Pearl Mackie • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #153

really is. Actually I do love that film, but it's so dark. Fair play Heraclitus. Every week I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Sharon Stone, Kevin Smith, James A Castor, Jamila Jamil and even said Zambles. But this week is the brilliant and wonderful actor Pearl Mackie.

Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Breck gold Steam, where you'll get an extra twenty minutes of chat with Pearl. You get a big secret from her, a quite a brilliant one. You hear about her thoughts on the greatest beginnings but greatest endings of films. You also get the whole episode uncut and as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com Forward slash Breck gold Steam. There's a live show coming up. You know about that yet only a few tickets left. You

better grab them. July third, Underbelly with the Fraid and Taskmaster's hero Sarah Kendall as my guest. You can get your tickets. Come along. We'll all be nice to each other, have a great old time. Your two TV missions, as always, are to watch season one of ted Lasso before season two starts on July twenty three on the Apple TV Plus app and season one of Soulmates on Amazon Prime. One will make you very happy, the other will make you question your relationships. Pearl Mackie or Pearl Mackie is

a brilliant actor. I was so excited to get her on the podcast. We recorded this on Zoom. I think you're going to Basically this is one of the great episodes. She was effing amazing. She gave such brilliant answers. I was so grateful for the amount of thought and time she put into this. Honestly, I mean you'll hear. If you don't like this one, you're an absolute idiot. It's one of the great I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. So that is it for now.

I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and fifty three of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is me of Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor, a radio actor, a stage actor, a TV actor, a film actor, a legend, an assistant to the doctor, a hero, a leader, the future of humanity, and the greatest person on the screen at this moment. Please welcome to the show. It's the brilliant bow back. What's an intro? The greatest

person on the screen at the moment? Part from yourself, No, no, no, including including myself. It is a pleasure to have you. Thank you for doing this. How are you. I'm very well. Yeah, it is a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm good. My arm hurts a little bit. I just had my second jab today. Yeah, it was like, thanks, I'm excited. I think it's something to be very excited about. Yeah, which which one do you get? Which one do you get?

The good one? I've got the good one. Oh, you don't worry about minimal minimal side effects as far as I know, I don't know. I let's see throughout the course of this podcast, it could have sent me or at least I could blame it for that anyway. So let's see now those of you can't see pear hairliks fucking wicked. Thanks mate, We're having a look at the video just to see how good hairlocks. Oh yeah, oh yeah,

and this is this is a new thing. Yeah, I just go down the other day actually just yeah, just thought, why not let's just have a bit of fun, No, just jo let's enjoy our lives for god life. You know. Also, it's meant to be summer, so I was like, oh, I know, I'll get some brainburst the end of Pride month. Yes, come on then, And it's literally pissing you down. So I don't think that's I don't think it's the fult of your hair. I'm not blaming that. That would There's

been rumors that that is why I've stood by you. Now, what do I want to know about you before we get into this. Well, so I met you. For those of you who don't know, we did a radio sitcom pilot for the pin we did. That's where I met you, and you had just finished doing Doctor Who. I believe, Yeah, is what I want to know. I don't need to

know about your experience with Doctor Who. What I'm interested in because to go from you were doing stage shows to suddenly being in Doctor which makes you pretty famous whether you like it or not. Was that a scary thing? Was it a great thing? How did you deal with all that suddenness of it? It was a madness, to be honest. Yeah, yeah, literally just sort of going from like one day just kind of bopping about doing my job, thinking, oh, yeah,

I'm on the West End stage. This is amazing. You know, this is probably the most exciting job I'm never going to have in you know, just happily walking around you know, central London, just enjoying life in between shows and that kind of thing, being as ridiculous as I wanted to be without anyone looking at me. Just suddenly being like, oh, there's loads of people outside stage door every time I finished the show, Whenever I go down the street, like

it was quite mad. It's literally yeah, it did feel like wow, this is a lot. And also I hadn't even started filming yet, so I was a bit like I don't even really know. They're like, oh my god, so what's your character, like like tell me this, tell me this, and I don't have anything to say. Like a trailer. I was like, I was there for about I was there for about a day, which was mental, but also it was all such a blur because I was so nervous, and then I couldn't tell anyone about it.

So I kind of like minimized the experience of filming that trailer trailer because it was so intense and like so crazy. I kind of like can't really remember any of it apart from how mad it was. So I was literally just there like I honestly have nothing to offer you, and they're still like, oh no, but it's really really exciting. It's so exciting, and I mean it was amazing. You know, it's like an amazing family to be part of. Like the fans are like so dedicated,

which is amazing. But it was just quite weird, Like, you know, I just totally didn't expect that to happen. Like I was sitting at my friends. My friend was like helping out in a shop and used to work in a shopp in Brixton Inton Village, and yeah, I was just sitting in by her while she was like having I think she just went to the lou or something and she's like, oh, you mind just staying in here.

I'm just you know, something popped in and was like really really really excited and it's like this this French guy, and I was just like, I was like, this is so out of the ordinary. I think I've just been to the gym or something. So I was like sitting there like a bit sweaty. I was like, you really really me? I mean I look like shit, but okay, right, So yeah, basically that wasn't mad. And obviously it has calmed down a little bit now, or I've got a bit more used to it. I don't mean, yeah, do

you just get used to it? How does it work?

It just seems a lot. I don't really know, to be honest, I think it does still surprise me sometimes when people like stare at me when I'm walking, unless I have braids like this, which case I'm like, obviously you've been like yeah, I look you look at because I look at But yeah, sometimes I think, especially like when I go to new places and like, you know, sometimes like as a black woman, you're like, are you staring at black and you don't want me to be here?

Oh no, you recognize it. Okay, cool, that's fine, you know, as long as it's like but yeah, it can be sometimes it's still quite like disconcerting when people like you that someone did it to me yesterday and that it hasn't. I mean, I guess I just haven't been well, no one's been around, no one's been out in ages. So it was I was like, oh, I was just sitting down after I got my vaccination, and I definitely I was like, you, fully, I can see, I can see

what you're doing. I'm not. And then like his Nate said, around look really like obviously it was like and I did believe they don't really I don't think maybe even like they weren't huge fans, they didn't come up to me and for anything. But you still like, sometimes that's a bit weird as well, because I was like, cool, I was just now I'm just sitting here, quite fair that it's looking at me every now I guess I

don't really know. Yeah. The worst is the worst is when someone says something like I saw you in that show and you go okay, and then they don't say anything and you're like, yeah, so I don't even know if you enjoyed that show. You're literally just like me in the show. Just a statement of fact, I saw you in that show. Can you even remember? Watch how it was? Yeah? Okay, Oh you're the actress from that show. I'm like, yeah, could be, could be, I could be

someone else. Really depends if you like that particular show we're talking about. Yeah, before before I concur on this way. Yeah, you've been you've just been filming. Can you talk about Do you want to tell us anything or is it secrets? Yeah? I can talk? Why not? I mean sure, Yeah, just been filming an ITV detective drama. Very Are you the detective? What's happened? I am? I am one of one of

a couple of detectives. Yeah, Ben Aldridge Ben Aldridge, and yeah, we just literally just came off it like two weeks ago.

I think it's called The Long Hall. It's very much kind of exploring the character that Ben plays his life as a gay man who's been sort of shunned from his community, which are like the community which is a sect of the Christian Church that are quite extreme um and sort of him having sort of been ostracized from them and left and then coming back, you know, and then sort of moving back to his hometown and then having this murder that kind of it like encourages well,

it doesn't encourages him, kind of forces him to kind of go back to his community and kind of confront some truths and within that, I'm might play ds generafity you who was also moved to Devon, to North Devon, went to where it's set because she's sort of looking for a better life for her and her kids. So there's a little bit of soul searching here and there, and there's quite a lot of parallels drawn between their own lives and kind of they used a lot of

their own kind of experiences to investigate the investigation. Investigate, investigator to just stop to investigate. Shouldn't know. Well, I'll tell you what that actually sounds fucking great. You really really so very well and I would like to see that. May I asked this, did you film in Devon? We filmed in Bristol and in Devon. Yeah, so we were in Bristol for seven weeks and then went down to Devon for three weeks, which was really nice actually, I

mean I genuinely had a lovely time filming it. It was an amazement and just just had loads of jokes, you know, just you know when you just have one of them lovely, lovely jobs that you're like, this doesn't actually feel like work, even though obviously when you know the work itself it was quite serious because you know it's a serious subject matter, but around it, you know,

we just had a lovely time. Like the director was amazing and just let us, you know, sort of have a really nice time playing around with it and make us feel really comfortable and really open. And is your experience you've done a lot more, a lot more hardcore drama than myself. Is your experience making dramas that between takes you can have a laugh, it's a lot of fun or is it usually heavy, heavy all the time. I don't know. If I have done a lot more

serious drama, I'm not sure. I think I think it very much depends show to show, regardless of what the content is. I mean, I did an episode of Friday and I dinner and that's heavy, heavy drama. Heavy no, and that's really serious drama. And actually no one spoke to each other exactly know what I mean. And I kind of thought, you know, maybe that was the case, because I think that's something that people say quite a lot,

isn't it. They're like, oh, you know, within when it's a comedy, there's kind of no room for you behind the scenes because everyone's trying to make their comedy work on that. But we had a lovely time and you know, we're playing Boggle upstairs in the green room and having jokes and you know, you as your Buggle games strong, not as strong as all of their right, this is some real fucking behind the scenes ship going down here.

That's a real like that's gonna be front past that. Yeah, oh yeah, I got a real exclusive here about the Friday that idea of Boggle games. Yeah, yeah, I am an idiot. I've forgotten to tell you something. Okay, well i've forgotten. I should I should have actually really told you. Maybe I should have texted it to you before we started or something, because I feel like we're recording that.

It's it's awkward that I've left it this late. I'm just gonna have to say it, and I hope it's okay, but we've got to go for it, and i'll see how see how I respond. Yeah, there's no pressure on how you respond. I'll just give you. I'll just say it and then you've been deal with. However you you've died it, okay, Yeah, I'm so sorry. All right, that's

I'm glad you finished that filming. I hope they're not expecting any pickups or radio well fingers crossed, because you know, if they do, then they will have to get I don't know. I'm kind of double. How did you die? It was? I think it's quite sad. Actually I don't. You probably don't know this about me, but I've been allergic to shellfish since I was twenty one, which is it was early about two minutes ago. Anyway, don't worry about it. Yeah, but it's um. It's been. It's been

a real plight of my existence. I love shellfish, or I did before. Yes, please tell me what happened between twenty and twenty one. If you're eating shellfishness couldn't eat just one day. It was like, this is not good, bad, time, very serious allergic reaction, which is progressed because I was like, oh, maybe it's just prawns. Nah, tried to eat some muscles, tried to eat a few other bits and bobs, it's

all of that. It's so um. Yeah. I just basically reached the end of my tether and was like, do you know what. I've only had lobster once. It was delicious. I just don't think. I don't think it's going to be that bad for me. So I smashed loads of lobster and if I can kill me like an instant. It was slow. It was slow and painful. Oh yeah, yeah in a restaurant. Yeah, kind of, you know, all the air was sort of sucked out of me. But I was kind of puffy but also dehydrated, sort of. Yeah.

Who were you with? I was with my mum christ Yeah, I know, I know, but she was sitting there going told you so, I shouldn't have eating the lobster. So she had some pleasure, at least the satisfaction of I told you so, maybe a little bit. I don't know how she feels about it now, but I would say a shout, but I can't. What was it you looked like you were about to say, and I'm really sorry

I realized I cut you off. Sorry, I was just looked a bit like, you know, I don't know if you've ever used those emojis that like kind of like octopuses with expressions. Yeah, they also look a bit like a wrinkled bulls at yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I looked like, A bit like that, a little bit in places, you know, and a little bit more shriveled in other places. But yeah, it was It's not pretty, It's not it wasn't an open calasket, you know. Wow. Wow, Well,

I'm so sorry. That's um really one of the worst ways to go. We've we've had. Do you do you worry about Do you worry about death? Pecky? I don't, necessarily, I don't worry about my own death. I don't think, um well, I mean, you know, apart from this whole year that we've just had where death seemed to be around the corner for everyone and that was quite scary. But again, I think that wasn't so much worrying about me. That was more worrying about transmitting the virus to someone

else that would then die. You know, like more worried about sort of you know, my mum and other people just you know, other older, more vulnerable people and that kind of thing. Yeah, but I don't I don't know. I don't think I necessarily worry about the fact that I'm going to die. What do you think happens when you die? A don I just need to die in it?

Just that blackout? I think so. I mean, i'd like to think that there is I'm not I'm not a religious person, but I do believe in like sort of like harma and the kind of you know, being nice to people and then nice things will come back to you. But I don't necessarily I think that that's a way to live your life and then you get the reward at death. I feel like that's a way to live your life instead of incarnation. You think it all happens

within the one life. You're good people, people are good to you, you get the rewards as it were, that Heaven promises you get in your life. I think so, yeah, And I mean I do, I don't know. I do feel like I've had like my godmother was very very close to me, and she died when I was nineteen. I think yeah, probably in my second year of UNI.

And I still like, I still talk to her, Yeah yeah, I still sometimes, you know, have conversations, and I feel I still feel her around, not in like a weird ghostly way, but in a in a nice way in the you know, I feel like there's a lot of things that she supported me doing, and you know, she was just really really supportive throughout my whole journey and my whole life. Really she was like another parent to me.

So I don't know if that's just me manifesting that because I miss her, you know, or if that is because I believe that she is somewhere having my time. But I don't know. I do feel like when set think happen, I do feel like she is there, which is nice. But maybe that's because I wanted to be there. I don't know, do you know what I mean? I do know exactly what you mean, and I really love it. And I often wonder about that, and I almost think there's a I can't get my head around the idea

of nothing. There's nothing, it's nothing in black nothing black. Yeah. Yeah, And I think partly the reason I've read things where it's like, oh, that's just the sort of arrogance of humans that we go, but we must be so important, there must be more. But I think I think it's more. It's partly more to do with like a to do with energy. That energy doesn't end, so if you're yeah,

the energy of you goes, it goes somewhere else. But also the memory of people, just the sheer memory of people is in some way them living on, like that they're yeah, talking about your if you believe in there's nothing after it, but you still talk to your godmother Like that's interesting in terms of either she's literally a presence there or I don't know, Yeah, you uninfested something that I don't know, but it's fascinating. I love it. But then also I think, like you know, kind of

the magic of it is. And I think the fascination that human the human race death is that we don't not it's completely known and we don't you know, And it is about belief and what we believe and what it's essentially what that belief makes us do, and like how that translates into our behavior and how that translates into our day to day existence, like whether or not I believe that she is somewhere or whether or not

I believe that there isn't anything. It's like I can't quite amalgamate the two feelings, but I think both of them help me potentially. I don't know. I think it's and I think it's sort of that kind of fascination. I think also, you know, I'm very much like I'm not like no, I totally disagree with all religions and

you know, all people thinking that. I think, if you know, if it helps you to believe, if it helps you to be a better person to everyone in reality, then yeah, I mean believe in heaven and hell and you know, but if it, you know, if it makes you tell me that I'm going to be I'm going to go to hell for doing you know, things that you deem terrible,

then I think that's just personal judgment essentially. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's where that's that's where we need a Channel five documentary when when religions go back, Yes, well I got good dudes for you. Yeah, okay, got them. There is a heaven. It's fucking great and you get in you are you got right played at the time, because I'd happily be wearing these forever. You're wearing the braids forever. The thing is they're locked in forever now you wear them every day in heaven. Oh okay, okay.

And and heaven's got your favorite things in it. What's your favorite thing? Like? I mean soup dumplings. Soup dumplings. Right, everything is made from soup dumplings. It's messy. It's going to get messing everywhere. Soup dumpling's perfect. Temberton. Nothing's burning you. But you can eat. You could you have chairs are made of soup dumpling. You can eat as you see it. Everything it's a dumpling heaven. And in this heaven everyone's very excited to see you, but they won't talk about

your life through the film. And the first thing they want to know is what's the first film you remember seeing? Pearl Macky. I think the first film that I remember seeing is Meet Me in Saint Louis that you know what? That has never come up? So already twenty points for you, Thank you very much. Didn't know this was a point scoring exercise, but I'm very glad it is. Yeah, it's very much a competition. You didn't know you'd entered a bit so far cracking start. I love a competition. Let's go. Yeah,

I think that, I mean, I don't. I mean I watched a couple of early films up quite early on in my life. I remember having quite distinct memories of like my mum platting my hair on a Sunday night after she'd washed it before school, probably like when I was about five or six. But as we used to do this, you know, every week for so much of my life until I decided that I wanted to try and do my hamma's elf. So you know, there's a strong,

like twelve thirteen years of that kind of happening. But when I was younger, there were a couple of films that are on rotation, but I think Meet Me and Saint Louis is the one I really I really remember. It really really stood out for me. It's one of I mean, it's one of my favorite films as well, probably because it was one of the earliest. So would it would it? Would it have been specifically your mum put it on or it was just on while you were you were there? I think no, my mum put

it on. Definitely we had it know that she I think recorded off the TV. We used to do load of that, But yeah, I think I think she recorded it off the TV and would put it on, probably because I think she'd probably ask. I don't think we had many videos that were she loves films, but I don't know. I think they know if we had a huge amount of like kids, but there was a couple that I loved and I she would be like, which,

what what do you want to watch? And I'd be like, I want to watch mo mean Saint Louis, and I just I just love it. I mean, I think just like just the young the young girl in it. I think it's Margaret O'Brien plays two tea. It's just brilliant.

It's just so it's so not what I would have thought, like early early twentieth century family in Saint Louis in America would be like and it's always really at the beginning in the scene where the beginning and she's there making a catch up and I'm saying it's too sweet and too sour, and it's like it's hilarious. It just it feels like there's a lot of life in it. I mean, and then like you meet Judy Garland, who is just I absolutely love Judie Garland like, I love

her a lot. I think I just said she's just magical. I mean, I think there's a real like there's just an amazing quality that really draws you in. I mean it's probably vulnerability and all of the shit that she was going through while she made all of these amazing films, and the horrible pressure and all the drugs and all of that. Did you watch it? Do you remember thinking I want to do that. I want to be a right, right, because you're also a dancer, right, I'm not a dancer. No,

I says that on my Wikipedia page. Yeah, one of my friends finds that possibly the funniest thing about me. I mean, I could dance, but I'm not a but I am a singer. And yeah, I remember watching Judy Garland sing the Trolley Song and be like, what the fuck is that that is? I want to do that? I think it was just like it's just a feeling it gave me. It just made me feel like really

like really happy, but really in gauged. And she's like she's telling the story through this song and it's sort of it's I mean, it's completely staged, but it feels kind of like it's not which is great. It feels sort of a bit gossipy and a bit amazing, and

it's quite fizzy and a bit magical. And then at the end when when he gets on the trolley and she sees him and she's like, oh my god, Oh my god, I was like, I remember, like I was like that feel I was like, I'm so with you on your journey as a five year old, even though

I totally don't understand really any of those feelings. I was like, you've managed to communicate this to me, and I think that is incredible, and you made me feel happy and sad and a bit scared for you, but also really excited through just this one song and then you know, subsequently through the rest of the film and stuff. And I was like, I want to make people feel that, like you've made me feel things. I want to make

people feel things. I think that's really cool, absolutely incredible answer, Thanks very much. Gets worse from here. Okay, good. That is some high bar you're setting. Is What about what about crying? What's the film that made you cry the most? Do you crazily? I do crazily at a film? Yeah, yeah, life? Not in life. No, I didn't used to crib very easily in life. But I think I'm getting a bit soft as i'm getting older because I do. Yeah, I think, Um, I mean, I think crying is very healthy. I think

it's a good thing. I think we should encourage people to cry more. I think it's very cathartic. And I mean, who doesn't feel better after a cry? You know, I think it's good. I probably don't cry enough, but I think I am getting better at it. But yeah, I think it's usually like things that I'm like, I'm feeling a bit anyway, feeling a bit iffy, feeling a bit like a little bit upset about something, a bit angry.

Often cry because angry that is that's a that's a thing. Um. But then something will trigger it, like a film or you know, an advert or something silly stupid sentimental meme or something, and I'll be like, god, yeah you go I need I needed that. Yeah, yeah, you're just like thanks for that. Sweet. I mean, no, I'm on the bus, but it's cool handle it. So what's the film that made film? I think that made me cry the most is a film called fruit Vale Station. Have you seeing it?

Michael B. Jordan? Yeah, deep it's so deep. I don't think it's like well, I mean, I think it's a great film, But I think what's great about it is the like the realism. I don't think the storytelling is a phenomenal out of this world. That's why it's constructing, you know, that's the construct of That is what made me cry. But I think it's just how real it is. And I mean I watched it about seven years ago.

I don't know, seven eight years ago. I watched it by myself in my friends flat that I was living in at the time, just one evening, I was at home by myself and watched it. And I mean, I think, to be fair, if I watched it now, you know, with the subject matter of a young black man getting shot by the police in a way that's well, not an accident but it's easily preventable, is something that we I mean, I don't think it would make me cry

any less now. And I feel like I wept. I was weeping sort of halfway through the film, because you know, it's just the story of him with his daughter and his girlfriend is just really lovely but also really real. You know, they're kind of going through some shit and it's tough, and then just you know when when it happens and he's on the train and you're just like, this is just awful. And I was just I think I was just after it. I think I cried for about half an hour, like so I was like, it's

sobbing on the sofa, like it was awful. I was just and I think I think because I was like, I know, this is not over. This is not a one off thing that happened. This is something that happens a lot. And I mean I think probably since then, it's maybe I don't know if it's the numbers of escalated, but well they have escalated, but also they I think it's becoming more in the public eye, you know. I mean,

like obviously it was George Floyd last year. I was like, it just it seemed like everyone kind of went, this is just no sort of it became just too much to bear really, and I think, yeah, I mean it's

a weird one. I think I still remember how I felt then watching it, and I think that very much sort of translated into how I felt about George Floyd and that whole all the whole Black Lives Matter amazing movement but the kind of the fight and the kind of everyone was just like, fuck this ship, this is not okay anymore. We can't we can't just sit here and and just let this happen because it's like and it was so blatant and and I mean I didn't watch the video, but I was like, I don't think.

I don't think I need to watch the video. I don't don't. I didn't need that. I didn't need to be like educated in how fucking awful this is and how again easily preventable it was. Yeah, and well, I mean this is always going to be a deep question, wasn't it. Yeah. I mean, you know most people say

et but yes, I don't know. I mean I think I think I do respond to films that are quite I mean close to home isn't even necessarily the right thing to say, but that are close to real life and that are about things that have happened to my people. I feel like that is something that I do really really respond to. Is I mean, you know, it's just real and if if if it's done well, like you know,

Fregil Station is a great film. It is it is really it's it's really worldhold and I think if it's done, it just feels like that feels like that is a real story. That. Yeah, and it's interesting it stayed with you. Yeah, that loves it that with everything that happens in real life. Yeah, that that film stayed with you as well. It's very very interesting. What is the film you DoD? I mean, listen fide mate, Yeah, I mean, I don't know where we're going to go from here. Let's see what's the

film that scared you the most? Okay, for goodness takes, I can't really handle horror films at all. I'm gonna just stuck and tell you this now, going to put it out there. Get scared very easily, Okay, like really really easily. So I've got a few sort of films to choose from here. I think the biggest like jump, yeah, I had is um watching What Lies Beneath? Yeah, I love it. What's that film in the cinema with my cousin who also doesn't like horror films? I don't know

why did we watch it? I mean I think it was it was out at the time, and we were like, cool, we're in la room like Santa Monica. When it's going to stay with my auntie who was working over there at the time, so we were out. I mean we just thought we were like the coolest name ever yea, walking around in like pink bandanas and ship and thinking that we were cool for being in the shopping mall. That's pretty cool. Sounds cool. But yeah, I think it

was on and it was a Harrison Ford Michelle fIF Fifer. Yes, of course you're going smooky, some spooky kind of smooky, smoky smoothing. There is some spitching and some spooky smooching. Yeah, so maybe that's what spooky smoky in a word, it's very heavy on the smoke snooky hello. But I think it's that bit, isn't it. I think it's that when she comes out of the bath or something. It's around

the smooky. Yeah, there's but like these I screamed and jumped out of my seat, both of us and like it's like a cartoon, like like flung around around each other. We're like literally screaming um and I mean and everyone

laughed in the cinema. It wasn't that busy because it was like probably showing because we were thirteen, probably have to go home quiet, like my mom and my aunt even waiting to like having a coffee down the road or something into Dak or so, so there wasn't that many people in the cinemas, which was also quite scary. Found that quite scary too. Yeah, but it was just, you know, it was really just creepy. It just really creeped me out. And it's like it's a smoky movie.

It's smoking, it's smoking. But I mean, this is not I feel like this is not a standalone one. And I feel like, you know, as I'm out here embarrassing myself, I'm gonna just go a bit further and tell you that I was terrified of Hooker's focus until I was about well, you know, listens the Disney film About Which is the Disney film About Which? And the thing is like, it's a brilliant film, And like I would say, if I watch it again, I've seen clips, haven't seen the

whole thing, probably gonna still be a bit scared. But it's sick. But like when Sarah Jessica Parker is running flying down the street on a hoover singing, come little children, I'll take you away. No, no, I'm sorry, that's scary. That is scary for a child I mean, maybe not most children, but it's it freaked me out. It's a it's a film on paper that is about which is and it's totally legit. It came out Halloween Halloween that

it is meant to be scary. It's one of those ones you'd watch it at a sleepover and probably both other people will be asleep by the time we got to the scary bit and it would just be me on my own, fucking I didn't hind a fucking pillow, being like, well, what if she comes to take it away? Who is here to save me? Carrie Bradshaw comes on. It's terrifying. Oh I got a better Middler's Teeth as well. Absolutely one of the scariest films of all the time.

You're correct. Well, also, they are making a Hoperspocus too, and I'm going to watch it because it is actually brilliant. It's you're brave enough for spokers too? I am. I think I'm probably going to be scared again. But do you know what I'm ready for that? Yes, it back after you see it, shivery. It was so scary. Middler's Teeth, oh gosh, I don't know how. I don know how they get to top it, but trickyd maybe Dyson. Oh hello, I could probably really fly to be fair. Yeah. Yeah.

What's the film that people don't generally like? It's not critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally. Friday, Love Friday. Friday a great film. It's film hilarious, so funny, but it's not critically acclaimed as it didn't win the Oscars. It should have, thank you, thank you. Comedy films rarely do. But that's a whole that's the whole other thing. Yeah, I mean, yeah, man, Friday is just great. Friday is just hilarious. You know, I feel like act to the plays.

The dad in Friday is some just has some of the most comedy lines ever, you know, and he's like whatever I can't in the kitchen, you and Gideon. He's not all the food. It's like, I just I like, I love it. I could. It still makes me laugh now. It's lovely, it's great, it's wonderful. What's I quote it? When I come out at the bathroom, where are you going? The kitchen, all the rooms in the house. Oh yeah, I love it. It's sucking great. What's the film that

you used to love? You loved it a lot when you were younger, but you've watched it recently and you do not like it anymore for whatever reason that might be. Okay, so um, this is a bit wrong as well. But I watched it the other day La Confidential go on. Interesting answer. I haven't watched it in a very long time. I know it was good. No, well, Nora and I and it used to be like I was talking to my girlfriend and I was like, look, she was like, oh in that like the first we were like, oh,

what films should we watch? And this came up and I was like it's great, like we should and she's like, I've never seen it, like you know, not because blah blahlah. And I was like, no, it's great, it's great. So we watched it like literally two days ago, and I was like, I used to I used to love it. I used to think it was like really interesting kind of insight into life in la and it was kind of the glamor but the seediness and the four ease and you know, that was all quite fascinating for me.

And the kind of the whole like tense detective of the crimes that you know, the two detectives coming together from opposite sides of this idea of detectivedom, which is also a word. Yea, yeah, Well I watched it again and I was like, I'm sorry, but none of the female characters in this film have any agency tall at all. They're all kind of these sort of secondary, kind of submissive like kind of wet blankets. Really that they're all like secretaries or prostitutes basically, or that are really or

dead or like really ugly and stupid. Well, the only one, the only female character with any agency is the real Lana Turner, who then throws a drink at Guy Pierce character because he doesn't think that she is whom she is. So what is I mean worth that saying that you only have any agency as a woman if you're a

famous white movie star. No, No, that also, I've kind of forgotten like the level of racism in it, Like I understand that they're sort of what they're saying, you know, because they the police, you know, the corrupt head of police. Hope not spoiling it for anyone, but it's quite an odd film. The chief, the chief of police or whatever like basically pins this murder on these three black suspects.

Who then are like manipulated horribly, and then it turns out that they're rapists anyway, so they have also done something bad. They are actually terrible people. And then and then their shot kind of in an accidental shootout, but also that was sort of always the plan anyway. And then there's the only other people of color are a group of Mexican people who get beaten up at the

beginning of the film. But then the only sort of consequence of that is that it gets photographed and then puts on the front put on the front page of the newspaper, being like, oh my god, the lapd are

really bad. Not anything to do with these people. And I was just like, I know that it's sort of showing this as a period piece, you know, it's kind of going, look, this is the kind of thing that happened in the forties, but you know, going back to what we're talking about before about rutbal station and stuff, it's like, this shit still happens, And was actually just enraging to watch it happens so blatantly in front of my eyes, And also was like, you couldn't make this

film now, thankfully, you know. I do think the sort of film industry is changing for the better. I was still what a long way to go, but I think it is changing, And I thought I kind of was like, I feel like it's sort of a period piece of the nineties making a period piece, like it's sort of that's interesting, you know what I mean. I was kind of sitting there going this is made me going, hey, this is nineteen ninety seventh idea of this. Yeah, if we looked at it from you know, twenty twenty one,

I think about what you were. But if we looked at it from now, we would be like, hold on, we need to make a different We need to make it maybe a different film, but all we need to the way we're framing this narrative needs to be very, very different and far less flippant to all of these. Essentially, another brilliant answer I'm going to give do you know what? I'm going to give you forty for that answer? Hello? Okay, yeah, quite well, you do you do phenomenally. Well, that's really interesting.

That about the flippancy. I think that's a really good word for it, and they're really good. That's a good thing for anyone making something to keep in mind that work that's great because you're right about period stuff. It's all well and good saying yes, but it was like that then it's still how you're your friend. Yeah, what you're doing to show it still like you're still kind of glorifying that level of Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're entirely I mean, you're still showing it. You can't just can't

put a lens on it. You have to, you have to come from something. You're you're still the storyteller, You're still I always think that's interesting when you watch stuff, it's like you can tell everything about the person who is telling the story. Yeah, you know what the story is, and yeah, totally, there's not much. There's a few things I've watched in my life from like the person that made this is fucking horrible. Yeah I can. I can tell like their soul is bad. And even if the

film was about a nice thing, I'm like, you're bad. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's interesting, Yeah, I totally know what you're talking about. What's the film that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but the experience you had around seeing the film always makes it special to you. Okay, so I will say toy story. Okay, because I went to see it, I think it must have been the first one this

I'm pretty sure it was the first one. I went to see it with my best friend at the time and her parents and her little sister, and we were like twelve. I think I'm probably aiding myself there, but I mean, everyone has the Internet, so yeah, we all know you're a dancer. Everyone knows I'm a dancer, do you know what I mean? So we were we were like, oh, we want to see at the front, and her parents will We don't really want to sit at the front.

You go sit at the front. So we were quite excited because it felt like we were in the cinema by ourselves. Maybe we weren't twelve, who we were ten, because it feels like quite a basic thing to have happened at the age of twelve. But anyway, aside from that, well, so we were there sitting at the front, and I was on the left left hand side, not very good at my right and left. We could have just got away with that because you can't even see me. Yeah,

I did check on the visuals. She did actually left hand I did it. Yeah, I did this one. I was on the left, so nearest to this other group of like ten year old boys, and halfway through our way through the film, the one who was sitting next to me was like, are you enjoying the film? And I was like, I'm usually like, don't talk to me anything. Well, what happened? Even then? I was like this is sacred. I loved this about you. And I was like so, I was like, what is this happening here? And he

was like, are you scared? Do you want to hold my hand? And I was like, oh my god, my hand? Hang on? How old is this point? He's like ten as well, like we were. We were both young, Like it wasn't a weird creepy man doing and you you know you don't know him. I didn't know him right, but we were sitting next to each other in the cinema because he was at the one end of his group and I was one end at the other end of mine. Love it, love it? Are you scared you

want to? Yeah? And I was like, well, hey, it's toy story, so not really Also maybe not Hope's focused, do you know what I mean? If it won't come back to me at Hope's focused? And then yeah, probably, but I was like, it was quite I think that was sort of the first like sort of approach that I'd ever had from a stranger. Um, So I was like, yeah, okay. So then just like sat and help his boy's hand in the cinema for like a long time, like a lot the rest of the film, a little sweaty, tiny,

little sweaty hands. But it was just quite sweet. And then afterwards after the film he got up and he said, okay, thanks, hoping not scared anymore by And I was like, actually, that was a cute. It was a cute little scenario, you know. I was the lights came on. I was like, oh, you want to do But then just sort of just kind of went away, which is really nice. It's kind of the best way that it could have been. I know, what sweek guy? What was week guymore? It's like that's nice.

I mean, I wasn't scared in the first place, but hey, you're not scared anymore. I'm going to follow you home, okay anymore because you're about to be. But yeah, it was that was very sweet. So I mean, I don't know a bit like me that's really really really love me. It's a nice six Pierce, it's a sixty point. Hello, god, this is a very high school episode. Yeah, thank you, that's gonna be Previous guests listening to this furious, absolutely

kicking themselves. What's the film that you must relate to? Okay, this is quite a hard one. Actually I found this quite hard. I don't really think I've seen myself represented very much on film, especially as a young teenager. Definitely didn't really see my own experience reflected back at me. I would say a film that I saw really recently that I absolutely loved, that really really I went that was my school was Rocks. Oh fucking hell, that's a

great film. That like such a good film. But like at the beginning when they're coming in and the teachers are like, sorry, no, what are those you know you need to know you can't say those doings out? Why are you wearing a d what those trainers? Take your

sunglasses off? I was like, that was my school. I went to like a state school, state girls school in South London, Burntwood, and that was us every day, like rolling in with earrings on, being like oh no, like oh you know the head of the ears coming, take your earrings. I've perfected, like taking out hooked earrings with one hand each so they I and I was literally like, I think that was Had I seen that at the time, I would have been like, that's amazing. Oh my god,

that is like really representative of my experience. But even like some of the bits, like you know, when they're having a fight in the like the technol the food tech room or something, isn't it Like yeah, And I was like, this is so great. Um, I mean, I think testimony to the writer to ease my coco and like to all the young female actresses, you are they're phenomenal, but again, very real. It was very like that was probably, yeah,

probably the film that I would say. I mean, I don't I don't relate to it now actively, but definitely I was like, fourteen year old me feels very seen and thank you for that. That's great. That's really great. It's a good film. Great, it feels it feels completely real. It feels so real. It was like it could be like a documentary. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's so hard to do that as well. Yeah, it's really really good. Well, Mackie, what's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Oh? My god,

I don't know. It's quite a hard one. It's quite hard because again one of my answers was what I shouldn't was the top of it's the top of the bandlist, so I probably shouldn't say it. Oh you can say listen if you're if you if it's if it's by the way, for anyone who maybe needs this podcast. When she says the bandlist, it's just a load of films that come up a lot. So I've said, tried to avoid this. If you can't films that I think should

be bad. Oh, yeah, I didn't even think that it would. Yeah, no, it's a great films that everyone loves would come up a lot. If you if your true answer is then you can say it. Yeah, I'm sorry. Robin Hood the sex the Sexy Fox, what that is? Like, I'm laughing because it's so true. Of course it's inappropriate, but it's so good. It's so sexy. He's bit man, he's fit. It's funny. Like I was like, how do I get

is like that? How do I like put like tea towels and shit on my head and be like, yeah, stunning, she's stunning, wild and also great. She's a great she's a strong woman. Yeah, we like that. Yeah. Yeah, but like when they're getting married that bit in the forest, it's like I was like, hello, hello, Yes, I mean yeah, I would definitely a hundred percent guys better both of you and animated. Yeah, yes, held my hand. I'm scared. Yeah. Yeah, maybe don't hold my hand. Yeah, don't, don't, don't, don't

touch me, don't take my hand. I'm so sorry. Well, there's a subcategory to this question, you know, okay, which God knows where this is going to take us? Traveling bone is worrying. Why don't a film you found a rousing you weren't sure you should, but you've opened with Robin Hood, so I don't know where we go. Yeah, I mean I think that was probably the answer to the other question. But also I mean probably so slightly inappropriate.

Um scarface, scarface, abutino scarface. Yeah, which which specific part in that is so fucking hot, like so hot, it's it's quite mad. And I mean I feel like the whole film I shouldn't have found arousing because of the content. And I mean I don't agree with it as a as a concept, you know, kinds and drugs and violence, but Michell five is fucking sexy's bucking that. Michelle Fiber is the most beautiful woman that's ever been put on screen. I mean probably, yeah, Yeah, I don't know what I

do at that dress. Man, It's like, yep, the dress, it's the face. The woman can do no wrong. She's also an insanely brilliant actor. She is brilliant. What a talent, What a talent, Michelle, She's stunning, stunning. Yes, great answers around there four thousand points. I'm doing doing all right? You get minor point because I feel like I might. You can. We'll see where we go this. This is often one where people lose points. Objectively, this isn't your favorite.

It's objectively the greatest film of all time. Objectively, Yeah, objectively is hard, isn't it? M Because it's hard. I think the whole purpose of films are to make you not feel objective. Yeah, and yet here we are, and yet I'm just stalling a little bit. I've got two very very very different answers. Okay, I'll pick one. Okay, I mean, firstly, I do think singing in the Rain

is magnificent. Is that where I've fallen down? That is where for the probably maybe the first or second time in the history of this podcast, you have got the answer one correct. Yes, fucking l Pale Mackey. It is just brilliant, I isn't it. It's just so it's objectively the greatest film of all time? Oh, I think it objectively? Is that is? People? It is objectively the greatest film of all time. People keep coming on here and saying The Godfather, and they are incorrect. The answer is singing

in I think singing the Rains a lot better. It's just quite magical, isn't it. I mean, I think just all of the old Hollywood stuff, like the sort of Hollywood schooling that they go through with that him and his mate when they learned, like the elocution and all of that. And what's her name the one that Reynolds sings for, Oh she is? That is a brilliant bit of character acting. Funny, fucking hilarious. She's so jokes. Also that voice where that voice come from, It's like that,

it's funny, it's so jokes. And like the you know, some of the dance sequences are like so impressive. Yeah, and you're a dancer, you would know, like really impressive. The incideries similar level, you know. So, I mean, what's a film perfect? Lord standing? What was going to be your alternative? Because you don't need it. I don't need it, so I'm not going to have to hear it. I was going to say good, but that is just personal.

Oh god. I mean, if it's gonna not be Singing the Rain, it's gonna be good Fellas, right fucking It's just brilliants. I mean, Mackie smashing this out of the park and into the next room. Maybe we ain't finished yet though, genuinely unbelievable, unbelievable stuff. What's the film that you could or have? What's the most over and over again? Clueless? Lovely? Yeah, I mean I could probably like it word for word. I won't because it be here for a long time,

but yeah, yeah, a long episode. But yeah, I just loved it. I think just that kind of I that sort of teenage like ridiculousness of them, But it was it was so far away from my own experience and also would they, like, you know, a good sort of four or five years older than me. So this is another film that I used to watch with my mum

doing my hair. I just loved it. And like the soundtracks brilliant and like it's even hilarious going back to him watching it now because you look around and like you're like there's so many like you know the bit where she's like what is it? How? What is what? Guys? How do guys dressed today? Like what is this ship? And I'm looking around like like you know the park

obviously where I live, And I'm like, you're not. Look, you've literally been cut and pasted from Clueless from that scene includes with your and your greasy hair and your backwards cap and you're like punk band T shirt, Like it's so exactly the same, which I find absolutely hilarious. Yeah, I mean, it's just so jokes, isn't it. It's so like frivolous, but also does make you feel quite warm, and it's ever so good. It is. It's ever so good. It's a winner on the other end of the scale. Now,

I don't like to be negative. I don't think you do either, So let's keep it brief. What's the worst film you ever saw? Okay, Um, it's a bit out there, and I think my girlfriend might hate people saying this, but Lord of the Rings of the Final One, it ends about five times. It ends many more times than five. Did you know why what was so long? I watched it in a cinema. People were like, people are like, leave, you think that it's done, and you're like, oh my god,

and now they're back in the shire. Oh come on, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The whole trilogy in itself is quite long, but at least that one, you know, the other two have some kind of adventure. This one it's just a tiny bit adventure. And then they're just going home. Yeah, but they various sets of people need to hug in and jump on beds, well loads apparently every single I mean, I struggle with the basic now tive of Lord of the Rings in terms of get a ring in a thing?

Why does it take so long? I mean, exactly, get over there, get the ring in the thing, get the ring in the thing. The stakes ring needs to get in the thing. How long is it going to take They've dumbed it up in it twelve fucking hours, Yes, that's long. And also yeah, the last one, don't done it, and then another hour of hugging. They've done it, the film done, finish the film. But some people like my, my good friend Tim, He's like, I want to see

more of them, like cooking meals together. Oh, you know, it's just people do love it. But I people like watching watching elves cook together or something. Apparently so, and good luck to them, apparently so. And I'm sure and they I'm sure they loved it. But it's just my my personal opinion. Yes, that's pretty interesting. You picked the one. Yeah, so you love one and two you bang into. I didn't say that. No, Okay, what's the film that made you laugh the most? Okay, this is quite a weird

one as well, but a film called about last Night. Yes, Kevin Hart and Regina Hall. They're so funny in it. I feel like the way that they just bounce off each other and they're just you know, obviously playing these two characters who kind of surpise each other but then end up sucking quite a lot and then end up but it's just they're just hilarious. They are hilarious. Um, I mean, I think I think Regina Hall phenomenal anyway, but yeah, she's so funny. She's so funny and underrated

and she's just they're just great. Their their chemistry is just brilliant. I mean me and my best friend went through a phase of watching that like so much. I'm just like, on a hungover Sunday would just be like, scare pizza and watch about last night, and it would always make us laugh. I can't vouch for the state of my brain after, however, many glasses of wine I had had the night before. But it was funny. Just love it. Crack me up. I'm giving you twenty twenty points.

So way, Okay, I cannot tell you how brilliant you've been. I can't tell you because it would be rude to the other guests. I actually can't tell you. I can't tell I mean legally, I mean for the for the health of other people listening. I can't tell you how brilliant you've been. But let's just say totting up the scores here, you've got four. It was an eighty. There there was a night four. You're looking at you're looking at we're in what we're looking at? You five thousand,

one hundred points? What hello? Wis sick? Which is the highest school we've ever had. Ually. However, however, Pearl, when you were out for dinner with your mum, yeah, and you said, I lovester can't be the bad one. It's not all shellfish. And your mum very specifically said, I promise you you're allergic to all shellfish, and you said no, but I like lobster. I can't. I remember enjoying lobster. And it's just a lobster, just one loves I'm only

gonna have one lovester. Mom, don't be such a square. And your Mum's like, honestly, pearl, the history, just trust me on this one. You can't have lobster. And you went, fuck you, mum, You're not the boss of me, and you ordered lovester, and your mom shook her head. She said, pearl, pearl, pearl. She said that under breath a lot. And you started eating that lobster, and your your body simultaneously retracted and extended, and you very quickly, very slowly, Lee turned into the

wrinkled bullsack emoji that some called an octopus. And you sat there in front of your mum like this fucking giant emoji, both both wrinkled and huge. And your mom, through her tears because she does love you, and she's sad you're dead. The one bit of joy she had she went I fucking told you so. And the other diners looked over it, and someone went and and and

I was walking past. I was working, and then someone sort of came over to your mum and said, I've seen your daughter in the in the show, and your mom went right, and then they just walked obviously liked it, I say. And then and then I I was passing with a coffin, you know what I'm like wondering about, and I was like, holy shit, I got to your moment ago. I actually I'm a big fan of pearlmak In. It's a shame to see her as a giant wrinkled

bulls octopus. EMG. Now, but I've got a coffin with me, so let me take care of this for you, and she goes, thank you, honestly. The thing is but I told her and she wouldn't listen. She's always been like that. She's very rude. You know. I used to plat her hair and now she plaits herround hair and now the dead and I went, yeah, well this is that's kids

for you in it. And I takes the knife that these folk thing that you used for the loves puncture you to try and get some of the side down, get some knives, something to chop you up with, because someone's having over there. So I've got the state knife from chopping into you. It's a lot of it. I mean, it's essentially like whale blubber at this point, because because the thing you've turned into is just like half seafood. Anyway, I folded you in and folded you up, put you

in this coffin. The thing is, there's so much more of you than there should be. It's absolutely jammed in there. There was really only enough room in this coffin for me to slide one DVD into the side with you, for you to take to the other side. On the other side, it's movie night every night, one night, it's your movie night. What film will you take to show everywhere? Oh? Go on, It's gonna have to be clueless, Yeah, clueless. They're gonna love it. That means I get to like

act out the whole film. You're going to stand in front of the actor out in front of the screen. They're gonna love it. They're gonna be there years. This is five one zero zero, joy, Thank you so much. I haven't I have loved this. Would you like to tell anyone to look out for anything, watch something, listen to something. The Long Haul is coming at some point. The Long Call, even the Long cal even better, much better. Yeah, but don't watch the Long Haul, but do watch the

Long Call. I think it should be out and about in the autumn. Very nice. I really appreciate you, appreciate you. Thank you for your time for doing this and for phenomenal answers. Have a wonderful death and good day to you. Thank you, sir. So. That was episode one hundred and fifty three. Head over to patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty minutes of chat, secrets and video with Pearl. Go to Apple Podcasts give us a five star rating, but don't write about the podcast.

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