Daniel Rigby • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #182

guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, Jamila Jamil and even Clyd Plambules. But this week it's the brilliant writer, actor and comedian mister Daniel Rigby. Announcement. I'll be doing a huge live Films to be Buried with a huge live, huge lie Films to be Buried

With at Southbank Center on Saturday twelfth of February. Come along, bring a date, two days before Valentine's What could be sexier? A live films to be buried with him. We'll all be there. We can even do a queanay at the end. Tickets are going fast and are available at Southbank Center dot co dot uk and Plosive dot co dot UK. Head over to the Patreon at Patreon dot com. Forward Slasbret Goldstein, You get an extra twenty minutes at chat with Daniel. We go deep talk about beginnings and endings.

You get a very impressive secret and the whole episode unca AD free as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slasbret Goldstein also enjoyed Ted Last Save Seasons one and two on Apple TV Plus and Super Bob and Soulmates on Amazon Prime. So Daniel Rigby. Daniel Rigby is a Bathter winning actor, writer and stand up who has written and performed a new book for Audible, which is available now. We recorded this the other day on Zoom. Was so great to see him. Hadn't seen

him in a while. We started out in comedy together. It's fucking brilliant. I think you're really gonna love this one. Is it for now? I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and eighty two of Films to be buried with. Oh, one thing to note maybe needs to be added in, which is the sound may not be the best it's ever been. On this episode we had some problems with the mics. Buddy piece genius producer has done everything you can to fix it. Hopefully it'll be fine.

It is not fine. Contents really good. Please do your best to cope with it. Thanks for understanding, all right, lots of love. Okay, bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by a writer, a comedian, a sketch comedian, a stand up comedian, an award winner, a bath To winner, a actor, a stage actor, a one million off, the two Governors, Helen Turing, a man who's done all the parts you can imagine,

name and play. You think of your favorite part in it? Yeah? That was him. Please mother to the show. He's in everything you love. He's a man I love. He's a man Your love. Wonderful. It's the amazing. Is this a Daniel Wigbey? Wow? What do you want from me? Wow? We thank you? Mate? Hello, Daniel? How are you? I'm good? I'm good, how are you. I'm good, slowly to see you. I'm for the listener. I've known Daniel Wigby oh a long time now, A long long time, fourteen years, started

asking every one a circuit. You won the Love of Horse New act Comedian of the Year, I believe, Yeah, two thousand and seven. Never looked back, Never look back, jumbles every week since. Yeah, man, he's my first question for you. You're a brilliant stand up and you never do it. I thought, well, that's probably one of the things that bugs me the most about my entire life, which probably says something about the extraordinary privilege I live in. But it's yeah, because I did love doing it. But

I I think it's just fear. I was always a really nervous performer, and it always meant because it feels like the whole, the whole acting career has been a byproduct of a love of comedy and wanting to be a comedian, which was all I ever wanted to do

when I was a kid. I was obsessed with it, and being a stand up was everything I ever wanted, And the fact that it is and still feels central and core to my being I think is part of the recent perversely why I've never done it recently because it just feels so important, you know, when something feels so it gives me such fear thinking about, you know. And when I was doing it, most of the time it would go cracking. And I really enjoyed it and loved doing the shows when I was in the swing

of it, but I would get insanely nervous. And I think when whenever I have an I'm also I think a lazy person, and I think, whenever I've had half an excuse not to do something, I'll just take it. So I've just not you know, and acting. I was doing a lot of gigs when I was rehearsing for one Man two Governors, and then that went on for like eighteen months, so there was always an excuse to not do a gig. Got out the swing of it, and then the fear and the idea of it just

grew and grew until now it's this. It's a real Yeah, it's it is something. It's real neurosis. It keeps me up at night. Actually, well, I'm glad, I'm glad I brought that up. First thing is to settle straight out the blocks with Yeah, the horror what's your fucking deepest fit. No, but it's interesting because I get nervous for every gig. It doesn't it hasn't changed. I don't think it's got maybe a bit less, but I also have started to go, oh, this is part of it, like this is just this

is this is adrenaline. Is what you need to do the gig like you just have to absolutely be weird if you weren't. No, it's doing it. Yeah. Does it feel the same then it feels the same level now as it always has. No, that is a lay. It used to be all day before a gig to fear would start, whereas now I guess it's often it's shorter and shorter. It might be five minutes before, for an

hour before. I used to get a very intense physical feeling that I was going to run away before a gig, like physical I would get itchy feet and think think of my exit roots and how a physical escape was possible from from the situation. Did you ever do it? Did you ever run out? No? I had. There was one gig where just before I went on stage, I rang my girlfriend at the time and she had to just talk me down from you know, saying you've made

a commitment, You've promised to do half an hour. You really yeah to do You have to do your gigs. They're going to pay you. You've got to do this. That was the worst. It was when you were when you were doing Edinburgh Festival, where it's like, you know, I share everything le night. Did it get any easier over that month? Yeah? It did. And I think there's something about I feel like most most things are more scary in the abstract than they are in the doing

of them. I feel the same way about writing, and like the idea of writing a book or a screenplays is this thing that you can You can let fear stop you from doing those things. It can really block you, but actually doing the thing is always less painful than you imagine it to be. And even dying on stage, which you know happened a couple of times, it was kind of strangely liberating. It always felt a bit like, well, I'm not actually physically dying. There's no there's no blood.

It's a sort of psychological death. Sure, it's like living in a worst nightmare, okay, but it's physically dying, and there's a weird freedom in it where I remember one where I was doing a gig for some bankers, and like it was. It was one of those gigs Weepter's food, which is always a bit deathly where everyone's eating everyone's working in finance, and it was in sitting and I just started clambering over. I think there was like a grand piano and then like just this big staircase with

a big wooden banister thing. I just started climbing up the walls almost to the ceiling. It was going so badly. Even that wasn't getting any response. It was just a man watching a man clambering around. And I thought that I had had a great time. That's great, great, it's dying. If you've got a friend there, I think you can make them laugh at the back of the room, like fucking this is bad. Did a serious question, I know, with all due respect to love, it was it's not,

you know, the biggest award in the world. But I have a theory on awards. You did win an award for comedy in that your first year, right, first second year of comedy, and I actually think that that puts the pressure on a comedian that isn't great. It puts pressure on an audience as well, because I think if you're introduced on stages this is the best new act, winner of the best New act, that the audience watches you differently, that the audience goes, oh, well, this better

be fucking great. And also if they don't like you, if you're not to their their cavity, that they're going, how is this the best new act? Do you know what I mean? Like it changes the dynamic in a way that isn't helpful. Did that happen to you? Yeah, I think it did happen slightly. One of the things that happened was that you get bumped up in terms of where you are on the bill. And then I pumped up maybe before I was ready. So Laughing Horse were then who booked loads of gigs around London, which

were really convenient. Then I was then headlining gigs within like a year of you know, I only started doing stand up the year before, or I was doing stuff way before I was ready. Basically I didn't know about, you know, how important it was to do all your time on stage stuff like that. I didn't know I was. I'd sort of got this set that I was happy with and clung onto it for dear life and didn't write new material for ages, just thinking well, this is

you know, this is fine. That that stuff that you kind of learn. I do wish someone had told me a bit more about that, but yeah, there was a there was an element of a little bit of an element of running before you could walk. I remember your set right well, Sainsbury's taste is suffering and music concretes into That's a good memory, mate, that is a good memory.

I think every time I get on the team. What about when you when you were saying, you know, you get stuck with the ride thing that that gives you the fear, and then when you do it, it's not Do you have a trick that you do too? If you're in that state, we're like, I'm never going to do this. What gets you to do it? I don't really have a trick. I don't have a trick. Give

it's a trick. I've got a trick. I mean I've got I just know I've literally spent I just I'm just thinking of writing the audiobook for Audible, which I did last year, redrafted and finished last year. That was in the first lockdown, and there was no trick. There was just literally like just sometimes just strapping in and staring into the abyss. Yeah, not being able to do it and just staring into the vortex. Well can you apply that to instead. Yeah, the trick is always just

doing it. I mean that, it's not a trick, it's just starting. It is always for me anyway, things start to happen if you just do it, or I've at least found that on the whole, So it's not getting trying not to get too caught up in the head and just doing it. I did a gig, like a random stand up gig with Ashland b in La. Actually that was last time about like four years ago, No, five years ago, Oh god, no, it's COVID as well.

You've got count COVID, haven't you as years so about six years, six or seven years ago, And that was the last time I did stand up And it was this weird gig that was like it was builders like British and Irish Night. That was like one half of the show and then the other half. It was at UCB on Sunset Boulevard. Was there. I think I didn't mind days gigs I did mine have had Brits in Na gigs maybe not. I don't think you were there. I'd remembered if you were there. I think this was

must Spin Another night, was it? Because the other half of it was an improvised music about a Sizzlers restaurant. I know, I definitely wasn't there, which was which was like it was scissors restaurant mixed with Lamy's arrabla that was like the improv exercise and I think it was called Laser's Larbora. That might be just me making that up.

And it went really well and I thought, oh great, I'll just do this again, and then got back to the UK and I was like, oh, but I've got to do this thing, and all the usual bullocks, but yeah, I should do it. I should do it. Thanks, I'll do it. Okay, good. Now you've written a book. You've written an audible book. Yeah. I don't know whether you can call it a book. It's weird, I sort of. I think I've technically just written a load of noise audible thing. What is it and why? Explain yourself? Well,

it is a book. It's written as a book, and then I've narrated it on Audible, but it's only available exclusively on Audible as part of audible plas. How did it come about? It was a commission that came out of They put the They'd asked people for submissions which which met a certain amount of criteria, and I've had this idea knocking about that just happened to meet most of them, which is a sci fi comedy, misanthropic detective,

kind of a blade runner like piss Take. Really, I'd also trying to be trying to trying to be its own thing, and it just met It just met a bunch of things that they were They were looking for cross genre stuff and stuff that could be a series, and they were looking for comedy, and so it just sort of met a bunch of that criteria. So that's how it came about. Brilliant and you and You and you recorded it all, done it all, all sang the music.

M Yeah, it's just me singing in the background throughout the whole thing, which they were very resistant to at first, but I won them round in the end. No, it's great. It's great. The production. The people that actually did the production of it, they've done a real whistles and bells job on the it's it's not quite a radio play.

They've called it an enhanced audio book, but they've added like because there's lots of robots and aliens and mutants and there's lots of stupid shit in it, and they've just done voices and voice effects and sound effects and it's a real, like great soundscape. So it's exciting. What's it called, Isaac Steel and the Forever Many Daniel m h shit, I've forgotten to tell you something. I just I just looked at my notes and I'd like, fucking no, I can't believe I didn't tell you that i'd made

a note before. We loved it and I was like, definitely tell him this first, because you'll need to press it. But I didn't because we've got distracted by Stanna and I was excited to see you, et cetera. But yeah, I'll just read you what it says here. You've died. I knew. I felt weird, relieved, I felt relieved like you. I felt relieved many, I finally felt at peace. That's how did you die? Well? This is what I think

has happened. It's all a bit fuzzy. Earlier this year, I moved in with a terrific person called myself, and it's the first time I've lived on my hope. And I first morning I was here, you know, new place, on my own, feeling quiet, pleasing myself, bleary eyed in socks and pajamas. You don't need to know everything that was weary. But I slipped on. There's like three steps down to my bathroom, and I slipped on the first step.

It's the first morning I'm here. And you know, when you just you look, you lose your body weight isn't your own anymore, it's you. And I hadn't fallen over like that since I was a kid, and I thought in the half a second it took for me to hit the floor, I grabbed the banister that was by the airs. It ripped out of the wall, and this really happened, by the way, this isn't how I died. This really happened, and it sort of exploded part of

the wall. So I was laid there in a few seconds, like in a lot of pain on my own, first night in a new flat. I've destroyed a wall. I'm holding the banister, I'm covered in plaster dust, and I thought, maybe I'm not ready to live on my own. So what I think can happened to me is I'm cooking a lot of edged chili at the moment, It's gonna be some weird domestic accident where they don't find me for days and I'm going to fall awkwardly in my kitchen and suffocate on a on a pan of chili.

Oh my god, Yeah, weird like Darwin Award kitchen and no one comes looking at you because you just did that tweek going finally living alone, feel really great about it, so everyone doesn't just because he's happy ages they're just giving me my space. And again he smells the smell for him kiss delicious. He's cooking, that's right. He disguises the smell all that ground cumin disguises the smell of the lot in flesh. O god, how long is it until someone comes looking? Do you think? Well? This is

the question? Yeah, week, a month, I mean, I hope, not a year. I hope not a year. I hope my lack of like WhatsApp voice memos like at least give someone an idea that there's something amiss. But a week, yeah, maybe a week's scary And it's scary. Oh, it's scary stuff and it happens every day. He dried hisself chillier and every day. Yeah, are you scared of death? Do you worry about it? Yeah? I do? Actually, yeah, I worry about it a lot. I think I worried about

it a lot more. I used to worry about it a lot more. And I had to talk to therapists about it. Who recommended this book that I never read, which maybe I should. It was called The Meaning of Life, a collection of writings of philosophers and people, and it was all it was all kinds of different ideas of that people have had over the years about what life means and why you shouldn't feel that bad about dying,

And and I don't think it's what I wanted. I just wanted one clear sentence rather than lots of ideas and lots of words, just one sentence, Yeah, well don't worry please, And whoever that, who had whichever philosopher said that? But yeah, And I feel like sometimes when I'm my most existential, I can almost get my head around the concept of not being around, of not existing, that there's some sort of like my brain has hands that I can almost get my head around the idea of it.

But and that gives me almost to kind of. I mean, this is I mean, yeah, it does get me panicky sometimes, so I guess I do have a problem with it. But it's fine, isn't it. Yeah, but you said, you said you used to worry about it more. Do you think something changed to what changed? I don't know. I think maybe the therapist that had at the time helped with it, and I just had ones that I had one that would I had one last year that I was because I was trying to find a new one

who had COVID. We were doing it all on zoom, and you had COVID for the whole Like for Ages didn't stop seeing patients. He was really really ill. I mean, that wasn't why I stopped seeing him as a therapist. He would he would say things like it sounds to me very much like the tears of a clown. No, well, don't talk to that smokey Robinson and the miracles. They think that one therapist compared me to Norman Bates. I shouldn't be saying this, maybe, but I don't know. Please

tell me a bit more about the Norman Bates comparison. Well, she just said that, Oh you know what your story reminds me of it's such an overshare. But she said, yeah, Norman Bates is wild one of the most troubled protagonists in all of cinema. Sorry, just to be clear, you mean the title of the film that the characters in his Psycho and you are my therapist. You are saying

I remind you of Psycho exactly. Wow. Yeah, I shouldn't been wearing the wig and dress and all that, and you would just get but I wouldn't heard a fly but death, But death does trouble. It calms me down. Looking at pictures you know those Hubble space telescope pictures. Yeah, I look at those on Instagram. That calms me down. Actually, yeah, like it really nothing matters. It's all fine, will die, It's not just a trick that's been pulled on me.

Do you think anything happens after you day? I'm gonna say no, just based on you know, evidence. But well, I guess what I mean by that is the argument that we've already been dead for ages, so we sort of know what that's like. But yeah, there's definitely an argument saying we don't know, and there's a lot of

weird shit about so who knows. Maybe you know at the end, you do, and you know, you hope that there's a kind of return to the universe, element to death, that there is some sort of consciousness, but I doubt it. Um oh you got me. I'm wrong. There's a heaven. Oh shit, you my dead face. They were all watching this video as you were arriving at it, like, fuck it out, this guy. Anyway you turn up at heaven, they're delighted to see you. Um. God's a big fan of yours. To add up and he's like, you do

a gig, come in the same stuff? Is this heaven? Apping anxiety? It's filled with your favorite thing? What's your favorite think? Crisps. It's filled with chris It's made of crisps. The walls are made of Chrisp. The chairs made a Chrisp. It's not as uncomfortable as you'd think. The seats are like giant pringles invertencies. Sit and you've got your arms on the on the giant pringles. Do my arms get sort of salty? Yes, but you're licking them all right,

You lick them. It's your favorite thing. And the beds are made of crisps. And didn't breakfast, lunch, and dinner is crisps. I feel like Heaven's misunderstood what I like about crisp, because I don't like I don't like rubbing crisps all over my body. What I like is well, when you filled in the form, you probably should have specified because it's mostly the showers are made of Chris, and Chris come out of the shower. Oh okay, But in this heaven made of crisp that you m asked thought.

They are obsessed with film. We want to know about your life through the medium of film. And the first thing they ask you is, what's the first film you're remember seeing? Daniel Ridley Pinocchio, which we saw at the cinema. I mean, my memory is so hazy of my entire life, not just my childhood. So this is really clutching at straws. But my brother confirmed that it was Pinocchio, which must that was made in like the forties, wasn't it, So it must yeah, so yeah, and yeah. I just remember

sitting in a chair doing that sort of lolling. I was definitely sleeping for most of it, because I was doing that lolling like back of the car child sleep where your head down and jerks up. I remember that in Maltese is but you know it's Pinocchio. Where were you? Where? Where was happening? It would have been in Stockport. It would have been a cinema in Stockport, which I think was called the Davenport Cinema, which was down in the center of town. Is it just you and your brother?

I've got two younger brothers. You're the eldest. I'm the oldest. Yeah, chief age ages age gaps. Oh that's good. I am thirty nine. My brothers thirty. He's thirty seven, and the one below that is eighty seven, so he's thirty five. Right, So it's a quite consistent situation going on there. What from the parents point of year in the early eighties, Yeah, there's a consistent there's a consistency. So when we're doing this regular factory line. Yeah, children in the early age,

this one can sit get on top. Yeah, yeah, exactly did they do? You look after your brothers? Say? Look up to you? Yeah, I look up. I look up to my brother's bloody love them. I mean it's three boys as well. So when we were growing up, we would eat the living shit out of each other. I mean we fought so much that my dad at one point cleared furniture in the living room to make a kind of ring for us to fight it, so that

we would Yeah, so we could just thrash out. And of course we're like, we know, we don't, we don't want to fight now, but yeah, we absolutely. Yeah. I feel bad for it now because I think I was a bat as the eldest. I was a real bastard to you know, to them both, So you know, sorry about that if you're listening. But but we were. Now we're sort of all best buddies. That's very nice. Went to the to the Superneggio. Did you remember thinking, oh, wow, I want to do this. I want to be a

wooden boy. I don't remember thinking I want to be a wooden boy. I remember thinking about mare teasers mainly. Okay, what is the film that made you cry the most? Do you do you? Are you a cryer? Yeah? In front of people? Yeah, I don't mind it. I don't mind just sobbing in front of other human beings. I quite like it. No, I don't like it, but I'm fair a fairly easy crier. I mean the film that I remember ripping my heart out and putting it in its mouth and smushing it down and shifting it out.

Was Grave of the Fireflies shirt Studio Ghibli Ghibli. Yeah, absolutely, that film is. I don't know whether films that sad should exist, but it's a beautiful film. I mean, but it's just so unbelievably sad. And the color purple as well. I remember that when I was my mom had got on VHS. I remember that being an early cry, early film cry. It was actually probably shouldn't been watching it, but yeah. Most recently I saw a documentary about called

The Rescue, which is about those you've seen it. No, it's funny the for listeners who liked Ted Lasso The Writer's Room Ted Lasso. Bill Lawrence is so obsessed with The Rescue, and he was trying to make everyone watching it. No one watched it, and then one by one and our sort of group thread every day one a day. I just want to rescue. I can't believe it. Bill is right and feels like this is the greatest day

in my life. Yeah, Bill's right. Bill's right. It's an amazing story and just had me in bits because there's a lot of shit about isn't that Like we're wading through so much shit, and then you see this story which is about hundreds of people from all over the world getting together to save twelve boys who they've never met and they don't know and it's just like human beings that they're absolute best. And there was something about that that just, yeah, destroyed me. What's the film that's

scared than? Do you like being scared? I think, I think occasionally I do like being scared. Yeah, But I don't know whether my feelings on it are evolving because I don't know. Recently, I watched The Texas Chainsaw Mask for the first time, which I've never seen, and I just thought, why why the end of it? I just why does it exist? I don't understand. I didn't understand why it existed because those horror films were quite often

in horrors, the genre where there's no redemption. Everyone's either dead or mad at the end and covered in blood and screaming, and you think, what, how's this taken me out of my life? Made me feel better? I hear you, I hear you, and I think, yeah, Sexist Manager is particularly like, it's horrible. This is just a really horrible, unpleasant time. But I think there are lots of horror films. It depends on the type of thing it is. I

agree with you. I don't like the really Blinked just fucking isn't everyone everything horrible type film, But like the Conjuring, Yeah, yeah, I don't mind the Country. Yeah, stuff like the Human Centipede or Saw or Hostile or those ones that are just like people obviously having the darkest parts of their shadow minds tickled, and you think, well, you know, fair enough, but absolutely maybe not for me. But I remember the film that scared me the most was we didn't really

have and I've you know, listened to the podcast. I know that this is a bit of a theme, but we didn't really have restrictions on what we could watch as far as I can remember, And we watched Amateurville Horror Part two, which was a film where a man becomes possessed and murders his entire family over the course of two hours, and we were terrified. And around the same time we watched Child's Play as well. YEA, my

brother just below so middle child. He had loads of stuffed toysed and it was a real source of psychological torture, pretending to him that they've come alive after we'd seen it. Who has to pay You in the ring Dad's made? Yeah? Yeah, those those were the big I'm out of the horror part too. Gosh, yeah, I still remember, still remember that. It was also around the time we saw ghost Watch. Did you see that on too days? If you saw guys watch, you will never forget it. Yeah, never forget it.

Didn't didn't The people might top themselves after watching I saw that. Maybe that's apocryphal, but but I think that might be part of the less people and did their lives. Yeah, And it was also my mum really believed believes in ghosts, so she would talk about them all the time, scather shit out of all of us. She's seen guys, she

said she had, Yeah, please tell me. Well, well, I think she'd said that she'd seen her mum, my nanna, And she said that my youngest brother had seen our granddad just before he died, which isn't a ghost, is it. That's just coming round? So Granddad today, booky, he seemed after you. That's amazing. And she always used to say, which I don't know where it comes from. I don't know whether you've ever heard this, but her way of

saying good night was quite spooky. She would always say good night, God, bless seeing the morning with God's help, which as a kid, you're thinking, why do I need the intervention of the almighty? Yeah see me tomorrow, my goodness, which is quite a spooky way to say good night. Yeah, kids, and I see you in the morning. If it should be if the creator of the universe sides that you can get up. But it's out of my hands now it's with him or her. Wow, what's the film that

you love? It's not critically exclaimed, most people don't even like it, but you love it unconditionally. This is one from the childhood, and it's Batman Forever. That is a really, really good answer. It's a really good answer. I loved Batman Forever, and I know it's not good. I see what they're trying to do with it. It was going for real, you know, comic strip type feel. But but at the time I was obsessed with Batman, was obsessed with with Jim Carey. So it tooks a load of boxes.

So it was a favorite film of mine for ages because also it was the time it was, It was the time of life when I was coming out of every film at the cinema and going last, my favorite film just sort the Cable Guy. That's my favorite film too, the thing with Batman Forever. It's quite that that thing

that happened sometimes in films where it's so manning. Everyone's performance is so manning, and the canvas same manning, and everything everyone's going and it's sort of like no one's quite sort of what they're meant to be doing, and they've just been telling go big, go big, go big, and everything's mental and you're like this it is quite I imagine now it's it's quite annoying. It's like an

annoying watch, like calm down, everyone, what you're doing. Yeah, apart from Tommy Lee Jones, who looks just sort of vaguely annoyed that he's there, and didn't he say to Jim Carey, what's the quote I read something that he hated Jim Carey and said something to him like, I find it impossible to sanction your buffoonery as something incredibly dry put down there as he stood there sort of with half a purple face and half a leopard skin soup. Yeah,

I'm really good answer. You can have that. On the other hand, what's the film that you used to love. You loved it, and you've watched it recently and you thought, oh no, that is not for me. It's actually want to not watched recently. Sorry about that, but and it's another Jim Carey film, who was my idol. But it's probably as Ventura because I'm just remembering bits of it and thinking I probably wouldn't do very well watching it now.

And I think if I remember, it's got powerfully aansphobic finale. Yes, the whole film builds to the horrific transphobic jack. Yeah. Yeah, don't really hold up, do you? As a gym carry fan. Thanks in the Baffinery of Jim and Andy the documentary film mate. That was hard to watch that as a because I am a massive fan of his. But I watched that and thought, I mean, just because you have as an actor, you have empathy with everyone that he's

working with. Going if you're working with this person who's absolute nightmare, who's evidently in the grip of some sort of psychotic break, then it just makes working impossible, and it makes the pull of gravity all about him. About that, there's no way that the collaborative process can happen in anything but a sort of skewed way. I just I just felt for everyone who was working with him. I thought it was mental. But I don't understand like method acting.

I mean, I get why. It's because that's been in the It's been a bit of chat about that reason, isn't it because of Jeremy Strong and apparently he's very unusual method And I understand if you need to as an actor, if you need to have tools or psychologically put put exercises in place that give you the license to make certain decisions or give you a kind of courage in a sense. But with method acting like that,

I can't. There's something at the root of it of becoming another person, which is ultimately you can't if you've become save your Daniel dy Lewis and you've become Abraham Lincoln. Why is Abraham Lincoln allowing himself to have makeup applied? And I always imagine in there will be learned if he's encountered the hotel. Why isn't he's been in the whole film game? What's that? What's that mache? Why are you shouting action or at least magic sticks capturing my voice?

Why are you asking me to say the same thing again? I just said it. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, Jim and Andy blew my mind, blew my mind. And is there any chance that the documentary itself is a prank? It just doesn't. It's too conlincy, isn't it. The documentary itself is a prank? Yeah? Well gosh, yeah, it's too That would be so elaborate. It's very elaborate. And you know what it makes me said about they're doing anything is I did find it really like and I love man

on the main I love it. I think it's great, and it's a shame it was such a night for everyone involved. Yeah. Interesting. Just remember that bit where it sort of tips over into something which is really I found unpleasant, Which was which which might have been helpful to the people involved, but from an outside his point of view, I felt was a bit exploitative and a bit unpleasant, which was he's doing like this kind of role play exercise with actually Andy's relatives. Remember that bit

where he's actually sort of playing Andy with the family. Yeah, I just think that's just a scenario that I can't understand. Yeah, I truly agree, And I you know, there's that story of Dustin Hoffman slapping Meryl Street just before I take to get her into it, and her being like, I'll I'll take care of myself. You don't need to hit me to get me where you think I need to be. I'll get myself, you know what I mean? Like, it's yeah, it takes away everyone else's agency in it. It's like

I was just going to act. I don't know you can you can smashage at your redigence or if you need to. Yeah, yeah, well here we are. And that was that. What is the film that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because the experience you had around seeing the film

will always make it special to you, don't you. Rigby very special film to me because I always remember watching it with my brothers when we were kids, and it brought us so much joy, and we must have watched it one hundreds and hundreds of times. Is drop dead Fred, That's very near that film. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that was just just a joy. I just loved that film.

Rick Males hilarious. I mean I've not seen it in a while, but it was totally and it's all like very pure, let's all puking and fighting, and but I love that stuff. Lap it up, hobbitt, that trop give me that pig of that lap lap lappened it up. What is the film you must relate to it? I don't know. I keep sort of keep HARKing back. Really, I think a film that I related to a lot on a very superficial level because I was called Daniel and I did karate was karate kid. Wait wait wait

you did karate? Yeah? You really fight your brothers, so I could really, yeah, do very slow armed movements in several different directions in front of them, which is what all I learned. And the reason I stopped doing karate was because I got mugged outside the dojo or as it was also known, stop Port Leisure Center. No, I got mugged waiting to pay for my yellow belt. No, they took the money off me that I was going to pay for my yellow belt in karate. So and

I thought, well, this isn't working. That is, you couldn't make it out. You couldn't make it up. You couldn't make it up, Daniel, you could not make that up. I'd say, I don't make that and i'd say, I haven't off my back, did you? Did? You? Did your teacher like not not charge you? Were they that fair enough sense? No? No, of course you don't. Alice with the belt that didn't work. I think, gosh, I've got vague memory of going inside and saying I can't pay

for the belt. Some boys took my money and hit me, And yeah, I think they just like I took my bike as well, And I think I think my mum just had to come pick me up and I didn't. I would have been twelve, eleven twelve. It's really upset me. Do you want to take a break? Yeah, wait, we can take a break a minute. It's a serious that. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Yeah? I thought about this one, and then I had one answer, and then another answer came rushing out of my subconscious. What

was the first one? The first one was The Mask with Cameron Diaz? When when? When? When I first saw Cameron Diaz in the Mask that I'd never sent anyone or any piece of art so beautiful as Cameron Diaz in The Mask when I was a kid. But the sexiest film I think I ever saw was at a time of my life when I was sneaking downstairs to watch Table, which was all fairly new and in amongst the little snippets of topless darts on live TV. Oh yeah,

you remember that. It truly was another time, wasn't It really was like it and the bouncing dancing where the little person. Yeah, but it was like proper darts. It was just like darts games that would go on for as long as a dart. It was a proper darts game and just just happened to be beautiful women who are half naked, and they weren't bad. They weren't bad at the darts. Excellent at darts, excellent darts. That's why

I watched it. There was a film that I can't remember which channel was, but Naked Souls, which was an erotic thriller star always a good genre, always a classy genre, which starred Pamela Anderson and David Warner. Oh great. I wrote down the description of the film. It's an artist tries to rescue her scientist boyfriend who switched bodies with an evil elderly genius. That's an everyone sic set right there right there. That gets me going. It gets me

going right there. But yeah, I just was also obsessed with Pama Anderson. I had a postcard of Pama Anderson under my bed, which was it wasn't particularly explicit or anything, just of her with a tasteful a taste on nipple on display. And I kept it under my bed for like a talisman for years. The one, just one, just one solitary postcard. That was it. It was my yeah, holy beautiful but yeah Naked Souls, which was absolute. I mean I remember, even at that age thinking it was

absolute dogshit as a film. But still that David One is a classy, classy actor. He's like done, He's like a proper what David Warning from the man with two brains? Yeah, oh my god. Yeah yeah, the olderly evil genius. He's the oldly Yeah yeah, he's the old evil genius. Well I'm solved, thank you. Um. There's a subcategory to this question. Troubling bone is worrying. Why don't film you found a rousing that you thought maybe you shouldn't have found a rousing.

I struggled with this question. I think a lot of people do, because there's there's there's shame inherent in it, isn't there? I can't remember a troubling boner. I can remember a troublesome boner, a mischievous boner, a meddlesome boner. Remember, I can't remember a troubling one. Okay, I mean Michelle Peiffer in Batman Returns, because that's quite kinky. But it's not troubling. I mean, come on, that's boner, isn't it. That's a that is a silid proud to be their boner. Yeah,

that's that man is not asking any questions. Yeah, that's a no qualms boner. That bonus. Like, sorry, did someone say Catwoman? I'm sorry, I am late. Yeah, yeah, so I'm not having that now, I'm sorry. Okay, fair play. Do you have an alternative if he said the penguin? I don't know. It's it's all just really obvious stuff. It's all you know, drawings, you know, you know, drawings that you've got bonus for, which I think is the

that's okay, that kind of thing. But but yeah, what about you know made Marian in the Disney Robin hood mm hmm. No, she never she never got it up for me. But but I know that Robin stimulated a lot of female friends of mine. He did tremendous work amongst most of our peers. Actually, yeah, I think that's It's a trope, isn't it. Yeah, So you've got nothing for this one because you're and you know what, I'll

accept it if you're. If your reason is you have no shame in any of your boners, I think that's very psychologically healthy. I just feel like, what is I feel? I feel like I'm quite serene about my bonus. That's great. Yeah, I'm quite zen about them. Listen for you. I'm inventing a categories that most end boner, most zen boner, lovely zen bonus. Objectively, what is objectively the greatest film of

all time? Okay, Vertigo is one that I've got, Okay, but it's not one that's like a massive I mean I loved it when I saw it, but it's not like a massive favorite of mine. But that's the question. It might not be your favorite. It's like, right, right, right, greatest work of cinema. M Yeah, so Vertigo. I think Doctor Strange Love, yes, which I've got biased towards because I love it, But I think also could be up there. Played Runner, Yeah, I got issues you played Runner, but

Blade Run. There is the incredibly weird sexualist sort the scene that's played like a love scene. Oh yeah, I've forgotten about the sexual assaults, really really weird. Sean Young says, let me go. He goes to tell me you want me. She says I don't want you. He says, tell me you want me. She says I don't want you, and then he grabs her and kisses her, and then a saxophone blade. Oh yeah, blade, run there. Sorry, I forgot about that. Yeah, so probably Doctor Strangelove Vertigo. Yeah, you

can have it. What is the film you could or have watched the most over and over again? The film I've watched over and over again as Good Fellows. Yes, I watched it really regularly. Yes, I think I don't know what that does about me. Probably incredible taste. No, you know what's good for you? It's an amazing film. Let's put that in. Then the greatest film Little Time? Yeah, okay, it could be that ship. Let's not be too negative

here for too long. What's the worst film you've ever seen? Well? Um, yeah, Naked Songs, starring Pama Anderson and David Warner was a film that was so bad it almost stopped me wanking. Your meditating said was like, yeah, I'm finally difficult to stay present. Can we switch back over to the top of the starts um naked naked songs? It's definitely up there because it was I just remember even at that age and I was in prime you know, as primetime wanking time as they say, And it was even then

with with that with the hormones cloud. In my judgment, I was still like, this is absolute dog shit. Also, I don't get Bond. Well, here we go talk to me. Well, not that they're the worst films that I've ever seen, but I regularly watched them, and you know, if they're on I get what the appeal is in terms of adventure and macho and a bit of diversion, but I

don't get why people take them so seriously. And there was one, what's the one where there's a man who sort of inflates and then floats up to the sky and then bursts like a balloon and it's just like it's just the most awful special effect. I can't remember the name of the film, but it's like some trap and it's Roger. It's a Roger Moore Bond film, right, I think it's Maon Maker. Yeah, yeah, the end of that,

there's this terrible I just don't. I don't also that even in the because what you're describing there about Blade Runner and the problematic gender dynamics, it's kind of with bond. I think even at the beginning of beginning of one of the recent films, Daniel Craig's like shot this character's husband and like slaps her and then then yes, a bond is something that I don't get in the way that some people get, and people obsess over it in a way that I don't. I don't really like you

really like chin scratching and what does this mean? And that means the themes it's just a bloke with a load of like weird watches and lasers like blowing people up. Like it's just it's not a serious the man with the weird watches and pumps air pumps. Yeah, what is the Listen, you're in comedy. Your award winning for it was the film that made you laugh the most. I

think you probably had this answer before. But Team America World Police, Yeah, really really made me laugh a bit where he's the insistent scag where he's throwing up and just never I remember just hurting laughing from it and it goes again and it's just the laughter is just took over my body. Yeah, and South part of the movie is I mean, I'm such a big fan of Trey Parker and Matt Stone. I think, yeah, they're amazing. So yeah, those those films, and they're really obvious ones

that you know, Spinal Tap and Best in Show. Katherine O'Hara's brilliant physical comedy in that which I don't know if you can remember where she sort of hurts her leg and I've got no idea how she does it, but she does the weirdest walk there's ever been committed to film away from the camera with just one leg, just wobbling ever so slightly every time she steps on it. It's just absolutely incredible physical comedy, which is amazing. And do you do does Derek and Clive get the horn count?

Because that was like a documentary, that was a film. I'm going to give you that. That's really good that you brought that up. It's never been brought up before. Okay, it's quite disturbing. I love, love, love Dare and Cloud, But if you haven't seen it, it's like a film of the recording of a Derek and Clive album and it's at their lowest, darkest, that's the last one, right, And yeah, Peter Cookie is being fucking horrible and weird

and hosogynistic. And why I have offered it because I just remember that watching Dudley Moore doing specifically the mother sketch in that which has always loved listening to it on CD, and just laughing at so much at that, but also as a as an as the whole thing. You know, it is a weird study and a very specific time in their relationship where so toxic, and clearly that toxicity is bubbling out in all kinds of strange ways. And Peter Cook's being very unpleasant at times. So it's

not it's not laughing minute. And doesn't he make it it doesn't he make a joke about cancer? And it was just after Dudley Moore's mum had died of cancer. It's very weird. He's really trying to upset him. Yeah, there's a slight sociopathic kind of joking about about cancer. Yeah, and she'd she'd just been diagnosed, don't she, And yeah, something like that. And he also says that one point

they're bringing a sex doll. There's all this kind of weird like seventies chauvinistic like pranks, and one of them is an actual stripper, comes in and he pretends to be a vampire, a vampire and sort of engulfs her at one point in a very inappropriate and unusual way. And then at one point they there's a sex doll in there, and Peter Cook says, well, like most of women,

she's best when she's blown up. What is going on with because I think he'd just gone through a divorce, like his divorce had just happened, or he was just getting divorced, or he was in a terrible place. And Dudley Moore was a movie star then, and Peter Cook was very jealous, I believe in obviously just couldn't understand why is this guy a movie star? And I'm not It's right, Yeah, he'd just sort of done Arthur, hadn't they? Yeah? Yeah, And Dadley Mill tried to get during glead getting them

on band. I think he didn't want it to come out because he was very unpleasant, very interesting, weird film that you know, he directed that film. I believe it is the same director as the man who made Highlander. Really yeah, what a cv. I've never seen Highlander. It's the obvious follow up to doing at the yea. Yeah, yeah, what's going on there? How's he going from? Yeah? Wow, Highland? It's Highlander good? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, sure. It's about an

immortal Scottish man. Yeah, there can be only one, which is where there are many sequels. Yeah, Scottish. And he's played by Christoph Lambert. Oh. And there's a story about the making of it. I don't know if it's true. The legend is Sean Connery was paid like Sany, was very difficult on it and had got his fee to like, let's set a million a second on screen time, what's

something that was reasonable? And the story is that, like he was so rude to the direction director was that we just need to swing your sword around your head of something, and that Sean Connery, as he was swinging around his head was going one million, two millions, three million, four million. Wow. That's a flex, isn't it. Literally with a sword in your hand, shouting how much money you're earning,

don't you? Mainely You have been an absolute delight. I have loved this However, when you were alone in your house, you pulled the bannerstr out of the wall, left a lot of holes in the place, and actually that turned out to be a good thing, because it meant that people could hear what was going on through the walls. You're in your kitchen, you're cooking, love a bit of cooking. You had a bowl of crisps while you were cooking,

big bar of chrissie. You were just rubbing them over your face, just for the camport from them on my arms, getting ready for when yours, as you always do with your crisps, and just make sure the salt is all over your eyes. And you're cooking up this chili, chili,

old chili, old thing. And you had your socks on, you always wearing socks around that house and quite shiny floors, and you you slipped over, slipped over your socks, and you pulled the pan of stew towards you, and the chili the pan perfectly sactioned onto your face and you couldn't pull it off, and you were suffocating. I'm burning chili. And it took i'd say two hours few to fully done. But you couldn't make noise because they create a vacuum with this pan. Anyway, a week went by and I

was like, I've got a gig. I'm going to get Daniel to come and close the gig for me. He'll enjoy that. And so I text you and whats happened? I go, go, you'll come to this gig. You don't reply a guy? Of course you not the reply scared of stand up. So I keep replying again, only danking. I just meant for a drink. And then I go, oh, he hasn't replied to that. I don't think we've had a falling out, are we? It's he all right? And then I go, hey man, you're right, and a seriously,

we don't have to see each other. Just check it in nowhere. And then I go, I've got Doctor Stray's Love with Nothing and I go naked sounds nothing, and I'm oh shit, I bet I go Team America nothing. So I'd come to round your house and bring a coffee. You know what I'm like. And there you are and

you can't get in. So we're going to neighbors. I go, it's you have from down and they go, actually, there's a hole here, you can look for it and there's a hole from where you pulled out the benefitter, and we look through and there's you're rotting corpse, smelling delicious because of the chili. Kick down the door coming. It's a fucking mess, maggots, cockranes, kidney boxes. Less. I do

what I can. The neighbor helps me. We chop up your body into loads of little pieces of chop it up, chop it up like a young And your neighbor says to me, do you know you always reminded me of And I go who They go Norman Bates, Yeah, similar bribe. Anyway, we bow you up with the chilly get you in the coffin. It's absolutely rammed. It's rammed, rammed in there, ram called anyone. I don't know. Just get it on with it, like you said, just do it otherwise they're

going to procrastinate you. Right, So I'm that hardaway And there's only enough room in this coffee for me to slip one DVD into the side for you to take across to the other side. And on the other side it's movie night every night, movie night in christ night, and one night it's your movie night. What movie are

you're taking to show? The people have heaven when it is your movie night in Christ Night Movies and Chris, which I'm going to take one of the greatest film musicals of all time South Park the movie Great, Great, great time. People aren't going to love you, Danny agree, what a pleasure? Is there anything you would like to tell people to look out for, to watch or to

listen to of yours coming up? I would love to tell people, demand that people ask people to listen to Isaac Steel and the Forever Man, which I've written and I've narrated on Audible, which is available at the moment, And it's a sci fi comedy space Romp, which is a bit sort of murdery Detective e. It's a bit Blade on, a bit Alison Wonderland bit Sherlock Hitchhiker's Guide

to the Galaxy. Yeah, it's a big mashup of loads of things that I love and I've worked ever ever so hard on it, and I love you to listen to it. Please to say I'm too desperate, Please please listen. But yeah, it's it's adable. Now, that's brilliant. And I'll say you will be seeing Daniel doing a gig with me scene. Yeah, I would. I would love that, Daniel Wigby, you are a pleasure. Thank you for being so it's being so brilliant. I hope you have a wonderful debt.

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