounted, but wasn't necessarily hitting me on a visceral level. Then the film ends, you realize you've watched a completely different film. It completely hoodwinked me, and I

just thought it was extraordinary. I just you know, I thought it was great and you know what, really brilliant ending. But the first line of the film tells you how the film was going away and I somehow missed it and it played a trick on me. Great to see Cumbers doing some full because I mean, he's done Sherlotte, magic Sherlock, racist Sherlock. He's you know, do you know what I mean? Like racist Sherlock, Dominic Cummings. I think we probably have to whack it allegedly on there. Okay, well,

let me bree phrases. We've seen cuvers We've seen Cuvers do Sherlock. We see him do dogs a strange magic Sherlock. We see him do Dominic Cummings Brexit Sherlock. We've seen him do even his Alan turing his computer Sherlock. But like when you the courier spy Sherlock, but para the dock that dude, I mean that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But it was great because he didn't all of his stuff was all of his Sherlocky Sherlock is ms were all turned off. He was. I mean, man, that's a

hell of a performance. But they I mean they're you know, cust and Dunce, Jesse Pleman's Cody smithment feed. They're all extraordinary. But yeah, the ending just completely changes the complexion of the movie and cover batches sucking incredible. What's my best ending is Another Round, Another Round? Oh yes, yeah, and again it's a musical way. It makes you think perhaps I just like things with songs in but it is,

it's like a book with songs. But the end of Another Round, Another Round is such an interesting film because if you don't know what's bad, it's about a group of middle aged men sort of having a middle crisis who decide to do an experiment to be a little bit drunk all the time. And it is like a sort of high concept comment that you can see a

sort of Will Ferrell version of that film. It's really hard to wa Yeah, it's actually quite subdued and melancholy, and what is odd about it is it's also fairly ambiguous. Like it also you would assume it's also it's an anti alcohol film, and it isn't. Really. It's sort of kind of guys, yeah and no, it doesn't really come

down either way. And then this end, which is Mad's Michelson dancing dancing at a graduation as sort of aroundsom kids who are graduating and just kind of drinking again and having an amazing dance and then jumping in the city. It's fucking great, and it's all, what does it mean? What does any of it mean? There's a very sad I'm sure you know this, but the director's daughter very sadly died like three days into filming that film, and they know they stopped filming for a good few months

and then came back together to do it. And I think maybe this is just reading stuff into it, but that sense of kind of sadness and melancholy is all over the film, And I don't know if the film would have been the same had that not happened. Maybe the original was much more raucous. And I don't know, I really don't know. That's all. It's all guesswork in it. But it's quite a lovely, odd film. It never around

and that ending is great. But it's sort of like all of our relationship if you're if you're not teetotal, it's sort of is your relationship with alcohol really is that?

If you'll neither teetotal nor an alcoholic, your relationship with alcohol is you sort of just keep doing it, and as you get older and older you realize it's a bad thing, but you still keep doing it, you know, like that's that, And you watch it, you sort of if you're fortunate enough not to have addition problems yourself, you will, you just won't avoid seeing firsthand how it destroyed.

And it does, you know, it does consume one of the characters in the film, and it does kill him in the end, and but mad te Mickelson at the end is back drinking, and that's It's difficult because it just is a lot of us done the way that we've lived. Do you want do your top ten? There? What do you do? Top ten? Top ten? Yeah? Yeah, I've got my top ten. Can we have eleven? Yeah? Go for it. You go first, Okay, I'll try and

make a ten, but it depends on what your tender. Well, okay, I'll do ten, and then if if you feel that we have to have a bonus eleventh, I will also add a bonus eleventh. So my top ten number ten, Spider Man, No Way Home, number nine, Summer of Soul number eight, Black Bear number seven, The Father number six, Power of the Dog Please number five, Judas and the Black Messire number four, number four, Minari Yeah, number three, Pettit Mammal number two come on, come on, and number

one drive my car. Fascinating list. Do you think it's interesting we haven't talked about it. Why is no mad Land not on that list? I am very interested in having this conversation. One, it is very interesting that nomad Land is not, and I do think nomad Land is a good move. It's very interesting because also we haven't actually ended up talking about the last two Best Picture winners, and they were both twenty twenty one releases. So Nomad

Land and Coda. So Coda, which one the twenty twenty two Best Picturosca, was also a twenty twenty one release. And yeah, and I mean, the thing that I would

say about Coda is it's very well performed. It sort of feels like a film from the nineteen nineties, you know, in the way that it feels like it has story beats from a kind of nineteen nineties movie, and it reminded me of its structurally is quite similar to Bend It, like Beckham, and I thought that with a lot, as with a lot of that movie, it was we want. I wanted to stay with the death performance because I thought they were the really interesting thing in that film.

And actually, when she's singing in the school, you're like, oh, you know, I can't be bothered with it, you know, like the mom and dad and the dynamic between her and the mom and dad is the interesting thing in that movie. And every time we pull away from it, we're back in quite a boring nineties high school movie. But with No mad Land, I mean, I thought it was really good. I thought No mad Land was really good. But for whatever reason, and maybe it's suffered from the

fact that because it's so beautifully photographed. Maybe it's suffered from the fact that I didn't see it in the cinema, and that's maybe White Hand stayed with me in the same way. But I did think it was a really good movie. It was just a very strong year for films. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna put I think that Land is

great again. It's a film that isn't quite the film I expected it to be, as in a sort of thought it would be more depressing than it is, and it's yeah, lovely again and has sort of quit and

she's she's just got very mischievous on screen presence. Yeah, you know, like this, so it and it does stop it from becoming just a sort of it could be quite one note and quite miserable, but she it would definitely be my eleventh movie, and it does just I do think that it I do think that it isn't as miserable as it could have been, because I think Francis McDorman really just is just has this kind of

very cheeky energy. This is a nightmare, isn't it. Looking at my list, I wanted Manari on it, and I don't have it because at least had Manari, so at least we've acknowledged. Yeah, well, we're all like Manari, all right. Manari is very good, really great, great great kid. Another great kid performance, great kid. You don't act like a real grandma. I really liked that film, and I really you know what else I really like in that film. I liked and I don't know how they did it.

Seeing the farm grow over the course of yea, the actual sort of mechanics of the farm. Yeah, I like all that stuff. And when you talk about a really really amazing analogy, like the idea of the Manari, the weed that you can sort of plant anywhere and it will grow as a kind of metaphor for immigrant communities, it is really beautiful and really really lovely. Yeah, I'm putting that. I'm putting that back in now. Okay, then I've lost No mad Land. Look, I really like No

man Lad. I think it's great, right, Sorry, it's normal. Yeah, we'd love Love Mad Lad. We love No We love No man Lad. I don't know why we're making sense to think of it. We love No Mad Lad. It's just there are other films we also love. All right, I'm not sure about this order all right at eleven, Minari at ten a Net at nine, Summer of Soul. I'm not sure about this. Have I missed something? Hang on, what how have I done for eleven? At eight eight

Pig Yeah? At seven, The Lost Daughter, which we haven't talked about. Yeah, we'll talk about that actually, at six, Petty Mammon at five, West Side Story at four, Power of the Dog, at three, Judas in The Black Messire at two promising young women, and at one passing difficult Decisions. I'm not even sure about any of him anymore. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I'm not sure we've had a year. I guess it's testament to how many good movies came

out in twenty twenty one. But I'm not sure we've had a year where our number one films weren't in each other's list at all. The Lost Daughter, let's briefly talk about it. You've seen it, No, tell me about it? Well, another similar to Tessa Thompson in Passing a Now the great bit of a character watching so much of the film as Olivia Colman watching this other family and why the Lost One of the reasons Last Day is great is because you don't see characters like this in films.

She's a very tricky, unlikable, difficult character. And there's a moment in it that maybe would be in my horror where is so shocking and it's such a small kind of social thing that I was just like, oh my god, this is the most disturbing thing. Where Olivia Colman's on the sunland just she's on other day and this family turned up, this quite noisy family. She's sort of on her own on this beach. There's noisy family turn up on their holiday and they're like setting up deck chairs

and they're having it's clearly a birthday. And one of them comes over to a livy hum and says, would you mind we're all together? Would it be possible for you to move to that deck? You know that deck? Yea, then we can all be together. And the livhumba says, now, I don't want to move, and it's so like you're like, oh my god, what are you doing? Just move and they and the person goes, oh, you know, it just

it's just because we're all together. It be because I don't want to move, and it's so tense and you're like, just fucking move. Oh my God, why are you fighting this? That's the most stressful scene in cinema history. It's a British nightmare. It's a British nightmare. Just get off the fucking sad Langer. Anyway, that's a very interesting film and it and again I would compare it weirdly to like uncut gems where you're I'm god jabs, where you're likes

like I haven't. I haven't seen a film with these sort of characters in, you know what I mean, Like, even if you're not like on board on side with them, you guys, this is this is this is like, this is These people are in the world and we don't see them in. It's a very interesting film. I'm good. I like it anyway. Anything else we haven't discussed I feel very strongly about. I actually rewatched Drive My Car to make sure that it was number one. It's number one, baby.

It did a lot of stuff to me. That movie. Like it. For whatever reason, he did a thing that I really like that I think we talked about a few years ago, whenever we talked about the Portrait of a Woman on Fire, the idea of like reclaiming high art from being something really boring because like, I studied check Off at university and I was bored as hell by it. And the first thing that I thought when I came out of this movie is I got to read some check Off because that that guy knew some

shit it. But I just found I found the restraint in all of the characters incredibly moving. I thought that there was a there's a sequence where there's a mute character in the film through he casts in his play, and there's a scene where they just go and have a nice dinner at her and her husband's house, and it's and the girl who is driving him around. You know, he doesn't want to be driven. She's driving him around.

He's grieving his last wife, who dies in the first forty minute short film that starts the film, and she's just playing with a dog and it's just a really nice, sweet scene in the middle of the film. But what

I felt was incredibly depressing film. There is something very hopeful and beautiful about the ending of that movie, and the idea that you could sort of love somebody even though you didn't really know parts of their character, and that sometimes you have to forgive yourself for doing things that you did to survive of a particular situation, and then that that kind of last monologue that precedes the code or of the movie, you know, the final monologue

of his kind of rewritten version of Uncle Vanya. I just think he's one of the most moving things I've ever seen in a film, and it's delivered by the mute character in sign language, and that it's it's it's. I thought, it's just a show stopper of a moment. And this idea, this line, the line where she says we've lived through the long, long days. I just think that there was something so beautiful and optimistic, but real, realistic optimism, you know, an optimism that understands that things

are going to happen. People are going to let you down. You're going to let people down. There are moments that you're not going to be able to reason with the things that have happened to you and to people around you. But you know, it's just an unlikely moment of union between two very different in films, because ultimately, the message of driving my car and the message of come on, come on, is whatever happens sometimes you do just have to come on, come on and live through the long

long days. And I think there's something so really, really beautiful about a film that is about such messy and complicated characters who choose optimism, and the way that it's expressed is so beautiful, cinematic, and you know, in complete silence, you're just watching sign language. It's I just thought it was extraordinary, just absolutely flawed me, you know it was.

It was just a sort of gut punch of a film at the end, you know, to choose to be hopeful just feels like such a something so radical after what the characters have been put through. That movie. Very good, You're very good. You're very good. Yeah, I mean it's way, it's way, it's way. You keep coming back, keep coming back. It works if you work it. What is what is your favorite film? Has to be drug Buck? What's your favorite film? Don't know? Anyway, I think it's promising young women.

But I like all the films that we've talked about. So let's say, you know, I get I get the sort of I understand that there are like real concerns and stuff going straight to streaming and you know, some non franchise or non action movies, you know, being I understand there are very legitimate reasons to be concerned about the future of cinema, but like, definitely when you look at the films that came out in twenty one, like, oh, the quality of the films is definitely not the issue here,

you know, like the quality and variety of films being made. Yeah, it's distribution and it's it's getting people to see them. But like people are making such like cool and interesting and varied stuff. You've been wonderful as always. Now when you complimented me on winning an award and I checked you to death with my bare hands and then just he choked it till he died because I couldn't take it. And then I was stood right there and I had a coffin with me, you know, I'm like and I

was like, oh, I've just killed it. I sort of came out of the fog. Why did I kill I love this? Why I did I remember? Oh, yeah, he tried to say something nice to me. I don't regret it. And I stuff you in the in the coffin that I had with me. Anyway, I mean, that should have been a warning so I don't start trying to say something nice to me. I'm carrying a coffin, but you in smash. You all in there, and there's more than

I was expecting. I don't know why because I hadn't seen you in awhile and you've been you were you were wearing your whacking phoenix. Think, come on, come mind for buddy sick. There's only enough room for me to put one DVD and decide if you to take across the other side. Then on the other side, it's movie night every night. What film will you take to show everyone when they say this, show us a film from twenty twenty one, please, It's it's so hard because it

could be. Certainly, it could easily be any of the top three that I picked. Petite mammon, come on, come on, or drive my car. I will say, just today how I'm feeling, And it's possibly because I've seen it again most recently, but I will say, drive my car. Okay, I would take Summer of Salt because I know how to show people a good day. But yeah, what's really funny.

What's really funny about that speech is that the premise of that speech is life is really hard, but then you get to heaven and you understand that the suffering was all worth it, and you feel okay about it. But then if you get to heaven and I'm making you one drive my car, a Jesus, it wasn't worth living long days, nis Kuma, what a pleasure and a joy we've done over two hours? Will this beit a

two part two? Probably? Well? Dan listen. If you fancy coming to CITB on tour, the tickets are at nishka dot com dot UK. If you live in New York, there are tickets available for the shows on the nineteenth, twentieth, twenty first, and twenty third, anything else New York City Baby. Apart from that, no, niche, I love you, thank you for your love you brat, and I will see you tomorrow or the next day. It's well, it's nearly time for us to record the best at twenty. I don't

want to call it. It's too early to call it, but I've already called it. It's mass. But it's so early, it's May. So it's nice to put this year. It's nice to put this time staff down. We can see and we can see where we where we wind up. All right, well done, good day, We lived through the long long days forever, Good Day to sea. So that was episode one hundred and ninety nine. Head over to Patreon dot com forward slash Breck Goalstein for the extra chat,

secrets and videos. Don't forget to get your tickets for the live show at the Hackney Empire Do You Live Second tickets at Hackney Empire dot co dot uk or Plosive dot co dot uk. Thank you so much to Nis for giving me his time. Thanks to Scrubius Pit and the distraction pieces and network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to a Gas for hosting it, Thanks to Adding Richardson for the graphics and Least livem for the photography. Come and join me next week for

episode two hundred What are we going to do? We've made it to two hundred? What are we going to do? I've got a plan, but I'm not going to tell you it. I guess you'll have to tune in then. Thank you all for listening. I really hope you will. And you know that's it for now. But in the meantime, have a lovely week and please be excellent to each other. Backstays of Backpack Back