Rachel Bloom • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #194

you for reminding me of that, Stephen Ericson. Every week I'm invite a special guest eiver. I tell them they've died, then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone and even Ken Lambele's. But this week it's the brilliant actor, writer, singer, comedian and crazy ex girlfriend Starr and co creator Rachel Bloom.

Huge announcement. I will be doing a massive, huge, big live Films to Be Buried With live at the Hackney Empire on July second. Tickets are on sale. You can get them from Plosive dot co dot UK and Hackney Empire dot co dot UK. Come along, we have a right out time. Head over to the Patreon at Patreon dot com, forward slash Brett Goldsteam, where you're get an extra fifteen to twenty minutes of chat with Rachel where we laughed a lot. We talk about beginnings and endings.

She told me a secret. You also get the whole episode, uncut and ad free and as a video. Check it out over at Patreon dot com Forward slash Brett Goldstein. What's Ted Lasso on Apple TV Plus, watch Soulmates and super Bob on Amazon Prime. That's all your homework. Let's get on with this show. So Rachel Bloom is the brilliant and amazing star and co creator of Crazy Ex Girlfriend. She's also in Angry Birds too with Jason S. Dakis.

I've wanted to get her on the podcast for years and so I was very grateful to be able to have this. I'm with her. We recorded this on Zoom couple of days ago, a few days ago. Why do you need the exact time? It doesn't matter as it is here. That's the main thing. She was amazing. We had a brilliant time, and I really think you're going to enjoy this one. So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode A one hundred and ninety four of Films to be Buried With. Hello,

and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by a writer, an actor, a comic, a sketch co a musician, a singer, a songwriter, an award winner, a director, a screenwriter, a show runner, a creator, an executive producer, and a musical star, and a humor and a person. Please welcome to the show. I can't believe she's here. It's only the one is Grega Blaine? Oh, thank you for what an intro. Ah, what a treat to have you. How are you? I'm

so good, Thanks for thanks for coming on. It's daytime where I am, it's nighttime where you are. Thank you for the compromise. Well we've met in the middle, and I'm glad we have Rachel. We've never met before, but hey, huge fact. B first heard about you from Catherine Tate. Don't know if you know kine of I know of Catherine Tate. I am stunned. That she knows me well. I worked with Katherine Tate. She was obsessed with you, and she said, you've got You've got to get her

on the podcast. And that was a while ago, and then I saw your show and I was like, we've got to get her on the podcast. And also, I'll tell you what I forgot any intro, you're an angry bed You're an Angry Birds too, with Jason C. Dakis, who I also know. Of course, I was like, what's

your connect? But that makes more sense. Also another connection is my husband wrote on ham at your Mother with Joe Kelly No Yes and Joe Kelly major co creates a right to exact on Ted Lesso says your husband is his favorite person, which made me really sad because I thought we were class Really sorry, I mean, my husband's my favorite person. But I guess what I'm realizing is maybe Joe Kelly's fucking my husband. Yeah, that's the takeaway I got for him today. Tell me this so

many questions. So your your biggest your big your big show. Crazy Kaffrid ran for four seasons. Correct, yes, yes, correct, there's a test on your own work. My question is how do you do what you did, which was make an hour long show twenty episodes of season? Was it sometimes thirteen, sometimes eighteen? Okay, but now I needed you have to write and acted and directed and make all those things. But you also had to learn song and dances and write winning songs every week. How did you

did you have a nervous breakdown? How many of those songs already existed? How? I mean, it just seems impossible and yet yeah, so so let's see first two seasons not a nervous breakdown. But there was a point in the first two seasons where midway through my body broke down and I got very sick. And season one, it was around episode thirteen, and it was right before I had to do a big kissing scene. And I would

never do this. I would never do this now. But like you know, back then in twenty sixteen, you still did a kissing scene when you were sick, and so I had. I had my first kiss with Vinnie, who played the role of Josh, when I was really, really, really sick, and he loaded up on garlic to try to not get sick. And so my first kiss with him was just disgusting. I was I thought it was a prank. I was like, what is it was coming out of his mouth and his nose and his horse

heat eating so much garlic. And then I got sick in season two and then season three I had a legit panic attack that was my yeah, and the season four no technical panic attack, but I got sick numerous times, like my body was was done. And you know it's interesting because people say, how how did you do it?

In The answer is, and I'm sure, like you know, you're an actor and a writer, you get like you kind of you do what you have to do until your body says stop and then you call production and you say I'm sick or I'm having a panic attack, but like you just kind of you just kind of do it. When you kissed Josh and you were really ill and the garlic did he get ill? Or did the garlic work? He didn't. I think the garlic worked, So why don't we late in garlic all the time?

This is I guess we should just I guess that was the real COVID cure, right, And then I, yeah, I don't think I got I'm And then season three that finale, Scott who played Nathaniel, was really like deathly ill. I mean, not deathely, but like he was really sick and we had to kiss. And I don't know if I got sick. I always got sick after a season ended. I'm sure this happens to you, where like your body the adrenaline goes away and your body goes between. Now

we can get sick. What about the you know, obviously I can relate to this, And I'm curious about you had a show that was season one, huge success, award winning, came out of nowhere. No one knew anything about it. There it was Did you feel the pressure and if so, how did you cope with the pressure of writing the next three seasons? Did it get easier? Did it get

harder every year? How was that? Well? The lovely thing was when Aline because Aline Brush mccanna was my co creator and the showrunner of the show, and so she when she and I pitched the show, we had a four season arc that we kind of pitched, and so we always had a nice guide post of Okay, what's the point of the show, where are we going, what's the story we're trying to tell? And as successful as it seems that the show was, I mean I got

a lot of Awards. That first season. It was a pretty like Under the Radar show, So it wasn't as big, it wasn't ubiquitous like ted Lasso. It was a cult hit and remains a cult hit. And I don't know, but even if it had been, you know, no matter what, I think, all you can do is just keep doing what you're doing and writing the thing that you'd want to watch, because that's what made people watching in the first place. And so there were definitely some fan questions

and interaction that we'd like put into the show. You know, fans had asked, why is Rebecca not on medication? And so that definitely informed a storyline in season four. But for the most part, we had like a plan and we knew the point we wanted to make. So that was nice, right, Not that I'm about kind of asking, now, would you do another full season big TV show? Again? Not one that I was So we were in I guess in the US what you call a network show.

We were on technically a broadcast network, which meant that due to episode orders, but also just money, we were writing while we were filming, while we were editing. It's not like I think a lot of streaming shows, not all, but a lot of streaming shows like right, and then they filmed and then they edit, so we were doing it all at once that I wouldn't do again, especially not for thirteen episodes, mainly because it was hard, but also I have a child now and I thank you,

and I wouldn't have been. I'm on this new show right now. I'm filming a show with Hulu, and I'm number five on the call sheets, so that means, you know, I'm not in every scene. But last week I had a string where I was called you know, five thirty am, like every day, and I didn't see my daughter at all, and it was hard. It's really because she's too she doesn't understand. So that's another thing I finally get when people were saying, oh, I can't do this because of

my kids. You know, before you have kids, Before I had kids, I was so selfish. I was like, who cares about your dumb kid. This is your career. Your career is the most important. Yeah, when people when people are like, oh, my kids, I'd be like, that's so lame. And now I'm one hundred percent get it, of course.

I I yeah, it's uh, it's it's really hard to go to work when just yesterday I saw my daughter in the morning and I got to like change your diaper, and then I said, okay, I have to go to work, and she went, Mama, no work, oh god, and it just was like oh oh. And and it's hot and I can't bring her to set really easily because of COVID protocols. Um, so it's it's hard. Yeah. Oh man, what's the show. It's called Reboot. It's a show. Yeah, it's just it's just great idea. Tell thee tell the idea,

tell the idea. Well. So it's creative by Steve Levitt who did Modern Family, of course, and it is about a show from the early two thousands that gets a reboot on Hulu. It's a Hulu show, but in the world of this show, it gets like a reboot on Hulu, and it's about the cast coming back together. And then I play the creator of the new the reboot of

the show. It's a very good idea. It's a great it's a great idea, right, Like it's really perfect, and the cast is like awesome and very I get to work with Paul Reiser and Judy Greer and Johnny fucking Knoxville and Michael Key like it's it's awesome. That's pretty sweet. Yeah, it's really cool. And do you miss are you going to do he used to do a lot of life. Are you still doing live? Is that something you're going

back to? Oh I am. I've been doing it intermittently in LA because I'm working on a special and then I want to be doing I want to be ramping a live performance more. I was just pretty cautious for a long time because I have a kid, and then now I'm filming, so I do it less, but I would love to and then I'd eventually love to go back to like Europe in the UK and perform, because that was a thrill that happened right before COVID happened. I got to perform at the Palladium for two nights

in London, and man, that was just so special. That's pretty sweet. It was amazing. Shit, Rachel, Fuck, I just I forgot to tell you something. I've just looked at the knights I made and I should have told you this probably at the beginning. Oh fuck, I'll just tell you. I'll just tell you. We'll have to tell me. Well, we'll do what we can, but there's not much I can do about it, because it's just a Okay, you've died, you're dead. Oh yeah, it's really sad. It is said,

how how did you die? I know exactly how I died. I choked on a bunch of multi colored scarves. Whoa this? Go ahead, tell me how that came about. I'll tell you why I know is I used to write for this sketch show, Robot Chicken, and the first the first season I wrote for it, season six, the episode titles on that show kind of are whatever, and so every episode title was they asked a different writer and a

different member of production how they think they'll die. And so one of the episodes in season six is mine, and it's choked on multi colored scarves. So I've I've thought about this before, and the way I picture it is like I'm going to be one of those old ladies or older ladies. I could picture this happening as early as my mid fifties, where I'm just wearing suddenly a bunch of shawls and scarves and I just they get wrapped around each other and I choked to death

by your own hand, my own hand. It acts then you're putting them on. You're not concentrate, and you keep adding them, you're tying in them. They get cool within each other. You're trying to Yes, I think it was a Duncan. Is a door Duncan died that way? The uh is it door Duncan? She was She had a long scarf. She was in a car and the long scarf got wrapped around the wheel of a car. It snapped. Oh Jesus, yeah, wow, that's me. She went the way

of VI. Is a door Duncan? Do you worry about death? Basically? I do? I do. I Actually the live show I'm working on right now is a lot about death. M Yeah, it's been a journey. I went through a Basically, I gave birth in March twenty twenty and I gave birth and it was, you know, right in the thick of the early pandemic, so we didn't know what the fuck

was happening. And my daughter was born with fluid r lungs, so she was in the NICKEU, which is the neonatal ICEU, which is terrifying anyway, and then it was a pandemic and then uh, and then a week after my my one of my songwriting partners Adamslessenger died of COVID. So it was all of this kind of yeah, it was all it was. It was basically all just all of

this very you know, it was. It was hard, it was awful, and so I've been thinking a lot about I hadn't my life hadn't really been touched by death and hospitals and grief and fear of death like that before, and so it definitely was a defining in many ways, like defining a couple of weeks in my life. So I thought I thought about death, but actually I've been writing a show about it, and it's it's really helped me come out on the other side and start to

at the moment, get okay with it. Would you mind if if if it's possible to talk about how you've got to the other side, like what's your thought on it now? Or if actually it's gonna like it's the end of the it's now the ending line of the show, so I'm going to hold onto it. But if it's not the ending line of the show, whenever it becomes a special, I apologize. If if it's not the ending line, is shie, will you please just email me yeah, I will. I will also just tell you off Mike. Okay, no,

that's tightly fair. Well about what do you think happens when you die? Do you think there's enoughterlife of any kind? I do, uh, look, I am, I do not, but I would love there to be good news. Good news there is. Yeah, there's a heaven and it's it's pretty fucking great. It's fielding your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Pasta? It is made of pasta, all the pastas. The wolves are lasagna things. The seats are those by tie things, but the right soft or hard however you like your seats.

The food is pasta. There are waiters made of pasta or the clothes of pasta. At some point you walk around as Heaven regretting choosing pasta. There's so much of it. However, the people have pasta Heaven. They're so excited to see you. They're huge fans of all your work and they want to talk to you, but they want to talk to you about your life through the medium of film. And the first thing they ask you is why is the

first film you remember seeing? Right, Chill Blaine, I love Heaven and thank you for asking pasta people The first film I remember seeing is Steel Magnolias. What. So we had the VHS and I watched it all. We watched it all the time. The first film I technically ever saw was Dirty Dancing, but I remember seeing Steel Magnolias before then. Because I don't know if this is an actual memory I have, or if my mother told me,

or if it's a mix. But I was watching Steel Magnolias and it's the scene where a spoiler alert, Julia Roberts character Shelby dies and it's her funeral. It's very intense, and I said to my mom, I don't like this scene. I don't want to I don't want to look at it anymore. And so it's also this memory that's wrapped up in like an inkling of death. Fascinating that the very fast film you saw that is the film. It's Yeah. I mean, I just for whatever reason, it was a staples.

It was a staple in my household, and I just I think that's like my earliest memory watching a film. Wow, And do you have siblings? No, I need child, just me, okay, yeah, just me and the madness. So you and your mum, what Steel Magnolia is together? My dad would watch it too. I don't know if you'd watch it too or just be forced to watch it because my mom loves steel Magnolia is so much. But we would watch it together. And I think I think the time that I remember

watching it that there was a death scene. It was on TV. I think it was on TV all the time. I think we had the VHS, but also it was just always on I was watching it. Yeah, what is the film that scared you the most? Right, cho plain the Shining. I was like eleven, and I was home alone, and I was watching it at night like an idiot. And then the scene where you realize what that red rum is murder spelled backwards. I screamed, and it sucked me up for a long time. That's a great film.

It's classic. One classic film to to scar you. Yeah. I think the scariest bit is when you read what he's been writing. Oh yeah, yeah, that's of course. That's not the scariest bit is the fucking twins. That's the scariest bit. I mean, the old lady in the bathtub is that's scariest. Yeah. And then and then the the zoom on the guy in a bear costume, getting a blowjob is pretty unnerving. That's true. That out. I've mixed that up with Midsummer What So do you like being scared?

Do I do? I don't like stabby stabby whoo whoo as much as like psychological thriller and then it earned something. I mean I loved Midsummer. Yeah, that's oh god, I love them movie. Yeah, yeah, that movie could I could see some parallels with that that may Bee and stuff you've done. Yeah. The unsettling their unsettling tension. That's artsy leading to a big scare is my jam. Yeah, I like that. What's the film that made you cry the most? And do you cry a lot? And do you like

to cry? I like to cry. I wish I cried more. I really liked the release of Crying. I used to cry more when I was more emotionally unstable and now fortunately I don't. Um Okay, the movie that made me cry the most and it's a movie that we had the I guess the VHS of that I finally watched. There was a made for TV movie called Testament and it was made in then, I want to say, the seventies,

and it's about a small town in northern California. Five minutes into the movie, they're watching TV and TV goes to static and there's like a message on the TV screen that's like several nuclear devices have been fired off the East coast and then all of their lights go out. And basically it's a movie about this small town, but it's very clear that every major city in the US has been nuked and they don't know who it is and they don't know why. And you slowly see everyone

in this small town die of radiation poison. It's the saddest movie in the world. And you watch I think Jane Alexander, you watch her friends die, you watch her children die, and it is it was so upset. I think I saw it in high school and it was so upsetting. I definitely couldn't ever rewatch it, especially not now as a mother. Jesus. It's it's fucking dark. It's really dark, but it's about like, you know, I think it was made height of the Cold War, so it's like,

this is what could happen? Okay, now, oh yeah, it's a bummer. There's an English cartoon film called When the Wind Blows You ever heard of that? And it's it's basically the film Testament, but with cartoons. It's just a sweet old couple and they're like this sort of northern couple and there's a what they get, like a thing in the post that says lock your doors or something, and you never see basically in that they don't see it.

But there's a nuclear war going on and they're just slowly poisoned and it looks like a very sweet film, and just slowly through the film they get grayer and grayer and they can't breathe anymore, and they go, we make a cup of tea and they just slightly die. So fucking dark. Oh that's very that's very um. I feel like that's very English, like the American. Like the American is like, look at all these people die, and I think it's just like shall we shall we make

a cup of cheese? Everything's all right? Yeah, the wife it's kind It's cold, isn't it. It's so cold, It's so horrible. It's on the children's you know, kids TV type for when the wind blows? What is the film that you love? Most people don't like it. It's not critically acclaimed, but you don't give a shit what anyone says, you think it's brilliant and you will not be turned.

I really love She's all That. That's fucking great. It's really good, and I rewatched it recently and like it really holds up and rachel Leiee Cook is amazing, and I just why is she not in More? I don't understand it, right, question? Why isn't she in More? I don't know. I don't know the answer. But she's awesome and that movie's just great. It's really good. I mean, She's all that is a proper Oh my god, she's

taken off her glasses and she's fit. I mean, like, such a defining moment of how I see love and romance is when she walks down the stairs to kiss me and you see her for the first time, Like that is sex to me. Yeah, i'd agree that is. I would also say that's sick, which which says a lot, because it's all about like her conforming to like looking you know, conforming to the male gays, conforming to like how people you know, looking conventionally hot. So it's like

fucked up, But I still love that scene. Well, it's grace o Liver again, isn't it. Yeah? Yeah, But also a great scene. Yeah. For the record, obviously Grace Too is the better film because it is not about the blood email gays anyway. It's about being your girl for all seasons exactly. Thank you, thank you. What is the

film that you used to love? You loved it, You've gone back to it recently and you've thought, oh, no, I don't like this anymore for whatever reason that might be well, speaking of John Travolta, another staple in my household growing up, probably because it was on TV so much, was Look Who's Talking Now? The third installment in the Look Who's Talking series? It is the one of the talking dogs. Yes, I watched it all the time, and

then I rewatched it. Um Actually when I was when when my daughter was like a couple of weeks old, I was just like, I want to watch a bunch of stupid eighties movies about having a kid. So I watched the whole Look He's Talking franchise and I was like, this movie is literal dog shit. They did one more right, Lukis because I loved Luckie's Talking One was I mean, I was very young. It's one of my favorite films. Luka's Talking One's fantastic. Look Who's talking too? Is terrible?

And look Who's talking now? Is an abomination. It's it's an insult to the art of film. And I'm astonished. Is it only dogs talking and Luckie's talking now? Or also babies? Who else is talk? Kid? No? So now the kid? Now? The kids can say what they mean with their mouths. So there's no more Bruce Willis. It's Danny de Vito and Diane Keaton nice. I mean, you're making me when to watch it. And it's still best the Alien, Oh, it still is. And their marriage is

just broken and terrible. But their chemistry in the first movie is like undeniable. They're so good together. Yeah, it's a great film. Does it hold up? I haven't wort it a long time, but it genuinely used to be one of my favorites. Looka's talking definitely held up right. Also Luke Who's talking? Credit sequence best best showing people how sperms and eggs work. Yeah, it's so incredibly good.

And I do credit that as I had an awareness very young of how babies were made, and I think a very healthy way, and I credit that movie Around Around, Get Around, I Get Around, just little little breaths swimming through the follow to the head Rachel Blade. Yeah, what is the film that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because the experience you had around seeing the film will always make it special to you. Well, this film is amazing anyway.

But Coco I saw, actually i'd seen it for the second time. I saw Coco at the Hollywood Bowl when I was probably six months pregnant. Oh shit, And you know, Coco's all about a father who leaves a daughter, and so my husband and I knew I was pregnant with a girl, and my husband and I were weeping and it was this unbelievable. They had live performances, they had people singing live. There was like orange streamers that came down.

And then also it was a couple months later was the pandemic where we weren't able to be and go to live performances for quite some time. So that night was just so special. That's people, I really love Coco. I have talked about it on this podcast, but it genuinely made me feel better about death, like genuinely, it sort of changed my view on it. Wow. Oh yeah, I Oh, it's all right, and't it It made me want to put up. I think it's called a fred

of the Afrida or the Afrida. I apologize to the Nation of Mexico for my mispronunciation, but I made me want to do that. Mmm. Yeah, it's a very special film. Yeah. What is the film that you relate to the most, Rachel Blaine, I mean, yeah, absolutely. Um well, welcome to the Dollhouse. I saw when I was in middle school and was being bullied. Oh good, like don and so I really instantly instantly related to it. Oh god, yeah, yeah, unfortunately that makes me sad. Yeah, yeah, I have middle

schools terrible. Oh good. When did you start? When did you start doing your your performing it a minute? Oh kid, a little kid. Yeah yeah, I was doing like community theater productions, which only I grew up in southern California by the beach, and when I grew up now it's it's kind of different. But like when I grew up there, there there was good There were good theater programs, but it wasn't like you know, in most like in most places,

it wasn't the cool thing to do. And I was super into especially musical theater, and there weren't a ton of outlets for that, And that's just scratching the surface of all of the ways. I felt like Dawn and Welcome to the Dollhouse. But that's such a horrible film. Oh yeah, it's ro it's rough. Oh it's rough. And I saw it and I was like, yep, m hmm, yep. These are my classmates. Oh god, when did that get better in your life? Was it after school? At no?

Eighth grade? Eighth grade? And I and it's directly correlated to they. At my middle school, a teacher made a musical theater class and it had been like an after school club the year for and then he decided to make it a year round class, an elective. And you know, I'd been doing I've been studying musical theater. It had been my passion, and suddenly it was like the thing to do in this middle school. And that's what got me respect. That's nice. What's the best part you've played

in a musical thus far? Oh, probably Stole the Witch and into the Woods. What is your dream role in the musical? You know, honestly, I Harold Hill and the music man would be a delight. That's a fucking great idea. I'd love too. I'd love to do that role. What a fun what a just a joyful fun role? I mean I could. I don't need to see why that isn't happening. You could make that happen. I'm a people want to do this. I have said it, but I'll say it again. I am Techavale. Anyone who wants me

to play Harold Hill I am here Zecha Vale. You heard it here? Yeah, Todd Sillons, the director of Working to the Dollhouse. Oh yeah, it's a very specific thing. I say this. I'm not a fan of his stuff, and only because his world view is so depressing that I sort of don't like to look at it. I think, you know, it's interesting and good luck to him, but

now it's bleak. Oh. It is so so aggressively dark and very of the especially of the nineties, when I feel like, I don't know, the world was in a relatively stable state, that there was a I think a love of darkness because it seemed foreign and exotic. But you couldn't do a movie like Happiness where the lead is a literal child molester and you're weirdly not rooting for him. But understanding you couldn't get that movie made. Now the world is the world is too dark. The

world is too dark? Now, Yeah, that is really interesting point. It's a comedian called Phil Wang, you might know, and he has original about how he hates horror films, and he's like, the world is scared. Basically, it's like, I'm from somewhere scared. I don't want to be scared. It's I'm already scared. I don't know, it's a luxury to

be good. Oh, I'd enjoy being scared. He's like, I'm fucking scared, absolutely absolutely, And I feel like that was the I don't know, that felt like the entire nineties like we weren't scared, so it's like, let's let's scare ourselves another way. I'm so mystified that Squid Game was the biggest TV show in the world because I found Squid Game and I watched all of it. I found

it so incredibly depressing and bleak. Yeah, but I guess maybe in that case people craved a bleakness that was well, at least I'm not in a squid game, like my wife life is terrible right now, but at least I'm

not like literally fighting for my life in a squid game. Yeah, and I always say, you know, I've had someone on this podcast too, had a you know, horrific the worst thing ever in the world happened to them, and he was saying how he and his wife then went to watch I think it was Hereditary or something like that, something really really scary and dark, and they laughed the

way through it. They just felt like, well, it's not this, and you know, like they almost felt more connected to a film like that because it was like, yes, this sort of shit. Do you know what I mean? Right, Yeah, it's about validating. Yeah, it's a hot take. I like that. Here we go, Rachel Blame. It's probably the reason people tune in. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Rachel Blaine. Well, here's the thing. It's not the sexiest film. It's not.

It's not the sexiest film I've ever seen, but it's it's defining in my sexuality and it's Austin Powers to the Spy shacked me. Oh that is a fucking great shout because it's so about sex. It came out, you know, when I was twelve or something and Heather Graham when they first revealed her. I was like, that's what people want and a woman, that's what I want to look like. And it really did, I don't know, define my sexuality in many ways. I mean, I agree, I agree on

everything you've said. It is a very sexy film. Heathergram is unbelievable. Oh my god, she's so beautiful, unbelievable. And you're right, that is entirely a film about sex. It really is all the Austin powers movies are. I've got a subcategory question, Yeah, traveling, bonus, worrying. Why dons the film you found a rousing that you weren't sure you should? The Sound of Music please continue? And I mean, no one has ever been as hot as Christopher Plumber in

that movie. No one who among us wouldn't want to be Maria having our virginity taken by Captain Vontra on our wedding night. What what's the key to Christopher Plummer in the Sound of Music? Why? Well, I don't know the guy in the world because because he's moodie, because he's like I think that a big female fantasy or maybe it's just me is like up. But you see it in fifty Shades are gray too, the idea of an emotionally problematic and reserved man who can be opened

up only by one person. That's like we talk about, like, oh, what's a female fantasy. A bunch of hot, hot guys glistening on a beach. Now that's the male idea of a female fantasy. An actual female fantasy is Oh, I know he seems problem I know he's an asshole, but alone with me, he's not. Like, that's the fucking fantasy. And so like him with his fucking a whistle. And then when they're doing that, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Oh the fucking tension that earn.

But both cases they're living in very fantacy. Yes, it's the fantasy of as as a lean. My writing partner says, I don't know she coined this, but it's the fantasy see of the capable man. It is. It is like the f it is, I think, this fantasy of somewhat toxic masculinity. He's rich, he's reserved, but you can you can open him up, you can find his vulnerability. I mean, that's why I was into Rex Harrison and My Fair Lady I'll say it. I'm into Henry Higgins. I mean,

it's why I'm into everything. Alan Rickman ever did The Based, Beauty and the Base. Why does she want him? He's difficult, exactly. He's difficult when he's got a castle. But that's you know, a lot of money makes you want to fuck a dog. One of the top answers we've had to that question. Thank you very much. You're welcome. What is objectively right to a plain, objectively the greatest film of all time, the very pinnacle of cinema. It might not be your favorite,

but it's the greatest film. Oh yeah. I mean I'll be a basic bitch and say, I do think it's Castle Blanca. I mean, you're absolutely right. I just think it is. I thought about this and I think my favorite film is actually The Cabin in the Woods, which is a really specific answer, but yeah, I mean it's Casa Blanca. It's yeah, I mean, it's flawless. And when we think about it, like, is he emotionally problematic in Casablanca? Oh god, yeah. Oh he's so locked up. Yeah, totally.

And he's got a bar that's kind of fun. Yeah, he's got a bar. He's mostly problematic. But also he's very good at sex. That's clear in the film. Yes, in the way that you might not know about Captain run Trap. Oh, Captain von Trap could be bad at sex. Actually, you're right, there's a version where like that guy's not that guy's not listening to your needs. He keeps blowing the whistle that sorry. Although okay, here's an argument that he is good at sex is that I feel like

Barrett the baroness, you know who he's engaged to. She's been around, and she's not going to like fall in love with the guy who's bad at sex. So I I think, in fact, I think the Baroness taught him a bunch of things and made him better at sex. Yeah. Right, and she's a baroness. He's not moving for his money. No, she's got money. She's with him for the sex. Yeah, and you're right, she's taught him everything he knows. So basically, thank you to the baroness, says Maria. Thanks, yes, thank you,

but also thank you for all you taught him. Deleted scene after you do the music Man. Maybe we could do the extended version of I really think we should. Let's just yeah, but cas Bank, we know he's good. We know he's good. That's why she's there. But he also is like, you know, your your guy that you've got to go with. He's probably not great, but I

reckon the guy she's got to go with. I reckon he does well, it's not natural to him, but he knows put a certain amount of time in you know what I mean, Like it's I regine, it's quite regimented. But oh that's an interesting But I think he's like so fixated on his writing. I feel like he's gonna be fucking you less than he's just distracted. He's distracted. He's got like a bunch of other ship going on. But yeah, I think it's it's like sort of a

set time. Yeah, he'll do it, yes, yeah, five minutes up here, five minutes down there, and then you know, I mean sort of laid out and I'd say it's good, it's you know, it works, it's serviceable. He's not missing anything. But it wasn't like natural bizzazz that you get with Rick. Yeah, I agree, I agree with all of that. What is what is the film that you could or have watch the most? Iver and Ivery? Again, I think I could still watch you Frame Roger Abbott over and over and

over and never get tired of it. Nice. It's just it's fantastic. The first time I saw it, I we got the VHS from Blockbuster, and I remember watching it twice in a night. I was like in mid school and it was summer break, and during the summer I was allowed to have a TV VCR in my bedroom, which I wasn't allowed to during during school, which is

a good move on my parents. And I just watched two Frame Roger Rabbit, I think two or three two times in one night, and then I watched it again the next night before we had to bring it back to Blockbuster. And I also had a lot of imaginary friends as a kid, and a lot of them were cartoon characters. So Who Frame Roger Rabbit is like my imaginary world come to life in which cartoon characters exist in the same world as people, and actually it's pretty crazy.

My husband wrote the new Rescue Rangers movie that's coming out in May, which is basically like this. It's a world in which humans interact with cartoons like and pretends that and it is like kind of a Who Frame Roger Rabbit for a new generation and like, I can't believe. I can't believe it's getting made, and it got made, and I can't believe my husband wrote it. Fucking love Rescue Ranges. Yeah, it's it's really it's really trippy because who frame Roger Rabbit is just we have multiple posters

of it up in our house. Did you have imaginary friends who cartoon characters pre seeing who frame Roger Rabbit? Or was it because no, see you were like it's all true. When you saw that, fan, I was like, this is the world I want to live in. Wow, what were you? Were your imaginary friends cartoons off the Telly or brand new inventions you've made? No, they were always they were always. I wasn't creative enough to make

up people. Uh my my imaginary friends slash Later my husband was bonkers deep Bobcat from the uh Disney Afternoon show Bonkers, And it wasn't Yeah third grade and like I pretended it was like a deep, deep fantasy, like we were dating and then we got married and then like I definitely would like roll around my pillow and be like, oh, I'm having sex with Bonkers. I knew, because I knew that sex was a thing. But I

didn't really know what it was. Yeah, it was a yeah, so you would talk out loud two bonkers have sex with bonkers, but like at school or just at home, like as in, were you talking out loud in school? Just at home? I only told one friend about like my bonker's secret relationship, and I was like, and I was like, don't tell anybody though, because I knew it was like kind of embarrassing. I love it. What I mean, I actually don't almost don't want to know this, but

like when did it stop? And if so, was there goodbye? Did you and Bunkers get divorced or his bunker is still around? We didn't. He's not still around. That would be although you know what, can't rule it out. He may come back. I okay. I had a doll called him my twin doll, which is a doll you could get me in that looks like you that my parents got for me. And there was one time I pretended to give birth to my my twin doll, and that

was mine and Bonker's baby. And then I think it ended shortly after that and it just stopped or you were like I need to take goodbye. No, it just kind of then like I don't know, it just all stopped.

Like maybe I repeated the cycle a couple more times, but it was definitely like a cycle where like we were dating, we had sex, we got married at his baby, and maybe I repeated that like twice, and then at a certain point I would go through these rituals like I had a couple times I would do a Barbie wedding where I would have various different Barbies get married

to each other. But like those were events. I remember making a friend watch my Barbie wedding and then she told me my Barbie wedding sucked, and I never wanted to see her again. But like once those Barbies were married, they were married, and that was cannon, now right, I think I know why bunks left, if I may. I've certainly heard in science that you know, baby evolutionary baby comes out. When it first comes out, it looks like

the dad, so that dad doesn't leave. So the dad knows it's baby you gave birth to week, you gave birth to twit of yourself. It's a bunk because he's like, well, who the fuck, who's the fucking father? Ain't me? Yeah, I got I'm gonna go back to being I think in the lapd which was what the show Barker's was about. Yeah, I'm going back to the police for us, back to my first lab. Totally right. We don't like to be negative, right,

So what's the worst film you've ever seen? The first ten minutes of Breakfast at Tiffany's, Oh boy, yeah, yeah. I could only watch ten minutes. And then the second Mickey Rooney was doing that, I was like, yeah, I'm out. I don't want to see this movie. It's wild that it's in'ssane, it's it is. It is insane that that was um even it was wild at the time. I'm sure there were protests at the time, but also like

a cipher being wildly racist. Also like it's just not funny, Like I just don't the fact that that was ever like funny is Yeah, it's I wad that that's sutuly like classic film, people styled themselves and people took I heard about that film for years. I knew girlfriend's obsessed with it, and then you watch it and you go like,

what the fuck. Yeah, I think there's the whole Audrey Hepburn allure, which like people have a thing for Audrey Hepburn's vibe in the same way they have for like Marilyn Monroe, she's just like kind of cool and sexy for sexy's sake, which like, isn't really my thing in anyone pool and sexy for sexy's sake. I don't. I just don't. I just don't get I just don't care. I just don't get it or care like I like her. I like Audrey Hepburn when she's in a good movie.

I like Audrey Hepburn and Roman Holiday because it's a good movie. You like your Humphrey Boga. Oh I do. I do. Maybe it's that I'm just tragically straight and so I'm not into like the women. I think it's like the women, like if you're into somebody totally, I get people love marily Monroe, Audrey Hopper and they're sexy, but like, if you're not into women, it's the women who are, like I want to be like Audrew Hopper

and I want to be like Maril Monroe. And they have like their phone cases, you know, our our Marilyn Monroe and they have pictures from like do you are you into her? Or what is this? Because Marilyn Monroe died, had a tragic life, Yeah, and really struggled. So what is this? What is this you're idolizing here? M yes, yeah, it's the it's the it's the idea of mystery, isn't it. It's the idea of happening mystery about you. But it's nothing.

It's all the way, but it's an illusion. It's it's miss You're totally right, it's I want to be mysterious. From the male case, from the way men men look at me, because both of them were male sex objects. Yeah, that's my cuckoo clock going off. By the way, I have a little cuckoo clock. Is it just one one noise per hour? Or does it go nine times? For nine o'clock? Eight goes nine hyde clock. She was just going off one time to tell me it's on the half hour, she likes to tell me. And at night

we can turn her off. Okay, there's little switch ever forget to him wake up in a panic screaming when it goes up in the morning. And luckily we don't hear her upstairs. Um, but if we have guests sleeping downstairs, it definitely wakes them up. What is you're you're you're in you're in comedy, you're a comedian. What's the funniest film. What's the film that made you laugh the most? Naked? Gun? Fucking great. It just continues to hold up the more and the more dated the jokes are, the more for

whatever reason it holds up. It's fucking funny. It's just so good. Yeah, and he's extraordinary. Lessie Nelson is extraordinary. That is an unusual thing that he is doing, and he does it perfectly. He's unbelievable because he plays he plays it straight so well. But yet there is in all those movies physical comedy where he can he turns on the ham machine just for like just a moment, and then he pulls it back. It's it's it's an art.

And then even the O. J. Simpson of it all like, yeah, you're seeing O. J. Simpson get like the shit kicked out of him. It only makes it better. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But he has Leslie Nelson has that thing. I can't think of anyone else who really does it. But like he is being completely straight, completely serious, but there's something there's like a glint in his eye, there's something that you know he knows. It's funny. But at no point is he's not winking it. He doesn't. I

don't know what it is. It's so subtle, but there's something about him that's like, this is fucking funny, but he's doing it entirely straight. He just gets it. Yea, it's it's amazing. He's amazing. And Rachel Bloom you have been an absolute delight. However, when you were fifty five years old and you had a series of multi colored scarfs, and you much like our old friend Isidora Duncan, whoever that is, you had, you put on a scarf and you put another scarf. You're like, it's cold in it.

It's cold, it's really cold, and you put on another scarf just in case, because you don't like to be cold. You got in your car and you got in the car and you were like, it's actually, really, this is too many scarves. You started driving for a wind down the window. I might lose some one of these scarves, and you tried to pull up one of the scarf.

Scarf whipped out the window and you were going along the freeway and it was so fast the scarf whizzed out of the window, got caught in the wheel, but it was still round your neck, and I'd say, within a half a second, you'd broken your my neck. And then you crashed into five hundred trucks and the car exploded in a fireball and flipped three hundred times over four freeways. It was quite something. Series ser He's joining in and anyway, I heard this fireball, and I was like,

where's Rachel Bloom? I was meaning to catch up with her. I'm walking along with a coffin, you know what. I'm like, just walking along the freeways and I see this, this fucking explosion. People clapping, They were like blood. Yeah, that was very dramatic. And I go, what's going on? Was that Rachel Bloom? And they go yeah, And I go, oh shit, So put out the fire. I'm finding your carcass. It ain't good. I'll be honest. It's wrapped in scars, it's got bits of metal, it's got bits of tarmac.

I've had to chop you up with an axe because so much if you stuck to bits partly into the coffin. I stuff you in my suck hand. But there was more of you than I was expecting, what with all the extra stuff or the barriers everything in a wheel anyway, there's only enough room in this coffin now for me to slip one DVD into the side for you to take across to the other side. And on the other side, it's movie night every night, and one night it's your

movie night. What film are you taking to show the past to people of Heaven when it is your movie night, Rachel Blue? I think it's going to be who Frame Roger Ubb fucking great. I don't think that's been taken by anyone else, so people will be delighted. But if it is to be that, as it is Heaven, I will make a request that you when you watch it when it's your movie night, that bonkers gets to sit next to you and hold your out Thank you. Okay,

Rachel Blue? Is there anything you'd like to tell people to listen to or look out for in the coming weeks and months? Oh? For me? Yes for you. I have a paperback of my book just got released, so by it hey and tell us what it is called again, please, It's called I Want to Be where the normal people are? And your show reboot will be out soon one day.

See yes, I don't know. In the floor hopefully we'll see and you can watch a crazy ex girlfriend on Netflix, and you can look out for your live shows that you will be doing at some point soon. Yes, Rachel Bloom, what absolutely delight you've been. Thank you so much for your time. I've loved this. Thank you for having me have a wonderful death you too. We'll see you soon, See you soon. Good day to you. So that was episode one hundred and ninety four. Head over to patreon

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