Michael Urie • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #234

I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Brunei Brown, and even CD Plambles. But this week it's the brilliant actor and director and star of Shrinking, mister Michael Jury. The first four episodes of Shrinking, the show co created by myself and Bill Lawrence and Jason Siegel, are available to watch an Apple TV Plus give it go you

will definitely like it. Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Gret Goldstein, where you get an extra thirty minutes of chat with Michael. We laugh a lot. We talk about beginnings and endings. He tells me a secret. You get the whole episode uncut and ad free and as a video and more than that. Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slashbret Goldstein. Michael Yury is a tremendous actor and director. You will know him from all kinds of things, and who we

had the honor of casting in Shrinking. He's been a pleasure to work with over the first season and I was very excited to get a chance to sit down and talk life and death and films with him. We recorded this on Zoom the other day and I really think you're going to love it. It's a cracker. So that's it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and thirty four of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With.

It is me Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by an actor, a Juliarder, an ugly bettier, Prince king Hamlet, a partners, a star of screen and stage, a star of big screen, little screen, and the screen in your Heart, and one of the stars of the show Shrinking, a personal hero of mine. I can't believe we've managed to get him on the pod. Please welcome. Can you believe it's here. It's mister Michael. You're a Oh my god, thank you so much. What an intro. Wow, Hey man,

how are you. It's so good to see you, very good to see you. You're in New York. I'm in New York. I'm coming to you live from my soundproof closet in the on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. For those of you who can't see the video of this, it's a really impressive. But if this is a band who does a lot of voice eiver. You've got full full egg boxes and shit pads, and there's a carpet. But it is just a closet. You can see here cleaning supplies. It's also got mop sagging from the egg

cups and the books. The books I don't choose to display. There's a hand from a play that I was. There's some other here. What was the scary hand behind your head? For? Oh? Well, that's I was in this play where my arms got chopped off and they let me keep the hand. What was the play? It's called Jane Anger, really good play

where I played William Shakespeare very funny. We did it off Broadway just before we shot Shrinking, and in it William Shakespeare pisss off a couple of people and they shop his arms off and push him out a window. And so the apparatus that I had to wear to get my arms chopped off, it didn't make it at the end and they gave me the hand. It was a really complicated piece of machinery. It was like, you know,

heavy magnets and um. And then it was cool. And then we just did it again in Washington, d C. And we call us on Sunday and we had a much much, a much fancier production, much nicer arms that got chopped off. But on Thursday, a week last Thursday, I was bound in the arms. You know, I'm like bound because I had to pretend to have my arms cut off and I slipped on a piece of paper and I broke a rib. So I'm talking to oaken

rib my cool. Yeah, laugh as boisterously as you move, that's why, because it hurts, like No, I'm gonna be very serious. I finished, and uh I made it, and I'll heal and I'll be all better. In no telling, you're a bloody stuff. Didn't you do did you do the play where you play one hundred and thirty seven characters? Did you do that? You mean the Barber streisand play

tell me about the Barbara stic thing. Well, I played Barbara streisand among other people in this play Buyer and Seller, where the writer in the underneath her house right in the moon. Yeah, which is true. She does have a moll in her basement, like a street of shops in the basement of her house, like a doll shop, a gift shoppy, a sweet shop, a dress boutique. And Jonathan

Tolin's is brilliant writer. He imagined that someone got hired to work down there, and so I played the guy and he's telling the story, and then she comes in and so does like the woman who runs her house, and so does her husband, James Brolin and I played all the parts, and it's really funny. It's really very sweet actually because they developed a sort of friendship. But the best part of the play, the funniest part of

the play is she comes down. When she first comes down, because he's down there for a few days before she shows up, he's just like painting up and pretending to like man. The shops. She comes down and tries to buy her own stuff and haggle over her own belong He's like, he's like, how much for this one? How much for this doll and he's like eight fifty and she's like, why are you crazy? That's too much? And

then she shows up. She comes back and she's she says, I found a coupon and she prints out like a fake coupon that's for the exact amount as he put it. All it's very funny. And I did it forever. I did it off Broadway for like a year, and then I did it on tour here in America, and I did it the many A Chocolate factory in London, over six hundred performances of that damn thing. And then I even did it in our living room during the pandemic

as a benefit. We like cleared out all the furniture and we put up a couple of cameras and did it in our living room. Crazy. The thing I often ask people who work in long time productions, how did you keep did you get bored? Six hundred performances? Were like, fucking know, I gotta do this again? Or do you have like a trick to get you into it or was it? How does that work? Well? You know I didn't get bored. I got I did go a little crazy, though,

because I was alone. I think if I had been with other actors, that might have been harder, because you know, you have to sort of rely on them, and and if they don't give you what you want, you get frustrated with them, and they might their performance might change and yours dozen or vice versa, and that can get frustrating.

But you know, like I was my own scene partner, so if I didn't get a laugh, I had no one to blame but myself, you know, like I was set up and I always pied up myself up perfectly. Also because the audience was the audience was really like the other character because I spoke directly to them, and so it was different every night because of them, because they, you know, there was a different you know, three four

hundred people. However, when he showed up that night or whatever theater I was in, and it really did feel like a new story every every night. Wow, youd get lonely? Yeah, back, Well, it's like doing a stand up tour, I suppose if you're just on your own, but you can't change the script. Yeah, one last question about your past, if I may. You went to Juilliard indeed, which as an English person, I don't fully understand what it is. I know it's a big fucking deal, but I don't quite know what it is.

That like, like the hardest chore drama place in New York or something. Yeah, it is, it's the it is the it's the hardest chore drama place in New York.

The kind of what it would be. It used to be just the Juilliard School of Music for like like hundreds of years, and then about fifty or so years ago, John Houseman started a drama program there, right, and the first class was Kevin Klein and Patty Lapone and William They did it right, and they did it all right, and so then it worked out and people have been going ever since. And you know, I graduated in two thousand and three, but we don't call we don't say

class of two thousand and three. You're a group. So like Patty and Kevin Klein their group one, I was group thirty two, and now it's it's almost a group I guess fifty two or oh yeah, I mean it's been It's been almost twenty years since I graduated, So how long is it? Three? Is it's four years? Oh? Years? Wow? Four years? And I got a BFA. But now you can get an MFA. So if you come having already gotten a bachelor's degree, somewhere you can get a master's degree.

I went sort of right out of high school. Was it amazing, amazing experience? Was it tough? Was horrible? Yeah? It was. I had an amazing experience. Not everyone does. Some people don't like it. Some people don't make it all the way through. They quit or they got kicked out. I don't think they did that so much anymore, but they used to keep people out if they weren't cutting it. And I had an amazing experience. It was exactly what

I wanted. I completely fell in love with the kind of work we did, which is a lot of Shakespeare, a lot of Classics, and it was exactly what I needed. It was rigorous, was all day. We would get up early and have movement in the morning, and then voice in speech and then acting classes, and then we would rehearse at night. And it was all day every day. Living in New York, and as I stepped foot in New York. I was, you know home. I was like, this is where I belong and this is but it's intense,

like it's it's a lot of work. It's you know, you spend all of your time with the same twenty people, so you become like a real family. How how many how incestious was it? Did you sleep with everyone? Four years? There's lots of sleeping around and some like real like some people were together for like three years or more and lots of sex was happening, and and fights. But

also we really got along. We were like, we know, we would eat together, and we would you know, hang out together, and then we would fight and it was it was great. And then you know, some people don't don't stay in the business. Some people it's it's crazy. A lot of people who leave Juilliard don't become actors after all. They become other things, you know, they either find another place in the business like directing or teaching,

or or they'd leave the business ALD together. You know, people from my class left the business ald together and doing completely different things now, which is why of group thirty two, how many of them are now actors twenty years well, um, Jessica Chastain. Yeah, he's pretty good. Aboard Winner. Um, Luke McFarlane who's in Bros. Um, Yes, it's good. Using my class. This great actor named Jeff Beale who does tons of theater in New York and has been in

lots of TV. He's still an amazing actor. Um, My good friend Graham Hamilton was Luke Skywalker in Bobo Fette Wow, and they like changed his face in his voice. They sort of like mixed his face and his voice with Mark Hamill. But I didn't like. I saw the show and I was like, that's that's Graham. I could like,

I couldn't all his acting choices. Who else? There's also John Leye and Gardner, Oh, Jess Weisler is um is still an actor will Buy and Brink, and then a bunch of people who like are on after doing other things. So seven at seven out of twenty is pretty good. Yeah, very good. Yeah. Yeah, And there's a few others that I'm not thinking of right off the bat, but um, some people that some people, one guy died it was

just really sad. And then like from the other years, there are like amazing people that have like like Oscar Isaac was a couple of years behind us. Anthony Mackie was a couple of years ahead of using paid And are you still close with any of these people or is it just lovely when you see them. I'm in touch pretty regularly with Jessica and Graham and Luke and I made a Christmas movie together, so that was really fun catch up and like hang out and fall pretend

to fall in love with each other. And but any of them, I would be very happy to see if I ran into them. It's a real thing to guy for you together. Four years of that fucking imotional business. And yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it's it's way more. I feel like it's way more intense than college. And I would say I went to one year of community college in Texas, where I'm from before I came to New York, and a lot of those people moved to New York

and were sort of my twenties friends. And I would say that I'm more I'm closer to that group of people than I am to my Juilliard friends, in part because I think Juilliard, the Juilliard family is more like family and less like friendships, because you don't it's not chosen family. You didn't choose them. You were chosen together, you know. And like my friends that I like stayed friends with and my friends that I've made since Juilliard,

they're the ones I really picked. And that's why, Like there's a few people from Juilliard that I do think of all the time, and I do keep in touch with a lot. But that was like family that I was like, there's like we're more like cousins that we used to like you know, yeah, yeah, and we lived in a while or something, and I'm sure they've seen parts of you that you know, we're very I don't know, it's sort of intimate and like barrassing and when you're

trying stuff and vulnerable and yeah, like such a thing. Yeah, lots of failure. And I saw them behave badly like we behave badly, you know, all that stuff. I'm going to tell a little story for the listener. We wanted Michael Eurie for Shrinking, and we asked him to do a tape for us. But we wanted him, were sort of embarrassed to usk for a tape, but we asked for a tape, and then we got the tape and the tape was so good that I don't know if

you know this. I think I told your partner but that we put back in a line that we were going to remove from the script because you delivered that line so well in your tape. We were like, oh, yeah, that's a fucking great line, and we put it back. Really yeah, yeah, we'd cut it. We'd cut the line because we're like, oh, we don't need that, and then you said it so beautifully. It was like, Yeah, that's lovely, let's have it back. What line was it, do you remember?

I think it was it's in your speech in episode two when you burst into his office. I won't spoil it, but it was one line of that we've taken out, but but we haven't taken out. When we gave you the lines and you said it so well, it was like, that's definitely going back in. Oh my god, that scene is. It's just like, there's it's a cool thing about this show.

And I've been talking about this and interviews and stuff, like, I'm not really in the first episode, but they did give me the script for the first episode when I auditioned, so I read this whole script that I'm not in, or that this character was not in and I was like, fuck, this is so good. Where would I fit? Where on

earth would I fit in this world? And then all of my audition material was basically my stuff for the second episode, but I didn't get the second episode, and so I see all this material and I'm like, what, Oh my god, this guy is world two and like it's so like, it's it's hilarious. He's neurotic, he's sweet, he's he's able to like fake a whole other guy. Like I get to do all the things of this

one episode, and it was so cool. It was so exciting to read a script and think this would be cool show to be and I wish I had a part in it. I wish there was something for me. And then to then get all that material. How did you know? You say you were like you guys wanted me? And then I auditioned, How did you even? Like I didn't know any of you? I didn't. This is the first time I ever got a job. I didn't know anybody. Yeah, I mean we'd seen you. I'd always been aware of you.

I think everyone was aware of you. And some people had seen you on stage and some people had seen it, liked you in TV you've done, and it was always a thing of because I think we'd wanted you for another show as well, Like you've been on the radar, You've been on You've been on the fucking rade out and it was like I think when and when when when we brought you up, It's like, oh, yeah, it's perfect, this is the guy. Oh anyway, we're very lucky to

have you. You're very good in it. Well, I'm going to ask you quickly because I'm sure sure this is all you were asked in the press, which is in case, you know, it's random interviews. How was your first day with Anson food? Were you intimidated? I know you love each other, but was it scary or was it cool?

I found the first day I met him to be scarier than the first day I worked with him, because it's also I mean I did, like I did lose sleep, you know, like in the nights before I was I was worried, but by the time I got there, I wasn't anymore, do you know what I mean? Like I've sort of sort of gotten it all out of my system, you know, like I'd gotten all of the thoughts about

my entire life watching him, you know, like all the things. Okay, don't think about that when you're working with don't think Just treat him like another actor, just you know, like and that's what he doesn't want you to, you know, treat him like he's the star. He doesn't want you to treat him like you know, you had action figures of him. He doesn't want any of that shit. He

wants to just like be an actor with you. And I hadn't been in any scenes with him, and it was just me and him first off, big scene, and I was like, just be cool, be cool. He's he'll eat your lunch if you don't like be cool. And when they called him, you know, he had his own golf art. They called it happened the Captain's golf cart. And I've never seen anyone drive a golf cart faster

than Harrison Ford. But when it was time for us to go to set, even though the stage was like not that far away, I just popped in his golf cart. I was like, let's do this, let's go, Let's let's go. And and immediately like he was, I sat in the front seat. He was like, all right, let's go. And and I had said something like I'm excited to work with you. This is I think this would be really fun. And he was like, he was like, whoall see? And you know, he'd like to put on this like crab

you know, this crabby thing. When you get on set and he's just like a regular you know, he's like, I think, what do you think? And he like he loves he loves asking questions, he loves getting direction. At one point, we're in the middle of the scene and he'd sort of just like stopped and he's like, let's

start over. It's like great, okay, great. And at a certain point, you know, when they were moving the camera something I said, I said, you know, you're very good at this, and he goes, you just thought I was pretty base. Great. He was like, that's what all you real actors think, you know. I was like, you're you're fucking you're a real actor. And he is such such

a good actor. It's like he doesn't get enough credit for being as good as he is because he's a movie star and because we're so accustomed to him, and which is used he does. I remember, you know, a couple of times hearing people making small talk with him and saying things like this must be fun for you to get to do comedy must be really different for you to do comedy, And I just wanted to be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? This is one of the funniest movie stars we've got. Indiana Jones is

a comedy. He's fucking funny. Yeah, he's funny and nice things unsigned it is funny, so funny, it's funny. Yeah, sometimes he's not. Somebody's not funny in the Fugitive, you know, but like he's he can be funny. And we've all seen him be funny. What's what do you think? You know? And then and then and then to see him in Shrinking and now to watch it and see him be so funny and then so so heartbreaking. I mean, some of the saddest stuff in the show is is his stuff,

and one of them I hadn't seen with him. I learned more from him in one second of about film acting than four years of Juliard. He had this scene. It was me and him um and his and his daughter, and I play his his lawyer. He's he's he's you know,

he's um. He's dealing with his estate. He has Parkinson's and he has some some paperwork he's he's filling out with his daughter and played by Lily Rabe, who's so wonderful, And I had the first line, I'm having him signed something, and started the scene starts with me having him having him signed something. And you know, like I have a pretty good idea of where the camera is and what the camera can see, but it's nothing compared to him. And he said at one point, he was like, you know,

just give me one second before you start talking. And I was like, oh, yeah, of course, whatever you need. And I sort of I couldn't really see what he was doing, and I couldn't really see I definitely couldn't

see what the camera could see. But he basically like built this moment at the top of the scene on action before I started my business in my dialogue where he was like lost in thought, just just simply lost in thought, thinking about who knows what, and then he kind of gets it back and he and he joins the and he joins the room and joins the table, and it was something that like I couldn't tell it was happening, really couldn't tell it was happening. Only the

camera could tell he was doing it. Only for the camera and it was like it was brilliant, just like I was like, this man, this man knows exactly where it is and how to and how to give it to the camera. Really beautiful. He's very good. Jessica Chespion told me some advice that al Pacino gave her because that she was in Salomy his like he did Salom the Oscar Wilde play. He did it as a reading forever and he likes to just like read things and

work on things, and he did for years. And she did it with him in La, and I saw it was fantastic, very cool. But he would only never memorize it. He would always carry a script. And that was her kind of big break in La, was working with him in this and then and then they made a movie of it, which like came out like fifteen years later, and she became a star in the meantime. But he said, people always say you should pretend like the camera's not there,

but that's not right. You have to include the camera and everything you do like the other character. And it's kind of like being on stage. I mean, it's sort of like when you're on stage, you have to include the audience. You just you know, like, you know, you don't play to the audience, you include them, and the camera's just, you know, that much closer. And you know,

I'm obsessed with Everybody Loves Rhyme. And we've never talked about this, but one of the reasons I genuinely think Everybody Loves Rhymand is one of the great underrated sitcoms. I think it's brilliant writing, brilliant characters. I just think it's brilliant. But one of the things I love about it is that and you have articulate you in a way I've never able to is that it knows what to do with the live audience in a way that most sitcoms don't like. Like a lot of sitcoms, the

live audience that you hear on screen are annoying. They're almost in the way of the thing. The actors don't react to them that they are this weird. Even though it's not fake, it sounds fake because it's disconnected from what's happening. Whereas in Everybody Laves Raymond, when they get a big laugh, they include the audience. There's a pause, they sort of sit in the laugh, so the laugh is part of the show. It is inclusive within it,

and it translates. So when you watch at home, I find myself joyfully enjoying the live audience in a way that I don't often in a show with an audience, you know what I mean. And I think that's it. I think it's the actor's night. I think as they're mostly stand ups in it or whatever, but they don't break character, but they do sit in the laugh. There's a little glint of like letting the laugh happen, and you feel included in it. And then you think, you're like,

what are they thinking about? And it makes yeah, yeah, that's so good. I'm thinking about like Brad imagining Brad Garrett, like getting a big laugh and just like space going you know, squiggly. Yeah, you're thinking about right now. That makes us and it makes us keep laugh. Have you ever seen there? There's like there's somebody edited on YouTube the Big Bang Theory that they took out, they took out the lab. It's disturbing it oh upset, it hurts

the laugh something. It's so weird because I'd ever watched that show. But somebody will come in and do something really weird and dumb, and then there's just silence for like third seconds. What on earth is happening in this time? And they're just standing there looking at each other and that cuts back and forth. Yeah, oh my god, brutal Michael. I've forgotten to tell you something, and I should have told you earlier. And we've been talking for about twenty

five minutes now, and it's mad. But I haven't mentioned this. It was I think your publicist, and it free for me to tell you. So I'll just say you've died. You're dead. Oh yeah, you're dead. Sorry, Wow, I dead, You're dead. And my promise is to but yeah, probably your probably sayst tell me to tell you. They're preparing a statement that how did you die? Oh god, it's so sad. I was. I was at the movies just now today. Actually, I was seeing The Fableman's which is wonderful.

At least I think it was wonderful. I don't remember how it ended. I was watching the filblems. I was very touched. I was moved. I cried a few times. I was joining my raisin nets and then and then I, oh, I had a little bit of a I was trying not to oh oh, I choked on my raisinet. I mustn't because this is the thing. Because of my broken rib I'm doing everything. I cannot to cough, and so oh oh oh, I must have choked death. And I raised an act because I wouldn't cough. I wouldn't cough

it up. Were you on your ring, you know Ryan was there. He must be devastated. Oh god, I bet he's really sad. And I bet he was going why didn't you make a noise? I couldn't. I couldn't because of my ribs. I didn't want to. Oh. I hope he finished the movie. It was great, it was really doing it. I'd respect him if he finished the movie, I think, is it because it from his point of view, it's like, well, he's dead now. I mean, if I

leave now, he's still going to be dead. If I wait to the end of the film, he's still dead. And I wanted to go on with his life. So you know, start this very sweet. Do you worry about death. I don't worry about what happens when you die. I do worry about the end of life and what that

might entail. And you know, the possibility of being alone and decrepit and unable to actually you know, like I've been thinking, you know, when I had this injury and happened before when I've been sicker, I've had some kind of injury and you can't do things or like it hurts to do, like it hurts to poop, and it's like, oh god, it is this what it's gonna be like when I get old, Am I gonna it's gonna hurt to poop? And like, you know, so that I worry about.

I am you know, I am nervous about about the end of life. And I think about like like my loved ones, like the end of my families, you know, in my if my if I outlive my family or my my loved ones, like watching people die, that I think about. But the afterlife I don't really think about. I don't really think. I don't really think that. I think I think we're you know, science and organ organisms and and that there's just that's that's that, and we live on and like the memory of others and not

in our own spirits and stuff like that. Well you think for you your experiences whence you try and raising it black dead nothing yeah everything, yeah, yeah exactly, and and and the you know, like everything's it's the battery guys, and that's that. And you're okay with are you? Yeah? I'm okay because I'll live on in the memory of others for as long as I do. And you know, thanks to television that's forever and reruns. Well, yeah, you're going forever as long as I betties, you will live. Well,

I got news for you, buddy boy. You're incorrect. There's a heaven and you're going. Even though you weren't a believer, you're going. Oh my god. Yeah, this is welcoming. It is good news, right, and it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Movies? Okay, well it's gone who movies and everyone there is excited to meet you. They're big fans of all your work, but they want to

talk to you about your life. They want to talk about it through the ad move film because that's your favorite thing, and they're just trying to bunt And the first thing they ask you is what is the first film you remember seeing? Michael Yary, I remember I grew up in Texas and I'm from I was born in the Houston area, and my mother also born in Houston, raised in Houston, lived in Houston. A lot of her life. We later moved to the Dallas area and my dad's

from Oklahoma and he moved to Houston. He was young, and we always loved going to movies. My family was a big movie going family, loved movies, really invested in things like that, movies and TV shows, but especially movies. And the first movie I remember going to I was probably like four or five. It was Pinocchio, Disney's Pinocchio on a rerelease, and it scared me. I remember it really scared me. When the boy turns into a donkey. Yeah,

really upset me, really scared me, cried and everything. Not the way so much or a boy come to life, it was the donkey. It was that like he becomes a donkey. That was really really upsetting. But the thing that and that that stayed with me for a long time. But the thing that, um that I actually remember more vividly and more emotionally from that day was that, you know, when we would go to the movies, it was a special occasion. And we didn't have a lot of money.

I mean, we were okay, we were you know, middle class maybe depending on you know, the year, lower middle class. My dad worked for an oil company and was it was off. He was often at risk getting laid off depending on you know, the oil or whatever. And did you have siblings. I had an older sister. She's seven years old, so you know, we lived in very different households because she's like seven. So but when she was going to college, I was starving middle school. So were

very very different experiences. And she was like into sports and not into movies. And we had, you know, so we were very different from each other. Got along great, I think in part because we were so different and we were so far apart. And now she is she's a shrink. Actually she's a psychologist. Yeah, and she has a wife and kids and lives in California. And love her. She's she's she's she's terrific. Anyway, So my mom and I went to see Pinocchio together. It was just the

two of us, and we would go. We would it would be a really special thing. We would get popcorn, candy, Soto, the whole you know everything. We would do the whole thing. And I still like to do that. I still when I go to the movies, I love the whole you know, the whole thing, and it's the best. And I remember at a certain point during the movie, I was probably you know, like it was new to me. I hadn't

been very much and or at all. Maybe at that point it might have been my first movie, or it's the first one I really remember, and I remember I think I was restless, and I think maybe I was getting a little rambunctious, which I was wont to do, and I knocked the popcorn over and it's spilled everywhere, and my mom was really sad about it, and she was really annoyed that I had done it, and you know, like I was probably a real handful then in general,

and she was probably really enjoying the popcorn. And I remember feeling bad even at the time and saying, well, you can have your candy now, and her saying I don't want my candy now. Right. It was I felt so sad and it kind of ruined the whole day.

And you know, I'm sure like she was hoping that the movies would be just as I'm sure that she had all these ideas about what it would be like, you know, watching me watch Poko and getting a break, not having to entertain me for two hours, and then what do I I'm fucking not the popcorn over and she doesn't want her candy, and so like I remember the movie, I remember being scared of the donkey, But what I really remember was like hurting my mom's feelings

and end upsetting her and christ I mean, I can't remember every time I ever hurt my mom's feelings. They're all burned into my soul. An wasn't nice to her, was uncool to her, and that was a big one. You now don't need to answer the question why are you an actor? Thank you? Thank you for retroactively answering that question. Oh my god, like back, that's genuinely heartbreaking. Uh. Speaking of heartbreaking, what's the film that made you cry

the most? Are you a cryer? Yes? Yes, And it's been a problem today with this ribb in shrink because it hurts to cry. I cried, actually I was just before I got on with you. Ryan and I were watching we didn't see the Golden Globes last night, and we were watching speeches from the Golden Globes and they all cry, um, but um, I do cry. My dad cries at everything, but he like he like, he like gets emotional, like the national anthem, you know, or like

any war movie, you know Hallmark commercials. Yeah, so I cry. I cry quite easily. But the movie that will always get me is ET. And I know exactly. It starts the second It's the music and everything about that movie, but it's the second E makes all the boys fly in their bikes at the end of the movie. Yeah, And it just gets worse and worse as I get older, And it starts there and it doesn't stop until the black hour at the end, until the end of time. I am. I haven't talked about ET on this podcast

for a while, so we can talk about it. But like, I find that film so traumatic, Like I think back to my dad taking me and my sister to see it, and I remember thinking, why are you doing this to us? Like why are you punished? Like I'm crying, so I'm so sad. Why what made you bring us to this? You months? It is so traumatic? Explain you're thinking, Dad, it's like four years old. What what part have you thought? This would be a nice day out? That is so funny,

so upset, it's so sad. There's so much sadness. There's so much sadness in that film. And then the horrible separation of Elliott and ET. It's really devastating. That's really devastating. And when he gets sick, oh my god, when it gets sick, it's so sad. It's so sad. And then he gets better, but then he has to go, so it doesn't He may as well be dead because he's getting late dying that vine. Yeah. God, have you seen the deleted scene with Harrison Ford? Yes, I have, I've

forgotten it. What I forgot that I exists? The teacher? Yeah, And I think you don't see his face. Is that right? You don't see his face because you don't see any adult male faces until Peter Coyote at the end. That right. I think that's right. And I believe Harrison was married to the woman who wrote ET. Yes, he was, Melissa um Mathieson Party. No, that can't be right, Melissa Manchester. I think it's Matheson Manchester math Matheson, Yeah he was, Yeah he was. Oh. I mean. The other one that

I feel similar about is Matilda the musical. I think that's the saddest thing since at I don't know why people think that's fun. I'm like, is the saddest story ever tell? So sad that poor girl and the poor woman, The poor woman. Oh yeah, everybody in that story is so sad. Even Miss Trench was. She's so sad. I know she didn't. She wasn't going that way. Someone that way, people have paper. Someone terrible made her pick up a child by her pigtails. And what's the film that scared you? Device?

Do you like being scared? I don't being scared. I like a thrill, like a rollercoaster. And I do enjoy like like a cheesy horror movie like I just saw Megan in the theater, which was really right, really, but and I can really appreciate a movie like Alien and on second viewing, especially once I know where everything is, like where all the scares are, I really can enjoy a movie. Or sometimes if something's really scary, I'll ask what happens, Just tell me everything that happens so that

I'm ready for it. But I'm I will let close mine. I will, like you know, shield my eyes because I'm I'm afraid of being scared. And Ryan, my partner, he loves scary movies like he will watch any of them, he will watch all of them, and he's obsessed with them. And so when we first started going out over fourteen years ago. We both love movies, and so we were like watching movies and going to the movies, and and I wanted him to, you know, I didn't. Why didn't

want to. I didn't want to put a damper on any of our movie watching experiences. So I let him pick movies. I picked some movie that let him pick, and he always would pick horror movies, scary movies, and I was like, you know, it took a while before I finally had the heart to tell him, you know, I don't like these. They really upset me. Um, can we please, please, yes, please keep dating me, but please can watch the comedy or you know, like musical or a tear jerker. I'd I'd love that, but I can't

watch anymore of these scary movies. They're so scary. In fact, he took me to one of our first dates. I think our first time going to the theater was Twilight, the original Twilight, which is not scary, but I thought I thought it was going to be scary because he said it's a vampire movie, and so I was like, oh god, and we're like in the dark, and I'm so scared. And then of course it starts so I'm like, well this is this isn't scary at all. Ended up

being a teeny bopper movie. But the movie that scared me the most, Yeah, Ryan showed me was a movie called The dece Do not the Descent. It's full. That movie's terrifying. Yeah, it was terrifying before the Goblins or whatever. Yeah, like it was the first hour. It's terrifying. It's the spelunking like thriller. All these people going into these caves, spelunking in tiny little areas, getting stuck and wedged, and

the cameras right in there with you. And then there are demons and goblins and ghosts in the tiny caves killing people, breaking bones, ripping off flesh, and it's so graphic, or in my mind it is. I don't even I mean, maybe it wasn't as graphic as I thought it was, but I can still see breaking bones and hear them, and I see blood, and it's so like it's still like seared into my memory. And and I would do

this thing. I did this when I was a kid too, whenever, like somebody would want, because my dad likes scary movies. Whenever they would put scary movies on it. I would do this where I would sort of sort of leave the room, like I would just sort of step out, like get like like get further away from the TV like it like it would protect me. Or I would like literally go in the other room and like just peek.

And this happened during the descent. I kept leaving the room and going into the kitchen and like doing nothing and like be like, what's happening now, you know, like like what what what was that sound? It's like woman a posit? No, no, posit. That's fine. And then he finally was like why do you keep going in there? And I was like, I'm scared shit out of me and it is. And so he still gets me to watch scary movies from time to time, but he has to like talk me through them or or tell me

everything that happened. Sometimes I'll like google the movie before going to see it and just like get all the you know, if you can do the common sense media, you get like the parental advisory exaction of it that will be cracking of skin. Okay, forty three minutes your eyes forty three minutes is an impale it and I know it's coming, and you can sort of tell them. It's like like like some movies they like, they like build to a scare and that I can do. It's

the movies where something comes out of nowhere. And like ever since Meet Joe Black. You know that movie Meet Joe Black where he gets hit by the bus. Yes, that was that. I think everything is pre Like you know they say Psycho is the beginning of modern movies. I think it's Meet Joe Black, because ever since Meet Joe Black, someone can get hit by a bus at any moment. You're not wrong. Ever since Meet jo Black, people stepping into rights is a scary thing now because

then it did become a thing in films. Yes, an yeah, people were often suddenly getting hit by things when they stepped into right. It's you're right. And so you see someone step into a road and you can't see, you can't and they don't look, they don't look both ways, and you can't see. They might get hit by a car and it happens so often. People They use that so much in movies Final Destination, Oh, yes, scary, Mean Girls, Mean Girls, Yeah, all the horrible. What is the film

that people don't like? It's not critically acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally. Oh well, so there's kind of a lot. I do have a tendency to watch movies that people don't love, and I sort of become obsessed with them, or like I can't stop thinking about them. There's this movie and I don't know that it wasn't loved, but it would be, you know, kind of they would kind of laugh at me for saying so anything with Nicholas Cage.

First of all, I just think he's really really good movies. Yes, and I think you've talked about this on this podcast. You've talked about this movie before. I've heard you talk about this. But there's a movie called cohn Air. Yes, konnect. Our friend Kristin Miller said Connor was trash, and for that, I say, Kristin Miller is because kahn Air is lawless. And it was it was at that time when when these big Michael Bay movies were coming with these long

shots and lots of explosions. The Rock had just come. I think I think Conne was like right after the Rock. And con Air, of course, is a movie about a bunch of convicted criminals hijacking a plane, and Nicholas Cage is the good guy who was you know, I don't think it was wrongfully accused, but he was thrown in jail for like defending somebody or defending his wife's honor or something like that. He was like a Green Beret

or whatever. And he's on the plane and he's the only chance that the guards who have now been taken prisoner have to survive. And it is so thrilling. John Malkovich being rams and then like John Cusack on the ground is the FBI agent on the ground trying to like you know, and I love every second of it and I can't I can't get enough. But it is People off say that it's not a good movie, and to that, I say, that's wrong. It is. Nicholas Cage just made lots of them. He's another there's another one

with it called Knowing this movie. Yeah, well he knows when the end of the world is. Yes, it's like the number twenty three film. Yes, I saw that movie and it became so I became obsessed with it, so much so that I went the next day. I saw twice in two days in the theater. I became so obsessed with it. And it's it's probably not a very good movie, but I just couldn't get enough of it. I'm made Ryan go. I was like, we have to

go in to go. I can't stop thinking about this movie once a film that you used to love, but you've watched recently and you've gone, I don't like this anymore. This is a tough one for me because it's a movie that I not only did I love, but it was like, you know, one of those movies that you see in your teens that makes you want to be in movies and be an actor and like and it was actually ruined for me by a teacher from Juilliard.

I know it's Forrest Gump. Okay, so that's interesting. I go on, tell me, so, I loved Forrest Gump and Tom Hanks a hero is a hero still and it still remains a hero for sure. And you know, he went back to back oscars for Philadelphia and Forrest Gump. And I was like thirteen or twelve or something when Forrest Gum came out and we all went like, you know,

it's like this incredible thing. And I remember, you know, it was one of those movies that came out when I was a teenager where it just fired on all cylinders for me, and I remember thinking, this is this is this is cinema, and this is what you know, I want to do with my life, and I want to be like Tom Hanks and make you know, a movie like Philadelphia and a movie like Forrest Gump. And then and then it came up once in you know, a discussion in a class at Juilliard, and this teacher

said she didn't like it. She said, that's not a good movie. And we were all like, what what are you talking. She's like, no, it's actually not a good movie. And her reasoning was that it trivialized history by putting one character, and specifically this kind of a character that's essentially, you know, like an arguably offensive portrayal of an individual who is learning impaired and putting him at the forefront

of all of these huge historical moments. That it actually trivialized history and trivialized this person by by making him sort of fall into history this way. And I don't

necessarily agree. And I have seen the movie since and I do still feel the same things I felt, but I can't watch it without thinking about that it has completely colored the experience forever for me, and especially any of those seen he's on the deck Cavs show, or he's meeting you know, Nicksoner or Jfker, or he's you know, on the steps of the mall for for the Vietnam

m marches. And it's just like, I can't help but think this is be trivializes history and it and it's insulting to two people like Forrest Gump, and so it's kind of been ruined for me. So it's not quite I haven't quite changed my opinion about it, but it's tainted. She's tanted it. She tinted it. She tainted it. This woman tainted it. I had something he loved and she tainted it. What is the film that means the most

to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but the experience you had around seeing it will always make it special to you. Mister Michael Yury, I have a lot of feelings around the movie Titanic. I don't think I you know, like it came out when I was in high school. I went with my high school girlfriend. It was like one of one of these fantastic dates.

And then he was re released when I was with Ryan went to Juilliard too, but he went when after he went much later than I did with the same age, but he went much later, and he wants like skipped school for us to go on a day to see Titanic, And so I just feel like as a movie going experience, that movie meant so much to me in my like romantic life between my you know, like my first love

and my my major love. And but there's a movie that the experience of going to see was so thrilling and so surprising that it kind of reinvigorated my love of going to the movies because I always love going these And then, like you know, I became more of a theater person, more of a TV person for a while.

And then I went with a big group of people to see Mad Max Fury Road Right, which is like a pretty much perfect movie, so thrilling, and it's it's essentially this movie is essentially it's essentially two long chase scenes. It's basically all it is. It's like a chase in one direction and then a chase in the other direction. And there's a part in the movie that's like forty five minutes in where it stops and it has been going NonStop for forty five minutes and then something crazy happens.

There's a crash or something. It fades to black, and there's a break based like a scene change, like a blackout. And when I went to see it, I went to see it in a big group of people, like a group of like a cast of a play. It was like twelve of us, and it packs theater and that happened, and we didn't really know. We were like, let's go see that whatever, let's go see a mad back. I've never seen any of the Mad Max movies. It was not on my radar, but I'll see I love action movies.

I'll see any and I'll see anything in a group, and here we are seeing Mad Packs. It starts our you know, it makes our our skin melt for the first forty five minutes, and then this crazy thing happens. There's a crash, it sort of fades to black, there's like a flare. I think that like goes out, and then it's suddenly quiet, and this is a packed house.

Three hundred people audibly exhaled at the same all of us, like we had been holding our around for forty five minutes, and we audibly and then we laughed because we heard each other like tail at the same time, and then we all laugh and then the movie started up again and it's sort of slow and then and it is just And I've watched that movie many times since then, and I always feel that at that point, and it was it was one of those like, Oh, this is why we have to have movies. We have to go

to the movies. We have to be there together, and the more people the better. Like I like going when it's packed. I like seeing a packed being sitting in a packed house. And I like when people talk to the movie. I like I like when people call out, this is so exciting. I love that. And that was just a throw. That's a very good answer. What's the film you mice relate to? So I would say the

film that I most relate to is Billy Elliott. Please elaborate because because he's a no than he's a little than British boy who would say, I mean, I get it, I did get it. It's just a family of miners. Um, I know, I know, I know, but I was this kid who you know, there were no other artists in my family, right, there's no other I mean, I had an uncle who was a poet, but like not no performers and no nobody in show business. We liked going to the movies, but it was a complete, you know,

it seemed like a whole different, you know world. It was like there was no way to get Hollywood, Like there was no way for me. Getting to Hollywood seemed impossible. And in the last few years of high school, I started to you know, like get good at acting, Like people started to notice me. I started to get laughs. That's what it really was is I would be in place and I would get laughs, and I was like,

that's so weird. I just tried something and they laughed, and and it was I think because of that that a teacher encouraged me to audition for Juilliard. And my parents were like, they didn't understand. They had saved up enough money for me to go to a state school in Texas for four years, and that covered one year of Juilliard. That was a number one year, and the rest was just debt and you know, student loans or or um scholarships or whatever. And Juilliard's really great about that.

They really help you and you know, steer you in the right direction. But I remember my my my parents being like when I said I went to an audition, they were like, we don't know how this could work. We don't know how we help you go to Juilliard like and I was like, you guys, this is crazy. I mean, I'm not going to get in. It's so it's such a hard like thousands of people audition and they only take like twenty I'm not I'm not going to get in. Don't worry about it. And my mom

and dad were like, we think you might. And that was the first time that I was like whoa because they didn't know, you know, they didn't know what to do with me, just like Billy Elliott's dad doesn't know what to do with him. Thank you. And and and then Billy Billy Elliot came out when I was in school. I was I was in New York. I believe I had already moved to New York. And I saw it.

I just sobbed and saw it and sabbed and and I just related to him so much, this little like this little kid who doesn't belong and you know, not that I was different from my family in general, but that part of, you know, that part of me that wanted to go off and be an actor in audition for a drama school and become an actor that was very different, and they didn't know how they were going to pay for it. And then I remember, you know, when I was all through college, I would call my

parents every Sunday. And one Sunday I called it and they said, have you seen this new movie Billy Elliott? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I saw it, and they were like, oh, it made us think. And my mom said when it ended, oh no, I think she said. At one point your father turned to me sobbing and said, that's just like Michael. And and that was when I was like, wow, they saw it. I saw it, and it was like it was it was and then and then they, of course, like like Billy's dad, they ended

up being really supportive. I mean, we didn't fight like they fight. Wasn't it was, it was you can't. And then I haven't seen it in a long time, actually, and I should watch it again because I'm sure it would make me just weep again. That's another heartbreaking story. You kill him, You're killing me. Funny Billy Elliott anecdote. M there's this wonderful actor named Will Blum in New York.

He he just finished understudying Beetles Juice and he was my understudy and torch Song and he's really really good and really funny, and he does this thing. He got stoned ones. I think it's okay that I say this. Um he got stoned ones. And he became obsessed with the idea of saying Billy Elliott with only one syllable, and so here here's here's my version of it. It's Billy Elliott with one syllable. It goes like this, but

I hear it. It's all there. We're waste in time when he's less Michael, let's get into why we're really here. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Yeah, let's hear it.

So I thought about this one because, uh, you know, like I thought about the movies that like helped me sort of with my my like adult more adult sexual awakening, you know, when I was really discovering my queerness and which was which was probably you know, ultimately later the movies like Each Mama Tummy in which was like that was oh my gosh, wait a minute, wait a minute, there's a girl girl, but there's also boys and and then a movie like Um Love Fell or Compassion the

great Terence and Natalie play where there's all these naked men and I'm seeing penises and all this stuff. That was like really like WHOA, what's this? This is so exciting. But but I think the movie that like one of one of the movies and and and one that I feel like both made me corny and sexy and kind of made me gay and has a wonderful correlation to us and our lives together is Working Girl, starring the Great Melanie Griffith, Sigourney Weaver, and our pal Harrison Ford.

It has an incredibly sexy performance by Melanie Griffith, who is like effortlessly sexy. She can't help it be sexy anywhere she goes this like sort of stoic and cold and unappealing sex from Sigourney Weaver, who is like a brilliant actor but like not really actually very sexy. And then Harrison has one of the sexiest comedy scenes when he takes off his shirt in his office and the entire office is outside. Remember this scene, He's he's come

back to the office. He's been in his clothes all night and he comes back to the office and he's

changing his shirt. He has a spare shirt in his office and there's all these windows in his office to the rest of the office, and he takes off his shirt and he's like wiping the sweat with his old shirt, pouring water from a picture and like and then he looks and all of the secretaries are outside watching and he looks at them and they all applaud and he's on the phone and he sees them applauding, and he goes and he liked takes about so hot, so sexy.

But there's also a scene where Melanie Griffith, well this is scene Melanie Griffin's vacuuming naked, which is really cute. But there's another scene she walks in on her boyfriend at the beginning of the movie, Alec Baldwin, and he's having sex with somebody else and they're like totally naked. And this is a movie that like, I watched because I loved the movie and I thought it was fun and exciting, But then this scene came along and it's

really sexy. Alec Baldwin and this woman I don't know who it is, and they're having sex and she's riding him and it's really sexy. And I we were thinking, this is like, you know, when I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to watch certain things and certainly didn't really have porn. We didn't have the Internet, we didn't have porn. And I remember this was like a safe movie I was allowed to watch. I had it on video and I could watch that scene whenever I wanted,

and it was really hot. And it's also gay cannon. This movie is gay cannon because because Melanie Griffith is essentially like a drag queen, she is like essentially this female freak in that that would inspire a generation of gay men. A woman who is beautiful and sexy and brilliant but doesn't have confidence and doesn't have any privilege and finds her way into the workforce in using her smarts.

And it's the kind of a it's the kind of a character that you know, like gay men over time, you know, like like the Joan Crawford characters and Betty Davis characters will would glom onto and would emulate. Of course, there's Joan Cusack, and then there's sexy Alec Baldwin, and then there's sweet and wonderful Harrison Ford and I actually had the opportunity to tell him that the movie with um and he was like, what is that even mean?

But I think when I think about like when I think about sexy movie, that one that one always comes to mind. It's such a good movie, such a fantastic film. What about the subcategory? And traveling by is worrying? Why Dunes filmy founder rousing? You went, sure you should? So this one is, I would say The Little Mermaid for a few reasons. Ariel is so very sexy, and she's also a child. Like, not only is she a cartoon and a mermaid, she's a teenager essentially, so like like

way too young. Yeah, not right for me in a million ways, but like she's so she's so hot. And then her Eric guy is so sexy. There's all these sexy mer people all over that movie. And then I don't know if you remember this, but the poster for The Little Mermaid, like the art and you can look at it now and you can see it's it's like a city underwater, like an underwater city with you know, mermaids like splashing out and there's all these other characters

and stuff. But in this city there are buildings that are phallick, that are fully phalli and she's she's come, that's come everywhere. Now I think about it, and yeah, there's like foamy foamy spray everywhere. And I and there was um when I was in high school. You know, that movie came out probably when I was in like elementary school, in middle school. But when I was in high school, I remember going to a girlfriend's house and

you know, looking at this. She had the VHS and we looked at it and she was like, look at all these penises, and she was like, you want to watch this movie, and we will put this movie on, and then like and then like fooled around to that movie something like it's like, this is not We're not supposed to be having sex to this movie. This is so inappropriate. But we got off on the famous buildings and then and then all these sexy little murk people.

I get it. So I get it objectively though objectively, what's the greatest film of all time? I think objectively Jurassic Park is the greatest film of all time. I'd say, you're correct it really, It's an answer I wouldn't argue with. I've seen it many many times. I saw it in the theater like nine times or something. I've seen it many times since then. I've seen all of its sequels

that that are the pale in comparison. But it shot for shot, performance for performance, graphic for graphic, the music, the production, the story, it's flawless. It's just incredible. It is. And it's still scary. And the dinosaurs still look reeler than in anything since. They look realer than in anything in any Lord of the Rings, in any Game Thrones, in any subsequent Jurassic Park movie. Yeah, and it's funny, and it's funny. He's got real good what's the film

you could or have? What's the mist? Ivan Iver? Again? It's Batman, Jack Nicholson, best batman, you know, incredible joker. It introduced me to Jack Nicholson, who's my favorite actor? Is he? Love that? Love him? He's fucking great, He's fucking amazing. And I often, many times a year, will look back on his movies and and I'm heartbroken that we haven't had a new one in like twenty years. Has it been twenty years? Well, I don't know The Departed or there was. I think The Departed was maybe

his last movie. It's been a lot. What about something's got to give? Who was that that shit? At least ten? At least ten? What is are we then to be negatives? Would do it quick? What's the worst film you ever seen? Focus focus? This is a movie yeah, going at Middler and um there, And I didn't see it until a few years ago. And as a gay person, I can say that we're all wrong. I gay people love this movie.

We're wrong. It's fucking terrible. It's atrocious. It's trash. Take it out of the guy cannon than it should be out. You should go. It should come out and working its place. What's the film? You're a comedy, you're very funny. What's the film that made you laugh the most? It's Arthur? Oh really, Arthur makes me laugh. There's actually a line in Arthur where he laughs and someone says, what's so funny? And he goes. Sometimes I just think funny things, and like,

sometimes I think about Arthur and I just laugh. And I have a few friends that we'll just quote Arthur all the time. I think the more complete genius And that's one of the sweetest, funniest movies. I watch it at least once a year. Usually more and it makes me laugh every time. Every scene so funny. Do you like Arthur two on the Rocks note as much? Okay? And I didn't see the refused Michael Yury. You have

been wonderful as expected. However, when you went to see The Fableman's and you were having a lovely time with your guy and you've broken the ribs, who're try and be quiet, and you're eating your raisin nets, and then you started choking on a raisinet and you thought, I can't it's not I don't mind making a scene. You were thinking, if anything, I love making a scene, but my rib hats, so I mustn't make a noise. And stupidly it meant no one noticed you collapse. You died

on the floor. Ryan sat there, looks down and he goes, fuck, you know he's dead. But I am enjoying this film. I won't say anything to the films for this. He gets so caught up in the movie he forgets that you're there. He leaves, thinks he saw it. I'm wandering around with a coffin wondering I think going to go to the next screening of The favor Mons because I wanted to see it, and I'm bumping. Sorry, I'll sit down, Okay,

fucking out? Is that Michael Ury? Oh he's dead, poor bastard. Anyway, you your throat was swelled up from from the choking, your ribs sticking out, So I have to get a couple of uses. I say, come over here, we better chop him up. We chop you up, we stuff you in a coffin. There's more of you than I was expecting. For sure, it's absolutely rammed in there. There's only enough room in this coffin to slide one DVD into it for you to take across to the other side. And

on the other side, it's movie night every night. What film are you taking to show the movie people of movie Heaven? When it is your night, Michael Yury. On the other side, we're watching the Great Milo's Foreman film Armadaeus. Behold the masterpiece. That is ards perfect film. Congratulations, you've you've passed now before we say goodbye. Is there anything people should look out for and watch other than shrinking?

On Apple TV? I have a fun voice with your pal Hannah Waddington in Crap Popolas and wigm Yes, crap Popolas. I'm brilliant, great which is on Fox coming to Fox, fantastic. Um, I play the Messenger Guard Hermes and very funny show. She's so good in it, and um, and then I'm also in the movie of Jersey Boys, the musical The four Seed filmed on stage starring Nick Jonas's Frankie Valley. I don't know when that's coming out. And then Shrinking,

Michael Yury, You're brilliant. We're lucky to have you. God bless you, sir. Good day to you. Thank you so much, such a pleasure. So that was episode two hundred and thirty four. Head of the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward slash Brett Goldstein for the extra thirty minutes of chat, secrets and video with Michael. Don't miss the first four episodes of Shrinking, now available on Apple tv plus. Go

to Apple Podcasts. Give us five stars. But instead of talking about this show, talk about the film that means the most to you and why some people have been writing some very beautiful things. My neighbor Mauren really appreciates it. Also special mentioned to Stuart Goldsmith, who has been on films to be Buried with in the early days. You can look back at that episode. He's also the host of one of my favorite podcasts, Comedian Comedian Podcasts or com com pod. He's got his own special. It is

called I Need You Alive. You can find details for it at Stuart Goldsmith dot com. It is going to premiere worldwide online the twenty third of February at eight pm with an online after party and a meet and greet with Stewart. Check it out. Thank you so much to Michael for giving me his time. Thanks to Grubious Pippen the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it. Thank you all for listening. Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics

and Lisa laid Them for the photography. Come and join me next week for another smash her of a guest. Thank you all for listening. I do hope you will. But that is it for now. So in the meantime, have a lovely week, and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.