James Lance • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #250

Look al, there's only films to be buried with. Hello, and welcome to Films to be buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer, a director, a natural redhead, and I love films. As Henry James once said, three things in human life are important. The first is to be kind, The second is to be kind, and the third is to be kind And the fourth is wherever possible to use practical effects. HM, hot take, mister James. Every week I'm by a special

Wow.

Hello, thank you very much. You sound exactly like my inner voice. I was saying all those things earlier.

Hello mate, Hello Jimmy. How are you nice to see you?

Oh? Hello, lovely man, It is nice to see you too. Yeah, I'm all right, you're right, Yeah, I'm all right.

I've got so many things to say to you, some of them I don't know if I've said to you publicly. So let's say one is, if people are watching season three of Dead LAS said, they'll be aware how fucking great Jimmy Lance is in it, and how I remember we talked about it and I think even we made a jack at some point because of the storyline in season three, you are in a lot of scenes where

I do.

I like it.

I like just I like just listening and seeing what happens, you know, the in the moment.

With that, there's not that much pressure.

You just get to sort of emphasize and you know, just kind of underline certain moments in it, which I really enjoy it.

I love that tell the listeners because you tell me something once, if you don't mind sharing it. I think it's kind of extraordinary. Is you only read the pilot and you in the same way that sounds similar in the way that I talk about, you know, feeling like I was roy and it was like a cooling. It's very sort of felt very strong. You felt the same way about Trent Krim, I believe, And in the pilot it ain't a big part. You know. Yeah it's a significant part, but it's not big. And you had only

I can with pleasure. Yeah.

I woke up one night and it was in the middle of the night and there was an email from my manager and it said this script came in. It said Ted Lasso, and I knew straight away. I thought that there's an energy to it. I was quite excited to read it. And he said I think there could be a role in this view, maybe the role of Higgins. And I read it do you know that? And I read it and I thought, I'm not going to get Higgins. But I saw this name Trent Crim double M and I thought, who is Trent Crim?

I just wanted to know.

And I read that little scene and I wrote back to my manager and said, hey, I won't get Higgins, but let them know I'd love to play Trent Crim. I'm sure it's just going to be a day play,

Yeah, yeah, and did you out of curiosity. I mean, you're absolutely perfect for trek here is stuff? Why were you like, I wouldn't I'm not Higgins, so I wouldn't get Higgins. What was it?

It was? You just get a fee, don't you? You just kind of know?

I don't know, you just sort of have you just I guess it's a connection or something. There was something I found something funny about the name trank Krim. It just made me laugh. It obviously it sounded quite Dickensian, but I like the idea of this man announcing himself, you know, and then following up the independent.

It just made me chuckle and that was enough for me.

Really. If I may say, if I made out you in this way, you're very spiritual man, and you are often unset with a book and it's off in a book about spirituality, and you carry around blessed water, And I wonder if you're have always been this way? Is this something you've been exploring recently? The fact that you feel energy and the scripts and all these things I think are right, But is this something you've developed over time or you're always this way?

Gosh?

I mean, I think we're all spiritual beings. And I guess the older I've become, the.

More I'm aware of how I.

Feel about things, and so I and now I kind of trust that much more than I used to. I used to sort of really not know how I feel about things, but I do trust my intuition. So I guess that's kind of my My general compass is just how do I feel about something? And and that's how I sort of that's how I guess, that's.

How I wrong.

And how how often are you like my day about like I think, I think maybe this or is it always very clear?

No, it's not always very clear.

But what I do know is that the right answer for me will drop in often at the very last second. So I try to just sit back and hope that that will happen. And it tends to. It tends to.

That's great. Yeah, Can I ask you one more thing? You tell me something once Nilly made me cry about a decision you'd made in your life about your career and stuff and what you wanted and then ted lesso happened? Can you tell that story or is that fine?

Yeah? Of course.

Well, so you know, I've been an actor since I was ten years old, so I've been an actor for thirty nine years now, which is a long time. And I've had many periods of being out of work, and at one point I thought to myself, I've got to go to Hollywood and see if I can make it. So I put everything I had into the part, went to Hollywood, lived just above Hollywood, actually lived there for four months, and I didn't land anything. I got absolutely nothing.

And then what happened was I found myself.

I was just always in bookshops and like going to like museums and eating in Musso and Franks and like really old places. And I suddenly realized that I'd been chasing this childhood dream to go and live in Hollywood, and it was irrelevant to me anymore. And I wasn't networking, I wasn't going to any parties. I've never been like that here, so I don't know why I thought i'd be like that there. At the age of four, I think it was forty two or something. It wasn't that

Change in my life. I need a big shift.

And then a couple of weeks later, my wife said, well, I watched her find out the result of her pregnancy test and she was like. I was like, and that was the big That was the big shift. And we became parents. And then this angel arrived and just not just rearrange the furniture, just rearranged my whole makeup, really, And at that time I finished the play. Then when he'd arrived and I was out of work and again and.

It's the theme of my career.

And I was giving myself a bit of a hard time about being out of work. My wife was working loads. But then I realized, I did this thing where I found out what my top values were in life. And I found out that my top value was to be a present father, at present loving father.

And actually I was one hundred.

Percent being there because Katie was working a way a lot, so I would go with them and be, you know, mister mum thing with all the bits and the bobs and you know, the bottles and bits, and it was just the most kind of important piece of my life. And then the other two things values I had were personal transformation, which was occurring at that time. And then the third piece was inspirational comedy because I love comedy

I love it. I love it, and and the thing is, I forgot to tell you something, and I just remember it as you're telling that beautiful story, and it seems a shame, but I also feel like you did it, you know, because it is lucky you did. Because the thing I forgot to tell you is I can't tell you you've died. You're dead dead?

Right?

Ah?

Yeah again again?

Yeah? How did you die? This time?

Where's you know? I've died.

I've had many livest so yeah, died many times.

For every lock of hair.

None of them have ended well. So honestly, so is this. Do I know I've died? Do I know I'm about to die?

You do? Now?

Just tell you?

Okay, great, all right, Well, if I have a choice of how it's gonna how it's going to happen, I'm gonna okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna wake up on this day. I'm gonna make love with my wife. That's gonna happen, Ella, ella. Three minutes later, it's breakfast.

I'm gonna go for exactly.

I'm going to go for like something like Catier Pepe for the For my final breakfast, I'm gonna go I like a bit of hot cheese. And that's not a normal thing, but this is the final day. And then and then I'm gonna I'm gonna put a group text out to all my mates to say, do yourself as a favor, go down the bet and shop and put everything on me dying tonight.

Right then, and then delete this text the sex. Yes.

And then my wife's gonna drive us. I don't know why I feel like being driven today. I normally like to drive. She's gonna drive us to Glastonbury. The festival is going to be on. We're gonna get right down the front, and I'm gonna watch all these incredible bands and all my mates are going to be there, and we get it because.

S the Family Stone is going to be on mid Lake.

I'm going to go The Mighty Nick Cave is going to headline, and then we're all going to go up to the stone Circle. I'm going to say to everyone, Hey, if I died tonight, I'd be a happy man. And then I'm going to nip up the hill. I have a cup of tea in a flapjack, and then I'm just going to nod off.

Even your death makes me cry, I assume, given you know, I'm a practical man here. It's a wonderful day you've had. And then you say you're nod up, So I'm assuming you've overdaated done Heroin.

Oh yeah, I didn't mention that the smacking.

Take No, okay, I mean it's a wonderful way to go. Yeah, I think, so wonderful way to go. I think so I did on Heroin at the top of fucking Stone Ende or whatever. Yeah, it's not bad, mid Flapjack, It's not bad. Calves in Heroin, did you in the air? Lovely day? Fair enough? Do you worry about death?

The only time I'm most worried about it is this week, thinking I have to think about it for this podcast, to be honest, because.

Since since, because that's the thanks for that.

I think I'd be a lot more humorous about it if if I if I didn't have if I didn't have a little boy.

It was that element of it.

I've already I didn't tell you this bit, but I'd already made a video telling him everything I think you might need to know in life, and I've left that on the side.

But I thought I don't. I couldn't quite. I had to.

I had to take it a bit seriously as something about not seeing him again.

Really it did me in a bit. So I don't really want to die because I'm much.

Not for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.

Not for a bit.

Okay, how old do you want to be? You get to choose here, so oh well, I mean bear in mind, slain the family stay still have to be a life, I know, but.

They could be those those holograms like Abbott can we.

Could maybe to be slave families, don't Yeah a gram? Oh nice, he'll be fine.

Yeah, maybe I'm maybe I don't know a mind my nineties.

Maybe maybe in my night. Maybe I'm a hundred.

Maybe i'm a hundred hundred.

Yeah, I'll go a hundred.

Do you think you get a card from the king when he's ten hundred?

He'll be dead by their money. Oh, I guess it'll be William.

Well wow, I didn't know you you were going to kill the king. Well, well that's a record. Wow.

Oh yeah, I didn't mention that.

Oh he'll be he'll be dead by the Okay, what do you think happens when you die?

Well, there is a theory that's when we wake up, and I quite like that idea. I do think we have I genuinely do think. I've been here many times, and I think the next I think the next bit is going to be great. I think it's going to be quite good.

Is the bit where you wake up, you're in the place where all consciousness comes from, and you remember all your past lives in your Yeah, I reckon having fun and you're and you're like a floating spirit.

Definitely having fun. Absolutely.

I think I think that's when it all comes together. So I think the soul that I am will be fully, fully operational at that point and it will all come together quite nicely.

H do you think I've been thinking. I'm sure I've vaguely discussed this on this podcast before, so forgive me, but I think I one hundred percent believe in reincarnation in many lives and stuff. The thing I find interesting is it's quite inefficient because you have a life, you learn these skills, you you build ideas, morals, ethics, whatever. Then you die. Then you come back with no memory, yeah,

Yeah, I reckon, I think I think that sounds about right. There's a little bit of a blip there, but I think on some level there's a sort of within that vibration that is where that it's a different type of memory that we keep. It's not the one.

In here, but there's a sort of a there's a there's an energetic memory that I think we carry.

That's why I reckon, Yeah, I love it. I love it. Well, good news, you've woken up and it's heaven rocking and they love you. There. It's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? My favorite thing is for some I don't know why.

I don't know why I think this, but I'd love it if Prince was there and he was dressed all in purple and he was like, yeah, you know, a bit like just really pleased to see me, and he says, hey, man, come come with me, and just sort of opens up this purple double I can imagine they're double doors, and then we go into this room. But I don't know what happens after that.

Oh mate, let me tell you that happens. He goes, hey, mate, come with me. He's dressed in purple. He opens up the double doors with the inside is ten million mini princes, all in purple, and they've all got guitars and they're playing purple h and any song you like. As you move amongst them, and they're like, hey man. All of them say hey man. As you walk through them. They're

Jimmy lance Well, Princess, The first film that I remember seeing is Ama Daeus, What.

An opening, Gambit's twenty The Young Time Greats. That is your first film.

That is my first film I remember seeing. Explain yourself. Well, how my mom took me to the cinema. I was a little bit too young. I think I was around I think it was a PG, but I was around ten or eleven, and she slightly snuck me into the cinema in Jovial, of all places, and I didn't know what we were going to see and it started, and my whole world changed completely just from the opening frame.

And then there, of course there was.

Saliary with you know, that outrageously cunning performance by F. Murray Abraham and I and I didn't know which one I wanted to be more. I just thought, I just want to be able to do what F. Murray Abraham's doing. But look at Tom Holtz, just you know, yeah, running around and laughing and just being being outrageous and and and then and and then just the whole plot, the sumptuousness of the of the production, the music, It.

Blew my tiny mind.

And I knew I knew before that I wanted to be an actor, but that absolutely sealed the deal.

Wow, And you'd never been to cinema before that, or this is the first time, you remember.

That's the first movie I went to see at the cinema.

Wow, Yeah, that's very that's late. Yeah, are you and are you an only child? I'm only asking that in because you just said you went with where there are athers.

I don't know why that's so fully. Are you an only child? It's like, ah, it all makes sense.

Alas alas alas Princess and Goldstein.

I am an only child. I am.

Yeah, never wanted to be an only child, very much wanted brothers and sisters.

You're a lovely man for an only child. Thanks man, with all love in the world. Is there a reason you weren't ever at the cinema before ten or eleven? I think it's because my mum and dad were evil. Yeah, that gets That's what I'm getting. It was the first time they let you out of the house. What happened here?

I don't know why.

I mean, I've actually got no memory I've seen any kids movie at the cinema before then. I was a big TV fan. We watched lots of I watched loads of that TV. But that they're a TV but in many movies wise, yeah, I just don't remember. And then and then a whole slew of movies came in you know, you know just what I made up for it.

But yeah, maybe that's why you're weird. No, I was going to say, such a lovely spiritual men. Maybe some of these films that ruined me. Maybe maybe the best thing was not seeing any films for ten years. Oh my god, I don't know. I'm retiring the podcast. Tell me this, what's the film that scared you the most? Do you like being scared? Are you easily scared?

I'm very easily scared. I do not enjoy it at all. And when my friend, the lovely Simon Hedges said to me, you've got to see this film. It's really beautiful. It's stunning. It's a masterpiece. Oh that great, Okay, I'll watch it. And I was away filming. I remember I was in a hotel room in Luton and I watched Midsummer Jesus on my own and I literally couldn't get through it.

So I had to watch and then I couldn't not see the rest of it.

So the second night, I watched the second half of that film again on my own in a hotel room in Luton, and it terrified me. I had the worst nightmares ever that film. I mean, I think it's a complete and utter masterpiece. But equally it is so psychologically disturbing and horrific. But the juxtaposition of the beauty of it is what absolutely destroyed me and I never want to see it again.

That makes sense, Yeah, I mean the semite about that film, and one thing about it is it does the thing the challenge, like the sort of horror filmmakers challenge of can you make a really scary film set in broad daylight?

Nailed it?

Yes, yes, h yeah, yeah, he absolutely came. Yeah yeah, yeah. Very disturbing film.

So disturbing, I mean, all of it just so disturbing, even even I remember there's this bit when when she sort of says Florence Peter's character says what time is it? And then he says, nine pm. You can't be nine pm. It's the sky's blue, the sky's always blue. Hearings at nine pm, and it was just those.

Weird little like e I don't like it, Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. When she says she doesn't want to do acid and then she does acid. I'm like, no, but he don't want to do acid?

No, no, no no, yeah, really yeah.

Great film. Have you seen his new one, Boy's Afraid?

Not yet?

No, you might, I wonder if you like it. It's not so scary. It's more of a comedy. It's very, very weird comedy.

Well, I welcome that. I love working in Phoenix. But I did see his other one before that, the Hereditary, and that that might be the yeah, the other most scary film I've ever seen.

I mean, yeah, that's that's one of my scariest persons. That ruined me for a week that way. What's the film that made you cry the most? Imagine you're a crier, are you?

I'm a huge crier.

And So I was in Dublin about I don't know, a year or so ago, and I was away filming and I was walking through the streets of Dublin and I came out across this lovely looking building. I thought, what's in there? Went in and it was a cinema and I thought what song?

And it's the.

Summer of Soul and a yeah, And I was like, what time's that on? It was like five past three and I looked at my watch. It was three o'clock. So I bought myself a coffee and a flatjack and went into this cinema.

There was Your Dead again.

Yeah, And there was only one.

Other person in this cinema and I sat right in the center and I watched this movie and there was just this one moment in it that it was actually David Ruffin singing My Girl, and just the way that you say it just I it kind of imploded with tears and then I did not stop.

Crying for the entire film.

It was and it was tears of absolute joy that this that this amazing piece of history had been unearthed and put where it should be, but also the tragedy that it had been, you know, stuck in a basement for forty years, and what would it have been like if this has been out there, especially when Woodstock was on at one of those weekends as well, during the Harlem Culture Festival, and it just everything came together for me, the festival element, the community, the oppression, but then the

That film destroyed me. But there were tears of joy.

It's a really really wonderful film.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's magic that one. That's a magic film. It's a magic film, isn't it magic?

Yeah?

It really is. And it's fucking wild that it was like hidden. Yeah, it's wild, amazing, good choice, thanks man. Yeah we done. What's the film that you love. It's not critically acclaimed, people don't really like it, but you stand by it forever. Over the top Haha, Yes, Brah, that hasn't I don't think that's ever been on it fucking Selvester Slone, I'm wrestling. Come on in a truck.

Driving arm wrestling Sylvester Stallone at the height of his eighties. Nus, Yes, I love breaks love that movie, bro, love that movie. I really love that movie. I love the style. I like he wears like this baseball cap, this's t shirt sort of braces. He's fresh off of I know he didn't. He did Cobra before that, so he's he's in peak form. But the thing is, I love Sylvester Stallone and he's so vulnerable as well as.

Being this you know, action hero. Do you know what I mean?

That's a really good shout. Yes, he is very vulnerable.

He's like super vulnerable, isn't he like Rocky or even First Blood? And there's always this, you know, there's big it's just got this. I think he's got this big old heart and he kind of destroyed me as a kid.

I just loved him. I still do.

That's so interesting. I don't think it's ever been articulated to me. I think you're he is so vulnerable. I think is it? Is it just how he talks? Is it the fact that he there's something very very soft about him, And you're right, and he's so hard, but he's also yeah, so vulnerable. Yeah, you sort of want to look after him as well. You like, you're right, punchy, You're right? Did you just call him punchy? Yeah?

And sometimes he's like shooting.

Sometimes sometimes he's always vulnerable. That's really interesting. He is. He's like there's something lust about him, isn't there. Yeah, And he is tough and he could kill you, but you feel like he'd cry. Well he did it. He feel really bad? Yeah. Yeah that's great.

Yeah, Yeah he was.

You know, he was a big part of my childhood. Sylvester salone. I just loved all of all of us, all of his films.

Yeah, I really did. Yeah, and that one in particular.

What about a film that you used to love but you've watched recently and you've thought, I don't like this anymore, probably because you've changed.

Not the film The Living Daylights go on.

Timothy Dalton's first James Bond, The Living Daylight, The Living Daylights, Shallow Shallow on the name checks it over a barrier.

Yeah, that's true. He does.

He does do that, and I remember loving that when he did that. At the time, I thought, Wow, he's so cool. But now I just think James Bond's a bit of a knob.

I'm not I'm not really a fan. I'm just not a fan of him and that movie in particular.

It's but then when I start going through I just think I've gone right off James Bond.

If I'm honest with you, right.

It's really funny. It's a really funny thing to say to him. Sorry James, but I've actually gone right off you, right off. I think your morals are appalling. Actually, if you're asking, you're a smug serial killer nothing more. You clearly a misogy. You use women, then you kill them. You wreck that car, and we're supposed to.

Think, do you know how much that cello's web son?

You you callously chuck that cello. You're lucky you caught it. So she's with a Philharmonic of some kind.

I mean, how many people are you killed? Now? You not go home? You're enough?

I don't think you know, yeah, I hear you. That's fair. I don't know why you're taking it out in the Living Daylights? Is that because that was special to you that way?

I remember being, well, yeah, it's true, because I was.

The funny thing about thinking about these films is I realized that the eighties was was when I was most affected by movies really, you know, and when I was, you know, from the age of ten, from that great opening into Amadeis. Then I just just went crazy on it on movies. And I remember being so excited about The Living Daylights coming out because there was this new.

Bond, you know, and I thought it was great. I thought it was great at the time, but I just don't think I could really sit through it now.

Okay, I'm sorry. What's the film that means the vice to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but the experience you had seeing the film will always make it special and meaningful to you.

Mister Jimmy Lance. So Police Academy is Police Academy, so.

Of course it's please academy. Tell me everything.

So my mum and dad divorced when I was very young, and so I would go and stay with my dad at weekends and he would let me watch things I probably was really shouldn't been watching, you know, I was at fifteens and eighteen year old and things. But we used to watch movies together and I remember seeing Police Academy with my dad.

And thinking it was the funniest thing I had ever seen.

And I just adored Steve Guttenberg as Mahoney. I thought, he I think he's just brilliant. I mean, he's so brilliant. Dinah, I means so brilliant Steve Gudberg. But I sort of

And I didn't really.

Understand what was going on because I was quite young, but I did know kind of what was going on. And it was back in the day with you know, VHS recorders, videos and video players, and and so me and my dad just.

Rewound the whole seq.

We just rewound the whole sequence, and I think we remound it about fifty times.

And the more we watched it together, the more we roared with laughter, just everything about it.

And then the button on the end of that scene when Lassade then walks off and he looks back. His whole world's changed. He looks back and the mahoney pops his head out and he looks at him.

He says, a good speech.

That's so sweet.

Did you how old is your dad in that story?

Old enough to know better? So my dad was fifty five when I was born. I had an old dad, So yeah, and so I was probably what was police kind of is what that must be about? Eighty four eighty five something like that. It was on videos. What would I have been twelve maybe someone like that eighty six.

Yeah, very sweet story. I really like a sixty five year old man crying. Lasting and rewind the as well, and it was kind of.

The joys of video players as well, you know, because that was that was the whole all sort of you know, came together.

What the film that you most related? Okay, it's Dirty Harry.

The Zodiac Killer. Which who are you related to?

Yeah? Clint Eastwood? Yeah, I thought, did we.

Just move on? Yeah, that was obvious for the listener. I get it.

But that was one of those movies I saw that I shouldn't have seen. I was a bit too young, and that again was on video. My stepmom worked in a video store, so is to watch all these films.

And I don't know what it was.

I just thought I was Clint Eastwood. I literally just thought I was Clint Eastwood. I mean completely and usly to the point where I remember I'd seen is.

It every which way? But lou saw every which way?

He came one of those and I remember I was sitting at the table with my dad and my stepmom, and my dad said something that was a bit.

I don't know, I can't remember what it was.

He said now he said something, but it was it was like a little bit odd, and I just looked at my stepmom and went something like I said, he's not.

Too tightly wrapped, right, and no, like what?

And I got really told off for being really cheeky. But I just thought it was sort of the norm because I thought I was Clint Eastwood. I really thought I was Clint Eastwood.

He's too totally rap.

How are you when he's not too tightly wrapped? Was the line I remember saying, Oh, he's not too tightly wrapped.

I don't know.

I was. Again, I was very young, very young.

I wouldn't have told you off. I'd have been like the fat happened here?

Yeah, I got told off. Yeah, and they told me off.

What's that? What is the sexiest film? And is it? Please Academy? It's not.

But I did lose my virginity watching.

A movie tell us everything?

Well, I mean, that's literally that's it. I U One day, one day after school, I went to this girl's house. I was fifteen. I was very very ready for the occasion, certainly mentally, and we were sitting on.

The couch and we put dirty Dancing on.

Wow, yeah that is an excellent movie to have sex too, well, it's beautiful.

Well, yeah, it was quite something.

And it was when it was the point when just after they've been carrying those water melons, Jennifer grows carrying those water melons, which somehow felt slightly relevant for me as well at the time. But and they went into this club and everyone was dancing in the sexiest way I'd ever seen in my young fifteen year old mind.

I mean was it.

It was for me that was incredible, And it went well, it was went quickly, went very quickly, but quickly, but well not not you know, it was a successful happy time. Well I can't speak for her, but I can say for me it was phenomenal.

Wow, that's so nice, so rare, so rare, once in a lifetime, once in a lifetime. And also to get it right dancing for perfect perfect choice that happened. There's only maybe five minutes of that film. You don't want to be having sex. This is it's just like a specific couple of scenes where you don't want to be midsex. No, that was yeah, that was that was You timed it right, Yeah, you did it long enough for the dancing in the club, which is about a minute.

Yeah, that's a minute. Honestly, that was it.

That was it.

I haven't seen the rest of the movie. I need to.

Oh, the ends great, I didn't care. There's a bit at the end of day Dancing recently where Patrick Swayzey comes back. He's left and he comes back and he interrupts the sort of final dinner dance thing, and he says, he does a speech like on stage people some people don't care about people like me, but blah blah blah. He does this speech, and the last time I watched it, I was like, it's great, this speech, But the reality is most of the people in the room I have

The kid can move. He had everything, didn't he? He had everything?

Patrick, He was amazing. Hang on, wait a second. You've gone back to this guy's house. You watched it, hees, You've had sex on the sofa. Is there anyone else in the house you have to suddenly get dressed. You've got an empty house.

No, no, no, we an empty house.

I went and got my slanned this in advance. That all agreed that we were going to read in advance. Yeah, that was that was.

Definitely on the cards. We thought it might happen. Well, I hoped it would happen. And then it did happen, and then and then it was all over really quickly, and and I want I wanted to go again because it was so great.

But she that was it. We were done, and that was that was it, right, Yeah, last time you ever did with her?

That was the one, the one and only time.

Yeah, Well I'm done. When you when you do it. Listen, That probably means he did it so well because it was.

So But she had a boy to be there. Yeah, she had a boyfriend.

She had a boyfriend.

Yeah, and he was like a man. He was like, he was like an older boy. You know, he was a boy that wasn't at school.

So he was like, you know, you had sex with a bigger boys, it did. Yeah, Jimmy travel your travel travel. Yeah, I wonder if that bigger boys listening now, I'm going I'll fucking killed Trader. I knew he was that guy. There's a troubling Boners Worrying White duns the sub category Troubling Boners Worrying White dunce a film you found a rousing You weren't sure that you should.

Broke Back Mountain. So, as far as I know, as far as I'm aware, I'm not a gay man. I went to see Brokeback Mountain. And by the time those two cowboys got it on in that tent, I was. I was there with him.

I was one hundred percent there, and I mean I was. There was three of us in that tent, and I found it.

I found it so sexy that I was like geez and like, let me think about am I a cowboy?

You know?

And am I?

Okay, I don't think I am. I don't think so.

But gee, those guys they just would They were just really sort of they're kind of like really sexy.

And but it was something about you know, it was a shock. It was genuinely a shock.

I was really that was at the cinema and I you know, yeah, it was a bit of a shoka for me that one.

I think it was, well, I know who it was. It was Heath. I was all about Heath.

He's the guy something about I was TV.

There's something about Ennis.

I think his name is Edis and and and just he was so he was so painfully repressed that you just wanted to give him a big hug or you know.

Yeah, he's he's another vulnerable body you like, the vulnerable tough guys.

I think this is what's coming out, isn't it? Yeah?

Interesting? What's objectively the greatest filmable? Tay objectively might not be your favorite, but it's the greatest.

This is such a tough question, and I've had to land on something. So I am going to say, it's a wonderful life.

You can have it thanks.

Absolutely, Yeah, I think so, you know, for everything, everything, everything it says, the way it's put together, Jimmy Stewart, the whole that that character, Clarence, is it Clarence old Body, the second Angel, the second last Angel, Clarence.

Yeah, I just love that character.

Yeah, it's up there with like Christmas Carol in terms of message, you know what I mean. There's sort of no better message in the film probably than that film.

I think so. I do think so.

And the idea of you know, when he's going when he's going to commence us, when he's going to jump off that bridge, the genius move of Clarence jumping in the water so that Jimmy Stewart just dives in and because he knew he'd save him. I just love that, And you know, it's such a great move. And I loved how opening was about being an angel afterwards.

I just that was just brilliant.

Yeah.

I do love that movie.

Okay, you can have it. What is the film you could or have WA's the most over and over again, I think it's The Blues Brothers. Nice that film I saw.

Yeah, like that cast, what is the most incredible cast? You know, you've got James Brown, Aretha Franklin, John Lee Hooker, You've got Twiggy in that movie.

Who else is in?

John Candy Carry the Prince's Letter, John Candy, you know, Blue Sheet and Cab Callaway. It just goes on and it's sort of I think on paper you sort of saying that film that can't really work, and it's just kind of a series of gigs. But yeah, I think it's so funny, and there's one bit of business in it that's that I is one of my favorite. I think that's when I realized that, like you can do something physically with words that will end up often being

It's great that film. It's so fun, it's really fun. Great, you can have it. We don't know, to be negative, you and me so let's not dwell in this bit. But what's the worst film we've ever seen?

Right? Well, I'm going to say The Phantom Thread?

Wow?

Whoa?

How done?

Why? I went to see The Phantom Thread at the cinema and I hated it. It was not it was not it was not the final day Lewis performance I wanted. It wasn't the character I wanted him to play, It wasn't the subject master I wanted to see.

I found it boring. I just soggy.

I really really hated that film, and I came out going what on earth was that?

Honest?

And then but then later I revisited it and realized that it is an absolute masterpiece and it is genuinely in my top three films.

Thank god, Yeah, thank god. You nearly lost you nearly lost me. And I was generally I was sitting and thinking this might be one of the best episodes. I was about to burn it to delete the fire.

You know. I have a funny thing with the genius that is Paul Thomas Anderson.

I went to see Inherent Vice on thirty five mail at the cursin Soho and that the first time I'd seen it, and that was not what I wanted.

I did.

That not the film I wanted it to be.

And again I was really, well, that was beforehand, so I was really upset about it, and I was like, that is like some like the Big Lebowski on Mogadon or something, some dodgy.

I just hated it.

And then I and then I got into it against through listening to the Johnny Greenwood soundtrack and thinking, actually, though, the music's good, isn't it. And then I watched it again and realized that it's an absolute masterpiece and that it is hilarious. And I had no idea how completely genius whacking Phoenix is in that film, and how just how funny and bizarre his choices are.

They're amazing. He's incredible, isn't it.

He's got great physical comedy in it, like the best amazing physical The way he falls over is amazing in that film.

Absolutely.

He does this one walk past in the back of shop, like really slowly at one point for no reason, when he's creeping about that house, and it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Reminds me a little bit.

Of who's that amazing actor James Mason in Lo Lisa, James Mason, James Mason. Yeah, should we post in the rest of this chat like James Mason and he was, and he does.

He does these really straight I got it, so like Prince Charles, but he does these really bizarre choices that.

Are a bit that are really funny and quirky and weird, a bit like Whacking Phoenix and that film. So yeah, it was a phantom streight. But I just have to reiterate that I watched that film lots now if I love that.

Film, yeah, so good, so good. I also think what's interesting is you're saying this about Paul Thomas, and I think it's maybe if you're saying this wasn't the film

Yeah, not at all. They're in their own realm, aren't they. There's always something sort of unfathomable about them and mysterious that.

But I think that irritating. I now know not to trust myself sometimes.

Things that I have a real aversion to initially are often things that I end up absolutely adoring.

Yeah, and if it's affected you that strongly, something's going on. Yeah, I mean this isn't the same. But I always think about when I first saw Mouland Rouge. I was read jetlagged and I saw it in New York right when it just come out, and I fucking hated it. Hate it. I was like, this is so oh, it's exhausting. It's like so much old Jesus. And then I dreamt about I kept having dreams about it. It was in my dreams for like three nights, and then I was like,

Yeah, that's interesting. I think bas Norman's films can do that a little bit. Because when I went to see Elvis, Yeah, I came out feeling like I've.

Been, Elvis, Yeah, you really have.

I felt like I was just full of burger and way loose and I and I didn't.

I didn't feel great after that film. I really felt quite ill.

Even though I was adoring Austin Butler's performance, It just Elvis.

I'm James Mason and I've been.

I want to watch Police Academy.

Again, please with father rewinded.

Tell tell Paul Thomas and Anderson to waiter.

I'll have to be seeing him twice before I like him. What you're in comedy? You're very funny. What's the film that made you laugh the most? Such a hard one? Okay, cinema experience, best in show? Great?

Great? Why not Christopher Guest when he's running through that list of nuts and mcnamy, well, you know, oh my god, he's next level. I watched it again recently and he is just next level funny. And then but the thing is, and it happened to me again, I watched I showed it to my wife recently.

She hadn't seen it. So you've got to see this film.

But when I first saw it, I saw it in the cinema and Brighton and I was hysterical.

And it happened to me again.

By the time Fred Willard comes on, Oh my lord, he is just joy in that film, isn't he.

Yeah, he is really in the zone.

He is off for Shane.

And I mean, but but I don't know.

It's like, it's quite interesting that a character can come in.

So late in a movie and just sort of blow the lid off something that was already utterly brilliant and hilarious and seemingly do it with such a light touch.

That's so true. It's fucking He's buggy, funny.

Too good. Have you ever met him? Have you? No?

God, he's good, isn't he? Isn't he no longer with us?

Oh?

Please tell me Fred Willard is not.

I'm sorry. And if he is, maybe No, I'm going to say Fred Willard's definitely still alive.

Yeah, thank you.

I don't want to be the president to tell you he's not.

Is he?

Is he?

Are you serious?

I'm sorry? Yeah, I don't want to be I want to tell you that Fred Willard. Maybe listen, it doesn't matter because in your head, he lived, he lives, he lives on.

He's with princes, he's with the princess. He's with me now, okay, I'm not there with Fred Willard and the Princess. Yeah, oh man, you know that. Oh yeah, oh no, I'm.

Right.

Jimmy Dance. You've been phenomenal, one of my favorite guests. This has been beautiful and I really appreciate it. However, when you were one hundred and one years old, a year after you'd got a card from our new king, William not Charles because you'd killed him, you went to Glastonbury. You told all your friends put money on me dying today. They all did. Then you deleted the texta that there was no inside of trading, no fraud could be detected.

You do it?

You do it? Did you do it?

And they go yeah, and you say, stop talking about it.

We need no witnesses, and you okay, anyway, slang family stone around so you watch your favorite bands. There's Nick kh the great Nick Cas there and you have a lovely time and you say, oh great, and you all go and to a stone circle and you you have a couple you have a nice time together, and then you kiss everyone having made love by the way in the morning for one minute, and then you uh, we don't dancing on that's the only way you can be aroused. And then you go. You go to the top of hill.

I go have a look and I go up.

There and I'm fuck, he's kndded after this guy. You are a bloated mess. That flap date, the calves and the combination the carbs and smack have just bloated you up. And I got up bloody and I see you. I see your wife. If you got any did you bring like a picnic the hamper? She goes, yeah, so you've got any knives? In there. She goes, yeah, so comment we start chopping you up because there's too much of

Rocky too.

He's vulnerable, he's hard, he's beautiful, he's he's back again. Jimmy, tell people what they should listen to or look out for or watch in the coming months or years that you may be a part of.

I'm not sure yet.

I just I've just landed a job, but I haven't done a deal on it yet, so I guess I can't talk about it. But it's going to be good. But look out, I'll be saying something somewhere at some point, I'm sure.

Yeah, you won't miss him, is listen. His hair is going forward. Yeah, you won't miss him. At some point. It'll just be hair, hair, eyebrows. Yeah, that's it. I love you. Thank you for doing this. I hope you have a wonderful death. He's lovely seeing you, I see you, see. Thanks man, it's been great. You've made me realize how much I love movies as well, which is great. You do love movies, you do. Thank you man. Soon cheers, brother, good night, goodbye. So that was episode two hundred and fifty.

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