Pete Holmes • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #171

Jodi Picot. I love that film wildly underrated. Every week I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Jamila Jamil and even Shared Blambles. But this week it's the brilliant comedian, actor, podcaster, writer and creator mister Pete Holmes. Get over to the patron at patreon dot com forward slashpect Goldstein. So long run

this one. You get an extra thirty minutes with Pete where we go deep. We talk about beginnings and endings. You get a truly upsetting secret and the whole episode uncut and as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slashbrett Goldstein Ted last of season two is all finished. It's all available now on Apple TV Plus. You can watch the whole thing in one go. Soulmate season one is on Amazon Prime. You can watch that in one guy. You can watch him both together separately,

one at a time. However, we want to do it by you fucking mind. So Pete Holmes. Pete Holmes, if you don't know him, he's a comedian, a writer, an actor, a creator, and a podcaster. He's got one of my favorite podcasts called You Made It Weird. I very much recommend it. I met him recently. I was so excited to get him on the podcast. We recorded this on Zoom a few days ago. He is a pure joy. I think I gave him a couple of standing ovations. You are going to love it. So that is it

for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and seventy one of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined Today by a writer, a actor, a podcast of one of my all time favorite podcasts, a father, a husband, a stand up comedian, a legend, a hero, a superstar, and a god, amongst men. Please welcome to the show The Brilliant. It's oh my goodness,

thank you, kindly, thank you. I just plugged in my headphones during that kind intro because I realized, for tech reasons, I'm so happy to be here. I'm a fan. I've listened to the pod. Come on, I enjoy it. I told you off Mike that everybody secretly wants to do it. This is the podcast that people play in their head when they're on the on the toilet or in the shower and they're like and then he says, what's the one that's given you a boner shouldn't have? And you're like, well, Brett.

So it's awesome to actually be here. This is my twenty twenty Well, Pete Homes you know I'm a massive fan. I love your podcast. It's one of the few podcasts that I listen to on the RAG And I think the reason people want to do my podcast is because it's one of the few podcasts you can do where you don't have to talk about what you're working on at the moment. So what are you working on at the moment? I love it, I love it, But you do have something? You do have? Yes, tell us the

big news. I do. Oh, you don't actually want it. The bit is that you don't want to know that you don't. I do, I actually do. I actually was. It was half a jig and half setting you up to plug about the big, big exciting well I am doing. I'm about to do a multicam, which you said, which really made me happy. You said, when a multi caam has done right, you went look out, which made me

really happy. Which made me happy. Yeah, so I am about to start that, which is exciting for a lot of reasons, but maybe towards the top is like being with people, acting with people, being on a set with like camera operators and sound people and script supervisors, Like it just sounds like heaven to me. When I was doing the other shows I've done. You do them long enough, you really do start taking it for granted. And now after this time away, I'm like, I'm gonna be amongst humans.

Sometimes they're like it. Think about how many hearts are beating in the room. And just like, look at all the hearts beating in this room, how many eyes or are kind of floating around taking in what they can take in. And I was like, we're here together, and I'm super excited to try to be funny and have fun.

And when you're just acting, so you're a writer and an actor, but when you're just acting, I find it's much easier to just be like kind and sort of zen and like sort of float around and be like, well, it's not my decision, you know what I mean? You have to go like, wow, we have to beat this joke or write this new scene, or like oh they're saying we need to change this. Just get to show up, stand where they tell me to stand, say what they tell me to say, and be a nice person. And

I'm excited about that. Wow. Well that's interesting actually, because you have been doing a lot of writing out in your mind stuff. Do you not think you'll be tempted to have a wright stand up brain, particularly with a live audience with a mike. If something I'm assuming in hoping these writers are real excellent, but if anything kind of doesn't quite land that you're going to be like, oh, as you'll stand up braining a kick in and go

on top of this. I think it will. But you know what was humbling when we did the pilot is I was like, well, you know, the show's called Smallwood. I'm Tom Smallwood. I'm like, look at me, I'm Tom Smallwood. I'll so We'd do three four takes of a scene and then I'd be like, I got one, I got one, I got an alt I'm going to try something different on this take, and I would do it and it wouldn't work. How not funny does it have to be?

You're the lead character. They've already seen three takes of the way it was written, and now you're changing it out. But you get a laugh just based on the novelty alone, and no one was laughing. And I was like, well, it's time to eat some shit and take my humble pill for the day. But we also didn't know that's why they ko me smooth Woods. I actually thought when I opened it was going to be about a guy with a tiny, tiny wiener, and it is, but no

one's going to know that that's just your backstory. Yet it's more of a front story, a lower to the front. What I'm saying is I haven't at tiny Wheenie congrass you lass listen, I think from what I hate people with tiny wheenies just worked hard here and they're a smoke ray because they go make up for stuff. So that's cool. Like the Great Pumpkin being number two, perhaps

you try harder. I watch so many kids things with my daughter, so the references are going to be a lot of Charlie Brown Peanuts movie Not Bad might make my list today. You put me in a real Yes, I'm quandry there because I was like, I don't quite know what the Great Pumpkin is, but there's no way I don't want to guess added it. Yeah, well, but here we are. I won't do it again. Don't ever do a reference I don't know again, or you are off the pod. That was my favorite? Can I say

it's a plug of you. Yeah, when you did my podcast, I'll never forget it. There literally are moments on my podcast of agreement, of improvisation, of just two people melding that take my breath away. It's one of my favorite things, especially when you don't know each other. And the moment on your episode is when I said I called someone a bell end. It's one of my favorite British insults. And I'm like, and you Belle, and did it like you? Yes?

And but bell Land and when you knew what I meant when I said thank you for the belland I was like friends, friends, I was like, that's all it takes. I just need some great took each other, took each other show it is lived into the eyes and went friends. That's right, friends, we just become best friends. Yeah, it was one of those. It was one of those QUI serious question though, if I may about the multicam, because I have a thing that I honestly, I'm so fascinated

by them. I've worked on I've worked on one in England and I do I genuinely think. You know, they're easy to dismiss when they're average or bad, but when they're good, you think, cheers. Everybody loves Raymond like these are some of the greatest shows ever. And the writing, the way multicams have to be is they have to be banger after bang it. Every line has to be a fucking banger in a way that most sitcoms at a single caam you can get away with less big

fucking jokes. However, The thing that interests me, and it's early days, you haven't done it yet, is how they treat the actual audience in the room, because that's a real I think Everybody Loves Raymond was the best at the way the actors reacted to the studio audience felt brilliant because they these studios. Because sometimes you watch things where the studio owners are too excited for how you feel at home watching it, and so it feels weird.

It's like a disconnect. You're like, why are they laughing so much? It's not that fucking good. Yeah, it's all my stuff cutting yeah, yeah, yeah, left out whereas and there are things like there are some sitcoms out I won't name, but there are like some good sitcoms, but where it almost feels like they ignore the audience the studio laugh and it's almost an annoyance to them. It's like, yeah, we're just ignoring it and we're getting on with the

thing and there's laughter in the background. But in Everybody Loves Raymond in particular, I think they were the best at this. They would like sit in the laughs. They'd get a big laugh and there'd be a little and it was very subtle but there was like a twinkle in the eye and some acknowledgement from the actors like this bit is killing, and they would sit in it and it would spread to you at home because it was real. It was like a live connection was going on.

Rather than two separate things, an audience and the show, it was like melding them and then you felt part of it at home. Thoughts Pete hopes it's like when the Lovers sketch with Will Farrell and Rachel Dratch and Jimmy Fallon is in the hot tub as well and he's breaking, And I remember there was a time when people were it was called the nineties. I think people

were just so mad at Jimmy Fallon for laughing. But those are the ones that I remember because I felt like I was in on something, just a little bit wicked, just a little bit alive, electric, like something was happening that is funny. And I'm not turning on SNL to watch someone do something perfectly, and I'm not watching a multi camp to have them pretend like there isn't an audience there. And that is something very interesting about I think the human animals that works like you can be

at home you're not there. It's actually what makes film so amazing. You're not there, but you're transported. Val and I went and saw Cruella. It was the first movie we saw after the pandemic, after we were allowed to its. Yeah, I'm not being dismissive of cruel I thought it was a really good movie. Great movie. It's great, and it was what was out. So we went and saw kind of like a kids movie, even though we're two parents kind of desperately wanting a break from kids movies. But

it ended up being really great. I really loved it and it's great. There's something about cinema. Don't get me started, but sitting in the dark is a small ego death. You disappear, you're in the dark. You can't even see yourself. You're gone. It's like a drug experience or a vision, let's say vision to not exclude people, or a dream. So you vanish. Not only do you vanish into the dark,

you vanish into the audience. There's anonymity in the numbers that you're now a group called an audience watching a movie. And then that audience vanishes and the lights dimming is signing kind of like a huge your lizard brain to be like, Okay, shut the fuck up, you're now going to have these people's thoughts. We were talking about, like when I go to music concerts, I don't go to a lot, as evidence by the fact that I call them music concerts. That's an old joke of mine, but

it's true. I don't need to be sitting there with my own brain for two hours, especially if it's not If it's Beyonce, that's a spectacle and you're like really into it, But if it's just like a band and they're playing nice music, I'm two up here. I love Cinema grabs you and goes you're now this person and someone's chasing you. I'll know when you're in love with

two people, who are you gonna pick? And at the end the lights come up and it's like coming out of a vision or a drug experience, and you go back into your body and I'm reverent. When I leave a movie, I do not start talking about what I think about until we're home. I hate the people that start going like washing is good. It's ultimatum, but it was better than green Grass's work with Damon in the Non Born series. You know, I don't you're supposed to shut the fuck up. You just came back from a

psychedelic experience. Have some reverence. Even if you think you didn't like it, maybe you weren't supposed to. Like a good example, M six Connected in New York, you're not supposed to like it. It's you're supposed to feel the monotony and the drag and the craving of the ending of the movie in the same way that the character is craving death. He wants to die and and and they're making you feel that. So don't go like, oh you like it? Where was optimist prime? Shut the fuck

up and like feel maybe something uncomfortable or inconvenient. So I also, this is the other theory I want to put to you. It looks like I've I've loaded you good. The camera lens is a dilated pupil. It's an open eye. So if you've ever been in a meditative state or in love, you know when you're when you're aroused. I don't mean sexually arouse, when you're when your nervous system is aroused. Your eyes your pupils dilating. You take in so much more, You've taken so much more light. So

much more detail. That's what a camera lens is, and then we blow up that image huge and let your lenses scan a perfect lens shot and what to focus on. It is a transcendent experience. I didn't plan on saying any of this, but that's why I love the movies. You have like a vision, Pete Holmes. The last two minutes of watching you on the screen is now my answer to traveling Bonus. Yes, yes that was. I mean,

I mean I have to. I mean that was so wonderful, and you're so right on all of it, right to really, really, really beautifully put and it is entirely what you have said is entirely why I always argue against people watching films at home. When people go, I can watch it at home, and you go, but you don't get that. You don't get the ego death, you don't get the the and you don't get lost. It's about losing yourself. Yeah,

it's very high to lose yourself at home. Even if you've got a good sound system and you can turn your lights down, you're still at home. You've got your fines, you've got your kids, you've got you whatever. I agree, it's you have to surrender to it. It's hard to surrender at hime. You get stirred into it. It's like at the end the trance is broken and you realize, oh, I'm not Jason Bourne, or I'm not whoever it might have been, I'm not Mineral Streep's character or whatever it is.

And we went and we watched Cruella again at home, and I when we saw it, the soundtrack is incredible, and when you see it in a movie theater, it's blasting the rolling stones. It's blasting the rolling stones, and you're just like, like, try to not like the rolling stones when they're that loud. And then at home on our little TV with the curtains open, not even dark, it was fine. I could see how someone would watch

that movie and be like, it was fine. But I remember that Mission Impossible, where Tom Cruise has to jump into a whirlpool of water and he has to go right into the middle of it and hold his breath for three minutes. That's what going to the movies is is you have to jump into that hole. And that's why it's so offensive. When someone is scrolling through old texts that happened to me in a movie or answering their phone or whatever is because like a comedy show,

you are resisting the communal mind. You are now not the audience. You are Steve, and Steve is answering his phone right now, and you're breaking a chance for a lot of people that need it. Human beings need escape. And we'll get when we get to my answers. The movies that I watch over and over are the ways that I process. I just had like a weird dinner, and I knew the movies I had to watch to help me process and get perspective on these strange feelings.

So it's therapy. It's learning that you're not alone. You know, when you see a movie and you just have to go for a drive afterwards because you're just like just brought you into the moment, and it brought you to life, and it reminded you of the infinite possibilities that you can move in any direction, that you can fall in love, that you can get angry, that you can see something you never thought you'd see, and you just have to drive. That was me good Will Hunting, nineteen ninety seven. We're

just like, let's go for a drive. That's the magic, and that's why it's offensive when someone's eating their popcorn too loudly. If I ever if I ever die, I might leave you did podcast in the will if you could take it out, I love it. Here's the thing. The other thing you're talking about. You you mentioned a lot like big films. You talk about born out to me,

you talk about missing the possible corella and stuff. But I also, like, I get super mad with people when they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's a film you can watch at home. It's like, there is no film you can watch out And I'm gonna probably keep talking about this film every week in this podcast. I saw Mass the other day. Mass. Have you seen it? I haven't, but someone told this time and they wept. Yeah. It's four. It's essentially four people in a room for most of

the film. And it's the sort of film some people could say, well, it's like a play, and some people would say, we could just watch it. It's just people talking. It is a fucking cinematic experience and it is so intense, and it is so it's a masterpiece from every angle, writing, acting, directing, everything, And there's no way you have to surrender to it. You have it's it's as intense, more intense than a fucking Born film, like You're, You're, It's you know, I

was holding my breath the whole time. It was like this is this is as much cinema as Tom Cruise jumping in a waterfall. I feel the same way about Frost Nixon, which if you rewatch Frost Nixon after the Trump presidency, it gives you a whole new perspective on it because I wasn't there for the for Nixon, but you're like, imagine if James Gordon interviewed Darnald Trump. But it is just a play. It is a play made into a film, but it has the same stakes. But

that's you know, that's what theater is. Theater is like they're there if someone's going to be or not to be and they're feeling it and you're in the room. There's tension and that yanks out the stakes, like it makes you invested in it, And that's what the movies are doing. In the theater setting. There is even like an unspoken frequency that I think good audiences are trying to transmit where it's like we're gonna we're gonna do this good, right, I need this, Like I need this.

It's that's why the commercials at the beginning aren't the right feel. It should be all movie related. It should be movie trivia, or should be quiet, or it should be just looking at the curtain and you're just like, what's it gonna be behind that curtain. I don't want someone being like, what's up fast pass? If you want to see more exclusive action only for you, sign up and scan this QRC coating now and I'm just like,

fuck you. Or they show me. We just saw the knew James Bond and they were show scenes from the movie we were about to see. Oh yeah, that's insane to promote that since the app or something in the video game or something, and I was like, then we're watching the movie and I'm like, why is this familiar? And I'm like, it's because we had the decency to show up ten minutes early and you're punishing me. Nobody

knows that. Get the fuck out of here. One thing, I just to go back to where this will started, just because I don't know if there is an answer to it. I'm just curious. On Little Wood, have you Smallwood? Have you the exacts? The people making it had a discussion at all about how you're going to be treating the audience or do you think it's something you will just find when you make it. Well, I think it

remains to be seen. If there's going to be an audience because of Oh Shit, Coco, there might be a small audience. So my dream would be to do it for a live audience. I had some friends and friends that wrote on Friends and they were telling me about how much fun the actors would have exactly what you're

saying playing to it. And I had a little guest role on Mulaney, so that was a multiicam that I got to act in and it was so fun being a stand up and knowing see stand up is not just the audience listening to the comedian that that's not a very compelling art form. It's actually both. The audience is listening to the comedian and a good comedian, not

all of them, but a good comedian is. So I'm going to be weird and say, like a lover is listening to the audience, you're agreeing on undp hundyp and we don't mean pence because we mean a hundred percent. So you leave with the material, but you also leave with the sensation of someone was so tuned into you that if you made a certain kind of silence, they knew what you meant, and everyone it was mutually beneficial,

like we all were seen and heard today. Um So when I did Millennia, I remember, like exactly what you're saying, trying to manufacture that twinkle in the eye that's sort of like just slide upturned smile, like I know you like this, or I know you would do this. You're such a You're such a cad doing something, doing something that I'm just getting, doing something that you know isn't gonna make it, like, isn't gonna make it on the show. I love those because it's about a tone. If you

just film a show, who fucking cares. But if if there's a happening occurring, that's that's really special. Yeah, that's the thing that makes life. And you did it very well. In the HPS crashes, they're capturing capturing live. It's so hard to capture live, and the feeling of being there is very hard. Anyway. Yeah, I've forgotten to tell you something. I've just realized. What ah fuck, Pete, I'm so sorry

you have this big gig happening. I should have told you this, no, actually, probably should have just sent you an email or something. And do you know what, I should have been brave and said this earlier, just face to face. I should have called you, maybe FaceTime. I don't like where this is. No well, and I know you're You've got so much, you had so much. I'll just say it is. Tell me what it is. It's okay. Is it okay? You've died? You're dead dead, that you're dead.

That's not okay, you're dead. I'm dead, dead dead. I don't how did you die? Wait? You don't want that? I do? Like if? I but what what if? There is an afterlife? And you're like? But I was watching Succession? How did I die? I was in a motel, a CD motel, and I heard some I heard some stray cats in the wall, like I said, it was a CD motel and there was a hole in the wall CD and I tried to put my arms in to rescue the cats. They needed help, but I couldn't get

in enough. So I took my shirt off and I put lotion all over my body and I tried to get in but I still but I still couldn't get in enough, so I took my pants. I took my pants off and I covered myself in lotion all over my family, my crown jews, and I'm all over and I'm trying to wedge in to save the cats. But again I can't. Now I'm worried I'll go too far in, so I put like little clamps on my nipples, and I tie the nipple clamps to the lamp in the

stay with me to the hotel room. And then so I'm going in and I started kind of rubbing and I have the nipple clamps that I'm trying to get the cats, and the friction gives me a boner. And then I go on the bed and I die and I la have an aneurysm, and when I die, I jizz and then when they find me, it looks like I was just having a wink. But I'm telling I'm telling you. I was trying to say, I'm so glad you asked, because I need I've needed to clear this.

I've needed to clear this. I was trying to rescue cats, not not masturbating. A motel that looks like it was designed for masturbating, is it's annoying how often this death comes up on this and the oath looks like I went to death death. Oh my god, wait for is that it looks like I wank to death? Is a real one? That would be so funny if everyone was like, I'm afraid that it's gonna look like I winked. You're

the first, you are the best. Wow, I'm honored. I'm when I'm finding that police report, I'm just going to struggle with the nipple clamps, explaining that I don't quite get what the thinking was to save the cats. Well, I didn't want I didn't want to I didn't want to get sucked into the cat hole. What if it was an alternate dimension and I was like, I'm using my hands, I'm using my knees and my feet. I need something and I go ear lobes too risky nips.

You know what? It was a heroic death, thank you. Well the cats died. The cats, the cats are they're all dead. They're are dead, and you're dead. So what it looks like is that you wanked yourself to death, killed some cats. Looking at dead cats. That set that that was your that was your kink. I can only do it if they're dead cats. No, we've done it. We've made it. The worst answer the legacy you're leaving possibly be. Do you do you worry about death? Pete Himes?

I think about death a lot um. It's part of my oh god, my spiritual practice. But it is there's a great um ramdas quoties, like when you accept there's a okay, I'll start actually with the Dawdy Ching. The Dawdy Ching says he who finds or she who finds their way in the morning can gladly go in the evening. That's one of my favorite little stanzas in the Dowdy Ching. And I find that to be one of the meanings

of life is to prepare for death. To I don't want to go like like the science project and go like that we do today, Like I would like to be like, oh, right, we've given this it's due. There's another great Chinese proverb that says death and love are the two great gifts most people to leave unopened meaning. It's not an error. It's part of what imbues the whole thing with meaning, and it's a clue to kind

of how it works in permanence. Learning to let things go learning to We say on my podcast all the time, would ice cream taste good if you knew you lived forever? I don't think so. I actually think you're eating ice cream and you're kind of like, I'm going to die and I'm eating ice cream right now. This is fucking awesome. But if you were just kind of floating in the ether orgasms whenever you want, ice cream, whenever you want, whatever,

whenever you want, I think you would create this. And you know what's good evidence for that that this exists. So that's kind of like an interesting way to think of God as something that could do whatever it wanted. Alan Watts says, if you could have an orgasm that just keeps getting better and better and better, how many years would you do that? For? How many thousands of years? And then he goes, how long would you do it before you make a button that says something happens? And

that just changed my life. When I heard him say that, I was like, we want some degree of not being in control. We want to have mystery to grapple with, we want to have loss to grapple with. Um. So, yeah, I think about it a lot. And because of and we don't have to get into this. But because of certain psychedelic experiences, my death anxiety has shrunk to the

size of a pebble. And I would say it used to be sort of a mount Rushmore, sort of like oh no, yeah, so you you were masturbating NonStop, relentlessly, and then Alan what said at some point the button will a pit that says something happened and you stopped. I should get them things. Actually, I'm glad that's what you took from it. I'm glad that's oh my god, masturbating because there's ice cream to get. Oh my god,

what no us? But come on stop it. Can you tell me when you say the psychedelics tough time, it's going to all of them. But as in, have you done stuff that's made you think you've seen the other side or anything like that? Yes, and and well to summarize, I think I can summarize it quickly because we all just want to we want to get to the films. Oh oh yeah, I forgot. I forgot. That's what you are fun. The summary is, and you can you can.

I hope you keep this. I'll say the short one first and then this lightly longer one is people are afraid of the void. Right, if I could tell you something that I have experiential understanding is true. I mean I can still hear my brain going like that might not be true, but something deeper has occurred, something is transformed. And I really know this in my bones to be true. Is you are the void. So there's nothing, there's no

blackness coming to get you. That isn't you, That isn't the all and the everything, and that when you die, it's like being a spoonful of sugar and you're stirred into a glass of iced tea and bread is gone, but bread is also there because everything that ever was, is or ever would be, is all there at once, and time has stopped. A good metaphor for that would be heaven. Oh there are my dead relatives. But it's

really much crazier and wilder than that. And there's nothing to be afraid of because it's you that's really If if you were dying today, I would say, Brett, trust yourself because your consciousness with science and you and I would call consciousness that is your truest, deepest self, and that consciousness is divine. So you aren't going anywhere. What isn't God? Is being stripped away, and what is God remains and that is a fucking you could call that

the good news. That's like fucking good news. And when you worry about the world, I go like, I have a bit about this. I go like, it'll be okay, and I go, I don't mean us. I don't mean humanity like we could be like dinosaurs. I mean who you really are is life itself. You are life itself. Life itself is looking out your eyes, beating your heart, filling your lungs, and it walks around and pretends that it's bread. Oh, I'm on a show called te Lassau

and you go around. That's all just play. That's what my daughter's name means. Leela means the play of the universe. And the good news is you are something eternal and that is consciousness itself. And when you die, like a lobster, you're pulled out of its shell. Bread is left behind, the red pinchey part, but the meat goes up and in and out and stirred. And bad news is like this show you are gone. Good news is you are and always have been everything. And if that sounds woo woo,

I could point to the old Testament. I could point to Buddhism, Hinduism and the New Testament and back that up. I love it. It's nearly made me cry. Well, that's great because that means that means you heard me. It's like really good start, it's really you ended on, you are everything, but you are you started on? You are the void? Did that hit me? Hot? Yeah? That's hot. That's that's one of my mantras. I would recommend meditating and say I am the void. I am the void.

You are what you're afraid of, and that's absurd. It's afraid. You're afraid of yourself. You can trust yourself. It's you. It's you, it's you. It's great, it's great. Now, So that is it? Who is that guy? The philosopher? Is it? Philosopher? You're starting to the void and at some point the void stars back. Yeah, I've I've heard that too. I can't recall who said it, but it's like, so you're just saying, yeah, that's looking in the mirror exactly, he's

looking in the mirror. Well, it's basically the idea that nothing doesn't exist. That's a good one. Nothing doesn't exist, like there is no nothing, and like I have a joke. It never really works that well, but I go, you know, some of my atheist friends think you die and you just become nothing, and I'm going, I'm like, in Buddhism, that's called wishful thinking. That means liberation. That means you go into the nothing, the big nothing, the no thing.

You are not an object, you are what other traditions would call God. You become no thing. You become beyond objectness, beyond thingness. Is that is. And atheists are just like, no, by not believing, I'll just get bad. They're like, now you have to like go around and around and around until you realize that that's what you've always been, or

whatever however you want to paraphrase it. But when the other bit that I do is we're all stuck with the big bang, I say thanks for nothing, meaning it's just like an explosion and everything is here, and when you picture it in a film way, it's like darkness and then something explodes. But it's not darkness. It's nothing. It's nothing. You can't even picture nothing like you can't

film it. It's nothing. It is nothingness. And then for some reason that nothingness erupts into everything So even if you're most of my friends and I love them dearly are atheist and an agnostic, and I love them dearly, 're not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm saying we're all on the same page. Basically, you have nothing erupting

into everything. I anthropomorphize that nothing energy into something that we call God, a metaphor for a mystery, a mystery, something we don't understand, something we can't understand, So I call it God, You call it nothing. What's the fucking difference? Either way, you have nothing erupting into everything, or you have God erupting into everything. You have something science can't prove,

touch taste, photograph. We have no evidence of nothing or something you can't see, touch taste, photograph, we have no evidence of God. We're all on the same side. No one knows what the fuck is going on here. That's why my shit is. Get in touch with the God and you get quiet, get still, and recognize that there's something. There's isness in you. You are the experience of isness. You are isness. It is passing through you. It's how

you're hearing me right now. Well, that's that's your consciousness. It's it's hearing, it's absorbing, it's coming into you. That is your deepest DNA and that will always be fine. Bad news you'll go. And by the way, I understand I haven't died, so I don't know, but I did haven't experienced a very, very convincing experience where I was like, don't worry, you're a lobster. Well I got news, buddy. You are dead, you are gone, but you are everything I do say the void, and you are in heaven.

You know what heaven is nothing? Heaven is nothing. It is everything and you yeah, and you are. You are sugar in some green tea, some green tea. You didn't expect that, Yeah, it didn't. And it's not ice. It's hot. It's hot in heaven. Surprise, it's not green tea. Literally a cafe. Not too much. It's not gonna freak you out. Just wait you up. Yes, Heaven, no thing, just a little little sprinkle in the caffee, just a little like oh, because you're a bit jetlagged. You've just got there. What

is this place? Yes, and it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing in the world. Well, it's cheesy, but my wife and daughter your wife and daughter are there. But here's the thing. There's ship lads of them. It's water all your wife and it's like they've been closed. It's nice and simple. Dad is a bit scary, like three running yeah, and they're like Daddy as one. They like I like sort of cover you like, yeah, paid, it's just like a you know, my favorite other thing,

angel food cake, very on the nose. I like angel food cake. Well, the furniture is made of angel and so you can see it, you can eat it, you can just sit on it, you can sleep, and it's comfortable. It's a good good texture. Yes, but also if you're bored in bed, you can just start eating your bed. It's great. It's no thing and it's great and it's everything. Anyway, when you're there, everyone that's there that there's mostly clones of Valin Lela. They are so excited you're there. But

they want to talk to you about your life. They want to talk to about your life through film, because you know what they're like, Lely and validably upset Lear in particular, always talking about film. You're like, shut up, Leally, there are other things anyway. They want to know about film. They go what's the first film that you remember seeing? Pete Holmes, can I share that? On the document that you sent out, it says EG so for example, E two, do you have to use a movie that's also two letters?

I'm like, what's eget? It's a DNA code EG E TA B heavy. I'm going to tell you the first film that I remember seeing in the theater, and it's nineteen ninety one, which means I've definitely seen loads of movies. But the reason why this one stands out is because I was in Wooburn, Massachusetts, and my dad and my brother and I were going to the movies, and like the movie The Squid in the Whale, my family really was like two teams. It was my brother and my

dad and me and my mom. So I was sort of with the other side, like the mama's kid is with dad and brother. So we're being men, and the choice of what movie to see came to me somehow. It came to me, and I was like, we're gonna see drop Dead Fred. We're gonna see it. I am putting down the hammer. We're gonna see drop Dead Fred. Because an imaginary friend who's like funny and I think British and Randy and wild. I was like, this is gonna be great and if they they had enjoyed it,

I would have enjoyed it. But they hated it, so they're hate oozed onto me. And then I was filled with the shame, shame of making them watch this movie. Even my brother sold me out and didn't like Drop Dead Fred. You gotta like drop dead Fred. He's looking up ladies, skirts and stuff. He's wild. That's exactly what little kids want. But yeah, younger brother, he's two years older than me, so that's horrible. There's nothing worse than sitting with someone who isn't enjoying the film. That's why

I don't like taking anyone to the cinema. It's not worth the risk. I've heard you say that on the part. Yeah just go alone. Horrific, Yeah, horrific experience. Because you also feel that shame is so weird. It is like a feeling like you made it, like you've made this film. Yes, and it's not you didn't make you didn't make that film. But you feel the shame of like I'm so sorry

I put you through that. Yes, that's absolutely right. I still remember that my dad had his hand on his head like this, and dude, without making it too much like my show, he is a sexual imaginary friend, like he is sort of like the ID, and like I was like, I swear, I don't like this stuff because he's like, look at that beds titties, and I'm just kiming. I'm going like, I don't want to look at any birds titties. It was horrible. I would have preferred to

see in the Exorcist and my dad before that. Here's another answer. He was watching Good Fellas in the living room and I saw the knife scene with the trunk and I was like, yeah, I didn't make that face, and you make that face for drop dead Fred. I pretended to like Goodfellas for you. Hey, you know what your dad was looking in the mirror, and he didn't like. He didn't like that. You could see that he was looking at himself. There. He was dropped at Fred. Oh

my god, that was a big thing. That was kind of it. He felt, if you can see him I relate to this film, you'll see him. So he has to pretend he's horribly you're shining a mirror to it. Yeah, can I say every time I would come in and my dad was watching The Sopranos. He would turn it off, not to keep me from seeing it, but to keep me from seeing him see it. I swear to you,

I remember it vividly. Tony's looking at a stripper and eating like carrots or something, and my dad was like, if that's a sad life, and like turned it off. I was like, you, you're forty two minutes deep into an hour episode. You're gonna turn it off. Because I walked in my dad's still that way, he saw George Carlin and he goes, it was great. The first thing he said was fuck Oprah, fuck Lance arm Strong, and fuck somebody else. And then he went, there's no need

for that kind of language, like he remembered. He remembered he was my dad. I was so I was. I was probably twenty five at the time, and I was like, thank you, I'm glad we can relate. Yeah, that's funny. And then he was like, you know, language, we were so close to being people. That's really good. What is the film that scarty the most? Do you like being scared Peeves? Not really? I don't Why is that is that? Because you're a big baby? Oh my god, I don't.

It's just not for me. This isn't my answer. But I remember seeing the movie. I walked out of the others when they were like, there's a grandma and she has bad breath. I was like, baby, I was so happy to walk out. I was just like, really, it was like Mark Wahberg and Three Kings. I'm sure it is. Remember Mark Wahlberg and Three Kings when he gets released from the torture, he's so happy, yes, and that's he's like, Hi, Hi, Yes. I was that high because I didn't have to ever

see that grandma. It still haven't. And then there's the one where the people knock on the door. It's live Tyler is the Strangers, the Strangers, And I watched all of the Strangers and I'm like, I wish I hadn't seen that. Anytime I'm home alone or in the woods, the woods one of God's beautiful gifts, the woods, the little cabin in the woods. Never in a film, not anymore, not anymore, never in a film. Did you watch it too? No, I'm saying woods are never good in a film. No,

they're never good. No. I The one that scared me the most is embarrassing because you'll never have gotten this. I promise. I have the hiccups the Fourth Kind, and I'm going to tell you why. The Fourth Kind, Yeah, alien from about ten years ago. I think it was more than ten years ago because I was in New York. Well wait, yep, it was more. It was probably fifteen years ago, so I was old enough to know better.

But as I've already said, I don't really see a lot of horror movies, and the conceit of the Fourth Kind is and I don't mind ruining it because you can. It's I don't think it's like a good I don't know. I don't think it's like I never hear anyone talking about the Fourth Kind. Let's put it that way. The Fourth Kind tells you that it's real. It's telling you

this is found footage. It's using like bodycams, it's using security footage, it's using like cruiser footage, and it's shot in a way that you'd think it was a documentary. And there's re enactments, but like most of it is like VHS footage. And I'm embarrassed it worked. I thought it was real because Brett at that age, I was like, they can't lie. They can't lie to us. It opens

with Mira Sorvino. Is that her name? And she's like, Hi, I'm actress, Mira Sorvino, like talking down the lens, going like this is not a movie, this is real, and I'm sitting there going it is. Mira Sorvino said, it's real. And the premise of the movie is not only are you going to be abducted, and it shows that you probably already have been abducted dozens of times and you don't remember. That's what the fourth kind is. The fourth kind is an abduction. So I was I had a roommate,

but I was like, you know, sleeping alone. And every night after that movie, I was thinking, I like, these weird Sumarian speaking aliens, we're gonna come in and take me. And then someone told me it was fake and they made fun of me mercilessly, but I didn't even care. It was like five comedians were ripping into me for being a huge idiot, and all I was thinking, I mean, they were being really vicious, and I was smiling ear to ear because I was like, thank god, that wasn't real.

That's the most scared. That's the most scared. I was that's nice. I want to see that film. I want to say a film with Mira Savina saying hello on Mirasavina and what you're about to watch is real well that you'd only have to watch the trailer. I believe that's the trailer as well. And they looking back there are parts. I mean, it would never trick me now knowing what we know about movies and stuff, but like

there's a suicide in it. Someone shoots himself and they blur it, and you're like, why would they blur it if it was it was like they just show it and they blur it like out of respect for the dead. It's like pixelated it. Like they did a good job to me. I like that, what's the film that my you cry tomst and now you a cry? It? Do I need to? Usk? Film is one of the ways that I cry. It's one of the things I like about it is that it helps me to cry. Moonlight

I can't not cry the entire movie. I cry the entire movie without boring you. I think that movie has like a divine second meaning, which is we all know that there's something that loves us and that we love it, and we sort of have to like we resist it, we become strong. Shyrone becomes strong and he puts in his grills and he gets his gun. No one's ever going to hurt him again. And that's our personalities. We build up these personalities. But truth in his case, that

that he's a homosexual. Truth is chasing you. God initiates it, beauty and mystery initiates it. If you're called to meditation or prayer, you're always seconding, sending the motion. And that scene at the end where he's cooking for him, that's love. We don't have to say it's God. Love is seducing you. Love is cooking for you and sprinkling the cilantro on the rice. Why does that scene matter so much? Why does the film work when you never see them make love.

You think it's going to end in like a sex scene. You don't need the sex scene. The sex scene is him cooking. The sex scene is him looking at him and knowing him and touching his hand. And that is my belief, is that that truth, your truth on the psychological level and also on a cosmic level, is putting the good sheets on the bed. It wants you. It's something that wants you. It's not a tormentor. It's not going to kick you into the into hell for being who you were. It's not like that. It wants to

merge with you. It wants to make love with you, basically, and that's what that movie is. So I lose it. But then also just on the surface level, when he asks what is a I think it's the F word. He says, what does that word mean? I'm just losing it. I'm losing it. So that movie is definitely one of them. That's a very very very good answer. I cry at most films the one I remember, and that's true. If my heart is open, I'll find something to cry at

in almost any movie. But Dead Poet Society is the first one, because it was Burlington, Massachusetts, and I'm weeping at O captain, my captain, and the woman in front of me, this birdie Twat turned around and looked at me with shame. She gave me the shame look like get a hole of yourself. And I wish I had her home, and I wish I had her home address just so I could send her a vase full of dog shit, like whose shames? I must have been eleven twelve Her look seemed to say, you're too young to

even get this. I'm like, this movie's people my age. I get this better than you get it. Like it was a rough one. I'm sorry, And Matrix revolutions. I'm just kidding, so many shamed visits to the cinemas. I know what is? What is the film that you love? It is not critically acclaimed, most people don't like it, but you think those people are wrong and dumb and you hate them. I don't know, I should have looked it up, but I'm assuming the movie Lucy is not

critically acclaimed. I love Lucy, and you're right, Lucy is a mixed bag and a lot I know a lot of people that hate Lucy and they're idiots and they're dumb. Thank you, Lucy. So what all the side sort of like whatever? You these sidebars, these little spiritual sidebars I have. That's what that movie is. When you realize that the sap in a tree is moving up, which it is, it moves against gravity. When you realize that a spring is moving up a mountain to come down the mountain

like these insane world we live in. When she talks about remembering the taste of her Mother's Milk. You just that movie is imbauted. I'm going to say, imbaute again with so much comfort and like if we knew more, we would worry less. That's like the point of that movie. And I just love watching Scarlett Johansson be so calm.

You have all the fun of like a like what was that Nobody movies like Nobody, the ass kicking guy who never gets shot, you know nobody, But you get that with like metaphysical sprinklings, and I think a stylized direction that is really effective. I really like that film you get. Do you know what? You get ten points for that? The first answer you give given it squid weirdly, what is the what is the film that you used to you loved it very much and then you bought

it recently and you don't love it anymore. And that might be completely personal reasons, or something's changed in your life. What is that? Family? And why? I'm glad you said it could be personal reasons, because I think Field of Dreams may still be a good movie. But here's what I just tried to rewatch it. Here's what I didn't like about it or what felt very nineties about it? Right, if you made a movie now about a guy who

makes a baseball field and ghosts show up. When those ghosts show up, the first thing a modern twenty twenty one audience who would want to know is like, how did you get here? Where were you? Where have you been? What do you think is happening? Like? How do we replicate it? Is it science? Is this a worm hole? Is there a fold in the dimensions and in field of dreams? Hes a baseball field? Yes, friends of all. It doesn't show him looking up how the dimensions of

the baseball field. He just knows how to do it. We would want the Google scene you're missing. You're like, there's not enough admin. I want it to feel I wants some admin. Is that a real term? Is now he wants I didn't know if it was a writer's room term. I want more pipe of how we do.

But in the movie he makes the field, then there's sort of an arbitrary waiting where it's Christmas and he's literally looking out the window and he's like shoreless Joe, where yeah, buddy, And you'd think something might happen in his life or in him that would change, that would make the ghost show up. But it really was just waiting, like it was just like just wait, maybe that's fine.

Shoeless Joe does show up. It's like one of those trailers you could cut as a horror as a horror trailer, yeah, because he built a field and then a ghost shows up. And when the ghost shows up, the wife character says, this is what she says Brett to the arrival of a ghost and even worse as predicted from a voice. So like this is now confirmed as real. Your husband is communicating with the other side and there's a ghoul on your lawn. She says, I'll put on some coffee.

Then he goes out and all they do is play baseball. He just starts pitching baseballs to him. And the way that the movie addresses the absurdity of what's happening is Kevin Costner, our parents, Brendan Fraser, Kevin Costner is pitching the ball and he goes, I'm pitching to shoeless Joe Jackson. That's how they address it. And all I'm saying, I'm

not saying it's a bad movie. I'm saying what makes it feel dated and what made me not enjoy it was that it's not doing what modern films do, which is when something supernatural happens, they play it for real. In this movie, they were like, look, we gotta get to the better stuff. We can't have a thirty minute sequence of him being like, wait, do you remember how you got here? Like why are you the age you were when you played baseball not the age you were

when you died? Like are you frightened? And she just guys, I'll put coffee on. She should have said, I'm gonna get the funk out of here. There's a ghost. Peyt Hoimes. I've never done this before. I am taking away the ten points I gave you. Those type points are being removed, very very you know what. I'm not angry, I'm disappointed, and I'll tell you why, because when you were describing

it to me, it gave me shivers. And I'm shocked that you because the film, what you just described to me and what I remember of it, it is all the divine, is all the things. The reason she says up at coffee and the reason he doesn't ask questions is because he's had this voice, he's had this vision, he's had this thing. It's like a dream. If he if he pushes it. He might wake up and it

all goes away. They're all living in this fucking divine space where it's like they believe in this thing, but they're also are we mad to believe in this thing? And then the thing starts happening, and it's like, of course they don't poke it and ask questions because it might go away. They might are we insane. It's like, I'll put coffee on you go out there and you play with him. Don't It's like, don't ask questions. Like he's a baseball player and he's coming in thing and

he looks freaked out. No one knows what the fuck's going on. Un the less, fucking just like, keep it, keep it, keep it safe over here, and it's like a dream that's don't waste. Like a dream. If we if we go, well, if we ask something, you're gonna you're gonna go, He's gonna go. I look, I'm not married to my opinion because everything you said made perfect sense to me, and I'm not saying that to try and get those ten points back, although I would. I also want to say that it's one of those movies

that my dad likes. So I was watching it with a chip on my shoulder, so that could be it. Yeah, well, I'm gonna don't know you could. I'm gonna give you three points back for acknowledging that, and I'm sorry, listen, I don't like to be compatitiative. I'm gonna go I'm you know what, Now, I'm gonna push back. I'm gonna go put coffee on. I'm gonna can we do it again,

Brett can? I'm the director, Now can we just do one where you have a moment where you're like and someone goes, no, no, no, no, don't don't overthink it. I'm gonna put coffee on. Just just just just go see him. Just go out there, just go see him a little bit of the Holy friend. What do? What do I do? Just just don't know. I can't. I heard a voice another. I'm just saying that is the more modern way of shooting that same scene with the

same script. It's happening in her eyes, in Amy Madigan's Amy. In her eyes, she's going, fucking now what do I do? Put some coffee? She's doing it. It's all there. Pay come on good. You are watching there at him. You went on a big swee. You watch it in the cinema, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm here in the dream. I think you're absolutely right. I'm not just agreeing to

be agreeable. I'm gonna give you one worse. I watched it in the sauna and sauna movies I have very locally you, isn't it fifteen minutes so right, five zeros, I'm watching movies and two chunks and the the TV is in the sonna. That's what that is? That little crane thing that's the iPad. Stand. Oh, I see, now you know. I love health and shit, what's the benefit of sitting in this sort of for fifty minutes? I love that I get to tell you something that you

don't know about fitness I do. I'll do I stuff, but don't do hot stuff. I also while I do that, and then I get into a cold chair, it'll get you, get you nice and high. It's proper high. What's happening in the fifteen minutes in the sunna? Well, I believe it's something like six hundred calories an hour, So it's like a workout way. You're just sitting still and watching a movie and your heart it's really hard to stay in. It's and but if you can get lost in a movie,

it's easier to sit there. So it's really good for your heart. It's really good for toxins, things like mercury, things you want to get out of you. That's really helpful. Plus, if you're into woo woo stuff, if you have an ailment, chances are someone's going to be like getting an infra atsuna. So I just get into one before anything's going on. But being really hot and then being really cold just makes me feel high. I love it. So sorry, we argue that's a first document. Sell me this. What is

the film? Well, that wouldn't feel safe, No, I've never what I said Field of Dreams. Valve was like, it's it's going to be controversial. She knew he's not gonna She knew he's not gonna. Yeah, what is the film that means the mice to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but the experience you had around seeing the film that will always make it special to you.

P Hines, Okay, I do have two answers, but I'm going to give you one and then if you want the other one you can have it, because I want to respect the format thank you. When I was a waiter at Bennigan's, which makes immediate sense if you think about my face like you can just see it. I was a waiter at Bennigan's. I you used to get two holidays off. I believe it was New Year's, Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year's Day, New Year's Eve, New Year'sdare was two and you had to work two of them and you

could get two of them off. So I was I asked for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Let's say good choices, because I don't really like New Year's. Then Jim Gaffigan, who had I had opened for him one other time. No, I hadn't opened for him ever. I had never met him. So I'm a young comedian and Jim Gaffagan is like looking for an opener. And my friend Dan Kaufman, another comedian, was like, can you open for Jim Gaffigan the weekend of New Year's at the Cleveland Improv? And I was like,

of course, I'm only working at Bennigan's. I was grateful for the job. I needed the job, but I'm trying to become a comedian. So I said yes, and then I called Bennigan's and my manager's name was Matt Neery, and I think I left a message saying like, I mean, however, sweet I am now times a million, just a sweet little baby boy, soft and clammy hand and ruddy cheeked, and I'm just calling and I'm like, hey, I'm convinced

I'm gonna get fired. I'm saying I know I already had these dates off, but I need to get new years off because it was coming up. And I'm so sorry. I understand. I probably was like, I understand if this doesn't work, and panicing, and I left the message, and then my wife at the time, my ex wife, and I went and saw Lord of the Rings the Two Towers. And when I tell you that The Lord of the Rings the Two Towers was about a comedian taking a weekend and thinking he was going to be fired for it.

The movie The Lord of the Rings the Two Towers was about a comedian in Chicago who worked at Bennigan's who thought he might get fired. Every orc was just the impending loss of financial security and my job and what a fool I was. And the eye of Sauron was like you you were giving up a stable gig to do this. You probably made one hundred and fifty dollars at the Cleveland Improv. You're gonna lose money driving there, like it's a waste, You're an idiot. The whole movie,

and I have that ticket stub. I have a frame in the house. It's the first ten dollars I ever made from stand up And in the frame, not behind the glass, but tucked in the frame is the movie ticket for the for the Two Towers because it was my little Frodo's heroes journey going like as silly as it is, and it is, I was doing something. I was really scared. I thought I was going to lose

my job, and he did not fire me. And that's why I thanked Matt Neary on my first album, Like if you read the liner notes, I think many because he didn't fire me and it all worked out. That's a nice pete. Isn't that a fun funniest story of you going to the cinema not feeling shame. I really liked it, thank you. Yeah. The other one is Shakespeare in Love because that's the first movie I made out with somebody and it was me and the woman first time ever, and there's boobies on the screen. And there

and make. It's like, it's like, what is happening? It's I was like a three way. There's Gwyneth and I'm actually making out with someone here and my friend Nick and I had dinner with Nick not that long ago, and we laughed about this. He was sitting next to me and I heard him go what do I do? But he didn't. He was so uncomfortable there was there was someone with Nick. He just was like, I don't know what to do because we were going at it. We were shaking that first time, first time making out

in a movie? Yeah, yeah, nice. My first date was the movie Shine. I remember that. Jeffrey Row Yeah, not as sexy, no, look at him having a breakdown kiss make What's what's the film you must relate? Take behind? This is gonna make you laugh, I think, because it's an absurd answer. But Brett, the film I most related too is the Born trilogy. And I'm gonna tell you why I love it. Do you you get it? But you can? Yeah? I actually think I did, but please

tell me. Val was like he's gonna laugh in your face that this like soft, amorphous, loud, hilary swank mouth comedian is relates to Jason Bourne like Matt Damon Peak, Damon kicking ass. Here's here's why, um because Jason Bourne is a movie about getting away from your family. It's about a lot of things, but it's about getting away from your family. So he is raised traumatized by the government. He's traumatized by them, like and I love my family.

They did their best. And there's trauma in any childhood. There's it's just heavy. It's just a lot. There's grown ups like Greek gods in your house. They're strange and they yell and there's weird feelings. So there's that's you getting dunk. Can you commit to this? Can you commit to this program? I can't dunk? I can't. Can you commit to this program? Even sounds like my dad, I can't dunk. So he's trained his trauma does to what a lot of people. Trauma can often lead to skills.

I'm a highly sensitive person. Again, I'm not trying to I love my parents. I'm only going to say that that one more time. But because they were unpredictable people, I learned to be. I finally tuned instrument. I could see a fight coming a mile away. It's where I got my sense of humor and I could divert it. I spoke Dad, I spoke Mom, I spoke my brother. No one else spoke anyone else. I really believe that

I was interpreting. I was keeping the peace. That's Jason Bourne going, I know I can run for forty five minutes at this altitude. I know the best place to find a gun is in the cabin of that truck. That's the result of trauma. His trauma was training, but a lot of us, our radioactive spider bite is suffering is some sort of feeling of being out of control,

especially when you were small. Right. So the rest of the movies is him trying to get away from his family as they chase him, using the skills he got from being with them to avoid them. So it's just people in a room with computers going, where is he? We gotta get them. That's my mom going, why don't you call on Sunday? Why? Why are you coming home for Thanksgiving? Why are you coming home for Christmas? And

I'm duck and I'm doing comfull. I'm trying to build boundaries, I'm trying to meet people, I'm trying to have a life on my own and then at the end he realizes the only way out is through, and he goes back and faces his family. He goes back to the scene of his trauma, now having had great love, which is Marie. So he was transformed by a great love. He was loved for who he grew up to be, not who people see him as he was as a child.

He's loved for who he grew up to be, and that love transforms him and empowers him to go back to his father, who is like my father, and he doesn't kill him. That's the point. He doesn't kill him. You have to forgive reality, and you have to forgive your tormentors. They were doing what they thought was best, or what they thought they needed to do to get love, to get security, or whatever it might be. And he doesn't kill him. That is the point. We go back

to our families and we forgive them. Yes, yes, that's what I called an ultimate him. That is very good. That is very good answer. There's no way I was going to laugh in your face for that all made sense to me. Good. Speaking of Pete Damon, what's the sexiest film you've ever seen? I can't believe you said that, because my sexiest film is a damon films, the Martian. I can't come without dead Cats, a red sand I need one or the other. I need one or the other. Look,

here's my first answer. Then we'll get to the damon answer. And I hope you appreciate it as a comedy man. As a comedian, I listen to this podcast, I hear people say, hey, two, Mamatumbian. I hear people saying fucking oh on the nose, sexy shit, and I'm just going like, get the fuck out of here. Blue is the warmest color, Like, get out of here. I'm not saying that movie doesn't turn me on. I'm just saying like that to me. My weird answer, and it goes back to when I

was a kid. Is comedy. Nudity will always have a special place interesting in in my bonus because when I watched Eto Mama Tambien, I'm like, I don't have a best friend. I'm not like a good looking, reckless haired boy who's good at soccer and like is charming and drinks tequila, and like, I have no entry point to that. I'm no entry point to blue is the warmest color. I'm no one here. I am no one in that movie.

Show me that movie. Where's the guy that's going like, hello, ladies, like trying too hard, boob shadow, rubber bands on his braces, blah blah bah boom, get the fuck out of here. I didn't have a best friend like that, and I certainly didn't have a three way with a gorgeous older woman. That is not reality. My closest way to sex and sexuality was comedy, not only because it's how I first saw it. Scrooged, I think her nipples are showing. Excuse me,

do you remember that? And Scrooged, I remember that, but I'm I remember it. No if it's not in there, because if it's been sensitive, it's in the third act meeting. It's towards the end and Bill Murray. So there's me. I'm not saying I'm Bill Murray, but as a kid, I'm like, there's Bill Murray and there's a beautiful woman and they bring her up and it's like a joke. How is this a joke? It's just Bonertown. They're going, look at her outfit, her nipples are showing. That's the joke.

I'm at home going there. Probably some of the first boobs I ever saw in my life. Not only are they boobs, it's sort of like a strip tease. It's like kind of visible. That's like like driving me crazy. Kentucky Fried movie with the boobs on the shower glass naked gun, when he's on the on the on the what's it called it? He's on the ledge and he reaches over. It's not exactly an appropriate joke. It doesn't

age well, but it was a bucksom woman. These are these are the airplane during the turbulence, just boobies run by. So for the weirdest answer, but the most honest answer is comedy. Nudity still has like a neural pathway in my brain where I'm like, oh my god, because everybody's having a good time. Like I can see them like discussing the gag and the woman's like in my fantasy is like in on it and enjoying it, and even that feels fun to me. But I could see myself

in that situation. I could be Bill Murray. I'm not a beautiful Latin boy playing soccer with a with a very voluptuous woman. I am like a wise, cracking, sort of uncomfortable guy. And comedy boobs were like the first boobs that I saw. Comedy Bobs is an excellent I'm gonna give you seven points. You're back on tent. All right, let's get to let let's get to the subcategory traveling bone is Wariguaydon film fans went cats. I'm just kidding. Yeah, they're only alive in that you went into it. My

answer is talented, mister Ripley. I know that's I want to be clear. I don't think it's troubling to be gay, you know what I'm saying, But like, as a straight person watch I think it's just incredible filmmaking where it transcends sexuality. So when I say troubling, it might be better to say unexpected. When I watch Damon and Jude Law in the Bath sort of playing grab ass and like they're both just Greek god bodies, like they're just any If they just stood still in a museum, a

crowd would form, you know what I'm saying. So I'm watching it, and every time I watch that movie, Val is a real connoisseur of sexual tension, and the sexual tension in that scene, I relate to it, and I relate to the forbidden love of it, like I find that to be unexpected. I don't know if it's troubling, but I get you. It's very sexy. Actually, Jude Louis is fucking hot. I get it. I get I get what you're saying. But Brad, it's you know what it is.

It's he is catching him. He's catching Matt Damon being horny for him, being attracted to him, And as someone who grew up in the church and was really, you know, sort of traumatized by that, That's how I felt my whole life. One of my jokes is I had to come out of the closet is straight, because like, admitting that you like boobs in the Christian world is still pretty naughty. Like it's like you're fucking weirdo, Like it's gross.

It's like keep that to yourself. And Damon's shame and wanting Jude law even though those you know, male bodies aren't aren't my you know, cup of tea or whatever you want to say. The feeling of the movie I get lost in it, and I'm like, I know what it's like to sneak a peek at somebody that you're really attracted to and you don't want them to know because I mean, that's what my whole adolescence felt like,

because I thought sex was so shameful. But it's also really good filmmaking because you are seeing him through Matt Damon's eyes, and Matt Damon is obsessed and falling in love or lust and you are too that journey and not to ruin it. But then when he kills them, I mean, that is that's It's the opposite of Moonlight. It's like he's resisting the love that's chasing him, and so many of us do that. We would rather believe bad news than good news. Pete Holmes, objectively, what's the

greatest film of all time? It might not be your favorite, but what is the greatest film of all time? What is your greatest? I would say Don't Look Now is arguably top three greatest films of all time. I don't necessarily want to watch it every day, Yeah, you know what I mean. But as a sort of the arts of cinema, the Pineglem cinema guy, it doesn't get much better. The din'tate mat That is a fucking you know. I hate to be an old person saying they don't make

them like that. Anymore. But they don't make them like that anymore. I really, I just feel like you'll relate to this. The trend in art of chasing what people want is so insane because when you go like, well, this was popular, and these franchises were popular, and this nostalgia is popular, and this actor is popular, and this style of director, and let's put them all together in

like a can't miss movie. Really makes my dick soft because you know what, no one would ever say if you got I mean smart people, I mean film loving good people, smart people, not dumb dumbs, not like a focused group, like real good people, and you said, what do you want? What kind of film do you want? None of them are ever going to say, Well, Donald Sutherlands, as a child, not much happens. He's in Venice and he's plagued by the loss giving people. What they don't

know they want is what art should be. You didn't really And you know how I knew what you what I didn't know I wanted? It was because I'm paying attention to my dreams. I'm paying attention to my subconscious I'm in my body, I'm listening to those cold spots in my own inner pool I'm having the courage to fly a kite into a black hole and I pull it back and I go, oh my god, I think Donald Sutherland loses a child. Like instead of reverse engineering, how do we give them what they already had so

that we can make sure they buy it again? Is fucking shit, fucking shit, And it's always wrong. It's always it's always like the thing that is the breakout hit at some point it happens in films, and it might be a Weston and then everyone guys, oh, we gotta make a shit light of Weston's and then the Weston dies again, and then the thing that actually is the breakout hit was note the thing you were planning, and then you just it's just fucking psycho like, right, People

people like to be surprised. They just didn't think they did well. There was a time, you know, I worked with Jed, and JEDD's movies were very surprising at the time. Yeah, forty year old Virgin. These like low fi, low status anti heroes like Believe It or Not younger listeners. But like before the forty year old Virgin comedies were kind of like I had a comedy pitch about like two guys that go to a school where the ratios all

fucked up, so there's thirteen girls to every guy. That was an idea you would have for a movie in the nineties. It'd be like, I think that would be a good movie. It's like poly shore Watch Biodome. There's like it does not age well. There's like shit in there that you're just like, that is not cool. But that's what comedies were. It was. It was to say grab ass us again. It was like, we're horny and you know it, and we're scoring and we were cool guys.

And then Apatow comes along and he's like, no, this guy's never had sex and he's a loser or whatever. I'm playing with your idea of loser. So then what happens after forty year old virgin knocked up super Bad? You start seeing Dinner for schmucks. I'm not putting down these are earnest people trying to make a great movie, but it was chasing a trend. I think some of them worked, but then it did start to overstay. It's welcome when they were trying to imitate the Apatow model.

My answer, though, Brett Yes, is there will be blood and that's that's my answer. You correct, You are correct, You got it right. Correct, No, you're correct. You I let you down a puff to see what you would say, and you you picked the right film. That's absolutely right.

I movie is so good and it changed changed my life, and and and in a country America that only glorifies consumerism and achievement, to have a movie that skewers and shames and belittles and shines a light on what it's like when you're just cutting throats and taking the money and actually breaks that character and shows just how sad that is, what an achievement, that's giving people something they didn't know they want, you know what I mean? It just that it got me in touch with my anger.

He's so mad at Paul Dano's character at Eli, and I was like, I think if we're being honest. When he's like, aren't you an ambassador of the Holy Spirit? Can't you hear my son? I was like, yeah, we all sort of feel that way, don't we. Like we all have that anger. This is what I'm talking about. Forgiving reality is the first forgiveness is like it's it is a nightmare at times, it's it's a beautiful and it's a nightmare, and it's both. It's holding those two together.

And here's a guy who just wants to win, just wants to make it, make it blow gold everywhere. Like when when I can't get a minute to come back into my office and work, I hear his voice going like, if I don't get to write this screenplay, then it can't blow gold everywhere. Like it's the voice of the untethered ego, the drive that would literally kill to not be a schmuck, to not be a loser. And but

the fact that it has the honesty. It's like movies that show violence but aren't honest about the repercussions of violence aren't great. Aren't always great movies. There's there's you know, kill Billy and stylized violence. But I'm saying, like real movies to me, show a fault, blind ambition and greed and then show the consequence of it. He's alone in that sad old man sweater killing sort of his only friend, you know, like his friend of me. He murders him.

He's gonna get caught this time, you know, And he sits like he sits like he shot himself, like he's sat in a diaper and he's so guys finished, Yeah, that's right, Come and wipe my bum It's like, yes, so of it. The message of that movie is to one of them, is having all of your needs met or having everything you ever wanted is not the answer. And unfortunately there's too many movies, there's too many comedians even where the subtext is if you get money, you'll

be okay. And I just anything that puts a dick in that cake is okay by me. Ye degree, give me five hundred points. That's right. What's the film that you could or have? What's the most I reiver again. I am an obsessive movie watcher. I think we've talked about we both love Madmen. I've watched the whole of

Madmen way too many times. But the best answer, and I have seven or eight movies written down here, the best answer for the movie that I always want to watch, meaning I watched it a week ago and I would watch it with you this afternoon is about Schmidt. I can't stop watching about Schmidt. I think it's perfect. I think it's funny, and it helps me makes sense a little bit of the world, like it really something. Here's what it is. Man is like a lot of times

I go around. You know how Thorow said the massive men lead lives of quiet desperation. Right, Yes, that makes me sad and that weight needs expression in art. And when I watch that movie, I go like, look, here's an ordinary life, but it's filled with If you look closely, everything is there. And he learns that when he gives the toast at the end of the movie, you see that he's learned to love the imperfections. That he stopped wanting reality to be something that it's not, and he

starts loving it for what it is. And it happens because of a loss. My homeboy Richard Roy calls that falling upward. He falls upward, he loses his wife. I don't want to give too many spoilers. That's in the trailer, I'm sure. And he just keeps getting broken again and again and again, and to quote Leonard Cohen, it's the cracks that let the light through. At the end, he stops hoping for something else, he stops doing what's expected, and he starts waking up to what is and forgiving it.

You see a man forgiving it. He forgives it and we all mother fucking have to forgive reality, and it's for you. It's for you to forgive it. That's about Schmidt. Okay, very good. You're so British. I'm gonna make you cry. I'm gonna make you cry, salty brit I heard you say you don't cry. I'm going for it. I'm actually not going for it. But I also just think it's a perfectly made movie, really good. What's the what is

the film? We don't like to be negative, pet, although you tried it, you tried it earlier, and I didn't like it today, but now it was a leading question. It was leading, but I wasn't expecting to feel the dreams to get danked on and not on my watch. What's the what's the film? What's the worst film you've ever seen? I'm gonna I'm gonna say, maybe this is a cop out because so many people don't like these movies. But the newer, any newer thing, we're Superman's in it.

I hate it because I don't like that style where it's like we're not even trying to look like we're not on a green screen. There's just like blue green smoke in every scene. Everybody's saying what they are thinking, like, there's no subtext, there's no appreciation for how characters and human beings actually communicate, which is sometimes you say the opposite of what you're thinking or feeling. I mean, pay attention.

You do that. Everyone does that. You say you love something and you hate it, or you say you want to do something and you don't want to do it. But in those movies, everybody's just expressing their clean, freshly fact stan opinion and they say it. Lois Lane is like, I'm a hot head reporter and I'm going to chase this story and i don't care if you've never seen a woman in this position. I'm gonna show you what's what. And then she does. And Superman is just not a

compelling hero. He's invincible. Like we're saying, like, I like wounds. I like things that remind us of the way that the universe works, and the way the universe works is it works with your wounds. It works with your wounds. And Superman loses his planet. But fuck off, you were a baby and you had a you know what I mean, you didn't know them. You don't know krypton, and then nothing hurts you except kryptonite so it's always kryptonite. It's

gonna be kryptonite. That's gonna be the twist. But there was one little piece of kryptonite, or it's gonna be two super invincible people bashing into each other with no steaks. This is going to be more controversial. But I have the same problem with Harry Potter. It's magic being shot at magic and you're like, which magic is stronger? It's just oh yeah, And I'm like, this is stakeless. This is the deaf and shidnt of nonsense. Like I'm not saying those are bad movies, but Superman is just two

impenetrable things trying to penetrate each other to waste the time. Look, I say I hate cgi hates it unless I don't know this is it, and then I'm impressed by it. Wilson, the volleyball, that's a reference for Vale. She's going to listen to this, She'll know what I mean. Make me care about a volleyball, don't make me not care about a city. That's what. That's the magic of cinema that we care about tokens like we care about them. We

again to say ambute, we imbute them with meaning. What now, Pehimes, you're in comedy, you're a comedian, you're very funny. What's the film that made you laughed the most? Here's two things I'm not. I'm not a guy who gets stoned a lot and watches movies. I actually think it ruins them. And I, oh, I forget what the other one was. But oh, I also don't like bad movies. You know how people like bad movie like I've seen The Room. It's fine. I prefer the disaster Artists. I like the

movie about the movie. But Kungpow foot fist Way. If you're stoned and you don't know what it is, I don't know if I still don't know what it is. I saw it and I still don't know what it is. Val and I watched it and I got stoned, and I it's so confusing and strange. You stopped trying to understand it and you just let it happen that he's fighting a baby, and you just I just started weeping with like healing laughter. I was like, they've done it.

They figured out what's funny, and it's Kung foot fist Way. And I'm sure everybody says borat. That was my sober hardest laugh was Borat in the theaters. But kungkow foot fist way really good, Pims. You've been wonderful, of course

you have. No one expected anything less from you. However, when you were trying to save some dead cats and you covered yourself in in moisturizing cream, Buddy or loop, and you went through a hole in the wool, and he put clamps on your nipples and stats into the size of the beds, and then you've got a boner, and then you the aneurism made me jeers. Yes, yeah, then you had an anneurism for no good reason, and then you jeers, and then you were dead and surrounded

by dead cats. I'm passing by with a coffin, you know, I'm like, I wonder what Pete's up to. I think he's in town doing a show. I think he's staying in this motel. I knock on the door, Pete, Pete. He's very quiet, kind, even here cats me having He's always got cats with him. I've knocked down the door. There you are. I'm not the first one there. There's lads and lads of press in the room. They're just taking pictures like I didn't listen. I know what it

looks like. I know this guy, trust me, trust me, he was trying to save these cats. I'm sure this is just a terrible tragedy to get out of here, guys, and I put you in the coffin, but I also put all the dead cats in there with you, because I know that's what you'd want. Of course, I want you to enjoy coming for the rest of eternity. And who you press a button saying something happens, and I have quarters half dollars on my eyes, and they have dime yeah in their eyes. Yeah yeah, and yeah, and

your bonu is still there, which makes something dificult. I have to chop off your bonu and put it just mix it up with the dead cats. Anyway, coffin is absolutely packed bonus dead cats in you and the nipple clamps of course industrial strength. And I'm strung. Yeah, only enough room in this coffin to put one DVD into the side. Jam it in the side for you to take across to the other side. And on the other side, there is no thing. There's movie night every night, and

one night it's your movie night. What film are you taking? The show? Everyone? When it's your movie night, Pete Himes. You know that's interesting. I think the DVD that cleans the lens, you know that one the little brush and you here because I'm there to help everyone watch their movies. Very kinds. I actually, you know, it's not the movie that I would want to show in the noting Other life or whatever, but the movie that has the most

bob or or like. It's just like a relic. Like I consider like a DVD of this movie to be like a holy item. Is the documentary Into Great Silence. You have to say it carefully because it sounds like into Great Silence, Into Great Silence. It's where these French filmmakers had access to this monastery that they had never given access to, and it is you can't watch it, in my opinion, especially if it's in the theater, which I've never had the pleasure, but I've you know, turned

the lights off and did my best. It just is the feeling of when someone reminds you that this is it, you know what I mean. It slows you down to the point where you feel like you're underwater and there's asmr in it. There's like cutting felt robes with big shears and there's like making soup, and it's just like monks looking out a stone window just watching the sunrise. There's no story, there's nothing. It shows them shoveling snow.

But if you see someone who's present shoveling the snow, who knows that that's all they're doing, is shoveling snow, shoveling snow is enough to convert you or help you. I don't mean convert to a religion, I mean transform you. I mean it's enough to make you go as I hope you are talking to me, and I hope is everyone listening? This is it, This is it, and it's enough, and it's enough. Not what am I going to listen to after this? What? Not? What am I going to

eat after this? Not how much sleep am I going to get tonight? But just dropping anchor in this and the Great Eckartley says, how you feel right now is how you feel about your life. We think it's like this summary, like we're going to do all these cool things and at the end we'll look at the summary, like the recap, the season recap, and go that was a good life. Fuck that shit. It's just this how

you feel right now? Is how you feel about your life, and a movie like that will make you feel beautiful just washing the dishes. Well, are they going to have a lovely time movie? It is lovely being avoid looking into your avoid? Is there anything you would like to tell people to look out for or listen to or what to lasso? Season two? Now, can Nate have an Android? Now? Can he? Now that he's wicked and android? Yeah? And and of course he has Yeah. Now that he's bad,

he has to have a Google phone. Um, well, Smallwood will be out. Um. But I always like to draw people listen to Brett's episode of my podcast, one of the best ghost stories we've ever had on the show. These podcast is really really brilliant. If you haven't listened to it, I highly recommend it. That's that's what I'd like to promote. But specifically your episode is a great place to start because I already like you and that's a that's a fun side of you. God bless you,

Pete Himes. You've been a joy. Thank you to have a wonderful noting death. Take care. So was episode one hundred and seventy one. I hope you enjoyed it very much. Head over to Patreon dot com forwards. Last Brett gold Seem for the extra thirty minutes of chat seekers and video with Pete. Go to Apple Podcast gives a five star, writing but right about the film that means the most of you and why it's lovely to read, it helps numbers, et cetera. It's very much appreciated. Thank you so much

to Pete for doing the show. Thanks to Scrubious pipping the distraction pieces of network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it. Thanks to Adam Richardon for the graphics. Please Alliden for the photography. Thank you all very much for listening, and I hope everything is great with you all out there. Come and join me next week for another smasher of a guest, and I'm not telling you who it is. It's a

big one. So that is it for now. In the meantime, I hope you will have a lovely week and please now more than ever, be excellent to each other. By pros