Jimmy Carr • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #172

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one go. Soulmates season one is on Amazon Prime. You can watch that in one go. Although you know, take your time with both of him. Why rush things? Do you know what I mean? Make it last? So Jimmy Carr blasyell Imagine Jimmy Carr on the podcast. Jimmy Carr is a comedian, a writer, and a national treasure. He's written a new book which is a mixture of autobiography and self help. I thoroughly recommend it is out to buy now. We recorded this on Zoom a few nights ago.

He was kind enough to record it. I can't remember what time it was, like, I'm in America, he's in the UK. It was like one in the morning. We started this like, that's very nice of him, do you know what I mean? What a lovely man to do that. I was very grateful for his time, and I think you will really love this episode. So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and seventy two of Films to Be Buried With. Hello,

and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by a writer, a multi book writer, a TV writer, a TV sketch star, a TV presenter, an award winner, a stand up and one of the funniest and most lessendry men in all of the land. Please welcome to this show. You're hero

a'm ye, please welcome. It's mister Jimmy Carr. I mean, I can't believe you're like I presume you're worried we won't get on in this podcast and you were padding there with every possible sort of job title you could give me. Yeah, basically a stand up comedian and a chancer is what it is. It's like stand up comedians the main job, and everything else is a side hustle. That's gone all right now, Jimmy Car, I am in America. You are in England. We are recording this and zoom.

What time of day is it? And why are you up so late at twelve thirty at night? I was waiting for you to get through the LA traffic is the reason I'm not so late now. I've just done a show in I was in Sunderland, which is just near Newcastle. I'm now in Newcastle in a hotel. It's all very nice. It's nice to be back on tour. I'll be honest with you, it's quite nice to be working. How long have you been back gigging in real life in person? Well, they opened, they said theaters could reopen

on June twenty first, so I've been. I've had maybe four nights off since then. It's now November. I've been pretty much on it straight away. I really enjoy it. I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've also written the book. Well, it was Lockdown, and what happened in Lockdown is I think most comedians were faced with a sort of ultimatum by their management. You can either do a podcast or write a book, and I took what I considered to

be a dignified choice. I wrote a book. And I mean, it's great to be on your podcast, but really camera it's efforts. Yeah. I yesterday received your book and I've read one hundred pages of it that it's not to say that I don't want to read the rest, but I have read the first third of it. That's pretty impressive. In the day, I think that's that's getting through it. Yeah, and it's really excellent. And if I may say, it's kind of well, I'll let you you pitch it, but

then let me tell you what happened when I read it. Well, it's kind of it's a it's an autobiography, but it's also my sort of love letter to to stand up comedy, and it's it's kind of about what I think about life. So I wanted it to sort of feel like meeting me, like being a friend of mine, and that's it kind of to give an impression of what I'm like as a friend. So it's it's kind of it's a bit self healthy as well as being an autobography, so it's it's meant to be like half about you and half

about me. That was it. That's the pity. And what I thought is there's a lot of like it seems like your philosophy of life is you should all have a good life. That sort of seems to be what you're saying is like there's no reason you can't be having a good life, and it's all quite practical, and there's a lot of stuff. I really like the stuff you were saying about, you know, therapy and your parents and at some point you have to forgive reality and your life is your own and all that stuff. There's

a lot of that going on. And then there's a very short it's like half a page on the if I may talk about this very briefly, I there's a very short half page on the death of your mother

that's so fucking beautiful that it made me cry. And it's like it's such a it's such a like I guess, realistic, but also very emotional and very it's a really beautiful piece in the middle of books that that's kind of where the book came from, because the book came out of there was a an NHS kind of book which we did in the lockdown, which was to raise money for the National Health Service, some sort of charitable thing.

We all sort wrote essays about our experiences with the NHS, and as a result of kind of writing that essay, I got the book offer. So it sort of started with that thing of like remembering that and talking about it, and then you know kind of actually, you know, thinking back on you know, it's an interesting thing. People don't talk about grief an awful lot, and they don't write

about it a lot. So I think when you do talk about it, it it kind of I've had a lot of nice comments, but I think if you write about it in any way, it's it's naturally very emotive because of course you you project yourself onto it. Yeah, and it's interesting and it's you know, we've met a few times,

and for the record, I would say this publicly. I did a audition for a ten cats a long time ago, years ago, and I did a round with you with you in it, and you were so lovely and so like helpful to the people that weren't like shouting stuff out. You were like, hey, I remember you going like, Brett, what about you? What do you think? Said the thing for about five minutes, and I'm everything, that's very nice that you were keeping in our own things. I'm a

consummate host me. Yeah, very very good. But one of the times we met you, you said to me you were suggesting things I should be doing podcasts and stuff like that, as in to be a guest done. And you were like, because you talk about confessional stuff you talk about your life, and you said, I don't really do that. I don't like doing any sort of emotional stuff, and I thought it's very interesting because it feels like now that's not true. I think, yeah, I think there's

been a bit of a shift. I think I sort of feel like i've I've done maybe twenty years in comedy and not really given much away, and I kind of feel like it's appropriate now. I became a father about two years ago, and exactly two years ago, thank you very much. And then I feel like I've I've kind of unlike in my late forties. Now I feel like I can share. I've got like a little bit of wisdom to share and it doesn't seem inappropriate. I think sometimes I was a bit weird for a comic.

I think I was a bit it's away thing. People are very nuanced. I'm incredibly confident in lots of ways. And also I was a little bit shy and embarrassed about talking about myself. I didn't want to talk about always from my life because I thought they'd be boring. So there's something about my style of comedy that if you're kind of paging doctor Freud, it's like, yeah, tell a joke three times a minute to avoid having to

talk about anything serious. Yeah, all your comedy is saying, don't look at me, don't look at me, don't look at me while you're look at me. Yeah, so there is something now I'm writing new stuff. I'm just kind of writing a new show at the moment, just to switch up the tour with slightly longer kind of set pieces in it, like more routines rather than one liners, which I'm really enjoying, I must say, as someone who does routines in that one liners, isn't it great? So

much less work? Yeah, it does seem it does seem to be. I mean I thought I was robbing a living before, but this is this is great now. I mean it's still my kind of my love language is one liners, so it's always going to be peppered with one liners. But to make kind of you know, to talk about being a father or to talk about something that's going to be you're going to do a sustained chat for sort of twelve minutes on stage with a

lot of one liners in it. I think changing style so comedically as well, is a really interesting thing to do to kind of make it feel fresh. I think I'm confident I've got the best job in the world, you know, for me. But it's that thing where you go, how do you keep it fresh every year? How do

you make it sort of new? And part of that was going outward and touring the world and doing forty different countries, and part of it's kind of going well, actually the mechanics of what you do, changing that up, but making sure that you're always kind of growing every days a school day. I love it, absolutely love it.

When you think back when when you were saying I'm worried about talking about myself because I'm boring, Like, did you feel like you were hiding something or it was just like I'm not interesting so I have to do Yeah, I think it was kind of I'm not interesting. I think it was that partly, that thing of like going I'm you know, a middle class white boy from the suburbs. It's like, really have a lot to add. It feels like people that look like me have been in charge

for ten thousand years. Did they really need to hear more of it? It's a bit of that. It's obviously I'm not exactly who you think I am either, and it transpires in the book. You know, it's kind of an Irish immigrant family, and it's it's always more interesting

than you think. You know. I think probably people sort of assume I went to a private school and was you know, we got that kind of you know, I think people make assumptions and you're kind of at your peril to correct them because it's just more it's more of a hassle. Just just go with it interesting. It's two things. You've got to be aware of who you are, and you have to be aware of how you're perceived.

They rarely match up exactly. But you also were, like judging by your book, although it's very clear at twenty five, at twenty five you quit your your good job to go and have this adventurous life, But it sounds like you were having an adventurous life before it. You was traveling to places and doing it seems like you were constantly going. No, I think it was it was a pretty boring life before pretty boring. I think I was like middle management and an oil company, which has only

changed maybe the last maybe three four years. It's become the terrible thing to have done, like working for an oil companies, like in retrospect. I worked for the Nazis. It's like it was literally I mean, my job was just a strangle seabirds. That's what I did, right, That was my specialist. It needed being done. And we appreciate you. We appreciate yourself. Thank you, Jimmy Carter. I've forgotten to tell you something. Fuck, we're taking this. I've gotten to

tell you, and I should have told you. I should have at least had your team tell you before this gone. Fuck. I just just say it. I feel like a dickhead not saying this up front. You've died, You're dead. Oh yeah, that's tough. I'll be honest with you. I often get this feeling on planes. You know, I'm not a nervous flyer, but I often feel like on a plane you're kind of out of control, and if you stop from it, I think we are flying through the sky at six

hundred miles an hour. This is madness. And I often think it's a very good measure of your life to go all ended. Right now, I've had a hell of a ride. I'd feel pretty I mean, you know, I wouldn't feel it wouldn't be a terrible Oh my god, I missed that thing. It would be you know what, this is the chances of being alive infinitesimally small. So it's been great, Thanks very much. I've had a lovely time. Hey,

you're welcome. You're absolutely welcome. I really like that. I think that's a huge sign of your of your life. If you think i'd die tomorrow, i'd be I had a good run. Yeah, it's lovely. Do you how did you die? By the way I would want to die. I mean I've planned my I've planned my suicide in some detail as as anyone. I mean, come on, of course. So my plan for suicide and hit me out on this is I fly to South Africa. It's quite a long flight. There's no jet lad because you're in the

same time zone. It's great ten hours, it's enough time to really give life some thought. Are you sure you want to do this? If you decide on landing in Cape Town, you want to do this? Are you dry to Camps Bay? You get on one of the shark boats where they go out and they look at the great whites, lots of great whites there. You get on the back of the boat. You cover yourself in chum in the in the meat and the blood, and you you jump in the sea with the great whites and

you get ripped apart. That's the way to go because if if you if you're going to kill yourself, you've got to be sure. You've got to be sure, you've got to go. Okay, So there's something so bad that this is a better option. Great, Yeah, and you've got the journey to really question it perfectly. It's a perfect suicide problem. My problem is suicide too easy, too easy for people. It should be a really painful, terrible thing. Famously too easy. Well, it's it's the Yeah. I talk

about it a lot in the book. It's the It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's a lack of perspective. And I think one of the great things that comedy gives people, one of the great powers of comedy is a bit of perspective. Yeah. Yeah, So a Shark Bay suicide is how I die. Also, what's good about that death is it's it's memorable. It sort of means it washes everything clean, literally literally. If Michael Jackson had died in that way, no one would mention those

kids again. It would be forgot. Well, what you mean, Michael Jackson that died of the shark thing. Yeah, yeah, I just worry you'll be annoyed how little people are talking about your career and all your success if you die that way, that it will be in like years to come Shark Man, the dead shark guy. Yeah, sure, no, I'd be all right with it. I mean, legacy is not really for comedians. I don't think, well, that's interesting, good one, is it? Because comedy always dates and we're

all fucked every five years. Yeah, comedy, comedy slightly rots, I think as opposed. But it's it's it's a moment thing. I think life is a moment thing. I think leaving a leaving a legacy I think is a vestige of our religious belief. It's wanting to live forever in the same way that sort of fame has replaced heaven in

a secular world. It's like sort of, you know, we've still got those those sort of religious things, we still have those desires, they've just sort of supplanted onto different things. So the idea that we want legacy and we want to be remembered forever is we want to live forever. So what do you think happens when you die. I don't really believe in an afterlife. I believe in a next life, but I don't believe in an afterlife like a Buddhist thing that you just come back. No, like

a like a like a literal. Like ten years ago, I was a different guy than the guy I am now. I'm now a father, I live here, I do this, I've written a book, you know, and then in another twenty years time, I'll be someone else. It'll change. I was someone different before I was twenty five working in a boring office job. I was an academic when I was in my early twenties. I was a comedian in my thirties. It's like it changes a little bit, and you at some stage I'll be God Willing, an elder

statesman of comedy. It's like it changes. There are next lives. You know, you meet new people, you have new friends. You you know that you're like you're constantly meeting new people. You're in a new and vironment. It's like nurturing never ends.

I think there's a there's a perception in our society that you're done when you're eighteen or twenty one or whatever it is, that you go right, and that's me, and I'm a solid state nown and I sort of think, well, we're verbs were you know, we're doing things and we can do better, and we change, and there's good phases of bad stages. There's there's hell and heaven right here. So at the end, it's the end. There's your next life, your next life, your next life, and then yeah, when

you die, that's it. You're done. And I'm perfectly fine with that. I can I cannot imagine a world without me. None of us can. No one can. It's a terrible thought. But like no one ever gives any thought to what it was like the moment before their conception. All the thought is what happens afterwards. No one ever thinks, well, I don't remember what happened before, but somehow the universe

was fine. I mean people often talk about the Big Bang, but I'm super interested in what happened thirty seconds before the Big Bang. Yes, that's more interesting to me. That end of things interesting. And ask you something else, Yeah, however you want to put I don't know how you think of it, but you're a you're an institution, You're you're very much someone who is on our TVs. And has been for many, many years and continues to be. You're kind of always there and this is a good thing.

I'm not saying this is it's not for me to use the term legend, but I mean, I guess that's what we're getting to, right. Yeah, No, I've had I've had a good career. It's quite a rare space to to get and I think there's any few there's only a few people probably in in ten years that that occupy that space where like you're you're constantly in our

living rooms and it's a good thing. And it isn't like like there's a weird bit before that I think with some people where people can become like overexposed, and I think I think you have to get over getting overexposed is like that weird phase where you get famous. I remember, I remember the Christmas that happened to me.

I remember like doing loads of like clip shows and things and we'd recorded a bunch of them and then and then it transpired they'd all we're going to be on over one Christmas and it was just that was all over Channel four. You kind of went from being that guy from that thing to being oh, you're Jimmy Carr and you seem to me, but I really don't know you, so you tell me if this is true. You seem to be someone who enjoys being famous, who is comfortable, you know, who likes I think it's the

natural state. I genuinely think that we're know I mean that seriously. I think we're tribal. We're tribal creatures. We're built to live in groups of sixty to eighty. That's what we're built for for the longest time. And the existence that we currently have, which is very much focused on the individual, not the tribe, is a much more recent kind of invention, and it's a it's it's it's happenstances. Because of our technology and our cultures and how cities

have grown that we live with strangers. We're meant to live with people that we know. So being famous is like it's sort of half of living in a village because everyone knows you. It's like living in a lovely, friendly village, but you've got Alzheimer's because everyone knows you and you don't know them. That's great, What a great way of looking at it. Yeah, I do like being famous, though, it's it's it's a job. I mean, people that moan about it can just I mean, how far can they

fuck off? So, Jimmy Carr, you're wrong, my friend, you're wrong. There's a heaven. Oh well, that's tremendous. Yeah, and you've got in, believe or not, despite your disgusting attitude towards heaven, you did get in because that's what heaven's like. It's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Comedy? Right, it's wall to wall comedy. Great, there's a fuck. There's gigs going on everywhere. There's legendary performances being done by

the real person redoing them. The seats are made of one liners. You love it there. But in this heaven, they won't talk about your life. They won't talk about your life through the medium of film, because that's what it's like there. That's the bit they miss out in the Bible. And the first thing they ask you is what's the first film you remember seeing? Jimmy Carr, you know, listen, long, long time listener, first time caller to the podcast. I have to say the first film I saw was Bamby.

And I know that's annoying because we've been there before. I guess, I guess You've interviewed people around my age and they watch Bamby. But I've got a couple of early movie stories because Bamby was the first one, and that became my fear in childhood, became losing my mother. I think it had such a profound effect on me. And then actually the loss of my mother was a massive catalyst in my life, so it did become thematically. I feel like Bamby is a character I can absolutely

relate to. Wow, that's fucking cute. But it was, you know, that's it's It's not for a lot of people. I think it's going to be a Disney movie. It's going to be something. And the size of the screen. I remember going there and it becoming kind of an apocryphal tale in the family. But I got to the cinema on when where are the buttons? Because TVs used to have buttons on the side for turning it on and off and stuff, and I was going, this is immense,

but where are the buttons for this thing? Who's got the remote? Set it down? This was the days before remote actually remotes were on strings back then. I'm quite an old man. Oh wow, and you saw it with your mum, I think, yeah, with my mum, which was which yeah, I would say, not great, just kind of like checking she's there every two minutes. But then I went to see I was like, I think we used to go to a place in Ireland every summer for

like six weeks every time. I went to a little town called killed Key, and I remember being taken to see Jaws when I was maybe four or five. I mean I was very very young and seeing Jaws and just being absolutely terrified, just like going, well, I don't want to be near any like we're going swimming every day up until that point, and then afterwards like an absolute line in the sand, going well, that's not happening. So fascinating that Bamby started you off, and that became

a defining feature of your life. Fear of you, then your lead, your moment that starts you up on your journey, and then Jaws is how you end your life. Yeah, it's perfect, right, perfect, And then I remember being you get storytelling. Being being scared in the cinema is a huge kind of thing for me. I always liked horror movies and I remember sort of seeing things earlier. It's amazing the stuff that scares you when you're a kid.

I remember then, like being quite young, getting taken to see Airplane when it came out, and they used to do and I've kind of forgotten about it till thinking about the podcast, and I was thinking, I remember going to see Airplane and there was a movie at the start, like with the short movie. I mean, kids won't be able to remember this, but they used to be a short movie before the main feature, and it was like a comedy movie about a werewolf. And I remember being

absolutely fucking terrifying, because somehow you've forgot the jokes. By the time you got home, you've forgotten the jokes. You just remember the creepy, the creepy well wolf bit. That's great. Have you ever found that short again? I don't. I know, I never never said it again. I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure it has not stood up. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't terrify me now, But it's kind of It's weird those things that kind of stay with you and your kid, like a little bit of imagery from a

film or you know, something kind of special. It's I mean, they've always been my sort of happy place films. I really associated with going everything being okay at the cinema, and I associated it when I started doing comedy, I associated with freedom. I used to do a thing when I was working for Shell Oil where I would put in a meeting on a Friday. I'd put in a meeting at eleven AM, maybe eleven thirty, and then I put in a meeting at too so in my diary

that everyone could see. And then I would go to Leicester Square. I walked to Lester Square from the Strand, and then I would go and see a movie where like whatever was coming out that week, I go and see a movie and be covered for that time, and it was I had a meeting there and a meeting there. Great, it's perfect. And then and then when I started doing comedy, I remember like, obviously I would I'd like had a reputation for being a hard working comedian, but it's like

being the best looking guy in the burns board. No one's doing anything. So I would go to a movie every every Friday. I remember going sort of in the afternoon on a Friday, and just that thing of the movies in the afternoon. It's like heaven for me. Walking out the sun hitting your eyes and just you've seen something and it's your kind of I love it and I like going on my own me too. It's the best way tell me you're also you also write things.

Have you written films? You wanted to make films? I've written a couple of things, but I mean, it's it's it really reminds me of that. There's a famous Peter Cook line. So Peter Cook's had a cocktail party in the nineteen sixties and easy drinking, and you know, goes up to someone says what you're up to and they say, I'm writing a novel and he says, neither am I? I feel movie scripts or a bit neither am I.

It's like, yeah, sure, I'm writing a film. Great. Yeah, And I've been to Hollywood and you could die of encouragement. You're really good. What's about so you like it being scared? What's the film that scared you the most? What depends which there's there's different levels of fear, aren't there. I think The Exorcist three is as scary as a horror movie as you're ever going to get. The Exorcist obviously a classic. The Exorcist too is some dogshit terrible. The

Exorcist three is a brilliant movie. It's got a couple of brilliant sequences in it. I love horror movies generally, and it's it's great. I absolutely loved it. What do you make of the comedy horror thing parallel? Is it the same thing in terms of the reaction you're trying to get timing and everything from an audience. I think it. I think it probably has and there's certainly a lot

of parallels. I think anything where you're you're getting strong emotion out of someone where they don't really have a choice, do you know, comedy comedy? For me, I always thought like your sense of human is a bit like your sexuality or your choice in food, how spicy you like it, It is not really up to you. It's kind of it's like that, come, that's your settings, so you go. I like spicy food and kinky sex and edgy comedy is like, okay, that's and some people like the mild stuff.

Some people like just just some pasta with butter for me, and and the you know, in some observational comedy. Thanks very much. That's really interesting. Yeah, well no, that thing of like what frightens you as well, what gets you like it changes different stages of my life. I've been scared by different things. Probably I think probably in my teenage years, probably I don't know, eighteen nineteen or ever.

I remember watching Shower and being sort of terrified because you sort of go like the first time you get exposed to that and go like it's it's suddenly not statistic. You go, oh, this can fucking happen. That's terrifying because that's the world that we live in. I remember my own particular thing when I was growing up being the threat of kind of the four minute warning or three minute warning, the four minute warning of like, oh they're going to drop the bomb. That was for my generation.

That was our kind of all right, that's going to happen. So something like when the wind blows was really kind of really frighten up. There was another one that was there was more TV shows than films that kind of captured that, and we're just like straight up horrorfying threads. Did you ever see three? Yeah? Yeah, I mean what Matt Morgan made me, made me get it again recently got it on DVD. It's like it's yeah, it's fantastically scary. You know, the man who made Threads made one of

my favorite films, La Story. Really imagine imagine that as a double bit. Wow, that's that's good. I like it when people are very eclectic in their movies. I like the guy my favorite is the guy that made Mad Max also made Happy Feet, and you go, I mean that's a fuck it. That's a CV and a heart, isn't it? Yeah? And babe and then Happy Feet too. He came back for more. I haven't finished that story. And now is the thing I think is interesting about

horror and comedy. And weirdly, when you mentioned sexuality, I think it's true of sexy. I think sexy films, horror films and comedy films are generally underrated. They don't get like critical acclaims. I think it's because your dramas you don't require a critick. For comedy, I mean you never have, or a horror movie, it's a visceral response. It's binary. You either laugh or you don't. You're either scared or you're not. So it's it's it doesn't require you know.

Sometimes when you go and see you know, a musical, let's say a critic can really add value. You know, it's really like, oh do I enjoy that? And then they say something and you go, oh, yeah, I didn't know. I had it recently on My missus is obsessed by musicals, so I go and see a lot of musicals, and I saw Bat out of Hell, the musical challenging for me because not anyway saw this thing. And then I read a review and it went, oh, well, basically, this is the this is the Peter Pan story. It's about

children that won't grow up. But they said it in a teenage world, not a children's world. And immediately you go, oh, yes, this critic has added such value. I now understand what Okay, that makes more sense. Great, what a good story. But most of the time, like for comics, you don't need a fucking you know, someone that tells me I don't think that comics funny. You go, yeah, it's very opinion,

I mean really opinion. Based on this. You either I hate critics for comedy like coming to the show, because you go, everyone else bought a fucking ticket. You've just rocked up and gone, this guy's a bit crude. Yeah, if you're not laughing, what I do is hate speech. What's the film that made you cry the most? And are you at all a crier? You may be a big cryer for all later though, but yeah, I'll cry

at a movie. I think the one that sprang to mind that I would recommend to everyone is Nobody's Full Paul Newman. Yeah, it's phenomenal. I love that film. It's gorgeous and it makes it made me sort of weep, And it's about I don't have a relationship with my father, but it's about fathers and sons, and it's about friendships and it's about a father figure, I think, and it's it's beautiful. It's about kind of what it is to be. It's a great film about masculinity, and there's very few

of those, I think knocking around the place. So that's that's pretty good. I'm something like Gallipoli will put me in a puddle, obviously, but I think that's who's not how fast you're going to run as fast as a rabbit. Oh god, it's just too much. Magnolia made me crying. Oh mate, Magnolia is like it's just it's so perfect. And the one latterly I had a thing, you know, like on a plane sometimes on a plane. I'll take a chance on something. I'll go, well, I'll watch Yeah,

I'll give that a go. And I watched a movie, a German film called Into the Fade. Did you see Into the Fade? It's Diane Krueger is in it. It's it's okay, it's I mean, if you haven't seen it and you want to take a punt, I would go. And it's phenomenal. But that just had me. Do you cry alone or are you? Are you okay crying in front of other people. I'm a pretty ugly crier, but yeah,

I'm fine crying in front of other people. I would think, like if you if you feel it, feeling it tends to be very fleeting with me, like it's just like very sort of you know, a couple of snot bubbles, and you're gone and then I'm find out the other end. I do remember as a kid as well, like the first time you see a movie that's like properly heartbreaking and it being like you don't sort of know where to put that emotion, but it's a great way to sort of connect. I do it a lot through music now.

I remember when I watched The Elephant Man for the first time, just kind of the end of that film where you just go, oh, it's just life is brutal. I mean, quite something, quite something, that is quite something, And you remember, I remember where I was when I saw it. I remember the top loading VCR, I remember the whole sort of experience of seeing it and just thinking this is just kind of otherworldly. I'd never really felt that emotion before. Yeah, what do you make of

because you seem to be into all this stuff. I was talking to someone the other day about the thing of like, I love horror films, and I love films, but occasionally there are images in a film, like particularly a horror film or something that have been so horrific, you know, specifically to me, and maybe you wouldn't have thought the same, But like where it feels almost like PTSD, like I run it in a loop that image, and part of me guess I don't think I should have

seen that, because my brain seems to react as if it happened rather than I'm just wetting a fit, do

you know what I mean? I always wonder if if they're your caveman brain or some part of you that's like being It's the same thing as it happening because you've seen it, Like, if it happened in front of me in real life, it would be horrific, But then I saw it in a film, and I mean, that's that's ultimately what you know, I think, especially when you're a child, sort of with cinema, it mean you've got to be very careful because that's sort of where phobias

are from phobias, you know, it's basically you've you've kind of recoded a memory as if it's your life is in danger. So a lot of people are scared of spiders, let's say, because they were small and they saw a spider on the floor and it moved weirdly, and they felt threatened by it, like, oh my god, that's gonna something bad's going to happen, because that's an important thing to out from a Darwinian evolutionary point of view, and

then they've kind of recoded that. So often you see something when you're a kid, or see something sort of in a in a movie and you kind of, ah, that's a that terrible things going to hurt me, and you're kind of you know, you're you're protecting yourself. It's I mean, I think The thing about horror movies as well as those kind of the archetypes, the storytelling there,

it's it's always similar themes. I think they're really good sort of thematically horror movies sometimes because they've got that that kind of the youngie and archetypes are there, so it's of course you get. I mean, one of my favorite movies is Cabin in the Woods. It's such a clever, clever, brilliant sort of summation of all those kind of slasher

horror movies and why I love them so much. I thought it's a brilliantly written it's one of I think it's a I think it's a really seriously underrated movie. It's brilliant. Yeah, it's fucking great, it really is. Jimmy Carr, what is the film that you love that most people do not like? It is not critically acclaimed, but you love it. You don't care what any of these fools say to you. I would go. Rom Coms are the critical a sort of the area that I go. They

don't get any critical love. They are the greatest films. They're enjoyable time and time again. It's like Four Weddings is perfect. I won't have a word said against it. It's just a perfect movie. It's funny, it's light, you could watch as many times as you want. It's kind of two hours in good company. It's just lovely and everything's sort of all right in that world other than the funeral. But they did warn you about that, Yeah, they did warn you a yet, in fairness, they did

tell us. That's a really good answer. Hasn't come up, really four weddings for a very very long time. Well, maybe maybe people do. Maybe it is critically. I mean, the other one that I really like is things like Mean Machine. I like movies like I like. But Reynolds in a Prison. I watched it again recently and thought, oh god, this has stood up so fantastically. I loved it. I trying to copy his haircut. He was great, Yeah, you got it, Reynolds. It's really stood up. What is

the film that you used to love? You loved it. This is kind of the opposite. But you've watched it again recently and you've thought, oh, no, I don't like this anymore. But that can be for whatever reason that might be to you. A birth of a nation or triumph of the will. Those are my answers. Let's just move on really saying them more understood, and let me just hope that the way your opinion has changed in the right direction. Imagine though, imagine if someone did just go, yeah,

Birth of a Nation. Yeah, I don't know. The last couple of years, I really feel like it's lost something, um don't. I think I think probably the special effects movies, the amazing special effects movies that were basically it was all on the special effects, and then you watch it again and you go, oh my god, I can't. I thought, you know, Jurassic Park, Oh my god, they've invented dinosaurs. This is incredible. And then you watch again and go, ah,

is it kids TV? What's this? And it's kind of like that thing of I remember as a child seeing Clash of the Titans and looking at those kind of effects and going, well, they're kind of dog shit but interesting, you know, the Clash of the Titans thing, like the stop motion animation. It's like that. I love Clash at the time. I loved those movies when I was a kid.

Flash of the Titans I thought was brilliant, And it's kind of a forgotten It's not really like when I was a kid that was as big as Star Wars in my world, in my kind of mind, it was huge. And then they just disappeared entirely, and the Medusa with the snakes for their head. It's great imagery. I loved it and kind of really brought that Greek mythology to life. But that, yeah, effects movies ten years later never stand up. Well, that's fair, that's fair. Jimmy car what's the film that

means the most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because the experience you had around seeing the film, that will always make it special to you. Okay, well, we're going to come right back to Bambi in this on the I think the day after my mother died, we just didn't know what to do. We just like this, I got two brothers, and we just kind of were sort of a bit broken. There's a real physical aspect

of grief that people don't really talk about. But when when you when you're breathed, it sort of hits you and you're just a bit like, I don't know, you kind of exhausted. And so of the next day we we sort of should we just go and see a film, and we went to see Moulin Rouge and it was I cried, I think from start to finish the whole thing with my My brother was fourteen, and you know, he was like he came, you know, he sort of sat there and we loved that kind of music. And

I love that. I haven't been able to watch it since I've it just like I was properly in a puddle in the darkness of the cinema and just able to grieve. And I always amazing, how how old were you? I was maybe twenty five? Okay, oh man, that's a yeah, that's a really cley story. What is the film that you most relate to, Jimmy car I mean I remember sort of thinking something like The Rachel Papers when I was a kid. I remember thinking, well, that's my life,

trying to get into college. And but it kind of it moves you know, you kind of you you you kind of you outgrow it a little bit. I don't know. I'm a big fan of late nineties Hero's Journey cinema, so things like Fight Club and Train Spotting. Beautiful Girls. I thought it was a movie. Did you ever see Beautiful Girls? Love Beautiful Girl? I watch Beautiful Girls once, a year. I watch every Christmas. I just think it's it's incredible soundtrack, and it's about that melancholy of going

home and your home doesn't exist anymore. And I kind of had that experience, and it's it's it's kind of brutal, but you can't. I just she kind of yeah, but yeah, that that kind of thing of life. It's it's interesting the movies when I was thinking about the podcast before, the movies that sort of mean most to me are the ones just before I found my purpose in life, just before I found what I wanted to do. And

you're kind of looking for signals through these stories. You're looking for, to quote another film, you're looking for a lifeless ordinary. Wow, you're very good at this, Jimmy, right away, I don't know. I'm just naming films. I like, it feels very easy to any points say fair, what is here? We go? It's the way everyone's been waiting for. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Jimmy, come guzzling slots four.

That is a classic. I mean, if you haven't seen the first three, though it's meaningless, you won't follow any of it. I know, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think that's genuinely a tough question on like, what's the I've got a story about sexy inappropriate sexy movies though, if you would like to hear, that's why we're here. It is a piece of stand up that I'm doing. But it's also a true story. My mother sort of sort of brought us up on her own.

Didn't but sort of did. And she would take us out to the cinema quite a lot. And I was about thirteen or fourteen, and I saw nine and a half weeks with my mum, and obviously she's an intelligent woman. She realized the mistake that she had made one week in immediately, Yeah, one week into the nine and a half she was this is this is not great? No, sole realize almost immediately, but kind of went, well, we're here now, and what we're going to leave and do what?

And I guess we'll stay. And you know, kind of watching sex on TV with mom and dad is weird. Watching in the cinema, it's kind of weirder. Again, it's a yeah, so sat through that. I mean the showcase, she said to me during during one of the sex scenes, quite a visceral sex scene. She went, they'll sleep tonight,

which is just such a great line. But yeah, I suppose, I suppose there was a thing of like the you know, for people listening to this in the UK, there was a thing in like Channel four would put sort of sexy movies on sort of semi pornographic films sort of on a on a sort of Thursday night quite late, which was quite an exciting thing that had a red triangle. It was going to be honest, to be pretty decent. There was a whole subset of movies as well that have had like a bit of boob in them. That

was always a thing, a bit of boobs. Things like Porkis, which until very recently I think it was the most successful Canadian movie of all time because it had like a little bit of kind of it was kind of that weirdly that sort of grease era Americana sort of thing and had a little bit of kind of a little bit of sex in it that felt like a very sort of that felt like a very sexy movie when I was sort of twelve thirteen, when those things before really the infact, I mean, you gotta remember, we

lived in a world pre internet pornography. We were so starved of porm or something you had to find in the woods. Yeah, yeah, and it was Padstown through generations. So is your answer to traveling bonus worrying Whydnes nine and a half weeks with your mum? I mean that's the that's the that would be the one. I mean, that's You're not going to get better than that in terms of going this is weird watching something a bit sexy with your mom. You know, it's that's pretty impressive. Yeah,

it's impressive in the cinema as well. Okay, Jimmy Carr objectively, objectively might not be your favorite, but objectively, what is the greatest film of all time? I think the greatest film of all time has to be your favorite because I think we can all quote something very you know, French and meaningful, but true Romance for me is the greatest film of all time by some margin. I watch it all the time. I can't get enough of it. I find the music to be that's enough for me.

If it was just the opening sequence with the bad Lands music, it's the music from another great film, isn't it. It's it's it's the same sort of what do you call it a xylophone kind of effect as they're use in bad Lands, which is the great Terrence Malick movie. It's a Quentin Tarantino script, so you know it's going to be good. It's Tony Scott directing everyone in. It is fucking brilliant. It's got the best scenes. I know that sounds sort of redundant, like, of course movies are

made of scenes, but there's such great set pieces. That Christopher Hawkin Dennis Hopper bit is maybe the greatest scene in cinema. It's as good as it's ever going to get. And then and then the the the James Ganolfini and uh, you know is just it's a heartbreaker. I mean, the

whole thing is just start to finish. Brilliant, great soundtrack, brilliant dialogue, incredible story, you know, the the the whole thing as well, and it's it's the kind of that hero's journey of the whole thing just works for me. I love it. You know, you must know if you're that obsessive, but I like this about it. That in do you notice that in the original script, of course Clarence he died, Yeah, and that Tony Scott was like I just love them too much. I don't want it

to happen. And I really like that. I like that. He was like, I get it, I get that that's your vision, but I really liked it. I don't want them to die. And they're like, yeah, it's nice. Yeah, there's something that there is something nice about the the ending, and I think it's I always think cinemas whatever, however you want to interpret it. That's like, that's what you got from it, then great. And if you go, well, I think that's just a dream sequence and he's not

really there. I mean, the whole the movie would be my favorite movie just for the Elvis only appearing in the toilet. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, great answer. Not been put in that category before. I'm going to give you ten points. Val Kilmer playing Elvis and you don't even see his face just phenomenal. Five stars, five stars, ten points. Jimmy Carr, what's the film that you could have watched the most over and over again. It's been a few

you've said here that you watch every year. There's a there's a couple, there's like there's a couple on rotation. There's true amounts, there's beautiful girls fight Club. I watch an awful lot. I think it's just fantastic. Train Spotting I watch maybe once a year. I just I love it. I love the performances, I love the language. I love that. It's just fantastic. This is a there's actually a question

that I have in the Resurrection episodes. But I'm worried I'll never get to speak to you again, so I want to ask you this question. I don't normally do this in this one. If you could make one film that already exists that you think realistically the saw a film that could come out of your brain if you had all the skills, all the money, with everything. What's the film that you wish you'd made that you feel like, Yeah, that's a good representation of this sort of thing I'd

love to do. I mean no, because you just you just sort of flattery yourself and go, well, I do I do a work of a heartbreaking work of staggering genius. Would you um? It's Birth of a Day, said Leslie on The Buses, which which outgross James Bond the year it came out. It's a classic. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the kind of I don't know the kind of cinema that I really like. I mean, I really like documentaries. This is the other thing that

I'm slightly obsessive about. I watched documentaries pretty much all the time, and I'm a huge fan of Adam Curtis, and I sometimes think they're kind of the polemic documentary is a is a wonderful, artful and it's a great sort of It's it's I think, where the most sort of learning happens. I think I tend to. I don't know. I've kind of gone away from stories since becoming creative, so I think pre the age of twenty five twenty six,

I read a lot of fiction. I felt like I needed stories more before I was doing something creative when I when I was, I was working to live, and now I live to work. I feel like I don't need stories in that sense as much. So. Cinema still means a lot to me, but it's not the same obsession. Like the idea that I'm talking to you now. The new Dune movie is out. It's been out for a week and I haven't seen it yet. I mean, I'm going to see it, but I haven't seen it yet.

There's a bit of me that's dying inside even telling you that there's a bit of me going you should have been there on Friday at the ten am showing to see it before anyone else. There's a there's a bit of me that it used to it mattered more one. That's kind of all I had. That's not really an answer to anything. That's just I'm treating this like a therapy session now. No, And I really appreciate that you are.

Do you have a fantasy in your head? I assume your baby is too young yet, but in your head, is it like a nice fantasy to be taking your son to the cinema one day? Is that part of your Oh yeah, I hadn't really given that any thought, but yes, that will be a lovely thing. I think it's that thing though, where you've got to get you get over excited. Dads get over excited and go, yeah, yeah, you've got to see Star Wars. He's three, and they go no, they're not gonna understand any of this or

get any of it. So it's having to wait like another another two years before he can watch that, and he can see Bambi as well when he's in his forties. Yeah, I really respect that you'll be like you're watching Taxi Driver before you're watching Bambi. All right, yeah you're five, that's it out, Yeah, what's we don't like to be negative, Jimmy, maybe you do. I don't know, But what's the worst

film you've ever seen? I've only walked down the cinemat like a handful of times, and I think I took a chance on I mean, it's actually I think, as most stand up comics will know, the cinema is often it's a very exciting thing where you go and see a fantastic piece of creative work. Sometimes though it's a Wednesday afternoon and you're in Birmingham and you've got to kill it. You've got to kill this afternoon. Somehow you're you know, you're on your You're on your third whank.

By two in the afternoon, you go, I've got I'm going to go blind if I don't leave this so or there staying in the abyss. I think I saw I saw a Transformers movie in the cinema and I like twenty minutes and I just want, well, this isn't this isn't anything, This isn't anything. So I'm I guess I'm anti trans is what I'm saying. This is the exclusive and the pool quote, and I appreciate it. Thank you. You're in comedy. I think we can all agree that that's a fact. What's the film that made you laugh

the most? I think it is I don't know whether I consider it to be the greatest comedy Team America. World Place has made me laugh more than any other film. It's so when the guy passes, you may need this. You think it's going to be Sinai pills. And it's a hammer with blood and and and hair on it. And every bit of the movie is funny. The concept of the movie is funny. The songs are funny. I mean they always do a musical kind of by the back door. You know, you're not quite sure it's a musical,

and then it is. I'm so lonely, so funny. The fact that it's done with puppets, Yeah, it's so fucking ludicrous. If you pitched it to anyone, they just go, well, you're out of your fucking mind. And yet they did it and committed to it, and it's just fantastic. We're going to need an actor, right, everybody's got aids. I mean, everything about it is just it's so funny. I didn't even get that that was a rent joke at the time. I then had to go and see a saw rent

a one. It's such a great pastage. Oh I wouldn't Actually one other little thing if I may, which is in your book. You said something which I really liked, which was about being nervous before gigs, and you said, comedians pretend they're not, but they are and you are. Is that true. I think there's a recoding of nerves

as excitement. I'm really looking forward to this one. Like I convinced myself, I'm not nervous before a gig, but I don't eat for two hours before it either, so just because you know otherwise you'd be feeling kind of a bit queasy. I think it's like that thing where everything becomes a bit normalized, you know, if you do something enough, you kind of go on there. You're sort of used to it now, but they're still especially trying new stuff. I get quite nervous. I'm so glad to

hear it. But don't you think that that adrenaline is you need it? Like if you didn't. I'm always shocked when I meet people to say, I don't get nervous anymore. I'm like, then, how are you doing this job? Yeah, because because the super brain or whatever it is, kicks in with the slight adrenaline. Yeah. It's it's interesting how you're in a heightened state, like a flow state when

you're on stage. And I think sometimes, like certainly with heckles and things, I think sometimes I've often done a heckle put down where I've not quite got the joke that I've told. Like you occasionally have this thing where you come back with something and go, oh that was good, and it was like slightly a muscle memory thing, slightly a you get caught up in it, but your your mind's kind of moving at at a different speed when you're in that kind of fight or flight mode. I

love that. I cannot thank you enough. This has been a delight. However, Ah, when you decided you you had an inkling that you wanted to kill yourself yet a little inkling, but you were like, I need to be sure, so I'm going to take a little journey. And so you booked a flight to South Africa, and along the plane, you considered how great your life had been. You considered your family, your your wife, your son, and you still thought, now I'm done. And you thought I had one more thing.

You went to Camp Spray Spay Camp Spay and got on the boat. You went out on a boat to where the great white sharks were and you thought, yeah, no, I'm still committing to this. I'm still committing to this. And the guy, the guide said, oh, so you want to feed the sharks, and he handed you chump a load of meat and stuff and you grabbed it and you slabbed it with over you haave. And the guy went, what the fuck are you doing? And you said shi And he went, no, seriously, I've got like I get

in trouble if something happens to the guests. And you said, I don't care about you and your pathetic little life. And you jumped off the boat. And you got eaten viciously by all the sharks that you've been scared of. When you it's hard for them to eat you any other way than viciously. It was really bad. But the thing was as well, this guy's life was ruined. I mean, you were very you were quite thoughtless in that. This guy's in trouble. Now he gets fired, he's getting sued.

There's this whole fallout from this thing. The person that filmed it, that was also on the boat. They make a load of money out of it, and they don't even use it to help their friend. The guy may even go to prison for this, but you don't care. I've just been eating. I've just been eating by sharp. I have a boat story in South Africa. If you want to hear it, I'm more than willing to tell you. Yeah, of course we do. Then we'll get back to you or for this. Okay. So I'm in Cape Town. This

has got to be eight years ago now whatever. I'm on tour down there, doing a couple of shows. Cape down and Joe Burg. I'm there with my other half's there, Caroline is there, and we're staying in the night the one and only hotel on the Bay in Cape Town. And Caroline goes, well, we've got to go and see Robin Island, where you know the great man Mandela was interned.

I said, yeah, of course we've got to go. So she goes down to the bay thing and they go, oh, the ferry like that takes you over there, it's all sold out. And I went, we'll surely the hotel can sort us out, and they went, no, no, we're not connected to the ferry. We can't. But we could book you a private boat. And I went, okay, that sounds that sounds pretty good. And I went how much is that? And the guy sort of like a little bit flustered.

Wherever it works out it's like four hundred pounds and you get picked up at ten in the morning and they take you out there and then bring you back at two o'clock. And I went, oh, that's okay, great, we'll do that tomorrow. So we come down in the morning in the hotel, we have our breakfast and there's a line of like six people dressed in sailing outfits in front of us, like little sailor boy. It's like they're in a little yakub with our hands behind their backs,

like lined up. You go, that's good, right, I must be doing a thing. And then get the concierge desk and say, we booked a boat. Where do we meet them? And they went, oh, they're here, and they were oh right,

and they went, where's the rest of your party? And we went, n it's just us, and they went, oh, oh, it's oh okay, yeah, I guess so, and then they walk us round to this thing and there is a there's a super yacht outside the hotel, like literally, I mean a super yacht and with a full catering on the back of it, and they and the captain is a guy that had won the America's Cup, and I went, listener, I don't know much about the exchange rate, but nothing

about this says four hundred pounds. And the guy and the guy we kind of I got on and went, this doesn't seem to make any sense at all. We booked a boat to take us over there, and the guy said it was four hundred pounds, but this doesn't seem and we worked out what happened and he got the decimal point in the wrong place and it was four thousand pounds. And I was like, oh, mate, the thing is. It's just me and the missus and we just wanted to go over there for like and what

is it like a ten minute drive? Like it's one of forty minutes or whatever. It's not far. And the guy like big gruff sailor from South Africa goes, oh, my friend, my friend, like super aggressive voice. He goes, my friend, these things happen. It's a misunderstanding. Don't worry about it. You have to enjoy your holiday. And I went right, and he went, don't worry, don't worry about anything. I kind of left. I kind of walked like ten steps with Caroline when he was really fucking nice about that,

and went, I'll fuck it, let's do it. So me and Carolina got back on the boat and went, no, no, fuck it, will do it. I don't mind, fine, take it, don't matter whatever. In the most ludicrously opulent way you could ever go and see a prison where a man suffered for twenty five years, we went Caroline Caroline was like I was being teetotal at the time. Caroline down like two bottles of champagne on the way over there.

And then when you get to Robin Island, like you're met by someone who used to be in turn there and they show you round. She was half cut. It was like, I guess we figured, well we might as well go, so Fairny, we'll be getting jet skis back. Don't worry, babe, did it was like yeah, it was? It was. It was. It was like getting a white limousine to Auschwitz. It was in very poor taste, but so fairny just walking around drunk and yeah, it looks awful,

looks awful. We need to get back for the lobster. Yeah, Jimmy Carr, is there anything you would like to tell people to look out for, to listen to or to watch of yours coming up? I've got a book out which I spent like a year writing, which is Yeah. As we said at the top of the show, it's

kind of a love letter to comedy. It's kind of an autobography, but it's also about you, and it's a way of doing self help that isn't I kind of felt like self helps a bit low hanging fruit because although it's not a pastiche of self help, self help tends to be. It's quite po faced. It's quite serious, and I like things to be quite light and funny, So it strikes me that it's it's a it's good if you, if you, if you need a bit of self help, but you can't be Yeah, Eckart's toe can't

write fucking dick jokes, Kenny. Yeah, it's really good. Whatever read of it the first third and they will continue reading it. It is excellent and I thoroughly recommend it and you're on tour. I guess you're sold out, are you? Yeah, I'm on tour around the UK. I probably won't be doing international until next year, year after something like that, until the coronas all done. Jimmy Carr, thank you for your time, especially so late at night, and it's my

actually pleasure. That's a really fun podcast to do. It's great, man, I'm delighted to have had you on. Oh we didn't fucking finish you monster? What I told you? Not story? What do you got to tell me? You get you were eating buy sharks right and you ruined this guys out and I come over. Yeah, I'm like hearing the screaming of the guy and I was like, what's happening. You're going, Oh, Jimmy Carr fucking killed himself and now my life's for it. And then I was like, oh shit, man,

I'm so sorry. Anyway, I gathered the bits of you that are left and there isn't much. I put it in the coffin, but there's also like we had to kill a couple of these sharks to get out your bones and ship as well, so it's a real murder suicide in the end. Stuffing bits of blubber and fucking all the stuff of you in this coffin. It's now absolutely jammed full in there. Right, there's only enough room in this coffin for me to slip a DVD, just a little TV in the side for you to take

across to the other side. And on the other side, it's movie night every night. What film are you taking to show the people in heaven when it's your movie night? Jimmy Carr go, what I mean, I'm gonna have to say a romance? And I mean it would be crazy, not because you know what, because sometimes that's the way it goes, but you have to remember sometimes it goes the other way too. It's just it's just ended the podcast by blowing all our moves. Jimmy Carr, thank you,

have a wonderful life. Good day. So that was episode one hundred and seventy two. Head over to patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty minutes of extra chat, secrets and video with Jimmy. Go to Apple Podcasts give us a five star rating. Right about the film that means the most to you and why it's lovely to read helps numbers, blah blah blah, lah lah lah blah blah blah. Thank you so much to Jimmy for doing this show so late at night as well.

Thank you all for listening to it. Thank you to Scrubius Pip and Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it. Thanks to adding Riches him for the graphics at least a lad him for the photography. Come and join me next week. Oh, I got such a great guest next week. I'm not even gonna tell you who it is. You will very

much like it, so I hope everyone as well. That is it for now, but in the meantime, do have a lovely week and please be excellent to each other.