Sarah Marshall • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #209

them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Jamila Jamil, Sharon Stone, and even Clad Plaid Balls. But this week it's the brilliant writer and podcaster Sarah Marshall. Head over to the Patriot at patreon dot com forwards left Brett Goldstein for an extra fifteen minutes of chat secrets, beginnings and openings. Then get the whole episode, uncut and ad free, and as

a video check that out over patron dot com. Forward Nice Brett Goldstein. So, Sarah Marshall is a writer and podcaster. She has an incredible podcast called You're Wrong About, which, if you haven't heard, you must listen to. Takes things you thought you knew from cultural history and fills you in on the stuff you didn't know and makes you see things in a whole new light. It's funny, it's interesting, and it is genuinely profound. I'm very excited to talk

to her. We recorded this one zoom. We've never met before. We had a very lovely time. So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and nine of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by a writer, a podcaster, a journalist, historian, a writer of wrongs, a Captain America for our America, a Portlandia, and a human person please welcome to this show, a legend and a hero.

It's Sarah Bashow. Thank you. That was amazing. God, I just saw this is not a big spoiler. I just saw the new Doctor Strange movie where we have like alternate universe, like Captain Britannica. I don't think that's what she called she's called, but it's Peggy Carter with a big union jack on. So that's my mental image for that that intro, and I encourage everyone to share it

if they want. That's very cool. How are you? You were just telling me and I said, hang on, you're gonna have tell me on the tell me on the podcast. You're living in Portland now for those who don't know Portland, and I don't, but what I do know is where the cool kids live. Now some of us live here. Yeah, to be clear, there are two Portland's. I mean, there's probably another smaller one, but two that I know of. There's Portland, Maine in Portland, Oregon, which was named after Portland, Maine.

And I remember when I was younger, I would say I was from Portland and people would say, oh, you're from Maine, and I was like, no, I'm from the other one. And I think Portland, Oregon has become the main one in the last or the primary one in the last ten years. And yeah, I was just saying that I live in a neighborhood that has something. I'm sure this exists elsewhere, but I haven't seen it anywhere else.

We have a few quote Lingerie modeling businesses. And my understanding of this is that no one is going there to buy lingerie. It's just one hundred percent lap dances. It's like you have a little bit of space, so you don't have enough real estate for a stage or anything. It's just a fully lap dance business. And then I also live close to actually I think a couple of different monasteries, so it's a wonderful town in there. It's all happening, so hanging. I mean, it's a lingerie shop.

What you go in in the day, you pretend to go by lingerie going in for one that does in a dressing room, in a changing room. So as the host of a fact finding podcast, I have to state clearly that like I have not gone inside, I haven't patronized these businesses like anything could be going on. But I suspect and I have pieced together from Yale previews that it's there's no lingerie for sale at all. Like

this is like a euphemism. My theory is that a like one business and I think it might have been I think it's called Honeysuckles, came up with this term first, and they were like lingerie modeling. That's how we're going to explain that's like the euphemism for like some gals and an intimate context wearing a you know, a sexy little outfit and all that follows from that, and that other businesses copied. This again is my theory. But I mean, this conversation is making me realize I need to just

go in on this question. You need to do an entire episode on it. Yeah, you do. For those who don't know you're most famous. Well, if I may, who knows certain it's me? For your podcast you're wrong about if anyone is not listened to it, it's very very excellent and it is about you. Well you can tell us tell the people who don't know how you would pitch that podcast, And then I wanted to talk to you about why and how because it's very very brilliant.

Thank you. I mean, I feel like it's something that encapsulates it. Well, is that before I did this show, I would often when I was a freelance writer, try to picch stories based on this idea of like what if we revisited something that was a major media sensation and just like caught up with it. We're just like, hey, like, what was that all? About what does it look like

now if we look at it now. And I remember pitching Baby Fisher and also a case that I think was known as Baby m It's been a while since I looked at it, but it was kind of the moment when surrogacy, I think as a phenomenon became national news to Americans, And in pitching those stories and a lot of others, a response I tended to get was like, this would be worth talking about if you had like a new interview with Amy Fisher, Like if you could go like be like, here's what Amy Fisher says now,

but like there's nothing really Like I think the calculus set editors are always trying to do is some kind of balance between what they care about, what they think it's important for their publication or for journalism to be doing, and then the question of like will people click on this, which I assume is not that different from the old question of like will people see this headline and want

to pick up this newspaper and buy it? And the calculus people were doing then was like, there's not an appetite for revisiting news stories from the nineties, if there isn't some like bombshell new twists that you're getting from a new interview with someone who was part of it. And I feel like now most of TV is doing that, So I do feel like I have been proven right. Well.

I listened to the to The one that I started on was the Tom Cruise Cipher one, which is like a really small thing, but it's so brilliant and how you structure it, it's like it's almost like a detective story and it's profound. It's profound because you go, here's the story that you know, here's everything you remember, and then here's the truth and here's a tiny detail that you didn't know that changes everything, and it's you know,

it's like it's pretty profound. What you're doing is it is that whole thing of there's the four versions of the story. You're version, their version, the truth and what really happened. And I feel like you're doing number four,

or at least attempting to. That's the goal. Yeah, And I think I mean the Time Cruise on the Sofa one is such a great example because like, in order to talk about that, we have to talk about what technology existed at the time and how this was in this little moment in history when we could all know that that had happened, we could very widely circulate images or like little bits of the clip, but generally people saw it and still images that one around as I

think how a lot of people remember it because it was just slightly before that would have gone viral as a YouTube video or a TikTok. Yeah. Yeah, And it's context. Everything is context always, and that's so it's context and presentation. I don't know, it's really really you're really, you're really up to something. I think like I was even watching the video today and it was a nice video, like

popped up on minu scrip. It was very lovely and it was a rescue dog with their owner and it was like day two of this recue dog with the owner. The rescue dog was just hugging the owner. It was really really like a lovely minute video. But the video also had classical music on it and it was edited

and it was like a compilation. And I'm not saying that that isn't what happened, and that may have been the feeling of the thing, but I was like, I'm watching this lovely thing, but I'm also watching this tailored, edited lovely thing that isn't showing the dog pissing and shitting, and isn't you know whatever that isn't showing me the whole story, is showing me what the person wants me to see, which is is this lovely, beautiful thing. It's storytelling.

Everyone is just telling a story, and you leave out what you want to leave out right and there and there's and that can be very sinister, and it can also be just completely innocent, because yeah, I think that's just how humans absorbed and convey information. What made you so obsessedible is do you know there is there an inciting incident in your life? I mean, I'm definitely have always been the kind of person who has been like,

really bothered by an accuracy. Um And I think I've really softened about this over time, weirdly considering the path that history has taken in the last few years. But I think actually making the show has allowed me to understand that, like, whenever anyone is trying to tell the truth, they are by definition telling their truth. And many things are so many things that we will sincerely believe happened because that's the best that we can access it, or

that's what feels true. Um And Also, my memory has gotten worse as I've gotten older. I think kids have incredibly good memories, or at least I had a fantastic memory, and now I don't. But interesting, but I think, I mean, what's funny is that the first media sensation I can really remember clearly, it wasn't about a person. It was about Keiko the orca, who came to live on the Oregon Coast. On the Oregon Coast Aquarium after the events of Free Willy essentially predicted what was going to happen

in his actual life. Do you know that story? No, I don't know. It was so fascinating. I mean, have you seen have you seen Free Willie? To be firm with mister Blood from Reservoirs? Yeah, exactly, co starring with an orca and and so Free Willie Is was also filmed in Oregon. It was filmed as a few movies were at the time, and the sort of magical mystical geography where you're in a storia and then you're in Portland and then you're in a story again and you've

just been walking around, which would be so great. And it's about a boy who befriends an orca and so in order to cast an Orca, they cast this organ named Keiko, who lived in a pretty small, like not adequate to his needs tank at an amusement park in I want to say Baja California again, that's my best guest, but like, I'm almost positive it was somewhere in Mexico

and they filmed the movie. They filmed the Keiko scenes at the I think entirely at the water park where he lived, and then after it came out, everybody loved it. The little boy freeze the whale, The whale swims back out to see and finds his pod. I guess he's not a whale, but you know he's in Orca. See, I'm just making If I had heard myself at eight years old calling an a whale, I would have been very angry. And now as I'm saying that, I'm like,

but are they a whale? They're related to dolphins, right. I guess The point is that nobody knows anything and we're all doing our best. But anyway, he's reunited with his family. And then the movie came out and everyone was like, Okay, that wow, what a great movie. I'm very inspired. What happened to the whale to the orca who played free Willie, what's his situation And it was like, Oh, yeah, he's living in an adequate tank for his needs, just like in the movie before he was rescued by the

Little Boy. And so it became just this year's long media saga that first he was moved to the Oregon Coast Aquarium and became this fantastic tourism draw for the aquarium and for the area, and then eventually was moved to Iceland and reintroduced to to the wild. But when I was in second grade, we went to see Keiko at the aquarium and it was my first experience of celebrity, and I think I always knew that like that that always stuck with me because it was just so weird.

And I remember my own personal response was like everyone is looking at this orca and so I am going to ignore Keko because that fits some kind of weird kid logic need that I have to be unique or to be different, or you would trying to stand out from you. Why is she not into me? I must I think that's what I wanted, right, I think I wanted Keko to Yes, I think I was negging Keko and it was like even now, and I think even at the time, I was like, what a weird what

just happened to me around this famous mammal? Did it work? Did Kea start swimming over to your side of the tag that talks of face? I don't. I don't think so. I think that my ploy didn't work, you know, But that was my first understanding of the fact that celebrity does really, really weird things to people. Sarah M I've forgotten to tell you something, and actually, god, I should probably like I should have told you this earlier. Fuck, I think you're going to be annoyed at See you've died.

You're dead? Oh yeah, are you okay with that? I thought this might happen, you know, it's okay. Yeah, how did you die? I mean I've always assumed it would be vending machine death. Well, I'm stuck inside vending machine and I have to cut it off like one hundred or guess, like it falls straight on you because you're shaking it because the thing got stuck. Yeah, because I was at the airport and I wanted the one thing I wanted was gummy worms, and then that's stuck in

the thing. So yeah, but it was quick and you know, no regrets with lots of people around. Or was it a busy airport? Why am I picturing this happening at the Minneapolis Saint Paul Airport? I guess because I'm going there soon. M Yeah, so like busy airport, but like that's a nice airport to die, and it's not too chaotic. It's like nicely appointed. People are polite. You're you're not like fully enraged before you get crushed by a vending machine.

Oh for gummy, do you worry about debt all the time? Talk to me. You've come to the right place. I mean, my worry. The main thing I worry about at this point, honestly, is that time feels like it's moving faster. And what I've heard is that it will keep feeling like it's moving faster as you get older and older. So, like, what if I live a very long life and I feel like I'm only you know, like, say I get to live until I'm eighty five and I'm thirty four, so say I'm like only I can't do math, but

like I'm less than halfway through. What if the remaining fifty years actually only feel like twenty like that's the thing that most freaks me out. I've never thought about that. Oh, so that you're not halfway, you sort of arrive halfway because time is spade of time is increasing. And then I feel like the solution to that is like you have to learn mindfulness because I think time rushes by if like, if you let the minutes rush by, then the days will. But then like, yeah, so it's literally

like death versus my YouTube habit, which is a weird situation. Christ, you've done it this time, You've really done it this time? Sorry, what do you think? What do you think it happens? Alhread you die? It's weird. It's so hard to imagine because I tend to assume that I won't have consciousness, So it's hard to imagine a lack of consciousness, Like I do the cliche thing of imagining just like darkness, but like when you go to sleep, you don't it's

only dark until you're asleep. I don't know. I think that's part of the freaky thing of it is that there's, as far as I can tell, there's nothing that's remotely like it in our lives. Well, maybe sleep is a bit like it. I can see that it sleeps fucking weird. I mean, it's fucking weird that we sleep, and it's fucking weird what happens when we sleep. It's fucking weird. It is really weird. We don't reflect on this enough. It's really weird that we literally just like, like the

needs of a human being are incredible. I was just thinking this morning. I was like, wait, I'm hungry now. I just made dinner last night and I'm hungry again. I have to feed myself again, and we fed because I have to switch yourself off. It's mad. You have to find a safe place to power down, so that like a place where no one will attack you while you're unconscious, like you know, really you have to know where that's going to be every twelve to twenty four

hours or you're you know, like that's very high maintenance. Yeah, and kids are fucking stupid for ages. Babies don't walk phrages. I mean, we're quite rubbish, interesting compared to an orca. Yeah, it's embarrassing, Keiko. Yeah, which I always remember because when this field stripe was happening, my dad, who's Australian, would say, Cake, you're going to see cake hole, and I was like, no cake at this time. I'm going to ignore her

so much. I'm going to say I don't even gonna see it, and then she'll know, You'll know I was the special one. It's going to stay in the gift shop. Yeah. Oh my god. Well I've got news for you. There's en afterlife and it isn't actually like when you sleep. It's more like heaven. And it's filled with your favorite thing.

What's your favorite thing? Movies of course? Okay, Well, it's made out of those vhs sort of Disney VHS cases that used to get at quite thick and sort of play Warner Home Video as well, exactly like quite bouncy like plastic, and the chairs are made out the walls are made of that, and their screening rooms everywhere celluloid, you know, like that word clip that pops up on Microsoft. There's people walking around, but they're like just cands of celluloid. Anyway,

everyone's really happy to see you. They're really excited, and they want to talk about your life, but they want to talk about your life through film. First thing they want to know is first question they have, what's the first film that you Sarah Mars you'll remember seeing. This is such a funny one to try and answer, because I have to try and think about it chronologically. Like I know, the first movie I saw in a theater was Beauty and the Beast, but I don't remember it.

But what I do remember is my parents watching Batman Returns. Chad to have been in nineteen ninety four, and I remember it so well because I was terrified by the scene where Selena turns into Catwoman. So I think that's the first one watch starting at home. Well you've I mean you've you've started with two of my favorite films, Beauty and the Beast and Batman Returns. That is two absolute bangers. Wow, it's a good time for movies in

many ways. Yeah, are you? And any child may ask, Yeah, okay, so you wondered in your mum devil watching Batman Returns and you were frightened by the cat I think my parents just would let me watch whatever they happen to have on because I also remember watching The Piano when I was extremely young, and I think they were just like, she won't pay attention. I think they thought it was like having the dog in the room when you're watching the Piano. But I saw everything. Yeah, that's it's a

hardcore film. Fingers get chopped off. There's sex. Yeahs Penis is all sort of going on a net and a piano. Harvey Kytel, who I continue to find attractive, so I feel like there might have been some imprinting. Nothing wrong with him. Batman Returns is the best Batman agree on the front. Yeah. And it's also such a great Christmas movie. Great Christmas movie. Everyone is doing peak performances, myself Ifer off the scale, Danny DeVito scary, who knew he could be? Scary? Terrifying?

Michael Keagan coolest fact, Christoph Walkad, Yes, please, what a film? Nothing wrong with it? Love it. Sarah Marshall, great name. But were annoyed when forgetting Sarah Musky out? Is that problem for you? Yes, because I was like, god, damn it, I have this whole plan for world domination in Jason Siegel has like beaten me to the first impression. It's trying to get you. Your name is raised, Yeah, but no one forgets the name. That's true. Well, it's funny.

I was watched I Saw Men the other day and I really liked it. A lot of people have hated it. It met all of my needs as a horror fan. I'm excited to see it really really gross finale. Yeah, it ate out of ten from me. But the main character is named Harper Marlowe, and I remember being like, that's like, that's such a cheesy fictional character name that they have like a recurring like r R sound, And I was like, Sarah, you literally have that name. You

are that fictional character name? That's any funny? Speaking of horror, what's the film that scared you? Demist? It seems you like being scared, do you? I do? I wish I had an answer, a different answer for this question throughout my life, but it's the Texas Chansaw Massacre. I saw it when I was fifteen or sixteen, and nothing has ever come close since. And I've seen it many times and it still works and the original of course. Why do you like horror films? Do you think? I only

ask because so many people don't. I love them, Yeah, and I think everyone's got different take on it. Why do you like them? Yeah? So many people don't. It's funny because like I don't really like reality TV, like if I'm with people who are watching it, or if we can become invested in, like a season of a show. I get into it, but to me, it's like, you know, I get why people like it, I just don't like having my time wasted to that extent because like it

goes on for so long. They like stretch out the material so much, and like an episode of The Bachelor, I feel like is longer than most horror movies, more horrific. Yeah yeah, yeah in many ways, and right because because a lot of that creeping tansion is never resolved in the Bachelor. But right, and I mean one thing is a horror movies very rarely waste your time. Like I think average horror movie length is about eighty minutes. Yea, they get in, they get out. There's a million of

them because they're not that expensive to make. So there's better odds that you're going to find something weird or experimental or that caters to your specific needs as an audience member. But that's all. That's not that persuasive. I mean, can you watch The Money You're right? Yeah, no, I love that, And it's actually that's easier for me than watching any other kind of movie. I think, because horror, like,

if it's working, it's easy to stay focused. You don't want to step away and miss something you want to It's easier for me to be submerged in that world. And I think I like being scared for the same reason I like spicy food, Like it's a little bit counterintuitive, It's like, why would we like to cause pain in ourselves?

And yet to me, the experience of eating like a really spicy dish is like it starts to happen, and then it's happening, and then you're like weeping and drinking water and you're like in the grips of them this over sensation that's bigger than whatever was going on for you before, and you're just I think being forced to focus as part of it. I think I often have talked about how I think horror can be great for

people with anxiety. It's great for me partly because it's like, and this is also why I specifically love the Final Destination movies, is that I'm always trying to sort of play three dimensional chest to figure out how something could go horribly wrong. So it's like the movie is like, they're there, let us do it. We'll tell you how it could go horribly wrong, and we'll do a better job than you could and then and your brain just

gets a break. It's like there's this little hamster wheel that gets to stop spinning for a couple of hours because the big hamster is in charge. But also I think it's probably like good for people maybe with ADHD, which I also definitely have a lot of, because you just it's easier to just be thinking about and looking at one thing. And yeah, I think it's because it feels like it takes me out of my brain, and like my brain is often a more unpleasant place to

be than whatever movie I want to watch. Yeah, that's a great that's a really good answer. I think they can serve a good purpose in the world. Well, the text is fucking horrible. I really it's very unpleasant. It is. It's it's so good at what it does, which is to be horrible. Yeah, what's the film that made you cry the most? And now you a crier? I am a crier. I'm a giant crier, town crier, I am

the town crier. Um. What's funny is that when I was like, this is the question that makes me think of Titanic, and yet I know that that's not the answer for me. I was one of the seventy five people who saw The Fall when it was in theatrical release, and and I was fat, and I remember going back to see it multiple times, hardly because it made me

cry so much. Like I was in at the end of some sort of a period where like there have been some kind of a blocking somehow, and I hadn't cried in a really long time, and it was some sort of I still don't really couldn't really say why. I haven't walked in a long time, but it was this gigantic emotional release and that was like my crying movie of the decade. How can you even describe that movie? Yeah? Why that one? Do you think in particular? I mean,

I love it, but it's quite an unusual choice. Do you know what it was about it? Yeah? And it's also like I struggled to even say what it was about. I mean, it's essentially like Lee Pace is a silent movie actor. He's I think broken his back trying to do a stunt. So he's recovering in a hospital where he's friends with this little girl who's hanging out for

reasons I forget. I think she's also there because she has a broken arm, and he starts telling her this allegorical story that it and this is by the director of The Cell, So it's like The Cell, but with

most serial killers. And so I think it was just I don't know, I would describe it as like just that maybe the sheer overwhelm of the visuals combined with the music, because it really prominently features Beethoven's Seventh Symphony, I think, and I don't know, it's just it's a great example of I think what movies can do, which is just to sort of like provide this sensory experience that kind of runs into you like a freight train.

And like, I'm sure there was stuff about the story that I connected with and had that effect on me, but I yeah, I mean, I mean, I think I'm actually afraid to go back to it because what if it's not as effective now? And you know, that's always a fear. Sounds like it was like the dream of it, like with a David Lynch film or something. You're just, yeah, I can't, you know, I raise ahead, I have no idea.

I can't tell you why it's so fucking scary. Yeah, I found that I'm so terrifying, and I cannot really tell you why other than I felt absolutely scared it. Yeah, And yeah, it's because something you're fully, fully inside of. Yeah, what's a film that most people don't like. It wasn't critically acclaimed, but you love it. You don't care what they say. I mean, this is a tough one because there are a lot of movies that I love that I know are bad. Like I know show Girls is

a bad movie. We know that about it, but we know it's good as well, I don't we do. Oh, yeah, it's a classic. Yeah, it's definitely. It's there's a lot going on. But I mean one where I feel kind of genuinely surprised by people's reaction to m is Flashdance, which also is a Joe Ester Haws film. And I first saw it, I think when I was thirteen, so like kind of the perfect age to first see it. And I think there's just like, I know, the story

falls apart. I know it's a symptom of like Joe aster Haas's inability to write women, um or anyone really and like the whole it's just like such an absurd kind of ninety minute long music video. And yet on the other hand, it's a ninety minute long music video. Yeah you guys, a bucket Woods undermastn it. I mean it's still good stuff. It's just like they're Yeah, I feel like people are left cold by it or it's become a little bit of a punct liner. Like I

feel like people don't really watch it anymore. Like people really they still watch Dirty Dancing. I think they still watch the Goonies, but I feel like Flashdance is like iconic without being watched as much by people as other kind of classics of the time. But it's just it's like some kind of esthetic peak that just is beautiful to behold. And just you know, I just I do.

I love any movie where people like characters walk into this movie and they don't even say hello, they just launched right into a monologue about how they did or didn't give up on their dream. That's very good. On the other hand, what's a film that you used to love but if what's recently and you've gone I don't

like this anymore. Yeah, guy, Okay, people are going to fight me on this, but I think that like The Lion King, while being beautiful and having amazing music and being so important to a generation has a completely meaningless story. Whoa Jesus Christ? What is happening here? I know what the story of Hamlet is meaning this, It might be well, yeah, right, one of the key features there, but I mean specifically, and this is partly this is me displaying a grudge

against Jeffrey Katzenberg. And I know that, and you can

take it that way because that is true. But Jeffrey Katzenberg has said, like, this is a movie that was so important to him personally because it reflects his life and his experience, and I just feel like I know exactly and I and I don't know what that's about, but I think I assume that in a generic way, it's about like having to step up and kind of step into manhood for whatever combination of reasons, or about acknowledging that Michael Eisner will never love you or something.

I don't know, but like, but the I mean the story, like I don't know, maybe that did happen to Jeffrey Katzenberg and that's why he can't launch a good streaming service. Um, that's why you know. It's like it's there's so many wonderful elements to it, but to me, the kind of the overarching stories, like Simba has to come home and rule the Pride Lands, and he's qualified to do this because he's the protagonist. And yeah, well he's also it is a big, beautiful name. Yeah, and he's he's all

grown up. But just like you know, it's it's part of the thing. I feel like Nala could have done a great job. You know, she's kind of she's been around this whole year. Sure she could, but did she want it? That's the problem. She didn't even put herself forward for it. And I'm not saying it happened in a world where there wasn't the opportunity for her. Maybe that's the issue. Yeah, maybe she wants to focus on

her art. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. She could have done the job, but she never spoke up about it. And that's part of the problem with the culture with the lan Cake. It's true, it's well and also just I mean, it's a problem when you're and this is true of a lot of Disney move Maybe it's not a problem, it's just it's a feature of some kind when like your most lovable memorable character is the villain and where we're like, yeah, he's he's bad at ruling

the pride Lands. But what a song? Yeah, banging song he does get so. Yeah. So what is the film that means the mice to you? Not because the film itself is any good, but because the experience you had watching the film always makes it special. There are a lot of choices possible for this one, but to me,

the answer is Candy Man, because the original. Yeah, because I And when I was in college, I took a class to fulfill my credit requirement for my English major that was on vampires and film, and I was taught by a wonderful professor named Grace Styllan, And so I think we probably watched a scene from Candy Man, and I became so fascinated by it that I then watched it and watched it again, and I remember just like feeling conscious that there was some kind of a very

overt symbolism at play there, and feeling like I needed, like I loved how it was structured like a fairy tale in a way, and I felt like I needed to sort of like I had grown up feeling that having to write about novels and stories and things was a way of ruining them. And this was the first time that I felt like, no, like, it is very

important that I try. And I remember writing this like like thirty page paper on Candy Man, just like trying to use academic language that I really couldn't couldn't use that well at the time, but just feeling like just like I needed to express my thoughts on Candy Man, and that, you know, I think as a direct result of that, I ended up going to grad school and I was in academia for literature for several years, and that's you know, completely baked into everything that I do now.

So yeah, it was Candy Now what really does relate to again, like so many things, but I'm thinking of a lot of kind of teenage age experiences, I guess

because this is when the responses are so powerful. But I remember watching Dead Poets Society as a teenager and just having one of those like this is me now moments, and specifically with the Josh Charles character who like falls madly in love with a random girl and like bursts into her classroom to read a poem to her and is just like, yes, like I am going to give

myself over to be completely animated by big feelings. And I think that was really what I saw in myself in that movie was just sort of the teenage experience of like seeking out big feelings because I and like, I'm sure there are a lot of teenage girl characters who do that, but I think they're harder to find. And I think that, you know, until women write, female characters were going to exist much more as like somebody to be one over or not. Yeah, that I was.

That felt like a model for child feeling. Fully. Yeah, I am, Josh Charles. Can you see that? I totally get that. What's the sexiest film ever made? Sary mysel. So this is what I just saw recently. Um, I think it's the age of innocence. Oh and just like because many things are sexy, but I think that it's extremely sexy for two people to just be like wanting each other for decades and to not be able to ever extinguish that flame. And you've got Missiel favit, so

you've won, You've won the battle already. Yeah, it's a great film that just undress her hand, just take it. Yeah, you don't dress the hand and their foot does the undress effort? About my dad? Is it just a hand? I can't remember, but I remember the hand I lovely hand out. It's also that film has got such a good twist at the end. Yeah, great film. There's subcategories

to this question, Sarah Marshall. Yeah, I don't know to have it that well, but I'm afraid here we are troubling bund is worrying why dons a filmy funder browsing

that you weren't sure you should have? Okay, so I can't be the only one here, but I think that Bill Paxson's character in Near Dark is a hot, hot hottie and every like every time he does anything, which is mostly being a vampire, I just he's I'm so attracted to that character, and he would just immediately drink my blood and without any like poetry about it either, he would just go from just challenging it. I thought you're gonna say Bill Packson in Weird Science. Now I's

gonna be like, yeah, that is trouble. Oh yeah, yeah, yes, not so much. A little bit of aliens. He's got some charm and aliens. Yeah, that's a lovely You could absolutely have that, Sarah Machio. Objectively, what is the greatest film of all time? Might not be your favorite but it's the pinnacle full film. If I'm gonna make it easy for myself, I'll say greatest of all time horror category,

great returns on minimal budget category. I would say the Texas Jansaw Massacre because it is this incredible act of alchemy where like just all these young people who didn't really know what they were doing came together and made incredible art. Gosh, best of all time, you know what. Okay, I'm going to say Paris, Texas, and that's just a complete I'm just just going for it. There are a million reasons why I could second guess that, but like, yeah,

I'm gonna say Paris, Texas. Why Paris Texas for you? I think because it's a Western in a way, which if we're talking about kind of greatest American film, which is kind of the only thing I can speak on, it's like honoring and subverting that tradition, and it's not done by an American director, and so you can kind of fully see all the way around all the corners. I think of what the Western is and see it a little bit more objectively. It's about men and love

and intimacy and sort of family falling apart. And coming together. It's beautiful, it has beautiful music. It's put together in a way that makes it more than the sum of its parts. And I think it's also just it sort of like I think maybe the kind of pinnacle for me and you can get this a lot of different ways is just to be fully immersed and to have that experience, whether you can see it in a theater

or not. But the kind of that to me kind of highest high point of moviegoing experience of the lights come up and you're like where am I? Who am I? Yeah, And it's just fully disorienting in that way, like you come back into your body at the end, and then you feel, Yeah, it's the pursuit of big feelings. I guess love it. What is the film that you could or have? What's the most over and over again? Sarah Marshall. I think it's probably Aaron Brockovich because that's been my

they feel good movie for like ten years. Yeah, I've watched it probably fifty times. That's a nice one. Yeah, you know I always remember about that is how how bloody classy The end of the trial is that you don't get this big courtroom thing, you just telling one person Is that right? I do that? Yeah, yeah, they go choose the person it all started with, and an Aaron Eckart gets to be like, Okay, I guess I

do see like something important was happening while I was babysitting. Yeah, ah, what a nice I'd say, what's the We don't like to be negative, Sarah Marshall. What's the worst film you've ever seen? Okay, High Tension? The French horror movie? You seen that one? Yeah, what is it? I don't think I have seen it, and I've forgotten what it is. Tell me what it is. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna

this is the spoilers. Um. So, it's like these two French girls, actually one of them is American but whatever, and they're going to the one of the girls family house for a weekend or something, and then this trucker shows up, the scary trucker rapist guy, and he kills the family and he's chasing the girls, and like the friend who's the main character, is like chasing after him. She's going to take him down and she's going to save her friend. And then the twist reveal at the

end is that she was the trucker. The entire time, it's like Nicholas Cage's stupid script and adaptation. Yes that she was also the trucker and she killed everyone and she's a crazy and evil because she's a lesbian. And this movie came out like we watched it when I was in college, and I think it was pretty recent, so I think it came out in the early two thousands. And it's just like it's like like the twist, it's like a full wammy, Like the twist is really stupid.

It invalidates everything you've experienced. And it's really homophobic. Wow, very bad. Do not watch? Okay, fuck, I won't. Was was that great title? Yeah? High tension? Highly offensive? What is the funniest film? Was the film that made you laugh the most? This one is like, this is hard. This was the hardest one for me to think of

for some reason. And I feel like, I like, I have to assume that it's missus doubtfire, like just thinking about like the the years of it being funny for me and kind of the thing that I've most like the Robin Williams movie that I watched the most. I was thinking about it and like this one is the hardest to remember. But I was like, it's probably a Robin Williams movie, and so that makes me eliminated down to Missus Doubtfire. I haven't watched it in many, many years.

Does it hold up, does it have any Is it fine? I think I mean it, Yeah, it definitely does. Like in some ways you're like, oh no, mainly like the like the oldest kid's reaction when he finds Missus Doubtfire

peeing standing up like that. I think his aged especially badly that moment, but like to me in general, like and I feel the same way about Titsy, and I think people, you know, there's probably like a whole big range of opinions on this, but I feel like they're both movies about like men having to live as women making them better men, which I think like seems true as a concept then probably would be true for anybody. Yeah, yeah,

that's the concept makes sense. Sarah Marshall, you have been excellent. However, when you were at Minnesota Airport next week and it wasn't that busy and you weren't that stressed, and for an airport experience, you actually haven't quite a nice time, and you got through, you know, the security bit, you got through the worst bit, and you were like about to relax. There was a whole row of chairs available

for you to sit on. Air conditioning was set just right, and you thought, you know what, you know what, this needs gummy worms. And you went to a machine and you had enough coins. You put the coins in and then the gummy worms. The rotating thing with rotating a bit, and the gummy wins felt but just against the glass stayed up top, and you were like fuck, and so you started like shaking it a bit. It was very heavy. People were looking at you and you're like, don't mind me,

I'm happy, go luck it. And you were shaking it. You're shaking it and you were like, I mean love with an abusing rowing, he said, And they said, okay, she seems fine. And then you shook it so hard. You shook it one way and shook it the other way. But it's very heavy, this vending machine. It was filled with gold and it fell onto you backwards. You landed on the ground. The machine went straight onto it crushed all your internal organs and your outer organs, and your

face and your skull and most of your bones. All the people that were sat around on the other chairs were like Jesus Christ. That was a shock. And then as an announcement came on and said the flight leaving for New Yorkers even now, and they went, oh, well, we should probably get get our plane. And so most people were left and I was walking past with a coffin which I just got through security, which surprised me because it was filled with drugs. I emptied the drivers like,

oh who she is? I lift up, I get some security guys, I get one of them cars. We lift up the vending machine and you are You're almost liquid. The good news is it doesn't look like you spend a lot of time dying. It feels like I'm pretty quick. But I have to get a hoover industrial sort of vacuum suck up all the pulp and there were just little bits left over. You. But there's a lot of goo, if I may no disrespect, but that's what it feels like.

And then I pump it all into the coff but I am really yeah, it's the big pile of goot. It's a let of goo, lovely goo, nothing wrong with it. We're all made of it. Pup the goo into the coffin and it's faulk It's like a swimming pool in there, swimming pool the goo googol goo coffin. There's really no room in this coffin now. There's only enough for room to put one DVD, slip it in the side of the goo, let it float on top, and for you to take across to the other side. And on the

other side. There's a movie night every night. What film are you taking to show the celluloid creatures of heaven when it's your movie night, Sarah Marshall. So, I just saw this the other day for the first time in a movie theater that was showing it for one night. I would bring tampopo because I think that it would appeal like I would enjoy watching it many times in eternity. And also I feel like it's like exactly the sense of humor that people in heaven would probably have or

various parts of the afterworld. It's a fancy answer, yeah, a fancy answer. So nice to have a fancy films up there, Sarah Marshall. We shall not forget you. Is there anything you would like to tell anyone to look out for or listen to? Then you're incredible. You're wrong about podcast, which I highly Yeah, I'm fond of it. I recommend that show. And then I have another show, You Are Good, a feelings podcast about movies, which you should come on anytime. But we would only talk about

one movie as opposed to many movies. But yeah, it's what I don't know, but it's I mean, we try and go seasonally with our picks, but it's the same. I don't know. I think our focus is like like we probably we wouldn't do Tam Popo. That would probably be too like not sort of widely known enough by

people already. So we I think we do a lot of movies that like people already like but maybe don't feel like they have reasons for liking, and we're like, here's why you like this movie, and try and you know, have on somebody to talk about something that they love. I think, like when I don't really know, when I doubt everything about what I'm doing, I always remember that,

like I'm making tones among other stuff. And if you can hear people talking for an hour about something they care about and something they love and it isn't like related to white supremacy, then like you're putting in, you're putting good tones out there. It's like reverse pollution. Yeah, so I recommend I believe that. That's great. That's great. Yeah, all right, well, thank you Sarah mar So. You've been brilliant. Thank you for your time, and I hope you have

a wonderful death and see you soon. Take care, see you at the movies, see you there. So that was the episode two hundred and nine. Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com, forward slash break Goalstein for the extra chat, secrets, video openings, closings, the lot. It's all there. You'll love it at Patreon dot com, Forward slash break Goalstein. Thank you so much to Sarah for giving me her time. Thanks to Scrubius Pit and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Body Piece for producing it,

Thanks to a Gas for hosting it. Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics. At least a laid them for the photography. Come and join me next week for another Banger guest. But that is it for now. In the meantime, I hope you're all well. Thank you for listening. I hope things are good with you all. Have a lovely week, and please now more than ever, be excellent to each other. It was uncrast money, was uncrust money. It was uncross moneys that he was uncross money.