Leo Reich • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #285

Look you, it's only films to be buried with. Hello, and welcome to films to be buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, a director at Chocolate Malt, and I love films. As Aristotle once said, knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom. Knowing it's cool to go to the cinema on your own is the beginning of all great movie trips.

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Every week I'm invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant that most of them. Previous guests include Kevin Smith, Barry Jenkins, Sharon Stone, and even Ben Bambles. But this week it's the brilliant comedian and award winner and star of his own HBO special mister, Leo Reich. Get over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get an extra

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He's bigger than that picture where Kim Kardashian had the champagne on her bum from above. He's a legend and a superhero and one of the greats.

He's here. Can you believe it? Please?

Welcome to the show. It's the wonderful is Lee all right.

Oh my god, what can I say now? To live up to that superhero?

You said you are going to have to speak because it is a podcast.

So yeah, that's a shame, isn't it.

Hopefully we'll come up with some stuff at fill the time. It's lovely to see you. Thank you for doing this. You're in London, I am in New York.

Thank you for having me. My god, thank you for doing this.

We haven't really hung out before, but I did see your show, which is now on HBO of all places I know.

Can you believe it?

I can't believe. It's fucking amazing, What a cool thing. I saw your show at the Soho Theater theater and it was brilliant.

It was fucking brilliant.

Thanks. It was so nice for you to come. That was That show was the biggest out of body experience because it was half like comedians like yourself that I admire, and a nervous perform in front of and then half everyone I went to primary school with.

Oh my god, what a night there show, A fucking night there show. It was really weird, which is worse, which is worse? Doing it in front of comedians are doing it? In front of people who went to school with.

If you had to pick, I think they're bad in like exactly opposite ways. Yeah, well, like the comedians, you really really want them to like it and think that you're cool and interesting, and the primary school people you kind of almost want to not like it and want to be like, if you don't know me, I'm not just a little kid anymore. I'm crazy. Do you know what I mean? I don't know. But it felt like a dream, you know when someone from your primary school turns up in your dream.

Yeah, did you have this that the primary school people would sort of heckl like this isn't you?

Yeah? Kind of what. It's also like they didn't say that they were if you ever had that thing where someone doesn't say that they're coming, but then does sit in the second row. So it's like the first five minutes of the show with me walking on to the stage and being like, oh my god, I haven't seen you since year four, and now I'm going to deliver an hour of jokes about anal to you what. It's very true we have a very strange relationship at this point.

Oh my god.

Also, people that you don't know well or people you haven't seen for many of the years are always the people that say, hey, we'll come to your show in Heckel.

I know you always go.

Like, why why do you? Hey, why do you say that? B why do you think that a fun thing to say?

And see? Why have you said that?

They also always turn up to the worst ones, Like it's always like your first work in progress of new material and there are four people there and you know all of their mothers. It's like so strange, Yeah, why are you telling us this stuff? And I guess I shouldn't. I mean wish I'm very grateful and I hope they.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

But isn't the fear of having a bad gig in front of anyone? You know the thing that I had. I had a bad gig a while ago, and it was like the first bad gig I'd had in fucking ages. And it's such a like profound thing because there's no way when an audience doesn't like you, there's no way of sort of explaining to them that you're good at this, Like it's such a weird thing where you sort of go you can't say, oh no, I'm I'm funny because they're going but we don't. There's no evident. It's the

You want to get to want to get up the reviews on your phone and be like this is good. You do realize this is good, right, this is good.

Honestly, there are other people, but it's such a mad sort of existential feeling where you're sort of like, well, I guess you're right, I guess this.

Is I know you're so numbered as well. You're so outnumbered by them, all of them and their little seats, crossing their arms and frowning, thinking that are so clever, And yet you just want to go like, I'm replacing you with all new people tomorrow and I love it. Why not be more like them?

That's so funny to shout an audience. Tomorrow's people are going to fucking love this. Well.

Also with your show, listen, and I say this genuinely, I can't imagine you ever having a bad show for a number of reasons. And it's very high energy. You're show, and it has music, and it has dancing and has singing, and it has it's kind of so forceful that I can't imagine an audience not getting on board of it.

But do you ever have like a oh my god, bad show.

Yeah, that's very sweeting to say it, but that is not that's not my lived experience of performing the show. I wouldn't say it was. It's usually fun. It usually got fined by the end, But especially when I did it in the States, there was a real thing of like because it's all like kind of ironic, and it

Anyway, Yeah, Because I think the more I think about this a lot, like I know they are like comedians who like a real sort of low energy deadpan, sort of throw it all away. And I always think when you're like that, it's like, well, it's easier to have a bad gig when you're like that, because you can sort of pretend you're not doing anything and be like, well, you're menta laugh, I'm not doing anything, whereas and then

Yeah, totally. In Edinburgh, there were a couple because you know, that classic thing happened where I got a couple of good reviews really early, and then the late show, the latest shows in the month got like booked up by like and I say this with so much love of my heart old people who in general don't like to show so much. And there's something so devastating about by the end of that show, because I was in a

Oh god, oh that makes me stressed. Can I say something serious about your show?

Yeah?

And we can, and we can cut it if it makes me uncomfortable. I thought about your show a lot after. It's very, very funny, and it's very like it's it's just like a wild ride and it's really fun. But actually we thought actually that it was like sad as in that there's a kind of howl. If I may be so serious, it's sort of a howl in that it's so ironic, and it's layers of irony and only and it's kind of seems like a scream into the void, like what what can we do?

Like what matters?

Because it's so hard to make sense of it all that there's layers upon layers of layers. Now that it's very hard to be sincere and to be emotional because everything's become so.

Diluted. I don't know what the word is, layer layer, layer, dilute.

At taking that context moved into things that what what are we is? What it's sort of like. It actually like was quite sad. Ye, like a statement of the times is that that's so?

That's yes, I mean it always makes it sound so unfunny, but I think it's it's hopefully meant to be that.

I I okay.

I've wanted it to be sad.

Definitely, Okay, Yeah, it really depressed me.

Yeah, okay, yeah, great, okay, great, great because sometimes people if the other weird thing about doing it like so many times is that people have really weird reactions to it. People would go like, oh, it was so great because I have a son your age and he's gay, and that made me feel way better about that. And I was like, what that made you feel better about it? Okay, it didn't make me feel better about it. I'm scared for your son.

No.

It was definitely like like a kind that I guess that the core of it is, like you said, like a kind of inability to be to say anything that feels authentic or to speak about the very like real material problems that we all know are going on, is that it's just impossible to find any language that feels like it can deal with those problems we'll talk about those problems in a way that's affecting or interesting or doesn't feel kind of shallow or kind of like an

Yeah, well it's fucking great. Yeah, I mean it really did. It was like a really really really fun ride, really entertaining, and then at the end I was very sad.

Yeah that's my favorite reaction.

Yeah.

It was depressed for a week. So thank you very five starts. So you comedy depressed for a week. No, it's brilliant. Are you starting.

A new one? Are you made a new one? Do you feel incredible pressure of a new one? Given the massive success of the first one.

I haven't started a new one, but I think I don't know. I've been talking to other comics. I want to how how do you feel about it? I feel like I want to make it really different to the first one, and that might take a really long time.

Interesting, Yes, I think, well, do you know what if I may serious answer, I think that's brilliant, and do exactly what you want, and you're an artist, and continue to be an artist and follow whatever thing you want. I think there is a strange reality oft them with critics. I think where basically, if you do something different, some of them will be like, well I liked the other thing. They're just going to compare it to the other thing.

Yeah, it's weird. Comedy reviews are so strange. That's a whole that's another podcast. But that's what way up to what are they doing it? Every single one has something baffling in it. I've never read a single review of the comedy show where I haven't been sort of baffled at at least one point by what they've chosen to say.

Yeah, it's like with anyone, anyone who talks about comedy.

I will not name the person. There is someone in comedy that I know lots of people that like slag this comedian enough and they go he's rubbish, and they go.

Well, he's not. Like he takes the roof off. He does exactly the job of a comedy. I've been in the room. He's an amazing comedy. You might not like it, but he is a good There's no how can you you can't look at the roof covered off?

When it's like when people I always get really annoyed when people are like, that's not comedy, like the reviews like, that's not actually comedy, Well well it is. It might be like you can say it's bad, but we are all watching it and it's comedy.

Yeah.

It feels like a kind of like I know, it feels like people think they're doing something really clever by going actually, actually, if you really think about it, that's not comedy. It's like, well, actually I did think about it, and it.

Is h It was currently and I love Yeah, so you haven't started a new thing, like it's a big deal. You obviously built that show, you did for a long time and it has been a huge thing. Have you let go of it? You've done with that show. It was a joy to let go of having done it.

Right, to be honest, Well, also because I was because it's first show. It's like classic first show thing where pretty much every joke you've ever written isn't it? Or everything that you thought was good enough to say on stage isn't it? And I think that there's at least one joke in the show that I think I probably weren't right when I was eighteen, and I'm just like, that is enough. We can't be saying that I'm an

Something could be not saying no, well there is something I forgot to tell you actually go on And I was thinking this when I first, well, M when we first loved John and I we were setting up. I probably should have told you then, because I did make a note of it as well, Oh you've died, you're dead.

You're kidding.

No, I'm actually not. You're dead, fully bark just a lot of my plans. How did you die?

I walked off something because I was on my phone, like a peer or yeah, off a peer, because I was on my phone doing so. I was sort of engrossed and looking at the names of the people who viewed my story. I think probably, Well, so.

You're like, you're in Worthing. You're in Worthing, peer in you. They left a little gate open and you were like, looking down. Your friend just walked off the end of it.

Yeah, but at least now I get to have on my gravestone he died as he lived walking along Worthing.

Peer looking at looking at.

It's own story, I would say, actually I would. I'm going to come out of saying that, by far, the person whose Instagram stories I view the most during the day is my own. I'm perstantly tucking back in at my own Instagram story. So I think they're trying and do that thing. Did you ever do this way, you're like, what, like you try and almost forget that you've posted it, and and try and look at it with the fresh eyes of a stranger, being like, what would I think of me?

How often do you chuckle to yourself looking at your own in the story and say wistfully, that's brilliant?

All the time, all the time. I'm also also sometimes if I'm having a sort of like crisis of personality, I'll just scroll through my own Instagram page to sort of remind myself sort of what I'm like your successes.

So you fell off worthing pier was the tide out? You just smashed into some ruck.

Was out yees?

So I hit rot, Yeah didn't.

It wasn't even a dramatic splash situation.

It was just full like thud.

I think it was more dramatic because of the rocks, to be honest, but yeah, I don't.

The sound was different. People didn't notice for a while. Yeah.

You know, when like a ball hits wet sand, that kind of like horrible. I know, it's so humiliating to die with a thwack as well, It's.

Like wow, God, that's tragic, But I mean it really helps the sales of your special.

Yeah, and really is the point of being alive away?

Yeah? Do you do? You do you worry about death? No?

I actually don't. I worry about.

And this is going to be so profound, goat.

I worry about being alive more than I stitch that on a T shirt. Scared of death, honey, I'm scared of being alive.

Totally fair, very scary the death.

Death will be a huge relief to us, I mean, to me, and do I imagine many members of my family and close friends. Just get it done, you know what I mean. I'm so I'm so anxious. It'll be like heaven. It will be literally like heaven. It will be literally like heaven. Yeah, that's it. That's a heart take. It is scary being alive, it's scary being life. But that's just so your your view of death is not gonna be scary, and that's nice. Yeah, I don't think

Whereas death it's like.

That all day.

There's more than Yeah, that's true.

Don't you worry about don't worry about a thing.

Death has a real kickback quality, like just have a strap, Like you know you can walk around.

You don't need to take your phone yet You've.

Got to tell exactly, I don't think i'd use my phone even I think the whole I think.

I think I only use my phone.

Because I'm trying to maximize my time on earth in some way.

So when people ever say stop looking at your phone, your answer is life is finite.

Yeah, yeah, I often say that to my mum. But dinner, life is finite number of chances to look at my own Instagram story. This is brilliant tomorrow, yeah, brilliant.

So you do think there is enough to life? That's pretty chill? After life, I don't know.

Well again, I feel like because I feel I'm sort of in this relaxed space in general, I would genuinely say I don't get the kind of why is everyone so hysterical about whether there's an afterlife or not? I don't care about that. I've never I'm like, yeah, maybe, but guess what, I'll be dead and everything will be endless. It doesn't matter anymore.

That's interesting because I guess when people like people like God, I hope there is, those are the people that probably want more life.

They just want to be like, let's not worry about that exactly.

And it feels like they're forgetting when they're talking about an afterlife, they're getting the crucial element of the afterlife, which is that you're dead.

Yes, well, you don't like the word life afterlife. I don't like the word life after life. You're hoping for life after death. You don't want this stress. The fundamental quality of it is that you're not alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

It feels like a case of misssold, you know, but I'm really miss selling that.

Yeah, it's just afters. You just wanted to be an afters.

It's a it's an end afters.

Just everyone fucking mumbling on pills. But yeah, well good news. I suppose in a way it depends. There is a heaven, but it's like an afters and the good bit, and it's filled with your favorite thing.

What's your favorite thing?

Food?

Right? Oh, it's food.

It's like a it's like a giant buffet, but like COVID free, just a huge buffet. It's like a mule, you know, those like around the world buffets. But it's good ship.

I love that. That's a real like childhood holiday thing to me, of like being let loose on around the world buffet.

That's what it's like.

The individual cuisine is like butchered in a way that you couldn't possibly imagine.

Yeah, no area accurately represents the country it's supposed to be rapping. Yeah, that's what That's what it's like in him and yeah, yeah, and you'll love it. And everyone's very excited to see you big fans. They love your instant stories. When you arrive in Heaven, they're chuckling. They're looking at it chuckling again. That is brilliant. And then you walk in and go, my god, it's here, and they all want to talk to you about your life, but they wanted to talk about your life through film.

Leo Rai. The first one I remember seeing is Finding Nemo Shit the Bed. Yeah, that is a hardcore first film.

It's a hardcore first film, and I remember it. I'm not it can't be the first time I saw so I think I must have been like four or five, but I went to the cinema to see it, and we were on holiday and it was disney Land, Florida, and they did one of those like five D experience whatever things where they're like spray and stuff. And I don't know if you remember the beginning of Finding Nemo.

It's a devastating film. It's fucking heartbreaking. For most of it. Sure there's a couple of jokes here and there, and there's some lovely side characters, but it's a devastating film about a father trying to raise a child.

Heartbreaking.

I mean, it's also, of course one of the best films in the world. Yeah, because it's at the same time absolutely fucking hilarious. It's so funny. Batfish cannot remember a thing. That's hysterical, that fucking idiot, your audience are going Dory love write it.

Down, Dory, babe, listen, thank you.

For this thne you've forgotten something you're pitying, but.

Then fucking Dory makes you cryet just when you think you're saving it. Always safe with Dory.

Some brilliant voice acting from Ellen, I think, and also ingrained in my memory, which is actually a very clever meta element of the film. P Sherman forces you waller we waye s didnety, We'll never get it amazing.

So what is the film that made you cry the most? And how? You a crier?

A huge crier, huge crier to the extent where I feel like, as a connoiseur of crying in films, which is maybe my favorite thing to do, in the world. I feel like there's two answers to this question, because they're happy cry and there's sad cry. There's like kind of oh my god, the joy of being alive. It's also moving and beautiful, and to me that is it's wonderful life. Of course, is that the quintessential on my hands and knees, just balling my eyes out from minute one?

It is a cruel trick of animation where you're like, I don't know why at any point we assume we're going to be all right with a cartoon, given that all of the cartoons are absolutely devastating.

I know, I don't know. There's something, there's something in my brain that sees a cartoon and goes, this can't hurt me. And then cut to an hour and a half later, and two children are mourning the loss of their hometown being destroyed in a nuclear war.

Have you ever seen when the wind blows, when the wind Blows is a film by the man who made The Snowman, and it is a British film about a lovely, very sweet, lovely couple living in their house and a nuclear bomb goes off in the distance and very slowly off the course of the film, they die of nuclear poisoning and its fucking horrendous and it's just them going like.

I would just make a nice cup of tea.

And when there's they started sort of coughing and.

I feel quite I feel quite tired. It's fucking but.

You do think, I mean, that is the kind of stuff you're getting pitched at an afters someone is off and going, yeah, I just wanted I just want it to be about the mundane decay. And it's a metaphor for how life, in a way is just slowly dying.

And you're like, God, who are you do? I meet you at the club and he goes, I made this snow Man. That was a hit? Okay, yeah, what were you? Why then? Aren't you old? What is the film that made you cry? No?

What, we don't know. What is the film that scared you the most?

Do you like being scared? I love being scared? Do you like being scared. I love being scared in films. Yeah, and films I love it. I don't know why, I guess a little. I don't know. But the thing that I think there was like a moment you know when you start watching scary films and it is genuinely gutturally terrifying because you haven't like learnt the tricks yet, so

It's psychotic, fucking great set piece. I was again recently holds up that is like a masterpiece ten minutes days so good.

So when her boyfriend's on to watch, oh my god, yeah, I remember watching it.

I also had to add to it, I watched it on a plane, which is terrible in general, but.

Also the fact that it scared me so much and.

I was on a plane and I was watching it in a tiny screen on the back of someone's seat. It still I was like, oh my god, someone turned the lights on on this plane. It's too dark.

Everyone.

Genuinely, it's a great good answer. What is the film that you love? People don't like it, critics don't like it, but you love it unconditionally.

What is that film? Right?

It is the film and its sequel starring Steve Martin and Genreno, The Pink Panther.

Huge.

It's don't think it's ever come up on this show. Please tell me everything. I am steamer in Fanty. I die love him so much, Please talk to me.

I think we have memory holds it as a as a culture. What I will say about the first Pink Panther film, and I've actually spoken out about this previously because I feel very passionate about it, is that Beyonce is in that film and performs an original track right that is not available anywhere online, but is so good called a woman like me. It's the production value is so high. Steve Martin is doing. It's just giving his all to every second of offending French people, both in

Because you're having a laugh. I'm having a laugh.

The materials so about that it circled back to being kind of boundary to make fel to honestly, to make Beyonce stand there while while Steve Martin go sit you up. There's a bit where where Beyonce has to react to Steve Martin going into like a recording studio that he thinks is soundproof and then farts really loudly and then comes back out and she has to like act like she hasn't heard it. And if you just look at like just sort of see that from the third person

Wait.

Listen, a man going into what he thinks is a sound proof booth's objectively a very funny idea.

That's brilliant. Cool, that's brilliant. Listen. Also, people were like, how dare he do pink Panther?

The Great Peter said it, I may be so bold as to say the original pink Panthers ain't that great? Dare I say it? We're not talking about flawless man, They're quite boring.

And it's also like you've made the pink Panther look like a joke. It's like, yeah, yeah, of course that's the whole concept of the pink Panther. Is that stupid stuff happens all the time? Are we going mad?

What is the film that you used to love but you've watched recently and you've gone, I don't like this anymore, Thank you very much.

This is hard because it's not happened to that many things.

It's not that it doesn't hold up.

It's just that it's like it's not hitting my nervous system in the way that it did when I was fifteen years old, or watching like Django Unchained, being like this guy is the cleverest man who's ever lived. He's taken a story about history and he's changed parts of it. Whoa and he says, everyone so rude.

Everyone is very rude, very rude.

Yeah, I remember, I really remember going into school the day after I watched Pulp Fiction and being like, guys, you will never guess what I discovered a really hidden gem last night. It's basically this art house classic about how violenceism is really fun to watch.

That is it fuck interesting?

Tell me this, Leo right, what is the film that means the most to you? Not the film itself could be ship, but the experience you had around seeing the film will always make it meaningful to you.

Leo right, Well, this is my first repeat answer because it's it is.

It's wonderful life and I can't watching.

The pick Bath again. It's a Wonderful Life, which I watched every Christmas Eve with my family m and grandparents who come from Wales. And there's a thing in it. There's a specific moment in it where he goes where George Bailey goes to the school dance and you've seen him as a kid, and you've seen Mary, his love interest, also as a child in the candy store and she whispers in his ear. George Bailey I love you till I die because he's got a trick ear and I

Ah, George, would you dance with my kid's sister. He'll get out of the thrill of a life like that kind of thing. And then the camera and he's like, I don't want to dance with her, And then he stops in a sentence because he's seen her across the dance floor and there's this shot of her face and it's the first time Donna Reed appears in the movie, and she is a lit like she's an angel, and it's like just the strings swell and she's smile and.

She stops talking to the person. She's talking to you, and it's like incredible. And every time that happens, my granddad makes this noise and it's just like the most beautiful thing in the world.

Shit, man, yeah, shit, you make me cys.

It's like, all right on, cue my Grandda goes.

That's so sweet because he's.

So overwhelmed by her beauty and the romance of the moment.

Okay, well you've got that answer, correct, Well done, great.

Thank you.

Next, what is the film that you most relate to? Oh?

This is this is any film where you know, one of those films where the reviewer is like, yeah, this is okay, but at a certain point you just feel like the main character is so unlikable that that is why are we following? Why should we care about this entitled brat wandering around doing nothing? Yeah, and I'm like, it's me. It's me. Oh my god, it's me. It's me in the worst person in the world. It's me,

Have you written a play?

I have written a play.

Are you going to put in a play? Now? Is that what's next? Ruling it out? Are you gonna put Yeah, I'm putting a place, put a play. Putting a play. You just have to make it not boring. And that is the real challenge of a play. I'm sorry.

If we're gonna put on a play, we're gonna put on a play. We're gonna make it boring.

Okay, we're doing a proper play.

I want to do it right. If I'm if I'm taking it up to the theater, I want to. I want to. I want to honor the art form and make it extremely boring. Okay that everyone hysterically laughs up supplot Wise, nothing's going to happen.

If you would summarize it would be like one night in a two old friends reunite and nothing happens.

Yes, and it's about the death of the American Empire.

Yeah, okay, we can bang that.

Yeah, it could easily be an hour, but it's going to be four hours, and with no change to the addition, no, no more incidents happen over the next three hours.

Yeah.

Perfect, And at the end the sun rises very slowly in the background in real time.

I think it should be in blank verse as well. It should be fully Shakespearean.

Fuck it, hell, God, even listen, I'm a yes ander, And when you said that, it made me sick. It made me sick and go, I don't know if I even yes.

And I wanted I wanted to have that that if I ever do a player, I wanted to have. You know, when you see a Shakespeare play and they do the kind of they try and make it funny, and they do the sort of cheeky Shakespeare voice to the audience where they like and do me a set for a for a wondle of sticks or whatever, and you're like, what, don't say that to me, like I meant to know what that means, because I don't, because that's old language. Stop trying to bring me into this. I'm not in it.

Stop trying to pretend that this is fun all right, looks fun for it? The fool is this fucking handley? Stop trying to pretend this is fun. I'm not an idiot.

Yeah, exactly.

Oh, what's the sexiest film we've ever seen?

Sexy films so few? This was really I was thinking about this and I was like, there are so few actually sexy films.

Sexy films, really there's I can't agree, but I can't agree. I find it fascinating. There's not many people in podcasts. It comes up occasionally when people go like, I don't know films are sexy.

I'm like, am I a sick pervert? Or are you mad? One of us is mad?

Wait, what's what's your answer for this?

What do you say? Any film?

Any film? I find it sexy when people are speaking Spanish. So a sex scene in Eating Mama Tambien, I think it's really sexy.

That's at you get it.

And also law of desire. I really like that. I'm mode of our film.

Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, you get its sexy bits in that. I think that.

I like that maybe more because there are sexy bits in that where people aren't having sex, but it's still there's a bit where she gets drenched with a hose and it's like fully pornographic and she's not, she doesn't, No one's naked, No sexual stuff is going on, but it's still somehow like the hottest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Yeah, she's getting drinks with a hose. I can a minute.

It does sound yea, as I said, it sort there's nothing about it.

I was like, this isn't the sort of mundane situation that I'm billying it?

What about traveling bone is worrying? Why I don't a film? You found it rousing? You weren't sure you should? Maybe that's any film for you?

Yeah, I mean Frozen maybe? What?

What? What?

What the fact this sort of incest element is that what's traveling?

Little there during those people very nice, I would say, very nice, very nice, that big, the big reindeer man, the princess, it's all, it's all working. The other thing.

Well, this is all. This is just a weird crush.

That I have at the moment on someone I watched Are you there, God, it's me Margaret?

Great film.

Loved it, absolutely, loved it so good. Every film should be like that, in my opinion. But I weirdly had a real crush on Benny Safety in that nice choice. I think I said it to my out loud, to my family, thinking everyone's going to agree with me, and everyone said, that's one of the weirdest things I've heard in my life, because I think they've intentionally dressed him ugly.

But then he's a good dad in this sweet man. He's kind and he's trying. You know, he's gentle and he's rugged. He's doing stuff in the garden. You know, he's trying garden.

He's getting a little muddy in the garden.

Yeah, he's getting dan. That's your thing.

Well, I think for somebody who doesn't think films are sexy, you've really got this correct.

I don't.

I don't think that. I don't think films aren't sex.

I just think it's like really hard to get it, to do it right. Like there's there's rarely a film where I'm like, this is genuinely they've nailed the sex.

Have you seen Out of Sight? And George Cloy.

I'm going to get on it. Well, this is the other thing. The other thing that I think ruined sex in movies for me is when people are too hot, If the actors are too hot, like, if you look at this is where the Marvel dies whenever like Marvel. And it's why I can't really I haven't seen that, Sidney Sweeney.

Yeah, anyone thing, anyone but you.

But you, Because I'm like, if I saw either of these people in real life, I turned to dust. It's not real. It doesn't make sense to me that you'll also with them with like that male physique.

You go.

Some part of my brain goes, I can't see with this person. This person spends all their day in the gym. They don't have time to something with me.

Yeah, yeah, I've wondered that about. That is a fair concern.

Yeah, it's like a really big timetabling issue. I think involves there's a scheduling conflict. Every day you're having a scheduling conflict, and that's not a healthy relationship. Oh I can't come to dinner tonight because I'm doing an ab workout and having athletic greens.

Yeah.

No, I want to eat something with loads of butter in it with someone a good four notches more ugly than that.

I don't think Glenn Powell is the one for you. I think Benny Safety is a saber choice.

I think so can you break it to Glen Powell?

I will, and he's going to be fucking furious, but I'll let him know it's important not to lead him on anymore. No, Yeah, sorry, what is object actively the greatest film of all time?

This is also so hard, obviously the hardest question in the world. You say, singing in the Rain, right, that's the that's the house answer. Yeah, that's I think that's pretty good. I think that's like the that's probably the best answer in the mix. I would say all about Eve maybe nice, very nice, but the anything about that is like, there's it's I feel like the best film ever has to look pretty sexy. You have to be able to like draw to mind like a classic image.

Any frame from it on your World.

No, yeah, exactly. And whereas something like Bridge on the River Kwai or Lawrence of Arabia beautiful you got you could have every single frame there's a dream.

Lawrence of Arabia is burging. Great, Yeah, go on, there's no joke.

I want at least one joke. Probably.

I think there is one joke in Lawrence of Arabia, and I can't put my finger on it. I'm sure there's like an early bit where he's being charming, where he says something vaguely humorous.

Yeah, I'll go with that.

Then I'll say Lawrence of Arabia, even though it's sort of I'm sure deeply problematic in a myriad ways. But the bit where that one transition where they have the match and it turns into the sun.

Yeah, guess what.

I'm sobbing again because that's that's incredible.

The fire of the match stands into.

The far of the sun.

Are you kidding me?

Imagine coming up with that. They must have been jumping for joy.

By the way, in our play, that's what is at the end one of his lights of match, and then the background is a real time sunrise, real time and it takes an hour and we sit in silence.

That's genius. If we can pull that off, will have done a fine play.

We'll have done an actual play.

Yeah, which is kind of a ceiling doing a player. I think that's pretty much. We did a play. It's pretty much even all you can say about doing a play.

Yeah, they really did a play. I was very bored. What is the film that you could or have? What's the most over and over again? This is a repeat.

That's okay, it's well, it is probably it's a wonderful lifecause I watch it every year. But what the one that I'm always like, oh, stick it on is for Weddings in the Funeral.

That is a fucking great film for Weddings in the Funeral. It's so good. It's so in and structured and directed and acting. It's fucking funny. It's really good and kind of.

Valued. Yeah, because of everything that came after it.

It's got a little bit of everything. Yeah, yes, like I really I'm a huge fan. The bit where Christmas got Thomas is wearing a black satin slip dress in

In their honey, Yeah, it's like Chloe in Smallville. Yeah, it's about fours and funeral and I think it's Mike Neil. There's something about it's like this is a fucking classy film as well, like it feels like something about the way it's shot and it feels and not cheesy. There's something very like it's quite cool. That's a great film.

Like the style of it, the kind of clothes and the haircuts, it's all like shabby enough, feel like they're real people in a way that later, which are Curtes films, you're like, you've done shot like shabby is the point, but you've paid a billion pounds for that turtle neck jumper, whereas in Four Weddings it's like you truly picked that up in a vintage shop and you look like like a guy I know you, Grant weirdly looks like a guy I know in that it's a hot guy that I know for sure.

Sure looks yeah wrong, a fuckable guy. Yeah, that's its right. Yeah, it's not glossy.

And people's hair is bad, like their hair is like fully bad as some of those characters. And they felt were stuff that doesn't really fit. And the weddings are like nice, but they're not clean. It's like they're in a big marquee and you can see like bits flapping off the marquee. It's still really nice wedding, but it's not like, oh my god, they clearly have a production team making sure that that bit doesn't flap.

Yes, I mean it's got flappy bits. That's what makes it. It's the flappy bits.

And then at the end she says, is it raining, I haven't noticed? Great job done, incredible film, and he reads trouple the clocks in the middle.

Yeah fuck, and that was huge And now that's the very thing that happens a lot.

That's a w h Jordan on the map. No one cared before.

And also she's so in love because it's really raining. Yeah, like it's not it's not like a drizzle. It's not spitting like it is a torrential downpole and she has a nice like that's love. That's really raining, brave, like you know what I mean.

That's that's for Weddings of the Funeral too.

What is the worst film I've ever seen? Let's not be too negative, please, but what's the worst?

Not be too negative? I have such real hate. Well I thought that. Well, again, there's kind of two ways of film can be bad. It can be bad because it's like this is badly made. That acting is bad, the script's bad, you know, the room style or like Highlander two whatever, and you kind of have a laugh watching it, but it's not. It's not super serious. It's like, oh my god, these people made a bad movie because

Made this.

One film that really is the pinnacle of both bad and both ways. To me is I don't know if you caught the film's sucker punch when it came.

Out, the Zack Snyder dreamskate Girls in This Island being very hard in fighting.

I haven't actually seen psycher Print.

Truly, and my experience was probably the best cinema experience I could have had because it was after school. I was maybe fourteen, and I was having this like weird, sort of psycho sexual relationship with a boy in my school, and we were sitting next to each other and he was fully feeling me up through the whole film. So I should have loved it. I should loved it, And yeah, I was so turned off by the character development on screen. Then it made the whole experience really just traumatic.

Were you like whispering? I'm so sorry. These backstories are making me flescid.

The one thing I will say about Soccer Bunch, which I I sometimes go back to just sort of make myself feel more. I guess karma in this job is I watch it. I'll watch the trailer and I'll remind myself they let him make another film off this. Someone let him do that many films, many many films after he made Truth. I really recommend it. It's absolutely insane. Every sequence is somehow bad in like seven different ways, but like ranging genuinely from like morally reprehensible to just

There's a bit where they all do a lap dance that is so hypnotic that they manage to escape the prison kind of sex dungeon that they're all enslaved in. It's sort of the hints that it's feminist at certain points, but everyone is in pure leabra.

It's just nuts.

Are you sure this isn't the greatest film ever made?

It actually walks that line sometimes sometimes you're like, wait, is this genius? And then one of the characters will say one of the lines that they've written and you go, no, no.

It's well, you're in comedy, you're very funny, you're a bloody award winner.

What's the film that made you love the most? Right?

This is really like. This is a basic answer. But unfortunately, I do think that it is just true that the funniest film in the world is Brian's Maid.

For me, it is it's so fat. It hasn't been beat since. I don't think I don't think so.

I think so.

I just really and I've seen that film maybe twenty times, and every single time I'm like, and it's really entered my vocabulary in such a big way that I will do the intonation of oh Helen does the owner just every day of my life.

The rhythm of it in me.

It's so great. Yeah, there's one thing that annoys me Aboutriseemas I speak on that. You can speak to this? Can I speak to this? I speak to this issue. There's one thing that annoys me about Risemans, it's the only floor in an otherwise perfect film, is that when she is leaving John Hamm's house and she gets stuck on the gates, they use birds song in the background, and the bird song they use is chaffinch, which is a European bird and the film is set in America.

Wowy, guys, you were so close. That is that is interesting. Someone who has occasionally been lucky enough to make stuff. When you go into the sound mix, always the first thing that they play you is so much bird.

Song that you're like, where is where is.

This scene taking place in a sanctuary? There's so many birds, too many birds.

It really takes me out of it because I'm like, I was a massive obsessive bird watcher when I was like in which sort of explains quite a lot.

How does that start? And what are you doing all day? I've never quite understood it.

How does it start? I don't know.

It just sort of long walks in the countryside.

You'll see a bird, You'll be like, You'll go, what's that?

Then right, and one thing leads to another.

Suddenly you're you're watching Bridesmaids and you can't invest in the characters because there's a chaffide in the background. It's a very slippery slate.

So you're like collecting seeing a bird, a different type of bird, birds, and then you're like, I wonder where that bird's going.

That kind of stuff. You're kind of constantly going, oh my god. Well, one thing I do think is really underrated about birds. This isn't the theme of the podcast. I do you realize that, but about birds is that they can fly.

Yeah, it is amazing. Do you really take it for granted?

I'm sorry.

That is like that standing as well, from a standing start.

From a standing start, they are suddenly flying through the sky and we're all just like sort of walking around the park pretending not to see it.

It's fucked. Look at the bird. So do you still bird watch?

Occasionally? Got my binoculars. I'll have a peep out of the window, see what's up.

Because to be like, you know, there's like observing the world. There's a bird, lovely, But to be a bird watcher, is there like is it sort of like a thing of like can you see this rare bird that's very hard to see?

Is that the buzz that thing?

Right, there's a thrill of the unexpected. So if you're like in a place and you're like, this guy should not necessarily be here, but then here here is because nature is magic.

Yeah, So basically it's like big on acid.

It's exactly, I think, right, And do you have to take a picture of the bird or is it just for here, just for the head? It's not like it's not like pokemon, right, It's about being present and enjoying.

But being present at the moment, although it's so hard to take a picture of a bird because as we mentioned before, they're often like flying around.

That's what and such? Do you have bird watching?

Is there a community that you you will write to I just saw this bird and they go wow.

There is, of course the London Birds wiki page for later sirings that you can add your sightings to do. Also I follow Pembrokeshire birds because that's where my grandparents live, West Wales. No good bird movies though, not really a single good bird movie.

There's a new film called Migration coming. Okay maybe now it's an animated film. I suspect everyone dies in it's tragic. Maybe no, it's illumination might be more fun.

Yeah, there was rio. I couldn't really get on board of that.

What about the fucking Flight of the Things? The documentary of the Things? The documentary much hungrings?

Yeah, the penguins do they.

Con I mean you're picking the one bird that doesn't fly way to miss the trick.

Yeah, you're right, But there is there is a film that follows the birds migrating and they put like sort of mini balloons on the birds. They had like cameras on the birds for their migrating I think.

Yeah, that kind of doesn't gel with my my appreciation of birds very much like leave them leave.

Right, right.

Okay, So it's a very peaceful thing to do, this bird watching.

Yeah, it's really good because it's also it's been you feel very you have to kind of give up your sense of control. I'm quite like a controlling control freak, and so when you're watching a bird, you're like, that is not to do with me.

Wow.

So do you sometimes set aside the day I'm going bird watching and stuff?

Yeah?

Big time interesting. Yeah, so that's what I think a bridesmaid.

Lee, right, you have been an absolute delight. However, when you was walking along weording Pierre looking at your your inster stories and you were.

Doing a little game with yourself.

You looked away for a bit and you and you thought, imagine, you thought to yourself, imagine, I'm just a guy, whereas I'm just a normal person and I know nothing. And you look back down at your instant stories and you shoot your head wistfully, and you said, this is fucking brilliant, and you chuckled and your chuckle. You're looking at it, and you walked straight off the pier. They'd left the

What's that? And I go, oh, no, that's not Oh was that voice of a generation? Lea right? Who was? Who will speak for that generation? Oh? My god? And I turn around.

There's people wailing, people wailing because they don't know who will speak for them. And I I'm sorry, guys, I saw it. And I go, but remember that special was so good. He never has to follow it up now. And they went, oh, you're right, and they all started clapping. They felt better. And I said, and remember now, he'll never write a play. And everyone went, oh, this is great news, this is great news. And I said, help me, help me with this, and we have to sort of

And on the other side.

It's movie night every night in the around the World buffet made by the man at the beginning of Eat, Drinking Man, Women and one night it's You're me. You know what film are you taking to show the food people in the food court When it's your movie night, lear.

Right, people in the food court will be treated to a beautiful, potentially depending on the time of year, anachronistic showing of its wonderful life. I think it's got to be done.

When read appears.

Yeah, Leah right, what delight? Is there anything you would like to tell people to listen to watch out for, or any such thing with you coming up? Uh?

Not really, just a special it's still It's the kind of endless hell of releasing something silently to streaming is that it's still much available to watch. Do you watch it?

It's a laugh, it's very good.

It's on HBO Max in America the United States of America. It's on Sky and now TV in the United Kingdom, and it's also in Australia, but I can never remember kind of why or how.

It is.

If that's kind of your thing in Australia, if.

Your thing is being Australian and living in that country.

It's also I think I think it's available in I want to say Norway, because I'm getting a lot of Instagram dms in Norwegian. Unless that's something else, but I don't know what it would be, haven't done.

I think you should look into that, Leo. I've enjoyed this immensely, me too. Thank you for your time, Thank you, thank you so much. I have a wonderful death. Good day to you, sir. That was episode two hundred and eighty five. Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward slash Britt Gunstein for the extra twenty minutes of chat, secrets and video with Leo. Go to Apple Podcast. Give us a five star rating. But right about the film that means the most you and why. It's a lovely

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