Rich Wilson • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #184

Michelle Feiffer in it. There you go, another mystery solved. Here at Films to be Buried With. Every week I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that mean the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Jamila Jamil and even Led Damballs. But this week it's the brilliant writer, actor and best looking comic on the UK stand up circuit, mister Rich Wilson.

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of countries. So go and watch him if you have the time and enjoy your lives. Thank you very much, so Rich Wilson A Rich Wilson is an excellent stand up comedian. He's a lovely, lovely man. I've done loads of gigs with him. I've been, I've done, I've been, I've been all over the place with him. He's wonderful. He's also an actor, he's a rising he's got his own podcast. It was so great to catch up with him, and I think you're really gonna love it. So that

is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and eighty four of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein and I am joined today by a hero, an actor, a writer, a podcaster, one of the finest stand ups of his generation, a lovely boy, a podcaster and let's face it, the best looking man on the U play comedy circuit. Please welcome to the show. It's the wonderful, it's the brilliant. It's mister rich Willson. Hello, Hello,

Rich Wilson. Hello's so lovely to see you. Lovely to see you. And no, it's funny. When I was listening, I was, you know, you listen to a few to get a feel for it, as you know you said in the thing, have a listen. I've listened to some before, and the bit where you're introducing, I was like, what have I got? Lovely hair, good shoe, really good hair.

I come, but let's talk about that hair. One wonderful hair, a lovely face, one of the one of the highest men on the UK circuit, someone who someone who could just coast on their looks and yet still bothers to write material. And I respect that. Well, you know, it's funny. When I was growing up, I'm not saying I agree with what you're saying, but what you should well, I was saying when I was growing up, I didn't have I wasn't like covering attention from people. It wasn't like

a handsome dude. He's a handsome dude. It seems to be like now I'm older, king, like, hello, into yourself, which is it's quite nice. You have God, You've got God, You've grown into yourself. You know what, you know what. I think you have as well. And I think it might be the bid because I saw a picture of you younger. He didn't have a beard. I'm like, you should always have a bed. What a beard face? What

a beard face? Oh, it's funny. My ex partner of my Marilyn, always used to say, you should have you stubble, have you stubble? And this was like years or beards were fashionable, so I was always it looks dirty, it looks dirty. And then one of the actually, I haven't got any lips, so it's good that it is. Yeah, yeah, no lips frames the no lips. Nice? Thank you. I appreciate it's very kind of you to say. It's really nice to see you. You're you. You're one of my

favorite people on the circuit. I've known you for many years. I haven't spoken to you in a wild You have been doing your own podcast called say the Name. It's a very good name. Insane in the membrane, insane in the membrane. So pleased with it. I mean, I don't know why you bother doing the podcast. I just put the title out and just just relax, just put merch out.

But no podcast. And on that podcast you talk to men about their brains, yes, correct, yeah about there about about how because it's at the age old thing of men not being able to talk about their their thoughts and their feelings and kind of stem from that, really getting getting guys to open up. And since I've started it, and not because not because I have, but I've become like part of a wave of now really are men really are open enough? And it's so good to see.

Oh yeah, it's such a lovely thing. And do you I mean, this is such a like question, like in a in a nice neat sound bite. What have you left to listen to? My own advice? Nice? I've noticed that I mate him mind, I made him mind John Gamer. He's a wonderful man. And I met him through a gig, him and him and he's wonderful. Missus Mandy were at the front, and he's a very They're both beautiful people. They're quite. He's got a lovely beard and she's got

a lovely beard. They really lovely beard faces. But they're lovely people. And I've gotten to know him over the years. And I was a gig with John recently, just for Christmas, and he said to me, and he goes, I was tall, like something, should she goes? You? Never ring me goes you. You're telling me now that you've had these issues, I've never hear from me yet. Your whole podcast is all about men reaching out and men doing this and men doing that. And I'm like, yeah, And that was when

I went, I don't listen to my own advice. It's so hard that And I'm sure I've talked about this, but I know what that's like. It's weird whenever you hear a friend tell you man, you know, a month ago, I was incredibly sad. I was a real really presson and you you're angry with them, You're like, why didn't you call me? You should have called me? But I also know when I've been in that state, it's very hard to call someone because you feel like sort of embarrassed.

Do you feel the shame, do you? I don't know, or you think it's not worth it. It's just annoying. I'm just going to annoy them. It's really hard. Have you found yourself doing it since you've realized that. Since since then it's only been a month or so, I've been more more more aware of replying to people's messages, actually messaging people saying how are you know? Because we just have this block where I'm kind of, oh, they're busy on I can't and it's a really it's a

really will I say block. It's a really weird feeling where you go you can't phasically do it. You go to pick up and you cannot physically press the buttons to send a message or reply. Just this this is weird kind of I don't know, it just all shuts down and trying to push through that. It's really hard. So I get it, and it's very important that you do start to work and be honest with people like you and I. We've we've talked about this before. You

and I are because you don't upstet anyone. We've been in situations where we could have gone actually that's not really for me, but we've ended up going actually up we were waits something that you know, really, if you'd just gone actually that's not really for me, but thank you for you. We wouldn't have all the children we have, acres of children strewn about the place, a whole. You could do you do? You could do ted Lasso just with your kids line. Oh no, I think about all

the teams in the Premier League. Anyone to do? And then you get into it on the New Sue. Yeah, so you do your podcast. You need a thing. Now, there's something that I've forgotten to tell you day, which I feel. I feel bad about it because I probably you know, we're old friends. I should have I should have I should have reached out to you and texted you about this. But again it's probably my self esteem.

I thought he's not going to care. But now I've made him, now I've remembered it, I'm like, fuck it. You know what. This isn't about me, This is about you, and I should have been a better friend. So you just give you just have to tell me. Yeah, I'll just tell you you. Well you've died. What Yeah, yeah, you're It was my birthday yesterday, that birthday, so it was exact birthday. I'm exactly fifty and shut up to fifty year Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, happy birthday. What a

way to go, such a nice time. And it is weird because I did. When I went to bed, I felt odd, but I just put it down to eating and drinking too much. What did you do for your fiftieth? Is that something you can tell us? We went to well? I thought I was just being taken out from meal. I did a gig on Friday in Wooster. How did it go? Wonderful at a wonderful time? That so good?

And then there was a hotel, wonderful time. And then I got taken to Bristol and I thought it was gonna have a meal and a night out in Bristol. I spoke to my sons and they were like, oh yeah, a happy birthday dad, you know, sorry, we'll all see you at some point blah blah blah. And then got to the restaurant and then sat there they were sat in the restaurant. That's nice. So Karnu, my eldest, and my youngest, Bailey and Karlu's wife married are all sat there.

Wonderful time you've had quite This is the thing I've always well, I'm always fascinated by you. Is you've had all the lives and sometimes in the in the in a different order than its average. You had children when you were very young, right twenty twenty, and you're brilliant dad, and you love your children. And now you're like a teenager. And I was making up for the fact that I was a dad at twenty. So when you're ye, you're supposed to go out and kicking the ass out of

it and doing all manner of stuff. And now my boys are oll I mean, my eldest would be he's thirty in March. God, that's why. How you're yeah, and now you're out. Now I'm back out and I'm buying trainers, running around like a loonar doing pills for the first time. What's this? What is this stuff? This is? This smells lovely, but it's you know, yeah. And obviously I've kick as, I have it too much. And now i've I've I've burned too brightly, I've perish. I don't believe it. Well, yeah,

how did you die? Well, like I said, I just went to sleep. I thought I was you know, I felt I felt a bit dodgy. Thought maybe I just too much drunk, too much, you know, maybe had a bad tequila. You know, I don't on this podcast agree with just dying in your sleep. Something happened. You might have been asleep for it, but something happened. Well, I do chend to sleepwalk. Actually, I was fually listening to now and I was like, yeah, I do that. Amount of times I've ended up, I've been stood in the

lounge looking out at the patio doors. Really but what we're doing doing? Yeah, I probably I always you know what, my biggest fear. I was always worried that something would fall on me, like in the cartoons, like a piano or or an anvil or something like that. So I so, yeah, so it would have been that, because that's my biggest fear. So it would have been it would have been a piano. So you were sleepwalking and a piano dropped on you. You never you rarely see anvils in any context, let

alone hanging from cranes. No, I've only ever seen I've seen them. Yeah, I've seen them in old, really old like vintage shops where they've got like really old like farm equipment like wooden plows or something like that, but I've never seen one being used. Well maybe I saw as a doorstop. Oh that's true. Maybe they're more of a threat than I think they are. Maybe they maybe because the cartoons were American, maybe they had more of them.

Maybe I should be more vigilant in America. You got doesn't hurt to look up now and again, that's what it is. This is there you go. There's some advice for the listeners. Yeah, looking at your phone for a minute and look up, because you never know a piano might fall on you. Yeah, okay, sleepwalking, Yeah, I do do that. It's a weird time to have a piano delivered, But that's your neighbors for us, Bace. I'm a comedian, so I worked night, so I was probably Yeah, it

was for you. The piano you just forgot. Yeah, yeah, the piano delivered. They thought i'd come out to meet them. I didn't even know that. Sleep fifty years old, Yes, beautiful face. Do you worry about death? Not really. I worry about the effect that it would have on loved ones. I think I'm not. I used to be like, there's nothing after this, this is all there is. Make the most there's an element that I still think we should try and make the most of this, But at the

same time, I don't really know what happens afterwards. I believe in energy. I believe that with the energy within us, the vibrations of us, I believe that goes off into the universe somewhere you become part of something else, something else vibrating, you know, But I don't know. I don't know. I don't really worry about it though. So you think

you're energy joins any energy that's near it. Yeah, you kind of just go back, like the energy just kind of mingles in with other stuff and you go back into the Because I think someone someone, someone said, we're all just vibrations, vibrating in different different speeds and ways. It sounds mad now I'm saying it out loud, but no, no, no, it's true. And and and what in terms of like consciousness, what happens to that? Still still going? Well, I don't

know that's to see. This is the thing? Is this just a vessel like you know, like Independence Day when they opened the head and there's a little dude or you know, is this yeah? Is there is there's something?

Because we just don't know, We don't know you know, like the Men in Black at the end of the end sequence of the Men in Black when when they're playing with the marbles, Yeah, goes throughout, It goes through all of our galaxies away from it, and then into the marbles into it, and you're like, yeah, that could be it. We could be just part of this just endless cycle that just you just move around. I don't know.

We are talking about films all right, By the way, Men in Black and Men in Black too, the end beats of them are fucking profound. Yeah, that bit when it comes out of the Earth, goes past our solar system, out past all the other solar systems, and it keeps going, it keeps going, and then it's on a just the mad aliens playing marbles. Yeah, with the solar systems. And you're like, well, yeah, but I remember, I remember my ex, my ex wife, India, lovely, lovely woman, but she was

brought up a Jehovah's witness. She was a creationist rather than she didn't believe in evolution. So we had these mad conversations and I'm like, yeah, but we do evolve because the universe is always expanding. And then she said, yeah, but what's the expanding into And you're like, so you just don't know, you don't know, gun to head, piano to head. What's the answer. I think we go. I think parts of us go somewhere because time, time isn't the thing doesn't exist. It's a it's a it's a

framework that is put onto us. Because the sun just you know, we are right, we go around the sun, so there is no kind of night and day, just light and dark. There's also the time. We just grow, we grow and we age. But you know, like like I say, asked my fiftieth birthday, go yeah, I've been around for that along that amount of time. But time really doesn't exist. It's not a thing. So it's so

it's crazy. And then saying that people go, yeah it does, yeah, no, no no, no it does because human beings have created time, the framework of time, but it doesn't. It's not a thing in the universe. Like if aliens want to come to us, they were not going to say, what's the time, because it doesn't it's a it's a human it's a human thing that we've it's a human construct. Whereas alien I don't even smoke. We listen to me, but you know, it's all it is is that we go around the

sun with this light and dark. But we've in order for us to kind of I thought, we've just become used to the fact that we've got weeks and months and years and things like that that and say it doesn't exist. But it's a so I don't know, I don't know. I wish. I don't think there's another place. I don't think there's heaven as such, but I think you just become part of the universe again. You know. Well, maybe I'm glad you you you had a go, but you were very far from the truth, because there is

a heaven. There's a heaven, and yeah, and you're going straight in. Anyone with beard faces gets straight into heaven. I'm glad I was wrong, which is a weird rule to have, especially what we know about bits. Do you what's your favorite thing in the whole world? Yeah? I do actually love movies. I love movies more than television. Television. People say, oh you know, they go, oh, yeah, you've got it. Takes a couple of seasons to get going. I kind of I watch a few, like I'll get

it now and I'll stop watching. I can't I can't. I have to watch things all in one go. Like that's why the movies great, because if I don't, if I can't watch anyone go, I can't just wander off. Yeah, it's mad how people say that about TV. Say, it's just just you've just got to watch twenty five hours of it and then it starts getting good. You like, what I'm going to be dead? Ye, twenty five hours.

I really there was We've break We've breaking bad. And what I love, I know everyone goes on about it, but what I love is when I've read up about it and they say that even the colors of what they were wearing and everything kind of everything meant something in that show. Yeah, which made it. It just turned it into a piece of art rather than a very clever TV show. Is beyond clever. Everything was thought about, every every every miniscule bit of it was. There was

a reason for everything was wonderful. But my son, my eldest son, and I we were living together at the time, and we said, look, we're going to watch it together, but we can only watch it when we're together. So there was so there was like weeks where we didn't watch it, you know, and we can't and you could see its Netflix or wherever it was. You can see if someone's watched it. But that was good. Yeah. I do love starbars as well Starbus. Yeah, star bars, you're ready? Starbars? Okay,

this on this heaven is made of starbus. Yeah, this is amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna say starbars where the original or not Boost Boosts came later? Yeah, boost is a starbar knockoff. Yeah, exactly, and you're not afraid to say it. This heaven is made of starbus. Seats have made of starbus with the rappers on for the seats so you don't get melted chocolate on your bum. The wolves have made of starbus. At any point you can grab a star bar and eat it. Some of the people that

have made of starbus, you can eat their faces. No one complaints. Everyone's delighted to see you. Of course they are delighted, and they want to talk about your life. But they want to talk about your life through film. And the first thing they ask is what's the first film you remember seeing? Rich Wilson first film, I remember seeing the first That's one I remember seeing as a child was the original King Kong, The Black and White one. Oh wow, I remember that I'd had a birthday. But

how old you? That's like the trees. Yeah, oh yeah, time doesn't does exist, and I'm a time had. I had a birthday party when I was really young. Yeah. And then I remember sitting up with my dad. I was sitting in his lap. I remember we had the lights off as well, and so it was and we were watching the just lit by the flickering of the TV and watching the black and white version of King Kong. Wow, yeah, it was I remember. I do remember. That's one of

my earliest memories that how old we do? Think? I must have been five or six. I love that. Yeah, do you remember? Do you remember it being like magical? Yeah, it was a nice moment because I was just sat with my dad and it was just here and I still it. I'm talking about him like he's gone, but no, still it. But we were like, I mean, just at this moment where we were sat watching the TV and just give us a nice I remember, I remember the

warmth of it. It was just a nice, nice moment, you know, pajamas on and you know, yeah, it's lovely. It's fucking great, the original King Kong and you know I am obsessed with saying I say this a lot, but I think the special effects in King Kong last longer than c GA because it's because it's taptail. Because it's there, even though you can see sometimes it's a stop motion puppet, sometimes it's a giant puppet head, but

it's there. It's physically there, and the actors can interact with it, and they're not looking at a random spot on the wool. Yeah, this is it. When you look at some they keep putting up the people things that I follow on Instagram and they show you like behind the scenes of John Wick and the matrix of that, and I don't really it blows my mind what they do to get the shots of the At the same time,

I don't want to see it. I don't want to know that they're actually not I saw one where it was John Wickhams a motorbike scene and they're they're they're changing a lot of fighting all that, and then you look and the whole thing is green screen. Yeah. Well,

I don't. I didn't think they're actually I've thought they were all trailers or something like that, but they're actually they're getting moved around in the studio like chess pieces and it's I'm sure there's something in the like even say war I don't know if you ever saw a

war horse the play or Lion King. If you see the live version of the Lion King, like you can see the actors in the puppets, like they're not hiding the puppet that you see the puppet and you see the person moving the puppet, and they're both in your field of vision. And yet you as audience make the magical connection to believe in this horse, and they don't hide the joints or whatever. And I think that that's

true of physical special effects. Is if you really question it, you go, yeah, I know someone's made this and it's rubber or it's whatever, but you buy it because it exists in a way that I don't think you buy computers doing stuff I know you know it doesn't exist. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And we're going to watch Avenue Q. You ever saw that, But the puppets are only from the waist up. But after a while you forget that the people are whold you kind of focus on the puppet.

Your brain kind of goes, I know that's the main character, not the person. The puppet focusing on that. There's one bit I think they're having sex, and you're going they're having sex, so you kind of just yeah. But then when you think about what blows me and blows me away back the old, the old stuff like with Buster Keaton and Harold Lloyd. Yeah, well that one with the one with what's it called is it the General where he's on the train. Yeah, and he's and he's he's

he's on the front. He's got a wooden sleeper and he's and it's sleepers on the track and as he's going along, he's banging the sleep he's got his hand on the on the things that are on the track and they're going out of the way. He's running around on the train, he's sitting on the on the thing on the wheels, and it's all they did that. Yeah, he did that, And that blows my mind. And that's why it holds up, I think, because yeah, because you

because you you feel it. There's genuine like jeopardy and like this is fucking real. Yeah. But when you look at the sum again, put put the footage up of especially effects of Harold Lloyd hanging off the clock was actually it was just like it was the way they angled the cameras, so he wasn't actually it was a it was a mock up of the side of a building.

It was on top of a high building, and so it's a mattress underneath him, so he's not far off the ground, but because the buildings in the background, it looked like he was hanging up off this building. And then the one with Charlie Chapman and his roller skating around and he looks like he's going near the edge of the where the where the ballisters have fallen away, and he's going backwards and he's nearly and then they showed you that how they did that as well, the

angles of that. It's so clever, but they actually they actually did it that moving the cameras to the point, which is so quick. I'm not knocking cgi. I mean that takes hours of work and to make it look the way it does. But the old the older movies, they're just they were in it, and it fascinating. Love it, Love it. What's the film that made you cry the most? Now? Are you a cryer? I suspect you you're you're good

at crying. Ah. I love a good cry and that's certainly been in the last because when I was growing up, I always I used to cry a lot, and I always thought I was weak bloody crying again, what's the woman, Why I'm not crying? But now it's like, oh yeah, I'm an emotional person, so I cry. I cry all the time. I cried. I only what I said, CHRISTI just gone. I watched for the first time, I watched the Holiday, never watched it before, didn't want to watch it,

and that looks like a lot of old shit. Jency rubbed. I didn't want to watch it, and so we were I was here and it was put on and I just sat there and then by the end of way, I was blubbing. Was absolutely blogging and it's one of the best things I've ever seen, lovely all my eyes out. I've absolutely just cried my eyes out. And I mean he's probably been mentioned as well before the beginning of

up has been mentioned many many times. That just make just breaks my heart every single time I'll have to be crying in front of people, right, yeah, yeah about you. No, I don't even I didn't think you would be go ahead, no, no, thank you, thank you. What happens you must feel it sometimes. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, just push it, push it down and give heart disease. So it's gonna it's gonna push it down and then it pops out of your Every ship is just frault because so much in a moment,

I'm used tears. What's the film that scared you the most? Rich and do you like being scared? Yes? I do, Actually good. I don't like like torture, porn and things like that. That the first saw a film is good, but after that he got a little bit much. I'm not into that sort of thing. I don't find that scared, to find it a bit unnecessary. The original Woman in Black, the TV film that they made, that's pretty scary. Yeah,

with Andy Aman. Yeah, when she's over they see her at at the other side of the graveyard and she's just this whoa. He's lying in bed and she appears over him. Horrifying. And then they remade it with Daniel Radcliffe. Yeah, it was sensational. It was like horror Hammer horror films were coming back. It was like the first one hot Hammer Horror again and it was absolutely superb, absolutely superb. There's more to Daniel Radcliffe than Harry. You know, he

really did step up. And I remember watching it. I was sat there, my boys were there in India, and my ex wife all sat there and I had a plate in my hand and there's a bit where the woman in black comes running out of the pledge and yeah, and I literally snapped the play. Yeah, the one, the one that terrifies me. I did when I was a kid. I'm watching it. So it was it was the first Halloween that my friend Tom, my friend Tom, I've noticed.

I was three years old and it was the first Halloween that we've been left alone together while our parents had gone out. And they went right, just you can watch what you want, We trust you. So we watched Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein or where it was, all those films, and then we watched the Thing for the

first time. Yeah, what mate, The bit when the head the next stretches in, the head goes off the floor, off onto the floor and then turns into a spider, the heads upside down and then he scuttle out of the room and the guy goes, you gotta be fucking killing me. It's such a good film. And at the end when it's Kurt Russell and our Commemari's name the guy.

Really good film, and they're just sitting and it's those two left and they're like, yeah, either one of us could, We could be it, but we're too tired to deal with it. It's just such a good film. The thing the not the original, because there was one of like nineteen fifty whatever, but the nineteen eighty two one was horrifying. Very good answer. What's the film that most people don't like? It's not critically acclaimed, but you love it. You don't care what any of these fools say to you. The

transporter of Jason Statham. Lovely answer. There's just something about a Jason Staitham film, and they're always the same. He's always one guy on his own against everybody else. He doesn't fuck with a formula. He does what he does. And the thing is he's aware of what he does as well. At no point Jason Staatem's not run around going I don't know why I don't do Shakespeare. Jason's like, look, I've got my own He's as his own genre, staith

and film. He's got his own thing. And we watched all this comment, all this Christmas stuff, the whole of Christmas. So we watched we watched the Holiday, and we watched Muppets Christmas. Carol. I hadn't seen before. I hadn't seen it. I know you're a big fan. I know you're a huge fan. I didn't have to. I didn't know how to get it into this. He's just trying to get extra points. I mean, you haven't yet said what you thought of it, so we're in the real danger day.

The reason I hadn't seen it I get because I wasn't. I remember I was a fan of the Muppets when I was a kid, but not a huge fan. I was like, to take it, Lea. But the Muppet Christmas movie is incredible. This just all of it. The Ghost of Christmas is present, the big the big Guy present. Yeah. Yeah, and he ages as he's as he's talking that, and again I was I was like, oh my god, when

he it's deep in it, it's deep. The Christmas President ages, yeah, it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist, and yeah, completely blowing it, blowing out of the war. But I up until then, I was growing my hair just for Christmas. And those of people said, rich, I used to love your hair. I'm like, I know, but I find something different. I

didn't know. I was really depressed. I'm growing. Yeah. And then just before Christmas, my flatmate Sweeney, who's my barber, and I went, look, I need to sort this out. So we had got it. We got it back. I got my hair cut back and as he was cutting it went, yeah, we're getting rid of the sadness. Rich. Oh yeah, I feel much better. But then watching the Christmas Carol and Michael Caine's hair in that, I was watching that's what why none of you tell me my

header like that? But so I've watched all of these films and it was I mean, I had nearly had diabetes from all the from all the sackering. It's too much. And I got back and I just said, I need to watch a Jason Staphan film. So we watched The Wrath of Man, which is it's you know, it's it's what it is, but it's not shit, it's just you know. So yeah, the Transport, the Transporter, it was the first one. It's set in the south of France, so I think that's why it makes it a little bit more. Yeah,

it's a bit more. Yeah, it's a bit more palatable. The bit the beginning you see him he's a very methodical man. The bit when they get in they get in the car, the guys he's he's been hired to be the driver, and he get they get in the car, and he goes, hang on a minute, there's who's this. There's too many of you. I've got enough fuel for this amount of weight. This guy, you've not You're accounted for this. You know. I've done the tires, I've done this,

I've done that. And then and he does and the police are coming and he's just sat there and the guy goes, you're gonna fucking move and he's like, no, no no, you I can't because and the guy just shoots him, goes right, let's fucking go. So that that's brilliant. And then the police chief in the film is excellent. He's so dry and witty and funny, excellent, And it just just elevated. I think it just elevates that get above other staith and films. It's just other films in the

Jason State. Yeah, I think it's I really like it. And a bit where he goes after the guy, he goes back to the where all the bad guys are and you hear the doorbell ring, and so the bad guy gets up and he looks through the through the hole to see and just see Jason Stephen running at the door and he just kicks it and it's it's such a brilliant scene, just bam. And then you're in it. And then they're like fighting with hammers and it's like the race. No, I'm older next with that thing. Yeah,

that's hell boy. The choreography of that, it's just great. And that and people slay it. Oh, I'm like, you haven't watched you haven't watched it. You don't know you're born. The Transporter the first one, brilliant. What is the film that you used to love? You loved it, but now you're not so sure. You've watched it reasonably and you don't like it so much. Name. I was gonna say, bullet, I love that film. But still I still love that film.

Stephen's coolest cars in it, the storyline, Robert Vaughan's in it. It's such a good film. But what what messed it up for me? The car chase. I noticed that there's a couple of scenes where they used the same scene but from a different angle. Yeah, and it and I'm like, when they come down the hill and they scared and they go around the corner and this Cadillac comes up and stops, stops, and it's like a hubcap comes off

one of the cars. Yeah, and then they do it from another seat, and they do it from another angle and it's the same, and I'm like, ah, it ruined it. It ruined it. I was going to say that that's a nice I love it. I love it. I still love Bullet. But for me, it was Blazing Saddles. What I know. I watched it recently and I just and he really I was I don't know. I used to laugh my head off when I was a kid. The part scene with the beans around the fire j U

to be bent double. But I watched it again, I'm like, it's a shame because I adore Maddeline Kahn, I love I loved so much. Yeah, Blazing Saddles, I just it's not you know, I've matured now, very sad to very sad to hear yeah, I still love Young Frankenstein. That still that's that still stands up. What is the film that means the most to you, Rich Wilson, Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because the experience you had seeing it always makes it special for you. Chilson.

I think Oliver Stone The Doors that movie film only because it was when they're coming out in nineteen ninety one, I'd met the mother of my kid. It was the first date we went on. We went to see that film, and then a little while later she became pregnant with my first son. So it kind of reminds me of that. It was the first time I've moved from I've moved

out of my my mom and dad's house. I've moved out, so I would have been yeah, nineteen or nineteen, i'd met Lisa, and so that whole time, it's just it was just new and exciting. And yeah, and I love The Doors as well. I've always loved a big fan of Doors for years, and I think that now when every time I see that, it reminds me of that time. It's a really nice it's a nice moment. It's wild. You were nineteen, Yeah, well this is going on, Yeah, yeah, yeah, wild. Yeah.

I haven't watched The Doors in years, but I loved it. I used to love it. It was actually like when I watched On Road tasting it. I'd love to have it still holds up. I used to fucking love that film. I haven't seen it for a long time. And then you see like Billy Idols in it, and well Dale Cooper's on the on the keys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. So you knew him from Twin Peaks. Yeah, and now he's and now he was he's playing Raymonds at and

it's yeah. And what's his name, Matt Dylan's brother, Kevin Dillon. Yeah, he's the drum that's right. Yeah. So it's an incredible movie with that. And then you've got what's his name, the guy that went on to be in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. He was he was Alan Rickman's sidekick Americans, got a really gruff voice. I can't remember his name, but when he comes out, he goes, this is Morrison

defends are coming down and making an album. I don't remember his name, but he was just a brilliant actor, and they're all I think that's what I mean. That Oliver Stone stuff gets a bit slated sometimes, but I think The Doors is a really good film. You mean

Michael Wincott, Yeah, Michael Wincot him brilliant actor. Brilliant actor because he's the one in the Roman The Prince of Thieves when Alan Rickman says, uh, you know, play his heart with a rusty spoon, where he goes, there's the worst spoon, you know, the last moment, Uh, lovely answer, en film, What is the film that you must relate to? It's Wilson Quadrophenia. I think, of course, of course that's your auntswer. I think i'd be annoyed if that wasn't

your Aunell. I really thought about this, and I wasn't going to go with it. But now when I kept thinking about I'm like, yeah, that is that. I did feel that way. He was kind of wanted to be long bos at the same time not being able, you know, not really wanted to. I don't want to give what. You want to conform, but you don't want to. It's a real mix, a real mixture because you don't you don't want to be like everybody else. At the same time,

you do want to be like everybody else. You want to be accepted, but you don't want to be accepted. And I think we all go through that, and even all the time, we go through that, all the time, even when beyond our teenage is we want to be accepted. We don't really want to be like everybody else, but we do. And it's real. And I really related to Jimmy who was who was in that, you know, and and I just loved it. Was one of the first

albums I bought as well. The soundtrack to Quadrophenia was one of the first records I bought when I was a kid I was, I bought. I bought Quadrophenia and Lack a Virgin by Madonna on the same day with my birthday money, actually with my birthday money, so big that's a big day out the big that was when the Virgin Megastore had just opened on Oxford Streets. Big deal, was a big deal. And that was my dad said, we're gonna go into the Virgin Megastore. Yeah, I've never

heard of it before. Like, this is amazing, you know, and we're on our way acres of vinyl. It was amazing. So I think Quadrophenia is the one for me that I just went, Yeah, that's that feels I can relate to that. What's the film that here we go. I've just realized where we are, Okay, I'm personally excited. Rich Wilson, what's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Okay, so week sexpid film. So growing up it was things like there

was you know, that was moments. I had a big crush on Linda Carter as Wonder Woman when I was a kid. That was my first kind of like, yeah, I loved her. It was quite late on actually nineteen ninety four and I had my first kind of like wow, she's spectacular. And it was when Cameron Diez comes down the escalator in the Mask and I'm not I remember being the cinema. I was like, oh my, that woman is beautiful, just beautiful. Never heard of her before, I ever seen her before, and it was just a moment

like wow, that was That's a moment where she's incredible. Yeah, the Mask. There's subcategories of this question, Okay, subcategories troubling, bone is worrying, why I don't what's the film that you found a rousing that you weren't sure you should? This again was a late one, a late one. It was Avatar, and I really really found the Giant Blue Lady attractive, really found a spectacular like she didn't take any ship. He was beautiful, and I just remember thinking, Um,

this is weird. Yeah she likes ting, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's massive, And I'm like, yeah, that was a weird one. Jennifer Rabbit, you know there was all that, yeah, and the fact, you know, you know, had those those moments. But for me, the twenty foot tall blue lady in in Avatar. Yeah, it's a great yeah, really fit so fits fits a fit. She's fit, she's Avatar. I love. I love strong women, strong blue women, strong blue women.

I think, well, yeah, and when you say that, I don't want to go go to any town in the in the middle of winter where women are run around with no coats on. It all mean them strong blue women. It's really funny, lovely strong blue women. Yeah, the women of Newcastle, strong, wonderful women. Why did you say it could be anywhere in London Birmingham could be a sort objectively, Rich Wilson, Yes, objectively. What's the greatest film ever made? Ah? You see, this is a tricky one because I was

going to say a Budapest hotel. There's not an ouncer fat on it. It's it's flawless. In my opinion, it's flawless. Every character there isn't anybody that shouldn't be in it. Everything is necessary, the way it's laid out like a graphic novel, the writing of it, the characters, Ray finds, every single piece of that movie is immaculate. It's there's nothing wrong with it at all. It's a It's a wonderful,

wonderful film. I think that I was going to say that with a sort of listened to my Sean McLoughlin and he was talking about it. He's just seen it this recently, and so I thought, I've already thoughts about that. But so that for me is an immaculate movie. The

Dead Man's Shoes by Shame meadows next level. The twist in that To this day, I still remember the feeling when you no spoilers, but when you that twist, you're like and then you start to think back through the rest of the film, of course, but it's so wonderfully done, and I've had I've had the pleasure and have been very lucky to spoke to Stuart Wolfenden, who played Herbie that the drug dealer with the beanie hat. Heat wonderful man.

I feel like I've known him years and like to the point out message of bell End has it going. But I've spoke to him about it and he's like, yeah, he still feels out of all the things he's achieved, that to be a part of something so spectacular. Yeah, he's just that's just it's just a it's just a perfect film. Everybody in that as well. It's brilliant. It's gritty, you can because it's filmed in Matlock sort around and it's raining and it's drizzly, and it's you could just

feel so real. It's a spectacular movie. So I think dead Man Shoes for me, it's amazing that film. I think originally it was going to be a comedy. Did you know that really? I think when they first started talking about it, Paddy Constantine and same men as, it was like they were going to do like a knockerback

comedy revenge film. I think yeah. And then the more they worked and it, they were like, no, they're same funny It's it's a funny moment in it with Gary Stretch when he realizes that Richard Paddy Constanine's character has

been in his house. That's a funny moment. But when you talk about again, talk to Stewart Wolphan and he was saying, like the bit where when he when Hervey's in the pool in the Sluger club and he's dishing out the drugs and then and then Paddy constantly and he goes, he goes, oh are you are you looking at these are nothing that goes a you're looking against you? You like it? Just that he said that that was improvised,

that they didn't like they did. He would just come in and then Paddy constantly would just do stuff and that was the one that that was the one they start with. But imagine being that like that's the thing we shay medose one. What I've heard that he does like a lot of that improv and like they're just working it out as they're going along, which means which just makes it more real, isn't it. You know moments

it's such a I think, Yeah, dead Man's Shoes. For me, it's the one really good shout what's the film you could or have? What's the most over and over again? The fifth element? Really I love Luke Besson. Yeah, there's a great film of his called Angel Angela, Angel angel A, Yeah, which is a wonderful film. But the fifth element because he used like supermodels in it and things like that, people that were sort of supermodels at the time, like male and female. So he got all these weird and wonderful,

incredible looking people throughout out of the film. It's a it's a one, and then Lee Evans pops up as the captain of the Yea and he's running around like you've got Bruce Willias fun around and then Lee it was just like being Lee Evans amongst it or it's so great. Yeah, Gary oldman. You know, he's like, you know, he's zero stones, zero crates, and it's just he's just talking to these massive like dog like creatures. Just and

a bit where he's a bit here. There's a bit where he's nervous and he starts to leak his blood. But it's like black. Every detail in that film is brilliant. I just love it. I love it so much. The oppossingery spectacular. I love the other thing another another strong blue Lady, A strong blue lady. I love a strong blue Lady. That even the comedy in it as well. Everybody in that film again plays such a wonderful part of the comedy in it. The series just brilliant, so

The Fifth Element. I've must have seen I don't know countless times. I love it. One I put on all the time just I just feel it just makes me feel nice when it's on. That that film, when it came out, I think was I think it was quite critically panned. I think people were like, what the fuck is this nonsense? And it's really held up. It comes up quite a lot of the Fifth Element people. No one's forgotten the Fifth Element, And when it came out,

it was like, what is this mess? Well listening, Yeah, like Luke Perry's in it, little little character, Yeah, exactly, yeah, brilliant, absolutely, brilliant character, everything in it. I think there's there's those films now and again they pop up and there's no a lot of films I've been I'm not showing off here, but I've been writing a film with someone that's been to the New York Film Academy, Like we're writing something. We just I've known her for a long time and

then I just we just happened to be. She showed me a script diverse and it was I read it and it was like I'd watched the film. I was like, oh no, listen as you went Yeah, that's exactly, and that's amazing. And you've got any ideas, and I told this idea and so we're working on it. But my point is once you start working on it, working on behind, and see how a film because we've been working on it for months, we haven't even got to the dialogue bit yet. You've been working out the universe and why

is that person in that person's world? Why are they together, what's the point, What's what's brought them together? Why would they interact with each other? Because there's so many films that you watch and you go, oh, this is the storm in the castle bit. Oh, this is the bit where all everything's lost. There's that framework, that pattern, And once you know that, pat, when you watch films as you you know, you'll be like, oh this is that bit, Oh this is that bit. Oh here we go. Oh yeah,

all he's last. I'll wait a minute. They're all good. And it kind of ruins films for you a little bit. Every now and again, a film will come along, like the fifth Element. Well, you're so dazzled by everything that's going on, Yeah, you don't see the framework that it's following, Like three Billboards Napoleon Dynamite, those films, those two films in particular, it's like it's like you've arrived in town. Something's happened. Like in Three Billboards, you're a traveler. You've

arrived in town. Something's happened before while before you got there, the whole town's talking about it, dealing with it, and then you kind of like, oh wow, else as well. And then as you're leaving town, they're off to deal with what's what's what's happened? And I love that. This is a moment in time Napoleon Dynamite. There's no reason for it. There's no reason for that film. You're just in a moment in time where you're just in this town for a bit and all this is happening, and

then you leave town and that's still going on. And I love that, And that's like the fifth elament for me. It's just this is so much going on. It's just a nice, brilliant film. It's an action film, but it's just more to it, you know, let's just love it. I really like that. I really like that. We don't like to be negative, you and me. That's something i'd say about us. So we'll do this fairly quickly, what's the worst film you ever saw? Avatar? What too big

a banner to get through it comfortable? I couldn't get through it. I was too turned on the actual film, the look of it. It's a good looking film, and there was so much hype about the CGI and the work and it is. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and slag off the work that went into it, because it's take I understand hours and hours and hours that would have taken to do like one shot. And it's a spectacular looking film, but the story was so bad.

It was so bad. There's a bit, so they're all flying around on those blue and actual things, and then she's then so the heroes there and he's talking to the girl, and then it's Orange one swoops through and she says, only four people have ever managed to to to get one of those and fly my load and I literally out loud and I'll fuck off in in half an hour's time, he was going to be riding around on an Orange one it car. Someone said to me, we need to about when was the last time you

cried at a movie? I went Avatar? Qui Avatars the worst film? I'm afraid fair enough, you're excited about the seven sequels. They are on their way. What's the what's the film you're in comedy, you're a comedian, you're very funny. What's the film that made you? Rich Wilson comedian laughed the most. So when I was growing up, there's a lot of mel Brooks. So we watched Young Frankenstein Lazy and Salsbody and I know, I said, now it's not to me, it's not age very well. But when I

was a kid, hysterical, absolute hysterical. But later on, one of the one film that cracked me up so much, and this would have been ten years ago, I saw it was the remake of Get Smart with Steve Carrell and it's a really it's a stupid film. It's daft, and I really like it. But Alan Arkin is one of the finest can media actors that we've ever had. I loved. The first time I became aware of him was in Freebian the Bean years ago with James Khan

nineteen seventy three, and it's brilliant. It's such a it's not many people, You're right brought that up. I think I think it's one of his favorites, such a good film. It's a bit because James Khn's at this cool like carp and their partners, and Alan Arkin is a bit more straight laced and a bit more you know, but they work really well. Alan Arkin and gets smart. They're walking along, so it's James carn and Alan Arkin again. They've put together again, and it's so like, oh, they're

together again. This is brilliant. And so James Carnt plays a president of the United States. Alan Arkin's walking they're just walking along together and James Cahn says, one of the thing is you know people with like, you know, nuclear bombs, and Alan Ark goes nuclear and he goes, what And they just carry on walking And I was on the floor for about ten it correctly it created Yeah he said nuclear when the guy said nuclear, and

it just I couldn't breathe. I couldn't breathe. So that and a bit where they're going through the golf course and then they crash into this thing and this plastic swordfish goes through the windscreen and therely it's had an Arkin in the head. And then Steve grow goes, You're thinking what I'm thinking? And he says, if you're thinking, holy shit, holy shit, a plastic nearly went from my head. Then. Yeah, it was funny, so funny. Ad An Arkin in everything

he's ever done. Yeah, he's a spectacular actor, and so for that reason gets smart. He's one of the funniest things I've ever seen, just for him. Brilliant, brilliant. Yeah, Rich Wilson, you've been wonderful, of course, no surprise there, however, Oh no, you were fifty years old yesterday. You had a lovely birthday. Your sons were round one corner and they said good night Dad, and then they ran really last random block. I'm surprised you at the other corner.

A lovely time. You ate lots of food, You have a lovely time, all the drinks, did the pills you've been holding on too. And then you went to bed and you went to sleep, and you slept, walked and you slept, walked down outside, and outside there was a crane delivering the piano you'd ordered for your fiftieth because you were like, I'm going to take up a new

hobby piano. Weirdly, the way they were going to get this piano in was through the first floor window, so they brought a crane quite an operation for this piano. But it was your fiftieth. Don't making an effort, and they were late. It was two in the morning, but they'd promised you they'd get it to you on your birthday. Anyway, you wander out the front door, fast asleep, and you just stood there and the person man in the crane said, oh, is it your birthday today? And the person next we

went it is. I've just taken the thing. He took his hands off the leavers. Clap clap for your birthday. Piano straight down, crushed you in sunny crushed by piano. You just see my feet sticking out, Yeah, like the wicked Witch of the West. Yeah, very cool shoes sticking out and strip you pajamas. And I was walking past because I was late. I was going to come with you Happy birthday, and I've got a coffin with me,

and there you are, Sparko under the piano. I'm like fucking out, and the delivery guys they've scarpered because they're like, this doesn't look good for us. You're now half piano, halfman. Your head is like crushed into the strings inside the piano. So I've had to I've got an accause I'm chopping up the piano. Inside the piano, is you sliced into bits through the fucking strings of the piano. Your head you've melt merged with it. I hit a couple of

the keys. It goes bart but in your voice, bop your mouth keys, and I'm like, fucking alse I have to chop you up, chopping up, have to slice off bits of fucking string. Anyway. I put all of you in the coffin. But there's a bit. It's a piano. There's bits of crane, there's bits of chains and stuff. There's your jamas, there's door, it's concrete, everything in the in the coffin. I've done everything I can, but it

is rammed in there. It's full to the brim. There's really only enough room for me to stick one DVD into the side of the coffin and then push you across to the other side. And on the other side. It's movie night every night. What film are you taking to show the people of heaven when it is your movie night? Rich Wilson, please gotta be the fifth element? Has to be. What a lovely choice. Yeah, no one's brought it. They were in for a treat. I think

they'll I think they'll love it. It's got everything you need. It's got humor, it's got violence, it's got everything style. It's a very stylish film, and I think it's a great nod to the late great Luke Perry. It's a wonderful thing. Well a lovely answer, Rich Wilson, Is there anything you would like to tell people to listen to watch? Look out for go to. I would like you all to listen to my podcast, Insane in the Membrane, where

it's we had men talking about their feelings. We've also got you saying in the fem Brain, where I speak to women about what it's like to be a woman, because as a man of the seventies and eighties, didn't really know. We weren't really told these things. And now I'm finding out, you know, And that sounds clunky to say it that way, but I've had some wonderful guests. We've also had Insane in the Den Brain because I didn't know. I'd never spoke to anybody that identifies as

non binary before, so I didn't really know that. So we spoke to the Insane in the den Brain. We've had wonderful guests. We've had heston Blooming Tile, David Thedeal, so many, so many wonderful guests, and so yeah, it's sort of available on all podcast channels, So tuck in. There's so much to get into and go and see Rich Wilson did stand up? Come? I see me do stand up. I will be in a venue near you. I guarantee it. I've got all dates. I've got a website,

Rich Wilson Comedy. Go and have a look at that. All the dates will be up on there. Rich Wilson, what a treat to spend time with you. Thank you for your time. Thank a wonderful and good day to you. So cheers, Brett. Thanks mate. So that was episode one hundred and eighty four. Head over to patreon dot com forwards last Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty minutes of chat, secrets and video with Rich. Go to Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating. Do not tell me what

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