Rhys James - The Resurrection! • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #227

guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. But not this week. This week I use my newly acquired shamanic powers to bring a beloved guest back from the dead. And this week is the brilliant comedian, writer and podcaster mister Rees James. Head over to the patron at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get an extra fifteen to twenty minutes of chat with Reese where he tells secrets, we

do three more questions. There's a video and it's all uncut and a free check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward to last Brett Goldstein, so Reese, James Cammon. He's a brilliant writer, an actor, a podcaster, a lover, a writer, all the things. If I said writer, well he's that too. Is that twice if you like. And he's also one of the great stand ups. I loved bringing him back to life. We recorded this a few

weeks ago and zoom. He's so funny, he's so clever, he's so brilliant, and I really think you're gonna like this one. So that is it for now. I hope you're all well, and I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and twenty seven of Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. Hello, and welcome to Films to

be Buried with the Resurrection. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by an actor, a writer, a paneler, a podcaster, a fan of the right football team, a young Frankie Boyle, a person you put in the scary seat on the panel, a touring an award winner, a poet, a lover, a sensitive soul, a cat owner, and a boy. At most of all, a fantastic, phenomenal, brilliant stand up and a person please welcome back. To the show. It's

the legend, the man, the person, it's estimes. Yeah. Do you have to reach a certain amount of time for intros? Do you have like a quote where it has to be like forty seconds? And that's why you list like lies. If I can't fill a minute with the intro, I don't have the guest on. That's why I often don't. I've been offered like quite a lot of famous actors, and I'm like, well, what have they done, They're just actors.

Forget it. You'd have to do the full IMDb pay age. Yeah, yeah that if you If you if you've only got one job, I'm not interested to me. Yeah, yeah, okay, good. Yeah. Well everyone everyone now has and podcaster. Yeah that's true. So I'd defy anyone to not have a podcaster at the end of it. Um, father, people do you often have? I don't have that, but people have. I have son. I'm a son, So you could add that in I'm a nephew. I'm a nephew. I've thrown in husband or

boyfriend I suppose could have done. Yeah, you've got to fill that quota. What would you want your lead one to be your your number one? Because you led with actor for me, and I'd say there's very little evidence of that publicly, at least. I work backwards to your greatest. Your greatest is your standard. Oh I see is that it? Oh right? Yeah? You're you know you are an actor. Yeah, I suppose, not a success, just an unsuccessful one. I'm sure you act. You're an actor. You act? Oh? Oh

I act boy? You act like a bad boy? Oh I act? Oh no, you're acted exactly. Yeah I act. I'm messing around. I act like a comedian. Yeah, it's all fake. You're actually like a bad boy comedian. And then you go home to your cat and you say, I love you, I love your cat. Yeah that's true. I say, oh, who's being squeaky today? That's the sort of phrase I'll say, so, you know, a gold stage and I'll say some something horrible and I'm coming. Are you being squeaky? Are you being? Are being spooked? Have

you been? He's spooking around? And she sleeps genuinely, my cat in my arms. I'm not joking, fully nestled in my arm. Race it's too much. I have I possessed multitudes? Do you think if Dan Patterson knew this about you, he would not have brought you one the Week. We can say this now now you're out of the rat race. No, I don't think that. Well we'll see. No, I don't think that. No, that's not an exclusive. I'm joking, that's not an exclusive. I just wouldn't be surprised if, you know,

Mock the Day suddenly turns up on Audible or some bullshit. Um, yeah, you know that's where the money is these days. Brett, what are you doing with your public podcast? Are you fool? Get the Spotify dollar? Won't Dave by it the Week? I mean, it's weird how that's become a very normal I sort of phrase to us, isn't it won't Dave buy it? Typically would be about like a gram or like a knockoff DVD for those listening in America or whatever.

Reese James is a fantastic comedian who was very much a regular on the panel show Mark the Week, which ran for seventeen years, eighteen years, many years, seventeen year, seventeen years, and it finally ended on the BBC. So that means Reese is now destitute available for podcasts. But our mate Dave has a TV channel and we think Dave's gonna buy the week, so it's gonna be all already. I think he has already. Dave has already turned it down.

He's got a similar topical format already. He's made his bed and he's made his mash and he will lie in it. So Mark is dead to Dave. But that's fine. They've got all the old ones. Why would they need to buy the new ones? You know, Dave is famous for rerunning Mark the weeks, so just go, oh, we're just will mark the art of the other weeks from a long time ago. Didn't to mark any new weeks. We've got enough weeks. Yeah, And you know what, I

love doing that program. There's a real sense, as you know, with anything, with any kind of work, no matter how much you enjoy doing the work, what a sense of relief to never do it again. For it's a there's a feeling that washes over you. When you said, you're instant when they go it's ending, obviously, your instant reaction is sort of you know, career based panic or you know,

a bit of onwi maybe perhaps some sadness. But then you think about it a bit further and you're like, oh, I just I've got the rest of my life off from that particular job. That is sort of how it ended up feeling. I mean, it was quite emotional in the end doing the last view, but it was also just like right done, Chapter closed, book closed, Back to bed, what's next? Nothing? Yeah, back to bed. I mean, you did it so much, and I know it's such a

big deal. It's it's huge, and it's certainly a very big deal the first time you did it, Like, were you still nervous on your you know, a year in shows or was it like it's just like going to work now? Nah? Yeah, it was like it's a weird thing, you know, from performing that. It's like it's still racking, isn't it doing stand up? And you've been doing stand up for you know, fourteen years or whatever, so it's a different type of nerves. But I just realize I

sometimes think I'm not nervous. I think this with gigs as well, and then I realize that I have just spent forty minutes speaking to everyone else on the bill before I go on going, well, none of this matter, you know, none of this matters. We're all going to die anyway. It's just pointless. And then you realize, oh right, that's nerves manifesting itself. You just don't feel them in your stomach anymore. You just say them out of your mouth, going, this is all a waste of time anywhere. We all

just go home and then we just die eventually. And that's true, you do do that, yeah, but it's just it's absolute bullshit. But then we're a good combo backstage because I'm there preparing everyone for my death. I'll be going, well, yeah, I mean no, it's gonna be awful and I'm going to die and I'm going to die, and you're game. But it doesn't matter. It's done, this matter to this point because you're going to actually die. Even if you

die tonight, you'll really die someday. Brett. Yeah. But also like, so I'm doing work at time of record, I'm doing a lot of working progress shows for a new tour, and that fucking spilt milk it's just before before I go on stage at those gigs, it's just justified, justified, justifiers in and even on stage at the start, it's just like, look, I'm not confident this will in part to be fucking rubbish, and you're going to have to

deal with that because it's the process. And you'd think after seven existing hours of mine where I've had to do this, that I would have come to terms of the process enough to be able to just embrace it and be like, yeah, wise, working progress. It is hard some of its works. I'm done. But no, still, I'm just telling promoters, look, okay, I lose them at fourteen minutes still, but I do sometimes get them back around

fifty eight. You don't you know, you don't, I mean, you don't have to tell the promoters that would be my advice. No, I know, I know. Let them find out for themselves. Yeah. Yeah, it becomes a bit self fulfilling that you suddenly realize I don't want to have lied serious question. If I'm at a race. Now, you are well known. Let's say I'd say you're very well known. You're you're a TV star, so people are coming to see you because they know who you are, in excited

to see you. Has it made you more nervous doing new material than it used to, as in, my god, I'm going to let these people down there expecting a certain thing of a certain quality. Has that made it worse? Or are you fine? Nah, I don't think so. I don't think so. Certainly in the early working progress show is absolutely not and I was probably at my most fun. I mean, to me, that's the best bit of being a comedian. It's when you've got you doing working progress

without a deadline. It's the most fun thing in the world because it's all ideas, ideas, ideas, which is what makes this job good. It's like where I'm at now, which is the show starts on touring like two months and it's just not I mean, there's there's good bank of material there, but it's not how I've won it, and so it's frustrating me a lot. And then I do start to recognize people who've like come to previous iterations of it and are now back, and I'm just

then analyzing, Fuck I have I even changed it? Is this the same as it was a year ago when I first started doing this sort of like tentatively? Fuck? Fuck fuck do you think I'm some sort of wild hack? And that's when it freaks me out. But it doesn't. I don't think I'll let them down. It does just make it easier, like they'll go with you for ideas a bit more and early on, your stuff isn't well my stuff anyway, early on, isn't this at its gaggiest.

It's not, it's jokiest. It's more ideas and premises based, and you need some encouragement for that. So, like, I think back to all the premises I've abandoned when I was brand new, because I was, like, you know, scared not selling them, and the audience weren't just definitely on my side, and there probably was something good in there, but the first time I said it made me feel uncomfortable,

so I just never fucking did it again. And I think, I mean, it would be handy if you did have a room of fifty people who went this might go somewhere. If you got your notebook with your old stuff in it, with your old abandoned premises, I think they're somewhere, But I never that abandoned premises. Well, a great name for a shot, great great name for Shade twelve. Right, I'm abandoned premises. It's a good name for a working progress tour. Yeah. I've had this a few times there where people come

and see me do stand up twice. I hate it. It's so depressing. There comes to me like twice in a month. There comes to me and they go, I really love that. When are you next time? And I want to go, well, don't don't come to the next gig. Yeah, probably be very similar to this gig. And then you feel like a sort of magician that's let them down, like they go, oh the thing, yeah, he thought of That moment we shared was a lie. It's horrible. Yeah,

it's very uncomfortable. There was there was someone who came to see my last tour seven times or something, and it's like, there are there are unique moments on the night, but there are one percent of the show is a unique moment on the night. Yeah, and they're also in that show was like a couple of things that started as ad libs and then only worked if you presented them as ad libs. So to continue to be fake corpsing, not quite corpsing, but fake like oh shit, I've said

that wrong kind of thing. But it made it funnier eventually, and it is revealed in the bit that it was all a ruse. But that moment isn't is like a moment that is as it grows the idea that like if you you basically can go home on that night, and I've got plausible deniability if you see it once. Yeah, I just I did fuck it up, and then I'm a genius and I made it sound really clever. But if you come seven times. By the seven time, as I go into that, but you're like, fuck, you know,

the actions got worse. Oh it makes me feel so sick, the idea of that. Yeah, I get it. Fuck, it's horrible. I just think, if you like a comedian, see them once and then see them again a year later, don't see them? Yeah, the same, I say, because I'm going to try and I'm going to try and rinse the tour for as much as I can, So I give to see them once and if it was great, never see them again. That's our advice. That's our business plan.

You know what. I treat comedians like World Cups? Yeah, World Cup comedians every four years and not a second sooner, and just just don't ask them about their human rights record. Reese, you have come back to life. You get a second chance. But I've brought you back to life because I like you. But what point in your life will you come back to? What will you cha? Will you keep the same? Who is that is that God? If you like, yeah, it could be. I think it's me. Oh, I think it's me,

but in the sort of never never world. But because you see your you consider yourself to be God. I'm like an infinite being and I live in heaven and I also can come. I sort of move about as is my word, right right? All right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Well, there's the comedy ego and you've been having a while. I'm like, do you know what putting back? Putting back? You think I was in heaven? No, come on, you

were you were when you when I killed you? You were, okay, fair enough, But for the stuff I got away with in heaven, I mean I should have been I should have been relegated. It's one of the reasons you've been brought back to it. All right, okay, cool, I've got to try and make up for it. I want to be back alive, and I want to be twenty two,

nearly twenty three, please go on. Why Well currently I'm thirty one, okay, but the reason twenty two, I mean, I'm so if I'm backstage at a gig now and there's a young comic on the bill and they're talking about their life. I am the most commudgledly old wise sage that you've ever Fuck it. It's ridiculous because I looked like a little boy. So it's really disconcerting for me to go, don't waste it, enjoy it. These are the best dams of your life. But basically being twenty two,

there's a few things. I just met my girlfriend, very ecstatic, exciting. That's the best bit for you now. I said this to her. I said, I've got to figure out what time i'd come back. I'm going to be twenty two. And she said, well, we hadn't met yet, and I said, no, we met midway through. I wasn't saying I'd like to come back one week before I met you, darling have sex everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well I wasn't saying that publicly. But you're looking at my eyes breath. But

I just met her. It's very exciting, isn't at the start of a relationship. But also at twenty two, I hadn't even done a solo show yet. At the end of a fridge, hadn't done my debut show. I wouldn't do it for another two years. And I met some people I did some gig I ended up. I did some like open mic gig or something recently, because it's not been that great since Mark the Weekended, and I was basically it was a bunch of new comics on this bill and they were all talking about going to Edinburgh,

and I was like, what you're doing Edinburgh? They was, I'm just doing like a two hander, which is where you split an hour. You both you do half an hour each, and there's just so little jeopardy. You will not get any press or industry or anyone, not that those people matter, but it's just literally that's a time in your career where it's just about getting better at stand up and writing bits and like I say, ideas

and having fun. But also you're at a time in your career where every bill you're on is full of your mates. It's all just you and your peer group and your age group. Whereas now you get to a point where you're all headliners and you never fucking see anyone. Oh you're all on your own tour, and then you hardly ever see anyone on bills anymore. So you're just like that. That's why it feels when it feels lonely,

is because you go. I mean, we occasionally we get to do like a fun mixed bill thing at some theater in London or whatever by some of these one of the big five promoters as we call them, do we I don't know as I call them, but the big fun yeah yeah, And we occasionally get to do that, and that always makes me feel like, Ah, remember when this was every night of the week, when it was like every lineup yere on. It was so rare that

someone wasn't kind of your school year of comedy. And then there was a year where that started to end, where people started with text and go, I see you're at that club in London. I'm over here, should meet for a pint? After all, people would go to the Sow Theater or whatever after and then that died out as well, as you know, relationships started happening and people

got cats. So that's where I'd go back to and I'd make the most of it, because I really didn't make the most of it, really truly didn't make the most of it. And I'd get in the gym quicker as well, get it straight in the gym at twenty two. This is very upsetting. The thing we're coming back at twenty two. Is there are bits then that you're going to have to do again. I mean you'll be a hell less stand up when you start. You'll be like you'll be doing your three person bill and fucking smashing

this ship out of Edinburgh. No press, but people on the street began. I saw Ese's seven minutes. It's incredible. Oh yeah, am I allowed to do my material from now? Yeah, you're you now, but you're now in the body of a twenty two years so it's well, that's that is me now. I mean now in the body of a twenty two year old, as it is so Actually, no, if I'm going back at twenty two, I'm mean now in the body of a sixteen year old. That's what I look like at twenty two. Oh my god, this

is great and everything. I mean, listen, what we're learning here is your wish of being twenty two. You couldn't do this, Yeah, I could do this. I should have just changed my Wikipedia. Yeah I'm not in Yeah, I must tell everyone got resurrected ten years ago. Yeah, if you wouldn't mind, because I've sort of made a rid of a rod from my own back or my materials about being thirty one now, yeah, so I've sort of

made I've made a big mistake there. Go back to those abandoned premises and yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all about being twenty two, and but they're also so what I'm aware of what I was like at twenty two, and it's weird because I'm having thought of this, I'm really conscious of it now, is that at twenty two, I was a bit of an old timer mentally, and so I was like trying to live a slightly older person life a little bit and was a bit like, nah, I'm not into not I wasn't not that social, not

into partying and all that sort of stuff. And I'm doing the same and I'm conscious of the fact that I regret that, and yet I'm only thirty one and I'm doing the same thing now as well. So I'm now literally no, oh, just to change it then and just go and do the things you wanted to do. And I'm still not going to do that. So when when I come back on this podcast to forty one,

that's what's going to happen. You just basically play this again when you come back on your this podcast the next The next one is Judgment Day and I'll kill you again, so don't worry about it, right, fine, Fine, So that'll be a dream come true. Takes the pressure off. Yeah god, it's the same as Mark the Week, big, thank god I'm dead and at yeah yeah yeah, back in beds, you know what I mean, the living. I'm very exciting to see you again. But they want to

discuss films. Interesting, isn't it the films that represent your life and your taste. So please, let's talk about these films. What was the last film you saw? Race, James? I saw it two days ago on my own in the cinema, the best case scenario. It was called The Menu. Talk to me. What did you make of it? Yeah? I found it really good fun. What was fun about the experience.

I was in one of those cinemas with like little sofas, like a boogie little studio cinema, little sofas, and I was on my own, so I was in an arm chair on the end of a row, and then next to me was this couple, and the girl in the couple wasn't that into it. But directly next to me was this bloke and this couple and me and him laughed. The exact same volume at every moment, and we kept

looking at each other like we should be mates. Yeah. Yeah, that was the vibe where it was just like, oh my god, like and at first I thought, well, a lot of the laughs are just those like like out of the nose exhale laughs. So I was like, well, that's a maybe a bit part of the course. And then there was one moment that happened where the only two people in the cinema who laughed were asked and we both were like and I was like, oh my god,

this is it. And then not only did we look at each after that happened, but she sort of like leant forward and looked at me as well to be like, fuck off, stay out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it was a really good It was a good fun film. I thought. Nicholas Holt plays a sort of ed gamble character and it sort of this dweey little guy who's obsessed with food. It's like about a tasting menu, really, but it's like a dark, sort of almost horror comedy. It's it was good.

It's a really good premise, to be honest. I mean, I'll talk about it as much as you want, but I sort of feel like, if you're going to go and see it, you should go in knowing as little

as possible. But it was really good fun. And yeah, Nicolas Holt's like one of those guys at a tasting menu who's like he knows everything about the machines they used to make the froth and all that, and he's asking the chefs all these questions and he's taking pictures on his phone even though they said not to and stuff. And I texted ed Gamble immediately instead, have you seen

the menu? You like stuff? You love shows with menu in the name, And he said no. I was going to go see it, but I'm scared I'm going to be skewered. Please tell me they're not going to skewer me. And I was like, mate, oh, they skewer you big time. It's basically a film about you and James. You ask you ed, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, who do you think Rice

James should play you in the film of your life? Well, on the topic, a lot of the evidence points to Nicholas Holt, given the amount of times in my life that has been brought up to me to my face. But in recent years there's been another arrival entry to the Nicholas Holt angle, which I think is probably actually more accurate and a more fun answer for this so honorable mention. Nicholas Holt actual answer, Daisy Ridley Ridley handy exactly like me. It's ridiculous. Daisy Ridley till you die,

that is you. Yeah, my goodness. And Daisy Ridley is great, great, very good. And she cut her hair short recently, and I was like, well, this is this is a nightmare. As if I didn't have enough of my play with the Nicholas Holt stuff Rice James for Chelsea and now Daisy Ridley's cut an air to look exactly like me, I mean, for fuck's sake, and then the week gets canceled. I'm I don't exist. She's very good. I mean, you'd be you'd be lucky. You'd be lucky to have in

the field of your life. What's the most romantic film you've ever seen? Are you romantic? I used to be quite quite a sad thing to say, isn't it. I used to be I was a big gesture guy because I grew up on TV programs like The OC where Seth Cohen is a character that taught you that you know just stand on a coffee cart and profess you love for the prettiest girl in school despite you being a geek, and it will change everything and not be

a humiliating thing that you shouldn't do. Definitely shouldn't do. It. Turns out recently, not a coffee cart, but DIDs down on a wall and do something similar. Anyway, this story, No, I didn't quite do that. I just was like when I was an achy brick, So okay, perfect example. You know, there's moments in life where you find out that you're not You're not how you perceive yourself because suddenly some information is revealed about how you are perceived by others.

For example, yeah, yeah, for example, once we got into mock the weekend, did you do a little rehearsal just to see where you've got a stand and stuff. It's not scripted, and I could say, I could say now if it was. In fact it is. It's written by the guy I wrote How I Met your Mother. Anyway, I played Frankie Boyle, but James sat down. It was me, James and Hugh on a team, and James sat down and said something along the lines of like, oh, good to see we're all on Team Dweeb today or like

team Geek or something like that. And then I genuinely was like, oh, I thought I was a cool comedian. I thought people thought I was one of the cool comedians. I thought I was seen as cool and I thought I was. And I was like, oh, right, okay, I'm one of the dweeb comedians. I'm one of the in cells. I didn't realize. Yeah, yeah, so that was the moment. Were you sad for the rest of the day. Oh yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't a great moment. But it's okay.

I'm in good company with James and Hugh, two very happy men. But I and we laugh, right, I bear in mind, I just told you I thought I was

the cool comedian. The next story, which is about how romantic I am, is that when I was running the student newspaper in sixth form, Student Sketch, not very inventive, and off the back of when I ran for a head boy after the hustings, we decided to do a double page spread of all the candidates and their like strength and weaknesses, designed like yeah, you guessed it, Pokemon cards. As I say, cool comedian, And I didn't write them

because I was in the running. My mate Cow wrote all the strength and weakness of the candidates, and my weakness in there was owner of an achy breaky heart. And now I didn't know people knew that. That was a time when I was like seventeen eighteen where I was like, oh shit, that's enough of a joke that you think that everyone else would get it when they read that. I didn't know people were aware of that. Just I thought all this poetry i'd been writing about

that one girl was a secret. But no, turns out everyone's aware of my whole vibe. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yes, I'm romantic. I would do gestures, they would be misjudged and misplaced. And then when I finally found someone that I love very much, who is my girlfriend now, she was not massively interested in the gestures I would do, And that's why they have died out. She didn't need gestures. That's the whole point. It wasn't about gestures. It was about well, I don't know, I guess it must be

my dazzling looks she's in today. She's a big Star Wars fan, so she's killed romance. She said, no romance, please, no ak breaking that sort of vibe. Yeah, but in a good but it's a positive way. But sorry to answer your question, Oh yeah, go ahead. Well, obviously it is before Sunset. I mean, I don't know how anyone could argue that anything else is as romantic, and not even nothing else in the trilogy as well before Sunset. For me, the middle one, yes, the first one is

obviously it's extremely romantic. The first one yeah, But the first one is like, to me, is like Route one fictional romance, because that is all about we just struck up a conversation on a train and walked until it got dark and then did or did not have sex and it was amazing, and we're just going to meet up and that just sort of thing is like, no, it doesn't happen, And that's not the feeling that I

find romantic. The feeling I find romantic is the fact that they spoiler didn't meet back up in six months, and which you find out in Before Sunset they didn't, and he Ethan Hawke had been very upset about that for the last ten years or whatever, and she had kind of just like repressed it and tried to fill

the void a little bit. And that's what it's really like, that's what and like the heartache they would have both felt in that time apart from each other, just thinking, oh fuck, we said we'd meet up and he did go there and she didn't go there, and he's basically written a book about the whole thing because he can't process it. That is what romance is. That is what

love is. That's why the best ever love song is Dancing on My Own by Robin because that is a real, actual feeling in love of I'm watching you kiss someone else and I'm hearing you can't see me. That to me is exactly what it's all about. Now, maybe I've got some issues, but that's why I I really respect that answer. Thank you. Now. I say this before sunset one of my top five final scenes in a film is in that film the best endings to a film ever,

most romantic scene and anything ever. It's so good. What a song, what a song, what a moment, what a time? To cut? Is perfect? Yeah, absolutely flawless. And then, much like your relationship before Midnight is unbelievably unromantic and incredibly dark. Would you know what? Yeah, do you know what? I haven't seen before Midnight? Because I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to ruin it. I don't mean it's

so perfect to me before sunset. I mean I probably have to see it, don't I. But it's really interesting and it's heavy. I mean it's it's it's worth seeing and I think it's very real. But fuck, it's not. It's not quite what you're expecting. May Yeah, they mean too much to me as as a coffee. I don't want to, but they I know it's going to end. It's okay. I'll consider it when you when you kill me again, maybe we can discuss before before midnight if I get to it. What is the best film you

ever saw that you never want to see again? Well, there's a lot. There's loads so obviously honorable mention uncut gems, but I think I do want to. Weirdly, it's like it's a film that makes you very uncomfortable because it's so tense. But I thought it was. It's one of the best things I've ever seen in my life. You were there when I saw it, Yes, we were in the cursin Yes, yeah yeah, And I was with my partner and so unromantic. I could tell the moment yeah,

she said, don't hold my hand. If you want to laugh with the blake next you, that's fine, just don't look at me. Can you make a friend? Actually? Yeah, why do you think? I'm at the cinema on my own watching the menu. But yeah, it's such a it's also such a bad It's not a couple film at all. I mean it's the most uncomfortable and tense it's possible to feel in the cinema. But people complain about that because they get worried about the you know, the sound

mixing and stuff. I just thought it was fucking genius. Everything about it. I thought it was amazing. I actually like films that make you feel uncomfortable, because I don't. It winds me up when people are like, oh, that was a bit tough to watch in places, I'm like, yeah, that means it was good. It fucks me off when people need everything to be uplifting. I just think you're as child, get a grip feel it's great when you

live to dinner and you're exhausted and crying. That's why this is a hard question for me, because I would watch loads of this again. But I will say there's two the emotional toil of watching Interstellar. I can't be asked with again. I think Interstellar is amazing. I think it's amazing, but I don't need to see it for a single second ever again. And it's sort of one of those films as well, where I think, now I know what happens, it's like, yeah, I can't I'm not

going to enjoy the start. But the one I definitely definitely don't want to see again is marriage Story. Oh wow, okay, yeah, and I love marriage Story, but it's too real and I can't do it. I can't do it again. It's hard. Oh god, It's great, but it's fuck you know, so great. I was thinking about it the other day, about the

sequence with the pocket knife, the pen knife. Fucking great movie. Yeah, it's there's so many good moments, and you know, the meme, the Adam Driver meme is a great scene that is made to seem ship from the meme, as those things often do, a bit like Harry Style, the Harry Styles clip from Don't Worry Darling with the accent, which to me is just a Northern accent, an English Northern accent an American hasn't heard before saying this sounds like it's from Texas and New York all at the same time,

and it went massively viral, and I was like, no, it's just that's what it sounds like from Lancashire or whatever. But and even in the context of the scene, the escalation makes perfect sense for him to be that angry. I was likely, there's nothing wrong with it. But in the cinema people laughed at it because they were like and laughed at Harry Starles for it because they were like, had been told to by the Internet that this is a funny, embarrassing moment. And I was like, no, no, no,

it's actually fine. It's actually fine. And I feel like that a bit with marriage story. But I just like it's too accurately reflective of going out with a creative person and how fucking selfish we will will be, and how narcissistic we will be, blind to the fact like we're behaving in this way and blind to it, and how fucking hard work it is. I mean, I sympathized

with her so much throughout, even though I'm him. It's one of those films where I was like, she's a creative she is, yeah she is, yeah, yeah, yeah, And she's doing her place, but she doesn't have the same Maybe her narcissism is delivered differently, but it wasn't as on the surface. But it was one of those films I was like, I watched it on my own and I was like, I'm not even going to mention this

to my girlfriend. She she must not watch this, Yeah, because this is a propaganda films in this story, and we were letting we must never let anyone see this film. What is the best action film you've ever seen? Okay, right, so obviously the best action film is Connair. Not that I've ever seen is Connair. And I saw it when I was twelve, So that when I was growing up, there were some twins, there were some identical twins who I was friends with, who were the troublemakers, who who

would lead me into all sorts of things. So, for example, the first time I went to their house, when I arrived, their dad was like, watch this, and then he lay on the bed and lit a fart. So that's sort of that's the sort of upbringing these twins had had. They had a half skating half pipe in their garden. Brilliant. Some people have a trampoline, some people don't have a garden.

They had a full half pipe in their garden, and they may said, like day one when I went around, they were like things I wasn't allowed to watch at home, like South Park. She's like, it's on, and then they were like, you got to watch this film, and they put on Predator and we watched Predator and I was like ten, eleven, twelve whatever, and then Conne we watched him. I was like, Okay, well, this is just great fun. If it counts though, as an action film, which it

probably doesn't, then it's Oceans eleven. But I don't know if there's a lot of action in it. But would you say it's got to have guns and shit like that to be action? Is that just a heist films? Like you know what, it's you. It's your choice and your interpretation of the question. And it's an interesting answer. Way, Oceans eleven. You can have it Oceans eleven, but best film of all time. That's why it's flawless. Well doesn't mean to be. It's the film I could watch. That

is a film I will watch. I've already seen a hundred times. I watch it one hundred more every time it's on TV, which is every day and I'm around, I will watch it no matter what how far through it is. I can pick it up and watch it. Everyone's brilliant in it except one person obviously. And now there's an accent clip that should have gone viral at the time, cucking slagging off Harry Styles. I think it did.

I think people were. Yeah, people did. Yeah. Yeah. The sad thing is, I think I think that people gave it the benefit of the doubt of like, oh, you're doing a thing on purpose, and I think he admitted no, I wasn't. I was really trained. I thought I was doing it properly. If Don Cheedo had been in the world's biggest boy band for sort of six years and this was his first role, you might be a bit more like fucking el mate. But but you know, he was a sort of known, celebrated So yeah, yeah, I'll

go with corn Air. But Oceans eleven I'm given on a role mention too interesting. Of all the films, of all the films in the world, of all the films, if you had to, which film do you think you could have made? And why? Super Bob, easy piece abiss I've watched it, could have made that with my eyes clothes mate, no fair play, no, no, no, it would be similar. It would probably be super bad. Super Bad speaks to my youth. I know. That's the point of it.

It's got the kind of jokes in it. I don't think are a million miles away from the sort i'd write. I mean, I'm writing, I am writing a film at the moment, as you know, and it isn't It isn't a million miles away in a sort of dynamic and relationship. The other one is a brilliant film that I think is massively underrated, a comedy film. And again, this has a lot of the type of joke that are in this script that I am writing. And it's just so well done in so high budget. Is the other guys

it's great, the other guys great. It's unbelievable. I mean, the gag rate is insane. The performance is a ridiculous. There's so many funny ideas and sequences in it. Yeah, and it's like it's almost as dense as like airplane, But it just doesn't seem like it is because it's just it's not in one setting. It's so fucking good and I'm not saying, oh it's so good, therefore I

could write it. I just mean it is the sort of thing I would be aiming for if I was writing something would be along those lines of like super bad the other guys, never would I achieve it. The joke in the other guys of his wife and even Mendez, and he's embarrassed because she's said normal it's fan yeah, yeah, and actually right. So here's why I picked. One of the reasons I picked it before i'd seen that film, that joke was in our thing. That was in our

He's got this amazing he's got this unbelievable wife. One of characters has this unbelievable wife who's so wonderful and supportive, and he just keeps being like, fucking hell all right about everything, and he just can't see that this is the most wonderful person in the world. And it's just like, oh my god, I'm doing it. But she's just being so go out there chasing dreams on its fucking fine God. And then I watched that and I was like, all right,

that's how to do that. And they also did it that she's obviously the most stunning person you've ever seen. And he's saying make a fucking effort going out a dressed like that? Yeah, so good, so funny. Which film have you pretended to like to impress people? So I reckon every film, but I do it the other way around more I think, which is I pretend not to like stuff that I do like to you know what

I mean. It's more like when people are slagging something off, I sort of more join in with that, do you know what I mean than when I think, oh, actually, so like there was a period where everyone turned on Love Actually and was like, actually, it's so problematic and this, this and this, and I was just sort of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's awful. It's the worst film ever, and everyone in it's a prick and everyone involves a twa And then I'd secretly be like, well, I've seen it eight hundred

times and it's wonderful. But then suddenly like I'm just using this opinion I've heard and then like trying to change my pair minds on it when they're watching it Christmas, saying this is you know, this is actually a terrible and then being like but sucked in sitting one inch from the TV terrible film. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly that and like five hundred days of summer, people seem to turn on. I just take the end of

five and doing something, but otherwise think it's great. I think I pretended to find Austin Powers funnier than I did because I was eleven, Because so we were all like, oh my god, it's not the funniest thing ever, and so you had to just be like yeah, or you couldn't have any friends. And I probably found it quite funny, but not that funny. When I was at school, I remember, and this is what would happen a lot. This is where I remember doing a lot of pretending. My mate

said to me, oh no, I think. I said to my mate, have you seen the world? Is not enough? And he was like yeah, because that's what you do. Just pretend you've seen stuff all the time. It was more or less pretend you like it. Just pretend you've seen it, and then when they question you, you go, I've seen bits of it, but you wouldn't if they go, I don't you love the bit where that happens. I've only seen bits of it. What are you talking about?

It's cinema or not in this era? So what did you just go to sleep, randomly went in and out, went in and out. Yeah, yeah, snugging someone in the loose. I had diarrhea, so I was up and down. But I said, have you seen the World is Not Enough? Anyone? Yeah? Yeah, And I went, oh yeah, what's it about then? And he went it's just sort of about the world not being enough. And I was like, oh, yeah, you have seen it. That's what life is like when you're ten.

That's really good. The main one, sorry, in this category, definitely, they're all honorable mentions, is the Matrix. I definitely pretended to think The Matrix was brilliant and love it, and I didn't have a fucking clue what was going on.

I didn't understand the second of it. I respect that, yeah, I get it now, but I was, you know, in my early teens when it came out and we were like, yeah, I watched the new one, the new one, and I did like a you know, the Matrix trilogy in ten minutes to catch up to remind myself, and I watched it and I was like, fucking, I don't understand any of this. I understand the first one, but two and three, yeah, yeah,

I haven't bothered it. I didn't what's that shit? Because in my opinion, the first one I was like, yeah, I vaguely get there's this other sort of there's real life and then there's being stuck in this or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of just like, oh mate, you know what? Just what is this? You just give me in canto or something? This is too confusing? Where are the songs with batteries? Oh? God? Yeah? Which film have you never seen that? You think it's mad?

You've never seen it? Brett? This is where you end the call because I've got so many. I've got so many, it's insane. Just give me one. You're going to be glorious. They're all huge. I'll pick a big one, but I'm going to say him quickly. I'll listen. Tell me them really quick, Green Mile, Godfather Part Two, Shore Shank, Redemption, Citizen Kane, Ben Her, Wizard of Oz, Casablanca, Raging Ball, That is mad? What is the film you love that

you don't expect anyone else? All right? Fair enough? Married on the goal. I can't believe I've forgot You're about your little joke? Do it? Is that a bit? Yeah? There's nothing to say, is there? Because you haven't seen it, so what could you by? What opinion could you possibly give? Well, you get I think I've got past being mad at people when they said, you know, people going, oh my god, Janity, you fucking prick, and you think people are busy, people

have lives. What it also means, it's what a treat You're going to see that thing one day? You haven't seen it? What a treat? With all of those ones I just listed, like I've seen bits of them. You know what it's about this citizen called Kine. Oh yeah, it's about a Tottenham striker. Um, okay. The film. I can't. I didn't expect anyone else to like, not because it's bad, because it's so unbelievably specific, and it genuinely felt like it was only about me. Is mid nineties. Can't believe

other people relate to mid nineties. It's such a specific story and it happened to me. I mean, that's exactly what my That's so true of my childhood because I was like kind of pretended I got into skating and then I was like hanging out with some older boys. I did, but not really, and I was very I wasn't brave and you've got to be brave. So I wouldn't. I wasn't willing to do anything. And I was just like, but I would like I tried, and it was because

the older boys were doing it. I sort of got in with them, but I would just sort of hang around them, trying to pretet. I just oh, you know, you know what it's like. But that's why it's like I watched that, and actually I watched that with my girlfriend. We left and I was like, she did. She really enjoyed it, but in no way related to a second of it, whereas I was like left like, oh my god, that was like it was like my life on screen,

and I feel so anxious and weird now. And she was like, all right, I thought it was just quite a pleasant hour and a half. And I was like no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. That's so that's why I can't believe anyone else would be like, if you don't relate to it, I don't see why you'd be that fast by it. But I think I think you know, we've we've talked about this before.

We certainly talks about it on the pod. The more specific a thing is, the more the more people relate to it because it Yeah, if the more specific is the more universal it is. I've related to that film that I'm not a skater. No, I guess the skating. The skating doesn't matter. It's about the it's just trying to Yeah, yeah, interesting. What is the film you would show a lover, not a romantic loverage, it's your lover. Well, it's the film you would show a lover and a

test to see if you should be together. Get out. It would be get out because if they react incorrectly, they are racist. So to me, you just got to test. Look, I'm not gonna I think we put too much weight on liking the same things in a relationship. You know, for example, I like love and romance, but but I you know, I don't need that. But I think we put too much weight on that. I've got to all be into the same things, and I really think you

shouldn't feel like that. It's nice to have a few things in common, but you also want to have debate. And it is trating when someone doesn't like the thing you like. But at the same time, it's like it's weird. We get really I used to get re annoyed in relationships when we didn't like to say if I loved a TV show or something and it wasn't and it affected me and it wasn't loved by the person I went out with. But then if a mate had a reason that they didn't like it, I would always be

really receptive and listen to that and their opinion. And I think it was just like, I'm too close to this person. I really care that they're emotionally invested in things I'm emotionally invested in. But at the same time, I love football and care what happens to Tottenham every week and it really affects me emotionally. And my girlfriend would not watch a fucking second of football and has no interest. And I don't have an issue with that.

Why is that I completely agree with that. I don't mind if you don't if you don't care about football, but I do mind if you don't get twin Peaks. Yeah, yeah, yeah right, And I love and I love twin Peaks. Why why? Why is that? You're right? I don't know. Is it sexism? Is it a bit deep rooted sexism thing? We go, well, it don't matter, say football? Is that what it is? Well, blokes scary and it of course she would't understand, whereas oh, oh we're going with the

woman understand this exactly, Yeah, have feelings exactly. So she's watched Telly, yes, you know, so she can get Telly, but you know, of course she don't want to understand the offside rule. For god's sake. Fuck, how long we got It must come from that. I don'tually think it probably does come from sexist expectations. We've got, is that it? And we're discussing sexist pigs. I think we've just learned

that we are discussed these sex romantic ones. Yeah romantic, yeah, but this is my theory about roman Romantic people are in cuts. Basically, it is all the things from films, people standing on fucking These are all people who've never spent any time with women. Yeah, yeah, yeah, or anyone, and no one really wants that. Romance is people who never with women. They came, well, it must do big things. It's embarrassing. You're embarrassing, mate, and you're pressuring. Well, no

one gestures. That's the whole point of gestures. Is there a waste of fucking time? That's what a gesture is in general, like an outside of a relationship, as well, like a political gesture. What we know that I mean is something that held held no actual weight. If you want to show someone any kind of love or whatever, you just need to do useful stuff for them. It's basically what it is, isn't it. It just like relieves some stress for them by you know, taking some of

the workload. There's none of this. Yeah, okay, I know I've left you to do absolutely everything in the house while you've also got this big work deadline. But look at this big bear I got you. That's holding a heart that's more to things to tidy. Yeah, if you if you've actually paid any attention to my taste and decor, I like minimalism. Now I've got a fucking giant bear in my empty room. Yeah yeah, But yeah, it would be get Out because I think, well, one, it's just

one of the best films of all time. I think I still think despite how highly rated get Out is, I still think it's underrated. And in twenty years it will be talked about. It will be in those conversations more. It just we're too close to it, so I need you to like it. But also I just think there's moments in it that would be really telling in a part as if like, oh, you're enjoying them, you're smiling at the wrong bit there, You're really into the bit

where the baddies were winning. So yeah, I think might end this. You keep saying, you keep saying yeah, but he was in the West wing. It doesn't matter. Yeah, he devoted for him a third time if he could, he did say what's the film that made you the most uncomfortable? These teams well? Once again. Honorable mentioned for uncut Gems. Honorable mention for Under the Skin. Yes, amazing film. Under the Skin made me had to go for a walk after it. It was fucking and he was in lockdown.

I already used my walk that day, so it was literally illegal. Honorable mention for Room. But I talked about Room a lot the last time I was on how uncomfortable I felt in Room. But I'm going to go for and again this is gets so Viscerou's so real, all my friends hate me, Oh my god, Yeah, which I saw recently and fuck, yeah, what a film. It's so. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I felt I was just like pulling my fucking jaw off my head. The whole time it was stress. And

it's just the subtlest, smallest stress. It's the jeopardy's quite low as in because it's just like, it's not one of these things where you know someone. It doesn't really feel like anyone's going to die or nobody's it worse. It's social anxiety. Yeah, oh my god, I thought it was so good. I fucking loved it. I mean, we know the people who made it so that I was also invested in the film being good. Maybe that was some of the discomfort. I really wanted it to be good,

but it was. It was brilliant. It's really really good, isn't it. I Mean I was talking with someone yesterday and they were saying, like, oh god, what's it like to die on the stage? And I was like, oh, it's horrendous. It's really truly horrendous, the worst thing in the world. But it isn't worse than a social like, it isn't. Yeah, because because the person said, you know, I know what it's like when you're at around a dinner table and you say something that doesn't land and like,

oh no, that's worse, that's worse. It isn't worse. Yeah, Then death at a gig, because a gig it's strange as you don't have to see him again. You can walk away. Yeah yeah. And also you're doing something you sort of win a little bit, I mean not always, sort of win a little bit by being the person who was fucking brave enough to get up there and do it in the first place. Where is it a dinner party? It's like, now we're all we're all talking, man, we're all saying stuff. It's just that some of our

stuff's working. It's just or when you like, oh, when you say something that someone's offended by or whatever, and like whether it's fair enough or not, you just met, you've made someone feel like shit, Or when you like get someone's name wrong, or like say something and you know that he's standing right behind me. Is an e type moment. Sending a text to someone that slagging that person off and having to be like, no, it's a

little joke. Oh god, oh my god, that is worse and that is what all my friends hate me is like yeah, it's that now. Yeah. Yeah. If you could show a child one film, what would it be? And what on earth is happening? Race? I don't know how to the child. Is that up to me? Yeah, that's upolutely. I mean they're young and not a teenager. We're talking like, you know, you're trying to perhaps teach them, certainly, Perhaps

that could be your interpretation of it. It could be I want you to have this experience when you're young, you know, whatever your view is. But it's young enough that this film should hopefully affect them. Well, if you're I guess nine or ten, that's just old enough. I think to watch eighth grade, and it's going to set you up so perfectly to watch eighth grade and go because it's really it makes you really anxious. But the message of eighth grade is it's fine. No one knows

what they're doing. It's a bit like Boyhood, I think, but it's just quicker, doesn't take as long, and I can't see a tenure concentrating all the way through through Boyhood. Yeah, so it's that or if not, if they're any younger than that, and this is the film, it's a child or adult. If they hadn't seen it, it would be Paddington too, because it's unbelievable. Okay, but I think it

comes up a lot on here. So I'll say Monsters Inc. Which I think is also unbelievable and is underrated, and it came out at a time where I could feasibly watch it all as a child, And I don't know, it's not I don't know why it's not in the conversation with some of these great like animated Pixari films, it's not. It doesn't seem to be held up as high. And I think it's easily as good as some of the main ones, some of the big ones, I think,

because it's not about like the other ones. It's not about you know, death, depression, yeah, despair on we the pointlessness of existence. Monster Zinc. Is about that, I'll being friends and sleeping and being a bit scared. Yeah, that's because it's fun. Yeah, I suppose. I don't think it would teach anyone anything if I if I'm thinking about it,

really it's just great. But it's just like if so if I'm if I was babysitting my niece, you know, is two and a bit and I had to show her something, I would be like, we want to have a good time, so let's go with Monsters Inc. And if she starts crying at the monster straight away, all about an absolute shocker have and I. But maybe that's what it teaches her to get over it. They're not real. Yeah, they're all right. Reese James, you have been so great.

I've decided I'm gonna let you live, but just in case I decide to kill you again, which could happen one day. What one DVD would you like to leave in your will for friends? Family, Loved One Gone, Romantic Loved Ones, thunder Road, Great thunder Road, Jim Cummings film. I believe he's been on this show. Friend of the Pub Jim Cummings. Love. Jim Cummings's got so many good films. Love the Beta, Test, Test brilliant. One of my funniest scenes in the film is the test, and they're one

of the funniest scenes in the films. In thunder Road. Yeah, the opening of thunder Road, which is the short basically that it was based on, slightly adapted. The opening scene is It's one of the best comedy performances I've ever seen in my life while also being insanely emotional. And then the whole film Fuck Me, What a Fuck absolutely knocked me out emotionally. That film, fucking how it's so and the reason it's in here is because no one

knows about it. Whenever I mentioned it, no one knows what I'm talking about, Okay, and it's oh, I should have given that to my parents. I'll give that as well, but they It's just I love it so much. His performance is fucking amazing. I love that it's all him and he wrote it and he produces it and does everything, and he's sort of trying to do really good things in the film industry and change the way it's done a little bit, sort of take it back into your

own hands, which is brilliant. But that's not why, because even if that wasn't the case, this film would still be ten out of ten films for me, even if it was made by a big some big wig excellent. I fucking love it. Reese James, when's your tour start?

Tell the people what do they need to know? February twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three, which might be the year you're listening to this in In February, it starts just going at the moment until the end of May, and then it'll probably start up again in the autumn. It's now a lot of the dates are sold out, So get a ticket. Get a goddamn ticket. If you want to see all its material about being twenty two, you need to get a ticket to show. Absolutely, Rice James,

you are wonderful, what a pleasure and enjoy. Thank you for doing this again. Have a wonderful life. Thanks for having me. Good day to you, sir. Goodbye. So that was episode two hundred and twenty seven. Thank you everyone for listening. Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward slash Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty minutes of chat secrets and full uncut video with Riece James. Go to iTunes give us a five star rating. But right about the film that means the most to you and

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