Naomi Ekperigin • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #178

find some positive in it. Well done. Every week I invite special guests over. I tell them they've died, then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone and even bed Bambles. But this week it's the amazing comedian, actor, writer, podcaster, all around star Nami Eck Peregan. Big announcement. I'll be doing a huge live show, Films to be Buried With Live at

the Southbank Center on Saturday, the twelfth of February. Come along, bring a date, It's going to be a great night. Out. Tickets available at Southbank Center dot co dot UK and Plosive dot co dot UK. That's Films to be Buried with live at the Southbank Center on the twelfth of February. Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com Forward Slashback Golstein, where you get twenty minutes extra with Nami. We go deep, we talk about beginnings and endings. You

get an amazing secret. You get the whole episode, uncut and ad free and as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slashbreak Golstein. Tell Last Season two is on Apple TV Plus as well as season one. You can watch it all the Moongo super Bob is now an Amazon Prime as well as Soulmates. Watch all of them. You've got the holidays, make the most of them by just watching TV. So Nami eck Peregan is such a brilliant comedian. She's an amazing actor

and writer. She's currently working on the brilliant Apple TV Plus show Mythic Quest. You can here in that. She started out on writing on Broad City. She's if you've never seen her, I mean look her up. She's got a podcast she does with her husband. She is fucking funny. I am such a huge fan of her and I'm so glad that she did this with me. I loved this one, and I very much hope you do too. So that's it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and seventy eight of Films to

be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by a writer, a actor, a performer, a podcaster, a wife, a woman, a hero, a legend, and one of my personal all time favorite stand up comedians in the flesh. Please welcome to the show. I can't believe we got her. Took all the skills out to invent a fake booker to get her, but here she is. Please welcome to the show. It's the one, the only

It's named me at Bergen. Awesap aw snap, here we go, Brett Goldstein, She's here. Hey girl, Hey, I'm so happy to see you. Thank you for doing this, thank you for having me. Well, I did a gig with you maybe three years ago when I was in LA when I was doing comedy out here, and you don't remember meeting me, which I've taken in in my stride. But you did a routine that was so funny that when I did finally do a gig with you recently, I told you the routine. You'd forgotten it, I said, please

do it again. You did it absolutely took the roof off. Well. That thank you so much. That was so that was so nice of you, because I was It's funny because you know when you meet or I don't know about you. You know, I'm like judgmental and a curmudgeon, right, So whenever I see a comic where it's like, oh, you're famous from TV, but you do stand up, I'm always like, do you do stand up? Or is it just something that people let you do now because you're famous? You

know what I mean? Like I said, will make a waste fantaistion exactly when I heard see a white man thriving, I'm always giving it side eye. So initially I was like, Okay, what's he going to be about? But then you introduce yourself and you like quoted one of my jokes, and then I was like, I love you, You're sweet, Thank you so much. I've always been a fan. I've always good by everything you've done all of its stand right

by it. Thank you, hey, thank you. Now you're doing many things, and one thing you do that is fascinating to me is you have a podcast sometimes a live show with you and your husband where you explain please. It is called couples Therapy. And on the live show we would have stand ups who were close couple siblings, like people who go on the road together, xes do sets together their friendship and that's always a good time. And then in the pandemic we pivoted and now we

have guests on and we answer relationship questions. You know, people call in, they write in, and we just we handle it. Honey. We're here to help you handle your scandal. That's how I feel. I am ready for you. I am a broke ass like budget Oprah, Okay, because I have opinions and I will tell you what you should do even though I don't know nothing. Well that's perfect, I know. So you in the show Mystic Pizza Wow, Okay,

well okay, that was a power move on your part. Okay. Um. It is called Mythic Quest Okay, And it's on the channel. It's on the channel that shoe show is on. But everybody be talking about shoe show because they're like, oh, ain't that gentle, ain't that soccer? But then we out here talk about video games on Mythic Queste. I know it's I was bigger, cheeky boy, I was big. I

like it. Yeah, people mess it up all the time and like someone even like I love you on Epic quest and then it was like, okay, like I'm not gonna I'm like, you're trying to give me a compliment, so I'm definitely not gonna correct to you. You're watching it listen, and for the record, I actually feel not very noted having done that. It's a fucking great show. You're phenomenal. It's a phenomenal show. I know the the the head writer show show writer creates it and she's

amazing and it's fucking brilliant. That s and so sweet. You're just a real you're a man today. You're in top form today, Brett, Well, thank you so much. And you started out on broad City correct as a writer. Yeah, like so my very first job, I was a writer's assistant on Broad City season one and then season two I got the bump up to staff writer and that's sort that's what started my my TV writing career entirely Riddle me this. Did you get the bump to stuff right?

As in that was just the way the thing worked? Or were you like just occasionally saying something that was so funny? They were like, we need to how did that work? You know, it's funny because they they brought me in the season had already started when they brought me into staff, right, so it wasn't like am It wasn't like just the next thing that was going to happen. I think they felt like, you know, they knew me

as a stand up. You know, they knew I was funny, and so they decided to take a take a chance, you know, take a chance and a noon kid. You know, also no big deal. But you know there was a time where, you know, brown people were cheaper. Would be like, well, we'll subsidize a couple of them, a couple of these. So I was like a little like just start whenever, get you in the door, you know. But yeah, so you were very well paid, and they said, fuck it, we could afford it. Let's have it. Yeah yeah, but

you stayed on forever. I stayed, I did. I worked on season three as well, and then um I stopped because I was just like I was like trying to do other stuff and writing and developing, you know, but of course Near and Tear of my heart those girls that show. As a born and raised New Yorker, it spoke to me on many levels. I mean, it's a yeah, what's the word. It's it's one of them. What's the word? You know what I mean? Broad City is one of them?

Like you know what I mean? Yes, stunding and changing the game, game change, a game change. Yeah, it's a reference. It's a reference. It's one your people going to pitch meetings and they'll go, could it be a bit more like broad City? One of them? Yea. So it's like broad City but with men, you know, of broad City with adults, broad City in a school, broad City in a police precinct. Yeah, exactly. That's how we pitched Ted Lesser. It was like broad City but mostly men and football.

And they're like, sounds good sounds good name. Yes, shit, fuck, I've forgotten to tell you something. Oh boy, oh boy, boy boy, what a mess I forgot. I should have told you right at the top. I'll just I'll just say it, I'll say it, we'll we'll we'll make of it what we were. I guess you've died. You are dead, Okay, wait to rip off the band aid? Thank you? Yeah you? Okay, Well, I mean you're dead. Did how did you die? Oh?

Let me see. I probably died due to complications from type two diabetes that I did not take care of in my old age because I eat my feelings and don't value my body enough to really be healthy. Okay, just just before you commit to that, yeah, bear in mind you you're choosing. You're getting to choose how you die. But if that's that's your dream death, then our dream death, I mean, okay, my dream death is don't let me,

don't let me, you know, influence you. But if you want it to be from tattoo diabetes, in your own ease, Okay, Look, that is just the truth and probably what's going to happen if I keep on this slippery slope of ordering delivery. But if I had my druthers, I mean I would die of I would choke. I would choke on a piece of food and I would go quickly. You'd go Mama Cass, Mama Cass style, go Mama Caste style. Okay, do you want to choose the piece of food you choked,

Mama Castyle. Probably deep dish pizza that can get real thick. M okay, so hang on you you were just eating, like eating the crust and it got like caught in your throat. I was taken. I was the whole, you know, taking a bite at the top of the deep dips, not the crust, the deep dish. You know, it's like two three inches thick. You got the cheese, you got the meat, you got the mushroom, you got the tomato. That's what I'm eating, a pepperoni mushroom and too big

of a bite, some of that cheese gets caught. Mama Cass. Did you not want me to have that answer so quickly exactly what my meal would be? Both they both similar answers. What do you worry about death? I do? Interestingly enough, you're talking to me now, like four days after my birthday and coming off of the last things after the last like two years, I've been really thinking about death in the way that I never did before. You know, a global pandemic will do that to you.

But normally I would just see myself as like, okay, you aged, But now I've been thinking of it consciously as you are one year closer to death, and that's not something I like. I don't. I don't like this change in me. How has it affected Has it made you go, I've got to do more stuff, or I've got or is it just a general sense of panic? Both so, meaning it dips in and out of I gotta do more stuff. There's a general panic, and then sometimes it'll be like get this done, finish this, don't

worry about this. You know, XYS is like you literally don't have time, so you know, it just kind of depends on how active I want to be in my anxiety. And there's no part of you. I mean, listen, I'm not I'm not saying. What I'm saying is I'm not saying I have this. But the flip side of it is perhaps for some people less anxiety because you go, well, I'll be dead one day. Well I'm I worrying about this.

I'll be dead soon. M I get that. I have that sometimes too, but that doesn't but that doesn't make me care free. It just makes me make poor choices. I mean. So that's why I'm like, you know, if there is something that kind of galvanized me in a positive way. I'd be all for it. But that's not that's not my that's not how I work, you know what. You know what's interesting. I'm not going to name them. There is an artist. I will not name them. There

is an artist. Let's just say that artist I know, well, not know, I mean a famous person that makes stuff. And they made really good stuff. And then one day I heard them an interview talk about legacy and say, I don't care about legacy anymore. You know, when I'm dead, I'm dead, it doesn't matter what's behind because I'll be gone.

And since that I read that interview, all of their stuff has been ship and I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess if you don't, if you just go, it doesn't matter because I'm not gonna be around to see, do you know what I mean? But I also think it unfroze that person. And they ended up making a lot more stuff, which probably means they had more fun in their life rather than being like everything has to be perfect,

but equally it was. There was a noticeable dip. But if they're having fun, I say, blessed, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, no, I agree. There's nothing that I envy more than's somebody who is mediocre and just out there, you know what I mean. I'm like, God, I wish I could just come out there just half baked, half fast, don't know what's up, but just really acting like I'm somebody. Oh that's it's a real. It's a really wonderful thing to see. And also it's sort of worked. Look,

you're in You're in Hollywood. You see it all the time. This place is built on confident people telling you everything's brilliant and you and and sometimes you believe it because you just go, well, they're saying it must be true. So if you come out stage and go like I am the best, you're like, this guy is good. This guy must be good because he just said confidently he was the best, with his arms outstretched like a christ figure.

He must speak correct, he must see fascinating. Well, unfortunately, it seems to be the reason that you're good. Now to me, it's because you probably don't fully believe it or something and you worry. Oh yeah, you need you need, you need at least one you need at least a base of self loathing, you know what I mean. The base coat's got to be self loathing, then you can

put other stuff on top. But if you don't have that strong foundation of stupid, stupid, stupid, I don't know what keeps you in it, what keeps you in it? I do agree, I do agree. I don't trust people that don't hate themselves. Oh my god. Yes, Okay, Look, if you have never had like suicidal ideation, I can't funk with you. Okay. I'm not even saying you had to try, but you had to have a moment where you thought, you know what, maybe I should check out.

And if you've never had that moment, we will never be close close, you know what I'm saying. Like we could talk, but we ain't never gonna have a soul connection. That's just a fact. Yeah, I'll sit next to you a wedding. We'll get through the meal. But I'm not done sin. Absolutely Like we're not exchanging numbers. We're not exchanging numbers, absolutely not. Don't text me, you know, like

who you could I meet people like that. I do think there are a lot of people in Los Angeles in particular, who are like somebody told them they were enough at a formative age and they're just out. I'm like I'm like, wow, black an extraordinary thing to tell someone. Also do as if also well, but serious but serious question. There is a part of me like, as much as I think, I've been challenged with this, and I challenge

you to it. I challenge you to a duel. The question is yes, self hey, doubt, negative self image, etc. On the other hand, you are doing what you are doing, so somewhere in you is also a competing belief that says I'm good at this, or I should do this or something. How can you explain this dichotomy? Yeah, I said it. You said it, and I heard it. And

here's what I will say. I think of myself as confidently not confident, and I say that in a way that is a step actually better than before, because what I've gotten rid of is the shame about feeling a certain way, you know what I mean? And I think that what I kind of feel like is what I learned early on was that, oh, the more honest I was, the more people laughed, the more people came up to me after shows telling me their issues or like where

they're like, oh my god, yes. And that's what I liked. I realized trying to come up there and act like I was so cool and detached or something which wasn't even true. Was just way more work than just being like, you know, have you ever eaten a half pound cookie and felt like you hate fucked it? Be honest, okay, be honest about having too much talk about it with the room, because once you do that, you remove some of that like shame that makes you feel like monster.

It's more like I'm a person, honey, I'm trying a dang best. What do you What do you think happens after you die? I think you're just in the ground. I think you're in the ground. I think you decompose. Really nothing, so no, no, no worries about the old legacy then no, or rather like I'm not looking right like I'm not like looking down or up depending on how I do. I'm not looking to see like what people have thought. No, no, no, no no, no, Okay. If

I'm lucky, I'm a ghost, are you a ghost? If I'm lucky, I get to haunt someone, So it's a possibility, possibility, But I don't. I don't. I don't think that that's just like what happens, like, I don't think we all die and are just spirits, just floating. Oh you think just some some some lucky for you. Yeah, And what qualifies you to be a ghost? I think a lot of unfinished business and a lot of hate in your

heart when you go. So if you win, like, oh I'm a ghost, it's like, yeah, you fucked up kind of Yeah, it's not great that you're a ghost. Actually it means you've really got a lot of anger and unresolved shit. And you're like, where all my friends And they're like, oh no, they're dead. They're in the ground, right, They're fine, they were fine. So we we've left them, and you're like, well, who do I get to hang out with all the other really angry guys? Exactly exactly right, okay?

And do you get to resolve any of these issues? A guist you're just wondering about furious Look, I would love to think that you would hit a point where you would, like, you know, you would haunt the person from seventh grade who you're somehow still mad at when you're eighty, see that their life isn't all that great slash, they don't even remember you, And then you get to just you know, disintegrate. Okay, that's what I would like

to think. You know that you kind of try to go around haunting and messing stuff up, and then you realize this is so stupid, and then once you let go, you're just like, oh now I'm just dusting wind and then gone, no consciousness, nothing, gone nothing nothing, blackout, blackout. Well, no, mate, I've got bloody news for you. You're wrong. There's a heaven and the people who are good, and that's more

than you'd expect get to go there. And you know what, you made it, kid, You made it right in the door. And everyone in heaven is as big a fan of you as I am. They're all so excited to every one of them. And if having is full of your favorite thing, what's your favorite thing? Oh my god? Ntella? Okay. The walls are made of ntella, the chairs are made of ntella, the floor is made of ntella, The fridges are made of ntella, and inside the fridges is ntella.

And in a way you think, is this too much nattella? But it isn't, because it's heaven, yea, And everyone there a bigger fan of you as I am, and they all when I talk to you about your life, so excited you that they've been waiting. They're but you took a very long time to take on that deep dish pizza. You finally got here, and they want to talk about your life, but they want to talk about your life through the medium of film. And the first thing they

ask you, what's the first film you remember seeing? Nami at Peigan. The first film I remember seeing was Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Yes, I don't think that film has come up on this podcast, and it's about fucking time. It did. WHOA, Absolutely I remember, and I was like, this is amazing because you're already a tiny child in a movie theater and then everything is huge. Giant bee one of the great great images in cinema ant and like when we had to like climb on the ant,

it was just, oh my god. Rick moranis man. Love him. He was a real icon for a lot of us for a while, late eighties, early nineties it was Rick Moranus's time. It was a real sex symbol. Where were you watching this? Where did you grow up? I grew up in New York. I can't remember if I saw it in New York or in Detroit. And I say that because I would spend every summer and holidays in Detroit, which is where my mom's family's from, and so obviously we would go to movies there all the time, and

like the drive in I remember even there. But in New York it would have been like a theater in Midtown Manhattan, because that's what they had in theaters. Do you have siblings, may I ask? I have? I was raised as an only child. Okay. And did you did you see that film with with your mom with her dad? Yes? I saw with my mom. And do you remember being like what the fuck this whole thing? How well you do you remember? No? Probably seven? All right, Sam? And

I think, well, I don't. I don't remember the year it came out. I don't know how much fact checking you do on the pod, but it's mostly fact checking, okay. And yeah, I thought it was amazing. Seeing movies was a big thing that my mother and I would do growing up, and you know, we would even go to we would go to one movie and then we would like sneak into the second one. That was always like we would we would just like sit there and see, you know, we'd get a little double feature going if

we could. Was it? There was a Disney World, Disney World, they had a honey, I was ryking the kids playground, climbing on a giant end, climbing a giant and imagine that's amazing. Yeah, that's worth the price of admission. I imagine it's not there anymore. And that, and for that, I'm disgusted. What what is the film that made you cry the most? Nah me comp again. That's a really hard one because I am very quick to cry. Like, crying is not hard for me, so it doesn't necessarily

have to be. Do you cry in life as well as films? Yes? Easy, absolutely, anyway, Absolutely, easy, peasy, honey. It's always just right at the surface Sunday, just right on the lower lid, right in the lower lid. We're just waiting, ready, just run in the barrel, ready to go. Honey, What in the barrel? Honey? What in the chamber cried the most? I don't know, but I remember the first movie that made me cry? Can I give you that answer? Yeah? I mean it's not the question, but sure you could

give me that. You can give me that. Look. Look, I will take it. Okay. Do you want honesty or do you want the answer? You want to hear? God? That's a great question, and I and to be honest, probably the second would apply to wowow just just I want to hear I don't want to know the truth. Yes, of course I went, honestly tell me miss mister Holland's Opus. Now, this was a movie that I don't think many people saw. Did you see it? I love it? I saw it.

I love it. It's got one of my favorite sequences ever in a film content, which was okay, well this is wild, Okay, so okay. When I was like twelve years old, I taught myself sign language as well as

I could teach it, being signing by myself. My first job out of college was an actor with a national Theater of the Deaf, and I was like the voice of the actor with two deaf actors, and we would travel schools around the country doing show and I would I would sign, I would SimCom sign and voice my lines, and then I would voice for the deaf actors. And then I also worked as an interpreter briefly for a

high school student. So that's not my way of saying like I was just really into deaf culture asl and all of that. And when that movie came out, it was like such a big deal for me. I went and saw it in the theaters eight times, Like I was really just like and I would. I cried every every single time he finds out, like when he's talking

his students, there's a problem. He's talking about those students, and I think it's about Beethoven and how he would like was Beethoven where he's like his hearing went away and he would like feel the vibrations. And then the kids were like, but if he couldn't hear, how was he able to make music? And then he like it's a dramatic moment. He's like, well Beethoven wasn't born deaf, And you're like, oh god, his son, because like all

he wants is his son to hear the music. And then I always cry at the end when he finally gets to play his all of his students come and they play his masterpiece, his master work. At the end, I loved it. It's well. The sequence that I love is when he finally shows tries to show his son, tries to explain to his son, and he puts on he performs beautiful boy yes with sign language and with lights. Ah boy, Oh my god. It was so good, it

was perfect, It was so chey. I was obsessed. Can I ask you, out of interest what you were twelve? How are you when you started learning sign language stuff? Twelve? Yeah, like a like eleven issue eleven twelve did? And if I made like what had drawn you to it? Was it just curiosity? At do nine people? What was it? I was in an after school program and one of the things they had our age group do was they taught us how to sign America the Beautiful that song.

And that was only just my exposure to sign language. And I was like, what the fuck? We could be talking with our hands all this time and we're out here yelling like fucking monsters, you know. Like I was just so into it. And then I bought all these books and in essence, like I wasn't learning aslum, but I was learning like pretty much signed English. And I was like kind of teaching myself with the white with Okay, how do I do the sign? And it's it's a

little wild. I was like, I taught myself sign language of books and then I took a class and then I kind of fell off for a little while because there's no one to sign with and then when I got to call, I got back into it again. That's wicked love It Riddle me this, what's the film that scared you the most? And do you like being scared? Child's play? Whoa child's play? So this day I believe there's like a now it's Child's Play TV show. I want nothing to do with it. That movie terrified me

and I saw it as a child. I saw it in the theaters and I was like, why did they let this happen? And it was like one of those things. And I know I was in the title because the older because my older cousins wanted to go and they were like, okay, just have them sit here, and they didn't know it was gonna be like that. And I was so terrified. If I see his face to this day, like oh, like you just have no idea. I can't

look at it. And then my cousins really got me good because there was this doll that both me and my female cousin got one Christmas called Suzie Scribbles. And this is a doll that like, you know, she's battery powered. You could put cassette tapes in her back and she would write and so it was like you know different, each disc was like a different story or something like that. Fine. Fine,

So I was at my cousins. That's why I had to tell you we both had the doll because I was at her house and her older brothers they come and get me. They're like, Naomi, come upstairs, Susie has something to say to you. So I come upstairs. They turned the doll on. And remember, because you can just put it, you can put a cassette tape in her back right, so you can pretty much just record something if you're you know that evil, And they turn it on and she goes, Hi, Naomi, I'm Susie Chucky's sister.

Wanna play? Oh no, when I tell you, I locked myself in the bathroom for three hours until an adult came home and made me come out sobbing, sobbing, So that like really just made it feel like, Okay, Chucky's out here, he is real, he isn't habit the dolls all around us. Like I couldn't really have dolls like hard dolls after that, or like if I did, I had to, like like Susie, I had to keep her in the closet, like I couldn't even have Susie out here looking at me. I mean, to be fair, I've

never understood a hard dough. They look scary, I wondered without others, they're all fucking scary looking. I don't know why anyone has a hard doll. I won't go. I want this glassy i'd staring thing in my house. I know, I know it's real, horrible, horrible things. Do you like being scared? Not? I like with friends what I just realized I'm loving because I said it in quite a creepy way. Do you like being scared? Like I was offering it up because because I can scare you if

it's my first date? Move like, do you like to be scared? Do you like to feel like your life could be taken at any moment? Drink first? Anyway. I do like scary movies, but I don't like them alone. I like the communal experience of watching horror, so that's so I do enjoy that. Like most recently I watched with some friends, we watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre the OG and that was like really good to watch because it was so over the top and just to have people

around to just be screaming with it was satisfying. Nice. What is the film that most people don't like? It is not critically acclaimed, but you love it and you don't care what any of these idiots say about it. Gremlins two. Yeah, Gremlins two is perfect. It's a perfect motion picture. It is so funny, it's so good. I could watch it any day of the week. Gremlin's two, the New Batch is a masterpiece. Must absolutely, and we keep forgetting to mention it when we say a film

as sequel that is better than there is. Oh my god, Yes, Gremlin's too. Holds up and I'm going to say this about Gremlin's wife. Sure, it's lovely, It's got some lovely moments. It's fucking slow. It's ages before a gremlin appears, and a gremlin is in the title. We know they're coming. It takes fucking ages. Gremlins too, they're like, here we go, let's get on with it. Trump, this is Trump is a lady gremlins, all types of gremlins, gremlin, lady gremlin, okay,

genius gremlin, electrical gremlin, spider gremlin. This is what we call heightening. Okay, this is what we call the promise of the premise, and That's what I love about Gremlin's too, It's completely right. Yeah, and the ending with the lady Lady Gremlin and marrying the guy. Yeah, but also let's just point out not just marrying the guy. I think what I noticed as an adult that I don't think I noticed as a kid was the extent to which the adult human male was like, all right, yeah, do

you know what he was? He literally like acquiescence to the Gremlin's love. Well, I think it decides he will take it. He speaks for the audience because as she gets closer to the camera, you, as audience, go, actually, she's fit. I mean there was a lot of time that I often I would say, like my fitness goals were Lady Gremlin. I was like, I want the body of a Lady Gremlin. Okay, the booty is tight, Okay.

I was like, very subtle six packs. She's in good she's in good, Nick exactly, and I'm like, okay, I gotta be doing what she doing Lady Gremlin's diet to bring that picture in too, Like my Jim, how can you make me look like lady? I'm linna like the Lady Gramny workout plan. I think that's something in it? What is the film that you used to love, like you've watched it recently and you do not like it anymore? And that might not because the film is bad, but

your feelings around the subject anything, right? What happened with you too? Okay? The Truth about Cats and Dogs? Yes, was Janine Garoffalo like you know, in her like nineties peak, and that was a movie that I loved that I would enjoy, Yes, ben Chaplin, well, of course, yes, absolutely, okay, it's a British jeep cut, thank you. Um. He could

get it, you know. Um. But in watching it back, because like I felt like I was Janine Garoffalo right, like I related to her as that character, and I just really felt like this is not fair and this is what life is and oh my god, you can't stand it. And then watching it down, I'm like, I'm sorry, uma, it's not all that fine and ben Chaplin ain't worth all this. I just kind of felt like, you know what, they are bending over backwards, ruining their friendship for a

man who what what take some pictures sometimes? Well he's very handsome, yeah, and he's British. Well, Brett, can you attest that that doesn't mean that much. I can. I can absolutely attest. That will only get you so far and it does not get you any closer to uma or Yeah, a lot of them nineties rum comes when you look back at the MU You're like, the guy isn't worth the fust. Yeah, yeah, the guy really needs to pick up his game here, you know what I mean.

But then I maybe that's the point. It's like maybe maybe the women, maybe we're not talking about it is how fucking shallow these women are. No, what we're seeing is the female psyche being beat down and eroded to the point where they are willing to sacrifice their lives, their jobs, and their friendships for I don't know, Patrick Dempsey. I mean, there are people and it's just like you know it. You know it because I was that. I

was obsessed with rom coms. I was like very obsessed with being in love and like I wanted boyfriends so bad, so I would watch those kind of things and be like, oh, and now, like, you know, I have someone who's committed to me, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, it's a full time job. I can't look after Patrick Dempsey. Oh fucking dag got ship today? What is the film that means

the most to you. But it might not be the film itself is any good, but the experience you had around seeing the film will always make it special to you. Billy Madison is more meaningful to me than it should be. Go on in that I watched it like I didn't know who Adam Sailor was. And this was like shortly after I had started a new school, and like one of the girl who went on to be like my best friend, Like she was like, let's watch this movie.

This movie is so funny, and then it became our shorthands, like we would just quote it to each other, and it was something that kind of just cemented a friendship. And like when I think of her, I think of that movie and it was just it's so dumb. But like to this day, you could just be like if Pete and your pants is cooled, then consider me Miles Davis, and I just think that, and it's like I know that it's not high art, but it really um I feel it in my bones. I feel it in my bones.

It makes me warm. Love it, love it. What is the film that you most relate to near We did talk about the truth about cats and dogs but already, which is like, so my energy. But it's funny. As I was thinking about this, you know, knowing I was coming on this podcast, okay, listening to episodes, I realized that growing up, the movies I loved had a theme which was always like little girl taken out of her life and made rich and or famous, like Annie Annie

the musical musical called Henny. We're talking Mikey for children, they were children Life with Mikey. Okay, if you didn't see that, okay, Michael J. Fox. He is a former child start turned agent for child stars, and he finds this young girl, Christina Vidal, okay, shout out to her, and she's like a pickpocket. She's a street kid, you know. But he's like, you're a good actor because he sees her, you know, hustling people, and he's like, I want to make you a star. And it's like them like going

on that journey. Also, Curly Sue, remember at least I remember Jim Belushi. Hello, just yes, Like that's what I'm talking about. Kids taken from their humdrum lives made into stars. Yeah, I get it. I get it. On the other but for example, you don't like say a Harry Potter kid taking from hundred Life. He's a wizard. You like it? They're rich and famous? No, no, no, I love I love HP. Okay, I do love HP. But you know, I mean I like worlds. I definitely love fantasy and

all that kind of stuff. You know, but that just gets sad because it's not real. I really wish the world of Harry Potter was real. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess so. But also it's well, it's very similar to our world really in its Yeah, but like this idea that you could just hide a house between two houses and no one knows it's the area. You could just flick a wand and stuff shows up. What I want is not to work or struggle. Right now we get into it. You want Jim BELUSI to knock on

the door. It's like, get in the car. You don't have to do anything. It's all taking care of I get it. Thanks, Namick Peagan. Why is the sexiest film you've ever seen? That's really hard for me to say, because Brett, I'm sex negative, okay, and I say that that is just an opposition to you know how nowadays the young people they love to be sex positive and it's like, don't yuck, you're yum or whatever. Look, you can do what I want. I'll and I'll hear about it.

But I am not personally like I find it so tiring. I find it too viscous. I don't enjoy the moisture concept. I just really want to be close. I don't want to have to do stuff again. Dry cuddle at best, yeah, most fully clothed. Dry cuddle from not facing kissed, the back of your heads, kiss on the back of the head, moisty free kiss on back ahead, fully clothed. Oh that's

me so okay. Trying to think of, like what sex scene, Well, maybe you want to, like a sex negative scene maybe, But I'll tell you what was sexy back when I used to have energy. Now. Do you remember the movie Species very much? So that was sensual. There was a lot of sex and she was like, I'm sexy lady Alien, and I must I must have sex with you. Yeah, because she was like trying to make a baby, right

like so that she would have another alien. All I remember is she just kept getting into cases and having sex with people and killing them. And I thought, and it was like the premise of the film was of like what a way to go when it like it was like it was just it was just for men to go, like, yeah, if I knew that was going to kill me towards would do? Would do? Would would recommend? Surprise that hasn't come up on this shows that's a good way today, Natasha Hendridge spiking you through the edge

right through the head after orgasm. Sure, so that's what you're into, that sort of alien murder sex. What? No, it was just a sexy movie at the time that I saw it. Now I think very clear to the killings. Just get to the killing. Skip it. What there's a subcategory. God knows what we're gonna how we're going to handle this traveling bone is worrying? Why does from the sands of all of them? This is a film you found

a rousing that you didn't think you should have. Okay, I got this though, Okay Return to the Blue Lagoon nineteen ninety one, not Brookshields, Not brook Shields nineteen the Return to the Blue Lagoon because it was like were they brother or sister or were they just on the lagoon? You know? And I mean I've not seen it, and they all say underage they're underage preferences, are they? I think? But that was the thing because I remember it was like they were in love with each other, but then

it was like they grew up together. So then I was like, are you buying? But are you biologically read? Because basically it starts like they're growing up and then the mother dies and so they're left to, you know, kind of fend for themselves from and then they you know, kind of they become teens and then kind of like you know, maybe probably what eighteen nineteen, like they don't

get so old. But then it's like, but they're like in love, but it's like, are you related to the fact that I was like, oh, this seems so sweet, but then I was like, is this is this right? It was very trouble. It was very troubling. And also that water everywhere we've probably really prothered you well, no, that's clean, Okay, it's it's human moistures, Brett. Why are you making me explain this? No, Listen, the human moisture is a vile You're right, I mean listen, Sex and

kissing and all this stuff. It's all wonderful until you think about it, and then what on earth what on earth are you doing? What are we doing? And that I think is probably what gets me is because like it really does feel like it's like a flip of the switch when you're like in a sexy mode, and then when it's over, you're like, what was that? Do you know? What it? Music? What? Why am I telling you this? This is about movies. Let's keep going objectively. Objectively,

what's the greatest film of all time? Objectively? Might not be your favorite, but it's the best. This is the proper It's funny. I was actually a film major in car college, so I've seen a lot of like the greats, you know, I had to couldn't really remember him, sister, couldn't tell you much about him. The I believe one of the greatest films of all time is Shaun of the Dead. Yep, I said it, I said it. I

said it. It is a perfect genre mashup, but also has this moments of pathos that are so moving, like you can be in the middle of laughing and then it's like, oh my god, mom has been bit and it was like, oh my god, I'm about to die. And I don't know if you've ever seen how tightly that movie is constructed. Every single thing said in the first five minute conversation lays out everything you have to deal with for the rest of the movie. And I

was like, this is right and tight and brilliant. Oh my god, I just like love it when somebody can just do that. And then, of course, come on, we love that, Edgaray, those little snip snips, cut cut, cut cut, you know, keeping it moving, keeping a dynamic. We love that. Excellent, excellent answer. What is the film that you could or have? What's the most? Over and over again? Can I just ask if someone playing the maraccas in the background, I am so sorry. The dog is digging on the floor,

so she's just having a dig. But I didn't think you could hear it because I love it. It does sound like I wondered if your husband was in the background, just tiggler ring in the background. She likes to, you know, we have linoleum, the finest floors money can buy, and so she takes her little nails and she's always like, having a little dig. What's the film you could or have? What's the most? Over and over again? I guess it

would be this is a real hard one. Mermaids Mermaids Share with No Rider Christina love it, love it, love it, Bob Hoskins. I mean it was one of my favorites when I was younger. I love the soundtrack, everything about it, love everything about Oh oh we love we love that for me and Circle of Friends. Ah Benny A foolish article and just did I need to watch Mermaids again? It holds up, does it? I hope so. I ain't seen it in so long. It does. It's very sweet.

M That's where the sheep Shop song comes from. Yeah, does he love me? I don't know? You know, and you're like, what good share? I won't keep going, refuse what. I don't like being negative? You don't mind it so much? What's this? In a short way? What's the worst film you've ever seen? The lobster walked out during it? Livid, hated it. The whole premise don't make no kind of sense.

They give me this premise, which I'm into again. I love like this kind of sci fi, a dystopian moment, but I would rather you mind that world, because I'm not understanding why. It's like, oh, we both have limps, we should be together. Why is that even the premise of like external things that you like about each other, and then halfway through it became a totally different movie. I left the theater. Okay, I said, Andy, I'm gonna be outside when when it's overcome, get me. How far

into it? Well? You maybe forty minutes, forty five, maybe even a full hour, But I said I can't. I will because I just felt like you're not sometimes just sitting there watching a movie and you're like, okay, I'm here, I have to finish it. And I just realized, no, I don't know. I don't and I just got right up. I say, you don't own me your ghost slant the most? Did Andy state, oh, yeah, he liked it, and what did you do for the for the I don't know. Next hour, I texted people, I said, have you seen

this movie with a lobster? It sucks? I'm outside. Did he come out and say to you, no, no, you were wrong? Here's what when were you? Like? What did I miss? Or like? Well he was he was like you really didn't have that much left? He said to me, He's like, how do you get that far and leave? And then he was also like he's like, yeah, you wouldn't have liked the ending, so I was like, listen, you're in comedy, you're a comedian, you're fucking funny. But

what's the film that made you laugh the most? Okay, did you ever see the movie Dodgeball? Love it? And I thought the dodge Ball was like the funniest thing I had ever seen. There was a time where that was ma jam and I thought it was his racle. Great movie is it? I don't know. I haven't watched a long time, but very much, exactly, exactly, very much enjoyed it. I'm sure it holds up. It's nothing wrong with dodging bulls, is there? No? I guess not. But it was so dumb, do you know what I mean?

It was just so stupid, but so funny. So look, we've learned a lot now. Let you've been You've been wonderful, as expected, You've been an absolute joy. However, oh oh, how old were you when you died? By the way, I died at seventy eight? Okay, when you were seventy eight and you were having a deep dish crust pizza. It had cheese, mushroom, and pepperoni on it, and you went straight to the middle. I didn't quite a curly sort of really understand how you did this. But you

used your hand. You went straight in the middle. Your fingers were burning, but you didn't. Cakes were seventy eight and you pulled out the middle of this pizza and you stuffed it in your saying, oh, I just this was the police report. I took the biggest slice. It's heavy. You know, a deep dish. Have you ever had a deep dish? No? Okay, there it is. We gotta get you some deep dish. All right, we're gonna do that. Patreons.

I want you to rub all your your pounds together, Okay, rub your nickels and coins together so we can get bread and deep dish. Help him out. He just needs just a personal pizza picked up. We like a shovel, yes, yes, And then you you take a bite and it's like so that cheese. It's so much cheese bread, it's so gooey. And that's what happens. So you you you got your shovel,

you folked out a triangle of deep dish crust pizza. Yeah, at the end of it in your mouth, slid it down a bit so you weren't eat in the metal. You bit into it. It was very hot, and you went and you did that where you trying to call it down in your mouth yea yeah, and and then you swallowed it in one You hadn't chewed. It was so hot. You were just trying to get rid of it.

And you saw it too much cheese in your throat and you started to choke and it spread, like, you know, across your whole esophagus, and you were like panicking looking around. No one was there. You don't you were. You were on your own eat in this pizza. Absolutely because because in seventy six years people don't eat cheese anymore. And they were disgusted with you. They're like, everyone's vegan and

you were like, ma, only haven't cheese anyway. You, ironically, for us, the last person who wasn't vegan on a choke to death on cheese, collapsed, pulled the tablecloth with you the deepest onto your face as burns. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, I'm walking past with a coffin, you know what. I'm like, I've gone for a walk and I walked past this deep, deep,

deep deep dish dish crust crust pizza place. And who's that? Like, there's a sort of checks tablecloth covering a body, and also a pan on top of the passon's face, and I go over and I put it up, and I go, it's that is that my old friend name fucking out? And I see how she's I know what's happened to here. She's checked to death on cheese again. I know what's happened there anyway, So you know, it's a tragedy for everyone,

especially in comedy. But I need to deal with this, particularly before the manager gets back, because otherwise it's going to look like a murder. So I get the pizza knife and I start chopping you up to try and get you into the coffin, and I chop you up into lads of pieces. I use the pizza shovel to spade pizza to put you in the in the coffin. I get you're all in the coffin that's covering, and then I put a load of cheese on top of it. I melt it, and then you are. You are a

deep dish coffin based body with a cheese crust. However, it looks great, it smells great. However, it's probably very tasty. However, there's only enough room in this in this now cooks coffin to slide one DVD into the side with you for you to take a cross to the other side. And on the other side, it's movie night every night, and one night it's your movie night. What film are you taking to show everyone when it's your movie night in heaven? Nami, eggperag it go Jurassic Park. Yeah, sorry,

I'm basic. That's okay. People love it. I love it. They'll be so happy to see it, right. I think it's a crowd pleaser in heaven. In heaven, I just want everyone to like me. You're not trying it. You're not trying to fucking make up. You just want them to light you. I get it. Thank me. You don't want to challenge anyone up there. Just have a nice time. You're in heaven. Jesus. I think that's a lovely choice and you're gonna be very very popular up there. So

well done you, Thanks Nami. Before we say goodbye, is there anything you would like to tell people to look out for, to watch or to listen to. Well? Absolutely. I have a podcast called Couples Therapy that I co host with a person I love all right. New episodes drop every Tuesday. I also co host the podcast I Love a Lifetime Movie with the hilarious Meghan Gaily, all about Lifetime movies television for women, and I have a half hour special coming out on Netflix December twenty ninth. Yes,

stand ups, and it does include Brett's favorite job. Oh my god, you gotta watch that twenty nine. That is the bit when no one knows what to do with their lives. That is the time to watch that. You will have so much fun. She is so fucking funny, Nami. I am a huge fan. I'm very grateful you did this. Thank you for being brilliant and to have a wonderful death. Good Thank you, madam. Just keep on keeping on, Britt. Bye.

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be excellent to each other. God bless you, God bless you everyone.