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Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein. I am a comedian, an actor, a writer, a director, a chestnut roasting on an open fire, and I love films. As John F. Kennedy once said, if not us, who, if not now, when? And if not The Godfather, then what is the greatest film of all time? Objectively? Man? Even jfk thinks it's The Godfather.

I've bought my own clipboard for people listening at home. Brett, how's a clipboard, and he's the host, so that's normal. A bit weird that the guest has brought a clipboard, even weirder that I brought it from home just to look really official.

You had clipboard envy. Now, Nis, thank you so much for being here. What a treat before start right? You might not know when when I record these, I usually record them privately in my house or whatever, and I will say to the guest, you know, I don't want to make you look like a prick, like if you say something you regret, we'll just say we'll cut it. And if I asked you anything to you personally, just say can we cut it? And we'll cut it.

But or as sometimes happens, we do the podcast, I think it's absolutely fine, and then you and I spend two and a half years getting weird tweets from people going would the allan technically wasn't her step father?

That is true? That is true, And.

You have to think to yourself, if you're reaching for the line he technically wasn't her stepfather, you've already lost the argument.

So because we have witnesses tonight, I guess we need a safe word. So if I say anything that makes you uncomfortable, just say bread rolls, thank you. So it's a big one tonight and it exciting you and me. Films of the Decade. Now the rule This is part three, isn't it. This is part three? You've come back to life. Last year we did Films of the Year, but this year we're doing films of a decade. Now, some of

So has anyone seen cats? So whatever we say this, Sorry, there's one person who has seen cats and she currently has her head in her hands, so I mean.

She has been that way since she saw it.

She's now doing a motion where she's sort of cutting her own throat, which I mean is one of the worst reviews of anything.

So this is Films of the Decade up to December nineteenth.

Yeah, so we haven't seen little women.

No, little women, we haven't seen we haven't seen cats. So oh shit, Oh.

This what is it? Bra Brett? Whatever this news is, it's really taking its toll on you.

I've forgotten to tell you something. It's mental. I didn't tell you this, Given everything we've been through, you to life everything, I just say it, you've died again again. Listen.

The thing is, I know that it seems weird that I keep coming back to life, but ultimately I was raised a Hindu and this.

Is just you are the only guests I could do this.

Wee yeah, this is just reincarnation. We have like five hundred gods, some of them are blue. It's like X men, and you can keep coming back.

To life the absolute dream.

How did you die this week?

This time?

I think I think last time I died it was because I said I was I got run over because I was listening to a podcast, most likely myself on this podcast. I think I think this time, somebody chucks a bread roll at me, but aims it a bit more accurately than the without wishing to editorialize, fucking idiot through at me last time, who managed to miss me from very close range. Yeah, this time somebody throws a bread roll at me, but it gets me in the eye and I trip backwards and fall off the stage.

And break my neck.

And the problem is there is a sort of palpable air of tragedy about it. Because I'm a life that's been claimed really by the culture war, but also it's very funny.

Yeah, and so everyone it's one of those feudals where everyone kind of has to.

Be like, ah, it's tragic, but at the end of the day, he got hit by bread and tripped to death.

It is tragic, but let's watch it again.

I can't believe my death went viral.

Yeah, so shall we start?

Yeah, all right, so expert hosting.

This is the sort of authority that can only come with a clipboard.

We've had a clipboard. I'm nothing this humor. Brett Goldstein, What is the first film you saw? January first, twenty ten.

The thing is, There've definitely been years this decade where I've either seen something that came out, I've seen something on New Year's Day or the second of January, or I've seen something that's released on the second of January, but I've gone if I'm like, if you're in London over Christmas, there's very often like previews because they're just like, well, I'll put anything on. There's literally no one here, so

I think that's my answer. I think we went together.

Great poster, really not great for the post listeners, but good film. It's quite an extraordinary movie, and it's sort of about a French kid who has had a series of offenses as a young person, and now he's turned eighteen and he's committed another crime and so he can be properly tried and put in jail and he ends up going to jail and listen as a subgenre of movie, I absolutely love a long film that documents the rise of someone through a criminal organization.

Oh yeah, oh yes, please, the longer the better.

The Irishman I was erect for the last half of that film.

I couldn't believe it.

The Irishman is basically like and it's weird that they see gied him to look like a baby at the beginning. That's a deleted scene that somebody might not have seen. But it's a subj hoor of film. I really really love and the movie is great. It's a really really good film.

It's got really a disturbing scene rest to put a razor in his mouth.

I mean, it's one of the most horrible scenes and like, and he has to set up to basically suck a dude off and then ends up stabbing him in the throat and then he keeps on being I don't want to give too much away because they didn't seem to be the universal uptake for who has not seen a Prophet.

Oh wow, Oh I thought that was a much more.

It's worry guys, we'll get to the events Jesus Scorsese would be turning in Jimmy Hoffer's grave.

I know what you're thinking, BFI, that'll be But no, not at all.

It's a really exceptional film by Jack Odyard, who's also a French director who let me tell you, where's some superb hat and it's He made a really really great movie called The Beat that My Heart Skipped, which I think it was before a Prophet. Then he made a film called Rust and Bone, which if you go with Rust and Bone, if you are prepared to accept that the crux of this movie is a woman's legs get eaten by a whale, if you are prepared to accept that It is a very stark and brilliant and really

And it plays a very subtle love scene to Fireworks by Katie Perry. Yah, that's right, Yeah it does.

I know it sounds like Brett.

I know it sounds like Brett and I have made up a film hastily on the spot.

Yeah.

It is a really and he has to sort of navigate the kind of racial dynamics of the prison, and there's the French gangsters and the Corsican gangsters, and the movie happens across a couple of different languages. And it's an extraordinary film about how someone can go into jail being quite a bad person but absolutely redeemable and come out of it a proper villain. And it's a really interesting character study of how the sort of corruption of an innocent.

It's also my answer for sexiest film.

Did you like it?

I love it. I think it's fucking brilliant and it's so tense. I love a film that's really tense. Yeah, but long, how can I be this tense for so long and at the end you're like, I can't stand up. I've been so tense.

Yeah, And the thing is it does wratchet up, I think, and also because it's a well made, well acted film, regardless of how bad this guy's behavior starts to turn as he kind of rises through the ranks of the prison criminal organization, you identify with him more and more

It's really great.

Sort of spoiled the end, but it's really good. It's like The Wire but slightly quicker.

Yeah, yea, yeah, that's a perfect The Wire.

Yeah, nis Kuma, what was the scariest film you saw this decade?

So when I did this podcast, the normal episode of it, yeah, I gave I think a very sort of wry answer, but I do think there is a grain of truth in it. And the first one I said was inside Lewy and Davis, and the reason I said it was the scariest film is because if you're in, if you're in any way a performer, and you watch Inside Lewin Davis, you are essentially watching your parents' worst case scenario of how your life could have turned out.

And also I bear a passing resemblance.

And I do mean passing, really, I do mean passing on the Millennium falcon at light speed to Isaac, like I do look a bit like and I don't wish to toot my own horn here, but a fire damaged Oscar isaon like a dentid Isaac. That's sort of my vibe. And so and also I love the music of Bob Dylan, and it's one of my favorite films of all time. And I did say that that was the thing that But you know, I don't want to be too cute with some of these answers.

This is really the first not being so cute. I can't help it, guys, I'm light speed Isaac.

But this is the first decade I've really properly got into watching horror films, you know me. You know, I didn't really used to like them because I get too scared. Easily scared, Yeah, very easily scared. But this is the first decade I've probably started watching horror horror movies, and I've enjoyed, like some of the trashier Bloomhouse offerings. I've had a great time watching Happy Death Day to You, which is one of the most willfully stupid films, and

Full stop.

If the last ten years, or indeed the entire span of human history has taught us nothing, it's that when large groups of white people get together and it's only white people and they all wear robes, nothing good happens.

I think they were fine people on both sides. Come on this.

I love Donald Trump's review of Midsummer. Guys.

They built that big yellow pyramid, didn't they. That was a feat of construction Midsummer. I had to watch chunks of it through my sweater because I was genuinely hereditary. I think I found I found Hereditary almost sort of more upsetting, because hereditary feels like a more I don't know this Hereditary so much about.

The grief of losing people.

Also, I will say this for Hereditary, one of the great misdirects of any trailer that I've ever seen. The trailer makes it look like you were watching a film about the grief of one character, and it abs absolutely missells who that character is. And the first time I saw it in my I saw it on I want to say, DVD whatever, the DVD that's in the internet, whatever that's called. I saw it on a DVD inside the Internet.

Whatever it is.

Who says I can't relate to Bloomers the DVD inside the Internet. I watched it on one of them, and somehow, even though lots of people, including you, had seen the film and talk to me about it at quite length, you somehow kept the secret of the movie. And it is absolutely incredible when you realize what you're watching now that or all of that being said Midsummer I had to stop, like, I had to physically look away. It made me physically unwell. There is a bit where people,

I mean I sort of always say go for it, but then I don't want to ruin anyone's Christmas. So if you go, you just got to put your hand up. I really want to see that film, please don't. Then what go it?

Okay?

The whole time, something has gone awry in this movie and Ariasta's fucking life. During Hereditary, I actually shouted, what is wrong with this bloke? Something is wrong with this bloke? He not well, he needs to see a therapist. This shit is disgusting. And there is a bit in Midsommer where from the beginning the image of the way the parents are killed. I was watching that being like, great, well that's with me until I die.

Right, that's burned into my retinas.

Oh, I'm so excited to have that, to see that flash before my eyes before I meet my maker, only to be reincarnated so I can do Brett's podcast again.

So already it's the most horrible thing I've ever seen.

Then there is a scene where the first time you realize things are really fucking weird, when these two old people essentially commit Harry Keery and they jump. The way they do it is not like pop a little pill in your mouth, but do you know the way they do it is they jump off a massive cliff onto a sharp rock.

Now the way you see it, yeah, face first.

Now, the way that you see it is that you see them take the step and fall, and at every point you're going.

Cut away, cut away, cut away, cut away, cut away, cut away, He's going to cut away.

Then they go face first into the rock and it zooms in.

And they bounce. They it is and some blood comes out as they bounce. And then you think, well, I won't have to see the damage. Yes you will, Yes, you very much. Feel because Ari Asta is not well, fuck like, it's fucking horrible. So he consistently says it's his breakup film. I'm like, if i'm his e and I watched that, I'm like, I'm so sorry whatever I did, Please don't hurt you.

Talk to me about Midsummer and Hereditary as someone who I would say has a much better sense of the history of horror than I do.

What's your feeling about it?

Because some people I know who really love horror don't love these films as much, or certainly didn't like Hereditary as much.

I think he's he's amazing. Yeah, I think it's because he's got the reason I find it, it's because he's emotional with him the same thing that happens in the Hereditary and in Midsommer. The way he films people being upset is really upsetting, and so then you're just in it. You just care too much. So when people are getting their faces spike, it's like horrible because you've you've you've bloody invested. Now yeah yeah, in Happy Deaf Day to you head's spashed it, it's like all good fun.

But in this this shot in Hereditary, when she's in the group therapy, and the camera sort of does this thing where it manages to sort of, I don't you know, he must be on a crane or something, but it's indoors and it sort of dives from over the top of the rest of the group, and you sort of you sort of slowly plunge towards like being on a

Ah, that was terrible, Muriel Murial.

That was fucking horrible Muriel Murial making just fucking christ Muriel. But also there are points where it almost becomes in midsummer when they're having sex and those old ladies are pushing his butt into the woman.

That is also funny, Like it's funny, it was weird.

It's almost like it's pitched at a tone of such like operatic hysteria that it rides this really odd line between being genuinely viscerally upsetting and also a bit funny.

There's also they take acid and when she's not happy, that stressed me out so fucking They arrive in this field and her boyfriend, who she's not having a great time with, she's not happy, she's in grief, she's upset. And then everyone goes, should we do some acid? And I'm like, definitely not. And then everyone's like yeah, and she's like, oh, I feel a bit dark. Actually probably not a good idea for me, and they go oh. And then she's like oh okay, and I'm like, ah,

You can't bread roll yourself.

And someone made me watch Pie whilst on acid. I mean basically twelve hours later, I was like, oh, well, I'm mad now for I guess this is me. I now live here in Mad. I must call my mother and try to explain where I am. I mean, I was in my room, but I must explain that I now I live in Mad because of pay such a stressful film.

Why would you?

I mean, I've never done acid because I am very frightened of all drug But even I know that that is not a good combination of narcotic and activity.

I try.

That's the title of your That's the title of your new podcast. We do really ill advised things. It's Brett gold seem the discount bungee jumping.

Yeah, too easy. My scariest film of the decade is the film Wiena. Have you seen Wiener? Wiena is a documentary about a New York senator who is running for mayor. Now it's all true. He genuinely could win mayor. He is good, He is good for the world. He is a good senator. The problem is he can't stop sending pictures of his dick to people. His human name is Wiener and he has been. At the beginning of the film, there's been a scandal. He's sent pictures of his knob

Yeah, I actually I hate to jump in here, Brett.

What have you?

What have you got to share with the group?

What if? Like what I I want to say to him? I want to say to him if this is your thing, and I don't judge everyone as their thing, text your wife, yeah, text your wife. Your dick. It's the same dick as well. I don't know why you think this is new information that you're sending out. It's the same dick. The dick has been on the news. Yeah, and he could win, but he just it's like, do save the world or text my dick? And it's so close for him now. Just higher, Brett, this frightens you.

Just to be clear, and I feel like I'm speaking as your legal representation here, but just to be clear, the reason you are frightened of this film is you feel.

Event through real events.

You see the dramatization of the dialogue between a man and his penis.

Can you do well?

Aren't we all Weiena.

I've got to be honest with you.

I don't think we're all we I don't think this ends with like hashtags just we weena.

The horror is his wife as well, because she stands by him. She goes on that he's a good man, and I love him, and at the end of the day, he just loves he loves it. And the thing, I don't care. I have never met a human being. And I will throw this to the audience. Has a woman in this room ever enjoyed receiving a picture of someone's dick? No, and yet it keeps happening.

Yeah, I don't. I just don't know. I just don't. I understand that there are like solicited pictures that have passed between consenting adults, and that's but that's a different thing. But is there a story out there where you're like, hey, how did you meet your husband? And you're like, he just sent me a picture of his dick on the Internet?

Now, I have, for the record, not yet ever sent a picture of my dick out. I don't understand men who think I send a dick when the clear consensus is no one wants it, even if you're going to be met.

But the time and then there's like this, there's so many layers to this story. Because in the summer, I first became aware of this because I was watching the Daily Show that was the summer. John Stewart went away to make the film, and he was covered by John Oliver, the poor Man's nish Kumar, and.

By no one.

And he had this whole thing because one of the pseudonym that Weena used, because I mean, when your name is already essentially Richard Dick, he decided to create am.

The pseudonym he chose was Carlos Danger. But the thing is this.

Movie has very very serious repercussions for it, which sort of happened after the film ends. Like you think the film is scary, the consequences of the film were arguably even more scary because his wife is a woman called Humer Abadin, who was Hillary Clinton's number two women.

Like, the two of them were married.

There's a bit in the film where they show a photo of their wedding and the person officiating it was Bill Clinton. You're like, well, you'd know about a fucking chance. But yeah, but the humor baid. His computer was seased because Weena sent one of the pictures and there was a picture and it was I think he was sent to a girl who was underage, And certainly there was another there was certainly a problem where he sent a picture while he was holding his child's son.

Oh keep it.

So basically they seized his computer.

They seized Humor Abaiden's computer, and on that computer were correspondences with Hillary Clinton that resulted in the FBI reopening in the investigation into Hillary Clinton. In the lead up to the twenty sixteen presidential election, the final round of FBI investigations started because of investigations that began into Humor Abaidens computer because of Anthony Wiener's dick.

That, my friend, is why it is a fucking horror film.

So I commend you on your choice.

Rat bloody hell. That's a good turn, right. What is the film that made you cry the most? Dist Well, do you want to answer this one first? Very okay?

Well, you and I both criers.

Yeah, we're pathetic.

No, No, I think that's that's not necessarily fair to say you and I men incapable of expressing our emotions and so we have to do it through the conduit of cinema.

Yeah, and more. The truth is when I say I'm pathetic and cry never in front of anything. So what I do is take myself to the cinema on my own at a time, I think not many people will be there, sit at the back and cry. Now the film that fucked me up? Yeah, yeah, I was saving mister Banks. I do I know this about you, Brett. This was a real hard one for you.

What was it? What was it about? I've seen say, miss Bads. I thought I understand it was. It had some weight to it, and I did enjoy it. I thought, tomms will great. What was it about it?

Any any story with a dad? Forget it. I'm done. Add to that Mary Poppins, which the original Mary Poppins is about the dad. The story of the making of the film about the dad. There's another Dad. That's double Dad's, that's Dad squared, this is Dad, this is Dad inception the Easter Eggs of Dad's all the way for it. Plus Tom Hanks, who we all wish was our dad. That's that's a that's a dad three. I don't know what three square three. That is a threes up dad film.

I've called you twice in the past. This is actually in the last couple of years. I've called you twice. Three times actually, but twice immediately after I've walked out of films because I needed to talk to you about how much I cried.

It was the Florida Project and Roma.

I had to call you after the Florida Project, at least with Roma. When I saw Roma, everybody in the cinema was distraught, and so it was like it really did feel like it was fine to walk out the Florida Project. I went to see it with no offense. A pack of fucking animals who at the end stood up and went, yeah, that was fine.

Fine. What happened that in that movie was not It was not okay what happened it was horrible.

We went for a walk together, didn't we?

Yeah, we really did.

When you called, I was like project, I was in a meeting. Sorry, guys, this is just seeing the Florida Project. I walked acrossland, I found him. We held each other. It's such a weird relationship. I did it with if Beale Street could talk as well. But that at least that was like I'd seen that in the Afternoon Roma and.

The Florida Project.

I walked out and phoned Brett because I was in such a bad way.

And then we saw Marriage Story together.

Now is the thing. We saw a marriage story together, Brave boys, brave boys, because we were next to each other and it ended. And what Nis said to me was, let's never let our partners see that out and we're going to pretend it doesn't exist. It's on Netflix, and so I have changed the password and no one needs to know. And whenever people say marriage story, I go, yes, tell us your marriage story and hope it covers it.

Yeah, marriage story is if you're It's not great when a film throws all of your negative qualities into one character. You can't even set them by saying, well, at least I look like Adam Driver. The only thing that I've got in common with Adam Driver is we both have what can politely be deemed interesting schnazzes. A couple of absolute odd schnazzes between me and and the Drivemeister. But apart from that very little common ground, what's your film?

Yeah, bing Bong, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

When bing Bong goes off the edge, that's one of the worst things I've ever seen.

Toy Story three, when they going.

To bing Bong going off the edge is worse than the two people landing face first. It is hundred percent more traumatic.

It really is, because at the end you're like, oh, well they were part of a weird cult.

What big big Bonk do.

Big bust, Big Pug was trying to big Pong did it to save Riley?

Yeah?

Anyway, Amazingly, none of those are the film the film that I think made me cry at the time and has made me cry every single time I've watched it is Arrival. I think the last five minutes of Arrival should like there should be a bit where the film stops and they go are you sure you want to see the rest of it? Are you one hundred percent sure that you want to see the rest of this?

Te you know that Brett is free to talk in five minutes time.

I the end of Arrival and people who have children.

Just talking to a friend of mine who has kids, and I was like, I don't know how you got through the end of a arm and she was like, I didn't.

I did a nervous break down.

And It's one of the weird things is that I have noticed there was a time when I was I'm a standup comedians. I spend a lot of time on tour in hotel rooms with the internet and what you.

Do where you can watch TV.

Yeah, famously it's like Blockbuster, but it's in the air. I've noticed a weird habit where I get drunk and watch the end of Arrival.

Wow, like I'm masturbating my emotions.

Wow, it is one of those Listen, I am going to be in therapy from January. Okay, is it is a really weird thing the end of that. I think that whole film is absolutely perfect. I think the last five minutes are who's seen arrival?

Just by show of hands? Who keep your hands in the air.

If you saw the end coming, you knew what the essential twist was gonna be, right okay, because I that would have really helped me the fuck out because I didn't see that coming, and the force of the ending of that hit me like a fucking train. And when you realize what's there's a point where it essentially the line when she says, but who is that girl?

From then on like I was like, oh, oh God, oh Christ.

And the sort of choice that Amy Adams's character Amy Adams grays out for of all time, I won't hear anything. I don't even want to hear a counter argument to that. You can all go fuck yourself the last But the way the choice that she makes at the end of that movie is the most unbelievably human thing I think I've ever seen in a movie, Like the choice that she makes to know how things are going to play out and still make the decision that she makes.

Would you do it?

I honestly don't know. I honestly don't know, it's how I don't even know how you wrap your mind around the enormity of that idea that if you knew that you were going to have a child and that they were going to be sick and they were going to suffer, do you still make the choice to have Like, I mean, it's I have to stop talking about it because otherwise I don't want to cry in front of these people.

They've paid.

Maybe it's time, Maybe it's time. This January is still far away.

But I mean, the whole film is.

I rewatched it because we were talking about this, and there's there's stuff in Arrival, the way that it handles the science fiction element of it. There's a one line in it that is unreal where you get it's one exchange and you get the backstory of two characters immediately when Forest Switzku is a army general, comes in and sees Amy Adams and they've met before, and they explain how they've met before by him saying she's a linguistics expert.

He says, you made short work of that rebel dialect.

She says, you made short work of those rebels, And you're like, wow, I know every single thing about both of these characters and how they relate to each other and interact in one two line exchange and so like. Of course, a person with that level of sort of the course, a group of people making a film with that level of skill can sell you on Octopus aliens called Abbott and Costello and it somehow be the purest evocation of what it means to be a parent.

Fucking right, Yeah, clapp it, well, clap it. What is the film that you love but most people don't like, or, to put it a nicer way, the most underrated film.

The film that I have the most arguments with people about, is not the one.

I'll say.

The film that I have the most arguments with people about is Inherent Vice, which for some reason people seem to absolutely hate.

Who showing loads of people hate.

Does anyone who hear you hating her Advice? Yeah? People hating her and Vice?

You're very wrong.

I really love Spy.

I think that's an incredible movie, and I think that it's for me. It's like one of the great comedies the last twenty years. But the film that I will say is not necessarily one that's underrated, because in order for it to be underrated, it would have to be rated, right. I think this is a movie that people have forgotten exists. But in twenty ten Alex Garland adapted Kazooa Shaguru's novel Never Let Me Go, and it came out and sort

Worst two versions of those things.

It's got Andrew Garfield, Kiera Knightley, and Carrie Mulligan in education.

Yeah, an education.

It's directed by Mark Romineck, who's made lots of very celebrated music videos, and it's adapted by Alex Garland, who went on to make ex Macinet and Annihilation, both great movies. And it really is like the I think the reason it's struggled is because the poster makes it look fucking boring, Like if you look at the if you that movie, it's just two people sort of running on a pier and you think, fuck me. The other poster is just this like red nonsense with loads of squares of them

Yes, and then at the end they run down a peer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, And at the end they run down a peer, and with that supposed to mean something for some reason.

Oh Christ. But it's a completely brilliant film. Whatever you think it is.

It is not that the novel is really very sort of widely fated. People really love the novel. It is a science fiction film in the truest sense of the world. It's science fiction in the way that Arrival is science fiction. Like it's the purest distillation of what that means. But to say any more would be to spoil the film.

It's a really beautifully written and performed thing.

The tone of it is really nicely managed, and it's just a real shame because it's there's no way to explain what it is without Phantom Thread is another film that I think was made to look shit by the publicity materials. But I think it's really difficult to publicize a film without spoiling it, and this is a movie

What's yours?

Well?

I got two, but i'll do him quick. One is the Last Exorcist. Do you see that? Anyone see that? So horror film found footage thing about a geezer who does exorcisms, and he says, like, follow me. He's decided he's going to be good. He's sort of like, I've been tricking people. And he goes, come with me. I'm going to do a fake exorcism. You'll see how it works. And he takes this documentary crew and goes to see this girl who thinks she's possessed by the devil. He

And do you think the film got slightly compromised? Because it's a bold playing. If you make a horror film and say the Exorcist in the title also.

Well, I've made a film called super Bob the thing little right film, Oh thank you very much, but little fun fact you may not know The Last Exorcist is one of the biggest influences on super Bob. Yeah, because the structure of the Last exist is basically man says no to something like like, oh, I've done an exist but it's not real. He gets called back listen mate, it is real. He goes back. He says no, it's not real, and then he goes back and it's like, oh shit, got real. And in super Bob he has

It speaks to my lack of skill because I moderated one of the q and as with super Bob, and I didn't really get past that. Most of my questions were, you've made a film, your face.

Was massive, such a big old head as it is?

Is there a question at the end of this?

Yeah? What fuck? That is genuinely what he asked Mother one is Batman versus Superman? Down of Justice Now this film right by the way.

I walked off, So help me God, I am coming back because of our friendship. He is one of the shittest things I've ever seen.

If sure, if you don't like German expressionistic art cinema, which is what it.

Is, how is Batman versus supermanan German expressionistic art cinema.

Because tell me that at any point it makes sense, Tell me that you're not watching it, like I went sick. I wasn't going to see it. I haven't said it was shit, and then one day is that I'll go. And I went to I like, I cannot believe this exists. It's the maddest thing I've ever seen. Nothing makes sense. As if he got to the what I think happened is in the Avid. He was in the edit suite

Of the movie is a dream as much of Batman Versus Superman as a dream sequence as inception which is set in dreams.

But the greatest thing about Batman Versus meant Jordan does, and sorry to spoil this, but Batman and Superman have a fight. Now you may not you may not know this, but making films is hard. It's really hard. And when it's a film like this, this is over one hundred million, there's so much at stake. There are so many execs,

That is the resolution of.

The what happened in the meeting? Who is in that meeting? Who is so scary that everyone went, yeah, that sounds good.

It doesn't It doesn't. It mustn't make anything.

That is extraordinary cinema.

Also, can I ask you this, Brett, what film is Jesse Eisenberg in he is in That's That's that's Batman, Superman.

They're all in different film.

Batman with two ends and mention.

Jesse Eisenberg plays Lex Luthor like he's a nineties game show host.

Love it right? What is the do you want to do? This one? All right? The film that means the most to you this decade because of the experience you had seeing it.

Okay, don't get angry with me, all of you. But Avengers Endgame, this is your this is yeah, this is actually yeah, this is a demographic Amcy Avengers Endgame.

Here's the thing, right, Obviously, there's this.

I think so many things about what Martin Scorsese said about Marvel films. There's so much that I think about it, largely because I think, you know, first of all, people who get very defensive of them. You don't need to defend these things. They've made a trillion dollars. I think that, regardless of what level of stature you get to, your

It surely is to be welcomed in some way, right.

But sitting in that room when the portal's open and feeling a room full of people cheering it was a moment of a collective experience that is surely part of the reason you fall in love with cinema, like you fall in love with cinema for a lot of different reasons, for the capacity film to sort of shape your emotions and change the way that you see the world. But Also, part of the thing that we love about cinema is

Office or wherever you people work. I don't have a real job.

You talk about it when you're in flying your biplanes, whatever jobs it is that you're doing these days, right or you or more and more accurately, you go on the internet, spend all your time on the Internet, and then complain the story didn't make sense because you were on the Internet. But the experience of cinema is designed

Like I love the fact.

That you can go to a movie and it can be incredibly moving and incredibly powerful, and I also love that you can go to a movie where a space robot is friends with a sassy raccoon like I.

That's part of.

The reason you sort of fall in love with cinema is that it's art and its entertainment, it's high culture and its low culture. And over the last ten years I have used the MCU to escape reality when the Internet, when the full force of the right wing breasts descends on me because someone threw bread at me, and somehow that's apparently my fault, and so I don't really delineate.

That these characters are characters.

Now when when Tony Stark gets off the ship and he's ill, I'm not seeing iron Man, I'm going, what's happened to my friend?

What's What's what? What'sever I done to.

My It's all right, but the experience of it the first time, and then I went back and saw it because just through proxy, my girlfriend has become infected by these fucking movies. So I went back and saw it with her the second time. And I still thought it was a really fun film. But the second time, the audience wasn't you know, it wasn't day one, seven am and so it didn't quite have. Also, I don't know how else to say this, there's not a whole lot

Cool about that.

And for some weird reason, somebody had sent a memo memo out on the BAME WhatsApp groups and it was an unbelievably non white screening. It was an anti midsommer of a room and it was like it was there was a real energy to it, and there was a real excitement in experiencing that film not on my own at home, but with the group of my friends and a group of strangers.

That sort of did go some way to remind me of what I love movies.

I mean probably, I say, yeah, I take that it.

What's yours?

My answer is equally highbrow. I I was this really a long time ago. I was dating I was dating this woman and we hadn't been we've been I don't know, not been long. And it was like, how many dates. Is it till you go to the cinema. It's like, you know what I mean, like third for you, it's it's fifty. Yeah. But we we we had to meet I had a gigs whatever. I had to meet it very late. I had to meet her at midnight. We were going to go to the cinema. It was the

What what a sweet story that comes from one of the most horrible stories in the Western canon.

It's quite something.

It's absolutely it's awful.

No, come on right, we don't listen. We're gonna have to skip some of this. Let's do I guess why everyone's here. What's the sexiest film of the decade. Can I go first? It's wiener No, No answer is the same. Yes, it's hustless.

That's not let's not, let's not let's knock around, it's j Lo.

Have you seen Hussles?

I mean, fuck, it's really good. It's really good.

It's really good on every level. And it's so good that it's really good on every level, so you can justify seeing it. And fucking hell, fifty, she's fifty. I love her now.

She also the first time you see her do the pole once and the next time you see her is when she's up on the roof and she's just wearing a fur coat and smoke it and you're like, oh.

God, I think I wanted to lie down now.

In fact, one of the questions on here is best cuddle, and one of my answers for best cuddle is Hustlers is there's a scene on the roof. She sat in her big fur coat and the girl, the new girl, comes up and she's shy, and Jennifer Lopez gives her a cuddle in her big fur coat that puts between her legs, that cuddles there, and I've never wanted to be cuddled more. Yeah, that is one of the best cuddles.

I think about that twice a night, Like it really is like when you like it's cold at the moment you're out in the street, it's just really cold, and you're like, oh, I just wish Jayla would wrap me in a big cut give.

Me one if your special cuddle. Now there's a sub category traveling boner worrying why I don't have the de.

Well, I have a sort of weirdly I love Spider Man and have loved Spider Man since I was a child.

Go on.

I have found it very difficult to accept a sexy Aren't May. I found it very difficult to accept because to me Aunt May is like, it's not Marissa to my but she's great. But the real traveling boner and I feel very bad about this. The real traveling boner is Amy Adams in American Hustle, who I think.

After I saw that, I was like, that is one of.

The sexiest performances I have ever seen in a movie. And then afterwards I read this really horrible interview where she has said she had a really bad time on that film and she was crying the whole time, and I was just looking at my boner being like, few piece of shit? You absolute how dare you become aroused when the greatest actor of all time is having a difficult couple of months at work, and so it's not so much troubling as it is guilty as to borrow.

Mine is under the skin.

Yeah, oh oh, fuck off, you lying, lying sack of pricks.

You know what he's talking about.

Scylliger Hansen is obviously very beautiful, and she loures lures men into her mini van and I think, yeah, I'd get in, and then she and then she takes them to her weird house that's just got gunk everywhere, and the men seem to go, it seems to r and they walk into the to the gunk and I'm like yeah, yeah, okay uh. And then in the end it turns out she doesn't have insides or anything. And I still fancy this is something like you're very.

Troubled by this phote, Yeah, well, trying to be open.

Well, I listen, I know what you mean.

And anyone who was making a shrieking noise is lying to themselves.

Right, because we are pushed for a time, let's pick best cuddle we've done. But there's more, John, do one more one? Best cuddle?

Well, I'll say the same one as yours, because I think it is probably the best cuddle.

Shoplifters, shoplifters. I talk about it a lot. I mean, I mean, it's just the little girl. They've got this little girl, they've sort of got this little girl adopted her. And the mum is cuddling a similar pose to the j loose and she sees she has scars on her arm, this this little girl, and she says to her, perhaps you would talk that that is what love is, but that isn't what love feels like. And she cuddles her and she says, that is what love feels like.

Oh boy, unbelievable, incredible, absolutely unbelievable.

What a film. All right, let's do okay, let's do greatest. Because here's the thing. I always thinking about the great It's not the favorite, the greatest. Objectively, what is the greatest film in a decade? And the answer came to me and it hit me hard, and I was annoyed by it because I don't even like this film. I don't like what it did to me. I never want to see it again. But I'm like it is the greatest film of the decade. I'm genuinely annoyed that it is.

I don't know that there's ever been a film that's ever depicted human consciousness in that way. It is unbelievably Yeah, the idea at the end, Bing Bong had absolutely ruined me. Yeah, but then when he's sort of like, oh, sadness is a really important part of life, Yeah.

You're like, Jesus, are you sure we should be telling children this is, and the sort of twist of like all those memories you saw, actually they were happy memories, but there were sadness in them, and like I'll say this, I'll fucking say it here because January soon.

It helped me. It helped my mental health because I think I spent a lot of time thinking it has to be joy all the time, has to be joining the time. Any other emotion means that I am failing or I am not well, and this film said no, you need that shit to balance everything out. And I was like, fuck you pix up.

Yeah, no, you're yeah.

Yeah, I mean it is. I'm annoyed, but it is. I mean, what's your one you can't top inside out?

I'll see your inside out and I'll raise you a baby dice. Roma. I think Roma is.

I think if I had to answer the question of greatest, I really feel like just on every level, I think the characters and the performances are extraordinary.

The whole thing you could, I maintain.

You could print Roma out frame by frame and hang it in a gallery. Every shot is a work of art. Every character feels fully realized. And the one weird thing that I've heard is people say, I really I liked Roma.

How do they do it? It's amazing, It's incredibly short.

But what's incredible about it is it's only in retrospect you go, wow, it's amazing that they managed to because at the time they've already killed a baby. Why wouldn't all the characters die? And so it is sheer terror at that last And there's a part of me that thinks the poster that they've shown shouldn't exist in a way because it sort of gives away the fact that people survive. But honestly, that was the only thing I clung to when I was watching it, because I was

It's going to be okay. I saw the poster.

I saw the poster on the beach because the end is absolutely harrowing.

I think the performances are extraordinary. I think the film looks like a work of art.

I think if you're like, for me, greatest film of the decade, I think for me, there was there was only ever one answer.

Yeah, well it's the wrong answer, but no, it's so close. It's so close. It's number two, But inside Out is the one. All right, I think we should go to the audience. Yeah, yeah, how do you feel about that? Not great? It's favorite?

Favorite? Get Out?

Favorite, the favorite? The favorite?

Favorite was get Out because I was really trying to sort of you really try, and it's an impossible thing to try and assess, like compare these different movies. But if I think about what I love about movies, get Out was all of it.

There's everything that I love about film.

Because I loved the capacity that films have to make you discuss really complicated and difficult issues. I love the fact that you can go on a journey with characters and you know that the moment at the end when he's holding her by the throat and the red and blue lights flash, and you felt an audience gasp and you felt an audience. I saw it in quite a mixed audience, and when everyone, when the people who aren't black in the room, when we gasp, you suddenly.

Go, fuck me.

That has shifted something about that. It's communicated something so potent and powerful about the African American experience. It's done something so incredible. But also it's so fucking entertaining. It's a proper thrill ride. It's so funny. The speech that culminates in the phrase that's Jeffrey Dahmer's business is as funny as anything ts mother fucking a like, it's every

My favorite is the Florida Project, which is well, you know, if you haven't seen it, sort yourselves.

Out, please see the Florida Project.

It's so f and I think it's import and cinema. What showed me that thing of it's like humanitarian. What's the word humanistic? Is that you watch a world that you don't know, that you have not experienced. And I've said this. I once went on a course for writing. I didn't learn much, but there was one thing that he said that always stuck with me. He said, a writer has to love all of their characters, no matter who their characters are. So if you're writing Hitler, you

Hello? Hello, Moonlight was one that really struck me, love me.

I just told a story of a part of the world and that I know nothing about, in a way that I've never been seen before personally.

So I thought it was amazing.

Moonlight is top ten of the decade, correct ten points for this man.

It would definitely be easily a candidate for greatest film in terms of a game like if you're trying to explain to people what movies are, Moonlight is pretty much as good a place as I need to start.

Mean, who next to someone? There's oh, dear, there's this lady here? A recognize that. What's your name?

Tara?

Hello? What's your what's your place in this world? My brother? Yes, hello Tara, we meet again. I really like you. I like you too. We should hang out. We should Christmas?

Sure O see that toy story?

Fur yeah, go on, I don't know any thoughts.

Have you seen it?

I have seen it.

Yeah, did you not cry?

I hate to say this, I didn't, it was I didn't really, Yeah, but then I don't think I got it.

It's about letting go.

It's about like, that's why I didn't engage with it. I'm not going through this again, toy story.

It's about parenthood and letting go and Gabby. Gabby can't have babies, and then she like that is what it's about.

Yeah, you're fucking right.

She's in fertile, she's born with a problem. Oh man, it's so sad.

Oh my god, you really put should we go to group therapy?

And Key and Peel are great in it.

And they just be there's a lady here who would like to go. Sorry.

So there's some hands up on the other side as well.

Thank you to see me after.

After and so if you're me, it's Paddington.

To What a film, lovely film.

I saw it with my sister and our parents and other friends. And there was a moment at the end and don't want to spoil but I'll just say Aunt Lucy and then we all just looked.

Over at each other.

And we were all unanimously sobbing, and it was one of those moments that we all just shared and it's amazing.

Ah that is lovely love.

Also it all Sorry, I hate to raise the spectum of the b world, but like it all came out, it was very post Brexit, Like this movie has got about five extra layers and none of them were good.

Who was next?

Oh?

This this man?

In the end we go people at the top. The ladies already go on microphone, she's prying.

Oh hello, oh hello, sorry hello.

Yeah.

I was thinking Cold War that came out last year.

I love Cold Love Cold.

It was it was so pretty everything about this and then that the whole you know that their entire love story just yeah, just you know, yeah, in a very short space.

In under ninety minutes, that film has some lessons to teach.

Yeah, amazing, Yeah.

Yeah, I love I have the post it on my wall and everything. Love it sexy as well. It's got the lot So sorry, So was someone over here?

Is that?

Hello?

Hi?

Hi? Am? I related to you.

I just want to say I think one of the films that made me cry the most was Manchester the Sea Christ.

And Favorite Call Me by Your name. What was it? Oh, call me by your Name.

Oh, that's a great movie. It's been a great decade.

Managed by the Sea. Yeah, it's so sad. And at some point in it, I was so upset and I was crying and I thought someone's made this up, Like why have you done this? Why have you sat down to write this, you mad bustard? It's so sad. Oh that's good. Who's next? Hi? Hello?

I just wanted to tell everyone to go and see The Last Black Man in San Francisco, because I feel like not many people saw it, and I saw it at the London Film Festival and it was just probably one of my favorite films of all time, like film ever. So yeah, go and see it.

And that's an order please? Oh great? Thank you? Who? Who? Who's got a mic?

Christopher Robin.

Left Field? Yest's go on?

I just really liked it. I thought it was just such an incredible film about this like roller coaster adventure story where he's now an adult and and sort of reliving stuff that he kind of missed out on. And then like the end scene where he's like sitting with Winnie the Pooh on this like this log and Winnie the Pooh. I can't even remember who the the actors who plays Winnie the Pooh, but just got such like a quaint, soft, wonderful.

I think it's the same voice that was from the cartoon and the real Winny I. I didn't see it because I was I knew it was going to make me cry and cry as well. Yeah, it sounds like Winnie the Pooh hook. I thought that's why it was. Thank you, all right, let's to We'll do two more and then we'll do it. There's a oh god, there's too many of you to leave me for help? Hello, Hello, what.

We do in the shadows?

Laugh?

That opening scene with vampires don't do dishes? King kills me every time? And Peter in a spinal.

Column, it's so great. Wolves swear wolves.

Exactly, And the TV show was as good, so funny.

Oh the scene where he's doing a dance and then someone burst in and he says, what you're doing, I'm trying to do a sexual dance with my friends. That's one of the most I've laughed at anything.

It makes me laugh.

Oh, it's an absolute Oh.

He's at a good decade.

He's been a very good boy, very Oh God, this this person here, who you may you pick? I can't take the responsibility.

Hello, Hello, I might be the only person in the world that saw this movie Beasts of the Southern World.

I fucking love bass. It's one of my favorite last lines to a film ever. Yeah, I saw, thought that was cheating it. Broke me.

Thought that was cheating back and saw at the cinema a couple of days later.

Broke me again.

Then when it came out in DVD, I was broken at the soundtrack on the d v D. And now they used the soundtrack in like energy commercials.

It's just it's just it's not fair. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I'm capitalism the only one.

Hey, Breck, can he stop stealing my materials?

The only having will be having a guard Whitey.

Right, you should have a double bill Last Black Man in San Francisco basis seven. Well, yeah, what a Christmas Day? Hi either.

So it's already been mentioned a lot, but inside out again.

Yeah, it was the first.

Film that my daughter went to. My daughter, she was two, and we've talked. You've talked about how Disney and Pixar trying to do all these like really high concept like Coco and everything but I mean, she was so engaged from from she was laughing at all the right points. You know, she seemed to be totally getting it. And then we're at a pat cinema like this and it's

Exactly, and we we all just like me and my friends, We're just like blowing our eyes out. It's just so yeah, that'll always always have a really special moment.

Just this little forlorn boy.

You told that story and he made me and Brett recreate the end of Roma.

Should we do a sing along?

Yeah?

You love a sing along? Well, this is your special note. I thought, since it's Christmas and it's the it is the great the greatest film of all time is the Mappy Christmas Carol. I thought we would need the hat. We would we would together perhaps stand up and sing.

You might feel less awkward if you all stand up. I don't feel like I've got no fucking shame. Let's all do this and clearly Brett doesn't either, by the sounds of his Wiener chat Brett, my massive head is too big for this hat. Oh my god, have you got a fake beard as well?

Oh my god, you got a fake beard? It does work?

It all right. Let's do this, ladies, gentlemen, Merry Christmas. Let's sing it. Doesn't it feel like Christmas?

Kick it?

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