James Acaster (Episode 1 Rewind!) • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #217

time classic episodes. And we're going to start with the very very first episode that came out on the twelfth of July twenty eighteen. Oh, we were so young. It's me and James, a castor in my kitchen. Not all of the questions were there yet. There's no trouble Bone as yet. That wasn't until Nathaniel Metcalf. But you can see how far we've come. I had to listen back to it. It's a lovely time. I think you'll enjoy it. Thank you all for bearing with me. I hope this

is enough to tide you over. I appreciate you. I appreciate you listening if you want all the episodes, some with videos, all on cut and add free. Go to the Patreon at patreon dot com forwards Ashprett Ghosty And in the meantime, you know what, I have a lovely life. Do you know what I mean? Enjoy yourselves anyway, I have a listen to the very first episode of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. I am Brett Ghosty, and I am

here with a very wonderful guest. His name is James Acaster. If you don't know him, you can watch four hours four hours of him being a comedian on Netflix on Channel Netflix. Yeah, four hours. Arrogant in a way, Yeah, a bit arrogant, but I what's still for? I mean he's longer than Brake Art. Yeah, I mean basically, if you've not seen him yet, he's a sort of stand up that's so good. He makes stand ups want to stop doing stand up. So if you're not a stand up,

watch it and you'll have a wonderful time. If you have a stand up, just forget it. Anyway, that's not true. Here he is lovely James Aacaster. Welcome to this show. Thank you, Brett, thanks for coming around my house. Yeah, I don't. I haven't been here very often, even though I'll count you as one of my friends. I've been here. Okay, second time could be a second time. Yeah, you're a secretive man. Don't invite a lot of people around. No,

you don't. Doors stay locked. Yes, in this house. Thank you. Very interesting. Welcome to this show. Now you understand how it works. Yeah, you have died. Yes, I'm sorry. How did you die? James probably fell in a hole in the street street hole. Oh, maybe in the beach beach hole because quicksand and actually quicksands probably more likely. Yeah, I've always thought it would probably a quicksand or fallen off a building or something, both of the things that

have always felt the most likely. Quicksands seems legit for you. Yeah, it would have been a company i'd write a routine about. Yeah, so you're going down as you're singing. We play so well. You always thought what you're singing in quick sad and quick. It's definitely sand. It gets everywhere, it's coming in my lungs. Good routine. I'll do that same. You can't do it because you've died. How do you feel about death? Scared

of it? Excited? Look forward? To it. No, I don't look forward to it, but I feel I'm too scared of it anymore. Used to be really scared of it and then thought about it a lot and feel like now he said, always focusing in on because it was focused on death, and it's like, oh, we won't have everything taken away from us. Yeah, and you don't really stop to think why have we even got it in the first place. And it's quite amazing to even habit. It's like, I don't think I'm owed any of this.

It's crazy to habit and to be here now. So in many ways, your spiritual leader is Mike Skinner of the Streets. Yeah, he said, everything is just borrow just by That album has a lot of that, that kind of philosophy on it. Yeah, it's got someone they called Edge of a Cliff, which it's all about. Yeah, like it tild you feel sad just to remember how unlikely it is that even here or the people that came before, all the people that came before, so that you exist. Yeah,

it's really really nice, really good sentiment. So I think that kind of stuff just makes you feel better. I don't know if you have those scared of death and you're like, oh no, so when you're in that quick sand slowly slowly, slowly down, you'll be at least remember the streets. Yeah, I was thinking that song. Yeah, yeah, we're part of the routine singing streets songs. Well that's lovely. And do you believe in heave anyone? I don't think

i'll do. I was raised Christian, and I believed in that kind of stuff for a while, and then I don't believe in the heaven and a hell for a while. It wasn't really even that idea wasn't really pushed on me by my parents. But like, I believe in those things, and I stopped believing in hell, and I just believe there's probably a nice place you go when you die. And then I guess I kind of stopped believing in that. But like, I'm agnostic. So if I died and there

was an afterlife, you be annoyed. I wouldn't go what Yeah, yeah, this was always always a possibility, I guess, yeah, but I would imagine that if there is an afterlife, big if sure, then it's not gonna be like anything we human beings have been discussing. No one would have got it right, no, you think it would be more sort of beyond company. Yeah. Absolutely, We're not going to be

able to be more that solarious. Yeah, sure like that. Yeah, I feel like yeah, and what is it I'm more of a figure than maybe maybe just the oneness, yeah, rather than an actual walking I mean, obviously we'd all like it to be like this because it's nice and familiar, isn't it walking around? But this other things is great

and don't there's no calories, they don't weight on. There's a line insularist in the book and the film which is these astronauts talking and they say, we think we're so big and brave and strong because we fled through space looking for answers, but all we're really looking for a mirror. That they lost all their mirrors on the flight because in the future their an mirrors. Yeah, they weren't allowed to take the entire space programs just to

find some mirror. You've got terrible staffing in face. You really need to hear what I look like any more? Yeah. Yeah. So in the premise of this show is that we're talking about ten films that means something from your life, And so my first question is, what is the first film that you remember seeing when you were alive, so that he films the sort before this one. But this is the first one I remember because it's my first cinema trip. So I remember being at the cinema. Had

been exciting between Free and Fire. I guess about that. And who were you with my dad? Just you and your dad? Yeah, I went to see The Rescuers down Under. Yeah, the first one, very underrated tea for I loved it. Rescuer Yeah, yeah, I really liked it. Yeah, and it's a good seat. I mean yeah, I don't actually remember too much of it now I remember going to see it. I'm a being in the cinema. I can remember, like what seat I was it view? No, no, the view

from the seat. No. I don't know what the cinema was called. It was in Bambury, but then maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was in ketterin Clewing, Kettering, and then we moved to Bambury for a year and then moved back to Kettering. But I think it's in the Bamboy Year, but maybe it wasn't. Why the bambour year may comes back to Christianity again, so my the church over Jesus

was there in the Bamtory class. That's a clue. No, they were starting up another church in Bounty, but some of the people in the individual church to go over there for the transition, like weaning people into just yeah, get make sure everything could have not not getting people to go to the church, but just like like a frienchise like yeah, yeah, trained that lot. Yeah. I don't know if it was training that lot, but it was

like just be friendly. I don't know, you just go over, go go to the church, go to that church for a bit. But it was a very like hippie kind of church that works. I don't like they were there and forcing any rules or anything. I guess you were just there for if you didn't here here if you need us, and then no one did so I went back to can Um. But yeah, they could probably tell you more information than I could as far as I was aware. Who just lived in boundary, right, let's get you.

I would like to have you there and actually following him over on Twitter you do. Yeah, yeah, I recommend you for the David at Yeah, one of the most voice just when he wants on Twitter. So yeah, he would be great films. Yeah, so you went to see The Rescues Don't End It, and you remember the experienced fayment. Yeah. I remember just being in the cinema and how special it felt and exciting, and for years after I was doing on a cinema loads because it was a treat.

So like I remember going to see Your Finger, I remember going to see Cool Rowings The Lion King, like one day my mum, it was really like it's a really special cinema trip. When one day my mum just went Johnny goes through Stargate and that didn't happen usually. It was like all of us went a lot of the time in the Rescuers, even though the first time it was me on my own, but because my brothers just were too young. But like normally we all went as a family and we knew a few tasted bars.

We're going to the cinema at the weekend. It was exciting. It was stargating. My mum just been like john goes see like right now, just want to go, just me and you. She was going to see it, and it's like I couldn't believe it was happening that we were going to go and just going to go to the cinema, how much wrest and James Baden Yeah, and carried out it's so good. And also that was during the phase where I went through where every time I saw a film,

I would tell people the whole plot. When I got home, I'd have to tell them from the start and I wouldn't miss anything out home. My mum having to tell me to stop passing through Independence Day, I got to trying to tell her and a friend to the friend over and I was just telling them the whole film. And when I got to the bit where all the people on top of the building welcoming the aliens and the spaceship comes over and it opens up, I said, hey, I opens up and then whatever the ladies says, it's

so pretty. And then my mom was like, James, how much does this film is? Because like you can't, you can't tell us the whole film, Like, fine, under a minute, tell me the entire plot of the Rescues down. Some mice go to rescue someone in Australia and they ride on the back of an albatross, I think, and that

is all I can remember that. Yeah, but like they went back and watched The Rescuers, you know, I can't remember what happened there, but like I liked that, I remember that one, the Rescuers Final Those West, but also an American Tale and the Lamb Before Time films being all around that point. I was watching that kind of film a lot, and they were all quite sad, sad cartoons about being lost. Yeah, American Tale is unbelievably treaded. Yeah,

that's as sad as bucking Dumbo's mum swinging Dumbo Jesus. Yeah, yeah it was. It was so it's very kind of I think, also quite something like Bambi or Dumbo. It's sad, but like still quite happy kids films. I definitely like American Tale and Land Before Time just very sad, like they're so just kids being lost walking around. And that's what I thought most cartoons were like at one point, because that's mainly what I was watching. Did you relate to that we like a little lost I feel like

a little lost dinosaur. I felt quite like. I definitely felt scared of being a lofer. I've always been more scared of stuff that's never happened to me, right, so I definitely scared watching those films of Oh that might I hope that never happens to me. I hope I never have I lost dinosaurs. I hope I'll never liked you know, say, but what I liked about it, Yeah,

which could happen, that's still open. But like what I like about them before time and I think American Teller, I can't remember that before time was great because they kept on meeting more dinosaurs who were lost. Yeah, the gang got bigger, and I liked that. I liked all the different characters and they're different things, and how they were all together in this group and lost together. I quite liked the idea with that. So in a way

I was scared of it. But there's another part of me that was, like I would like to be and this lost kind of gang. I think it's a metaphor for the comedy community. Yeah, a little lost gangs that found each other. Yeah, making their way towards quick step.

That's perfectly fair. Ye, A bunch of odd balls have all got lost, just drifted around, and then you will get drawn to this thing and this tuba starts singing like, Yeah, the open mic circuit, especially when when you're not from mic circuit, it's a rogues gallery of you're all just no matter what, there's no cool people on the open

mic circuit. Even once you think that, because you know, for whatever reason, you started taking yourself to pubs most nights of the week, go into a little room where like about five strangers are sitting down to watch you, and getting up in front of them and doing something you're no good at yet, yeah, and kind of just taking a hit tak taking the hit each night, not knowing if it's gonna be good or not being really nervous going up there. Sometimes it works, some it doesn't

mean it doesn't. It feels brutal, and then like just going high. You know, you don't do it. Unless I was twenty three, I had tried to be in bands that they had all failed. I didn't have any qualification, didn't know what to do, and I've just started doing this, and definitely even though it was like a fun adventure, I was really like, I don't know what I'm doing, and like, you know, and meet people like my early

friends in comedy, like Nick Helm Josh. Nick had been writing players and stuff and got frustrated trying to get up a director and trying to get other people to care about the players. Started doing comedy in his own Josh had been trying to write and do comedy writing and no one wanted any of the stuff, and started

doing comedy. There was stand up and like you know, it was all a bunch of that kind of I've been acting in writing players and in fact I was thinking I took a play to Edinburgh that like before, I did stand up with a play and it was like real my soul in a play, real heart and sell in a play. And the first review we got was a one star review that said the plot of the player and then said who cares? Yeah, what is the film that scared you the most in your whole life?

Doesn't have to be when your kids. It wasn't when I was. When I was a kid, of we watched scary films. When I was fourteen fifteen, I watched Scream two and I didn't sleep for two weeks. And that's not an exaggeration. Yeah, yeah, I literally could not sleep because I was terrified. And the reason why I was so terrified was, well, well, I've never seen a film

that was that violent before. Yeah, but also I've seen like murder mysteries and stuff like that on TV, and scary films that make you jump a little bit, but there was always a really clear motive. At the end. You'd always find out who the killer was, who the murderer was, and you go, oh, that makes sense, and that's why they did it. So that scream too. It's just like they're just psychopaths and they kill everyone. It's Timothy other thing, isn't it from Deadwood's the killer in

spin Teo spoil? Sorry? Yeah, so I don't really know his name, right, but like there's two killers in the skin two. One of them has kind of a motive that you kind of understand, and one of them it's just a psycho wants to kill people and that's all it is. And so when I realized, oh, it's not always the motive. It's not like you have to have wronged someone. Also that there could just be someone who just wants to kill people, and that hadn't entered my

head until that point. And then I was like, anyone for no reason could just kill me. And every time I went to go to sleep, I'll be like they could also, ye work pointing out I watched it my friend Matthew's house. Well I'm still friends with him now, but he is the kind of guy who would do that. But like he loved Scream the whole franchise. He absolutely loved it. His bedroom was a shrined to it, and I'm set. I was staying over that night, so we

watched Scream too. I was really scared. And then I was sleeping in the bed that literally above it had the costume that the killer wears hanging from the seilings, so he had it hanging from the scene, so it looked like they were looming, like the Killer was looming

over you. Yeah, above Hilo in bed. So I was thinking in that bed that night, So like I literally had to sleep underneath the killer from the film I've just seen and also in screen, Yeah, it's not unlikely for that to be one of the scenes where like, oh, it's just a little costume from about the killer and we've got hanging in the ceiling and then that is the killer actually me and then they stab you in

the night. Um. So like as that was the first night I saw it was hanging over me, and then everything I tried to go because there's always horrible thoughts of like all the different murders that happened in the film, and like all the people that this beginning is one of the great I think it's one of the great openings to a film screen too, genuinely the cinema horror, Yeah, brilliant scary secrets. Yeah. Also with that as well, it's like, oh, like no one will help you. Yeah, and they all

thinks it's part of this show. Yeah. Yeah, So that there was that. I was just runnering over all the they're going, okay, so why did those two everyone, and just like trying to go over it and trying to work it out and going. But she was acting so normal for the whole film. A lady was actually just really normal because she was murdering these kids, and like it was I just couldn't get I thought I was literally was not sleeping, and I don't know how I

eventually got out of it. I was managing. I probably watched a really happy film and snap myself out of it, but like I don't I couldn't tell any of my friends have seen Screen One. I've never revisited, but I

watched it recently. I think I've watched all of them, okay, and I've watched the Screen TV series on Netflix, which most people would tell you is a part of ship and what would you say, I think it is but deliberately, but deliberately, but because the films are making fun of horror films, which I didn't realize at the time I was watching it. I thought it was a genuine horror film.

But like, the films are kind of making fun of horror films and stuff like that, and then deliberately deliberately have bits that are badly acted and things like and that's what the TV series have bits that deliberately honey and like over the top in bits that are a bit parody, stuff like that, but like it stays really true to the films. Anyone who gets annoyed with the TV series, you know, if you if you like the films, yeah,

it's what the TV series. It's not exactly what the TV of what the film did is doing it to the nth degree because it's also making fun of the film, so it's just still stealing that on top of it. But I quite enjoy It's just like three easy to watch. You stay easier. I mean, when you were fourteen, you couldn't sleep. Yeah, I couldn't sleep too, So now is it like a little I could watch that kind of stuff. Now a brave boy. Now. Yeah, For a while, it

was just like films like that. The other filment scared me a lot was Hannibal because that was the first film I've seen wherein a brain, Yes, someminate a brain, but also like a lot of the stuff in Hannibal that's really awful. You don't see it happen. That's so there's the stuff that you had to imagine, Like because with that scene, for example, all the stuff in between, you go, wow, is the drugs him? And then what is it? Just got him saying now it's just talking

to him. He's kinds fucking head open and it's like feeling his own brain. That that bit in particular was just like I couldn't stop thinking about it how horrible it was, because I think it's all like pre the whole accepting death thing, okay, because there's suddenly being reduced to that. So it's like, if that was me and that happens to if someone did that to me, is that all I am? I'm just a piece of meat

that can be manipulated. And then suddenly if I'm jumped up and nothing for that, I'm that stupid that I just eat my own brain, and I'll say shitty things to the people at the dinner table, and I won't realize when he throws the tea towel on his head. Yeah, that's the worst for me because he treats him like he's nothing. At that point, he's just there with his

brain exposed, jeweling but still alive. And Hannibals wheeled him into the kitchen and he just wipes his hands on the tea towel and just throws it on his head like it's a it's a chair, it's just a stand, and it just covers his face and it's on his brain. And you're like, that's all I am, just a brain in a bit of meat. I'm nothing. So it's that and that scared me. How one's works with me. And old man whose job in the I don't remember what time.

He worked for his studio in Hollywood, and his job was to come up they made lads and lads of B movie horror films and his literally his job was to come up with deaths, ways of like cool death, scay death. And he said his favorite one he came up with was they put a guy to sleep, they cut open the top of his skulls with his brains expose. They wheeled him in front of a mirror, and then they wake him up. And when he wakes up, he sees himself and he goes ah and puts his hands

to his head. He shot and crushes his own brain, put his fingers through his brain. That was his best How don't I think of that? Han't that? That's your job? Yeah? Think about stuff. I just get worried about myself. He was a lovely man, family man. What is the film that made you cry the most? Pride? I love Bride. Yeah, loved that film. Love it. One of my favorite films of recent years. Love it. And I saw that more

than say, saving mister Banks, saving mister Banks. But like I stuff that makes me feel I guess happy rather than sad. I don't know, who don't know? You might not know playing there's a wonderful film about the miners

in Wales ending forces with the gay community. Yeah, so the gage community basically decided to support the miners because the miners because basically there's a scene at the beginning of the film where they know they're saying, we haven't been hassled for ages and we normally get those a ship from the police all the time, and why is

that not happening now? And it's because they're hassing somebody else that has in the miners now, and so we can either just go great, yeah, or we can get behind them and support them even though they didn't support us, and them supported us, and that alone for a little question. Boy, you ago, I was so nice and so so first

I watch us in the cinema. I don't recrying the cinema, so I kind of like, was fine, but I loved it, and so I bought the DVD, which I don't really do any of these days by this, but the DVD and I watched it on my own one night, and I honestly think I cried for the whole film. And at the end, the back of my head, the head muscles hurt because I've been crying like it been. It's

been like my whole trying to produce more teams. It will been wrinkled, and it was tense for the whole film, and it genuinely hurt, and I was trying not to cry because it was like that was hurting so much, and it was there's so many scenes in it. There seems that most films were saved just to the end, and it's every scene price, so every scene in it is potentially the end of a film where they try to make you cry, and just all the way through.

My all time favorite show that I saw it at the on Stage Yes House, the musical My dad got his tickets from boxing day and I thought, the fuck is this ship? Ship? Yeah? And I cried all the way. He's the most beautiful thing I want to see anything. Story is so beautifully done, and it's directed by Matthew Walkers. And when they still Pride, I was like, this is the most joyful, beautiful film I ever seen. And then I saw at the end directed by Matthew Walkers. Of

course it is. I don't know that I do that about that musical. Yeah, yeah, it's just I mean, the cast is amazing, the story is really weirdly. The only bit that doesn't make me cry is the bit where they really try and make you cry. So there's it's one bit where everyone starts singing, yeah, this village hall and I can't remember what's just happened, but something bad has just happened, Like you know, they've basically been told they're not going to get what they want or whatever

it is. And a lady gets up and starts singing and then singing together, and that's the only bit that doesn't make me cry, even I'm sure that most people cry that bit, But for some reasons, I'm like, you're trying to make me forget about it. I saw this coming, but where's everything else? It's just like you're watching yeah, like you know, people like coming together, supporting each other, and people like it coming over, people coming out, people

realizing they've got aids. Like there's so much like Dunin West doesn't amazing dancing it. And I remember thinking as an actor, if I if I got the part and I was being the scription it says, by the way, you have to do a massive dance in front of a crowd of people, I'd been like shit, and he really goes really it does, unlike that Billy Brand song at the end knows I don't know. This is what I found about Privacy. It's such for a film that's

you know, it's it could be a heavy subject. It's so joyful and it's so full of love and wonder.

But then the film ends and then it shows up like titles of Where the People Are Now kind of titles, and all the times are so depressive that as sad as one of them is very sad, but like it, like you ended that film before it come, Yeah, yeah they do deal with Also there's plenty of sad stuff in the film, but like the fact that they make the main message about supporting each other and supporting your neighbors and like not that's the whole kind of thing

about again not leaving people high and joy this because they're not fighting the same course as you or whatever it is, like you know, it's because they've got a different battle and it's not your battle. Actually just like still going, no, we get we've got the same oppressors or whatever. So like it. It was great and Paddy Constantine's amazing in it. The storms's amaze him. Bill Nai like it's sandwiches. Well that scene, yes, when when he's making this, that's one of the many scenes that makes

you try when that is so well done. Yeah, there's too many. It's a scene after seen that this destroys me and I was absolute wreck by the time it was taking time. Do you like, I don't mean this sort of weirdly do you like crying, Well, you like this is I didn't cry for years. So my I cried when I was up seventeen, my cats died and I cried, and I didn't cry again until Pride, well not far off, like maybe until I was thirty. Like,

I just didn't cry. I couldn't cry. I wasn't trying to necessarily, but like I was, like, I just don't. I guess that's the thing. I just don't cry. Yeah, And then that was it, And then I found that way until I was saying this debate right, and I'm doing twenty years. Yeah, you seem like a man of principle. And so the next person to have you is what is the film that you love and ashamedly? Yeah? But

this is bad. It is certainly critically reviled. People say this film is bad, but you're like, f few, this film is amazing. Final Destination five lovely choice? Is that the rather place to wear? No, it's not the Rother it's the final one. It's the Final five. Yeah, yeah it was. It was freely D three D. Yeah, Yeah,

what a film? Talk to me. I love all the Final Destination films, and what I love about them is that it's essentially the same comedy sketch over and over again, and you know what the punch line is going to be every time. So this guy here's a bunch of sketches and at the end they're going to die. So the end, the main the main character in the sketch is going to die and you know that, and the lasts are all the different ways that they could possibly die, and then at the end we kill them in the

way that you don't suspect. It was funny. So it's like the first show, it's just catchphase comedy. You know. What it depends on is this is how are they going to get somehow? Trying to reinvent it every single time, and I think it's brilliant. And by the time they get to Final Destination five, they fully know that's all this is, so they don't really bother with the plot. What's the big the big thing the premonition death at the beginning? And is it the driving with the love

on the way? No, So that's that's like a that's another one that's like quite an early one. Okay, it is. I'm pretty sure it's because now I'm worried that I'm getting them mixed up. I'm pretty sure I'm not. It's a bridge collapses and they're all on this busy and let's somehow survive it. So yes, small for them, that's quite a small. It's pretty huge bridge collapsing. It is a big and it's not veryone's dying. It's really fun like someone gets like boiling tar poured on them. Way,

I kind of want you to spoil this. They don't listen if you downpil But if it's the final, final, final destination? Do they cure death? How do they stop it? How is it the final one? They do not cure death. And here's the thing. And I know what you're going to say when I tell you this, and I did not do this deliberately, but it's not the final one. It reveals it happened before the first one, and it was the first. It triggers the whole thing. That's what's

quite that's cool. What's quite great about it is that even the people who hate it takes we whould go. It's a really good twist because you don't realize until the end, Oh they've not been using modern technology. This was set before that, But you don't realize it for the whole film. He was like, you don't real if any of that, and then you realize that this was before the first one. That's what they did. My favorite

sort of not loved for a series is Paranormal Activity. Yeah, and Paranormal Activity, the Marked ones where they really went off piece at the end is he sort of has accidentally become a ghost kind of thing, like he's going through a dimension where he can't be seen, and he walks through a door into the first paranormal activity and the big scary noises in the house at him just walking around. Nice. Great, it's great, it's great, it's really cool.

But like also I saw it on the so my first ever solo show at HIV, which any comic who's done at Edinburgh will tell you that the debut show, if you're not really prepared for Hunson to make you feel, it makes you feel more anxious than you thought you would, more stressed, your ego takes a real beat in. You have a lot of doubt and it's a quite a

stressful month. And at the end of the month I booked a train back a little bit too late, so maybe like I had a whole day in Edinburgh and everyone else had gone home apart from me, Tom about from Tile and I think it was Lee and Paul from Late Night Gim Fight, but I'm not sure if any of the other maybe Matt was there as well.

But we all decided we were going to go and see Final Destination five at the cinema, just go see that we've got And we went there and watching after a month of being at a festival where we were all obsessed over making these perfect shows that will impress the critics and impress the awards panel and all this kind of stuff, and then you go and see a film that's literally gone, we don't care, we don't care about any of you say about this. We know this is fun. We're just gonna have a load of fun

with this film. And we're now putting it in three D so that you can really have also a three D film where I was playing it was in three D, where it's I'm just sitting there going, oh yeah, they've added a lot of depth to it, so it actually things seem further away. Stick in your face. I wanted my face at the three D films a bit in my face. I want to say, you know, in the Bridge Fall, apart and they all did everything is you know,

exploding out any face? Yeah, it was away from my face. Yeah, well one of them literally have already sat at the back. All these metal rods slide off of a lorry and just go through someone and they all come right at you. It's great. So like it was, it was such a good film. And what to go? Oh yeah, you know what, when I'm in the audience, I just want to enjoy myself and have fun. And a second enemy a lot of you just pointing into your face, the point in

the face and killing them all. Yeah, yeah, that was my favorite. Say you did? Okay? The next thing I wouldn't know then, is what is the film that has the most meaning to you? Not because you love the film per se, but because of the circumstances in which you saw it, for examples, first date with Sammy Weeks and in love with them or whatever. What's the film the experience of what's net film that is your So

this is one of my favorite films as well. So it's boy, which is a film by Tiger Oh okay, who people will know from you did four n but you also did what we saw doing the shadows and the wonderful the wild of people, but like they were humping the wilder people, which is great. Um and eagle versus sharps. His first film, Boy was the second one, but based on like a short film we've done before. Boy is one of my favorite films ever. And I

watched it. It It was the first time I went to New Zealand, and I am in love with that country. And some of that is probably because my ex girlfriend is from there and so like I spent a lot of time there. But what's not but what's nice is that I know that, you know, my relationship with that country immersed with her two different things, and you know, I didn't know that, and I for a while I

thought New Zealand. I thought it's just connected to get it's just because have heard that I like it so much. And then like I went there after the breakup and I was like, oh no, I just love which is lovely as well to go back. I love everything about this country is so great. And I was really lucky to go out with her and have it that she because she was really proud of where she came from.

And I got to spend a lot more time, like you know, immersed in that when I was over there with her and meeting her family and and like, there's so much in that film. I just actually, yeah, I really love it because the first time I saw it was when sometimes when I went to New Zealand, I just had this is a different breakup betimes. I'm always getting I always having breakups, but I just had a breakup and I went to Yeah. Yeah, So I went to New Zealand like a week after having a breakup.

I've never been before. I was going for the comedy Festival, and it was just like exactly what I needed. I was very lucky something. You know, there's loads of times when you're really lucky to have this job, and that was one of the times of like how fortunate that this is my job and that I get to just go on a plane. Yeah. And I went there and I just had this amazing time discovering this new plays. It felt really good. And then someone organized someone called

Hide I love them. She sorted out she knew most of the hand seen Boy. She was like, we're going to watch it this afternoon at the Classic, which is a venue, and she'd like sorted out, look a big TV, got out and bought Boy and she's like, we want to watch it at this time, and come along, you want to watch it, and so I went along and

it was unlike any film I've seen before. Really, it was the beautiful film that makes you care about all of the characters but never really puts them in too much danger, and yet you still feel worried for them. The whole thing doesn't really like it's a huge peril, but it's just quite sad anyway. The certain taxes are quite sad, and so you just with them every step of the way. And it's a very it's a very funny film in parts as well, but like it's really

one of the kind. And that was like the first time I saw it, it made me feel really I've already kind of like growing to love New Zealand anyway, and that really locked it in of like because it's such a New Zealand film, but not in a way that there were some films that have been made presumtive, but the one that with Jake the Mussin that everyone talks about, it's just like the first what's it called,

where's a horrible film about domestic violence? Oh? Yeah, yes, yes, And people associate those kind of gritty films of New Zealand. A lot of the time it has made films that are quite gritty and horrible, and I often don't really celebrate the country much where the type of films I feel really celebrate New Zealand and what's great about it. And even though Pride is the film that I try out the most, Boy is getting there and Boys the

fastest I cried at a film. Boy. I cry at the first line immediate, but the fact it opens and it's it's a close up of boy, right, so like it's just his face, Yeah, his face fills the screen and it says cure, And then I cry immediately because it's such a The opening is just like he's smiling and he's saying something that I've only heard people saying

in New Zealand. They probably say it other places, but like it's so such a an opening of just then been proud of New Zealand immediately, which especially because there's a bit of a culture New Zealand from you've got to be humble and not crouding yourself and stuff like that, and so I don't remember not crouding yourself, but not big heading and not arrogant, but that opening is just so proud of their country and I've been there and it just immediately makes me cry straight away and I

love I love it, And yeah, that that first viewing was just a very special thing. I feel like it's so and it wasn't help you heal in your break up. It's probably how many Hell yeah, both breakups that I mentioned, so like, yeah, that first one definitely because it was like I just needed to get away, go somewhere else, and then realized there's this amazing place, all of amazing people,

and like I'm just having that experience was great. And then the other relationship where yeah, she was told New Zealand because I didn't have any hard feelings towards her. She's brilliant, And then a film like that kind of just reminds me. But yeah, she's brilliant, and that that feels good. When I was when my first girlfriend, I was worth the three years and when she broke up

with me. The day she broke up with me, we had tickets to a preview of Reccing for a Dream and because we'd really liked the trainer and we'd like, yeah, and I she broke she broke up with me, and I was in my room sort of crying, and I was sad, and then I thought, I'm not going to miss out on this, Like I could stay here and cry and got a ticket to this film, and so I went to see Take What Right Chea. Yeah, but that's not me. No, I thought, well, I think Reconfendrea's

got a happy ending. But no, that's theory when the Sun said famously, when because I feel like at the end of reckoning of your dream, everyone's life's gonna get better. Everyone's lives canna get better. Where it ends, it's like because it can't get anywhere because it cry it ends, and you go, fuck you hear what happened? Let yeah, recomend dream Days. He's clean now, it's gonna be right. It's gonna get our business. He's to be fine. She's in a mad coble where she's mad and she's happy

and she's on TV. It's gonna be fine, and he's gonna go and get him and they're gonna be having being back to chemist the ending? How you have got that from that? Speaking of sexy films, what what's it? I mean? Yeah, I know you're a very you're very sexual animal. What's the what's the film you think is the sexiest? What's the film gave me the most trouble in your pants? Yeah, so it's not. That's not my think is the sexiest. Now, I don't know what film

that would even be. I don't really even watch films. A lot of things so sexy, not since The Rescue nort But the only thing I've watched and I've been like, this is so sexy American Pie because you love because of how old I was, I was thirteen. Yeah, well, except there's sort of sexy in the main pay is like revenge porn, assault, isn't it what happens? They set up cameras and make her Yeah thirteen, I'm not intellectual nothing. I'm just like, oh my god, there's boobs in the film,

like there was never that. I've never seen that before in the film. No, and she's beauty sexually means, so there was that. That's really there's the hot mum. The guy gets a sleeper. That's really sexy. Oh genuinely in that film, I was like I would like to have sex. I was like, I have sex with everyone right now. This film is maybe the sex is the best thing ever. The first time probably thirteen Well, I don't know, like I remember I've spoke about this on other podcasts before,

but my my my awakening was watching a cartoon. I think it was a hand of barbela cartoon about two eggs and a boy are going a girl like walking around the kitchen and the boy and fancied the girl. They're gonna both quite innocent looking little eggs, and the

girl falls into a pot of boiling water. But then she comes out and she's really sexy, like Sandy d at the end of yeah, so yeah something, she's like that she's she's really mean, and I was like, I want to egg but like me, I wanted the mean one sas why I'm thirty three and singles still that's because I've always gone for the long girls. Like yeah, but like that was the first time I was like, oh, I think, well, the thing is he went from eggs

to pie. I mean there's a clear trajectory eggs to pie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I trusted in the increased pie. Yeah yeah, clearly that's the kind of stuff I should be watching. Great British absolutely, Hollywood, you Lucky Son ever done? Okay, thank you. It's a good answer. Okay, this one. The question is what is the film that you most related to? What film have

you works with? That's me that whether the character or the vibe of the film, or yes, now you can be as arrogant as you want, or yeah, whatever I think I'm doing. I think I've maybe got this one long okay, but it's the film. Maybe it's not I relate to. It relates to how I fought about stuff, so put the company. I was in a load of bands, and the aim was never to be necessarily like seen massive or favors. Yeah, it was to do something significant

with music, make a difference. And always felt like people always like you're never gonna get you told a lotcually maybe not gonna get anywhere, and it's something to happen, and you think just trying and just doing it as enough and this is and that's kind of what I tell myself a lot. But it's only me telling myself that, don't really have anyone else reinforcing that and going, yeah, just you know, it's enough that you're doing it. You're

probably you know, who knows. You might write a song and then no one hears it, but then ten years time someone picks it up at lights that But I was trying to say to myself that might happen. If you're doing something that you really like, other people will find it. Eventually they're like it. And it's a film called Fish Story. It's a lesbian film. No, no, that's go fish But you know, of course, of course you've heard of that one or not this one. But what

is it? So it's a film about it's about the band Yes, who are recording a it's a single and they find out while they're recording it it might have

been an album. They find out while they're recording it that they're getting dropped from the label and that this is the last album that they're done, and they got nothing in this band besides, and they're splitting up and they record this final song and he's using lyrics that he's he got from a book that he read, which is a book that no one's heard of, and that like,

you know, never never did any business. And I think there's only like I remember in the film now, but if there's like even only one copy of it, he's got hold of it. It's like something ridiculous. There's this story behind this book, and while he's singing it, he makes a speech to the record label kind of saying how much he doesn't care about that they're dropping them. And then when they're like a label released the album,

they cut his speech out, but they leave it. There's a silence, so there's a song, and then there's this block of silence, and then the song starts again, and then it's like a little kind of cult album and people have theories about the silence and it's like a haunted thing or something like that, and it's all like through different times. So the next kind of time period is someone going home. It's kind of quite weedy guy.

He gets pushed around by a lot of people driving home in his own and this song's to take deck and silence come on. And during the silence, he hears a scream and he stops and realizes there's a woman getting assaulted and he goes up to try and help her. I think it just like fades out on that you

don't really see what happens. And then there's another scene that's like on a boat and he's terrorists takeover the boat, and then one of the passengers is this boy who just it's like a martial arts master, like it's an indestructible kid just takes them all on on his own stories them and one of them passages this girl who was asleep, and he goes saves her life basically, and then she goes to school, does really well, becomes like a genius mathematician. And then there's an asteroid heading for

Earth that's going to kill everybody in the future. Je yes, and then she is the whole plot of the film. But you had to yeah, exactly, this isn't that's what I was like a gift. But then she's basically the mathematician who figures out how to stop the asteroid. So if that and has also also the word also the kid who's like the coming food master, the marsh arts master. Yeah, is the child of the guy and the woman in the by the side of the roads, the guy who

saves that woman. They go out and then he trains the kids in a way to be a wimp like him. Where's a fish Story? The book is called fish Story that he reads, and then the song is called fish Story that they like. So it's kind of about if you do anything creative, it's taking it to the m's degree and going you could be a little shitty punk band who no one listens to and you saved the world.

I think I like that you relate to that. But I would say if you want to be sort of a creative person that no one sees and then you'll discovering any of your the and don't think yourself a netflix, well, actually change the thing. No, it's not, you know, it's still like it's basically the whole thing about it's just worth it to try, you know it. It's positive whatever you're doing, and if you're being creative, it's having a

positive effect when you were in your bed. Yeah. That, and but it just takes it to It's like it takes that theory to its most preposterous limits. It's a bit tarantine. I asked the film and there's is great montage at the end where they just showed everything in order. So they showed the guys talking to get his book made and how it eventually leads to the world being safe, and it's it's just quite It's like that in School of Rock. Both made me feel like just worth it

a try and be creative, that's all it is. There's like there's enough to just try one of the best films, so great, so amazing. Yeah. What's interesting about history is actually it sounds a bit like finals in terms of this, this, this, but it's the opposite leads to saving that. Yeah yeah good at the end. Yeah yeah yeah, music will save us, Aula. That's I still believe that, you believe that's it? Yeah, I mean music, music, it gets me though. Yeah, anything

that's great, it's amazing, magical, believe that. Yeah. A side note, then, what's the film with the best soundtrack? You can only have one. I like a lot of films that John Brian does the music for. Yes, and my favorite, yeah, I have Bees was nearly my film that I loved at the time when yeah, now, so there's a bit too much of its time. And also David Muscles made much better films since, but ib is a great soundtrack and maybe that would be it. Or come back to

what film do you think is Objectively? It might not be your favorite film, but you are like, technically that is the greatest film of all time, in the same way critics usually say a Citizen Cane or Vertigo. It might have be your favorite, but you go from oh yeah, that's fair enough that's the greatest film ever. Oh okay, so I interpret this one has been my favorite one, but you know, and something like something like Shiners and Sittizens is a great film. But I don't think you're

gonna go, well, let's put in this list. Sure, it's Friday night. I think if I was to say the director of all time, once I say standing Kubrick, Okay, it's when you've his greatest film, then I guess the greatest films the only one that I didn't like all the way through it, which is a great film, I'd say it's the one that I would say, like if someone saying, will show me the greatest time? Yeah, Aliens, come, you can only turn one for them? What's the greatest film?

Is this medium of the film? Like I might, I didn't like it two thousand and one great, Like I'll probably show up that, but I'll go listen Aliens. Before I watched this full dist closure, I like the bait of the monkeys at the beginning, and I really love the house story and everything else. I'm going to fast forward it, okay, but in their game, yeah, yeah, okay, this is a very long I wish the film was

just the howthing, and I would like it more. But then if it was just the how thing for the whole film, I might not show it to people as an example of hares like yeah, because that the whole thing is, like you still get to the end and go, well,

that's impressive, that's amazing that you that it's incredible. Also that he did it before Yeah, people went to the moon and ship Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah before yeah before did he hope that he could do mean fat Yeah he did the moon land and then they put clothes in the shining that he done the moon landing. Apparently

I know all about it. Yeah, before we get to the phone missing when Bonus missing, and I just want I don't know, being too negative, but if we could quickly go with what do you think it's the worst of it? What's your what's the worst film you've ever seen? Reminition staring Sandra Bullock. On paper, this sounds fun. She lived a week in the wrong order, so that's great.

And her husband dies, so Dave one. Her husband dies in a lorry accident, and then she wakes up the next morning and it's his life but earlier in the week, and she wakes up again it's the funeral, so she's figuring out how a sabing and that sounds great, sounds like finally there's an It is awful. It's so boringly written right, it doesn't work the end. It is ridiculous that she ends up being the one who kills him in the car. But like, sounds so good. It's absolutely awful.

It's so bad. I would have walked out the cinema. But when I saw it, I can only couldn't really afford to go to the cinema very often, so I'm like, well take it here, I am I going to watch it. It was absolutely amendous tell this story on podcast. You and I, I think one of the significant times where I made a decision about what I think about art and stuff happened with you because you and I on

a date to see to see the film Snowtown. Yes, Snowtown, which is about the true story of a serial killer in Australia, and it is such a depressing, bleak, horrible film that although I think technically it's very well made,

I hate that film. I think it's I don't know why it exists and ways, and there we were sat there an hour in and we've played twenty quitter ticket and it was like and about an hour into an already horrendously leaked film, one brother wrestles his other brother to the floor and starts ranking him, and the camera just stays in the cord watching a boy be raped by brother. And I turned to James and I said that said to takem I thought, what are we doing here? Why?

And it made me realize that my big theory, which is the drama without jokes, without humor in it, is bad art. It means you have not looked at life, You've not understood life. Because when you read true stories of the Holocaust, people in concentration camps, they make jokes like that, people make people. There are moments of humor even in the darkest shit. And if your film doesn't

have a fucking joke in it, you have failed. It's bad art, right fucking managed about the seat, tragic, heartbreaking, larious ladies of jackets. There still some jokes in there. I mean you have to dig deep to find them, but like, yeah, there's still some jokes in Manchester by the Sea anyway. But Manchester by the Sea has also

I would say it has relatable stuff in it. Snowtown. Yeah, it doesn't have a bit where you go, oh yeah, that's like unless you've been through any of that horrific shit, yeah, it's not. And even then if you have, it's not a relatable thing in a good way, you know, like in Manchester by the Sea you can go okay, Yeah, even though I've not been for any of this stuff, I can see how like a human beings, you know,

empathize them, imagine that happened to you. I don't know, I can see how many feels like that and he is in this awful position and when ship and you really feel for them all I mean Snowtown, it's like, this is just horrible. Yeah, it was really horrible thing after a horrible thing, and I have to know that it really happened, and the world is horrible. Yeah, really awful, really awful. But at least that it got a reaction out of me that I was like, oh, that's so horrid.

When it really messed with me, permonition was like, no, I just hate it. It's just about this is boring. It's bad, it's ridiculous. And also I hate it when people take a what's quite a good idea, who fell over the bar and had murder it, so like, yeah, okay, So to end on a more positive I'm sorry for being briefly negative there. So this is the final question is no, what is the greatest film? What is the film that you I guess it depends on your definition.

I'd say this is your favorite film? What's the film that you could watch the most forever or have watched them very said to you, Oh, that film's only been great, let's watch it again. Sure, Why would you say this is our favorite? This isn't your favorite film? So it's when you could watch over and over because I think this is my favorite film. It's one of my favorite films.

So this is final tap is my answer. The someone could watch over and over again because I have watched it over and over again and I know I can do it. No one's saying the most out of any film. The last time I saw it was at the cinema because they was doing the screening, and it's the only time I've been in a cinema where the laughs were all at the start of each scene. So literally the scene would open and the audience would laugh because we

all knew what was going to happen. And we weren't necessarily laughing at the jokes, but like, you know, so I can't wait for this because it would open it being his hands playing the piano. I'm gonna be lit, my love pub this is so funny. It's gonna be that scene. And so like every bit of that film, every line is funny. You could just completely get lost in all of it. Like I watched it for the first time, didn't think it was funny. Me and my brother watched it. I was like, why are people talking

about that film? And then we started quoting it even though we didn't like it, and we're like, well, like we're quoting it, maybe we watch it again. And we watched it again. It was the best film would ever seen, so funny, and then I had it on video, would take it off TV, and I just went around all of my friends house, was like, you got to watch it, and made all my friends watch it. And did they not like it the first time? He made him? No,

they quite liked it. Actually, well some of them did them didn't, but my friend Jake and my friend two of my friends really liked it, and so they wanted to also show up other people. So it was always watching the people. And then I went to college to do a music course and met my friend Graham that I'm still friends with now, who was in looads of bands with But his favorite film was also Spinal Tap, so we were quoting it all the time. So all

the time I just kept on it. Where it College, Northampton of happening, We did a b tech course in music practice many women. Yeah, yeah, well no, no one have broken up with me. I don't think having a proper golfriend at that. I've never know, but like busy masturbating two eggs, yeah, thank you? Yeah, yeah. If we were in a music shop, we had to go up to the guitars and going still with the old tag guy. Still,

I've never ever played it. I liked having to do stuff like that all the time, and so the one I enjoyed watching the most over and over again. So what's yours? You said that isn't your favorite? What's your favorite film? And then I guess we haven't asked that, Yeah, what is your favorite film? Is a turn of stunt train of spotless Man? That is film? Of course it is, of course it is. Did you even have to ask? Surely you know that's my favorite film. It's got the

John Bran John brands A soundtracks. It's about a brain tap. Yeah, it's sad, but it's pop, it's funny. It's funny, it's it looks beautiful. It looks beautiful, It's whimsical, innovative. Yeah, also very mismatched couple. Yeah, also what I like about it? So I like everyone who's involved in that film. Yeah, And I really like Miche Bandry and I really like Charlie Kaufman. But that film is just the perfect marriage for both of them in that I don't I don't

think either of them. I liked Senectic Key New York who that film, I really liked it, But the things that signed me the most of them. So I do like films that are really, you know, difficult, and not everyone's gonna like that, but my favor but films I wanted that managed to be innovative and yet accessible. And that film is so creative, so inventive and original and yet relatable accessible opinion. People who like mainstream films could like that film, you know, and enjoy it. And I

don't think there's anything about it that I don't like. Also, Jim Carey he's amazing. I like him with loads of films, but like I've watched him growing up. You know, my first abstruction to him so as a kid, and it was all of his you know, more wacky like big you know, I mean when he probably blew up with Dama and Dama in the Mask and Aventure and they were all like back to back and he was great. So I loved him as a kid, one of my favorite actors because I was watching comedy films all the time.

So then to be an adult or in my twenties and see him in this film that I've really related to. But it's this guy who I've grown up with, would love anyway. And then see him and now he's doing a film I can really relate to on a different level.

Is quite special because definitely when I watched it and time was the time I likes to be watching films like Garden State and stuff like that and thinking those kind of female characters, what kind of people wanted to be with, and so she kind of fit into that. But then you watch it as an adult, you go, oh, she's not that. She's literally him. Charlie Kampman saying those cats are bullshit because She's literally saying, I'm not I'm

not gonna sold anything for you. I'm not all this is like, oh yeah, she's great, Like even now you can watch it and being like I realized that the only Charlie kam film that's sort of optimistic is the most uptimistices films. I think most of them are pretty I loved them. I think he's brilliant. Yeah, I think he's I find what's the one, the first one being Dangers one of the saddest films. Yeah, that's the Matilda

of It's such a dark, sad ending. Although also the end of the it makes me laugh when Charlie Sheen knows on his house because the nicknames for each other, I'm just hilarious. Malcatraz she mashin. There's such a deliberately rubbish nickname, like they deliberately wrote a bad nickname. Yeah. I can't gotten the first happen for my source adaptation. Yeah, there's a lot of nods to be in Jomalkovic that you do you think you need to watch that film?

But I loved it. It's like nothing I'd ever seen before, and so I would watch everything was going done and I didn't mean knowing Michelle gonetrew very well, but like going to see a tonal Sunshine and being like, oh, that's that's that's just what I wouldn't I always want to watch that. Now, Okay, James, there will be next some answers. I just found out that when you dad in the quicksand you swallowed a lot of it and it made your your corpse. But like so much that

there's any room for one of these films in your coffin. Yeah, so which of the films that you've discussed it you're going to take with you forever? There is the only film you're gonna have in heaven. I can watch it, you can watch it, and you can show it to people in heaven, but you can't take all of it. It's only it's gonna do any film, Han say, is it going to be? Is it going to be? Or Final Destination? Five? Three? Some good picks? I think it's Gonne trying. I've got to take that with me. It

would be the one that i'd want to. I've been watching it over and over. It's fine, time and watch it every day and it's fine. But that's terms trying for the one that i'd want to show it to people. Have a bit of a break, but I don't want to things do want to watch it again? Would just be watching over. Yeah, let's do some gardening. Yeah, and also I think there's always things I do always every

time I watching us, I'm trying to spot something different. Yeah, I think it would be that you have to be that. I feel bad that I haven't. I just want to say, for the record, my favorite director is with Anderson and now we can move on. I feel bad I'm taching none of his films. He's your he's your favorite my favorite director not yet, but yeah, I couldn't feel it like him that much. I mean maybe I'm even going off of him, but like I think is my favorite metter.

I don't want to think about films. They're not make sure at any point, but like, yeah, can find a category that you fit into. Your company is currently being learned, even though a lot liked it, so I could great. Yeah, yeah, James, I'm going to let you go to heaven. You've earned it. And may I say thank you so much. May I say as as we end it, that you are the inturn of sunshine of people in whinsical and original and inventive and brilliant, but also accessible and people can get you.

I'm a bit large and carry and a bit like Kate Winsley. Oh yeah, you're not who they say you are. Thank you so much, Solve you guys, thank you so much for coming. Thank you really enjoyed this. You're a lovely Corey. Stop thanking over X. Good day. Well that was episode two hundred and seventeen, and also episode one. Haven't we come a long way? If anything, we haven't changed a bit? Am I right? What does it all mean? Who knows? Anyway? Thank you very much for listening. I

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