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It's only films to be buried with. Hello, and welcome to films to be buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, a director and assistant coach, and I love films. As the Great Alan Watts once said, the menu is not the meal. The menu is a film directed by succession director Mike Mylod. Yeah, that's true, Well done, Allen.
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Every week I'm about a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Mark Frost, Sharon Stone, and even Bed Clambles. But this week it's finally happened. He's here. It's the one, it's the only, it's mister ted Lasso himself. It's Jason Sudeikis. Remember that you can watch all of Ted Lasso seasons one to three on Apple TV plus get caught up on all of them if you've not
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Bret Goldstein. So Jason Sudakis. Jason Sudakis is a living legend. You know him from SNL, you know him from Were the Millers, You know him from Horrible Bosses one and two. You know him from Colossal, you know him from the Angry Birds movie one and two. You know him from Race, you know him from Code Grame, you know him from Permission, you know him from Sleeping with Other People, and you
know him as Ted Lasso himself. We recorded this episode in person in a studio two weeks after the finale of Ted Laso had aired, and it was very great to have a little debrief and finally get into his thoughts on life, death and movies. And I really think you're gonna love this one. We talked about so much that I've split the up into two parts. Part two is next week, and it's all excellent stuff. But for now, this is part one.
So that is it.
I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and sixty one of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I am enjoined today by a Miller, an angry bird, a coder, chromer, and ESSNELLA Joe Biden captain, my captain, a writer, a director, an actor, a showrunner, a creator of worlds, a man, a legend, a father to the world, a basketball champion, a pinball is it and a great lover. Please welcome to this show. I
can't believe he's here. It's only is mister Jackson's care.
Oh oh, I don't know if that was enough, ten too many or not ten too few?
It felt incomplete, But you know, I'll do the rest if we resurrect.
I'm only forty seven. I got time to go, right, I got at least five more years.
Yeah? How are you, Jason? I am all right?
Yeah, thanks for doing this. Happy hump Day, Happy ham Day.
Although these exist in a timeless, spaceless vacuum, right like they they're timeless.
Their time is, but they do have come out in a day. Oh nice, your instincts were right on perfect. So many questions for you can't start with like the obvious, we're recording this two weeks since the Sad Last Night. Finally two weeks to today almost how does your head and heart feel two weeks after having released the end?
If you releasing that released the Hounds? Having released the Hounds? Have they have they brought anything back to the estate good?
I think yeah, I mean it was it was pretty you know, hectic leading up to the release with just you know, the visual effects that you know, we had a fun fact that was given to me from our post crew was that, you know, in the in our finale season one, episode ten or one hundred VFX shots in the finale this year there were six hundred, So that's six times as many, right, Uh, this is you know, I'm sure there's math fans then listen to this, right
there's yeah, because they love the structure of it. Left brain satisfied, you know, with some right right brain daliances.
But yeah, I feel I feel good.
And then it was right after that I went straight to Kansas City to do with the charity event with a bunch of family and friends and so like I wasn't like in withdrawal right after bad I was I was like, you know, just in a whole other, you know, state of mind, you know, trying to get into that.
But but it's nice.
Because we met a lot of folks that, you know, had nice things about the show. I just watched it and you know, laughed their brains out, cried their eyes out, whatever, whatever, you know, they did however they responded. But yeah, we're all I feel. I feel fine, you know.
You know, you don't feel bereft, you know, grieving, not really you is your brain still still it's still.
Sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, and yeah yeah.
And and then even though like we're not doing you know, any of these you know events that the cast was in the town for, I got to see those guys. So that always feels a little bit like we're just back in the thick of it, you know. But you know, there's no not any time yet. And and and in a pinch, I'll just play FIFA. I'll play yeah on FIFA. Yeah, you know, there's always that, you know, it's like a methadone clinic for the withdrawals of of the heroine of Lasso Great.
I don't know if you've seen the video I rested on Twitter of I think a guy's filming his girlfriend watching.
The see that, yeah, and he just lose in her mind.
She's crying and crying, and then I think the answer goes, I'm gonna kill.
Myseln yeah, which which was like, that's what, That's what Ted's dad did. That's you know, for the reason all this.
No, so that was the takeaway. But bless her.
I mean, you know, they got to get those those vhs is back to Blockbuster too.
You can't rewatch it. You got to get those puppies back. You got to.
Rewind them, suckers and then get them right back. Otherwise that's a late feed that goes on your permanent record. A lot of people don't know. That's what shut Blockbuster down, is that they're like meddling permanent records.
I want to ask you sort of creative questions if I may, sure if you go from the start the start of these questions, you know, the answers to some might do and some might have a vague, right, but I kind of want to get into it. I actually don't know the answer entirely. If you go to day one, right, Ted l to final day filming. Honey, okay, I want to know how you see it in your head if you can articulate it, and when we're in the rights room and stuff, so you have a vision, but the
vision isn't complete. It doesn't have all the bits in it, of course not No, So how much of it when people are drawing in ideas and you're seeing stuff when it becomes clear, is it always like a puzzle piece guy and in like oh, yeah, that obviously that that's right? Or is it sometimes like yeah, this could work with that? Like how complete is the overall picture to you? Or is it sort of a tiny bit at a time.
It's a tiny bit of time the big I mean from soup to nuts, as the saying goes in a meal much fancier than I've ever had see with nuts. Well, it like starts with soup and ends with nuts. It might be like a nineteen course meal. It's a saying. I don't know, it's like soup to nuts.
I don't know.
We should look that up. So someone should look that up us know. But it was just about knowing the tone of it, knowing like the themes of it, knowing like that that was the stuff that I knew, and Ted's journey I knew, like I knew, you know, spoilers, I knew Ted had to go home. But there's two
much of a factor of other people's stories. You know, the writers, the casting, you know, the talents of those casts, the chemistry amongst cast members and stuff, and that you're just listening as it goes, and a great amount of the show just slotted in like a like a puzzle, as you were saying, like when you said, I was like, yeah, in a weird way that you barely had to like trim around the edge to make it to like jam it in or anything like, we're just sort of like
and then it was just trusting that. And then then you're just sort of waiting, never relying on it, but trusting that it's going to happen. So it's like it certainly was parts of that, I think, and I think that's part. The clearest example of that is stuff like, well, I think just the cast. I can't look at anybody in the cast and be like I wish we would have got like we got exactly who we were supposed to get, and everybody is like perfect at it. I think that's why they can become in the form of
a claimation version of themselves or a lego character. And that has a lot to do with also hair and makeup and wardrobe and the actors, you know, personal essence. But it also was a little bit the way that that all those things backtored and slaughtered and right into that role.
In my head. And I don't know, and forgive me if this is not true for you. Episode four of season one is when it all started. I felt like, not only did we as a cast, like I remember that read through before we hear evenything where it felt like this is cooking. Like I said, everyone is now comfortable in their parts. Everyone's getting this and we are all gelling and the chemistry is great. And it may have been there before, but I think everyone's confidence started
to come sort of episode four. And then I remember watching you and you when we were in that gala talking like it was the first time maybe I observed you in detail kind of painting on set, as in just walking around talking talking to people like this is
what you're thinking. Even I remember when Katy reaches over to get the champagne bottles, you had a word with the lady who was playing the Barger like you you were like Mary Pop in one of Dick Ventek's paintings, interacting with everything that this is this, this, this, and it was so it really felt like magic. And then also in the episode when Rupert arrived, do you remember, That's when I was like, this is all magic. Like
he was so fucking perfect. He when he first shouted at the back of the room, it was like, fuck me, this is magic.
They couldn't be more perfect.
Yeah, No, I mean for me, it was always in the it was in the pitch. I mean even when when like I'd have to look back at Brendan and Joe and I worked on back in like my house in December or like whatever, not December, but like in twenty fifteen. But it was certainly in there by the time, you know, talking him through with Bill Lawrence about it, and then certainly in the pitch.
I don't know if it was in the pitch, but it was in.
It would have been in you know, seeing Rebecca be confronted with Rupert and Ted coming upon her, you know, in tears and him comforting her was always there. So that was the first time that we were in a single location it wasn't it wasn't technical about episode because you know, we had this stuff at the beginning, you know, you guys, can Jamie get in a fight at the locker room and whatnot, But it was the first time there were multiple stories going on with like emotional undercurrents.
I mean, I remember that was that was That's really funny that that would been the first week. It makes sense to me and I remember all that. It's something about being on a field trip or like, you know, like at camp. We were at ted Lasso camp, and it was unusual. I know people, you know, you know, some folks who were concerned about that episode because we were setting up you know whatever the locker room and now we're already out of a different place and nobody's
in the same clothes. And I love that about that because it just accelerates community in real life, like when you know, that's I mean, that's what the whole Like one of the fun jokes about Speed is it's like, you know, relationships that start under a high pressure situation
don't end up, you know, and by speed too. She was right, but like, but for me, that's that's where you get to sort of see people outside of their elements, like watching them play board games or or seeing the way that they have seen them dance.
You know, it's like you see him in a little bit.
Where where there could be uncomfortable, a little bit out of their element. And that's what that episode was, and so everybody, yeah was and I was holding a lot of these stories and these arcs in my head because I remember that was the first time that I sat down with Nick and explained to him, you know, what was going to be going on there, and I told him just to sit you know, you don't get him and dance though, you just sit back and watch you
because you don't think you can dance. But you're just seeing like, wow, this guy, like how do I get to do? How can I do? How can I affect people the way he affects people? You know, And that obviously has you know, turns in season two where he where he doesn't you know, affect Nate that way any or you know, like the way he did, and he was at that moment, and so if you watch that episode again, you see just Nick just sitting at that table, like in that suit that Ted bottom being like he's
literally you know, surrounded by it but it was. But that was another magical sort of way things slotted in, you know, finding cam Cole, you know, the musician. Yeah, this was not too disimilar from the way that we found that Ted finds cam Cole, you know, when he's just walking by and walking through it's like all those little things, yeah, really really happen. But yeah, I mean, Tony Anthony Heads, you know, coming in in that white dinner jacket was just badass.
So you know, that's just like bad Rick.
From Casablanca, just like you know that Rick was a bad guy.
That's true, Is It's okay? Is?
I think what I'm trying to get is this is that in my head a lot of this is magic, as in I felt like when we made this show that it was with the angels, and sometimes me just go, I can't believe this. So in terms of in your head having to hold this whole thing, not just the story but the reality of production and two hundred people a.
Lorded, that's not on me by any means. But yeah, you know, I would argue that I probably had nothing to do with holding up together these people absolutely.
So you know, you don't have the complete puzzle, but you have elements of it. I guess I'm asking if do you rely on some sort of spiritual thing, like when it comes to you, are you like, where is this coming from? Has it been in the back of your head?
Is it? Yeah? With the angels? Do you know what I mean? Yes? Much? Is how much are you open to letting magic happen?
Oh? There's nothing but openness? Yeah, I think it's nothing but that I like all I was doing. It felt like to a certain degree from jump was like curating a great cookout, you know, and I'm just putting stuff on the plate.
But everybody's bringing something that they love to the plate.
Hopefully if they don't love it, then as I just kind of liked it, or it just kind of worked, or it felt like it was supposed to this is what was supposed to happen. Then like it usually just got it got called out pretty quick. There are a bunch of other fun stuff to choose from, usually from the same any of the same people, you know. So, but a lot of it is staying open to it.
You know.
I mean you can't you can't hold water and close fist, you know. So it's like you gotta gotta stay open there and see see who comes a drink from it?
And you know, occasionally nourish yourself.
But yeah, was there ever moments of like when we didn't have it yet, when you maybe what like, did you ever like lose faith, like, oh God, is the magic going to come because we don't have this piece figured out yet?
Or was we we just like patients patients didn't come yeah to I mean to to a certain degree. Yeah, I think I questioned myself, I know, for me personally the whole time. But I think that's just that's just the way I'm wired, I mean, even from jump, but also but also not worrying about it too much, you know,
or or getting caught up in it. And I think sometimes you know, I just sort of fall back into like an athlete's mentality of like, well, you've done, you've done in the work you practiced, you know, as much as this other team or as maybe as much as this other guy too, especially in my youth.
And the same thing with like coming from like an improv.
Background, where where well, I'm not one hundred percent on board at all times with improvisation being you know, sold as a product. I believe in it greatly as as a process in order to like, you know, create material and you know, live life and you know, drive on the highway, you know, like you know, yes, Sam, go ahead, merge, you know. But I definitely, definitely yeah, tons of tons
of self doubt. I think that's that's healthy, you know, and and and but never doubt about what it was, and never a doubt about being proud of what we're all making, and and equally as importantly, as often as possible, how we were making it.
You know.
But I remember having a chat with one of your fellow podcasters, Esther Perell, and she was like, how long have you had this idea? And I go, I don't know. She was probably your whole life, right, you know, you've been writing it your whole life. And I was like, yeah, lady, yeah, singo, you know Bullseye. You know, we're just in a buffet line. This woman, I tell you, you see right there, you just like they have bigger plates. And she's just like,
you don't need that big a player. You're right, I don't bless you do.
You have to have one is having done this and it's a monumental achievement. Is there like a tip you would take from making that to making the next thing, or do you feel it is a specific to this or would you just apply.
The same thing to your next thing. I don't know.
I mean I think personnel wise, I think it's sniffing out over the three years of where I think my bread is buttered.
What I think I'm better.
At how to navigate relationships that can exist under the guise of being personal but actually our only professional and how to how to you know, anticipate something along those lines and not being so reliant on the way I work, you know, but like an example would be of the none of the former things of the latter would be. I knew at some point that my me coming from you know, Sarah live, me coming from improvisation is not the way most people are trained.
It wasn't even training.
That was there, so much as the way I am used to executing things and so doing things at the last second. Isn't me you know, having the answer and then withholding it, you know what I mean. It's not
not some macafelion like you know, Dick move. It's like literally like oh in you know at eleven twenty five am is like or the sketch isn't done until it's on, and then even after it's aired, there's like, you know, dress rehearsal is better, and we can change that for the West Coast feed at least we could during my time. Now they show USNL live you know, across the country.
But you know, if there are a couple of times when I, you know, boofed the line that Lauren would be like, well, what if you want to put in you know, the West Coast, I was like, yes, please, you know, can we or if someone you know swore or any any of those you know, concerns because so they don't get fine doubly, I assume, but you know, i'd be I'd be more cognizant of that. But you know, Brennan and I are from that world. You know, Joe and I are from that world. You know, Brennan and
Joe and I are obviously all from that world. So like we are kind of used to it, and even the initial commercials were built that way. That'll be they'll be the two biggest things is this, Yeah, keep my radar up a little bit more on that, But nothing towards the process of doing it has made me more fearful or cynical or jaded towards the process of you know,
make doing ensemble arts at all. Know, if anything, it's just it's it's it's proven, you know, so many aspects of it, of of my belief system in regards to how one can go about doing it correctly. And that's only not through from within, that's from that's from you know, the relationships I've made whilst doing it, and and this neat thing that we made the response to it's great, We had no control over that.
I just love what we made, you know what I mean, like the like the responses, but you know.
Good, bad and ugly, especially once something has come to an end and people wanting a certain thing that that was there, that they felt was there, Like I'm not want to tell you it wasn't. I'm not wanting to tell you you know you're wrong, or I can answer any of the questions as far as what I think it is. Uh, And even that I kind of like withhold because it's like, who cares, Like I've told you what I what I think.
It's all in there. So yeah, And lastly, Accent, you are objectively.
An outstanding but I would say I'm like I learned many things from you, and I think I really genuinely lend it about accent for me, I think you're a phenomena accent.
I don't mind saying that, sweet you.
I think you're a phenomenon and one thing that I really really appreciate and love. It's a bad day scenes with you is you like Gueni Temple, like like i've and in that clast, but given you know, I know there are people number one and of course you who
don't do this. You give light and love even when you're not on camera and there's a specific scene I remember very well in the office where part of my performance is because of you, and you're not on camera as in your You're doing what essentially acting should be, but rarely is I think you're giving and reacting and listening and I say something and you reacted in such a way that it moved me, you know what I mean? And anyway, all that is to say, you're very very good.
But also how and you've always have been? Did you learn it? Is it natural to use it? Just because it's because it is unusual. I think what you do.
I don't. I don't know what I do. I don't know what I do.
I've taken a handful of classes, mostly improvisation. I've tried to make sense of it in the sense of like, why do I like this? Why did I even knack for it? I do believe it's similar to what you're saying that and endowing me with of like saying that part of your performance in that particular was shaped.
By my reactions to it.
And yet I believe that the majority of who I am and what I am and how I am is in reaction to the people I was lucky enough to be around by family and you know, and by choice, by you know, friends you know, so and and and the things that I watched growing up, you know.
And and then in.
Doing improvisation I was getting I would always get understandably because it was the time to try these things where you play different characters and whatnot, and I would just always play a version of myself.
And that I was kind of resolute in that.
It's kind of like almost like, you know, I would assume that even teachers of mine would be like, well, it's kind of a dick about it, like like Jason plays someone else, like, you.
Know, don't just play the guy you know.
And yet I got all these reps being in all these ridiculous scenarios that that all my clever you know, classmates and teammates and and castmates would choose and I would just get to play that reality. But as myself, and that's sort of what you're doing, I don't feel that I'm skilled in the way that like, you know, someone like Daniel day Lewis or you know, people that can turn into completely different people.
That's not that's not my knack as of yet.
But then I would, I think that you do. Do you remember the very first time we talked about the FaceTime one in the morning, my time, and one of the first thing we talked about was the film Colossal, which I think is excellent and I think you are excellent in it, and if people haven't seen that, it's really an interesting watch in opposition to Ted last because Ted Lasso is the most charming, lovely, delightful person and what I think is incredible about Colossal, And it's the
same thing I think we've talked about with Nick Muhammad and with most people when they play a bad person, are scared of being likable, pathetic, any of those adjectives, so they'll do it very charmingly or they'll do it with the pozazz, you know, and what you do. Yeah, and it is a spoiler I'm afraid for Colossal. But you start off as a kind of rom com kind of character and then you are revealed to not be a good guy. And when you aren't the good guy,
you're a really bad guy. Yeah, And it's brilliant and you're not likable. You take away all the things that make you know it's coming, and it's awful.
I remember even when watching the first time, I was like, oh, should I have like gone more like the Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
Route where it's like, which is a likable psychopath?
You know, like you know looking you know, not that I'm some sort of film whizzow or anything, but like when you look at it, it's iconic, but it's still Jack Nicholson and it's and it's perfect for that movie. But in this one, no, I would just I just yeah,
I just was making that choice. And again it to have the opportunity to do that in all those scenes with Anne Hathaway, and that was all Nacho Vigelando, the writer director, there's like, you know, brilliant Spanish you know, writer director who is an actor himself, who does all these great short films. And when I read it, I read the script, I was just like, every seven pages was something different.
I was just like, this is nuts. Who is this guy? You know?
And then I watched the short films like, oh that makes sense, you know, like and and he's fantastic. And had the movie, you know, been done in Spain or a smaller budget or someone like and he didn't sign on to it, he would have played the part that I played, for sure, and he would have crushed it. And so at the end of the day, the same thing with Lasso, same thing with like playing on his sports team. Same thing putting together a puzzle with your kids.
You just want to like serve the piece, serve the piece, and so like there, I wasn't concerned about one to play against the likability thing because I was aware of that being out there, and I'd done a handful of rom coms like Tumbled Down with Rebecca Hall and Sleeping with Other People with Alison Brie and all these badass women.
So I don't think i'd done Codo Chrome at that point.
No, But I think that was Nacho being very clever and wanting to like, you know, play against that, and so I, you know, happily leaned into that with him too. And I've always enjoyed hanging out with Ann. I think she's just a tremendous artist and just human human being.
Like she was always a good luck charm of sorts for me, and when she hosted start Out Live, always got pieces on and always had fun things to write for it, because she just reminded me so much of you know, women I would have been friends with and probably had crushes on if they weren't dating old or cooler guys. But you know, so many of the gals that, like my sisters, you would dance and do a theater with. She just has like that that verb about it that
was so fun to play against. Because she was in her own movie, you know, almost you know, dealing with like themes of alcoholism and you know, and I was dealing with like this, you know, men's right, activist activist stuff, the stuff that became you know that we you know was then soon after that widely became defined as toxic masculinity.
It's kind of we're right in the thick of that.
Okay, last question, Yeah, I think I'm the same, not just.
I don't know if I give any any answers in the acting, well, they genuinely don't know what yeah, I like, no, you know what I mean. So, for example, listening, and the reason why people don't see is because we don't edit things that way.
We don't.
We don't like on stage, you see the person listening all the time. I couldn't take my eyes off them. And in movies and television you have to because the director goes put it over here, I'll put it over here.
And it's quiet for a second. Quick Yeah, yeah, you know some more than others.
Okay, genuine acting questions and you may not know the answer. For example, we do. We're at Wembley and the Men City episode and we're filming O day and at the end of the day we have to film your phone called Start Sharing to say about your dad, and you're crying and it's a very powerful scene. But that has come at the end of a big day of stuff happening, where you've been show running, and so it's not like
you've spent the day quite preparing for this moment. And I think we were actually like pushed for time, so I think it's two.
Takes maybe, so I would get that that would become pretty calm. But that was also my doing because.
I I didn't want to obsess about it.
Well also, you know, especially any of the speech that to give, I usually was learning as I was saying and writing and sometimes writing them to you know, just weren't polishing, you know, but yeah, sorry.
But so for a moment like that, which is I would argue unusually demanding you hads crying? Did it speak as thing? But you've had no daytime to prep for I'm sure you've thought about it, et cetera. Do you know what you're doing as in walking to the car park to film there is there something you're doing to switch that on?
Or is it instinct? You just do it? Like do you know?
I mean I remember it like yeah, because it was and we and we did it.
We did it all in one.
And then also we also had to nail it because Brendan was walking up, because that's what linked into episode nine, and we had to have that blocking exactly figured out, which is very unusual for us to have something outside of a prop but like to actually physically block something that we knew it was gonna work.
And the son was going down like it was. It was like, you know, but we did have it.
We did because I knew I knew how the how nine how we would show the same moment, you know, in nine's reality of following Beard versus staying with Ted.
You know.
I mean, sometimes you listen to a song or something like just to kind of ooh like ground you. But then also just on the other side of everything going well, is also everything going as ship, And so I think I think I also find myself like I mean, that's that's mostly a confession scene, you know, where like he's he's saying this thing out loud that that is that maybe I was just maybe I maybe I just thought as corny as that you're just doing, make believe that.
I'm just literally thinking about what if what if my own father would have made that made that decision, how many things I would have been deprived? You know, you know, loving my father as I do, and knowing how much he loves and others love him. I think I think it's probably just like, O how sad that would feel.
But you did that in a very short space of time.
Yeah, Like, yeah, I just sort of find Yeah, just kind of like sit there. And you know, that's one of the lovely things about having someone like Chip, you know, like who I've worked with time and time again. You know, I've known Chip about six months longer than I've no notice, you know. So it's like, you know so, but I try not to be very indulgent in those moments, you know, like you just want eat, but I also an indulgent
meaning I don't want to like run around. Although you go back to Colossal, I do think I was, like I was stand off. Is like like there's a certain when you play a certain way or being asked it can't help it sort of enter your spine. It's like it it goes back to that old you know thing of answer the phone with a smile, you know, like for sales. It's like you trick your brain into into
these states of mind. And if you and so like Colossal, I feel like I like, especially in the back two thirds of the movie, it was probably like quiet on set.
Yeah, you're just in that all day.
So I tried to do that, especially with all the different hats had to wear at ted lasts, and even just the tone of the show, Like I mean, we joke about all the time where something silly like you.
Know, what the hell is this show? You know, like just so this is ridiculous.
But yeah, that one, I think, I just yeah, you just try to do it on the on the walk up to the thing. It's also easier sometimes if you're by yourself too, like in scenes, because he already feels so isolated and I have to I have to like wipe the tears away before you know, Beard comes walking up to and sort of like put it away. Not that he knows a little something, but he doesn't know exactly what right, But he's in his own head so like he doesn't quite notice. He's too pissed. He pissed off,
not pissed. That's the way you folks said when he's getting there. But I like, I think it's just like a little bit of make believe, a little bit of isolation, a little bit of music.
Do you remember this alngu no?
Maybe the dance by Garth Brooks. First, the first verse is pretty nice looking back. The times needs start, man, you know, man, that one always it's lovely because it feels like a little bit because I feel like there's a great deal of regret there but also this like profound release, and he just was like fuck it, Like I just watched real pain, like I've always been into that, Like you know, like I just watched you know, this whole Jamie the thing with his father, you know, and
Roy hugging Jamie. It's just like and I was I couldn't I couldn't move. I could only run away, you know, like I feel like my dad did. And so now I got to show up at the Gates of Heaven and the only person there is doctor Sharon, just like dump it all out and say please let me go back, let me go back.
I want to go back. You know. Oh, but here's Beard. You know. It's like, you know, all that kind of just crying. Now, if I were to.
Think about that was the day. That was the day we did. I remember what we did in the morning. But something really really said they you.
Know, probably all that stuff out in the pitch right like where we're like you know, like yeah, like yeah, exactly, yeah.
And then all the the stuff about the pitch.
This pitch is small, and you know all that band Turst thought that we would do all the time.
And then suddenly everyone's crying with same, he's dad, and then you went, what is this different?
Folks like in the cast and the crew that were really you know, we're emotionally reactive to huge emotional reactions to that scene as and and of course you know mister Tart coming in, hearing coming in just like crushing it and just being like a prize fighters just separate himself from on the other side, and just like fry So good Man, so good fucking you and philm give me a break.
Give me a break.
Okay, there's something I've forgotten to tell you, which I should have told you. Do you know what, of all the people I'm telling this too, I always forget it's mad. But like I'm kind of often i'm telling people this they're in the middle of something.
I feel terrible, you know what I mean.
I feel like if you're gonna go at least, I mean, I think it's never a good time.
I just got to say it. You you've died. You're dead. Dead boy, boy, You're dead.
That's not where I thought that was going, right, Yeah, but I guess that's how it usually happens.
Right. Did you die? Assassinated? Nice? Assassinated over a misunderstanding?
Oh?
Wow, which is the worst way to go. You're mistaken for someone else. Oh no, no, understood what I was what I was saying.
But it's assassinated, which I think has a socio political like overtones to it.
It sounds input that you're right, if you're assassinated, you're important, I guess.
But but like so I should have maybe looked up what the definition actual what makes assassination assassination? Like not all squares are rectangles, but are squares that you know, I think you're very important if you're assassinated and it probably has world consequences.
Kill someone probably a crimeate passion. But if it assassinate someone, it's.
Like, okay, then maybe it was a misunderstanding of who I was. Then I thought it was maybe over something I said, and like that it became a political like mantra for a group. And then then I became the focus of it, and they, you know, they took me out. But maybe people had me confused, like from the back they saw like a sweet lefty jump shot and they're.
Like, kill them. So you was playing basketball.
If we're gonna go with that scenario, yeah, absolutely, yeah, But I and I think it was probably like outdoors and it was probably a sniper. I just wanted to be assassinate. I wanted to be me. I wanted to be misunderstood something I said and like so.
You don't even know why. Maybe for years, maybe some.
Of this ted Lasso swag I got in the wrong hands, and my picture on a poster that said believe, and maybe people used it to believe the wrong thing, and so they came after me.
This is entirely it's entirely bossed.
You know how many how many times have you have you ever had to buy your own episode of your podcast back to get the rights of the idea so that you could This is how you own your own catalog. And you're not gonna ge swiftied. Yeah, you're gonna have that happen. You know you're gonna buy them back and then after crack the code, you know, you know you can take the boy out of London. I'm the street smarts all the way through, even those are cobblestone streets.
You know, do you do you worry about death?
I do now with kids, my own death, not theirs, I mean to a certain less So now I mean the first couple of years when you have kids. Your real job is just to keep them alive, but a little more now.
In a in a in aping way.
No, no, no, just just little moments here and there with like, oh god, what if you know? But it's not like I haven't given you know, notice, you know, our days of the pass code to my phone. Yet it's not I'm not that worried about it. I think that's when when that's when you when you're really worrying, when you give up your you know, your iCloud password.
Then my mom just sent me her eye like some link.
It's like, that's like if I if I pass away, this is linked all my my digital files.
I forget the name of it. Have you done your Google death plan? No?
No, no, I haven't see your email if you die, mine will if I.
Die, Yeah, it will explained.
Oh that's nice, like physically like actually, like anybody that has your email just link a little like aneurysm, a phone annualism. We're just like, oh my strangers one blank, Oh my god, must be done.
And I hope he was a mistaken for summit as in a bus. No, I haven't, I haven't done. I haven't I haven't done that. I haven't prepared for my dot. Do you have a will? I don't right now. No, we're supposed to. We didn't get to it. Yeah, I've got one.
Yeah, it's very specific about my films. Yeah, individually, give them one two weeks person and the rest.
It seems like I would have gone on that bandwagon though, right after Knives out came out right, and that's what everybody started. I gotta do a will right, knights out right. It wasn't that all about a will being read or something like that. Yeah, tell me this. What do you think happens when you die?
Oh? Golly, what does happen?
Imagine it's a quick combination of very dark and then very bright.
Mm hmm.
It seems like it seems like there's gonna be either strings or woodwinds. Okay, yeah, I mean probably right.
I just don't. I don't have to brain the holes all that. That's why.
That's why i'd call someone up and be like, hey, what does it sound like when you die? And then you go something like this, Yeah, that's it. They just do it out their keyboard. Like I said, have a magician. I don't know. I don't know if it does. I mean it's probably different for everybody. I feel like mine would start like the sound of that crank that that the monkeys. The monkeys play when a monkey cranks a box, just before even the music even starts.
It's like it's like, oh, we're doing this that something like that.
Yeah, maybe like that, Yeah, or falling over into an abyss who knows, I don't, Yeah, for the ride, whatever it is.
It's a bit like Sebastian and Kiss the Girls. Mm hmm. As I just saw the wings. Oh maybe is that from the This is okay? This from the animated Yea, I've seen the new one. It's fun. Yeah, it's good. I mean it was great.
Daisy was like a dramatic enough to me telling me how it was different from the animated She actually he actually saves her. Makes sense why they changed this because it does. Yeah, she's sitting there with a little pen light, legs crossed, little dickhead. Just enjoy the story.
She was in it. It was great.
Well, so you think that's enough to I think there's I think there is something else.
It is true. I like between the times that I've.
Done mushrooms and having done enough improvisation or found myself in quote unquote the zone which I you know, happens. You know, it's not like an all the time thing for me. When it happens, I notice it. And then even with elements of it that have been you know, photographed and broadcast like on our show specifically, I know that that it's like, oh no, that was that. That that was something. It feels like there's something else out there at least give that. Yeah, but it feels it
doesn't feel like this is all just for this. I don't think and even to live like this is all there is like nihilistic. And I guess maybe what people say that there might be squandering. You know, you're shot at a legacy, and a legacy doesn't that necessarily mean that their statue is built about you or or or or even that you were assassinated.
I think it might just be you can think.
Think globally, act locally for your legacy, you know, like keep it, keep it in the family, keep it in the house, keep it within yourself, keep it as an example you you let maybe that that vibrates you know, beyond you butterfly effect style.
You know, so it sounds like a nice thing that that sounded like a horrible things.
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, yeah yeah, no, no, no no, I don't think every body has to aspire for a world renowned legacy in order for them to have a legacy.
Well, I got I got news for you. You're right, and a lot of this. There is a heaven great, and it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Like taco bell, It's a tack. It's a giant it's a giant tackle. Everything is TACKI based the seats sort of.
Okay, I mean maybe I should change my answer.
Then you've made it. You're sat in giant attack guys. Very sot. I'm just kidding. You don't mind it. And everything's tacky, and they're very excited to see the tackle. People they walk around with black Beans's eyes and this and this.
Is again it's kind of a nice just more of a namer I think people they're very excited to see and yeah, I'm just hungry lord.
And they talk to you about your life, but they want to talk to you about you that through the medium of film.
Oh it's nice.
The first thing they ask you is what's the first film you remember seeing?
Now, look, you send this questionnaire. You know, right, and just to the people who have a peek behind the curtain. And at the end of that questionnaire, you you say, don't don't you dare say these fucking movies because everybody.
Says, for the record, it's been a while since people have said these movies on that list, so that list is becoming you can say these movies.
I have to say this movie because it's it's it is literally the first one I remember, but it was Mary Poppins, Mary Poppins in the theaters. Now we obviously didn't see it when it came out because it came out like in the sixties, right, But we were in Chicago, and you know, there were thes and then the older cousins around our age with the Muldoones. Aaron is the oldest girl, then me, then Kelly, then my sister Kristen,
then Ryan and then Lindsey. Like those are our two families combined, you know, as far but in the in the in the process or it's like it's like Marty had a kid, Kathy had a kid.
Maybe there's some sibling rivalry there that I don't know.
But they went boom boom boom, boom boom for for a while. I remember being at my nana's house. Yeah, exactly right, and we went to remember Marty saying, hey, do you guys want to go see Mary Poppins? And all three of them were like yeah, and me and I didn't like not knowing what that?
What is? What is this Mary Poppins.
It's like, oh, it's a movie, it's great movie, and okay, great, we go see it and yeah, knock my socks off. I mean I must have been five, like maybe maybe Lindsay wasn't even old enough. Maybe it was just me, Aaron, Kristen, and Kelly, because I don't think Ryan and Lindsey would have been old enough at this point, because I know I remember having like an ET birthday party, so like that I would have seen and like I saw a Return of the Jedi in the theater, So that's all
in my early eighties. So this had to be like maybe like seventy nine or even eighty. I mean, I guess it could be up to when a Jedi come out eighty three, eighty two for ET. So I just had to be like, yeah, probably five or six would be my guest. And we went to we want to go see it? And to see it on the big screen and then knew all the songs, learned all the songs, bought the album, like same way I am with movies now if I respond to him, or at least you know, have been throughout my life.
But yeah, Mary Poppins is fucking phenomenon.
I find it quite devastating, and having watched it again recently, it does make me sad that at the end the dad missed the banks, he quits his job to live life with his children, and within twelve hours, as the film is ending, someone in the bank says, it was amazing what you did.
Have a promotion, and he sucks straight back into the missing.
Yeah, but with a different with a different point of view. He's probably gonna he's gonna leave it five at four fifty nine. He's got more responsibility, he's got he's got now, he's got two executive assistants. You think, oh, especially back then he's working late. Oh my gosh, he's two far
more talented, capable women looking after him at his job. Yeah, before Joan and Peggy even existed in the minds of you know men, these are women that weren't even allowed to vote, so like, yeah, so they were suffraging the suffer jets at the bank on his beat to make sure he's okay, that he can get out. Now they're still staying untill nine or ten. No, I mean that's you know, that's about that.
That's you know, like that's the spin up. I'm very happy to.
What absolutely it's got to be cooking again this podcast. Hell, you know, Bob Iger, we've this wild be the we're allowed to even talk about these ideas.
Strike we can talk don't make any nice. What is the film that scheduled the most? Do you like?
I do?
All right, I prefer the comedy version of fear, like the Surprise there. But I don't know if I do like being I don't think I do. Actually, you don't like extreme stuff. I don't like like you know, like like like the stuff you've been doing recently.
Know not because I'm afraid of dying.
I think I'm just like, I mean, I guess it probably is ultimately, but like it just feels like I don't like, I don't I don't want to be with that point one percent you know of something where you know I already can't smell you know, he's so great and hearing. I've you know, gone too many concert the hut, you know, like just down the taste, touch and touch. I want to keep touch. I don't want to lose my sense of touch, you know. Like all the other
ones are shot. They're I'm operating it like seventy five percent at full capacity. They've attrophied like a you know, like an iPhone battery, planned obsolescence.
That's what I am as a human.
But but it's funny because you know, I've recently was when we were writing season three, when we were here, so I've been twenty twenty one. Yeah, yeah, I was twenty twenty one. We were writing, and then we filmed it all during twenty twenty two.
Yeah. Now it's twenty twenty three. I know, I know what's what I mean, keeps cooking.
I downloaded The Village the Resident, an Evil game, and I was like, oh, this would be fun. I'll play it like on Halloween. I'd lasted five minutes. I go, what am I doing? This is horrible. I just downloaded a game for the PS five called The Corey.
Do you know about this game?
I recommend it to you because I think we can all get in there and it's basically like a early two thousands like horror movie, but you make choices like almost like I choose your own adventure thing.
But it looks fantastic.
Otis and I played in the Broad Daylight, you know, like like one o'clock in the afternoon, just the first you know, beginning part. You know, a guy and a gal who are on their way up to this camp where they're going to be counselors for the you know, the summer. I'm not gonna spoil anything for you, but they get murdered. No, I don't know, I don't that's open ended, you know. And then it goes to credits and you're just like, this is great, but it was frightening.
And Otis and I were both like and I was just like, make sure you lean on me, so I know you're here, Okay, you lean on me. We're just like, you know, sitting there well, you know, daisies in the pool and splits splashing around my sisters. But yeah, so I also remember going to hunted houses as a kid, like in high school. Did they have those over there? But because I mean Jack the Ripper, it seems like they probably do more.
Yeah, we've got yeah, we had in the London Dungeon, you had the right scary bit.
We had like you know, legit haunted houses that'd be that'd be seasoned, only open around Halloween time. And we had a great area called like the what was it called the West Bottoms or something like that, where all these different haunted houses would be set up at the warehouse district in Kansas City, and one was called the Edge of Hell, you know, and they'd have slides in them and stuff like that, or you know, you know, people chasing you with chainsaws without the chains on them
and all that around the noise. And I would go through them because everybody go through them, but I would usually just bury my head in the person in front of me and just closed my eyes. And I realized, if you close your eyes, not as scary, and the thing that removes all fear and notice was like.
Let's play it again. Let's keep playing it, but let's turn the sound off. You turn the sound off.
It's like ladi da la daia da. So you know, their headphones weren't a thing as much of a thing now, you know. And I wouldn't have thought it earplugs because I wanted to be able to hear someone say watch out.
Going through those haunted houses.
But yeah, but the movie I picked, you know, at two different points in my life.
Well, the one I wrote is The Exorcist.
I mean, I know it's classic, but there's something about that journey of normal life into something something happened and then it wasn't It was supernatural, but it wasn't like Freddy or it wasn't Jason.
It was like this little girl and it was happening in here.
And it also dealt with like, you know, good and evil and priests and people that I was familiar with at at my church. And you know, we grew up a Catholic going to a Catholic church and then went to Catholic school for a few years, and so all that icronography turned on it's on its head if you will, or upside down more often.
Yeah, really really got me. And I loved the book too.
I remember, you know, I haven't read a ton and ton of books in my life, but like that was one that like just like really really got me too.
That it's really scary to exist.
Yeah, I mean it's it's and I know it's almost cliche, but that's it's that good and to have so many derivative you know, films come out of it. Sequels, yes, but also things set in that world in realm, like yeah, you know those you.
Know things.
Something it's a film. Maybe we'll come back to it. When you hopefully mentioned the film that you said you might mention. But what the extra specific film, Yeah. What the extoss has, which I think I'm becoming more and more obsessive, is it's got such atmosphere. Its atmosphere in a way that not all films has something to do with sound. And it's a lot of what Spielberg used to do in like his seventies films, like he doesn't eat and he does in yeah, but where it's like sound.
But also I think there's a sense of improving with the actors, Like everything feels pretty real. Yeah, and it's very grounded and full.
The whole world feels you know what I mean.
Just yeah, just felt very real and lived in like that. I think that's part of the reason that scared me so much. And then when I started to like get into movies and figure out and read about things, it's like, oh, some of the stuff that when freaking pulled off during that during nothing sounded equally as frightening. Yeah, you know, I'm just like, wow, that's crazy. You know there are things, Yeah, there are things.
You read it. You can't do that. No, you shouldn have done it. Then why could you do it that?
Why could you fire a gun next to a little girl's head?
Is good? A reaction? You so bragging about you now that it's great? They really twisted that girl's little girl's neck all the way around.
I know they put a little ball bearing like got rid of like one of a vertebrae put in a ball bearing.
You know this, and what was the movie?
I'm so so I'll always be curious about ones that I may have, like because when you sit down with us, us, you know, having these as we've had We've almost done this podcast and conversation, you know, throughout our you know, the last three years knowing each other and working together so much, that would like, I'd be curious what the other one.
Is doesn't come up and it's gonna bubby for the rest of this time, just wanting that was Afraid of No as Atmosphere?
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I love that movie and I just rewatched that one, so it's such a great I mean it just feels real. Yeah, just like lived in and a broad Strokes kind of magically. It's a bit speel bag. Yeah, I would imagine you. And yeah, I mean I'm trying to I don't think I wrote it down, but I didn't.
I don't think I slotted in questions yet.
Well, yeah, I love that movie so much that I've downloaded a number of chess apps on my phone. No, but Otis and I started playing again. Him and Daisy were taking classes. And he's not he's not a prodigy, but he but he is.
He is. He is good at it.
And he had this amazing teacher in Brooklyn who would come to the house and teach the game is like a story and and and yeah, he remembers all of it.
And so it's been but the kids.
You know, I watched that with Otis and Daisy days dipped out because she got really tired. We started too late. She missed the last half hour. But Otis was riveted by it. And you know, I think it's so profound and I think had a tremendous influence, unknowingly on our show.
You know, all that father and son stuff and about being excellent. I mean, not necessarily so much of it, I think.
I think there's so many interesting themes and such a badass cast of people we didn't know yet, you know.
Yeah, and isn't it like.
Yeah to any words yesterday and I was like, it's something like they don't make films like this anymore, Like i'veen, there's something kind of classical storytelling about it. It's a bit it's a bit magical in the way it's directed because of this child's I view, But it was always so beautiful and emotional grounded, and I.
Don't know a big thing.
It would be an independent movie here now and you wouldn't be able to get like it feels epic and no, I mean it was that Steve Sallien's first day, the first one he directed, I believe.
So yeah, anyway, that's not answering any of your questions. So what is the film that made you cry the most?
I mean recently, it's been It's a wonderful life.
I just think that the movie is I think the movie is so perfect, you know, like, and people hated it when it first came out. Was one of those like Wizard of Oz and you know, like all those you know things, but that I think that movie is so clever and and each each year i've watched it, especially since becoming apparent, Yeah, more and more profound and correct, you know. At the same time. You know, another big
one that came out. I remember watching it, and it may have been the time and place, but it still knocks me out.
Is Soul as well. Soul Soul really.
Levels me like that, Like maybe that that I remember timing of that if that would have been, because there's a piece of music there that I called Epiphany that I listened to all the time.
Yeah, came out Christmas Day, Yeah, Christmas Day twenty one when we write twenty.
Yeah, I remember that, yeah Christmas. Yeah.
So I probably may have listened to that piece, but probably not because that piece, like it makes me sad, hopeful, sad versus what was probably needed for that scene and that we were talking about earlier with you know, conn Doctor Sharon. But that being said, those yeah, those two movies, and they're I mean, in a weird way, very similar. Yeah, they're not in a weird way probably intentional knowing the folks of PickStar, not knowing them, but knowing of them.
I've watched The Epiphany and so many times because.
The scene makes me.
Yeah, it's as a reconnects me to well that magic when I feel sad, like I really I think it is.
I mean, it's up there with the profound scenes.
Absolutely no, I mean, and it's so just a bad leaves, just a little helicopter, little helicopter seats, you know, through the good fortune of working like with talents music folks, they say musicians, but I think music folks sounds sounds like I know him more. But like with Tom how you know it does you know our score? And and Hannah wanting him, you know, asking asking why certain notes evoke these like why does this make me cry?
Yeah? You know the story of tonight.
I remember Hannah and I took you know, her daughter and notice some days to go see Hamilton, and I was like that that moment.
I mean, dear Theodore is an easy piece. I get why that makes me cry?
Like that's you know, like made me cry, you know, like before you know, I haven't understood, but the story of tonight like gets me every time. And and she's like and Hannah, like I like the way she just crises, Like it's just there's they just they're crunchy notes. There's crunchy notes, and I feel like there's knowing so that in epiphany, but there's also the structure of it, because that's what with Tom that I was asking.
I go, why they dangle this?
And then it just like stops for a second, and then it like then when it comes tumbling down like into the endto the actual what I would assume, you know, would be the epiphany.
And I don't have it tied to the visual like you do.
I'm only listening to the music and trying to like make sense of that, you know, not that either of us are wrong, but but but he's just like, you know, and then he couldn't quite articulate it. But but I think he thought I was trying to give a note for like the score on.
The show, and I wasn't. I was just talking about it. He goes, do you want me to get you in touch with that?
No?
No, no, no, no, you know you're fantastic. I love what you do.
I'm trying to ask you, like it's the same thing that people that I, you know, I've been partners with that when not having a sense of smell, well, they'll try to describe to me what something smells like, you know, through words, you know, like it's never had a sense, you know, not that I remember, no, But Daisy does that now, like she'll try to describe what something smells like to me, and you know, you know the fella that walked. I mean today the lobby has a very
floral smell. Do I want to get into this now smell?
I don't. I don't want to burden him with with with that because I don't know, I don't know much about him.
Do you think having too much doduct in mathematic?
Absolutely?
I'm only thinking this now because I do believe we have within a storytelling structure.
Yea natural agree, Yeah, that's the heroes, myth and all that. Yeah, it's in there more now than ever. Why these things are satisfied, Why we like stories, why we need them.
And that's a music kind of the same thing in terms of what it does a thing, and you're you don't quite get it, but when it resolves, I.
Think, so that's I mean, it's just two guys that don't really know what they're talking about. And people listen to this, you'll shot you're putting some Absolutely, I mean it's all in there. I think that is why I
truly believe there's genius in all of us. It just has to be nurtured and has to be calibrated and has to be curated like like, and it's the heartbreaking thing about growing up and is that sometimes you don't find that groove you know or not, or you don't have the opportunity to find that groove, which is you know or or or someone removes that opportunity from you. Like,
but yeah, I think it's all connected. I think you know, nature, music, stories, you know the circle of life absolutely, and I think it is satisfying because and and it also feels like it can it can feel the opposite of that and feel unsatisfying if it but maybe it's supposed to feel that way. Like we've we've messed with stories so much.
I remember feeling like it's being so liberating, like the notion of Joseph Campbell's like Heroes Journey and him dissecting you know, thousands of years of stories into like these like sign posts, and people could be like, oh, it's so cynical, But I never saw it that way. I never saw us said, feels like story structure like as being cynical or like, you know, thirty pages, sixty pages, thirty pages. I was just like, no, that's just no,
one's inventing a new piano. Like it's the same piano that you know, your man Billy Joel's playing, my man Ben Foles, the same one. Amadeus is playing too many notes, he used too many notes, he was. That's just get a little smart at a little kid, you know, dicking around magic flu Like, come on, man, let's wr the regular flute. Flute can be magic onto itself. Doesn't be a magic flue anyway, don't even going. But but like
I think that's so neat. You know that you don't have to reinvent the wheel so much as make the wheel personal to you.
You know, it's always satisfying when it's done. Such a populous at the beginning is like ignore the code, you know, it does.
It does it all? Yeah?
They're all there, yeah, and it's what yeah, and it's and and it's but it is about putting those personal slot those slot those things in there. And that's obviously, you know, certain about a Fisher true story. Joshua Waite skin and his father is a sports writer like that the father wrote the book, and then Steve's allien who's just capable of creating story or finding story within a scenario.
Like, yeah, it's brilliant. I love it.
I mean yeah, I mean Rocky first, Rocky ends almost the exact same way as you, right to the fight, just like Karate Kid, John Avilton.
It's like fantastic. I don't need anymore.
Yeah, I don't need to see what happens in the parking lot, you know, like you won Johnny Game the trophy?
Congrats?
Man, are you kidding me? You know, Apollo creeping like a good job. I'm like, what, there's a little compliment from your nemesis.
Yeah, who knows? Interested? All right, what's the film that you love? It's not critically explained. Nice people that like it? You love it?
Do you know? My answer to no, you don't.
I thought maybe it would have because because I feel like I talked about it bringing up a lot and I had to go back and look, not recently, but.
I did it.
It's not as shut no, but but it's from the hip, oh ship from the hip. Yeah, but John Nelson, you know, written by directed by I forget the fellow that directed the same guy that directed Christmas Story, you know, which which is a movie that I love as well. I mean, yeah, my my my go to Christmas Holiday trilogy is It's More for Life Christmas Story and Elf like, oh nice, satisfying everything, everything's in the clear.
After that, everything's gravy. But I loved it.
Was written by David Kelly, you know, before before he had at least as far as I know, before he had, you know, created you know, all these incredible, you know, long running television shows, and.
I just love it.
I remember seeing it. I have visions of seeing in the theater, but maybe I just watched it a ton of times.
You know.
I was lucky my folks had HBO growing up, so I got to watch all these movies like over and over and over, you know, and that one I just loved. He's you know, really confident, confident lawyer, a young, young legal brain who wants to do trial law but isn't allowed to because of the bureaucracy. But then finnageles away into it, who then creates a case and it gets you know, press and all that. And yet there's some you know, like there's so many good plots in it.
There's so many good twists throughout, and John Hurt plays this, you know guy who I had Metaphorically, I could say it was almost like a Robert Durst type character who was like, you know, brilliant but more loquacious, more aerodyite than the Robert Durst from what I remember from the documentary. And he brings him on because this guy wanted, you know, he won this other case, the civil case about this guy punching this other guy, and he doesn't know the
machinations that led to him winning that case. But this guy wants to defend him, and he finds out, you know, that this guy might actually have murdered this this woman, and so now he's in this you know, the scruples and the and the oath that he took of who do I serve the law or my client? And yeah, I just remember as a kid just loving it, and I've rewatched it and I still love it.
I still love it bashly.
And it's like you know, like three point seven on IMDb or something, you know, like people were like, no no interest, But I think I think it's fucking great, excellent, and I love that it's it has a connection to one that I do one hundred percent feel the same way with you Greece too, because David Kelly Michelle Pfeiffer.
In Wedded Bliss for many Moons. Now, what a coup about that?
Right, well a couple, what a couple, the great Ingo Mango and maybe I imagine from the great TV rights.
Yeah, yeah, that's what you want to kiss?
Just kissing for the rest of their lives. And we don't know anything other kids. We don't know anything about, you know, like the kissing. Yeah, that's it. Maybe they're maybe they haven't made kids. Can you make kids from kissing? They've made lots of kiss froissing.
That's the kids, man, right, meaningful kissing.
Imagine getting to kiss yourself I have the rest of your life. Yeah, and be one of the greatest TV.
Rights and I have written from the hip, yeah, and and being that prolific, like good on them. But when I saw Greece too, I was like, that's another one that I do love genuinely. And that's one hundred percent because watching it over and over on cable with my sisters, he's knew every song.
It blows the first one out of the water. I don't you you've You've covered this one.
Hundred times, but you can cover it a bit because people they notice.
It's great. Okay, what is the film you used to love?
You loved it very much, voiced it recently, and you do not like anyone It might be the film film is fine, but you've changed, Like what's that film?
Golden Child? Wow? Yeah, so is Eddie Murphy coming.
Off the sweet sweet high of at least Beverly Hills Cop, which is you know, in my top five or ten, depending on you know, my moods, I guess, or what someone's asked me in the list. But yeah, the Golden Child, it just I loved it grown up because I loved
and still love Eddie Murphy. Like I just thought he was just the funniest, coolest guy, and he he was kind of this archetype and a lot of movies back then were and to a certain degree, like maybe even you know, ted Laso is rooted in this a little bit where they don't change much, you know, like everything changes around them, Like Beverly Hill's Cop is the example I give. Like the actual Folid doesn't really change much from minute one to minute you know, one hundred or whatever.
He changes the entire Beverly Hills Police Dement Police Department, you know, yeah, exactly, you know, but Paris Bueler kind of feels like that, like bugs Bunny is kind of like they always felt like that, kind of like impish, and they all had that same fun move of like shape shifting to get get into a Doric into a club into a you know, you know, a hunting club or whatever, you know, like and yet when I rewatched it, and it's been a few years since I rewatched it,
I didn't love it in the same way that I love Beverly Hill's Cop like it. The story for me is just kind of like a little nuts And if I were to distill it's nothing, you know, it's no single you know, person's fault or you know, something like that.
It's it almost ties back to why I love a Sventura one, but I didn't love Asponsura two, which was like I understood the rules of society that that a Spentua was violating, you know, in one and two when you put him in like a tribe that I don't know, I can understand the rules, but it's not doesn't have the same wish fulfillment, you know, him coming out of a bathroom and being drenched around a bunch of people in tuxedos and saying don't do not go in there
is hilarious to me. Him you know, coming out of a hippopotamusis butt or something like that. I was kind of like, I was like, I see what they're going for, but it's not as silly. It's it's more silly to me than than funny, you know, And I don't know silly me laugh as much as funny. But yeah, it's Golden Child feels like a little little nuts and yet there's still lines that I absolutely like love in moments
I love. They're just tied together very very loosely. That I did not care about one or the other doesn't mean I wouldn't watch it again. But I used to have that poster up in my room. Yeah, because like there are video stores and in my town, like you could there be a poster up when the thing was coming out. I mean they put a little posted, know in the back, Hey could I have that? When you take it down? And they you know, rotate them every two weeks. So yeah, I had lots of movie posters.
I'd for the thirteenth You know number six, which was Jason lives on a big you know, I was like, I gotta have that. My name is Jameson. You know, I've never seen the movie. I never watched any of them, but I was just like, yeah, you know, this is my name. But Golden Child was was was one of those posters I.
Had and Kunji's are weird, like, let's sort of make Beverly Hills Cop and didn't energize.
Yeah, I guess, yeah, it makes sense. I mean, it makes sense from a business perspective. It just it just wasn't as because I think I watched it right after kind of reigniting my love and understanding of why I love Beverley Hills Cop. And so I say, well, let me go back and watch this because training Place is badass, you know for eight hours.
Great, But yeah, that one.
I mean, I like Beverly Those Cop two again because I've watched it a ton of times on cable, and yet yeah, yeah, the Golden chowd doesn't doesn't doesn't do it for me anymore.
Have you tell Daddy Matthew that you love him? No?
I mean it was implied when I got to say I've only met him once said the Sire Live fortieth Did you do it with your eyes? I did it with my hand and shook shook his hand. Yeah, and I said, I said very sincere thing to him, and then made him laugh by making a joke because he was standing backstage with Chris Rock, who I'm friendly with. But I went up to him and I just said I was dressed in like the red jumpsuit and what up with that? I can't remember. I think I had
just done it. No, I think I was about to go up there and do it. But Bill Murray. This is literally how Bill Murray had just walked by me and said a nice thing about where the miller's all right? And I felt like, oh my gosh, like hoof. It was like he was he was complimentary about the movie. And I remember my friend Rebecca standing right next to me. Well, Bill said what he said and he and I go, thank you. I'm being serious, I fucking hope so. And then and then he laughed and he walks off, and
I looked for re back. I go, please remind me of all that because I'm gonna forget that, like probably like that was a lot, and she said, well that really happened then I go around the corner and there's Chris and you staying with Eddie Murphy do one up to him. I go, I go, hey, miss Murphy, my name is Jason Segus. I was on the show for you.
I know you are. I go, I go, I just want to let you know. I'm so happy that you're here.
This place wouldn't be here, you know, none of us post your generation would have got to do it, like for everything that you did when you're on the show and for the show, and uh yeah, it's just an honor to media. He goes, thanks man, I appreciate it. And I go, and you are to Chris, you know that made that laugh. And then I just go, hey, Mark Landsman, we all have the same business manager.
Then that was it. Then I got out of there like a blackjack dealer. Just clap, clap, hands up, show both sides, and then.
Get out with a pocket full of chips without anybody knows.
But yeah, that's good. It was great. It was It was so thrilling. It was so thrilling.
And then I have a great picture that I took of Will Ferrell and Eddie talking to each other at good night.
So it's just like there's two of my absolute.
Favorite performances of all time, you know, and uh, and here's me creeping.
I'm not in the photo. It's just me. It's just me thinking. I don't know, I want to screw that thing up.
What is the film that means? The Mice to you might not necessarily be a good film, but it will always be special for you because of the experience you had around seeing it.
Well, literally as I look at it here, I mean I I mean, there's several that come to mind that it's funny, because there's one right underneath it that makes me think of that too, and then there's one a little bit later that I think of. Three come to mind, but the one that I chose and here as Citizen Kane, and the experience behind it was and I'm sure I talked about elements of this like in the writer's room. So I apologize for, you know, being redundant, but like them, that's true.
I forget that, you forget that we're recording this at some point.
But so senior y in high school, I failed first semester and second semester. Second semester I had to go to summer school in order to graduate from from high school first semester. I had to go to night school all during second semester, like you know, like every you know, Tuesday, every Tuesday night for you know, three hours or something.
Like that, and we.
Or to just I mean it's basically just punishment, like I mean no, because it was completely different class work. You know, it was almost like you know, like the teacher was allowed to like freestyle. It was almost like having a substitute. You know, he's doing three hours. He probably had other classes he was doing.
I assume.
I don't know if he was a teacher at another school or anything like that. But he's a young fellow. His name is Brett Singer, and he knows this. He and I stay in touch now and he teaches journalism and and I'm sure it's still film and yeah, what's that Brett Singer? Yeah, Breton. Actually, if I think it's totally b R E T T O N.
Is that what my name is? Maybe? I don't know.
I don't know if if if, oh, that's a good point, I want it is Breton Bretton. But he goes by Bret Least that's what I have my fild. But he's mister singer back then, so you know, which is a great name.
But he he would.
You know, show films and it was like thirty kids and the majority of kids, if I was you know, generalized,
were were like knuckleheads. Like you know, kids had either got in trouble, like you know, so they didn't you know, pass you know, first semester, or they just are truant, or like me, they didn't do homework sometimes because they couldn't do the homework, maybe their learning disabilities or things that we weren't as keen on, you know, in nineteen ninety four, in the spring of ninety four that we might be you know, able to sniff out sooner.
Now and be able to help them.
So I was a little bit of an aberration, and that was made very clear to me by like after like the second time we have done that. We'd end it with a journal entry and I remember handing in my journal or maybe getting it back like affort. But it was a private moment between he and I and he was and he's like, what are you doing here?
I was like, what do you mean? He was, why are you here? Like all these kids like like you know, you.
Know, knuckleheads or this or that, and not that he was judging them, but but like there was something that he took to my writing and this thing, and I go, oh, I just I don't do homework. He goes, okay, all right, whenever a right, we'll see you next week, okay, something like that.
So he showed two films.
The first I mean, you should probably show more, but the two that I remember most the one, and it's perfect because the first one is like a short film.
It's one that we talked about all the time.
I know, I know Bill is a big fan of the occurrence Occurrence at alfred Bridge, which one you know at Oscar and you know, but it was also an early twilight Zone. They used it for the Twilight Zone
and that's an incredible, you know, short film. And so I remember being like, oh, this dude, Okay, he's going to show cool shit, all right, And he wonders why I'm here, like he's already kind of like a fan of the way I think or joke around, or like he knows I don't belong here, and I know I don't belong here, not not necessarily I don't belong to these people, because I think I do belong to these people, but I don't think I belong here, I mean we
or whatever it is. It wasn't again judging these other kids. It was just like, I don't know. Then he shows Citizen King one class. Now that's a long ass movie. That's a black and white movie. These are already kids that don't pay attention. These are already kids that don't give a shit about anything that you know, who knows their situation at home. And I I may have been the only one awake at the end of it. And I loved it and I was riveted, and then I
just then I just started reading up about it. And you know, there are tons of books at that point of Pauline Kale book, you know, interviewing, you know, like books about reading about orson Wells and just the way it was, the symbolism in it and how was the first fall? And and it really unlocked like this curiosity of how movies were made.
I'd always loved movies.
I was lucky my mom took me to go see plays, musical's dad took me to go see movies like we always went. We watched tons of movies at home. But I wasn't curious about how they were made, and that movie kind of changed it for me, and so that led to going to see like another great experience, you know, pulp Fiction because this was ninety four ninety five, you know, into that, and that was the first movie I went to go see multiple times in the theater by myself.
The first time I bought a screenplay was Pulp Fiction, you know. Like then it became this this thing that I could do by myself, whether I was feeling good or bad. And it was that moment that that absolutely unlocked. It was what he saw in me and then what
he shared with people in his enthusiasm for it. And yeah, I think I think it was absolutely a life changing moment and for the life that I'm really living now and the thing I do for a living while while living thus far yea, all that all that ship coming right back.
But yeah, that's what I mean, mister Singer.
Yeah, best fam with Mary Puppins and your Lifetime film with Susan Ken.
I mean these are big.
I know, it's like I always sound like a dick when I say Ken, but it's the truth and and it comes up again here, you know, because it's it's just a fucking humdinger of a film. And it's so obnoxious and ostentatious and like emballs me. I mean that guy was coming at that. I was coming after the number one dude that could like end you.
Yeah, that's the that's the stuff I didn't understand, I think because I saw it very young as well, and I loved it, but I didn't understand the hest of it.
Yeah, yeah, depressed stuff. I was still young to get with that, but I was only starting to get it.
I just, I just But I also loved the Jebediah Leland relationship. I love their relationship. I've always gravitated more towards the Joseph Cotton rolls and things that I've that I've you know, being the guy next to the guy, you know.
I think that's why I love Jesus Christ Superstar.
It's really about you know, it's about Judas or Salary and Amadeis. You know, like, yeah, this movie I did with Lee Pace where he plays you know, John DeLorean, I play like the guy next to the guy.
You bit, I'm Beard, yeah yeah, or maybe I'm maybe.
I was always the guy next to the guy and all the with all these other people sort of like sort of what.
It becoming, you know, like you know, but what it always was, you know.
Yeah, I would argue, I mean, the thing I love about says basic level is it if you haven't seen it, it sounds and looks like it's gonna be really boring.
Yeah, and it's fucking great. Yeah, it's no. The structure is very challenging. I even love the ad campaign ad campaign. One of the lobby cards was just you know, orson Well is sitting there like in that pose that he does. He looks like, you know, he's on the top of
a mountain. And then it has all the different characters, like you know, probably like four or five on each side, and one's like he's a saint, he's a scoundrel, he's a bastard, he's a genius, you know, like and I'm just like, yeah, I can't anyone be all these things to all these different people.
I just found it to be. I would say like that.
That and I'm Not There are probably two of my favorite biopics because they're a profound way like structurally, how to how to tell the story of of a of a person's life. I'm Not There With Todd Haynes, the Dylan moyah, yeah, fireusx right, yeah, and think it's brilliant.
I think, and and and then the thing comes back to where where it always is, like the punchline on all of it is like the fucking dude is twenty five, that's fucking that, but he's probably twenty three twenty four when he was like right there, like and and I know, you know, Irman Mankich, you know, it's tremendous handed.
I actually never haven't seen that film yet.
I've seen that film and then I've had I mean, I wanted excited and effects. Oh I knowed that everyone has debunked the story that isn't that film?
Yeah, or at least that's there. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's you know, he's.
Obviously a very type of boy whatever whatever he did, yeah, definitely, and definitely you know, and he knew he knew how to but Orsons do card tricks.
You know, what a guy? What a guy? No? I mean, I I.
Think that I find it to be bonkers to be able to do that, And yet it makes total sense that someone can come in with being like, well here's how it's normally done, and goes why like why not you know, just be like, well, it's good to have the reason why, like how's normally done.
I think that's important. I think it's important.
He respected the medium, but then he also only fucked with and broken Lovely Lovely. I was happy to be introduced to it at a point where I was looking to break things but in a positive way or breakthrough, you know that first phase.
Yeah, you've had a few Missus Ingers, haven't you. I have?
Yeah, by good good luck, good timing or just good fortune or yeah, staying open to you know, having them cross path.
Yeah, it's like what you if I may.
Yeah, sometimes you would say said, essay, people are angels to each other up when they need them and say the right thing that it needs. And Missus Singer was one of them to yeah, yeah, what's the film that you must relate to?
J S Daycas.
This was one that I realized I related to it, but then it was expressly when it was like it was expressed to me directly.
I guess that is the way.
Whiplash Love Love the Piece one of one of those movies that went in the first opening. In the opening scene, I was like I had to pause it and get on my phone to be.
Like who made this? What is going on here?
Like where I felt so taken care of, it felt so intentional, It felt like it like and it makes sense that it was you know that, you know, Damien Chazelle had made you know, a short film earlier it, but but regardless of that, I was just.
Like, what is going on?
And then found out okay, great yep, okay, great play never never never looked back, download the soundtrack right afterwards, look for the screenplay, same way I was with pulp fiction.
After I saw the first time, I was like, what is this? How is it? How's this done? And that's it.
There's no part of me that like I'm just glad it exists, you know, there's no part of me.
Like how do I do? How do I meet this guy? Do I do? You know?
Like and maybe that's just an error in like my show business acumen, but like for me, it was just like, I'm so like, this has always been here. It's one of those things that I felt like I've been here and I understood as well as I could understand it fully. And then the way it was expressed me directly as by our our dear friend and from a coworker Julia Linden, who was my assistant at the time, was like, of course you love that movie.
You're both those guys. I was like, what what did you say? A young lady?
You know, and because she's as you know, smart and thoughtfully, kind and clever and funny as they come, you gotta say with that. And I'm just like and it's like, yeah, I got a little bit a little bit of both those characters in me and and they and they fight constantly, constantly.
But the thing that is interesting about it, and I think, oh, I mean all of them, including I think, is that one theme in them. It's kind of creative obsession and perfection and obsession and work, big work. But they always seem at sacrifice to relationships. And in the case of Whiplash is an exception in that I would argue, as and I fucking love the film. He's not a very nice guy, mass teller, and he's not a good boy, like there's that. It isn't like he goes on a
journey where he loses his soul or anything. It's like he never he's he's focused entirely on this creative endeavor, which he achieves, but at what cost would usually be the question, and I would argue, and not much cost too, because he didn't he didn't like his governor, you know what I mean, Like he there's a lack of I don't think in the film, but in him sort of lack of.
Heart or yeah, no, I agree, and and and you know, to reframe it slightly, is I think part of the reason I was, you know, into it and I and I didn't rewatch it since since you know, I watched it like three or four times during that full time it was in theaters and Oscar stuff and all that. That mostly is probably like in relationship to to student teacher, you know, mentor pupil, you know, maybe maybe you know father son from that perspective of like guid you know, guidance.
That's probably mostly where it resonates with me, you know. But that's only the part that of myself that I have access to, you know what I mean, Like we sometimes sometimes subconsciously like I'm gravitating towards it for that for that reason too, but I'm not how often is I was willing to go there or or or as as capable you know, to go to go there with him, you know, the way you know, you can't tickle yourself, you know in that way. It's like that would be
the positive version. Can you really see, like you know your ship or does it?
Does it?
Do you only notice it when you look back in the roof of your mirror and be like, oh wow, I didn't.
This this, this, this this, I love this, this this this.
You know, well, I would just say you have more more heart.
Yeah yeah, maybe, but maybe you.
Know, but I understand the I would hope, I obs I guess, but I think, but I think there was he was still navigating that there. You know, I don't know, it feels like that I look at the you know, the father figure by Paul to be the guy who is you know, gentle and kind, and he wasn't going to there because there's a lack of respect there. But that doesn't mean it's not inside him and it's just lurking around the corner on the second he let's go some other things. Maybe that would be the what what
sun shines on his face? You know a little bit, But you know, until we get until we get whiplash too, you know, whip symbol, whipped symbol.
I'd love it. I'd love see what he guys and his dad and his laughs.
Sorry, yeah, it's just it's just an hour and a half dinner of that. Yeah, I just feel like, you know, I'm looking at family photos.
And says, you want to play me the drum said that he just did, and he guys, yeah, and they listened to it, and he guys, that's really good.
It's a great son Loud Loud did great was your teacher? Chris?
So he gave me a nude you know, you know how he is sort of raised his fascinating great answer. He's probably why everyone's listening. What's the film?
He fan? Sexy is Jason sudakiss.
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