Dane Baptiste - The Resurrection! • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #185

special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. But not this week. This week I use my newly acquired shamanic powers to bring back a former guest from the dead and ask them twelve new questions. This week is the return of the Brilliant Stand Up Actor Writer Podcast, a brilliant all round

brain mister Dane Baptiste. Head over to the patroon at intron dot com forward Slashbreck Goldstein, where you get an extra twenty five minutes of chat with Dane where we go deep, really deep. We talk about beginnings and endings. He's got an amazing secret. We can also get the whole episode uncutt and as a video check it out over at patriot dot Com Forward Slash Brett Goldstein. As usual, please watch Ted Lasso on an Apple TV Plus app.

You can also watch the film that we made in twenty fifteen, Super Bob and the show Soulmates, both of which are available on Amazon Prime in most countries. So Dame Baptize Dame Baptiste. I mean, I've had him on the show once before and then I re released this episode because it was so incredible with a new introductors. But this is the first time I'm having him back

for a full, all new resurrection. I always feel like it's a bit of a privilege just to talk to him for an hour, and we recorded this very recently, and as usual, he blow my fucking mind, and I think you'll feel the same way. It's an excellent episode with an excellent man. I hope you love it. So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and eighty five of Films to be Buried with Resurrection. Hello, and welcome to Films to

be Buried with the Resurrection. I am joined back today for the fact the third time on this podcast a record breaking third time. He's an actor, he's a writer, he's a stand up, he's a lover, he's a gentleman, he's a warrior. He's been on the news, he's been in your house, he's been on your Telly. He's one of the greatest brains we have in Britain. Please welcome to the show. The Hero, the Legend, the wonder is mister Day Bad Taste. Oh, thank you so much for

such a wonderful introduction. I'm gonna need it in writing, but no, thank hell very much. Hello, Hello, and a happy New Year to you and the listeners. And it is a pleasure to be a part of what's turned into a trilogy. So it's so good. Yeah, I had you one once. Your episode blew everyone's mind, blew everyone's mind so much that we did a rerelease of it, which I almost never do with a new introduction from you, and I had to leave a little gap before I

could bring you back to life. I'm fucking delighted to have you back. And I actually haven't seen you in ages. What a nice tree has it been. It's been good man. This is like I feel like this is the opposite of a triple threat like a triple delight. It's been a while, I'm back part of a trilogy. Good to see your face again. So yeah, all good things. I'm real happy to be back. And I think you know, as far as the resurrections go where movies are concerned, I want this to be a good one. I always

go well, as I'm sure we all know. I've got no doubt about that. A couple of things I want to talk to you about. Firstly, you did an amazing, I'm truly brilliant pilot called Baymous. Was this last year? Yeahs last year. I really really loved it. It It was so funny and clever and brilliant. Is there going to be more famous? I'm hoping so. I don't think it's going to happen with the BBC, but I'm hoping to

take the format and the concept forward elsewhere. So if there are any producers listening, then I have ideas will travel. But yeah, it's still it's a shame. It's got a lot of good feedback and I would like to have continued with the BBC where it started, but for a number of unforeseen circumstances, don't seem to be happening anytime soon. But we'll see, we'll see. I'm sure it'll be it

will be reincarnated and other guys. But I'm hoping based on the feedback I've got that somebody will see the potential. If anyone is listening to this and hadn't seen Famous, Watch Famous, then can you please buy it and put it on in Telly. There's a joke in that that I think I've quoted so many times but craziested you don't worry, but I think it's a near perfect joke about about dancing. Do you remember it? Oh? Yes, another one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not even gonna do it. That will give you.

Everyone's got to go watch Watch It was dancing bits exactly how those people have to go and watch it? Yeah, exactly, no plot spoilers. And my friend, so somebody typing back now last time we spoke. Last time we spoke was in the middle of the Black Lives matters marches that were happening. There was a real movement going on, it seemed. And I guess what I wanted to ask your brain, because you know, I like to hang out in it. How do you feel a year after that? I think

it's a year now, isn't it. With all the big sort of seismic events that happened in the world in the last year. How much do you think has changed, how much has stayed the same, how much is worse, how much is better? How do you feel now about the general state of things. I feel like there is there seems to be a drive for those who have enjoyed the privilege of and profit from the status quote, trying to shift us back to a previous state where these things happen. And what you don't get is a

large vocalized backlash or the articulation of people's plight. But I think that we've probably passed a point whereby we can go back to that in the first place. So I think while that's happening, that was happening alongside the pandemic, just the social fabric has changed. It's been restitched in some places. I think it's been frayed in others. And I think there's a lot of elements to previous institutions that have allowed things like racism to perpetuate. The figureheads

of these institutions now are they're untenable. I think we're at a point now where when a head of a country when it is being critiqued for they're encompassing their job and they're sponsors to call an opposition leader an apologist for a child molester. I think we are kind of get into the get We'll get into the we'll get into the cold, We'll get to the end of the road. Yeah, we're starting to wrap things up. I think aspect ratio is about to change on this movie

that we call Life. It's sad to say that. I feel like a lot of things haven't changed. I think, however, I mean, revolution and social progression is not something that can happen even in the space of a year. So I think that awareness has been created. I think there is some elements of nomenclature and ideas that a larger audience are aware of now that they weren't necessarily aware of.

I think even the discussion of something like privilege, for example, is a what's a conversation that people were very reticent or very defensive about having. I think people are a lot more prepared to indulge conversations about privilege than they have been before. I think positively, voice more marginalized voices are being able to speak and be able to participate

in discourse. And I think some of the backlash people are getting is just you know, I think there's a lot of dinosaurs that can see a meteor over their way of life, they don't really like it. So I feel like there's been some change, it's not been a drastic one, and I think people are trying to move things back to how they were. But I think that's the normal pathology of people who realize that their way of life is about to change and the social fabric

crme them is changing. That people can be very resistant to that. But I think things are changing, whether people want them to or not. But yeah, we've still got a very long way to go, but it's only but it's only been a year, you know, And Yeah has said it takes longer been a year for things to change, But then all it takes is for one thing to change everything straight away. So I think we're going on

as usual. When we last Spike, we talked about because it really it really hit me that American Hollywood films the cops are the good guys, that that is such a base narrative for so many films. It's like, yeah, we're watching a film about cops, and it was only you know, the you know stuff of the last few years where it was like, hang on a minute, they

do this stuff. I think I think that that was an epiphany we all reached, especially I mean black community especially have been fooled because a lot of time, that's the natural progression for like rappers that transcend into like making films and television, is that they often play police officers, and so the benevolence of law enforcement has been We've been very much by the idea of the betterments of

law enforcement a lot of time. A lot of your comedic heroes, it's normally like buddy cops, so they go for so buddy cop films make us all think, oh, the police are called they're the ones that get on but they speak to animals and they get funny black dudes, and so I think we've all been like, hey, this is not what happens in real life. It's been rude awakening for everyone involved. Really, And do you think, because in terms of you know, we're talking about culture, is

it do you think there's been changed? I mean, all I can tell you I haven't seen all of it, but I'm aware that Brooklyn ninety nine as a show that I think they for their final season is a funny cop show if you'd never seen it. I think that they were all like uncomfortable and they were like, I think they changed the fabric of the show. I don't know exactly what they did, but they definitely did something different, yeah, because they were like, yeah, we kind

of just be great guys. Yeah. They I think they've always been very good at kind of addressing a lot of these issues within Brooklyn nine nine. Obviously there's a limit to which or how much they are able to delve into these very difficult topics. I think it's much It's definitely more of a personality led the show than

it is about kind of glorifying or enforcement. So I kind of, yeah, I think it would have pinched your shot, really, but I think it's a good example of, you know, people using their platform responsibly to kind of have these conversations. And I'm almost and you know, comedy is normally one of the most I think it's probably one of the

most effective ways of approaching to boost subjects. And I think you know, when you give it, I think when you're given the quintessential sitcom audience that's not normally something that people want to have discussed on a show like that. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, this is quite as good to see the approach, I suppose. So you are now on tour, correct, Yeah, so I'm

going to be finished off my tourks on. My tour was postponed during the beginning of the pandemic and then a few shows out of London, but I'm trying to finish the show. I'm able to finish the tour show now in London, so where it started before the pandemic started at the Soho Theater and I'm returning to the Soho Theater in March to do the last last week of shows. Do you has your tours show changed? Is it the same as it was a year ago when

you had to keep post playing it? It's not changed a lot, I think because thematically, I was already kind of discussing the issues that have been at the forefront of a public discourse for the last couple of years. So my show was basically about, you know, how people interpret or perceive black anger and how that's kind of

either commodified or as weaponized. And it was really a show that was about having a unfiltered conversation about race relations in the UK and addressing a lot of the defensive reactions, whether it's like it's not as bad as America, or class breeds more than race in the UK, or

we're not as bad. It's really a show that it's been like, we're at the point now where we can't deny the dis that exist within this country, whether they are along racial lines, national lines, even down to our divisions of north and south and by partisan lines, and if you fail to address it on a literal, skin deep level, then division is going to break part the whole country. And so the last two years have kind of been me being like, I know what to say.

I told you so. So it's actually been quite quite gratifying really to see, like, you know, this is all all the stuff I'm saying I've been saying in shows for years when critics have tried to play it down, is now part of the massive over conversation that everyone's having in every kind of arena of discourse. So yeah, for me, yeah, the show's not really need to change as much. Yeah, it's more of updating jokes and updating

material just to make it more exciting for me. And for audiences itself, but so far as the themes of the shows and what the show discusses, like, you know, it's probably been more poignant than ever. The world is finally caught up with you. Yeah, basically like that, particularly in this country. So it's it's been, Yes, it's been, it's been. It's been. It's been cool that spect and you know, as a result of which, I've seen some change in the aesthetic of the landscape of comedy in

this country. But there's still a lot of work to do, and I still address some of that in the show as well, because I still think we're at a point now where black creativity, particularly the UK, is still seen somewhat as a monolith, and even though people are able to kind of transcend or like multitask to an extent in our industry, I still feel like, you know, as a comic, you'll probably get passed over in this country as a black comic for a rapper or a more

prominent influencer in comedy than your white counterpartment. Like I don't imagine that Professor Green, for example, would be the go to to present or be on the panel of Taskmaster, whereas as a black comic you're still kind of competing with black influencers and black rappers and singers, and so we're still not at the point where there's enough nuance given to the work we contribute towards creativities. So that's

the large part of what the show is about. But the show is really just about the fact that, like you know, it's really me just trying to provoke people to kind of be like, be open about what pisses you off. Like, you know, if we're all having discussions about mental health, then there's no reason why anger and how to process that, particularly the state that we're in now, should be a difficult conversation to have. Like people have been very isolated, they must have been felt very marginalized.

And you know, most people perceive convicts and inmates to be naturally aggressive, but you know, that's an experience that we've all shared and not been able to have our personal freedoms restricted, not having access to our families. So it would be remiss of us not to think that we've developed some of somewhat of a chip on our shoulders as a result of like the last the events

of the last two years. So as the show's kind of be being like, you know, like in the film Network me being like, we're mad as well, we're not going to take an anymore. And you, listen, you were very very cerebral. Man, Is that the fad to say? As in I'd like to think, So yeah, you're certainly the one as smart as people, right know. I try to think more than I speak, is what I try to do. Really. I think both people think I'm maybe a bit too equacious, but I'm like, I tried to

think a lot more than I speak. And I like to think as well. In a world where you know, it's very much democratized world of opinions, I like to think that I take time to think about what I say before I say it. So yeah, how much are you when you talk about angry and stuff? How much are you angry? Or how much are you because you always seem to me very listen, this is how you come across and they may not, of course be true.

You come across as very calm and thoughtful, like in a way that like if one is in therapy and you're would step back from the feeling and just observe it and then don't don't get overwhelmed by the feeling. The way you come across as a friend and as a person is is that is like the quite enlightened in terms of you seem calm and you see the stuff and you deal with it. Is that true? Or are you sickly fucking fuming all the time when to kill everyone? Oh? No, I think I think that's very true.

I think I personally think as exactly as you describe me. And I tried to be very analytical and cerebral and yeah, to look at things from a more objective perspective. But I think, and this is this is why I've never told anybody before, because that my anger really is. It's how I am processed more like humanitarian sorrow, Like I'm really worried for the world and I'm really worry about

where we're going as people. But it's so what people tend to perceive as me being angry is more the fact that my heart bleeds for the world, and it's more and the tone is rather than being accusatory, it's more alarmist. I really try in my work try to warn people of what can happen if they don't address

a lot of these complexes that they may have. So for example, like, you know, I read about people like Kanye or I read about you know, it's incidences or people like Frank Bruno and stuff who have succumbed to like acute issues of mental health, and I'm like, I'm not really surprised. It's it's I don't think people really when they consider representation, it's not really necessarily about box

ticking of fueling quotas or numbers itself. It's human beings are a social species, and so our self image contributes massively to our you know, to our state of mental health. And if you don't see or hear anything that seems to represent yourself, then you can lose a sense of self. And you know, over time that can definitely affect you.

And I've learned, as we all do, that our careers and our profile can kind of wax and wayne in the creative industry, but really, peace of mind is the one thing you can't necessarily buy, and it's you know, you look at someone like Kanye West now and he's going through a divorce and it's been a very public one, and this has all happened after him becoming a billionaire, and you know, people have all of their opinions about the state of his relationship with Kim kardash and stuff

like that, and I just think to myself, I'm like, yeah, well, the thing is if you strip down all of the profile of pomposity around these two names or brands, like Kim Kardashian is an Armenian woman whose ancestors or parents would have fled Armenia to an escape a genocide. Essentially is raising four black children. So to watch the father of her children closing up next to a man who wanted to link four black men for a crown that

didn't commit, like, of course she'd leave you. And for me, it's kind of like how do people not see that? And the things that people tend to focus on, I just find it crazy. But it's even like, you know, when I look at the state of our political system now, for me, like when people might see tweets from me or have or narratives which appear to be angry, my anger really stems from the fear that I don't really think people understand how bad austerity is going to be.

And I really feel like if people were aware of how the powers that they are planning to damage your way of life I think we would have a revolution. I think, you know, even now the people are hearing about like rising energy prices and stuff, So yeah, it doesn't It gets really worrying. So I guess anger's sometimes a way of processing it very now and again. But I tend to find that being able to have the cathosis, whether it's through performing performance or even talking to people,

is actually very helpful. And I always and a lot of time I do get like my detractors kind of like frown at this, but I always feel like the psychiatry industry probably wouldn't be as prosperous if we all hide people we could just talk to about shit like this.

I really, I really feel like it wouldn't be as like even like antidepressors wouldn't sell the way they would if people could just talk honestly to other people without feeling the need to politically identify with an agenda or an idea, and just be able to empathize with other people. I think most people believe that, but most people are forced to conform into a narrative because they live within

a capitalist society or they're from a particular culture. Is this is is that your way of dealing when you get if you get overwhelmed by sadness or anger or fear or any of it, do you do other things? Do you meditate? Do you or is it just talking to people? I guess I just talking to people only because I guess I feel that my internal monologue about this stuff is the part that most people can identify with.

And I really feel like at the quantum of most of most human beings, there's esoteric truths that people actually know, but it's not prepared to do it. So, you know, I think sometimes people will go and see a therapist with a partner, or they may have a couple of therapy or you know, And I feel like it's even because a therapist can't involuntarily make someone take accountability for directions, there's a limit to which that person can kind of

be engaged. So the true efficacy or something like psychiatry requires morality for it to work, even though it's supposed to be like a science. You need someone who cares enough about the people they may have affected, or cares about preserving whatever paradigm relationship they have with people, to be honest about who they are. And you know, I think it's that that lack of interpersonal honesty we all have that's going to ultimately be the most damaging thing

to our species. And I think, you know, Don't Look Up was like a real, real nice cathartic film that I saw recently that it really helped me to kind of be like, it's not just me. Yeah, it's not just me from that from that perspective as well, whereas like, oh so obviously everyone knows the truth, but they just fucking out like they don't for me. Yeah, that was very gratifying to see. Good bless you, Dame Baptiste. Jane Baptiste, you have been brought back to life because I will

like you, you get a second chance. But one point in your life, will you come back to what? Will you change? Any regrets? Oh? Will you start exactly where you left off? Design now, Dane, good questions. I'm going to start off where I left off. Let's just get back to it. Let's get back to it. No regrets, not happing to change, Let's get on with it. This is it. Let's get back to it. Let's keep going as we as we were. Love that love that about you?

All right? Will you come back to life? Everyone's very excited to see they really missed you. Actually, everybody good to have you all both, Thank you very much. I can't tell you about Heaven they told me, I'd say nothing, Oh really nothing, not even a clue. It's a big part of the hor resurrection thing. Breads so much small print up there, or is it? I can't even tell you. I can't even tell you. Then at least tell me. They have movie night. They have movie night up. Oh,

every night can be a movie night. That's why it's called heaven. Bread. Yes, you've come back to life and people want to talk to you about your life through film. Weirdly, and the first thing they ask you is what was the last film you saw in that taste? Well, as I said, I just remember it. I think the last film I saw was Don't Look Up, which was in Netflix film. I'm glad you liked it. I was in the same way I felt about Vice. I was surprised that it was so divisive and so many people were

mad at it. I was like, this is a good thing, no beef with it. I found it. I thought it's fantastically acted, Yeah, definitely, and very enjoyable. I thought it was really good at thinking I thought it was really relatable. I think it's definitely a film, is it Adam kay? Right? Yeah, I think a lot of his films. Yeah, Okay, I

think a lot of his films. They're definitely a talent led in that you can tell a lot of the cast have literally in that film because they love the script and they love the themes of the film, and you can kind of see that in how it kind of plays out. But yeah, I don't understand how the film can be devisive at all. Like, even if you choose to enjoy that film on a satirical or superficial level,

then it shouldn't be particularly offensive. It's really just taking lots of contemporary themes that are very relevant that we discuss on a regular basis and making Yeah, I think, very effective architects and composites to tell a really good story. So it's a bit like Your Torch Show in that it was written before the pandemic and it just became more true, like the world caught up with the film.

I think in a way, I think what people weirdly, what people were annoyed about with the film is they were I think that they were like, it's so on thenose, that's like it's not even satire, it's just exactly what's going on. And I think a year before it had been satire, it had been you know, you don't look up idea had been made up. And then it was like, no, we're all there. Yeah, we've been there. I mean, i'd

say we've been there for a while. I think as soon as like the head of publicity for the White House said, alternate facts, we already welcomed like lilies into our vernacular and so and also what's from the stuff being on the nose? Like we enjoy ritualistic and stylized violence on the nose all the time, so you know a film doesn't show any over violence or sexuality. Be on the nose is very telling about, you know, our

collective consciousness as people nowadays. Interesting Dame bap Taste, who do you think should play you in the film of your life? I'm not sure? It is it a weird thing I never think about like a biopic or do play me in a movie? I like it is quite weird. I think about your biopic a lot, I think about yours all the time, but my own one, I'm not sure.

I leave it opened because I feel like in the world of acting, there might be an undiscovered talent there, so I would necessarily be like, I insist that it's this personal someone that might be already have a profile. You never know where you might find talent. So there might be someone out there who's analyzed my speech and mannerism so well and they're just waiting for this role to come up. So I want to leave the casting

open to find that person. But failing that, Kyle Smith Bleno who plays in staff Let's Flats, He's really funny. That is a really good we both got similar haircut. But I think he did a great job. That's a really good chat. He would do a great job. That's perfect casting. You know what you're doing. We're not getting someone nine name, We're getting him getting Dame Baptiste. What is I think? I don't know this for sure. I suspect that you are a romantic. I think so. No, No,

definitely a romantic. What's the nice romantic film you've ever say? It's a good question. It's a good question. Good question.

There's a film or theres a series of films called Lone Wolf and Cub and some people might know them as know the film Baby cart on the River Sticks, right, But it's an old seventies like feudal Japan era action epic, like a Japanese film about the samurai called a Gammy Ito, and it's about he was a showgun's executioner and a secret ninja clan is trying to replace him, and so they kill his family, and so he goes on a journey to May for Mardu, which is the world of

fire in Shinto culture, on a bloody path to revenge, and he brings along his son as well, and he basically goes on vengeance to avenge his family. And it's just a very graphic, very violent epic. But I'm like all of this because your wife died, so he must really really love his wife. Like the guys. He's a showguns executioner, so it's on a healthy wage. He's got a son, so he's got an heir, and you know, feudal patriarchal Japan, he would be fine, but these guys

killed his wife. So essentially he wipes out two ninja clans and basically everyone that stands in his way on his path to hell as he seeks vengeance for the loss of his family, and I'm like, that's love right there. That's pretty romantic. So by your wrestling now, John Wick is a very romantic film about a man and a dog. I mean it is, but it's more about the fact that he hasn't got the emotional intelligence to process his grief because he could just be in a bar and

just get drunken by it. But he's like, if my lover isn't here, my dog isn't here, none of these people should should be here. So it's romantic, but it's more tragic in the fact that it's like these men are so paralyzed by their love of their partners, who clearly see something in them that they felt they don't have, that they are just consumed by grief and self hatred and project that everywhere. And it's just almost like bits me to be like, oh, you just need a hunt

from your missus, mate. And I feel like that's such

a big part of the complex of toxic masculinity. I think there's a I think there's so many men out there who would just if they could honestly just say I loved her with everything and she broke my heart and left me, that there's we would really address a key part of what makes up the specter of toxic masculinity and toxic patriarchy stuff like that, because there's a lot of men who because can't say, she broke my heart and I loved it with everything, and every day

she's gone, I feel like a husk. I'm naked in the cold and darkness, and there's no amount of carnality that will replace the love that this woman had for me. So being able to select to myself, yeah, it was how I was able to become a good comedian because I had a lot of free evenings and it made a heartbreak. Definitely made a man of me. And yeah, definitely, And you didn't go on a three film killing spree. No, no,

not at all. But um but I know a lot of men tend to project onto these archetypes, and you know, in cells they do project onto these archetypes of these of these lone wolves that exact vengeance on alphas and the like, And I really feel like love in cells, if they could just openly be honest and be like, I loved her and she broke my heart, then we could probably probably less of a need for those kind

of films. And so they're like there like men's romance films really, and I guess it's almost it's almost like the justification that you find for these archetypes to like exact all of this violence is then be like he had everything and he lost a woman he loved and

now he's out for vengeance. And so I guess for men that's how they feel like by me doing these alpha displays of hyper stylized violence, it shows I could love a woman and being a monogamous relationship, which is fine, but we could also as men, try telling her how you feel and then you won't feel so consumed with grief if you ever lose the opportunity due to unforeseen circumstances. So I'd say that one, or I'd say if not low More from Carve a film I sol recently which

is very romantic. Was Queen and Slim. I so romantic, it's so intense and as a sexy film, such a sexy film, really great film, amazing casting love leaving with and everything she does. But yeah, I thought it was I don't think you get a greater demonstration of love and and black love, which has a genre unto itself. Then defending the woman you love from police brutality. Yeah, so I thought that's a really good film. It's a still film I see very still see, very vividly in

my mind that doesn't require Yeah. So yeah, great film that I wouldn't even need to see again, even though it's a very romantic film. Um, but it's romantic for all the right reasons. I think person only love prevailing in more strenuous circumstances, it's a lot more profound than when you see it blossoming in like a Roman com where everyone comes from a very privileged background and London

to them is like phone boxes and black taxes. I think if you're facing mortal danger, under run for your life and throughout that you can still act selflessly for somebody else. I think that doesn't get really wrong romantic than that beautiful answer. What's the best film you ever saw that you never want to see again? Dame Back tweets that's a good question. Um, I think maybe no, mad Land. It's a really good answer. I have to agree.

It's it's an amazing film, flawlessly done. I think the style of how it's shot like there's such a very thin line between what has kind of been created for you know, stories to take of storytelling. But I can't tell what's really then what's actually been kind of film And that's why it works so well. Yeah again in Frost, McDorman is another person that really ever misses and I think No Man Land is a film that everyone should see.

And the reason why I say I didn't see it once is that if that film doesn't make you acting your best interest for your own personal or spiritual well being, then I don't know what will. Yeah, but it's that that's the film that's um If anyone who who claims to wholeheartedly believe in support a free economy in the West should watch that film. If you can watch that film and you're fine with it, then yeah, I can't really challenge your perceptions, but I personally feel like, if

you should watch that film, yeah, it's awesome. It surprised me. It was a very lovely film. I think it surprised me how lovely it was as well, like it was really quite profound and and very like warm. I sort of assumed it was going to be a depressing film, and there was so much and love. It's a really lovely film. Actually, I take it back. I would watch it again. What's the best action film you've ever seen? Dane back Fleets. Oh, so many choices here, I would

say Fist of Legend. It is a great film. I think Fist of Legend is the film that was choreographed by the action choreographer Yen Rooping and was the reason why Quentin Tarantino recruited him for Kill Bill. The Raid is also very good. Yeah, it's kind of like the Radio because it's almost like very russtick in terms of its hour shows the action scenes as it is on Back.

I think Tony jarr is one of the best action styles since Jackie Chan, who was in another one of my favorite action films, just as Armor of God two, Operation Condor, which has the famous fight between him and the Amazon women, which is great. But then also Avengers Endgame because I've always been a massive comic book fan. So that final scene when it's like forty seven characters, I'm like, yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you, Holly for me.

That was Hollywood and this these studios have made up for all of the failed attempts at like adaptations and all of the times they've given blank checks to people that didn't deserve them, like after that scene in Avenger's End Game, like I all prepared to forgive ben Affleck for playing Dad Devil. That's how much that meant to me. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I was. I wasn't as vocal about ben Affleck doing Batman as I

was about Dad Devil. You know, I've been able, I've been able to mellow out about about that since I've got an order so much so, like Avenger's Endgame has given me so much faith in comic book adaptations, like Robert Pattinson, who was he was it a column in Twilight and he's playing Batman and I'm like, let's give him a gun. I'm team Patterson. He's fucking great. He is great. He is great. I gotta say he is great. I've got I've got nothing against him. He's great. I

think I think he'll do a great job. I think, you know, I saw his action chops in Tenant and I like those, and you know, I believe in the guy. And especially I'm really looking forward to seeing Paul Dano

as the Riddler. Yeah, that's gonna be really good. Of all the films, if you had, if you had to game back tweets which film do you think you could have made and why I've got this question quite simple, and that's only because I want to show that I have reverence for people that are creators or make an effort to make a feature length motion picture. So I

would say maybe The Blair Witch or Paranormal Activity. And I'm just looking from a purely logistic logistical perspective where setting up the shots will probably be the easiest to do with those particular films, because it's like when people in a pub watch a football ago shit utherly better

than that. I'm like less than one percent of the people in this entire country could do that, So no doubt you could, and you know, in the same thing with films, and that is very easy to proticute these things. But at this point, I'm like, it's not as easy as it looks. So I'd go for those two in terms of logistics. But as far as the films that I would like to have made, I have, I mean, I have idea to fan fiction and films i'd like

to make. One being I wanted to do a Blade film, yeah, and I wanted to do it with kill Monger from Black Panther being resurrected as a vampire, and then there's like a Blade and Black Panther crossover, and then they could bring that out for Black History Month and so come out right now, yeah so and then also I also recall Marvel used to have a UK imprint, like at the height of their publishing, they were like British

Marvel Comments, and that was a group. There was a duo called motor Mouth and kill Power, and kill Power has got like the brain of a child, but he's been like genetically augmented into like this enormous beast, but still a demand of a child. And he's helped up like kill Powers. Like she's like a fast talking, like she heat girl and she's got a sonic screen. And I thought that would be a good idea for a film. But I haven't got about getting the rights to that.

But yeah, those are the rights, now get the rights. Yeah I can't get back. I will do. What is the film you have pretended to like to impress people? Day back tweets don't seem a faker to me, But maybe you've been pretended to like something you didn't. Oh, yeah, you're right, I'm not really a faker. I don't really pretend to like stuff, but there are There is a film called Minister Society. Yeah huge, huge brothers. Yeah, huge brothers. And I liked the film to an extent, but not

as much as was made out. Like Minister Society is considered like a classic within African American cinema, and I was like, yeah, I just find it quite bleak and gratuitous.

And yeah, there's like a really famous scene where Laurentz Tap playing Old Dog shoots a crackhead, a guy as a crackhead over some cheeseburgers, and the way it's kind of recanted in about community, people say it's like it as a joke because essentially the guy basically offers to give him a sexual act in exchange for some crack and he's like what, so he shoots him, and everyone finds the idea quite funny that he responded to I suppose this homosexual advance with violence, and I was like, nah,

it just seems very excessive to me. And then I found that the film making Old Dog pretty much the only survivor a really bad message because in the film Old Dog is I mean, it's already a film where there's clear antagonists and protagonists, but I suppose he's a friend of the protagonist and he's known for being very excessively violent, and at the end of the film he's

one of the only survivors. And I feel like the message you're sending people is that like, if you are crazy and shoot before you ask questions, then you're more likely to survive urban youth violence and poverty, which I don't think it was the right message to send. And I'm kind of like, maybe this is the reason why Tupac beat the Share of his brothers and that's why he never got to do the film in the end, because he was originally supposed to play Cane in menat

of Society. Really, I think he beat the share the two other than set and then he ended up doing some time for it because there's a clip of Tupac talking about it on your own TV raps and yeah, and he almost basically stitched on himself to an extent, So yeah that that film probably it also started Jaya Pinkett, and I was just like, yeah, I think instead of

the wrong message. And also the film colors because it's like I just think at the time, because there's such a lack of context the film Colors was supposed to show like the kind of side of gang banging culture in LA and how bad it was, and what it really did was helped to spread that gang culture globally, so the other Southern states and various other states in

Middle America. When people are like, or how did bloods and Crypts come to your neighborhood, is like, well, because we all saw it in Colors, I was like, well, it wasn't fully opposite of what was supposed to happen. So there was a point in the nineties where I think there was just like this explosion of like the biggest a big explosion of like black cinema following like

you know, the black exploitation of the seventies. But I think, as we discussed in previous episodes of the podcast, that part of that convidence was that these films have to show one dimension of the black or the African American experience. Yeah,

and that wasn't always obviously wasn't everyone's experience. And I remember I saw something recently when Eddie Murphy talking about the fact that when he made a film called Boomerang like, which is about like, you know, successful black people running

their own business. There was a lot of that was panned by critics as opposed to when you know, films like Boys in the Hood and Men Society, which I'm lauded for being so overtly violent and graphic, and he was like, you know, it's nothing new, so yea man's Society. I think people like it and people sent to life and focus on these things, which again I reckon, as I said, it's just a another wall that put people up to to feign the fame not having vulnerability. Fantastic answer.

What is the film you've never seen that you think it's mad? You've never seen it, Donnie Darko, that is mad? What is the film you love that you don't expect anyone else to lie? It's still Beverly Hills Troop, which I just it's just a classic. I don't know. I think it's maybe it's because it's just one of the only films I had on VHS as a kid, But I just think it's a great film. It's very funny, and yeah, I just think it's it's just a great film.

If I'm gonna be if I'm gonna be a father someday and I have some some young kids that's gonna be on the go too, just on a bank holiday, every day, every day watching every day's strung up with the kids. Yeah, it's raining out, we're watching Beverly Hills Trap. Exactly. Come on, kids, it's maybe the man I am today. Do you like daddy? Yeah? Well this is why put it on. What is the film you would show a lover as a test to see if you should be together?

That see if we'd work two films, one being a house party because I think, yeah, if you understand, and the thema. Yeah, if you don't like Happy, you not like kidn' play, you're not gonna like me, and don't like if you don't like kidn't Play? And uh and I mean even house parts a film like even again, on reflection, the comedic talent that was in that film was insane because kiddn player in that film. Tisha Campbell was in that film. John Witherspoon was in that film,

Robin Harris was in that film. Yeah, and again I think there was that Reggie Huddling I think directed that, the guy that does the Boondocks, so he's involved in it as well. So um, yeah, that film was just amazing. It just it shows a lot of times again that great early film that's still a cult classic, but just shows. And for me it's been really now that I work in creative fields that giving people the breadth to kind of realize their potential and innovate within scenes and stuff

can only produce a perfect synergy. So yeah, I don't think would be parasite. Well, basically I love Parasite and I showed it to a person I used to live with and they were like, I don't get it, and I was like, that's why we don't live together anymore, because you don't understand why this stuff is a problem. So but yeah, I just think those films kind of show parts of me where it's kind of like, like

to be fun and personable. Obviously my comedic side, which is expressed on one level through house Party, and then my more cerebral side, where I am are very much concerned about humanitarian issues and how that kind of plays out and the inevitable outcome of clos us and economic iniquity. But what you're also saying with Parasite is yeah, I care about all those things, but I'm still a thrill ride. Yeah, still still fun. I'm still fun. I'm still still do

a dance here and there. Yeah, I'm still I'm still a party. I'm still for the party animal, but I care about people like you know, a party, but I still want to make sure that the cups are recyclable, still want to clean up afterwards. Everyone gets something safe, Yeah, make sure no one drugs anything, keep your drink safe. No one gets in a nuber with a lower than for writing exactly, I know. And also nobody is too good or not good enough to be at the party.

Everybody's welcome. That's as party. Yeah, because if to have have a house of a floor and everyone's having a good time at the on the backs of people that are suffering, that's not a good thing. The outcome when those two worlds collide will be a bad thing, and I think that's not a good time. Anyone that's with me now should understand that. That's my main narrative is that like inequality is going to come to a head and human beings are going to be in the conflict

for dwindling resources. So we can still have fun, but we should be conscious of those that are below us. Yeah, what is the film that made you the most uncomfortable? Dayme back tweets. I find it even sorry it's entirety, but I think it would be sex in the City too. The woman is going to be by yeah, depending on what people take away from Sex in the City, I think, and for me as well, because I love Kim Control.

She's the best, She's such a great person. I just think that I when a lot of my peers were turned off by the idea of Sex in the City, I took the time to do the due diligence and actually watch it before making any judgments about it based on the title, which I think a lot of men did. And it's a very funny comedy show. But it's a

great show. But the only thing I worried about, and you know this is not an issue that's gender based, is I feel like there was a lifestyle being sold to people without them being aware of the consequences, and I think, obviously them going to Dubai is the epitome

of that, and I just worried that. I think a lot of people that liked Sex in the City liked it because they liked the idea of these archetypes of women being you know, independent and successful and being achievers in their own right and for them to kind of try to take that and try to solve the issues or the social issues that they saw at a place like the like Dubai in the space of one film like this is kind of simplistic and also suggest that there are not problems at home that require the same

level of address as they do in the Emirates. Like the Emirates know who they are, they don't hide it. The issue is about, you know, parts of the West

where people pretend the stuff is okay. Like I don't even hear women talk about menolo blocks as much as they used to anymore, and that used to be the be all on end or when Sex and the City first came out, but I already mentioned as much, But I guess a lot of people are and I think I just feel like, you know, the same way that like colors were supposed to warn against gangs and it

helped them to flourish. I think that Sex and the City was supposed to encourage women to not just be dolls for the male gaze, and then if you kind of look at today, there's I think that seems to have gone in the opposite direction, where what's supposed to be empowering seems to really only empowering, be empowering consumerism

rather than feminism. So that's what I was kind of worried about, really, is that you know, those ladies are grown women who have very good jobs and that's why they can live the way they do, and not everyone can do that, especially after a credit crunch, should be like, I don't try this at home kind of thing for sex and the city sexy, don't try this at time. Don't try If you could show a child one film, what would it be? Then back tweets it would be Moonwalker?

Why as a warning? Why? Yeah? Actually also as a warning to let these children know if you become too successful and you break all records with your album, then stories of your impropriety of children will come out. So they should be warned about that, especially my children. But I think I just think Moonwalker is a where kids

are concerned. It's masterpiece. I think, you know, when I look at Michael Jackson's esthetic, that's what you can achieve creatively if you don't feed into this idea that there's a certain way that adults should think and should interpret the world. And you know, at the time my Jess must have been in this like well, late thirties, early forties when the moon came out, and you know, he turns into a robot and a car and robot should

layers and you can dance. I mean, it's true. It's just I think, even today, when you judge opposed the entertainment that is give towards children on social media today, I'd rather take it down a natural two and show The Moonwalker, which I think still holds up today. He does turn into a robot and thea you're right around rabbit biker. He was Transformers before the Transformers or around

the same time exactly. Yeah, he was Transformers from Transformers and and it's I'm trying to remember who directed The Moonwalker. But yeah, also Joe Pesci's in Moonwalker. Yeah that's true. I mean, yeah, Pesci's in it. It can't all be bad. It can't be all bad. But I think I think kish see, I think I think kids should understand how long ago it was, how ahead of his time was. And also because I feel like there's not going to

be another Michael Jackson. I think entertainment it's so much more democratized in terms of people showing what they like and I think everyone's chasing that dragon. But there's never going to be another moment Jackson. So I think it's important case to see what celebrity looked like before it was distilled and made a too commodity that you could buy them on the internet. So yeah, Dave back tweets,

you have been as wonderful and brilliant as ever. In fact, you've been so good that I've decided I'm going to let you live. Thank you. That's not to say that one day, you know, Let's not to say you'll be here forever. So just in case something were to happen, what DVD would you like to leave in your will for a loved one? Now? Before I was going to say The Avengers, but then I think if it's for

a loved one, may need a different message. So it's a really tough one because I don't I don't want to give somebody a complex if I'm no longer here and I wanted to be able to help them, I got it. It's going to have to be Malcolm X directed by Spike Lee. I'm going to say The Avengers, but I think I'm gonna go from Malcolm ex rated by Spike Lee because I think anyone should have an interest in films. I think that it's a great film. I think Denzel Washington is a great person to set

a bar for acting for whoever's watching it. I think while want to get across for people from people where Malcolm ex is concerned is that it's it was. It's a much bigger story than a pro black activist, Like this is a story about somebody who's come from abject poverty, someone who was fully steeped in vice and I think in cardinality, and I think that's a part of people missed, Like this is not about someone that's holding down postially

and like Malcolm Ez was a coke dealer. He's sniffed coke, he did burglaries, he carried a gun, he used to do numbers like so you know, at any archetypal story about a criminal, like he embodied all of that as well. He was nomadic in his travels from you know, to be living in Detroit to being from Nebraska and living

in Harlem. So many of the theme So you know, this is a story that goes from basically being pulp fiction to being like a redemption story to acting selflessly for the great good of people, even at the expense of your own mortality. And I think that's a great example to set about how you should live as a

human being. And so I would definitely leave that. And also, I mean it's as it's not completely faithful to the actual book itself, but I also like my connection was kind of like, you know, our point would't even be where I was if it wasn't for my sister. And so there's so many elements in terms of what he discusses in terms of like self image, and you know, there's nothing that he talks about that is not applicable to today's world, particularly in this part of the world

that we live in. So I would definitely say that's the film I'd want anybody who cared about me or anyone to watch that you can come from fucking nothing, and not only yourself, but you can lead people to a greater understanding. The comedian Dick Gregory, who pop us Away quite recently, what he's asked about Milcolm X. He says that this man cleaned up. He was he was six foot three and a half, and yet he was one of the most sotisspoken, most polite people you'd ever meet.

And for me, it's like I took it on board so much that like I make it a point of principle to almost be painfully polite and everyone I address professionally, there's no reason why you can't addressed everyone with a please, no thank you, and a yes sir, I don't know, madam, or even someone is non binary. There is no reason why you can't take the time to learn someone's pronouns and to respect their existence as a massive influence. And you can do all of that whilst taken on the

whole fucking world. And for me, I've never heard a more inspirational story like I think reading and watching that film definitely helped in terms of my attitudes towards sexuality and towards vice, and really helped me to get a much broader understanding of people and never being resistant to

listening to anyone's ideas. And for me, that just makes me a so much more peaceful person that being able to indulge the narratives of anyone that is not seeking to calm, cause harm or loss to any other sentient being. There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to respect and indulge their humanity or their way of thinking. And it's made me a bad artist, it's made me a

happier person. And yeah, and that's what I mean. It's like when people hear me vocalize and descent about regressive ideology, it's because I'm generally of the positions like there is no reason and there are none of us who are in a position where we've completely had mastery over the self that we should be worrying about what any other

human being is doing. And I generally believe it's like, you know where, depending on how people politically identify, part of that tends to be that, like, you're a Christian, so you have to reject other theological belief or your assist gender heterosexual man, so you should reject any notions that about the fluidity of gender. And I'm like, why, what difference does it make to your life? Who gives a fuck? Like how does this make my life bad? Is this helping me towards reaching a state of a

higher state of being? And it doesn't, And like I might, I might, you know, falter at this goal, but that's all I want as a human being. And sometimes I forget because something like that's nice, but what money I'm going to be successful? Babys shouldn't go for three seasons, which is nice, but at the same time it's like

what I remember. As much as I like Baymous and I love to to be a serious the reason why Bamous exists is too is because like when I was growing up, Bret like, there were people like Missed the Motivator or like Shudow from Gladiators or you know, Rusty Lee, and wherever they realize it or not, Like like I said, this representation paved the way or was able to implant a seed in my mind, and I had not had the opportunity of having that dialogue with them, but obviously

there is a lineage which allowed me to be in a space that I'm in and Baymous it was to show reverence for that, but Baymous was also to show that, you know, this is a part of British culture and by accepting this and encouraging this, we enrich our culture

over all. And also because for me it was to at a time where we were so intensely discussing what it means to be black and understanding what the identity means in the UK, it was about presenting that in a way that's positive and also actually introducing people to the idea that this is not a new idea, This is not being thrust upon you. It's been a part

of your reality for a very long time. And if you actually look and actually understand this, then what you think are these changes that are shaken the vibrations of British society or work in society aren't. Actually they're actually part of the structure that built it. And the sooner we accept that, the more likely we are going to be able to improve our way of life and the

way we get on with each other. Because for those people that are encouraging our profiting from divisiveness, well you're not. What you've not worked out is how to replenish the dwindling resources we have in it. So you know, I'm just the so I think, yeah, I want people to look at that. I want people to look at how it's very easy for you to go the negative way that satisfies your more calmer desires, but there is a something greater if you give over to it. So yeah,

same that tweet, You're you're one of the great. Thank you, as are you? Brett Always a plank. You for letting me hang out with your brain. I absolutely love it. And I always need to have towards to meditate for an hour, and I mean half the time I'm like, it's too much, it's too much for one session. Oh no, not at all, not at all, because you know it's I just think. I just think. I like to think.

And this is the gratification that most of us want to get when we create art and or when we consume art, is that there's someone else that feels how we feel, or someone else kind of sees it the way we see it. And this internal monologue, which we don't necessarily know is a function of matter or hormone and chemical releases. Like someone's presenting it in a way we're like, oh that's how I think, And yeah, it's

that life is about a dream in it. So I always say to people, when you're interpreting dreams, you don't tend to do that along the lines of being a man or a woman, or a black or white person until you wake up and then I'm forced to interpret along these lines. And so if we can capture everybody in that dream state, then it's going to be the best way for us all to communicate because we are

beings of consciousness. So yeah, that's that's, that's what I'm trying to do anyway, just to make the world easy for us all to live in. I suppose what would you? Is there anything before we go you should tell people to look out for other than your tour show which tell the dates of that please? Oh yes, So first of all, thanks again for having me on the podcast, and thank you to everyone supporting the Patron. It was a pleasure of hanging out with you Gholstein. And please

check out my YouTube series. It is called The Eighties of the Blackness, which I did with Little Dot Studios. That's available on my YouTube channel as well. My tour begins. The final dates of the tour of the fourteenth to the nineteenth of March and Soho Theater and Yeah Babies are still available on the BBC Player. So any anyone that's interested, please go onto my social media and click on my link tree and you can find all the links to there dame backsweets, what a guy. Thank you

for coming back to that. Love to you, Love to you too, and I will speak to you see. Thank you very much, have a lovely time goodbye, my pleasure. Thanks Brett cheers Man. So was episode one hundred and eighty five. Head over to Patreon dot com forward slash Brett Golstein for the video and secrets and extra stuff with Dane. Go to Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating. But don't write about the show, right about the film that means the most to you and why.

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