Look out. It's only films to be buried with real white into classic. It's me Great Goldstein. Hello. I took a little break from the podcast to focus on work. I hope that's okay. But next week should be back with brand new episodes. In the meantime, I'm releasing this all time, all time classic episode with the wonderful Susie Ruffle,
one of the great, great, great, great great comedians. We recorded this episode years ago, I think, and it's a beautiful one, and I think it's going to make you cry and love and learn and love and feel good inside. I really hope you enjoy it. In the meantime, head over to Apple tv Plus, where you can watch now the first three episodes of ted Lasso season three and all of Shrinking. Watch them, and I really hope you
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Brett Gholstein. I joined today by an actor, a writer, a phenomenal stand up and an incredible all around human. Yeah, let's feel it like it is. Please, welcome to the show, the Fabulous Susie Raffo. It's nothing sadder than just claps by themselves, is there? If people at do you that's what they do when you're they're there in their cars and you're right. I think they're on the tube clapping and people are looking at them and they go, do
you know anything about comedy? Anyway? It's an absolute pleasure to have you here. Thank you for coming to my house. My pleasure. It's nice. It's nice to have a noise around. I like that you've chosen the Muppets mug. Yes, of course, big fan, so good, big fan. How long have I known you, Suzie? I mean I know this because I share I texted you a picture from those like Facebook memories. Yeah, oh vampire picture but where none of us are tasted. Yeah,
so it's like a one hundred and two years. Actual, Oh that's we became vampire with Witch. Yeah. Yeah, you're Zachary Binks, right, okay, yeah, ten years, I think ten years. Do you like films, Suzie? Yes? Convenient, very convenient. Yeah. I like films. I like going to the pictures. I don't do it as much as I like to. I wouldn't read it when you're on tour a bit, not loads, but maybe it should do more. I do love going
to pit because I can't like going by myself. Yes, but I wouldn't call myself a film buff, okay, because I'm not good at like knowing groups of directors or who did war or whether that was the same writers or anything like that. But I enjoy sort of films for what they are, like the solo thing. Do you watch films and you're a Telly or computer? Yeah? Yeah? And box sets? Are you more a box set person now? No? I think it just sort of depends what moodiman. Last
week I watch Philadelphia for the first time. Really, Yeah, I can't believe I hadn't seen it. Philadelphia. It was great. I think it's aged really well great and Tom Hanks is brilliant. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think that's also where Denzel went big in the mainstream, and he's my favorite film st Yeah, he's really great in it, and his character has a real journey as well. Yeah. Yeah, it's a really good movie. It's very sad. It's sad. Yeah, I really cried at the end. I forgot to tell
you something. I feel like I know where this is going. Should have told you at the beginning. It's bad. I didn't necessarily. I don't even know how you're gonna take this because you seem you seemed like quite a zen. Okay, I still think it's gonna be a shock, But you died. You died. I'm sorry. This is a concern because this keeps happening when people come to this podcast, and I think people are going to start thinking it's for you. I'm like, what's her name in medicy rate. No, you're
not finding the killers. You're killing people. That's what that was the twist, right where everywhere she went, people would die and then she'd find the killer. Wink wink. Okay, well that's the thing. So I've died. Oh God, how did you die? I don't know, do you know? Did Jessica pleasure. It might be it's up to you. That's a great idea. I don't know. Someone really cut me up on my bike yesterday, really, so it could have been that. That's horrible. It's very horrible. A man in
a van. Hate hate to be cliche, but it was. It wasn't why there it's a black van and he called me some horrible names out of the window for something that I hadn't really done. I'm not really dealing with it, but it was quite scary. I was quite scared afterwards. I was shaken. So maybe it was that, Yeah, sorry, that's why it was. Well, I just feel like that's the one that makes most sense if I'm dead now at this moment. So the man in the black van,
he called your names, ran you over. Yeah, and then I didn't realize I was dead in a very sort of he was shaking at Patrick's fazy or sixth cents. Yeah, Like I didn't know. So I've been going about my life thinking like my girlfriend's not talking to me, or like what's going on. I'm the first person he's let you in the eyes in the whole day. Right, Well, you can see, guys, because you've done this podcast so much.
All right, did you worry about death now? I do? Yeah? Right, well now that I don't know whether I've been undead dead and I've been wandering around sort of thinking that I'm having my life in fact previous to this, death is an anxiety of yours. No, I've got a lot of anxieties, but I wouldn't say that death is one of them. Death's not making their cut. No, I feel like, well, when I'm dead, it's all done it. Do you think that's it? You think I'd like to think there is.
I think it's a lovely idea. I think maybe I think that there's maybe something happens to our energy. Who we are like that? I don't know. I guess some people would say soul, other people would say energy or something else. And I don't know if it necessarily goes away. But I don't know if it's anything physical that we can understand. But you think your consciousness is gone, I don't know. I don't know. Have you ever read a ghostly experience? No? What is that? Oh? Like an experience
of a ghost? Have read it? I have had an experience? Have you? Yeah? Can you tell us about it? And by us, I mean me and on Herring's podcast. But I suppose that's fine. You're an out crossover. You can do material advice. I mean, why did anyone tell me? I don't know, there's some stuff of yours I've seen you do a few times, just insane. You're just remembering it. What was a friend of ours, family friend? We were all in Devon. We were in like a hotel and
the hotel had a pool. We're all in the pool us as a family. There was a family friends that we had who had like a cottage in Devon. They were staying in that cottage down the road. The mum of that family had recently died. She'd died very sadly of cancer. They the family, the dad, his daughter, and another girl are in that cottage. We're all we're sort of seeing them for dinner and stuff like that, but that we're having separate time because we're in a hotel.
One day suddenly they all come to the pool. We're in the pool at the hotel. They've moved out of the cottage and moved into the hotel. Why what's happened? Ghosts? We're terrified ghosts. Part of us is all like what but part of us is all Also because it's so recently mum died, part of us is thinking, you know, romantically, you're thinking, well, I kind of hope it's the mom, you know, that'd be nice. But also they're terrified. And then these are normally not the sort of people too ever, yeah,
engage in this sort of stuff. So the story that they tell us the night before, the two girls gone to bed. They've been eating sweets. They've got like boiled sweets all over place. Turn out the light. A sweet hits one of them in the head. She goes, stop praying sweets at me. The other girl goes, I haven't done anything. Another one hits her, stop praying sweets. I haven't I'm not doing anything. They turn on the light, sweets flying around the room, terrified running too. The dad, dad, dad, dad,
He goes, are you talking about this stupid? He goes into the room. He says, will you stop throwing sweets at my daughter? Sweet hits him, bath scream in the bedroom. Oh pree this to this. In the dark before the sweet start flying, one of the girls is freezing. Coaches is can we turn the eating on the other girls? Like, are you talking about boiling freezing cold, boiling sweets go around anyway, So they run out. So the next day, me, my dad, and my sister and another guy go to
the cottage. They're all too terrified to go. We're like, well, we've got to look, haven't we. And we go in the coaches middle of the day, sunny, not sunny, but daylight, and I go upstairs and we'll oh, but it doesn't feel like there's nothing going on. I go to the bathroom, have a we forget to flash the toilet, remember that bit. My dad puts some coins on the bed where the girls leaping, puts like being a tempee, puts on the
bed and then like steps back. Nothing happens. We stand there all at once, the toilet flushes and the coins go b being being in three different, three different directions, the coins fling across the room when we scream and run out, and that's it. So what happened to the fun? They end up getting back to the house They got an exorcist, got an exorcis. Turns out the story we were told according to whoever you know, person that went there,
was that it wasn't the moment anything. There were ghosts that had lived in his house that did not like her friend. The daughter's friend felt like her energy was not nice, so they were trying to get her out of the house. So they had an exhorsis. I mean, look, all of this might be total manness and blah blah blah, except for I cannot explain why those coins. You know, that's terrifying. I don't know how that happened. There is a logical explanation. I'd love to hear it, but I
saw it happen, and I don't know why. That's scary. So thank you, good night. Yeah, well, I mean I'm not good night. I'm not leaving. So that's I don't know if I'll keep that in, But that's that's something. It's a good story, though she's talk about on stage. Really I don't know something something in it, something like thrilling about hearing a story like that. Yeah, but have you ever had a ghostly experience? Not really, just like I had a dream where I thought when Nan was
there and then and I couldn't get to her. In the dream, I couldn't get to he, couldn't get to her, couldn't get to her. She was in the distance. I was shouting, I was trying to get to her, try and get attention. I couldn't get to her, and then I sort of struggled myself away, and I felt like as I woke up, I heard my nan NaN's voice say, we need to go. He scared her in my room. Oh my god, that gave me a shiver. Oh such a good story. Scary God, that's scary, we need to go.
Who was he saying that too? She was with her sister my right out in my dream was to go together. That bakes my heart a bit, And I feel like she was in my room and I work up and I was like, my Auntie, I don't know, I think it's worth to tell us. In it, my mum's dad died very young, sadly, and her sister, my Auntie, had an experience of sort of praying, I just want to see him one more time. I just want to see Ama,
just want to see him more time. And then he appeared at the end of her bed, and she was so scared that she ran like immediately ran away, like regretted, yeah, myself, don't, oh don't then this is too scary, And maybe he would have said we must go Scar. Maybe so I don't know about life after death. I like the idea of something, but I don't know this stuff that I don't know. I think it's all. I think it's far
beyond what we know. Yes, I mean I'll be talking more about ghosts and a bit well good news, yeah, bad news depending if you wanted to sort of some piece and quiet. There is enough to life. Yeah, yes, she's there. She stops. She's like, just be careful because she's very jumpy. This one. Let everyone up there, great, tread lightly with spooks easy, Yeah, but everyone there wants to talk about film, my life through film. Yeah. The first question I ask you is what is the first
film that you remember seeing? The Jungle Book? Delicious? Good one? Right? Yeah? What were the circumstances in which is so? I would have been it on him on VHS? Yes, I have brothers and sisters. I have a brother that's older than me for years. Are you tea carry on? Please? So remember watching it and really enjoying it and thinking it was brilliant. Do you watch it alone? No? I would have watched it with my family. I watched it a lot of my dad and I watched it. I remember
watching with my dad when I was poorly. When I was like, oh, I'd like waked them up and be like, I've been suck. I was really sickly as a child. I always I was like always throwing up, and I was really like I was under weight for ages they were feeding me. It's important to point out, but I just I was really yeah, I was really like I I've always been a bit lanky. I was really skinny, and I was often often had an upset tummy, and
so I was often thrown up. So I remember waking up my dad and him like being like, all right, come on, let's get book to like to sort of chill me out. I mean, here's a story that I've talked about in an Edinburgh show, but not this specific bit of it. But briefly, when I was a child, my dad was arrested in Italy for basically something that he someone put drugs in a lorry that he drove and he didn't know anything about it, and he was They locked him up for about four or five weeks
I'm maybe longer, maybe a couple of months. Then eventually they realized that it wasn't his and they found the people that had done it. They were putting drugs in people's lorry because I was a long distance lorry driver and he would cross countries and so he was driving doing like a trip they had done before from England
through France to Italy. Anyway, it kept happening, and they eventually realized that it wasn't really him, but he'd spent quite a lot of time in this Italian prison and they kept saying him, you're going to get ten years. You were going to get ten years, and he was like, I haven't done anything. I didn't know what was in my lorry. Like this was just like and I'm just
delivering fruit. And so he didn't know anything that was going on, and like like I think for a while it was a bit like, oh God, it's going to go. So he was in prison in Italy, yes, and no one speak English. It was terrifying. Yeah, he knew nothing about sort of what. He knew that he was delivering stuff, but he hadn't checked the back of the which I
guess he was meant to have done. So they were like but anyway, he then thought that he was going to be in prison for ten years in prison in Milan, and after six weeks the British embassy went there was nothing to link him to these people that had planted drugs in his lorry, and so he got released. And did you only know this in those days later just
from a phone call. So my mum was like, Mom would have been like thirty five, two children under ten, husband gone, could be in prison for ten years, could be in prisoned ten years. Hadn't really had chance to speak to my dad to just really know the ins and outs that had thought like what have you done? Like it was nightmare, nightmare situation. My uncle's coming around and paying the mortgage like debt collectors at the door, like awful. I only found it out, like a few
years ago. I knew about kne about the story of Dad being Innes, but this part of the story. So he hadn't told Mum he was coming home. There was just like we've got you on a flight and like no one had a mobile, so un as you asked for a call, So I just took him to Stretch to the airport. He's like great, So we just went and then he didn't call her from the airport because it again no mobile phends. He just got on trained
back to Portsmouth. And Mum said that she was in the kitchen and she heard him whistle up up into the garden and he walked into about the garden and like obviously it was like they've realized it wasn't him, Like you know, it was just like such a relief for him to be home. And Mum cried and we were all like, oh my god, you're backing back. And I apparently ran up to him and Dad said, you
want to watch the Jungle Book. That's the most beautiful And he said that that's what we kept thinking about when he was going to sleep in these like steel things, being like, why didn't I check? What did I do? Such an idiot? You were always told to check when you cross borders, you know, all this stuff. You know.
He wasn't a very wealthy person, so we did loaded jobs that like maybe for people that were a bit dodge, but he didn't really know the ins and outs of it, but we were so he'd just been made bankrupt, so he was We were just so it was just so hard to make a living that Dad then was in this tiny cyle and no one spoke English. Anything they said to him was ten years and he had had no idea what was going to happen to him? And he's like a really sort of like easy going, good bloke.
My dad they just fell on really hard times and then yeah came in and he just like, I don't remember it, but Mom said, oh yeah, he picked you up and said to you, do you want to watch a jungle? But oh my god, that's the most beautiful story. Yeah, I love it. Must have been fucking amaze, just him appearing out of nowhere with no warning. Yeah. I think that's like a Christmas miracle. Yeah, but I think one was like, oh my god, you're here, and then like,
what the fuck did you do? Yeah? Yeah, you didn't even know that? Yeah, so why are you driving? Yeah? Yeah? So that's so then I have like a link to that as well. And I was on the phone to Mum and dad this morning. They were coming back from somewhere and I was coming through the hands free on the in the car, yeah, and I said, I'm doing my friends podcast about films. What was the first film that I watched? And Dad went, I'm the King of the Swingers. Oh yeah, of course it's my favorite answer
to this question. Yead Oh thanks, that's beautiful. Yeah, well, a lovely story. I mean, obviously that was drama, but do you know what I mean? But there's always a little bit drama. I'd like to see that I was like the railway field in it ending. I know, I'd really like to write the film of my dad and his family's lives at some point, but the time hasn't come yet for me to feel like I can take
on the subject, a big old subject like you know, family. Yeah, and also like just I'd really want to be able to shine like I wouldn't want it to be like Ken, like like oh my god, I believably bleak but also brilliant, but I'd like to show like the sort of softer light aside. I think there's something about certain working class people to sort of have this, well it's all gone wrong,
but we're not dead yet. Yeah. Yeah, and i'd say the first sort of some parts of history, my family had very much been those sort of people have like, well, just got carry on. When you talked about that stuff in your stand up, did you have a conversation with your dad saying I wanted to Yeah, yeah I did, Yeah I did. And what was he like, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
seen it? Yeah, I don't think you want me to do and tell you, but I think in the live experience, because then someone else edits it, and it could it could end up being like a very different story because my dad was like, you know, it's like my father was in prison when I was a child, was like briefly was happening to say. I mean, the funny thing is still when it passed half when I was six. I'm thirteen now, so that's been like, get that ship out of my ass. Yeah, twenty six years been being
like that light pastor just won't have it. I think that's fair. That's a really good congratulations, Thank you. What is the film that scared you the most? So, going back to our earlier discussion re Ghosts, The Conjuring I loved Mate, tell you what Conjuring and The Conjuring two. It's a phenomenal horror film. And Annabelle Annabelle is all right, so I've not seen the countrying to cut the first country because it's so stay well, Dan, I think they're
just great. It's yeah, it's a it's a great Yeah. It's a great sort of ghost film in the way of like I find horror quite scary and I'm a bit of a worse with some stuff I like, And also like doing a job like this, you spend so much time, like on the road, staying in different hotels. Last year went and did some shows for the Melbourne Comedy Festival called this Comedy Road Show thing, and we were staying in, like we said, in one place that
looked like bakes motel. You stay in places that are really and so no. And also like I've got quite an overactive brain, so I'm like, oh, like you know the classic like brushing your teeth and thinking there's like final cup, there's going to be a face behind me and the wind in the mirror, you know that sort of thing. But I've got a couple of friends, Joe and Dan, who are a couple who are like two
of my really good mates. They're really into horror, and so for a while a little group of us would go and watch horror films when they came out, and I would say that after Annabelle, I was like, do you know what I'm gonna I don leave this for a bit because it's not really my bag. I'm leaving this VENTI turn down. Yeah, I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving the friendship. I am leaving film club because this
is scary. So the conjuring what is it like nineteen seventies? Yes, I believe ye shot in a way that sort of I'm sure it is high definition, but it's shot in a way that it sort of looks like a seventies film. Yeah. J I mean like it's a little bit superior in places it's not. It's got a good grade on it. Yeah, I guess that's what it is. Yeah, And I found that really scary. So the first one is it? The second one with the nun No, the first one is
with Annabelle. It starts with the doll. Yes, because in the museum, didn't they So there's there's a couple who are like spirit hunters. Yeah. The second one Hunting Story. Yes, I've seen that as well. Yeah, so I've seen all three of them. But they are the same people, aren't they, because it's the same cast and everything. So yeah, just this idea that this doll is possessed and it's it's sucking,
terrifying in places, it's really jumpy. When sometimes when I go and see horror films, I'll just watch like the corner of the screen, so I don't have to take everything in to be like, oh, it looks like as a ghost there or just it's the jumpiness that I find. But it is sort of thrilling, yeah, but also quite I don't know. I sort of like I've not watched a horror film for a while. There is something quite there's something quite exciting about watching them. But I didn't.
I did not care much for parts of The Countring two and Annabelle. I mean, I think even the Counjuring one. I think the kind the first Countrying I thought was a fantastic film, and then the second one it got a bit scarier, and then the third one I just remember being quite exhausted afterwards. I was like, this is too much. I was just like, it's just being like, I can't wait this friend. I can't wait with his friend. It's about Charles Manson, isn't it. That's what it is Annabelle.
Annabel is possessed by someone that kills themselves in Manson's cult right in the house. And the idea is I think that the spirit of that sort of cult number went into a doll, which, of course, when you say it on a podcast, sounds not only ridiculous, but also like one Earth, would you be scared of that? That's silly, But let me tell you, in the pictures, it's scary. It doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, I just think they're I think the Clenduring films in particular. There's lots of those films,
but I think those two certainly are excellent. Yeah, well put together really proper actors in them. Yeah, well, I hear. That's the thing with so many horror films will sometimes not be great cast because sometimes they like to have people that are not famous, which makes sense because you want it to feel like a bit realer, because otherwise you'll be watching and being like, well, there's Hillary Swank.
I know that she's fine because she's Hillary Swanks. She can box, Yeah, exactly, because there's no stools about it, She'll be absolutely fine. Yeah. I find quite a lot of thing. It's quite scary, but I like like the Omen and I really like Rosemary's Baby and sing Quite Female, which they're more like thrillery. So yeah, I'd say that was my I find those sorts. I don't. I don't care much for Slasher, don't care much for blood sore films, nap,
thank you gore, um, but ghost scare me. Well, I don't know what is the film that made you cry? It's quite a few boys don't cry? Okay, great film? You girls do? Yeah, girls do. I'm absolutely weeping right now. Oh Still Alice, fucking Alm. Do you know what. I will be honest with you. I have not seen Still Alice for the simple reason that I see nearly everything
and I loved you the more so much. But I read the synopsis Delis and I thought, I don't quite know why I would be watching this film because it just sounds so fucking depressing. It was really sad. So it's a film about a woman who is diagnosed with early on said dementia or Alzheimer's, don't know. I think I think dementia is when you're old, so I think it's Altzheimer's. And she is basically just sort of like
lose herself. And it's really heartbreaking. Kristen Stewart that she plays her daughter husband Yeah, and it's just oh yeah, I pulled my eyes out. Yeah, it was really sad. Not untirely sure why I watched it, Like it's I mean, she's brilliant in it. She's so great in it. I mean, watch it for a masterpiece in acting. Yeah, and also like I don't know, I guess part of me it's like, you know, some people are living that. That is some
people's lives, don't you know. Yeah, it's really sad. But you know, if you're watching, if you can sit there and watch someone be like stabbed or like you know, or like in store, it's like, oh, the key to the bed rap is in that man's brain. Do you want to give a bed? But if you can watch that and be like, oh, that's fine, then I guess we should all be able to watch stuff like that and go, oh, this is the existence of some people and that's really sad, and their stories are still really valid,
so yeah, watch them. But yeah, I mean there's a moment where she forgets where the toilet is in our own house and worts herself and I bawled my eyes out. I just she's like, where's the bathroom. She goes into the rock, she's going into the wrong rooms and everyone's like, man, you know where the bathroom is, and it's just and then she when then she wets herself and just looks like she's just so great. Yeah, it's really moving. It's really sad. She's a pleading actor. She's a great actor.
What was the other one you said they were the Notebook? Yes, okay, yes, that's lovely. Yeah, I found that very sad. Milk. Yeah, cried a lot of milk. Seanpan's really good in it. Yeah yeah, I mean up, I'm gonna be crier, like oh when Jesse sings True Story three when she Loved Me? Absolutely not the worst. What is the film that it's supposed to be bad but you love it? And this shamily. Most people are like, this film is terrible, critically disavowed.
You're like idiots. I don't necessarily think idiots, but I think I don't care what you think. Love actually great. I like it. I think Emma Thompson's performance the that is magnific. When during that Jonie Mitchell's song yeah breaks your heart, So I say, yeah, that one. I don't don't massively care for Bernardi's character. And apparently there was a lesbian story in it that got cut. Really with
France is still at our really yeah? And is it like an older gay couple in there who are going to be one of the small stories that you know they're all sort of little vignettesa put together. Where did they get cut time? I guess I don't know. Ask Caesar Rappers is working to the lesbian story and also can you just make a lesbian wrong com which is the wrong corm with lesbians and ask him thanks? Than can you also give him my TV? Yeah? Cool? You leave it here? What is the film you loved years ago?
You used to love this film and then you've what's the reasoningly and you've got another idea this doesn't hold up. I found it really difficult this question. I feel like films are in sort of moments, like you know, you can look back at stuff and go, oh my god, people used to like, you know, obviously there's some awful messages in films, or awful like people playing sort of races that they're not and stuff like that, which is like, oh, I found this very difficult to watch now, you know.
I guess stuff like I loved Bring It On, and I loved Sese all that, but then of course I did. I was a teenage girl, yeah, and they were great. Then I don't think that I'd be like jumping into it, like, you know, wanting to go and watch to bring it on now, but I still you know, I still love it. Yeah, but from that time, I remember thinking, I know what you did last time I was terrifying and seeing a bit of a recently and being like, this is not
at all scary. Not the country, No, it's not. And I really like Scream one and two, and then they sort of trailed off a bit. But yeah, I thought that was quite difficult. Okay, Well, if you would like to ignore that question, you can, but bear in mind that all your points are going to be added up at the end, and if you've left an answer empty, that's a zero. Okay, then bring it on. Okay, thank you. It's wronging or nothing. It just used to be. I used to think it was amazing and it might still be.
You haven't checked. I don't know's trying to be positive about films break for your part, and I like it. Okay, if you if you're saying it's because you're being positive, I'm gonna give you five points. That's great. What is the film that has the most meaning to you? This is my favorite question, by the way. Okay, what's the film that is the most meaning to you? Not necessarily the films that great, but because of the experience you had around seeing it. It always means something to you.
I mean, to be fair, Jungle Book is a great answer to this. Yeah, but if you have another one, I do. I went to see so you know my lovely girlfriend, Alice. I absolutely love you, love you girl, Alice. She's great and last year we've been together for a few months, a couple of months, and then just before Christmas, we about three days for Christmas, we went to the BFI to see It's a Wonderful Life, and she'd never seen it, and I love It's a Wonderful Life like
the black and white version. I've got no interest in the colorized one. And I just think it's just such a great story. And it's sort of old fashioned or romantic, and everyone has those sort of Harllywood voices that nobody
ever really talk like. And I sort of love how it's sort of big and camp in places, but like sort of the overriding message of like, I mean, it's sort of similar to Christmas Carol, isn't it, Like you know, this is what would happen if you hadn't have been here, like you know, you like you know, well, it's almost the opposite of Christmas care and the Christmas Carol is like, what the world is better without you? Yeah, the world's better is yeah yeah, so yeah, yeah, I guess we're
reverse of it. And yeah, I love the whole idea of it, and him sort of going from such a you know, the film starting in such a low place of like, oh, this guy's going to kill himself. That that's a really dark way to open a Christmas storm, and then yeah, and then the sort of the journey that he goes on and sort of seeing I don't know, just giving him sort of more hope in himself and him realizing I don't know, I guess the film's about realizing how lucky you are. And I really like Christmas.
Yeah really, I'm really I'm a big kid when it comes to Christmas. I like doing all the like going and getting world wine and going to a wanky Christmas market and walking through the city and people being festive, and I love all of that. I'm a fan. I ve all of it except Christmas kicks. Oh yeah. So yeah, I would say it's really special because then we've been dating for a little while and we knew it was going really well, and I was like oh, we need to go and see this wom I can't believe you've
seen it. Went to the b FI, which it's always loved to going into the pictures, but there's something about going to like sort of either an old fashioned cinema yeah, or someone like the BFI that feels a bit grand yeah and so, and to be in a cinema that's packed. So there was not a seat left and at the
end when the bow rings, everyone burst into applause. Which it was about two days for Christmas, and then we decided to get the bus home back to East London, so that's just on a big double decker bus, and watched people with all their mates and different people doing all their little Christmas things on the way home, and it was like, oh, this is I think this relationship is gonna This is so Yeah, i'd say that. Imagine
if you hadn't liked the film. Yeah, when she cried as well, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's she's the same as me. He's the crier go on weep week. Yeah, that's lovely days. Here we go, ready, yeah, here we go. What film do you think is the sexiest? I think Dirty Dancing is pretty sexy. It's pretty sexy. I remember watching that as being like, guys, this is very rude, or maybe just maybe preteen, remember thinking, say, the Last Dance was very sexy. I mean I think it's dancing.
D Yeah, say the Last Dance. I loved, loved that movie. But yeah, i'd say it on the whole it will be something like that dancing. It's something about Patrick's swayzy. I'm dancing. I'm dancing. It's hot. Yeah, there is a side category. Yeah, so this question, Yeah, Traveling Bone is worrying wide ones a film that you found arousing and thought perhaps I shouldn't. I've heard boys say about being attracted to like you know, I made Marian in the
Disney version. Yeah yeah, but I mean I can obviously see the Little Mermaid's fit. I still know she's a maid. I wouldn't say that I've had an arousing moment, but wasn't like, this is an arousing moment. So what puts you up about the Little Moment is that she's half fish, not that she's a cartoon. It says a little bit of Columai, a little bit Colmo. So you do have an answer with this, No, okay, that is all right, Sorry, you don't these points been answering that weird question? That's good.
What's the film that you most relate to? To be honest, I love watching anything that's has has quick character. Isn't it okay? Because I mean it's happening more and more now, but it's still it's still relatively rare to see a gay woman in a lead role in a film. You can sort of count them on one hand, you know. Carol, Yeah, which is amazing. I love Carol, such a great film. Christmas film too. Yeah, yeah, beautiful, Carol's beautiful, beautiful film.
Oh yeah, it shot so beautiful. It looks like who's that? Is it? Hopper? That it looks like he's paintings, doesn't it Like there's a really famous painting of his where of a woman of people sitting in bastards and it's not bastards, Like yeah, and the whole film sort of has that wash. Yeah. I love that film. I've watched it a bunch of times. Also, if you like that film, look up the s and l Kate McKinnon think of it.
It's so funny. It's so funny. Apparently when they played it at Sundance they put on the s and Now sketch beforehand, and that was very funny, which I really liked. So that then the kids are all right, that's a good film. It's a great film. Gen Julie More, our friend, our friend, Julian. Can you think of any others? I guess it's part of the issue I think currently in entertainment is that now there is a lot of diversity
being addressed. However, it's often like, if you're going to have a queer character, it has to be a queer story, rather than you have a lesbian actor just playing a detective and you mean a lesbian character. Well, yes, it could be, but but but it doesn't have to be about that. Yeah. Yeah, so that the character happens to
be gay rather than that's their story. Yeah, I completely agree, And I think that's the issues that we go all right, we're doing it now, but they're always very specifically, and I think because of that, they end up sometimes not being as mainstream. Yeah. A film I think called Me by Your Name? Did that really well what you thought? Because I think it was quite sort of an loudly
gay but it also just was about a boy's sexual awakening. Yeah, And I think it was it was about another man, but it was very much just a boy's personal journey. I think that's fair, you know, like sort of a old fashioned idea of what every gable he goes through, which might be like, oh, he's being really camp, he's dressing up, he's being really outrageous, which is definitely a role within the gay community, and that is something that's some game men I like. But there's also a lot
of other gay men that don't fit that narrative. But but we see more of that on screen, you know, we do see a lot more of that with gay male stories. I feel like there's still quite a long way to go with having gay female stories. And it's the same in like in sitcoms, in drama, in anything of they're not being you know, I'm not saying like every story has to be gay. It's just like I
feature in loads of my friends lives. Yeah, most of my friends are straight people, not through choice, but just because, especially like comedy, there are you know, there is there are quite a few gay girls in comedy. But a lot of my friends are white straight men, not necessarily white, but straight men. And I guess because and I feature in their lives and it's not you know, the story
is never around my sexuality. I just exist. And I feel like seeing that is really sort of and it's really it's really like connecting when you're a young adult. It really makes you. There's a moment in Mean Girls where they say that one of the girls is gay. The girl that's like the aunty girl who's like, she's like friends with I think he's called Jacob, who's like that. They're her friends at the beginning of the movie, and
then she becomes friends with like the bitchy girls. So there's a bit in the film where they're like, oh, she's I've heard she's a lesbian. And I remember being in a sena thinking please be gay, and she's not. It was like a way to be horrible to her. I remember thinking, please be gay, please be please normalize this for me. And I think it probably happens, hopefully
happens less now, certainly in this country. I mean, obviously, you know gets across the world, isn't that you know, illegal and seventy eight countries punishable by death and ten yeah, and so it's not like you know, the everything's you know, but I just feel like there's so many gay stories that haven't been told and that I think would be
super interesting to a straight audience. You know, in the same way that you know you don't have to be a Serian refugee to really enjoy a film about Serian refugees. You know, it's just sort of and so I think that whenever there's characters in films that are gay, and certainly gay women, it just sort of really tugs at my heart. I loved Pride. I thought Pride was such a beautiful film telling such an interesting story that people didn't know about. You know, these two. If you haven't
seen it, first of all, watch it. But it's about a group of people that are miners in Wales that have been sort of the Miners Strike. They're all striking for pay and safety, and basically the Gay Liberation Front in London, whose headquarters used to be Engaged the World, which is a gay bookshop that still exists in Russell Square.
They basically raised funds to help them, and it's this sort of very sweet story of two different types of people who are very different types of fee people feeling like no one cared and then both saying I'll care. I remember watching it, just crying so much and finding it so moving that these different types of people standing up for each other. And I couldn't believe that it hadn't already been told because if it was like about two rival football teams, there'd be eight films about it
and a series. Yea, if it was a story, you know, if it was a story that But like I think, I guess for a long time people were like, oh, who's going to watch it? And it's like everyone, Yeah, this is what I think, unfortunately, and well, and what's kind of interesting is it is a business. The film is. Yeah, but what like something like Black Panther proved this Black Panther is fucking massive and brilliant and brilliant. I'm not into superhero films at all. Would be cast as a
superhero film, yeah, and I'm not into them. Like I've seen a few, liked some of them, liked a couple of the X Men films, but I'm not a Marvel girl. I'm not into that. And I it totally made me think, oh, maybe I amn't sit and then I'll never I watched
another one. I just loved it. I think so brilliant and such social commentary within a film where you don't not that you don't expect it, but like, oh, you're telling me lots of things by yeah, you know, just this sort of fantasy world, which I guess is what the job of superheroes films can be. But I just thought it was executed so beautifully. Yeah, go on. Well, but the point is that it was considered for a long time a risk to have a black cast. Yeah,
yea one person and women and all sorts. And it's huge and it made so much money, absolute box of a smash. Yeah. It wasn't like only black people went to see it, only women with short hair, you know what I mean. It's like no one went to see it and it was it's a good film. So now you can put more to the business. Yes, not everyone has to be white or male or the story. Yeah, and it doesn't have to be a bounce the black experience or you know, well yeah exactly, because that's not
yeah a story. Yeah, and that's what I hope happens. I mean, I feel like it's great that there's sort of I've you hear about a lot there's there's a lot of gay films that are coming out this year about women and trans films and films about the game. Male Experience is the one that's come out with Nicole Kidman in it. It's about conversion therapy, about them sending people saying I'm really sorry to come from the name of it, but that looks really good. And there's loads
of stuff. And I think that's the thing that is so much room within films and within storytelling, and I think that this is still a long way to go, not a long way to go back, and there's a lot of stories that are yet to be told. And so I say that, I'd say that I get this sort of physical connection to those films where I feel like, you know, this isn't me, but this is highlighting part of the queer history that I am now part of
because of my life. Great thanks what objectively it is the greatest film Before you're going to hate me for saying this, I'm not going to hate you for saying it. The rest I will say for the listener that starts saying in the when I send people the questions, try to avoid ET only because ET pops up in various forms. However, I am making the exception for you, c rather because I do know that Eat is very I mean I have a figurine of him on my mountelpiece. Oh no,
he would be bigger than that, I think. I think I imagine Eat around three foot right, Okay, just definitely depends on the side. Tell okay, sure. I love it. I think it's an amazing film. I watch it about twice a year. I love him, I love it. I love the story between him and Elliott. I love it when he's dressed up as a woman. I love when
he's drunk at school. I mean, Eat is a story and I don't know whether me as a gay person particularly linked to it because I felt like a real outsider as a child, and I think that's the thing about Elliott. Not Et being the outside, but Elliott being the outsider, and then him finding this friend. And I
was a bit of like not weirdo at school. I didn't have a lot of mates, and I found it quite hard to I mean, this is nice therapy, but because of I think, if you're growing up and you are gay, and you are you constantly have this secret in different people that come out really early amazing. But I didn't, and I always had this massive secret. So
because of that, I never could be completely relaxed. Were you always aware of it when I was about twelve or thirteen, Yeah, okay, And then I didn't come out for about ten years. So it was like carrying around a backpack of shame. And when you're always carrying that, it's very hard to relax around people. So therefore I
found it very hard to make friends. And I was a bit of a I was considered to be a bit of a loser, and so there was something in Eat that Elliott was this kid that got sort of he gets picked on right at the top of the film, and his brother's sort of mean to him, and then he has this friend. And I just loved it from when I probably watched it a bit too young, and I think my brother, who was four years older than me, would be like, oh, I don't watch that as scary,
But I loved it. I loved this idea of this little man from our space and there was nothing because it was really kind and his people are kind. Yeah. I don't like it that they've changed the film now so that it's so that the spaceship looks better. Give me the old spaceship. I love that you only set the people from the waist down except for the mum until the last third of the film. Grown ups not people, the grown ups. I love how the siblings come together
to do something positive. There's a car chase, there's like there's a bit of action. There's sort of love, not a romantic love, but a love that Elliot and Eat have for each other and Gertie, the little sister. And there's peril that like you know, you're scared, there's longing for each other. There's it's sort of a sad ending.
It sort of has all these elements. There's moments that are scary that at the beginning moment with the swing and then him being in the in like the shed fit or where they put the bins, and when he rolls the ball back, you know, that's a jumpy moment. Yeah. There's comedy when Elliot's schoolingly that's all the frogs free, when the brother bangs his head, when the brother banks his head, yeah, yeah, so good. When he's dressed as the lady. Yeah, and he does like love it so
much too. Love. Yeah. It's also like a sort of seventies movie, like the dinner scene with the family. Yeah, it feels the improvised, feels like, yeah, loses her cool and she's like, yeah, it so real and yeah, and I think, I wonder, I don't know. I mean, I've seen that. I've got the bonus addition DVD rerelease, of course I do. It's got an extra bonus video and
video DVD. How they make it with your obviously watch and you see all the auditions, and the yellow one is quite famous that he was incredible and they were like, don't take any sort of They filmed his audition and it's just a little kid that goes to a drama club, I think, and they said, we've taken away your friend. And he bursts and tears and has this incredible talent of being able to touch this emotional part of him at such a own age. It's incredible. But the Drew
Barrymore audition is amazing as well. And Steven Spielberg originally saw her Poltergeist but thought she was too light. Yeah, he was like, she's too bubbly. And then as soon as et came along, because the idea was and Drew Barrymore says in It is that she knew that he wasn't real, but she didn't completely believe he was fake.
So I imagine with those sort of family scenes, and because so much of it as children, there's so much like like you know, this classroom scenes of kids that are like ten, it's not like teenagers who are almost adults with children. And I imagine he's the kind of director that just keeps the camera going. But yeah, just keep drawing it in different ways. Yeah, and because I feel like there's I mean, I'm really into it. Really
this is definitely staying you Really you've earned its place. Yeah, I really do have an et as in you related to Elliott and you then like this idea of this friend that appeared. Yeah, I used to have an imaginary friend. Yes, and she lived in my watch. She was called Gemini. Gemini Yeah didn't your watch? Yeah, okay, she was like from space. I think she was green, more like a pink jumpsuit, which is probably from something. But I didn't really believe that she was real. But I used to
play we didn't know she was face. I used to play talking into my watch and then her talking about to me and me running around and being crazy. She wasn't measuringy friend and that like I saw her. I just sort of conjured her up in my brain of who she was. Did you feel that way for ten years that I had to have measuredy friends? No, when I was twenty one, I sort of reined it in slightly. No, as in before you came out, he came out at
twenty end. Is yeah. So for those ten years from twelve when you were aware to nine years, Yeah, did you feel like Elliott? Like? Did it change? You know? I felt very much like an outsider and like I didn't fit, and that I was really ashamed that I didn't fit. That she is sad, but I think now it's but I think that the way that it can be less sad as if there is more. Yeah, well exactly. So you didn't have anything around that showed you the
being was okay? Yeah? No, no, nothing. The only thing I really knew is that Elvin came out and she lost her job. Oh fuck yeah. And you didn't have there were none of your friends, no one else in school and nothing. No one else in school, no friends, an uncle that lives in Germany that I don't really know, a great uncle of my granddad brother like no one else, didn't know anyone gay, hadn't really met any gay people had met a couple of campmen. Did you talk to
anyone about it? No? No, I mean I think it's why therapy now because there's a lot to carry around. But yeah, but but then what stops that happening is people having discussions and what else discussions? Yeah, is you know role models, people in films, that stories being told, visits. Two personal find it fascinating is when when you did come out, if you were went through all this time,
I not speak to anyone. Yeah. Was it that you were like, I can't take this anyone, I have to come out, or was it did something happen that made you feel okay, I can do this. I can tell you the honest thing. And I don't mind you keeping this in, but it's quite bleak. I remember I had a boyfriend who was a lovely, really really nice guy. We were living together or I was like, I don't know if we were living together officially, but I was staying with him for a bit, and it was during
my last year of druma school. I think maybe I was in my second year tow was the ind of drama school, and I remember thinking nothing to do with him. By the way, he was great I remember thinking, if I have to live this life for the rest of my life, i'd seen to be dead. And I remember having that thought and then thinking that can't be the story. You have to deal with this. So have seen after that moment, did you. I went to my friend's house that night, my friend Amanda. I got to Amanda's house
and cried my eyes out and she was amazing. And Matt, her husband's now boyfriend at the time, he was amazing as well, and they would and I just and they knew loads of gay people, and I'd met I'd met a few gay people by this point, but I didn't really have a close friend that was gay. And I totally a couple of my friends of my friend Ruth being amazing and just going to remember telling you my friend's house. Don't moved up his place, the boyfriend's place,
and she said why are you here? And I said, I've left him, and she said why and I said, because I think I'm gay, and she went, I'll put the cattle on. And so my friends reacted in such a blazo way too. I thought it was going to be sort of this far bigger thing, which it was, you know, for me, But obviously, you know, in their lives. It was like, okay, yeah, that's fine. And so I think that I've often identified with outsiders in films or um or in series, or people that aren't quite the norm.
This is two very beautiful stories of turd in. This not very funny, but that's okay, it's all right, doesn't have to be. What is the one film you could watch over and over again or have watched over and over again? Titanic? Really love Titanic almost. I refused to put it in the question what's the bad film that you love? Because it's not a bad play. It's a great I stand by Jack and Rose until my dying breath. Yeah, I love it. I think it's a great film. Okay,
do you want to know why is it? You could? I love Kate Wins, I love Love Dicabrio. I love the story. Yeah, it's very very sea. Um, it's great. I love from the opening. You know, it doesn't look any bigger than the Grand Britannia. It's far bigger, far more luxurious. There's just no pleasing your daughter. I love it. I love the costumes and time, and I love that love transcends class and money. Are you laughing at that. No, I'm coughing. Are you sure? Yeah, i'd like to believe
that's true. We all would. Yeah, I had a really post govern once. I don't think they've transcended it. Did you not? Did you try? Did you sketch like one of your French girls? Maybe that's what you should have done in the end, I think class we couldn't transcend it. Listen, I'm not saying that everything they say is right. We went on a boat, to be fair. I mean, if you're tracking, Yeah, I just think it's a great film. I just think it's a really good film. I think
it's got a bit of everything in it. I think it's a love story. I think Kate Winslet is a phenomenal actress. He is correct. I think Leo is a flomal actor is. I think it's done. I think and I think they're both some people You watch films and you go, oh, they really learnt that. They really don't how to happen, you know what I mean? They're both great in it. They're both great in it. Lovely and love love it. Love that we've got the old lady at the end. Yeah, I mean throwing that away, But
I also love the bit. I love that it like dovetails at the end because halfway through the film, Jackson's to write, when the boat's sinking, Jackson's stros, you're not You're not dying here, You're not dying now. You're going to die an old lady in your rooms, surrounded by photos. And that's what happens at the end of the film. It's lovely when you tell it, I moved yours that the Titanic just moved me more than Titanic. Well, maybe I should sit next to you and tell you how
you ought to feel. Yeah, tell you. Yeah, this is sad. He's coming up to do yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. They're dancing, she said, I to dance on this Normally she's letting her head down. She not literally, but she feels like she's like. That's actually my least favorite part of the film. I said. The best scene is when the mom is doing up her corset and she says, we've got no money. You realize what horrible compromised position roses and she has to marry this horrible guy to
keep her family clothed. Just to Mary, it's really three dimensional man. Billy's name exactly that really complicated three character. That's Yester Mary cal is that his name? He'll never learned that. Yeah, you're my fiance. My fiance trying to my wife. Great, honestly, I really like I think if you ever run out of material due to do tatanic life. Okay, fine, I would paid to see that you could try and make it slightly shorter than the actual film. I'll see
what I can do. I'm not making any promise, Okay, thank you. We don't have to be negative, you and me. I'm naturally not a negative person. Don't like negant other people's work. No, what's the worst we've ever seen? It's more that some films just leave me a bit. I watch one of the Weekend actually that I didn't laugh, The Snowman with Michael Frespender. Okay, I think you can have that. Have you seen it? That's the best part
of The Snowman is the plaster campaign. Yeah. It's really slow, and I know that's sort of the thing with like Norwegian like long landscape shots. Yeah, you know, like and like the music and it's all you know, but Jesus Christ, like it got to a quote where every one was like, if anything happened yet, And I was like, no, not really. Whenever there's a killer, well you know that what happened.
I haven't seen this snow man. And I'm almost interested too, because the director, who's a brilliant director, une involved and it's brilliant, said in an interview on the opening weekend that they had only filmed seventy of the script, so there is chunks of it missing. So I'm not sure it makes sense. Do you know what? It sort of doesn't right. Well, it sort of leads up and you're like, oh, okay, so there's this killer. They're leaving signals or the leaving
a snowman, they're leaving things. Oh okay, you can sort of there's a profile to the kind of women's he's killing. Okay, you can go through all that stuff. But then you realize, oh, one of the detectives is linked to this case in a different way that we didn't expect. Okay, that's slightly interesting. And then it's like, I don't know it was all along. It has done right, so long drawn out there where you're going, God, this must room pop in a minute,
and it just didn't quite get there. And I like fastbender and excellent, and it's based on a bok by Jona's but it's great. Yeah, but okay, that's a good idn't love it? Didn't love it? But I don't mean I don't think it's the worth thing ever made. That was just just didn't the thing was? You know, I think it's most annoying when it's a film that could almost be brilliant. Oh yeah, well everything about that film should be brilliant exactly. Whereas if you're like White Chicks,
which is kind of a funny movie. Yeah, it's a funny movie. But if you're like if you read the synopsis of someone you can go, I could see how that would be awful. Do you know what is it? But no, it's actually really funny. That bit where they're singing making way so funny. So funny. Yeah, really brilliant, But you know what I mean, Like, you know, there's a White Chicks that could be bad having seen it, you know what I mean? Yes, what's the film that
made you laugh the most? Other than White Chicks? Airplane? Great? Love it. I think it's a brilliant film. Love Leslie Nelson almost of Liam Neeson not the same. I'd love to see him, do take it. Oh, talking of Liam Neeson widows what a great film, great film. Loved it, good film, so brilliant by Ada Davis, so much to love. Yeah, such a great film. Loved it. Brilliant film. Just such a cast with so many non white people in it.
Yea for the fact that it's a relationship between a black woman and a white man, and that hasn't got like we was thinking about the gay story. Yeah, it's not that, no part of the script. I mean, it's it's it's not it doesn't need to be addressed. Yeah, And that was just one of the things that I loved about it, sort of retrospectively thinking about it afterwards and reading some stuff about it. But god, I thought that was a great maybe loved it anyway. Back to Airplane. Sorry,
I love it. So funny, so many great lines, so many great lines. You know, this is a bad day to stop smoking crack or came. Yeah. The nun who accidentally unplugs the guy, the guy's life support, the girl's life support, and then she goes like, so funny, it's so ridiculous. I love everything about it. I've watched it loads, and I remember watching it as a teenager and think it was funny, and then watching it as an add it and there's so many hidden jokes that you would
not have. Amount of effort they put it in that film is extraordinary. I think it's I think you'd be hard pushed to find a film that has a hired joke account. Yeah, it's either it would be their film, it'd be naked. Yeah, it's either every line is either a setup or a punch line. Yeah, and that is so rare. And there's sight gags, then there's it's fantastic. Fantastic films usually ends up we get end up on spinal tap, but Airplane probably got even more jokes. I've
never seen spinal tap, I know, I know. I've never seen Star Wars either. Yeah, I know we've got a lovely life. Haven't seen Goonies? Yeah, I know you should wat. Yeah, it's not like it probably feels like a chore because you think it's such a classic place. It's it's really funny. Okay, you'll enjoy it, all right, and you think, well, I think, all right, okay, okay, now, been incredible guests, Thank you. I had some wonderful is real insight and I really
appreciate it. However, when you were cut up by that black van, yeah, you underneath and your biomy is really awful. That's not how I wanted you to go. Did I have all my das that in my backpack? No, you had nothing on you except you had your sketchbook and your your what your ad was a voice rid of you doing impressions. You were just taking the dead ring? Is it radio for? Oh god? Oh god? They know we got to hell them how you were crashed under the van and the van was big, and it's okay,
that's that's Yeah, we've got the gifts. I'm dead, I'm dead dead. No, but it's worse than that because you've been really spread out ever and we've had to clear everything out put you in the coffin. But the coffin was the size of you. But we ended up picking up bits of right as it's a lot more stuff than we thought. Right, we stuffed you in the coffee and now there's any room in the coffin for one
DVD that we can just slide in the side. And when you go to the other side, there's a movie night, and one movie night is going to be your movie nights. What film are you taking to SOA then pride? Fantastic answer. I reckon, I'll already have eat. I reckon, I'll get there and like they'd be like four people like, oh we've watched that on Tuesday, but can we like, oh, you gotta leave it a month. Yeah, it'll be a rule. But I feel like maybe no one else will take
pride like some people will. Maybe, but it's not on every note. No, you can have pride. Thank you, congratulation, Thank you very much, Sue Breast Dallian, love to you, thank you for being on the show. Thank you for having me. It's lovely time in heaven with pride. And good day to you, sir. So. That was the rewind classic with Susie Ruffle. I hope you all enjoyed it.
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