Nathaniel Metcalfe - The Resurrection! • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #193

with that? Very good point, doctor Zeus, big fan of your work. Every week i'm a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I got them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. But not this week. This week I use my newly acquired shamanic powers to bring back a former guest from the dead and ask them twelve new questions. This week it is the return of the wonderful, amazing and brilliant

stand up comedian Nathaniel Metcalf. Big announcement, I'll be doing a huge live Films to be Buried With That's Films to be Buried With Live at the Hackney Empire on July second. Tickets will be going on sale from ten o'clock Friday morning. You can get them from Plosive dot co dot uk or Hackney Empire dot co dot UK. That's Films to be Buried With Live at the Hackney Empire July second. Come along, We'll have a right out time.

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Goals Team. So Nat Metcalf, the Famiel Metcalf, was on very early in Films to Gage With and it is because of him that everyone's favorite and least favorite quest in Traveling Bone is worrying why Don's exists. Was such a pleasure to get him back on the show. He's a lovely, lovely man and so funny, and I'm very excited to say that he's going back to stand up so you should all go and see him when he can. I think you're going to enjoy this one. I hope

you're all very well. That's it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and ninety three of Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by a man who has shaped this podcast more than any other. A comedian, an actor, a writer, a presenter, a man about town, a lover, a fighter, a peacekeeper, and legend. Please welcome to this show. It's amazing. I'm blow him

back from the dead. I love him. Please welcome here he is. Can you believe it? It's the Vanuel Metcalf. Hello, Wow, it's lovely to hear that I've shaped this podcast more than any other, including yourself. I'd say, oh wow. I'd say you're listen for those of you who have not listened to this podcast since episode one, and shame on you if that's you listening. Nathaniel Metcalf probably appeared episode eight early doors, before it started, before it started coming out.

Really you were in the bank started off in the bank, and because of the conversation I had with Nathaniel out of that came the subcategory question troubling Bonus worrying Why does which did not exist before this? Man? I see before me. It's true, and I don't know if that's a great legacy. I had a lovely message once from someone who did your T shirts and they said, oh, because you invented troubling Bonus, do you want a T shirt that has troubling bonus on it? And I was like,

thank you, but no, thank you. I don't. I can't. I can't walk about with a T shirt says troubling boner on it. But I think if you did, people would be like, hang on, is that you that invented the troubling bona Do you think that's what they think? I think they'd be like, that's the guy. I don't know if that would be their first thought. I think they would be they go, oh, this guy's got Now what they'd think was they go, this guy thinks he's

got like a funny amusing T shirt. Right. There'll be some people, sure, there'll be some people that go, if they listen to the podcast, they go, yeah, hey, I know what that is. Most people will go, this guy got that T shirt in Camden next to one that add addie hash on it, and he's just got a thing on it that says troubling boner. And this guy thinks he's funny and he's got a troubling bona. And

or you'll be on a train and be someone. They'll be like a mother and daughter and they'll kind of look up and they'll kind of just and she would look at me with sad eyes, and the daughter might ask what that means or something. No, the doors will point and go Nathaniel Mecca, and the mother will go, don't look at him. I once did a thing. I was once in a train and there was a mother opposite me was breastfeeding. But I'm a cool guy in the twenty twenties, so I was like, Okay, this is cool.

What I need to do. I want to make her feel comfortable. So what I'm going to do is just totally just go. I'm on a train. I'm going to stare out the window and watch things come in going by, and just be like, don't worry about it. I'm cool, I'm chilled out. And I probably actually wasn't that chilled out about it. I was just gonna go and just stare out of the window and concentrate on that. So

I'm definitely not sweating. Yeah, so if I just thought that would be it, I'll just do it and try and make people feel unco I mean, I'm sure she was totally comfortable. Why she wouldn't have done it? Of course, I immediately go, right, I've got to make an effort to be totally chilled out about this. So I stared out the window and I was really pleased with myself.

And as we kind of approach London Bridge station, I realized that we went through a tunnel, so I went a bit dark, and then I could see her in the reflection, and I went, oh, my god, does it look like I was just thinking reflection all the times I was intensely staring at the reflection of a woman breastfeeding and maybe none of those things. Did you make eye contact with her through the window? Yeah, well that's just something we go finish. Oh no, so proud of you,

So proud of you. Now the Fani makecuff. I ain't seen you in about a year, and that upsets me. But but something I saw that made me really excited. Looks like someone's coming back to do a stand up show. Oh yeah, true, and really is coming back. But like I've I don't you know, I'm trying to let myself off the hook and not let myself off the hook in that I'm writing it, and I'm you know, if worse comes to worse, I can I can get a guest on to try and fill some time. But also

I mean, essentially I've come back to stand up. Have you not done it either? I did, like in during the whole pandemic, I did some zoom gigs and I didn't like them. And then when they started coming back, I was like, I had some writing work and I was furloughed from my other job, so I was like,

I'll be all right. And I felt bad because I knew there was people that hadn't been earning money, and I thought, well, other people should that need the money, should do the gigs right now if there's only a few gigs. And then I just drifted and I'd sort of got to this point where I wasn't doing stand up and I was going have I stopped? Have I stopped? Have I stopped? And then I had this thing that I realized that I started getting insanely jealous of other

comedians like regular comedians. That's when you realize he was still a comedian. Yeah, but I didn't used to it. But I didn't used to you. I used to be really pleased for everyone's successes. People like, yeah, I'm furious at you, but like you know what I mean, I'm genuinely always really happy for people. And then you start

seeing generally. I think what I was annoyed at was there's people doing it, and I was going, oh, I'm sort of not doing it, am I. So I've kind of booked this to kind of make me do it essentially, and to try and rate something. Have you had a gig yet? No, Save the gig for the save your first gig for the big show. Well that's what part of me is tempted to. But then also another part of me is having night mets. We don't do that then, So I've got a kind of but always I've got

no idea. So I'm not someone who's got like really funny lockdown stuff or like it's like it's like, oh, what did I do. It's like I've done nothing, and I've turned off all my stand up receptors that make me notice things and go, oh, that's a thing. That it's like I don't notice things anymore. I'm just I don't I noticed them in a like a way that normal people do. I notice something, I kind of that's a that's a thing that someone just says something funny

to someone that works in a hip shop. Delete you know what I mean, Like, well, well, my dear, I can't even remember what they said. That's funny. That's funny. When I go to said moved on, next thought, I'm not I'm not I'm not doing you know, I've got to turn my receptors back on. We've got to have all that going on. Yeah, them on, Well, I'm very excited. I'd like to see it. Why did you hate zoom gigs?

For goodness sakes? Why did I hate them? Yeah? A couple of them were fine, but the main thing was some of them were really nice as well. And I'd be like enjoying it, and then I'd go all right, and then you'd be like you kind of get kicked out and you're just I'm just here where I am now? Yeah, Oh, I go bed something that feeling when you finish a gig and you're just in your attic, yeah, and you just want to say can we all just stick around and have a chat or something? You need to be like,

what's it called, like sort of talk down afterwards. You can't just go yeah. If you imagine doing a ninety nine club on a Saturday night and you come up stage and then instantly you were just in erratic, but you know what it feels like, and not to make light of it, but it almost feels like the sort of vibe of the room is almost like like you're about to take your own life or something. There's nothing,

there's nothing, there's nothing happening. There's just this void of like all right, it feels like you're either going to take your own life or completely soullessly take someone else's. And myself included, people wouldn't even really be doing comedy because they were so awkward that they just sort of have a chat or something and it's like what is this? What is this? And I had a bit that kind of written and you're saying it and you're not really

getting feedback, and one I did. Sometimes I could get like I wouldn't get sound, but occasionally i'd have like pictures of people and you're sort of just like willing them. You're sort of like, yeah, is this all right? Is this all right? Faces? And it's just this sort of vague like it's like they're like silent faces. I was getting and sometimes sometimes I had nothing. I had nothing, I had a picture of myself and he just goes this what I look like? Is this what I look

like when I'm doing it? The faces, the boxes, It was like a game of guess who, and you're just looking at guess who, like, who's laughing? Someone, please smile.

They used to be a few gigs in London. I'm sure you did them where the stand up would be facing the room, but the back of the room would be a mirror, and so you'd occasionally catch yourself amongst the crowd just looking back at yourself doing it and just going, oh, oh, I don't need to see this pulling, pulling these faces that you don't have any idea, And it's like and like zoom has become missing. We're all getting used to our own faces. I don't see my

face talking. But now you sort of kind of look at yourself go it's like hearing recordings of yourself. It's that again, but looking at my face, going ah right, okay, this makes sense, This makes sense. It's interesting. Then you're right, We as human beings in the history of humanity have seen our own faces more than we've ever seen our own faces exactly exactly, And to be honest, mine makes it makes a lot of sense of a lot of

things have been happening. Now I can look back and go, oh, yeah, yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. Oh is that what I look like? Okay, all right, okay, I can I can slot that back in and a lot of things start to come together. Now I never looked like what I think I look like. Nah when I see the mirror, or if I've done acting, and then I watched it back and go, oh, that wasn't at all what I

thought I was doing. My face Weirdly, you're pulling a face when you're like combing your hair or brushing your teeth because or you're look in the mirror when you're about to leave the house and you go, yeah, look all right, and it's because you're sort of doing a weird like pose. You go, yeah, right, I'm a Norman Rockwell painting. Sure look good, but like you don't you don't see yourself doing this and see arms flailing and doing like weird things with your mouth and things. You go, oh, well,

that's a weird old face. It's a weird old face. You go there, Yeah, it's really that is really interesting. Listen, you've made two observations in the last ten minutes too. The receptors are back on, Bret. I'd say the receptors are firing on all cylinders, which is good news, because Nathaniel bet Calf, you have been brought back to life because I like you. You get a second chance. But what point in your life would you like to come back to? Is there something you'd change? Any regrets? Boy?

What will you keep the same? Do you know what? I've got tons of regrets? Of course I have, like all of it's like, but also, I don't think I've figured out the answer yet. So it would be wrong of me to come back, because I just you know, I'd go back and change something bad. I'd make things worse. I'd be like, that's a movie, isn't that what am I thinking of? Yeah, I'd be the butterfly effect. I need to get everything right in the present first, before

I could go back and change everything. Surely you need to kind of sort yourself out first. And then go all right now, but then you probably won't want to go back because you got actual more right now. That's how i'd feel about it. How many regrets if you've gotta give me a number, oh oh, loads, three or four big ones. And but like do you know, like Frank sin Archer my way, he says regrets, have had

a few, but then again too few to mention. And I think I've I've heard a lot about you, Frank, and if I were you, I'd have loads of regrets. I'd be singing that, going, oh man, I've got some. And the fact he has he's only got a few, or thinks he only has a few, makes me go, no, I don't know if I'm into you. Yeah, I don't think I'm into you, Frank. He's also, you know, everything's his. That song is very revealing on a number of them, he's like, fuck you. The song should just be called

fuck you. And everyone I've harmed along the way. Yeah, sure I've done some bad things, but not that many. And I don't think about it that much, not worth going into. So you've got a few regrets, but you don't you don't want to come back because you've got no solutions to those. Yeah, if you could do them again, if you could do them again, you do them worse. Well, that'd be my worry. I kind of wish something like

stand up. I kind of wish i'd started that sooner, because I think it was a lot of like a lot of things kind of make sense when I did it, and you go, oh, that makes sense, so I can do that. And also I think it's sort of when you start older, you're only ever gonna get to a

certain level. I really like it when I see young people doing it, which is kind of what happens now, right, And it's like, oh, people are only gonna your that audience are gonna age with them, whereas I'm now just you know, I started later her and I'm quite an odd forty two year old. All right, Yeah, people aren't relating to this gay and why should it's different? Differently? Why are you worried you're lately? I don't I don't know if I agree with your thesis. I don't know why.

I think I think people would do it, like, well, the longer you do it, you should get better and better, right, Yeah, And people that start younger, I mean you sort of seeing it with people that we started with, who would like be seventeen or eighteen, and you think, and when they start, you go, oh, you're too young to be doing this, but then actually they're not. They're just learning

this thing at a really young age. And ten years later they're ten years better and they're twenty seven or something, and you go, wow, imagine that that's great. Imagine being that good at twenty seven. That's that's how old. Always when I start, that's that kind of that's great. I think that's six Satan. Yeah, you're right. I think i'd go back. I'd start earlier if I If I could, I started later. But you know, I met I met someone in America, right, I've been thinking about this so much.

I met someone in LA and they tell me a story about I can't remember what it was. They had an idea for something. This wasn't a TV. It was like a product. Basically, they had an idea for a product. They got the product made, they sold the product, the product was successful, and I said to them, did you know anything about making the product? And they said no, I knew nothing. I just looked it up and I found a person and I called them up and I said,

do you make these things? And blah blah blah, just did it. Had this idea, did the thing. The thing was successful. And I said, did you not have like loads of doubt and loads of time spent worrying about the thing, And they said no, And I thought, oh, yeah, you just skipped all the years of going I don't think I could do I don't know anything about this, but of course I couldn't do this, and just God just did the bit. And the reality is with you and me and most people, we always end up doing

the thing. It just there's just sort of long period of doubt and questioning. I know what, I probably couldn't do that. Yeah, you're right. It wasn't like I was at seventeen. I was probably thinking about out, I'd like to do that. I can't do that. Yeah, I always wanted to stand up. Why did it take me? If I just skipped a bit where I went, I probably can't do that. Yeah, so that's what you do. Just

do it, Just do it. He was right, he was, Prince Nike was I love like, Okay, so you've come back to now you change in nothing to spite all these You only bring certain people back to life, right, Yeah, only the ones I like. Wow, that's telling for all the other guests. Jadd Apatow doesn't listen back to this. Well, he only just died. I gotta give him some time too. Okay, you've got to let I don't mean people back from the dead quick. Yeah, of course. But for me it's

been longer than most as well. Well, you died young, and I know, but it's been a long time coming. I have been. I feel like, I think you've got too much responsibility. You've got you've got too much power with this. I mean, you're doing it for good, but you know what I mean, there's an element to it which is quite sinister, that you have the power to bring certain people back and it's your choice. That's interesting. That's too much power. Listen, it's my choice who gets

into heaven as well? Wow, listen. And the people that stay dead, they're in heaven. They're having a nice time, get spies. Yeah, yeah, and they've decided. Yeah, it's true. It's true. Some people just it's like with you, it was like, I think there's there's more. Some people I've left to die because they were done. You know, they'd had a perfect road but I was in heaven getting annoyed at other comedians during Okay. So you so you

come back to life. People want to hear about you, about you, your death and your new life, but they want to talk about films again because you're hanging out with the right, with your kind of people. Yeah, and the first thing they ask is, what's the last film you saw? Nathani I saw over the weekend. I saw

alian Aver. Talk to me about alian Aver. It has got a deal actor and Claire Rushbrook in it, and a deal actor is one of those guys that you see him in this and you go, he's been in stuff for sure, and you go, he's probably most famous for being in Four Lions. And when he saw him in Four Lions that was ten years ago or something. You go, this guy's incredible. This guy's going to be in everything, and he's done well and I don't want to knock him, but you see him in this again

and go, this guy's amazing. Why isn't he in everything? And he's such he's so great like and it's a film that's it's quite a difficult watch with an actor in it who is so charming that I just cannot but it's again you're going, this guy should be huge. Why isn't this guy and everything? I wouldn't have time if he was in everything, I wouldn't have time to watch everything. But he should be, you know, he's but he's like he's well, he just go, what a wonderful

kind of like he's a proper charmer. You just like him immediately. He's like he's got such and in it. He's like he's even playing landlord in this. And I still like him gay, I like him a luck And also I'm dismissing it seems Claire Rushbrook, who's also terrific. It's just that I was so struck by Ah, I love a deal actor. And then you go, it's crazy, it's crazy he's not in more stuff. I'm sure he's doing well and he's working and he's happy and he's

sort of always he's always in stuff. But you're right, he should be bigger. Puts in all stuff. And it's really nice to see him in something like this where he's the co lead of something. I wouldn't say it's a comedy. It's got funny bits in it. I once set it's a comedy. It's definitely romantic and it is about romance, and well not about romance. It's about love

and different kinds of love. The bit of it which is the most profound is difficult to talk about, but happens at the end, which isn't even between the two main characters, without spoiling anything. Is it overall a positive or a negative film? I would say overall it is

a positive film. I came out of the film so sad and yet it's really hopeful, and I keep reading reviews about how joyous it is, and I went, oh, I don't know what I'm like them because I thought there's a bit in it that made me so profoundly sad that I was like, oh god, it was. It's a real sort of I've not seen that in a

film before, but it felt very truthful. But I just found it like there's a moment happens towards the end which is very sad that isn't even between It's between a dear acta and one of the other members of the cast. But and it's all about kind of love and different types of love and things really good. It's very profound, but like it's not like you know, you have you seen the Selfish Giant. I have seen the Service Giant. Who well, Nellie, that's tough. That is tough.

The Service Giant has there's a moment in it. It's up there with Kes, with putting a bird in the fucking being. Do you know what? As well? I was talking to someone about it the other day after I'd seen alian Ava, and I was talking about a Selfish Giant, and I said, the thing is right, they made a choice where that film could still exist and still have a thing where it's about like, oh, the kids riding horses. That's really nice for him. He's having a tough life.

That film could still achieve a lot of what it achieves and be about a kid who goes like at the end of it, they go, what that kid's really good at riding horses. Now he could maybe be a jockey or something and get out of this his back end sort of achieve something. And I thought, there is an interesting that at some point writing that she must have made a choice to go, nah, fuck him, you know what I mean, It could still achieve a lot of the same things and not have that, not have

like that. Really, Oh, that's that's upsetic, really really, I was setting that film, and and yeah, and all the horse stuff. I was like, you know, in storytelling, you went, he's training for a horse race, So we're going to have a horse race. No we're not. I'll tell you why we're not. Of course something is going to happen and there would be no horse racing. But also, of course I love a grim British kitchen syndrama. So a bit of me went brilliant, were lapped, but I went brilliant.

But I was also going, well that is upsetting and sat. But with that film it was interesting because it felt yeah, it felt like you're on a journey going well, i've seen this film. This is nice, this is nice. It's like that film is like if in The Full Monty they did a dance rehearsal. They did a dance rehearsal, and as they left the rehearsal to go, they got shot and there was no final dance because they've all been shot and they were dead. That's what that film

is like. Now, it would be like in The Full Money if one of them shot the other ones and then the guy who shot them went, oh what have I done? And a car walks past and says I've just heard the news and he goes, what that shot them people? And he goes, know that your son is dead. It would be like that. It would be so like the bleak is kind of oh oh that's fair. Oh no credits to Hot Chocolate play it every time, Nathan, you make her Who do you think should play you

in the film of your life? Well, well it's tough one, isn't it, because it feels almost like a conceited question because you go, you pick someone's too good looking. But then also it's like, like I keep thinking the people that I would think that, you'd go, oh, I maybe

look a bit like that person. They're also probably at least ten years older than me, given the nature of film stars, So I would be like, will it be weird if they played me in a film, because by the time the film comes out, they're going to be old playing me? Okay, So you're almost trying to think of maybe someone hasn't been born yet. And then he's trying to think of the circumstances that someone would make

a film of me. And I don't think I've done anything horrible that people haven't found out about yet, And it'd be a terrible. Well, there is this long list of regrets we need to deal with, so it's interested. So if they're making a film, it's probably going to be me for something that hasn't happened yet. So if I go, So I was thinking initially someone people have said that I look like in the past and I don't want to seem conceited about it, would be someone

like Brendan Fraser. Has been mentioned really good shout, so maybe someone like that. But I also quite like the idea of giving Michael Sheen ago because he's had to go of everyone else and me, you see where because he's done everyone and he go maybe you could add him to the pantheon of people he's played. I like Brendan Fraser, Okay, I've not heard that, and I think

that's a great shot. Someone else so I think probably is too good looking, but someone who I occasionally seeing things and in my head I think maybe the mirror me would be going, hey, I think that guy looks a bit like me. But then I think, in hindsight, I've gone, no, that guy's much better looking than me. Was the guy Joe Michael Pitt Yeah, from from Funny Games.

From Funny games, and I've occasionally seen him in things and gone from Funny Games and The Dreamers exactly my two references that I would have said, but i've seen him in things going hey, I think that guy looks a bit like me. But luckily I've had the last two years on Zoom and I can go no, no, no, no no. Michael Pitt is a very good looking guy. I'll take that back, not to say Brendan Fraser isn't.

He's also a very good looking Matt. I think I think you like George and the Jungle, and that's a huge But why is the most romantic film you've ever seen? You're a romantic onn you? For God's sakes? Yeah, And you know what, this is hard because this is the one I definitely think I'm going to remember something else. And I quite like films that have a sort of element of sort of tragedy in their romance, and I thought, I bet it's a really good example of that that

I can't remember. But also one of my favorite films is a Matter of Life and Death, which is it's also like a romantic film, all about a guy who in a fantasy way though, so he's you know, he finds love at the point where he should already have

died and is sort of resurrected by accident. He's meant to go to heaven but doesn't, and in the time period of which he's supposed to have died, he meets someone and falls in love and then basically has to have a whole court case with God and various spirits and heavenly bodies to convince them that he deserves to stay life because they've cheated him out of this romance. Yeah. I really that's one of my favorite films, which is in itself it's entirely a romantic comedy drama. I don't

want to spoil it, so spoil it. I'm going to spoil it, so skip ahead if you've not seen A Lean To. When I finally saw that film, I really really loved it and I was shocked that it had a happy ending. I really thought, this is a British film. There's no way he's going to live and get it. There's no way. And I was really like, oh, okay,

but he does it. But because they don't give you it fully happy, because he achieves it because he needs someone to represent him and he can't find anyone, and then the doctor who in real life has been helping them the whole way gets killed in a motorbike accident and is able to come back, So it has an element of tragedy. They didn't let him off. Fully, someone's got to die, someone's got to pay the price. That's true. We can't have happy ending. You've got you've got had

some sadness. Yeah, oh it's awful. I live with that guilt for the rest of it, and I did. He's a doctor, he could be probably saved many more lives, but then has to come back to help David never now.

So I thought of that. One. Another one I think is kind of like so recently I didn't see it when it came out, was The Handmaiden film, And I think that in itself is really the whole thing that you kind of complete misdirection all the time, but ends with this thing where you kind of go, oh, well, that's actually a really beautiful kind of and it's all about sort of using elements that was hate as essentially that other people have used against someone as a loving thing.

It's very nice to something which is you know, also a film which is at times very grim it's got the sexiest tooth shaving scene of all time. What a sexy tooth shaving scene? You never think, You never think growing up one day I'll see a film with a really sexy tooth shavy tooth shavy doesn't sound sexy. I think that film is quite incredible because it is both incredibly sexy but also like, like, there's so many things

like is this all right? All right? And also it's so and it's also weirdly it's odd to see something so explicit as well, which also you go through your head and go through rolodex of is this all right? And at the end of it you go, yeah, I think it's all right. I think it's right. I think we're all I think we're all all right. Guys, that's your matter of life and death. That's okay, Yes, to kill a doctor. What is the best film you ever

saw that you never want to see again. We've talked about Graham films, and I've said I like a grim film, but I honestly don't think I could get through Grave of the Fireflies ever again, No way. That film is relentless, absolutely relentless. It starts off you go, you know, oh,

that's that's tragic. That's about lots of story stuck with something tragic, and you get to overcome the tragedy and you absolutely do not get to overcome anything, and every kind of turning point in the story, something worse happens than the thing that you thought were going to happen at stuff that's mad's worse than the start, and it just gets worse and worse and worse and introduces you to characters and you get to go, well, I really

love these characters. What's sweet and charming characters, And it goes, oh, delate them, watch him die in a really well, think of an unpleasant way to die. I've got one worse, go on worse, and they just play out like this horrendous scenario. And then when you go, oh, I guess that's the end of the film. Yes, this is just a really sad film. And that's a sad end into a film. It's like, imagine what happens next to this character. I don't want to, but imagine what might happen to them?

I don't know, like, he's probably this isn't it? You go, yeah, it probably is. What would naturally happen to that? Do you want to see it. Yeah, I guess we've got to see it. Yeah, yeah, we've got to watch this happen as well. Watch this happen. Is that the end? Yeah, that's the end? See you later credits. Unbelievable, unbelievable, How relentless that is making you feel bad. It does not let up, It does not let up of how bad you'll feel during the film, and it's you just like

to warm people. I'd recommend it's really good. I'd recommend it. And yet, like you, you've got to go in prepared that, like I think it's a public service me telling people to watch it and also saying when you think the worst thing has happened in this film, it hasn't even happened yet. It's still it's going to keep going. You're still in the prologue, man, Yeah, nothing, This isn't. It isn't. This isn't Why you go like you'd watch it now and go I have heard this film sad, and it's like,

this isn't even started. This is the happy bit. This is the best you're going to feel for the next eighty minutes, for the rest of your life. What is the best action film you've ever seen. Well, I think I mentioned it last time, but I've got a few answers for this, and one sounds kind of a bit high for Lutin, which is probably going to be my answer. Last time I sort of mentioned Desperado that was I think it's such an underrated action movie. I think it's

incredible and it's so it's so visceral. And the time that I saw it for the first time, it was at London Film Festival and he was packed and everyone was so into it in a way that you wouldn't

really imagine it somewheer film festival. So the point where halfway through and go in front of me kind of just turned around to be like, wow, this is great, right because it was just it was so exciting and you think, you know, when people took about audience awards, I think no film went down as well at that festival as Desperado did, but it wouldn't get it because they don't want to say that's a film that did it and it's but it's so again, that's a film

which is pure action and all it's trying to do is show you exciting things and people shooting guns in comical and amusing ways people are going to fly through a window, someone's going to jump off a building, fire and a gun. What different ways can we fire a gun loads? Let's have let's do them all. Let's think of just ways we can fire guns at people. And weirdly, it's not even doesn't even seem that violent. It's quite charming, and it's funny and it's I mean, it's really funny.

Like by the time you get to the you know, the credit sequence, you've already had a brilliant scene with Steve Bashemi. It's all scenes and all of it is set pieces, and if it's not a set piece, it's like a funny scene between two people having a chat. It's great. It's terrific action movie. Any good answer, and it hasn't been brought up since you were left here. No, I think it's such an underrated film. I think it's

so so great. The high for Looting one I was going to go with, was going to be and I think I could say this is an action movie, but it sounds high for louting is the Wages of fear? You have seen that? That is a really really good high faluting answer. I would count that because it is an action movie, even though I think people go no, no, it's suspense and go, well, then Speed isn't an action movie. I mean it's like, surely if anything is that is. I saw that again. I hadn't seen it till recently.

I saw it the Prince Charles with Nick Helm and Pat Butcher. And Pat Butcher was when he was he was like coming in from New York and he was jetlagged, and I think that they've both been out late and we've got to see it on a Sunday afternoon, and they were basically said, there's no way you were going to stay away during this film, and he go, sure, it's a film from like nineteen fifty three, it's in

black and white. I've heard it's good. I kind of know what it's about, but like, I might have difficulty staying away through this, and it was it's so exciting that all of us were on the edge of us that no one went to sleep because it so it's such an exciting film. No one went to sleep is a quote I want on all film posters. Did I want to see you know what I mean? Yeah? When they when I think it was it was either the woman in Black or the sequel to The Woman in Black.

The poster for that on the Underground. The quote it used was I didn't sleep for weeks, and I went terrible recommendation. I don't want to see a film where I've gone. You're right, it's like, no, I haven't slept for weeks. The amount of films that get advertised with the quote that says heartbreaking and no thanks of all the films if you had to, which film do you think you could have made? And why I could have made? That's interesting. I don't know if I was thinking about

it in the right way. Were you thinking about it? I was thinking of it like if you see a film, you go, if I made a film, that might be kind of like the film i'd make. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Well something certainly when it came out, I felt that about The Life Aquatic with Steve Zsu and not because necessarily in a sort of Wes Anderson anyway, just there's something about the tone of that film that's slightly different.

I mean not to not Wes Anderson. I like I like those first movies a lot more than sort of later ones. And I don't mean necessarily esthetically, but a little bit aesthetically that what's different about that. I really like the color palette on that film, I really like I like that it all has a sort of feel of something like Tintin or something, whereas it's also funny and sad and has this sort of soundtrack that feels like, yeah, that's what I would want to hear. And it's just

like when moments happen you go. It feels it almost like things switch sort of metronomy in this way that I really want them to happen. Like it's like watching it and going, I really want this to happen, but it probably won't happen because that's not how narrative works,

and it happens. It's like that when you watch it, going I would want this to happen now if like and in that way, you're sort of probably always writing films like like when you watch The Selfish Trian and go, well, I hope this boy doesn't nothing tragic happens to this little boy who loves horses, but instead something else happens. But this is a really sort of satisfying narrative that I was like, beat for beat, I was like, going,

this is what I want to happen. I want this to happen, and this should happen now, and I love that. And that was probably one of the first times I was watching a film where it felt really like, this feels like the kind of film I would want to make, Not that I could necessarily, but just moment to moment. It has so many bits that just feel like I

love this. I love it that it does all that how sort of imaginative is and when you get in the submarine, how you get to see the kind of like almost like a blueprint of the submarine and the kind of walls cut out and it shows you all the different rooms and where you are, and there's there's there's so much kind of imagination in that, and for me, that's still my favorite film of his. I'm not knocking

the Royal tannem bounds. I'm not I'm not mad, but I love The Life Equator because there's something about it that feels really like this is this is a bit of me. That is a perfect answer. Well done, Thank you, really good. What is the film you have pretended to like to impress people? Well? I reckon this might be the most controversial one, and I hope I've seeded this enough by trying to present myself as a good guy, great guy, because it seem like a great guy who

likes films. Yeah, because the film that I've pretended to like is the film from a couple of years ago, a year or two ago. Little Women. I know, I know, I know, I get it. I get it, guys, I get it. I think it's fine. I think it's fine. I really like Greg Gwig. I think she's great. Big fan. Yeah, I'd never seen any other iteration of Little Women. I'd heard. I'd heard that this one. People loved it. People loving this film love it. They love this film. I love it. Sure,

lots of people love it. I kept reading, Hey, we're up for this and again. I saw this with Nick helm I think I saw it in like New Year's Day or something like that around the Christmas season. Great film, a scene, let's do Little Christmas seven, It's gonna be Christmas Eve, perfect New Year's Day film, right afternoon, lovely, this will be really nice. I was a bit like, wow, is this what Little Women is? Huh? I was like, all right, Little Women? This is is this what it is?

This is the this is the film? Right, this is the one? Is this the one we're talking about? Is this Little Women? Yeah, everyone's into it. There's lots of people who I didn't quite grasp for half the film. The penny drogged halfway through. You go, where are all these adults pretending to be children? They're all running about really excited. The mums made a chicken for dinner or something,

and they're running around. Laura Durns made something nice for dinner, and they made some biscuits or something, and they're all running around pretending to be children, and you go, how are these people meant to be? Because they look like they're all in their mid twenties on it. They're really excited that there's Laura Durns made a cloth a casse role or a little cloth dolly or something. Mum has made a cloth dolly. I don't know if it happens,

but it's kind of thing that might have happened. And you're grutching it like that, and you go, what is why is this happening? And the worst thing about it? And I kept thinking and totally what are you always so get is I understand that these of course make this people love this film. Not everything has to be made for me, of course, not course, not course not. People love it and I enjoy it. I'm like that they love I like Greg Gig. I respect that she did it. Well done for making a film you wanted

to make. It obviously seems good. I think one of the worst elements of it was when when there's a bit where their dad is played by Bob Odenkirk, and there's a bit where it cuts away to him in the Civil War, and it cuts away for a second you get to see a bit of him at war, and a bit of my brain went, oh, now we're talking.

Let's watch this. Now it's now, we're getting somewhere. And then I thought, right the minute it kind of moved away from the little women, I realized I became more and I've never felt more manly in my life at that point, because a bit of me went like, I'm not even that guy. I'm not that guy. But when I just saw a little bit of Civil War, I went, oh, here we go, there we go. Now we're off for Eason.

I feel bad, like and you know what, I felt bad while I was experiencing this in real time, going ah, I didn't realize how much of a manly man. I was that actually watching Little Women who love you know, they all right love doing dollies and doing like little puppet shows or something. They love it. They're having a great time. You're one of the manliest men on the circuit. And that's everyone knows that. Yeah. I love it, love that they made it well done and everyone involved. For

the record, I really loved Little Women. I love it. I believe you. What is the film you've never seen that you think it's mad? You've never seen it any of the Harry Potter films that is mad? What is the film you love that you don't explain anyone else to like? All right? Oh, man, I wish this one hadn't come up so so quickly after the Little Women answer, because I think I think people are gonna I think by the end of this, I think I think this might be where I get canceled. I don't think that

shows happening out about fucking time. The film I think is great. I love it. No one else likes. I've kind of recommended to people. No one believes me. I am a big fan of the film. I'm the only person in the world who likes it. Brett More Tocai. I absolutely love it. I think it's one of the best comedies of the past decade. And I saw it after people hated it and went, hike, I think that looked quite funny. I thought that look quite funny. It's a trader for it. I watched it and went, that

is funny, and then I'm sort of then. Ever since, I just have heard people talk about how much they hate it and how awful it is, and I've watched it again because I didn't believe myself. I went, I'm gonna watch this film again because it's not good, and I'm gonna the scales are gonna fall from my eyes. Watched it a second time, went it's a great movie. It's a great comedy. Love it. I think it's a really great comedy. Lots of reasons not to like it, even more in recent times, but but you know, I

love the film. I think it's so so funny, that's great. I have to help my hands and say I have not seen it, and all they heard with horrendous things about it. I love I Love a Defender. Yeah, I really like it. I think it's so funny. I think it's got a really good cast. I think they know what they're doing all the way through. I think tonally it's mad, but in a way that's like I can see it. See if you don't know, that's what you're

getting going in. It's off putting, but you know that's the tone Within the first like minute or two of the film. You go, all right, it's a film like this, got it? Go for it? Are you going to make me watch more decay? Is that what was happening here? Well? I don't know. I almost feel like I might be. I don't know. I don't know anyone else that likes it even remotely would say anything positive about it, even even Johnny Depth. Is he gone off it? I don't know,

but maybe I'm sure he has some regrets. I brought him back to life. He said that to you, to mention what is? But one of them is more, what is the film you would show a lover as a test to see if you should be together? Well, I know I brought up last time, but I think ultimately the one I would have to double dip on would

always be It's a Wonderful Life. It's not only my favorite film, but I think it's got a film which is morally on point, and I feel like it would be the one thing that you know, people can like what they like. As I said, I support people that

like little women. You've been You've been very generous with that. Actually, I think I think It's Wonderful Life is one which is so it's more that if someone didn't like it, I'd be like, oh right, oh okay, and I think about it for a while, but ultimately it's already it's already done at that point, I think I think there's any coming back from it completely. You're right. I mean, I've got such a long list of films that would

fit that criteria. But yeah, if someone doesn't get it, you're like, well, there's nothing for us here, and it would you bring it up occasionally or would take cancel the wedding? I'd say this is my fault for proposing before I showed you this film, right, but we now need to cancel the wedding. And in the email that we're going to send to everyone that we invited, I'm just going to say she didn't like It's a Wonderful Life,

and no one will. No one will even ask us to return the plates they bought us that we didn't really need. What's the film that made you the most uncomfortable, and you love an uncomfortable film, so what's the out of it. Well, this is a different kind of discomfort for me because you might know something I've realized over the years. One of my personal failings is I don't think I'm a big fan of fun. I don't think I like that much. Sure like Morga who doesn't everywhere,

but I'm not a big like. I think sometimes certain levels are fun, I'm sort of uncomfortable with them bad and it's a real personal failure. And I'm really bad. I can't really do dancing. I can't do it. I'm too self conscious. I find that stuff a struggle, and I think it's a struggle for people that know me sometimes. And I certainly don't want someone to go to make me try and dance or something. Not a fun guy.

I don't like films that are overly fun and like, I'm not going to see something I have no interest in seeing. The room doesn't interest me. It feels like, well, it's either someone who's sincerely tried to make a film that didn't work out. I don't like the idea of those kind of let's have a jolly kind of laugh at the room and things that just holds no interest for me. And if I did go and see the room,

I feel like I'd be going shush. I just want to see the room and see what see what it's up to, right, because I might like it, I like more. I might be the gays into this, So I'm like, I like it that like death was good. But you know, I don't like that jolly enforced fun of going to see something. I know some people do and that's fine and people like that. But I was intrigued by and if they want it shouts at the screen the special

little women though they can't. I if I want to see women little women, And I were shouting Mama making a cloth Dolley at the screen, really loud. People wouldn't be into it, that it's the same, you'd be the same equivalent thing with that. But I was quite intrigued by the disasterized. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I was kind of, okay, let's give this a go. But I sort of made the mistake I think of seeing that at the Prince Charles Cinema and I sat there so

uncomfortable as people were shouting out things. And now I was going, this isn't even the room, right, right, this is just a film, so you can't be shouting stuff. Fut Now this is like a this is like sort of a proper film. And it sort of made me feel so uncomfortable at that being in that sort of presence and sort of seething. I was like angry watching you, Like just to me, it just felt like this just guy, like you can't go shush, be quiet, because it's like, no,

this is our fun. This is what we do. We shout at the thing. And I'm in there. I shouldn't have seen it there. I probably shouldn't should have seen it somewhere where there was two people in and I sat at the back, which is the best way to watch a film, So but I saw it at the Prince. I was probably my fault, but that I sat there

sort of seething. And also what made me more uncomfortable was essentially that I could tell everyone else was having such a great time, and I felt like And it also just makes you question everything in your head, like haying, why am I like this? Why do I hate all

these people who are having such a lovely time? And having They're all they're they're gonna leave, they're pumped, and I'm you know, I'm really like, you know, I'm I'm sort of screwing my hands up, balling my hands up and going, I can't bear this, just can't bear it. This is some really relatable content. I appreciate you. That's that all makes sense. I'm sure there'll be a lot of people kept listening. That makes sense to you. Okay,

good two people listening. And if you could show a child one film, what would it be and what are you doing with that child? Well, I feel like this is a I feel heavy the responsibility of this. I've got, you know, I'm a godparent or whatever to two kids, and I feel like this is something that I would like to do and I'd like to introduce them to things. And I think I've got a certain taste in things, and I know what I liked when I was little, and a part of me is always going, I'd love

to show them kes. But I know because but when I think that you are one of the people that pops into my head and go, I shouldn't do that. That's not fair. It's a different time. But like I do like it and I do love it, and I think it's a great film for kids to watch. I think it, but I don't know that that is right, and it goes through my head. This is a narrative that's constantly going from my head about things I'd like

to show them. Another one for a similar thing would be something like Time Bandits, which I loved when I was a kid. But part of the thing I like about it is how it's kind of got these It's also quite disturbing, and I really like that as a kid, and it's one of the first films you come out where you go, I feel weird about that. I don't

feel like super excited. I loved it, but then ultimately there's like strange things where you know, the boy's parents get burnt to a crisp and get things, and you go, I don't know if that's that's the right thing, but I like that. I came out of it with a weird sort of feel a bit different about this than they do other films, and I'm left to wonder something rather than just coming out and going I loved it, it was great, you kind of go. I loved it, but I also feel a bit weird or a bit

sad or a bit something else. And I think that film is a bit magic like that. It's got tons of you know, it's got all the stuff that kids like, and it's proper action adventure, and it's huge, and it's heaven and hell, and it's giants, and it's got all these sort of huge fantasy elements. And it's also a little kid who just lives in, you know, a small kind of suburban house, but he's on this sort of huge kind of adventure. But ultimately it's got so much stuff at the end of it that leaves you a

bit kind of quizzical. And I think that's a really important thing that kids also get something else out of here. I think Pixar do that really well as well. Now for the your modern era kids to just see something and go, oh yeah, but I have a think about that. Kids. You have us think about this as well, because that's something else. And I bet there are loads of kids that lead those films in the same way. A bit kind of I feel like I've you know, I feel like I've got a bit older in the last ninety

minutes or something. And I think those films like that are very important but a film which I think is a children's film, which I absolutely love, which I feel like I really would like to show someone, and I hope it hasn't dated in the way that I'd be frightened it has. Would be something like The Railway Children, which I think is much much better film than anyone

gives it credit for. And it's an absolutely proper film up against all other films I take it, and I think it is both you know, the sort of Sunday afternoon classic y thing that you would imagine it's a very big, kind of bank holiday type movie, but if you watch it, it's a proper movie. And I think people dismiss it in a way. And yet that film has got such kind of power of and it's what it's dealing with. His sentiment. The sentiment is hard. It's hard to do. It's hard to do. People think that's

us easy. It deals with it in such a way that if it gets you properly, like you know what's false sentiment and what's real sentiment, And that film is full of real sentiment, which is what's magic about it. And people like I really like a sort of sentimental film that works, and all your the differences. It's just some of it aren't doing it properly. It's false, whereas some things are like this is proper real sentiment. In that same way, you know et is a real is

real sentiment. But the Railway Children is that. I think it's an absolutely magic film, and it's a much much better film than people get credit for. It's a five star movie, an absolutely wonderful that's a five star answer. M oh, Nathaniel Metcalf. You've been wonderful as before. In fact, you've been so good that I'm going to let you live. I was touch and go at some of that point as well. I was worried about some of its controversial Yeah,

around little Women. There was a little jury going on in my head, a little life and death going on up there. So previ some of the edgy stuff that will be kind But you know, I do, I know, I really, I really feel bad about it as well.

I feel bad about you're right too. I'm glad I know your new stand up show is called Nadaniel Metcalf Edge Lord, and a little previow there, but before I let you return to Earth for good, just in case something were to happen, and at some point you were to die again, and I'm not saying you will, but I'm saying you might. What DVD would you leave in your will? You're only allowed to leave one. It's very

small bit of paper. I'm afraid what we're going to leave. Hey, what I'd leave then in my will to give people is films that I think they won't otherwise watch that I'll be like like I child, almost try and buy gifts of films. It's like, you won't watch this enormal circumstances, but hopefully if I give it to you, you'll be

a step closer to you watching it. And really, a film I absolutely love and is in I think probably top ten films of all time for me, is a film that I think people think I like because I'm a big fan of Anthony Newley, but I also like it because it's one of the best films ever made. And that film is The Small World Sammy Lee. And one time I kind of had a I had a pirate copy of this film and I'd give it to people for Christmas. I just had copies of it going.

I'll just make copies of this and give it to people because I think it's such a good film that everyone ought to see it, but it feels like they probably won't otherwise see it because they go, oh, yeah, I get what that is, and it's like, you don't get what it is. You don't get what it is. It's you know, it's it's a it's such a great,

great film. It's a film about a guy who is he has in real time a day he works as a compare in a strip club in Steve Soho and he has to raise a huge amount of money to pay off gambling debts before the end of the day, whilst also keeping this burlesque show going, so he can only leave the club for ten minutes at a time when the girls are on stage, and he has to sort of pay Peter to pay Paul and sort of rob and steal and do deals in these ten minutes

when the girls are on stage, whilst also getting back to the club. And you're watching this thing and it's so stressful to watch. It's what's the I've forgotten the name of it, The Uncut Gems, Uncut Gems. When I saw the trailer for that, I went, it's small to Sammy Lee, it's more to Sammy Lee. And I know that I saw a thing that Edgar Wright was a

big he'd watched smaward to Sammy Lee. I think recently he was talking about it on Twitter, and then loads of people I think had done what I'd done and obviously, but what I didn't do because I'm not awful. I wasn't tagging in the Savdi Brothers into tweets saying mate, this is smaller to Sammy Lee. But I think he'd sort of had that power and mentioned it, going right, you guys have seen this, right, And genuinely I think

they were like, no, what is it? And I was like, it's sort of weirder that they haven't seen it, But I dontally believe they haven't. But when you watch it, it's such a kind of it's like it's like a remake of Small Water, Sammy Lee. Really it's a great, great, great, great film. I want to watch that Modern Modica. That's crazy. What. Oh yeah, I'd say watch that before more. Okay. I don't know if you should. I don't know if anyone

should watch more. Okay. I just think it is one of those things where you go, I guess I'm a unique snowflake in the world. I am. I guess I guess that's who it's for. I guess I'm the one who it's for. The Venuel Makecalf. What's a treat you are? Is there anything you'd like to tell people to listen to or watch or read or look out for or do? I would you know? Not really, you know, live your lives, have a lovely day to your standard, comes to your

stad Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on at the hunt Left Comedy Festival in Wales on the first of May. On that weekend. There's loads of other things to see and also like as a recommendation, I can't even recommend it yet because it's not really written yet, but like I'm like, I'm hoping, but like you know, it might be all right, but I cannot guarantee it. I think that's a pretty safe bet. It's a safe Vaniel Metcalf, I have nothing but love for you. Thank you and

welcome back. I love you too, Brett. I'm delighted to see you after all this time, virtually and it's absolutely delight good evening. So that was episode one hundred and ninety three. Head over to patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein for the extra, chat, video, etc. With Nat Goes at Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating, but right about the film that means the most to you and why lovely thing to read as the numbers. Ava Marien loves it. Thank you so much to Nat

for doing the show. Go see his stand up. Thanks for Grupious Pipp and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it. Thanks to Adam Richson for the graphics at least Aldam for Photogragraphy for the photography. You know what I mean, Come and join me next week or I've got a really good guest next week, like always, won't tell you who. You're gonna love it. Thank you all for listening. I hope everyone is well. Anything else we need to know,

not really. I think that's it. So that is it for now. I hope you will have a lovely week and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other. Was cons was concuss