Taylor Tomlinson • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #233

Every week I invite a special guests over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Sharon Stone, and even Brett Lambles. But this week it's the brilliant and incredible comedian. It's Taylor Tomlinson. The first three episodes of Shrinking, the show co created by myself and Bill Lawrence and Jason Siegel, are available to on Apple TV Plus. Give it a

go you will almost certainly definitely love it. Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get an extra twenty minutes of chat with Taylor. We laugh a lot, we talk secrets, we talk beginnings and endings. You get the whole episode uncut, you get it AD free, and you get it as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com Forward slash Brett Goldstein. Taylor Thomlinson is an exceptional stand up. You

can see her two specials on Netflix. They're amazing, or you can go and see her new stuff on tour. If you're in London, she is doing some shows there soon, I think for the first time, so definitely go and see as she will blow your mind. I'd met her a couple of times at gigs before this, and I was very excited to get her on the podcast. She is a real delight. We recorded this on Zoom the other day and I really think you're gonna love it.

So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and thirty three of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Gostein, and I'm enjoined today by an actor, a writer, a producer, a TikToker, a buddy rocker, a last comic standinger, a Netflix superstar and genuinely one of the greatest stand ups that we have working today. She's an absolute mind blower. I cannot believe we've got her on the show. Can you believe it?

I can't. Is she here? She is? Well, she speaks, so you better believe it. Kid, here we go. It's only she's here, it is Taylor Tablin said, I was drying so hard not to laugh over here. You're very expensive, Oh, dishonest and troll? How are you? What is fabulous treats? What a treat? I'm great? How are you good? Is he good to see you? We met very briefly at the improv once are your favorite? Get the improv? I thought, I meant you are at Largo? Oh yeah, we did Largo,

and then we did improv with you. And did we do the imp Yeah? Yeah we did. Okay, and you are astonishing comedian. I think your last Netflix special is incredible, and I also think you do the thing that puts you in the top ten category. That is really funny, definitely funny, excellent funny, but also such a worker as in jokes on jokes on jokes on jokes. Every line has forty jokes, did it? You're fucking good at it.

You're very very good. Oh, thanks nice. And I was thinking about it because I remember I wondered if you felt this or feel this like you started young and you had your first special at twenty five, and I know comics and I know people, and I know that that is that puts you in a position of like,

who's this fucking kid? How darehy? Which is why I always I wondered if like your sort of work ethic came just naturally that's how you always are, or if it was like I really need to prove myself because people are going to be like, who's this fucking child having a guy? You know what I mean? No, Oh, it absolutely comes from that. That's my inner dialogue is who's this fucking kid all the time, because yeah, it was.

I was sixteen when I started, and so for years and I'm sure, look, I think anybody who's successful in this business knows that there are a lot of reasons why people get opportunities, and like, I'm sure me being younger helped me get certain opportunities, and so you just try to work hard and be worthy of them when

you get them. But oh my god. Yeah, I was so scared that everyone was going to be like this sucks and she's got it because she's a child and this was a fluke and we're never going to let her do anything again. So I was really glad when they gave me another one, and I felt like this one was like, Okay, let's like prove it that we're actually like one of the guys, one of the comedians.

I mean, you're beyond Do you think when you get oh, Joe, just stuck coasting, because you'll be like, yeah, I'm out now I have to talk to I desert to me. I certainly hope. So, I mean it hasn't happened yet. I would have thought that I could coast. Back when I was younger. I thought, once I have a Netflix special, I'll coast. And then I got a Netflix special and I was like, well, I can't coast because that might

have been a fluke. Then I got the second one and I was like, well, now I can coast, And now I'm like no, it's it's never been harder to coast. I feel like you have to be doing everything now you can never coast, Like, like, especially with social media

being what it is. Like, I have a social media manager who's you know, she's twenty four, and she's amazing and great, and she's always telling me to post every day, and I'm like, I think I'm like one of the people who's doing a good job at this, and I feel like I don't do enough, Like I'm writing jokes that are just for the internet, and then I have my hour and then I have, you know, sort of like the next hour started before we film that one,

so we have a jumping off point. Like you just have to pro do so much material and so much content now in a way that you've just never had to before. That's made me really depressed. I'm so sorry. I mean, yeah, I'm coasting good time out here. My question to you is I didn't see it at the time, and I'm interested. I'm always interested in everyone on this. Like when you do standup, do you get nervous? I mean, you do it all the time, But do you get nervous before a gig? Or is it easy stepping on

stage every day? I think it depends what it is and where it is. I mean, I don't get nervous most of the time anymore. When I was younger, I had really bad stage fright. I would get like nauseous for a week. It was really tough when I was younger, but especially now, like having an audience, It is so nice to walk out on stage for people who paid to specifically see you, Like, you know, it's so different than going out and winning over people who are just

there for a comedy or for someone else. Like, It's much much easier in terms of nerves. So I don't get nervous so much anymore. I'll get nervous for weird things, like if it's a show I've been nervous about, it's usually because like you know, my manager and agents came to see the New Hour, or I have a friend there you know that doesn't see me perform very much, or that's awful in it. Yeah, I get more nervous

performing in town. I get more nervous going to like the comedy store or the comedy seller because of just god, I hope everyone here thinks I'm good and funny. Like on the road, you don't really get nervous, feel like, I mean, if this is bad, because I'm going to see it, I'm gonna know. Except for these twelve hundred people. Sorry, sorry, guys. What about your last special, which is truly fucking brilliant. It was all about I believe the entire out was

about mental house. Basically a lot of it was. Yeah, not the whole thing, but a lot of it. Yeah, that's a theme, and it's really really good. It's you know, wise and really funny. And I wondered if that was an early choice, like I'm going to do an hour about this I wanted to talk about this stuff, or whether that just came from I got less of stuff that seems to be on this theme and then became an hour. Yeah. No, it wasn't a plan at all.

I mean, I think for my first special, Quarter Life Crisis, that was very much like I took more serious jokes out and saved them because I wanted that hour to just be about being in your twenties and be sort of thematically consistent. And then the second hour sort of just evolved until it became like the first half is

about mental health and grief. I think, or maybe even forty minutes of it is because I knew I wanted to do jokes about losing my mom as a kid, but I didn't know how much of it was going to be in the hour. I think it just expanded until it was more than I expected it to be. And then I got diagnosed with bipolar two months before we filmed it, and initially yeah, it's yeah. So initially I was like, I'm not gonna talk about this on

stage at all. And then I was, you know, working on the Hour, and I think I try to joke about it maybe like Kentucky. I was just like, ah, this is just a new one, let me see. And it did really well, and I just tend to write about stuff that's happening to me. So it just sort of happened and it moved up in the hour, and by the time we were filming it, I was like, oh, this is like four minutes in, we're getting into this.

It was very I mean, both both specials I've done, and I'm sure this one will be the same way. Sort of the like five months before it came out, something big happened in my life that sort of changed the entire direction of the hour, like changed a big portion of it in a big way, which is I think the really cool thing about stand up is you just never know what life's gonna throwout you if you are a very personal comedian, like, I don't know if

you feel like this. I feel like you're pretty personal, right, You're not like topical and observational so much as you're personal. Right, I'm pretty personal. I was going to ask you, but then I thought, actually, maybe you can't answered this because for obvious reasons. But is there anything that you won't talk about those states? I'm guessing you're not gonna tell me what that would be because you don't talk about it in a podcast. But or are you in theory

I've been to talking about anything. You know? That's interesting because lately I've been less willing to talk about certain things. I think when I was younger, I was like, I will write jokes about anything, and over the years I've gotten better, and luckily I got better at this. Before I was doing specials about like if I write jokes about you know, an X or something, I will disguise it so you can't tell or figure out who it is,

or it's not too personal or two pointed. I always say, like I dated someone years ago, like it's it's never like I just went through a breakup, Like I try

to be sensitive about that. I mean, before the last special came out, I sent my aunt all the jokes about losing my mom, which you know, none of the jokes were about my mother specifically, but I didn't want her to see it and feel like I was being disrespectful or poking fun at you know, the greatest tragedy of her life, as well as mine, because I just don't think. I don't think. I don't think a joke is worth your relationships, Like, I just don't think it is, yea.

And yeah, there's certain things now that I'm like, no, I don't know, Maybe we don't have to get into that, or I've learned to wait on certain things and go, you know what, let's just see how we feel about this in six months and then hopefully talk about it from a more balanced, mature perspective. Because when you first write jokes about a breakup or a difficult parental relationship or what have you, it comes out much harsher I think than yes, because you're coming from such a hurt place.

I mean, have you found that I don't know how? Like same question, do you I guess whatever? Thing that My first two stand up shows were incredibly personal, but they were also about things that were quite a long time ago, so I'd left enough time that it felt like a I can make proper jokes about this without it being too sad or too dark, but also the people involved and now far enough away from it, as in I'm disguising everyone. But still, you know, I always

remember going I won't name these people. I hope this is okay. I went to the Edinburgh Festival, which I went to a lot, and there were two I always think about this. There were two shows. They were two basically dead mum shows. There were a show a guy talking about his mum and dad and the guy talking about his mom was like both shows, and one of them was quite recent, and one of them was long ago. And the one that was long ago was a great show.

It was very moving and it was very funny and it was great and I felt as an audience watching it, I was like, this is really good because he's doing all this quite deep, difficult stuff, but I feel safe here because I can tell he's okay. Ultimately he's okay. And the other guy it was too raw, and I guess, you know, you could argue, well, that's interesting. It was interesting, but I felt in danger as an audience. I felt worried for him. I sort of wanted to go, are

you okay? Like I kept, I almost wanted to like, heckle, are you okay? Because it didn't feel I always I felt like, you're not ready to talk about this. I get that you're doing it, but you haven't processed any of this enough to make a good comedy show. What you what we're doing here is feels unsafe, feels like, yeah, I'm worried about I'm really worried about you. So I'm not sure this is a good show, you know what

I mean? Yeah, but there's also you know, you always hear that Tignatario set where she's just found out she's got CONC is an amazing set and that's immediate, you know, like I guess depends, it depends. Yeah, yeah, it depends if you're a genius or not. Helps if you're a genius like Tik Nataro. Yeah, no, I think that's one

hundred percent true. I again, not to harp on my Dead Mom material, but the Dead Mom jokes and look at you like a few of them I had tried to do when I was, you know, twenty one, twenty two, and I just hadn't gone to enough therapy and I hadn't worked through enough of it, and I really did think I was fine, and I would get frustrated with audiences. And also part of it is like I was just too young, like nobody believed I was okay. I wasn't

okay with anything. I was like a mess, And even now I try to be respectful of that when I'm working on material. If I feel like like there was some material I was doing about a difficult relationship in my family that still is very painful for me, and I had turned it into material, and some nights that felt like justice, and then other nights it felt like, oh my god, why did I even bring this up

right now? Like not because it wouldn't go well. It was all working, but it was a lot for me to act like I was okay when I'm just not yet. And I'm like, you can talk about this later, like these are ever green jokes that you can do in a year or two or never, Like it's also okay to just never do certain jokes. But right now, you are, as you said, too raw, and I think you just

have to as you mature as a performer. I think you get better at recognizing that about yourself, and in the same way you like learn to live with anxiety and depression. You just go, oh, I wish I didn't feel that way right now, but I do. So we're going to be gentle and wait until we don't feel away.

There's the thing my first stand up show, which was about a period of my life that stuff happened, and I remember I always think about the fact that, in my early preview of it, I did the album maybe for the third time, and afterwards a woman from the audience came up to me and just hugged me and said, I'm so sorry that happened to you. And I really thought, oh, you know, that was going to be a comedy shot, and it was a real lesson in like, oh, I've

sold this completely wrong, stuilities. They feel I have to twiddle this to make it much more safe to laugh about, and you know what I mean, Like she just thought it was a dramatic monologue about a terrible incident, and yeah, yeah, you don't want I'm sorry that happened. You want thank you for talking to about that. It made me feel better. That's what you want. You want, Thank you not I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a terrible reaction audience with the stuff

you've done. It's like the difficult stuff your mum and the and the bipolar thing. Do you feel because I'm also curious about the I hear both sides of this. Do you feel like it's therapeutic, like it's helpful to you that you that you talk about this, that you process it through comedy or do you ever think that by talking about it so much and doing it as stand up it makes it worse because you're reembedding it,

re embedding it every time it's coming up. Honestly, that's a great question, because there were points on the last tour, as I was gearing up to film Look at You the second special, where I was like, I cannot do this material anymore. Not because I wasn't proud of it.

I really loved that material and I was really proud of it, but it was emotionally very draining to do every night, and I was doing it twice a night a lot of nights, and then you know, meeting people after shows that were bringing up their mental health struggles and their experiences with losing family members, and it was just really heavy It was just really heavy to sort of brace myself every night to get into that material and like we're talking about make the audience feel comfortable

with it, because when I was like when I was younger, when I was like a teenager and I was going on stage, people were nervous for me because I was so young, Like people were scared for me because I was so young. So I had to learn how to They're already nervous, so I had to learn how to make them feel comfortable just by like carrying myself a

certain way. And I felt that way with that last hour of material too, is I was like, oh, I have to really I had to really hit the mark, Like I have to really stick the landing on this stuff so that people aren't aren't uncomfortable. And it was

just a lot. It was a lot more taxing than like my current hour of material, save for that like six minute chunk that I just took out really recently, just like this month, maybe last month, but the first couple months of the tour and over the summer, I was doing that material and it was sort of towards the end, and I thought it was interesting and it was like a little darker and sadder. But I was like, I'm just not I just don't want to dread this

part of the show every night. I want like a break, Like I just want to do an hour that's lighter and easier and still very personal. I think, and is vulnerable and is about certain fears I have right now, but it is it is a lot a lot lighter, and that is on purpose. Yeah. Great, that's that sounds good. Tricky, isn't it. It's tricky because it's the good stuff, always the stuff. The stuff you dread is always the best stuff. I know, it always does. It's a real an. It's

really annoying. Yeah. The other thing that I think is very nice about you, it seems, is that Dustin Nicholson here is a very lovely, very funny comedian. Seems you always have him as you open it and you travel with him? Is that true? Instagram? True? And and have you nine him forever? I just loved it. You're always with your friend and these things that seems like a

lovely relationship. Yes, it's made a huge difference. I met Dustin like ten years ago, which is funny because he was we were both a few years into stand up. But I was you know, I was in college. I was like nineteen, and he was my age now because he's about ten years older than me, and he had like, you know, three kids under ten and he was married,

and I was like a child. Like we're very different places, and we weren't like friends right away, but we were doing stand up at the same time in San Diego, and over the years, you know, I started in churches, he was doing some churches as well, and he was just one of the only people I knew who was like doing every type of gig the same way I was.

Where like we were both doing clubs, colleges, churches, corporate events, like we were both doing everything, and again we were both in San Diego and just kind of naturally over the years. I think a big turning point was probably when I was I think I was twenty three at the time, twenty two or twenty three, and I got

fired from opening for a church comedian. And after they called me to fire me, they took me off a bunch of tour dates as the opener, and they called dustin immediately after and gave him all of the work that I'd gotten fired from because I had tweeted a joke with innuendo in it disgusting. I know it was rough, but it was it was good because it was like the last sort of churchy gig that I was still doing. And then after that I got to be like I'm

never doing these again. Like we're just a hard hard stop on these. But like, I don't think Dustin. I really became close friends and told maybe like four years ago, and yeah, he's just like he's the best. He's like him and his wife Melissa are just like great, great people,

and like he's really like my big brother. I have younger siblings, but I've been the oldest, and he's really like honest with me and looks out for me and has given me a lot of shit, and like, you know, it's just a really good example of like a really good human being. Yeah, in a great relationship and a really good parent. And it's good for me to be with a friend on the road, but it's also good

for me to be with a good person all the time. Yeah, you know, Fuck, I've forgotten to tell you, Sonny Ship. I should have told you this up too, before we got into this. I feel I would have mess. I really should have said this to you you deserved. I should have said it earlier. I'll just I'll just say you've died. You're dead. Oh my god, I forgot you're dead. It's right, you know, it's embarrassing. I choked on a supplement. I actually choked a supplement, which is, you know, the iron,

taking something to live longer. But no, I was. I was in a hurry and I took you know, sometimes you throw a few back. Because it was fish oil and magnesium. It was too big, guys, and I thought I could do it, and I just I flew too close to the sun. And always it's too big. You got to really focus, you got to breathe through one

fish oil. And so the fact that I tried to double up is I have no one to blame but myself and h Luckily I'm making enough money on the road that they found me in my apartment within twenty four hours because my agents were like, why isn't she answering our email? Um, otherwise it might have been a week. Who knows, But you're right, it's like, why is she working? Yeah, that's correct. Everyone else would been she's depressed. Yeah, how old were you when you died? I was, I was.

I was thirty five, I was in my prime. I was at my peak. You just about to start coasting as well. I was just about to start posting. It's true. And you know, my entire team was really was really torn because on the one hand, you know, you can't make money going forward for them. But she left. At the time of that game, My my specials went crazy. Everything got so popular once I was dead. Yeah, the

best thing that ever happened. They're they're at the funeral, like mopping their tears and quietly looking down at their fine still number one ding ding ding, yeah, d d d tragic. Netflix put it under dead Pan Comedies put do you worry about death? Tell me I do. Yeah. I think about death all the time. Do you think about death a lot? I mean, podcast, I would assume I do you think about it? Yeah? Do you think

about it in a negative context? I think, I get really scared of death, But then I go, I'm just as scared of life as I am of death. And then sometimes I get so scared of dying that I get exhausted, and I go, am I just gonna be scared of dying the whole time. Let's just do it right, now, yeah, this is this is exhausted. Yeah, man, Yeah, what do you think happens when you die? I have no idea. I think that if anything does happen, we're not going

to figure it out. I'm certainly not. I didn't finish college. You know, I have no idea that's going on after all that you stand of this on my job? Do we have a scientist working on that? I just we're never going to. I mean, I I would love it if there's something else, that would be great. I think reincarnation sounds very beautiful. I mean, I would love it if there's something else. I think there's just as likely. It's just as likely that there's something else as that

there's nothing. I really don't Yeah, I don't have like strong opinions about I grew up so religious that like certainty, any sort of certainty around an afterlife or lack thereof, is like repulsive to me. I'm like, you don't know, none of us know. Was that an incident? Was it a general thing or was there a specific thing that made you go I'm not into religion anymore. I mean, I think it was very gradual, because when you grow up in it and your whole family is very much

a part of it. Like it's really hard to take yourself out of it because everyone around you is in it. So you feel like there's something wrong with you if you can't buy into it or feel the things you're supposed to feel. But like, honestly, when my mom died, I was eight, and everyone was like, we'll see her again, and I'm like, I don't feel that way. I don't

know if that's true. And that was sort of the first instance of me going I don't think I feel how I'm supposed to feel that everybody's talking about and I don't feel like And I went in and out of this over the years of like feeling like God was there for me or talking to me or whatever,

and then feeling like I don't feel anything. And I think once I got to I actually think once I started doing stand up and I started hanging out with a lot of different people and not just like my suburban Christian town, it really opened my eyes to the fact that there are plenty of people who never even think about religion. They don't think about God, they don't

like it doesn't just eat away at them. And I was always taught in church, that everybody has this little like voice in their head that they're just ignoring, and that's God and that's faith, and you either listen to me don't. And then I got older and I was like, there's plenty people who don't have that at all, and it's because it wasn't you know, like ingrained in them. Question which I'm sure you took about many times, but it is interesting that he was so young when you

did this. If you could briefly, why did you start stand up at sixteen? What made you go, I'm a stand up. I wanted to stand up to you? Do you know? Oh, it's not a cool story. Um, I took a stay. I took a stand up comedy class from a church Communitian, which was a class that my dad wanted to take. And he told me the later he like thought I would write for him. That's how it started. Yeah, that's how I started doing stand up And they tend out you were good. It turns out

did your dad do it with you the course? Oh? Yeah he did the class with me. Yeah, he did the class with me, but he didn't do stand up for anything. How was his? Oh god, I can't bear it. Okay, well, listen up, Tyler. Good news. There's a heaven and you in it, and everyone it's very excited to see it. Hell yeah, oh heaven. Yeah yeah, let's heaven. It's great. It's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Macha.

It is filled with matcha It is matcha up. There was a match on the wolves, let's matter on the floors, match everywhere, and there are a match of people. When they woke around, and they're very excited to meet you. They're huge fans. They love all your work. They want to talk to you about your life, but they want to talk about it through film in that weird and the first thing they ask you is, what's the first

film you remember? Saying t t I think the first movie I remember seeing ever, I'm gonna say it was Aladdin, and I think I watched it like every day when I was very young. And so it's one of those things where I'm like, I don't even know if I remember seeing it or if I was just told that I watched it every day, Okay, and so maybe that was it. I remember seeing a toy story. It's just a lot of Disney, a lot of Disney movies when I was a kid. That's not bad. Yeah, did you

did you think I love this? I want to be in movies? No, I really didn't. I think I did maybe in like middle school, I did for a bit. But once I started doing stand up, I was like, Oh, this is awesome. This is way better than everything else. Like I liked acting because I like being on stage. And then once I figured out that you could do stand up on stage, I was like, Oh, this is amazing. I don't have to I don't have to rely on anybody.

This is this is great. But no, when I was a kid, I don't even think I understood that you could be in movies until I was like whatever ten or something, and then I was like, why am I not in Harry Potter? Oh? Because I'm not British, right, That was why I got it. The first movie I remember seeing in theaters. Yeah, and I only remember because I got taken out of it is I remember being in the theater watching Hercules, and I remember being carried

out because I got scared pretty immediately. Well it's kind of yeah, it's I mean that movie is about hell this Oh yeah, it like opens with hell. Yeah, and you're like, I'm five exactly. It's very scared. That's sweet. Yeah, what's the film that scaredy the mice that wasn't herculates? Do you like being scared? I hate being scared. I hate scary movies. I'm not interested in them at all. I have a I have a couple answers to this. So there is a movie called Nocturnal Animals. Have you

seen this movie? Yes, I have seen this movie. It has Amy Adams and Jake Jillenhall and Aaron Taylor Johnson in it. And I don't think it's actually happening to characters. It's what's happening in the novel yet that they're talking about. Yeah, and it's these guys take this family on the side of the road and they take the mom and the daughter and they they kidnap them and drive off of them, and then the husband who's Jake Jillenhall like, finds their

bodies later. And it fucked me up so bad because it's not like a supernatural thing. It's like a thing that could happen, like all that shit with like murder and all this, Like I just can't I can't watch stuff like that because it'll it'll suck me up. So that fucked me up. But it was a really good movie. But I saw that when it came out out in theaters by myself, and I was like, Oh, can ever watch this again? And then a friend of mine told

me about Hereditary. I never saw Hereditary, but they explained the plot in great detail, and that scared the shit out of me. That's for a while, fucked me out. Hereditary really, Oh dude, I didn't even see it. I didn't even see it, and it sucked me up. It's worse. It's even worse if you see it. That is a scary film. Why do you think so many comedians? And I have lots of comedians on it in the I'd say in the far majority. Some really love horror, but

most hate horror. Have you run? I hate horror? Don't want to be scared hated? Really? Yeah, so many comedians, I think, I mean, I assume it's control. And but the reason I find it slightly surprising is because horror and comedy are the same thing, right right. I think the control is a great insight. I think it probably is like you have so much control as a stand up comedian, like it's it's hard to do anything else.

It's hard to write screenplays and like go through all this problem like it's exot you're just like none of this has to take this all Like yeah, you know, I write stuff and do it every night, right, Like we don't have to what's all this bullshit? Like we gotta go Yeah, yeah, why are we discussing, Let's just

do it? Come on. So that's really interesting. Yeah, I think that if you like being a comedian, you like having control of your surroundings and feelings and career, and to give in to a horror movie is to feel out of control. Yeah, horrendous. Yeah, you're probably right, But also like do most people like horror movies? Like is this specific to comedians? Do you think most people do? They do? It's it's it's the only genre other than

kind of big marvel films that is keeping cinema alive. Like, horror films is what people go to the cinema to say consistently, so interesting. It's one like the only sort of live budget films that crowds will go and see. Its horror films. Fascinating. Wow, that's really fascinating. Yeah, that movie Megan is like doing really well right now, and I want to go see it. Smile was huge. Oh, yes, Smile was huge. I've been asking people if Megan is

super scary, if I could handle it. I think you can because I'm like, what's the I'm like, what's the what's all the fuss about? I keep hearing about this. I want to be a part of it, Like you do. You go out to the theater and see what's out

most of the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love horror films, but I also realized with horror films, it's like it's like drugs with me, Like I love them until they're too hard and then it like he Readitary really fucked me up, and I think I regretted seeing it because it sort of ruined me for a week. I couldn't I was sort of genuinely scared in my own house, and I thought, why do you put yourself through this? Yeah,

That's how I feel after virtually every horror movie. But I like hearing about them, so I always get people to tell me everything that happens in it. I'm like, oh, that sounds good, but I'll never watch it. That makes sense. Well about crying, are you a crying? What's the film? I made? You cry. I've had it. I've had movies

make me cry a lot. The first movie I remember crying really harden was when I was a kid was Bridge to TERRIBITHI yeah, really depressing film and to be like, you know ten and you're like a kid can drown. That's fucked up. That really if I remembered crying really hard in a theater at that one. And then god, I remember I watched Cramer Versus Kramer for the first time a few years ago and that made me cry

pretty hard. And a more recently, I think the most recent example I could think of was something that made me cry hard was Soul. Soul fucked me up? Oh so, yeah, it's so good. It's so good it is. That was more in a nice way. I guess. Are you comfortable crying? Oh yeah, I'm too comfortable crying? Okay? Are you are you uncomfortable? Oh yeah? Crying in front of paper after that way? Thank you? If if ted less anything, it's the voter vie. He is a terrible thing and you

must always hide it, right, that's the message. That's what I got from it. Yeah, that's what I heard. Good. Yeah, I think I did it. What about what's a film that you love people don't like it. It's not critically a claim, but you love it unconditionally, you don't care. I think I didn't know until I was an adult that this movie is considered very bad. I think it's good. Still is a hook? I fucking love Hook. Hook is fucking good, right. I think Hook's a good movie. It's

a great movie. I think the first twenty minutes Hook is Summer Spielberg's best work. I love it's kill it. It's so good and has terrible reviews, and I didn't when I got to be an adult. I don't remember even why I looked it up. I think I was just gonna rewatch it with someone and we looked it up on ron Tomatoes or something, and we're like, is this considered a bad film? The worst thing about Hook? I'm sure I've said this on here before, so apologies

if I have. Spielberg thinks it's bad. He's broke what he's like when he did like a career chat. He's like, you know the one film I think I sort of fucked up if I'm like, no, you didn't, No, you didn't, Stevens. It's brilliant. Oh, my god, did you see The Fableman? I did. I saw it. I saw it just a couple of days ago. So did I Did you like it? I did like it? We don't I like more? Hook? Me too? So did I. I thought The Fableman's was was very well done. I also thought it was very

self indulgent. I was like, it's no Hook, it's very I thought it's very good, but it's not Hook. No. I agree. I'm not gonna watch it like I watched Hook. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, if he sat down and said he was ashamed of Hook, like what are you? What are you talking about? Like that's what needed to be about, was him reckoning with it. It needed a scene where he goes, I think Hook's not very good, and his favorman parents go, it's brilliant yourself, it's so good.

I thought it was so good. I mean, the cast is so good, Like it's the fuck it's really really good. It's upsetting to me. It's so validating that you also feel that way, because I was scared you're gonna be like, no, that's a bad movie. I can't. I tried to describe the bit at the end to something I couldn't get through because I was gonna cry. I was trying to describe what his what he happened, I mean, if ever finished the sentence. But his happy thought is I can't

bear it. It's too much. I ki'd I know it was you. Oh I know, jud was gonna cry and he spoils off. Oh god, it's so good. Oh god, I'm sorry. I would just want to bring him. I think about I think about the food fight scene all the time. Yeah, and I mean, she wiz, what a movie. It's so good. It's got everything in it. I mean truly for all the generations. I was like, this movie has everything. There's something for everybody in this it's so good.

Something really the build up when they got to landing in it and he's doing the speech and the awesome boys stand up and black kisses to Maggie Smith in the window because it's so creepy, and like, oh, what a movie. So you're a planet, Peter. Great film, it's so good. It's so good. Oh my god. Oh I'm so relieved. You understand completely. Okay, what is a film that you used to love but you have what's recently ain't gone? I don't like this anymore, but whatever reason

that may be, okay. So when I was a kid, my parents had maybe like thirty DVDs that they just kept in their bedroom that I would usually go to if I got sick and I was home alone from school. And I remember there was one movie there that I loved when I was a kid, and I tried to rewatch it as an adult, and I'm like, this is a bad movie, but I still think it looks really fun to have made. Which now if I don't like a movie now as an adult, I go, but this

was probably really fun to make. Like that always saves it for me. Is like thinking about the actors having a really fun time. There's this movie called Down with Love with renees' Elwegger and Ewan McGregor. It's like a very campy like set in the nineteen fifties, like just like it feels like a musical, but it isn't at all.

There's no music in it. So Renees Elweger's character has like this like glow up and then writes this book about how you don't need to fall in love and women just need to have sex like men have sex, and it like blows up and it's this huge success.

And then Ewan McGregor is this like chauvinistic men's magazine journalist, and he tricks her into falling in love with him to like write an expose proving like this author who is trying to tell women they don't need love is gonna I'm gonna make her fall in love with me

by pretending to be somebody else. And then like the twist at the end is that she used to be his secretary before she was blond, like when she was like ugly, I guess, and he didn't know, and she like did the whole thing to like win him over and make him fall in love with her, because obviously he falls in love with her back. It's just very I think Sarah Paulson's in it, David Hyde, Piers. It's like when I was a kid, I like loved it, and I tried to watch this adult. I'm like, this

is not a good movie, but it's it's like fun. Yeah, it's not good. I was like, this really doesn't sounds So it's like I had to leave a guy in ten days. Yeah, it's kind of like that, but in like the nineteen fifties, right, I think i'd love it. Honestly, you might love it. You just kind of have to like buy into it. Yeah, but it's like cheesy and silly, like it has a spot in my heart of course. But if I as an adult, I would probably be like, yeah,

maybe not. But as a kid, I really really liked it a lot, and I would watch it whenever I get sick. That's a great shout. And it's never come up with it. That's a big shot. Ten points for that. I've never I've never met anybody who's ever seen it. What is the film that means the mice to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but the experience you had around seeing the film would always make

it important to you. Well, the last Harry Potter movie came out when I was a senior in high school, and so we all went to go see like the midnight premiere of it. When I was a kid, I read like the first few books and they were really important to me. And then my dad decided that they were satanic and that I couldn't read them, and I somehow convinced him, you know, years later, to let me go see the last movie with all my friends because it was like a senior thing. Like it was like,

I'm like, it's just a memory. I don't even care about Harry Potter anymore. So it was like a very triumphant trip. And obviously like waiting for six hours in line with all my friends from high was very fun. And like, you know, midnight premieres of movies, like, but yeah, besides Marvel, Like that's not like a thing anyway. Do people still go to midnight premieres of Marvel movies? Yeah? Probably, Yeah, yeah they still do that. I mean that previous of

things to happen. I hope you would screaming at the screen yo, sated as you watched. I was was going, this is so much better than the Lord. No, that was that was a big That was a big thing. And then I saw the I saw the last Lord of the Rings movie in theaters, which watching those as

a kid was like really important to me. And like those those movies I remember those in like Star Wars I kind of all watched around the same time, which was like nine nine years old, and those were like the first like behind the scenes things I had watched about filmmaking, and that made me go, oh, I had no idea. This was so hard, Like I had no idea how much went into this, just how difficult it was to get the first Star Wars movie made for so many reasons, like at every step of the way.

Is still something I think about all the time. So yeah, I think those two. I'm trying to think of a more recent example. Otherwise all of my examples are going to be from when I was a child. Oh, I have one more. I saw La La land in theaters when I was living in LA and I really didn't like it. I really didn't like La at the time. And I went to go see it at this theater down where you slip that's now closed. It was the Landmark Theater and I saw it like ten pm by myself,

and I didn't know a ton about it. I just knew it was the same guy who did Whiplash, which I had loved. And I remember I saw it like an empty theater at like ten pm, and I was like, oh man, this is really nice, and maybe La it's not that bad. That's great. Those are mine. Yeah, what's the film you must relate to? Oh gosh, I don't know that one. I don't know that I had a great answer for that, like, what's a what's the what's yours? Can I ask yours? It against the rules? Lady Bed, Ladybird,

really lady Bed, because what's Ladybed? That was like, yeah, I totally relate to this, to this, to lady Bed. Oh my gosh. It's it's the example of use of why of why, like writing the more specific you out of the more universal, Like I am not a teenage girl who grew up where she grew up, but I fully fully related to this, to that film. I was like I get yeah, I get your great Yeah, oh my god, that's so funny. Yeah, wow, that's really fun. This came out, came out a lady Bed like that's us.

That was me. How did they capture me? What's inside me? Um? I don't know. I don't know if I have a good I have a good answer, because I can't say Ladybird now, I mean, would love to you. I grew up like an hour outside of Sacramento. But I don't think I don't really relate to her because she's so like free spirited and herself in it. I think, like I'm gonna say this because it was the book and

both versions of the movie. I think I really love UH and was important to me growing up was a little women because I was the oldest of four and there's always yeah, and I think, like every time you watch my brother, my brother is trance, but there's four of us all together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's four of us all together. And I'm the oldest, and so Meg probably, I mean, it's like I'm not you know, nobody's I

don't even know. I don't even know, Like my brother's probably Joe, my other sisters probably Meg because she's the most patient. And then I think, I don't think or now maybe she's more like Beth. And then me and my youngest sister are probably fighting it out for we're probably an Amy Meg Combo, both of us, honestly, but everyone wanted to be Joe. But you know, my brother's Joe.

We're being honest. Someone the manuscripts, Yeah exactly, And I'm like, I wish that wasn't me, but that's probably me, bry So Patty. I think I'm Meg now. I think I've matured into a Meg. But I was probably probably an Amy when I was younger and just didn't realize. They're like, you're selfish, but I wasn't the youngest ever. But yeah, that's uh, that's so much more fun than like your sex in the City, Like which sex in the City character are you? Is? Which little women sister are you? Amy?

That's too great? Gois? I know? Okay, Abbey, Guys, this is the reason people cheating. What's the sexiest film you've ever the same time to tell me? Said oh, this one. I didn't have an answer too. I could not get out of it. I really couldn't think of one. I can't think of like, I really can't. I think I'm a prude. I don't know your film has ever given you the horn zero? I'm sure they have, but I don't know. Does everyone just say mag Jack Mike? But

even that's like it's so overtly sexual. That's I guess That's what I'm thinking of, is like very sexy. I don't know. I don't know. I think I think all about Eve is very sexy. Actually that sounds like sort of a that's why is it all about a sexy?

I just think she's really sexy. I think like her being this like older, sort of like complicated, like petty, Like I think she's got so many great lines in it, Like I remember, like watching that made me feel like maybe it's not that it's sexy, it's that it made me feel like I could grow in because I don't feel particularly sexy as a person, but I'm like, maybe I can grow into being sexy if I'm like a successful woman in show business into my forties and fifties.

I like this plan for you, and then I have to ask the question and I may see men, you don't have one. But I'm furious. This is a subcategory traveling by in this worrying Why don't filmy found a rousing the unit? That's easier? I think, okay, you don't think that's easy. Oh, I think that's so much easier. Oh that's I think everyone has that. Like, but a movie that you're like, this is a sexy film, I'm like,

that's hard. That's a really hard one, because that feels more objective movies that you were aroused by that you shouldn't have been. I mean, where do you fucking start? That's an easy one. Again, how many people say Simba? Everyone does? Everyone say Simba? Everyone says Simba. Another really basic one is not to do too many Peter Pan movies. But the live action Peter Pan movie that came out

when I was a child. A lot of women in my age bracket that was like a big one for them, and that Jack No, No, it's the one with It's the dad from God, Oh, Jason Isaacs, Yes, someone with Jason Isaacs. Yeah, and the blonde kid that everyone was obsessed with who didn't act in anything after that. And so you can't, you can't like go watch his more recent work to feel better about it. That's just a kid, and you it's I used to do I still do.

I have a joke about it where I go like, I don't think children should allow should be allowed to be actors because when you're a kid, you watch these movies and they're important to your sexual awakening, and then you can't rewatch them as an adult because you just remember how horny you get, like nostalgically horny, isn't it where you're like, oh my god, I remember how I used to watch this, and now I see that this

was a child. But you're like, but I was a child, and you're like, I know, but it's just I can't watch this ever again. But why is he whispering? Yeah, You're like why he whispering. There's like a scene where he's like whispering to like get her to come to Neverland, and I just remember like as a kid, we were all just like I don't know what's happening, but I'm feeling nice. Say, you've totally made up for the for

the not knowing what a sexy film is. Very I think it's the easier I know, I'm sorry about that. I don't have any sorry anyway, what is objectively, objectively the greatest film of all time? It might not be your favorite, but subjectively the greatest objectively, I'm going to say Citizen Kane, which I'm sure a lot of people have said, really is number one on the A five

top one hundred movies. And the reason I'm going to say it is because it's number one, which is, you know, very difficult to live up to, I think, and I watched it during Quarantine because we were like, well, we should watch as many movies on this list that we haven't seen now that we have all this time, and it like blew my mind how good it was. I'm like the fact that this it feels so modern. Yeah,

Like that's what blew me away about it. And the fact that you could watch a movie that came out in nineteen forty and go, this is this feels so relevant and modern and and impressive was like crazy to me. And that you'd watch it because it was number one on the Greatest Movies of All Time list and you would still go Okay, yeah, no, I get it. Yeah, it's legit isn't it. I've always delighted when you watch films of that and you go, oh, it's not boring.

I was expecting this to be boring. I assume that's why you always said it was great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fucking great that film. It really is good. Well done, well done, It's so good. Good good friend. What is the film? You could well have watched The Mice to iver and iver again. I've watched Sensensensibility, Angle's sensi Insibility that so many times. Do you, Oh, my god, fucking great film. It's so good. Yeah, that's one of my

favorite movies. And I've watched it so many times since I since I was a kid, and I just think Emma Thompson did such a great job with that script, and it's like everything about it is perfect to me. It's like a comfort movie with mine. It's proper classy that film, Angley. I mean, I don't like that he keeps doing these motion smoothing films recently. I'm just making beautiful films. He keeps making these like action films with like fifty two friends a minute that look like sports footage.

Pretty weird. Now what are you doing? Yeah, get back on a horse. You do good stuff. Get back on the get horses. Ya do really good horse stuff. We don't like to be negative tight I do. Wait so very quickly, what's the worst film you've ever seen? So I was trying to think about this because show business ruins you as far as being critical of movies, because you know how hard it is to get anything made, yeah, TV, but especially film, and you know how many different places

it could have gone wrong. And you know that, like even terrible movies took five years to make, and a million different people weighed in. And that's why it's been the only movie that I think I've ever walked out of. And I'm not saying this is the worst movie I've ever seen, because I don't remember, because I didn't even finish it. There was a movie that came out I'm gonna look it up from twenty It was came out in twenty sixteen and it was called Rules Don't Apply.

And it was Lilly Collins and uh, it was the guy who played Han Solo in like the Solo movie that came out and he and Alden Yes and Warren Beatty and uh, I was a friend of mine. Yeah, there was a friend of mine. We went to go see it, and we, like love going to see movies, will pretty much see anything. And I think we walked out of it because we were just like, this is not this is just not great. What the rules that play? I think he was like her driver, or he was

a driver. Maybe it was like he wasn't supposed to they weren't supposed to date or something. I don't even I don't even remember. I just didn't. I just didn't like. Again, it takes a lot for me. I don't think I've ever walked out of a movie before. The only other movie I almost walked out of recently, which I'm so glad I didn't, but I was in a full theater.

I want to go see Tar and the Oh my god, it was so good, but you know, the beginning, there's all those credits and they're so long, and a bunch of us in the theater were like, did they fuck up the movie? Like it was so long? We were so dead. Well, we were just like, is it the Yeah, we missed a whole movie? What happened? Like should we go talk to someone? But then it started and it was great. Yeah, well, film, good film. You're in comedy,

you're an excellent comedian. You wanted the greats? What's the film that made you laugh the most? I saw Bridesmaids in high school, and it like blew my mind, which is another one I've seen a bunch of times. It's good. Jesus Christ, it's so good. It's so good it I could not believe how funny it was and just how many funny women are in it, and it really like I still remember seeing that with a group of my friends and walking out of that theater like just like vibrating.

I was so excited that it existed. It's fucking good. It's really really good, and we need another. I keep thinking, has there been anything since bridesmaid of that sort of scale comedy film with such a big unsoon, But I can't think of one like that. I'm sure there has been. It's probably Hey, if you think I haven't pitched stuff for years, is like, hey, I would like to make other bridesmaids. It's or something with that impact. Because people

always ask you anything. On your IMDb it says untitled Tylors Tomlinson film. Does it? Yeah, see if that comes to fruition, Yeah, we're working on it. Exciting My advice probably needs a title. That would be my any advice? Yeah, oh yeah, And you know it's so funny. Titles are so hard, but they're not hard for standard specials. My stand up specials have been so easy to title, and everything else is so hard to title. Tylans Tomlinson, You've

been beyond a delight. However, when you were thirty five years old and you're in a bit of a rush because you're a workaholic, and you were going from touring and you thought, well, wow, i'm touring, I may as well pop into the city and do a set at improv, which you said you wouldn't do, but you're a real worker, and you were like, I forgot to take my supplements, and you're in a rush, so you grabbed your fish one fish, your capsule, and you put your zinc down.

Zinc had gone in. You done, ye b twelves You're done, ye bam and I and you were like, I've really got to go. You grabbed your fish and your magnesia and you chucked them in, and then they both got stuck in your throat and no one was around, and you were like, and you couldn't reach your mobile which was over there, and you collapsed on the floor, and then your agent. It's twelve hours later. We're like, ten is not making money for us. It's been twelve hours

since you made money for us. This doesn't seem right. I'm furious. They're like summings up. And they called me and I was wondering about with a coffee, you know what I'm like, And I go, I'll check in on there. I'm in the area, and I come in your house. You are not only dead, but the thing has trapped so much. You have expanded. You're like the air that has got caught has just expanded expanded, and there's so much more of you than I'm expecting. And I'm like,

oh fuck, so I have to get acts. And I start chopping you up, chopping you up, chopping you into little bits to try and get you all into the coffin and the black airwhere bits of you everywhere ever, all over your place. Say sorry, but Dustin says he's going to clean it up later. Anyway, I grab her all your bits, stuff him in the coffin. It's jammed. There's really only enough room in that coffin. Barely enough room in the coffin. But I can slip one DVD in the side for you to take across to the

other side. And on the other side, it's movie night every night. What film are you taking to show the people of match of Heaven on the other side when it is your movie night, Taylor Thomlinson, match match, I mean singing in the rain? Am I allowed to say singing in the rain? Great? Okay? I believe, I believe he's already there. But no one is complaining about a rewatch of singing in the rain. So like we saw this one, you wasted a trip to Heaven. Send her back.

She's got more work to do in The agents are like, yes, please, Taylor Thomlinson, Is there anything else you would like people to look out for to watch your Netflix specials eg or other things? Yeah? Montress By. They're both on Netflix. I am on Tour Forever and always tetom Comedy dot com for shows. I don't know when this comes out, but I'm probably coming to your city. I'm also going overseas for the first time. Okay, I'm going overseas for the first time, but it's those are also low. So

where are you going? We might be adding we might be adding one more London show, but I'm not sure yet. Yes, yes, people of London. Guy, and see Taylor tomly since she's amazing. All Right, Taylor, thanks for your time, what pleasure. Thank you so much. This is so fun. Have a good debt. Good night. So that was episode two hundred and thirty three. Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty minutes of chat,

secrets and video with Taylor. Don't miss the first three episodes of Shrinking that are now available on Apple tv plus. Go to Apple Podcast. Give us a five style rating. But right about the film that means the most of you and why it's a loving thing to read. It helps with numbers in my neighbor more in loves reading them. Hope you are all well. Thank you very much for listening. Thank you so much to Taylor for giving me her time. Thanks to Scrubius Pitt and the Distraction pieces of Network.

Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to A Cars for hosting it. Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics and Lisa Liatham for the photography. Come and join me next week for an incredible guest. But that is it for now, So in the meantime, have a lovely week, and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.