Ellie Taylor • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #186

a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Jamila Jamil, Sharon Stone, and even Med Campbell's. But this week it's the wonderful writer, actor and comedian Ellie Jane Taylor. Head over to the Patron at patron dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get an extra fifteen minutes

with Ellie. We go deep, we talk beginnings, we talk endings, we talk secrets, and you get the whole episode as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward slash Brett Goldstein. Big shout out to all the people who came to the live show at the weekend at the south Bank Center. What a lovely time that was for everyone. Thank you so much everyone who came. It was really, really very special and it meant a lot to both me and Jessica Nappitt said, thank you

for being there. Ted Lasso Season two is available now on Apple tv Plus along with season one. You can watch the whole lot in one go. Super Bob and Soulmates are available on Amazon Prime in most countries of the world, so enjoy them. Ellie Taylor. Ellie Taylor is a stand up she's a writer, she's an actor, she's a lot of things. And she's also best known to me for playing Sassy Smurf in ted Lasso, which she

does fucking brilliantly. We recorded this over zoom. It was so much fun to hang out with her, and I think you're going to adore this one. Thank you for listening.

That is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and eighty six of Films to be Buried with Hello and welcome to Films to be buried with It is I Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by an actor, a writer, a Sunday Times bestseller, a sellout, touring stand up, a TV comic, a TV actor, a film star, a mother, a wife, a hero, a legend, and most of all, Sassy Smurth herself. Please welcome to

the show. It's the Miss Lowe's actually a panel show, is a this reporter, show me the funnier, A man about town, a superhero and all the things that you want in a human being and a person. Please welcome to the show. It's the brilliant Ellie Taylor. Wow, thanks Brett. That was that was a mouthful. Hi there, I'm so sorry I got I jumped out too early and there was still so much more to do. Wait wait wait yeah, so she's a superhero. That's definitely true. Yeah, yeah, these

are facts. It's lovely to see you, Ellie Tayley. So you were filming your first night last night, first day, first night, Yeah, my first day, and for the first day I had to do stuffy stuffy with a mom and it was quite strange. Please if you can tell us the experience, I don't need to know what it's like to stud with another person. I've got an idea. But what how was your experience of filming it? It

was my first experience of filming it refessionally. Yeah, I've never never had to do a thing out before, so it was interesting. But we had, because it's twenty twenty two,

hadn't intimacy coordinator, which was very nice. Tell me all about the intimacy coordinator because I have not had that experience and I would be fascinated to know what it was like, right, So an intimacy coordinator sort of, I suppose I learned about them when there was that Sally Rooney adaption of normal People on the rom British Telly

and it's quite a sex heavy show. So they, the actors in it, spoke very openly about how they use an intimacy coordinator, which is basically someone to come in and act like a conduit between the actors, you know, the people doing the scenes and also the director, making sure everyone knows what's expected and also understanding what the actors are happy with and what they aren't happy with, how they want the scene to go, you know, where they're happy being touched and all that sort of jazz

and the scene I was doing wasn't you know, it wasn't super raunchy or anything, but it was Actually it was a really nice having someone there who's like their only job was to make sure that I was or me and the other actor were comfortable and that the scene went okay. And she came along with like we had a zoom call before and we spoke through about how the scene would go and what I would be up for doing and stuff. And then she came along

with a bag and sorry and that that cool. Is just one on one with you, right, that's not yeah, yeah, no, yeah, just it was just me. And then then she spoke to the actor, the other actor, and then she came along on this shoot night with a bag of tricks. So she she offered She offered me all sorts. She offered me like this sort of because we were like had to be like groin to groin, so she was gay, right,

So she was offering me like this. It's sort of like a padded pair of knickers, you know, like when girls wear chicken filets in their bra and it's like a padded thing. She she was offering me like like knickers with like that sort of stitched in so it would protect my predender, that's what she said. I enjoyed that.

I haven't heard that word for the listener home. Obviously, obviously I know which part is the pretender again, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the whole ship bags I think, right maybe, but yeah, the by the bony be I think, dear, dear,

this is a shame on both of us. Yes, and then yeah, I mean in the end, in the end, I just opted for sort of like this little this little pillow she called a thrust pillow that you sort of just like put between you and the other person, so it just sort of acts like a little bit of a barrier, so you aren't quite so intimate, I suppose. And it was. It was absolutely fine, and the other actors lovely, and it was wasn't half as cringe as I thought it would be, Thank the Lord. That's so interesting.

I think it's an excellent things, clearly an excellent thing. And it's really what is interresting is that when you first when one first hear of an intimacy coordinate, you sort of go, well, then wouldn't that take all the connection out of it or the acting or whatever it is? And then you watch something that no one will be when you go. I mean that the chemistry they have, it looks like they're having sex. I don't know what was going on unless the intermusic coordinator as both of them,

do you mind just having sex? And they went fine with me, let's go. Yeah. I think it's great. I think it's really great that they're there. And even if you don't like massively need them, it's I think it's just really Yeah, it's comforting to know that someone's there just looking after you. No, no, that's great. We'll congratulations on your first day of shooting. Thanks, thank you, thank you. You write a book about your daughter, I did. It became a Sunday Times bestseller. Yes, it is. I don't

like to bring it up. Thank you. Yeah, I'm really tough. It was. Yeah. My chime on the mistakes is all about me getting pregnant when I didn't really want to have a kid, and then having kid and then just the we wild newborn days. And I had a really well, not really rough in terms of general experience. It was.

It wasn't great. I had I think I had post notedd to pressure and in the kind well and and and sort of like once I got through that what your life looks like as a child, and it's yeah, it's The book's done really well and I'm safe pleased because it's really raw and honest, and I love getting messages from women saying that they have read it and

felt like validated. I think just to have sometimes to read your experience when you have, you know, I'm so lucky that my job is to you know, to all I do in my stand up is talk about my life because I'm so self obsessed. So this book is essentially that I sort of reflect back on my experiences. And I think so many women obviously you have kids, don't have the time to sit down and sit in the corner I go oh, how did I feel on the Berg book and to sort of order their thoughts

and feelings, and it's sort of psychothartic. So I think it was a real honor for me to be able to do that and to sort of put that out in the world for other women to read and relate to. And also, my mum always tells me, whatever you talk about the book on anything, you never say it's funny, so ps it's really it's when when it's not really raw and dark and it's horrible. It's really funny. Well,

also I think it's lovely. It's lovely. You're saying, you know, wherever you were you now are in a place where you are currently, whatever you went through to get here is is real and absolutely right. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I always say that to people with new kids, like, even as dark as it gets to the beginning, you have no idea of the joy that awaits you. It's ridic So just keep on swimming and you'll be You'll

be in joy land soon. You're always a tired but yeah, oh yeah, you're you're sleeping days are what can I ask this? And maybe this is in the book, and if it is, I apologize having been someone that didn't want kids. When you gave birth, when you very first held your kids, was there an instant oh my god, this is magic for him, even if it was briefly or was it just what the fuck is this? It was sort of somewhere in between. It was very nice. It was such an exciting day, Like I loved that day.

That was lovely to me because I had a plant's area, so it was all very ordered and not you know, like suddenly scary it was all lovely and I was like that, and the operating staff was so gorgeous. I always say she was like lifting into joy. It was such a lovely atmosphere, really fun and holding her that was amazing, Like seeing like they lowered the screening, you like, see this little scrawny creature come out a little goblin.

And I liked her. I liked her then and then I had to try and then I liked her for a while, and then when when I got back home, I think that's when it got. I mean, I never I never disliked her, but I I don't think I I think you have to. I had to fall in love with her. I always felt protective and I always wanted to look after her. But I think the the affection certainly grew. It grew, I always say, like it. Yeah, it sort of crept under my skin as as slowly

as she grew beneath it. It took a while to get there. But yeah, now it's just so intense, and I think it's I think it's the romantic love I've always craved, like, you know, the movie style, bring it back to the podcast. Yes, the movie style idea of romance that is what I've that is the love that I've found with my daughter that I don't think. I just don't think there's anything like it. It's just so

intense and I'm yielding and only ever deepening. And yeah, it just me And I never thought of baby loves like romantic love that it feels. It feels so, it feels so passionate and intense. Yeah, I just I would describe my love my daughter as violent, like I just adore her. Yeah, that's so great. I have a male friend who shall remain nameless, who once told me he'd spent years and years and years and years like with different women and constantly constantly questioning everything, and and finally

had a baby with someone. And I don't think he was even sure about that person, but he was like, oh, it's like I've got and he said when I held my baby, I was like, that's my soulmate. That that that feeling that he had wanted with a woman and never found he had with his baby. So having said all that, I've just looked at my notes and I forgot to tell you something and I feel like I'm about to tell you this. It's really really not ideal. After you've said such a beautiful thing. Um, I should

have I should have said it up top. Do you want to You could put a sting in or something now to break it up. You've died. Oh, it's bad news. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. How did you die? Oh? No, oh, oh, dear. I think it was a shark attack, unfortunately, was it? Yeah? What happened. I was in the sea, which remember, I

think it was. It was in the oceans of Sydney, the northern beaches of Sydney, and I was out for a lovely little a little paddle, diving through some waves, and then lo and behold, straight ahead of me, it was like looking I was looking at like you know when Damien Hurst at those sharks in formaldehyde, and you could like look straight on at a shark. That's exactly what I saw. That was the last thing I saw, Brett.

And then and then here I am. You were looking straight at the shark and then one one big bite, one big bite gone. Yeah, maybe just set at the head. I'm not sure that it was at the head. It's quite abrupt. Yeah, I'd say that isn't a bad way to go. If it was straight ahead it beat you in half and that feels like a slower death. But heads coming off you yeah, yeah, out of it straight away. So it was traumatic, but you know it would make the Daily Mail. So I'm pleased, right, Ellie. Ellie Taylor

in in beheading with a shark. It would probably be like a host of bb Now I'm a post host of BBC three's canceled Snog Marry avoid in tragic shark tragedy Snog Mary killed by shark. There we go, There we go. Do you worry about death, Ellie Taylor? Yes, yes, I do. Yeah, I do. I think recently, always and recently. And then some you just get moments of like, isn't it I just can't believe that I'm going to die. I can't believe that. Isn't that mental that I'm going

to die? And then some as I lie in my bed and I'm like, oh, I'll be in my coffin like this one there lying like this. Yeah, horror, isn't it staring at the a bit of wood, just staring and that's boring. Yeah, maybe they've put an iPad to the top or something, but it's um, yeah, it's just it's yeah, I find it hard do you know what, I also haven't really had that much experience with death,

only sort of you know, the acceptable losses. I'd be very fortunate, you know, just the grandparents, that sort of thing. Touch would I've never had anyone, you know, I've never had a proper tragedy I've had to deal with, which I always think, what is inevitable and happened at some point, and we'll all lose everyone at some point, so I think when that hits, perhaps that will bring it home. But at the moment, it all seemed like a sort of like a plot line for everyone else that won't

affect me. Well possibly to say, yeah, I mean very possibly, you're you're the only person who will die by a shark head and then everyone else you know will be fine, which is it's not bad. What do you think happens when you die? I would love to think that you have, I don't know, float around in the wind and the trees and the grass and all that jazz. But realistically, I think, so, no, bro, I'm not I'm not religious, and I'm not spiritual. I'd love to be spiritual, but

I've honestly the spirituality of a class of milk. I've got nothing. I've got nothing. I don't believe in anything like that. I've never yeah, I've never had a sign or I've never I don't know. I haven't be odd like you know when you find a white feather and goat it's an angel and then you're like, oh, I'm in my like, I'm in my like you know, winter downy coat, that's why. Or I'm changing the bed and I've blacked the duvet, that's why the feathers come. We

maybe had names you're hiding under your bed. Maybe maybe, but I don't. I don't know. Maybe when I always think one day, when I'm older, I have more time to investigate spirituality. But I'm too busy right now, too basically right now to think about those big things. But your career is flying. You ain't got time for reading books on. Don't worry about it. You'll get you get there,

You'll get there in the I don't worry about it. Well, listen, I've done a lot of the heavy lifting for you, long story short, those of heaven, and you made it. You made it on the basis of your book, which touched many people, and as your performance as Sassy's Murph and Ted I said, that is really fucking brilliant. That's why. Um, and that was it. I mean, the rest of the rest of your your your staff was weighed up and

it was like a half and half. People were like, as a person, yeah sure, but but when when it came down to it was the book so career focused in not snock mary avoid is appropriate one, know what I mean? So fair enough? Quite right? What it's weird? I mean the rules are always different for everyone who arrives. And sometimes you just have to be a good person. Sometimes you just have to be nice. In your case, you have to achieve two career milestones. What what what's

your favorite thing? Because heavens filled with it? Breakfast cereal? Right, well is the news? Do you have a particular favorite breakfast cereal multi packs? I like a variety back. I also am a very big fan of curiously cinnamon and also one that kellogs have stopped doing, which is called Start. From the olden days, you remember to start. Start was like a virgin of special k right sort of. It always had like a swimmer on the back, being like

makes swim fast. Yeah, it's delicious. It's defunct. Now that's what. Yeah, that's what well, listen, the wolves are variety packs and the chairs are made of curiously cinnamon boxes. But and there's bowls of cereal wherever you want, and they're always perfectly the right amount of milk. They're perfectly crispy. And yeah, they're everywhere. You can just reach your hand out. Oh there's a new but there's a different one and you want start. Don't worry about it, mate, you can have

start Start the Wizard. There's a whole start room right by the swimming pool, of course, and the swimming pool filled with milk, which you have as a spirituality act. Oh yeah, yeah. And everyone's delighted to see you. There's lots of special case swimmers. They're they're very excited to see you. They're all big fans. They want to talk about your life, but they wan't to talk about your life through film. The first question, Nails, is what's the

first film you remember seeing Ellie Jane Taylor. I think the first one would be something like Seven Brides, Seven Brothers Lovely, yeah, which my so my mum would have shown. We watched a lot of those sort of old musicals and I loved Seven Brides for some Brothers and I loved Singing in the Rain, all that sort of stuff really my vibe. But yeah, I just I think Seven Seven Brothers was so I mean, it's the plotline is

out rageous these days. But seven brothers go and abduct seven women and bring them back to be their wives, like they kidnap them, and then they sort of go like Stockholm syndrome, and then fall in love with them all and get married and it's all. And then the dad's got a very very odd anyway putting out a side. It's got lots of lovely songs in which I really love, and I loved I don't know. I loved all the

different brothers and they're silly. They all they had different colored shirts and all their funny names, and yeah, I just I loved it. It's a great film, and I don't see any problem with the politics of it. I think it very much stands stands up to mother's scrutiny. They're brothers, they're brothers, they're looking for brides. Whereas there's seven of them. The numbers it's just too many. You can't they can't all go on a dating app and

hope to find seven appropriate women. The answer is a kidnapping and sing them good enough songs that they fall in love. Oh, and also force an avalanche to block the road between their house and all the girl's house so they can't be rescued. Shows to the brides they're clever, they're using their initiative, and they'll make great husbands, as they prove. They proved they do still like the medium of dance. Yeah, did you watch that at home on the Telly? Yeahs when it came out, Yeah ninety, I'm

not I'm not yeah at home on the Telly. And I think the first film I remember seeing at the cinema was a Little Mermaid. Yeah, so I think my nan took me and my sister and my cousin somewhere in London where she lived, and we went to watch The Little Mermaid. And afterwards we came out and there was a lady dressed as a Little Mermaid. Um, and I loved it. I loved that. I loved that film.

I loved part of your world. I always say to my mom, now, if I died now, actually well actually I am dead, so at my funeral, they would have played part part of part of your world. That would have been my funeral everyone in the congregation brush their hair with forks. That's just what they did. Yeah. I love that film. I love the songs. It's a really, really, really good film. Are you an only child? No, I have a sister. She's older than me. Did you see

a little memaid with her? Yes? I did? Yeah? Yeah? Did you fight over who got to be arial? She was just older? She would have been default been arial and yeah I probably yeah, or Sebastian. I won't do the accent. Don't worry. Um, Yeah, that's lovely. What is the film that scared you the most? Do you like being scared? Absolutely not. I hate being scared. I find it. I find it's so mad that people deliberately want to watch something that frightens them. I just don't get that mindset.

Life frightens me enough without actually giving me. Also, I just I find if I see something scary, even if like a trailer for a scary film comes on the TV, I have to switch the channel or look away or turn the sound off, because I don't you know that just the flashing images of suddenly like the speaking man in the mask being by a window, that will just haunt my brain and I will keep thinking about it,

So now I hate scary things. The most scary film I think I've ever watched, well, one of them would be Signs, Yeah, which is about yeah, about aliens. But as soon as I saw the alien I wasn't scared anymore. But it's it's the sort of scuttling around and something you can't see is always scary than when it as you do. And also I think the proper scariest thing where I saw twenty eight Days Later is great film. Though I like this sort of the psychological sort of

you know, examination of that sort of terror scenario. But yeah, I haven't there's there's follow ups to that isn't there, but I haven't bought myself to watch it. But I really enjoyed it. But I was fucking terrified. I really enjoy Signs. I mean, Signs is great. The answer to like, how do we kill these aliens? Oh, they don't like water seems fairly so. Just a little bit of rain and that problem goes away. I've forgotten that. Yeah, just wait for the rainy season. It'll be fine. Get the

super soakers out. But it's good that you don't like being scared. A lot of comedians don't like being scared. It's surprising me. I really comes up. It's a surprising amount of comedians answer this the way you have been scared whenever scary films. Yeah, yeah, everyone's interesting. Yeah, control freaks, I think, yeah, probably, Yeah, that would make sense. What is the film that made you cry the most? And are you a crier? I am a crier. Yeah. I think I've got worse since I've had a kid, as

everyone said would happen, and it's true. The film that made me cry the most, I think the first I really remember viscerally sobbing at Titanic when I saw that after us time, Oh my god, Bret, I've never seen anything more tragic in my life. And it stayed with me for ages, and I would I recorded the Celindeon song off the radio onto a cassette, and I just every time I heard it in the radio, I would record it. So I had it like twelve times on one side of it, and I would just I would

lay in bed. And my favorite one was when they had the there's a version of it that has the bits of dialogue from the filming. I never let girl Jack. I never let girl and so I would listen in bed at night and just saw saw about how sad it was and like all the people dying. And I remember we'd be at school, like playing netball on like a winter's day, and me and my friend Kate would be would be, you know, just sort of outside shivering and go. Can you imagine on Titanic they were even

colder than this? Oh my god? And I yeah, I found I found that. And this scenes of when there's like the little boy and his mum on the bed and the old couple and all of those would really play with me. That that and you know, the realization that was actually there was a true story that did actually happen. That really yes it was. I don't know, I just I don't remember ever sort of really suddenly going craps is awful, and yeah, really it really upset

me that film. It is interesting, right, because I've been thinking about it, Titanic comes up a lot. It really really really affected a huge number of people, and certainly a particular age group when it hit you know what I mean, like in a way like devastated a whole generation of sort of teenage girls. And I think you know, it was made by James Cameron, who I think at the time was like a fifty subthing year old man.

It's interesting that he tapped into the fifteen year old girl, like you know what I mean, Like I admired Titanic, sure, but it didn't hit me the way it hit so many women. I think of that age group, and it's it's so interesting that he found that within his work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wonder what that is. And I suppose we'll partly there'll be the romantic aspect of Glio and Kate thing,

and you were so invested in that, so invested. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure a big part of it is, and all the girls loved him, but still there's more to it than And also even the fact that it's quite you know, it's very funny you say, oh when we're being at school and being sad about the tragedy of the Titanic. But again it's like there were other tragedies.

The fact that that that really meant something to Yeah, I wonder if it's because I don't know, like the whole it's kind of it's it's a long it's stuck in one place. It's a long tragedy, and we know the outcome obviously, and you just I don't know, like it's just really just seeing everyone jumping off and it takes over so bloody low. It takes a so you we really like roots in it's not like they sink and that's the end, Like it's really drawn out. Is

that you're really invested by by the end of it. Yeah, amazing, And I still like, I remember I remember like open that opening sequence is amazing and then Kate Winsley like lifting up her head with that amazing hat on, and I don't think I remember it. I remember other films in the same way. It just felt so epic. I just don't think i'd seen anything so visually spectacular because at the time it was like the most expensive film ever sort of thing, wasn't it? And it was, Yeah,

it was yeah, blew my little mind. What's the film that you love? It's not critically acclaimed, most people don't like it, but you love it unconditionally and think everyone else is done. You know. I couldn't think of an overwhelming answer here, So I've gone for something that I saw recently, but I don't think is the best thing in the world. But I really I really enjoyed it. So I was on a plane and I thought, you know, we were gone, We're back from Australia. I haven't been

like on a plane. I can watch a film, or my kid is old enough to watch an iPad finally and watch a film. Excellent, amazing, I know. Oh dear Evan Hanson, I like this. I like the musical. I like the songs. I put that on, watched it, had a couple of gin tonics, thought well this is extraordinary. Oh I've enjoyed that. So much came off the plane, looked at the reviews. Everyone fucking hated it. Yeah, they hated it. And it was so funny because I had this such sort of any because I couldn't google it

while I was watching, I had this real info. I really came to a decision on my own. Doesn't like me. I couldn't be influenced by anything. And then it was really like jarring to go, oh did you not? Am I not meant to like that? I haven't. I haven't seen it, but I know the reception went good. I thought it was because Evan Hanson's really old or something. There was one bit where I was like, oh, he doesn't.

It doesn't a bit Ropey here, but it was a very emotional scene where he's really like crying, and I think, yeah, it was like the lighting to be a bit better that. But then I'm always like, look at Grease. Well you can't complain, look at Grease. Yeah yeah, I don't know what. Yeah, but yeah, it's funny, isn't it when you you like something everyone else. I don't know. It's just always so

fascinating how subjective things can be. Completely. That's what I'm always interested, because you know, film critics often see films together, like they'll go to press screenings and they'll all be in the room at the same time, and I can't believe that that doesn't influence each other, you know, even if they don't talk about it afterwards, Like even if they all look each have like oh boy on their way out, but you were thinking, oh I really enjoyed that.

Would that then affect your review? Would you make your review that's the best film ever? Or would you go, yeah, actually it's got some problems, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. How can they be subjective? Yeah? I think what is the film that you used to love? You loved very much? But you've watched it recently and you've thought, I don't like this film no more. I thought, recently, Oh, I know, I'll be nostalgic and I'll watch Splash. I

love Splash about a mermaid. I love I love mermaids. I would want to be like if I like. I always think, if there's a world, w could be a mythical creature, would be a mermaid. So I thought, yes, can I pause you for one second and ask you a side note because you've been bothering me. When you went to see Little Mermaid. You came out of the cinema and there was a woman dressed as areal. Did you have fins? I can't remember the feat. How was

she standing about? She was sitting? There was a seat right, but yeah, I can't remember what this. Yeah, I don't think she was actually half fish. I do believe they were. She was. She was an area once she's become human. So it was just a redhead. You just saw a redhead, a woman in a red wig. That's what I saw was, Yeah, a lady with redhair. Is Ariel just business what it is? Yeah? That's really little, really good. Sorry, go back. So Splash

you love Mermaids. You wish you were a mermaid, which I was my I thought I'd watched Flash and always remember, you know, just love it, loving it's a Tom Hank Daryl Hannah. Daryl Hannah has amazing hair, really long, beautiful, blonde and wavy. That has influenced my hair goals forever. I've always I always want to and I always say this, to grow my hair long enough to cover my boobs, like I'm a mermaid. That's my aim and great aim. And yeah, I watched it again and it was really

it's really shit. It was really shit. Yeah, well no, not really shit, but just not as magical as I thought. It was just a bit. Yeah, it just was. I think it's one of those ones I should have just not watched again. Although I do find the scene where she buys him them, but she buys him a fountain quite funny. I like that he says that he sees a fountain out on the bout and she likes it, and then she brings it and puts it in his living room. So yeah, it was a bit sad. That's sad.

I'm sorry that actually, Oh it's all right, right, you can be all right though, right, I think so, I think it will be okay, Okay, what is the film that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because the experience you had around seeing the film always makes it special to you.

Ellie Jane Taylor, it's the Hobbit films and the Lord of the Ring films as a collective, because I don't know why, but they seem to have become like the films of my relationship with my husband because whenever, yeah, when we were when we were first living together, there just was a time and they were always on on a Sunday afternoon, one of them was on somewhere, so we'd always end up watching them. And then I remember on our honeymoon, it was it was it was like

December and we are honeymoon. We just went to a little place in the south of France and December it wasn't warmer thing, we weren't some bathing. We would just sit inside a lot. So we watched and I remember we watched all of the Hobbit films and I just I don't know, I really, I really, it's funny because I have I'm really fond of them. They will always remind me of my husband. But it's like I'm fond of them, but also I have I couldn't tell you what film was what, and what happens when and what

the story is and how their links get. They are all just one blur. And every time my husbands like no, this is no, this is one of the Eagles, I'm like, oh, I can't remember. They were all just the sort of mesh of funny little men um But I really, but I really, I really enjoy them. I really enjoy them. It's the same sort of thing for like James Bond. I don't remember individual stuff. It's all just I couldn't tell you what film was what. They all just blur

into one. So, yeah, is your husband like hardcore and them? Is he? Does he love them? Or is it just these are the things that just happened to you? You know? He does like them, Like if they're on, he'll always watch it. And even if he's tired, like if it you know, he wants to go to bed, and he sees that so on, it's like he will stay up to watch it. Yeah. They are so long, they are so long. Oh, I'll just stay up another and a half. Yeah, there's a new TV series of that coming, isn't it soon?

So I'm looking looking forward to that. Is it keep your marriage going? Yeah? I mean the TV series I can only imagine is forty eight hours period. Yeah, gotta be gotta be because we didn't. We didn't get enough, did we? Did we? I do find it funny when I don't know when stories keep getting retold. I always think, like the superhero stuff, like oh, we get we've got it. Now we know about Spider Man, like, we don't need to rehash he's a man, be a spider but let's

let's leave that now We've done that one. I find incredible that we keep making the same Yeah, he's a man who can shoot out webs. Okay, keep banging after Hi, what is the film that you most relate to? I don't think I've ever sat and watched a film and thought I'm that character. I've never I just don't think I watched films that way because I'm too self obsessed. Again, I don't think I would pin myself on something on

like on a film like that. I suppose maybe it depends how to take the question, like its relatable in that I don't know funny. I suppose would be like Bridesmaids, that sort of thing. The humor I get, so I relate to the humor in that way. But I've never I don't think I've ever really gone that character? Is me? I am? That character? Is that weird? Or? Do? Lots of people? Some people struggle with this question. I can't

tell you. When you say you're self obsessed, I'd go, which would make me think you'd relate to more stuff because you'd watch stuff and go, that's about me. That's about me. That's about me, right right, that's none of these are about me, because unless you're going nothing, I can't relate to anything because I'm so unique. None of this speaks to me. It's probably true, isn't it. Yeah? Probably? Yeah?

I probably want my phone not quite playing attention? Um. I think increasingly now I have looking at your own tweets? Do you ever do that? I do look back at my old startle like about my old Instagram that was amazing. I'll go to my R five on my Instagram story like this well April twenty nine, twenty eighty or do good you do good Instagram? To be fair, I bet yours banging. Thanks thanks, dude, you're throwing away gold. So yeah, I don't think i've I've Yeah, it's that's an interesting question,

isn't it that one? Yeah, it can also be about like the atmosphere of a film, or it can be the place you know that some people will be like I grew up there, so that's the film, you know. I do find, like in all sorts of sort of fiction I consume in any way, in films and TV and books, I do prefer British stuff. I like it where it's ground did in something that I know, particularly

in books. Actually, I've realized I don't know when it's sort of an American character and in American city, I don't know, or you know, and I doesn't have to just be America anyway. I just I don't know. I just I like it when it's British and I get it. I get it, I get the scene more. I suppose. There you go. Thank you, Thank you for sharing. Let's get to the reason most people tune in for the show. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Ellie Jane Taylor,

I was obvious. Yeah, yeah, hand on the window or painting. Oh oh no, not the painting. Well that bit as well, but the car, Oh my god. I just remember seeing that scene in the cinema. I think i'd got because the film is so long, I'd gone to the loup, I'd come back, and I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't

get back into the seats where my friends were. So I ended up like sitting by myself at the end of an aisle, and I remember being so glad that I was by myself when the sexy scene came on, because I was like, I think I'm having an awakening because it was like the most sexy, like there were like firefrackers down below. I was so thrilled by it. Yeah, it was honestly the most sexy thing I'd ever seen, especially probably in a cinema as well, you know, on

a big screen like that. So yeah, again, very formative, the tragedy and the the horniness. Yeah, there's a lot going on for a teenage Yeah yeah, yeah, big time high stakes and a bit of someone painting you. People want that, don't they do? Well, No, not really, I'd rather just the man said to you, if your husband said to you, I've done an art class for our anniversary and I'd love to, and the Hobbits not on, and neither of a lot of the rings I checked.

Can I paint you? But now what I'm thinking is if he did, you just imagine I'd be there for like an hour. Would have done a big cock and balls? I mean no, I definitely don't. I would. He could do a portrait, but I don't want to get my tits out. Thanks, I don't think. No, I don't want to have painted. What if he's like, you don't have to be there? I remember, I remember what you did like naked. I'm just going to paint a nude of you for our anniversary and put it on the wall.

Would you be flattered? Would you be like that's so romantic? Or would you be like, don't do that? I think i'd be the latter. I think I'd say, if you want to put some another wall, let's go Yeah, yes, exactly, go to Okay, what is it? Oh, there's a subcategory of course traveling bone is worrying? Why donce? What film did you find a rousing that you weren't sure that you should? I remember as a little child watching Labyrinth and finding it really scary, but also I found David

Bow really like I think I found answered him. But I didn't know if he was a man or a lady. I didn't know what he was. I didn't really know what the film about, but I definitely thought he was very captivating. I remember find that was all a bit confusing. I didn't know what was going on there, and Jent Telly, that's a perfect answer to that question, and I'm going to get ten points for that. Well, thanks very much. What can I get? What do I get for the points?

I think you get the motivation to want more points as you go along, and if you maybe noticed that you haven't had any points at this point. But that was an absolutely perfect answer, rare for that question. Okay, good, It makes up for some of the other ship answers. No, not so. What you get for a point if you if you make it too over a thousand points, you get an extra bowl of start? What? Yeah? What motivated? What is objectively the greatest film of all time? Is

it Doctor? No? Is it gold Figure? Tell us? I don't know which one they are. I would say racist film war Time, which also I would put with the next category of one I would watch over and over and over. If I could bundle those two together would be I think room with a View. Wow, Okay, okay, because thank you. It's a film I would watch with my family when we were younger. I don't know why, and I don't know why I loved it so much as a kid, because it's a quite sort of a

grown up story. Really. It's a romance story setting like the nineteen twenties ten nine twenties, and it's got Helen Bona Cassa as this sort of lucy honey Church Helen and Bonacsta, which was like fresh out she was like nineteen or something, absolutely beautiful, and it's just such a gorgeous story, and I just loved it, and I think it's so charming felt I felt completely in love with Rupert Graves, who plays Freddie Lus's brother, who's just so

sort of fish and funny, and it's all so delightful and homely and romantic. And then there's the scene in it where the men in the men in the group will go swimming in the nude, skinny dipping, and that was again an eye opener because it was all like, you know, properly just men running around without any clothes on, so you know suddenly I was just like me as a nine year old sink the Simon Callow's Willie. That was always like what And it was such a silly scene.

I remember it was like I found it. I didn't find it sexy. I just found it, like, wow, this is wild. And I've always thought that was really funny. And I saw it again recently, that scene, and it's just so it is really funny. It's really funny, and I love it's beautiful. The cast is incredible. You've got Judy Dench, Maggie Smith. And it's also I read the book and it's the Enforce book run review of the same name, obviously, and it was it's so true to

the book. It's wonderful and I just love it and I think, yeah, it's just such a beautiful, gorgeous film. I'm going to give you that point. Um, you get eight point nine points for that, Okay, siloa, okay, good, no, but good. I mean you're getting points and that's the main thing. You lost at some points for combining it with the next question. Sorry, but you were honest, So you also gained some points because you know, we respect that on this show, which gave you an average. You

haveage dad at eight point name? What is the film? Oh? Here we go. Listen. I don't like being negative. I don't know about you. How do you feel about being negative the majority of my time? Then take your time with this one. What's the worst thing we've ever seen? Batman? That's a sick man. M hard disagree, but go on, are you fucking kidding me? I've got listen. I've talked about this on the podcast before. I think Batman, vest Zipman,

Daughing a justice. And by the way, I'm not like a I love all of those films, guy, don't get me wrong, but I think that that film in particular is a German expressionistic art cinema film, and that it's that. What it looks like is they had the film ready in the edit, and just before they pressed print, they pressed shuffle and then because no scene makes logical sense from the last scene, and for that reason alone, I'm like, this is fascinating. I was never bored. I was constantly like,

what is going on? This is brilliant. Oh, I found it. So this was before we had kids and we were we would go we would actually go to cinema. I can't remember the last time I went to cinema it's been years. We would and we would take it in terms to take a film to go and say this was clearly my husband's choice, and it was. All I remember is it was like hours of just two men in like the shadows, growling at each other, and that it was so boring, and I fell asleep, like I was.

I made a conscious decision of well, this is not worth my consciousness. I'm going to sleep, and I checked out because it was so shit. And I don't I don't mind. I don't. I suppose Actually I don't really like sort of superheroes. I don't like. Is that that's DC stuff, isn't it. I don't really like DC stuff. It's all much darker. I really like the Marvel stuff. I love all of that stuff, Avengers and whatnot. That's really good fun and I do really I really like

those films. But yeah, the other side, I'll tell you what. He's fun though, when you sort of mix up the world and safe to your husband and be like like an Avengers if I'm like, oh, he's wonder woman in this one, and then he gets all cross when I get it wrong. But I also know that he uses it like it will be something like Batman versus Superman comes on the Kelly, you know, just on my normal TV.

And he's like, he puts that on and it's like he's going to me, it's time, seems to go to bed because he knows that will come on, and I'm like, I'm out the directors guy, yep, see you later. So he definitely does. But don't you again. I have talked

about this. I'm sorry if you've heard me talk about this before, listener, but the reveal in Batman and Superman, the way they make friends is I mean, people made a decision, you know, high executives made a decision that the twist of the film would be their mums have the same first name and that bonds them. That's fascinating that I was asleep. I don't remember that bit. Is that. What happens is he's about to kill one of them, is about to kill one of them, and he says Martha.

I can't remember why he says Martha, and the other one goes, why are you saying Martha? And he goes, that's my mum's name. And he goes, that's my mom's name. And then they shake hands or something. I mean, that's what stops them fighting is Oh, my mum's the same name as your mom. I guess we can be friends. It's three hours long and that's the resolution. It's fascinating. How did that happen? That is mad? But no what I mean. And again, in respect to the film, I

didn't predict that. At no point was I thinking, well, this elm with their mum's having the same name, and they'll make up because of it. So for that reason I say it's a great film. I was constantly on my toes. Okay, I was never bored. At no point did they go, oh, yeah, yeah, it's all gonna like this. They're gonna no, they're gonna find out their mums have the same name. Well there you go. I need to watch it again to to witness that. That majesty, my

fa what that's my mum's name? Me too? Friends? It's wild? What is what is? You're in comedy? You're a comedian, you're a touring comedian, you're a TV comedian, you're an award winning comedian. What's the film that made you? Ellie Jane Taylor laughter? Most so, it's a loud hand cut side. I think the film made me laugh the most. And I've already mentioned it, so I've blowed my load a little bit. Bridesmaids and I'm sure lads people say that. Sorry, Okay,

it's a really good film. It's a really good film, and it's really funny and it always makes me laugh, always makes me laugh in like, it's just so m it's just so, it's so good. And the yeah, they just the cringiness of it. Yeah, and the shitting in bridesmaid's dresses. I'm into it. It's just brilliant. It's pretty flawless. Can I ask you? Wait? When I I was looking over your stuff just to make sure I remembered everything, and I don't think I saw it, but I didn't,

so I don't didn't know. You were on Show Me the Funny. Can we talk about that? Well? Yeah, that the first thing you did. Yeah, so Show Me the Funny was about made eleven twelve years ago. That was a show on ITV that was sort of like the X Fact of a comm d and Jason Mumford hosted it and they were like ten comedians. Each week you did a gig and it was like a knockout thing. Awful ratings. No one watched it apart from my mom basically,

but yeah, but it was just a gig. It wasn't like there was no no challenge as in no, but it was like it was all. It was so weirdly go out into Liverpool and learn about the people and do a organize a hendu for someone or something. That's what we're doing. And then from that you'd write material and do it and then next week, oh, you're hanging out at Catterick Army Barracks and then you'll be performing to the soldiers. All sort of. That was very odd.

And then before each show you wouldn't weren't allowed to go and see the room like a first you'd go on stage and that'd be the first time you would see where you were and it was five minutes new material, it was mental and how new were you? How new were you to stand up? Oh? Super new, like probably a year, never been paid for a gig, like ridiculous. But because I was so new to it all, I didn't quite realize how list the premise was and everyone,

well not everyone. I assume people were using material that they had because of course you would because you were on Telly, whereas I literally had not material so each week I was the only one genuinely Yeah, well, I don't know, I was. I was so naive. I was so naive. But I did all right, and I yeah, I've got to that semifinals and then got chucked out. But yeah, that was I had to quit my job. I had to quit my job to do that before I'd even to be at stand up when I've never

been paid for a gig. It's mad, that's yeah. But it worked out all right so far. So Yeah, thankfully you've been to the semi finals. It's extraordinary. And you had you had never done it. I mean that sounds mental congratulations than what was the What was the job you quit to do it? Marketing? Marketing and events and PR and stuff. Yeah, well I think you chose the right path. Thanks, Ellie, tell you you have been wonderful

as expected. However, when you were swimming in the beaches in the northern Beaches of Sydney, can't be more specific than that. Let's just say the beaches in the north of Sydney. Perhaps they're called the Northern Beaches, are they? Forgive my ignorance, I thought that sounded general. You know, the Northern Beaches, but that is what they're called, you know which on the northern one, they're up the Northern Beaches.

You were swimming in the Northern Beaches and having a nice time swimming about, and quite suddenly up ahead of you, head on like a Damien Hurst living artwork in formade, hide but alive was a shark and he went, oh. But before you could finish your centers, shark hop in its mouth, chopped your head off at the neck, blood everywhere chatted out your body. You was dead instantly. I'm

wondering about looking. I want to see these Northern Beaches I've heard so much about, they said, they said, But I've got a coffin with me, you know what I'm like. And I see your your family and I'm like, hey, it's again. Is Ellie about And I go, no, I think she's swimming She's swimming out. And then Northern Beats is and I go, oh, I hang on a minute. I see I'm like, blood in not blood in the in the area, but there's no evidence of Eli and I'm like fucking So I then follow around, I see

this shark and I'm like, oh shit. So I use your coffin as a as a canoe, and I row out and I basically follow this shark around for the next thirty five years until it dies of natural causes. And when the shark dies, I cut it open and I find inside your carcass that had been preserved because Damien Hurst, turns out was right, sharks eat all the time, and you were perfectly preserved inside. But yeah, you'd been chewed up in. I mean, it wasn't pretty. You'd been

chewed up into lads of pieces. But I found you and put all of you. But there were bits of blubberd you know, other stuff from within the shark. I put it all in the coffin, everything I could, But the coffin was absolutely rammed. Rammed fool. There's barely any room in it. There's only enough that I could fit one DVD into the side with you for you to take across to the other side. And on the other side, it's movie night every night, and one night it's your

movie night. What film are you taking to show the people of heaven when it is your turn? Ellie Jane Taylor, do I have to pick one of the ones I've already picked? No, even better, because I was just thinking about watching stuff with my little girl. Maybe maybe i'd pick Yeah, maybe I'd pick a toy story because it's really sweet and would remind me of her. Oh, it's that's nice. I think number two that's her favorite one, the Jessie one. What towatch the Jessie one on me? Ah,

that's a very lovely answer. The people of having are very excited to have you there and to eat. You're with you, Ellie Jane Taylor. You've been wonderful. Is there anything you would like to tell people to listen, to look out for or read? Oh? Yes, read my book. That's good. Yeah, read that book for God's sakes. Yeah, paperbacks coming out, so knocking around already, my child, mal the mistakes. Get that in your eyes or ears. It's not audible. It's nice to listen to he Actually I

prefer it. How long did it take you to record that day? Was it maddening or was it fun? I didn't mind it. The only issue was when the sound recordist guy was this young, sort of twenty year old lad, lovely guy, but he would have to correct my pronunciations of things, and there was at one point he had to say sort of buzzed and went Ellie's pronounced labi and I was like, oh my god, you literally man

explaining genitals. But he was quite literally his job that it was just very as a strange moment, how you proced it? But he says it's LaBier. I mean, I'm not I'm not going to weigh in on this, but obviously he was right, Lady Aaron predendums. They knew that they were going to come up on the show you today what It's been a big day for labor impredendums And just when you think, just when you think you've

had your film up popped another one any day. Tell you thank you so much for doing this and for your time. I hope you have a lovely death and I will see you soon, yeah, in a bit. So that was episode one hundred and eighty six. Head over to patron dot com Forward slash Back Goals team for the extra fifty minutes of chat, secrets and videos with Ellie. Go to Apple Podcasts give us a five star rating. Right about the film that means the most to you

and why that's all I want to read. Don't care about your thoughts on the show at this point, I'm very grateful you listened. We're doting to go into the details. Let's talk about the films. Thank you so much to Ellie for giving me her time. Thanks to Scrupius Pep in the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it. Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics, please Alladin for the photography. Now come join me next week for one of the

biggest guests I've ever had. I have got next week, Mark Frost, the co creator of Twin Peaks. If you've never seen Twin Peaks or Twin Peaks the Return, make sure you watch everything you can watch Twin Peaks before next week. I promise you it will be worth your time. It's a very very special episode. Thank you all for listening. That is it for now. Have a lovely week, and in the meantime, now more than ever, be excellent to each other and acts of Crust