Daliso Chaponda • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #159

bit into town to see them. Mate. Yeah, that's a fair point, AA Miln, well made. Every week I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include Sharon Stone, Kevin Smith, James A Castor and even Cred Fambles. But this week is the amazing comedian and start of Britain

Scott Talent Deleso Too Ponder. Get over to the Patreon at Patreon dot com forwards spect gold Steam where you get Nextra fifteen minutes with Deliso, where we talk in depth about beginnings and endings. You get a secret from him that's pretty incredible. You also get the whole episode Uncarton as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Suspect Goldstein TV homework Ted Last Thirst season two has started to get caught up on all

the episodes on Apple tv Plus. Also check out Soulmates on Amazon Prime. Mom will make you happy, the other will make you think. Hey, so I had never met Deliso before we recorded this on Zoom a couple of weeks ago. What you're hearing is our first ever conversation. He was a pure delight. I reckon you will love this one. So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and fifty nine of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to

Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein and I am joined today by a comedian, a got talenter, a got a golden buzzerer, a traveling comic, a TV comic, a hero to the country and to the world. Please welcome to the show, the brilliant Delsa Japonda. Hello, Thank you so much. I hope all of those are true. The last two particularly, I would love to be a national hero. I love it. Oh true, you're a stand up. I'm a stand up, and yet we've never met, which

is very unusual. It's lovely to meet you on this. I've obviously seen you on the old Britain's Got Talent, of which you were excellent, and I've always wondered how much of your how much of your act is not TV friendly in real life? Really like fifteen percent. The reason why I made an easy transition is that I'm pretty clean. I'm not like seinfeld squeaky clean, but I'm like eighty percent clean, so there was very little that

had to be taken out. In fact, all my discussions with them were more with stuff which was maybe a little too politically controversial, but even that I found ways to get away with it. That's really interesting. Oh that's great. Then I'd really like to hear that that it was true to your voice. Well, I started in African countries which are more conservative than the UK, so you're not doing the filth which you regularly see people doing in front of hen parties in South Africa. It's just it's

a much more Christian religious conservative nations Malawi. You know, people complain if I do anything more. You can do suggestive like Panto level where to suggesture and to double on tondra, but the full on graphic stuff is only UK. The philographic stuff, that's why you had to come to the UK. I get it. I get it. So I would have a terrible time at the gig. Oh are you very over the Oh yeah, I mean there's I wouldn't be able to just grate together five minutes. I'm

starting to think about maybe I perhaps I haven't crossed. Well, that's fantastic, And with the fifteen percent, then I want to know what that is like when you get to the fifteen percent of your staff that isn't TV friendly.

So now what I do when I'm on tour, which I never used to do before Britain's got talent, is I have an interval in the middle, and before the interval, I make sure the first half is all five year olds could watch it right then before the interval, I say, look, I know some of you brought your kids because they like me on Telly, but the second half is adult oriented. So if you're willing to take on the responsibility, they can stay. But if not, it's up to you. And

that way, I've given like a warning. So most of them still stay anyway, but they can't complain. And in a weird way, the kids almost like it in an extra way because they feel like, Oh, I'm listening to something I'm not allowed to listen to. Ah, yeah, be sorry, excited to come back after the interval. If you've been

telling I'll be like fuck, yeah, exactly exactly. And so also the parents get to be cool parents because one or two parents take them away in the other ones like it's fine, it's fine, and you back on tour now have you been? I am back on tour now. I did the first non socially distant tour date on the Friday which just passed, and it was great, but it was odd. Yeah, after a year and a half, it feels very strange. But it was lovely, lovely to

be back. Yeah. I had my first gig in a full pub and just walking in there, I was like, Oh, this don't seem right. What are these people doing? Like is it this digest? I also noticed some people were uncomfortable at the beginning. Yeah, because I did an outdoor show yesterday and I realized that people are still more comfortable with the outdoor shows, and it's got to take a few months to get comfortable with the Also, when you're packed in like sorry, means no one feels comfortable

any Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting that. But then I do I did find where the gig I was at. As soon as people had some drinks, it was all forgotten. I did. It will take a few months. I think it would take a few points. That's very true. Alcohol works better. So are you also doing club gigs or are you just doing so I'm doing a mixture.

So what I'm doing is I'm doing club gigs and then tour dates because I think this year I only have like twenty tour dates and then more of them are next year, and so I'm doing club gigs in between to polish the tour really because I wrote the tour trying it out on zoom and it's not the same. It's not the same. So I'm polishing the tour even though I'm touring it because every time I do it in a club I figure it out more. Wow. So

we so in Lockdown? Were you alone? In Lockdown? I was alone for the first four months, which was depressing, like depressing and really like I don't know if I would have managed the whole eighteen months. But then around month five, I had a friend who was in a very abusive situation and she was stuck, and so I stold her just moving with me, my place is more will make it work. And then I wasn't now living

with this person who had nowhere to go. And you know, as much as it was difficult in some respects, it was so much better than a lot. Well, man, that's amazing. Oh, I've forgotten to tell you something. Just surprise me. It's all good, okay, Well, yeah, my come as a surprise. I should have. I actually should have said it at the beginning. I was making notes. I did. This was one of my notes, but I should It's awkward. I'll just say, as you say it, say you've died, You're dead? No, yeah, no,

I had so much left to do. I know you had this out. You just figured it out. Yeah? Did anyone film it? Fuck? Oh? No? Oh no? No, how did you die? It actually makes sense because I did a gig and the gig went so well that afterwards they stormed the stage to carry me off, and I think they trampled me to death. So I died in a fan stampede. I think that was it. You were trampled by love. Yes, if you've got to go, it's

very painful, but at least you're leaving in a positive emotion. Listen, I think the Wholemark Channel one day we'll make a film called Trampled by Love, the delays story. That's a good way to go. Do you worry about death. I don't worry about death. I worry about the death of family and the death of friends, but I don't worry about my own death, right, that's the main thing. I just worry about losing people. Yeah, And what do you

think happens when you die? I believe there's a next stage, if not many next stages, So I don't believe it's it's over. I'm not sure what it is, but I definitely believe that there's something different that happens. And I actually think it might be even different for different people because everything's complicated. Because everything's complicated. Yeah, because I'm always like, the world is so complicated with different flora and fauna,

and there's so much complicity complexity in life. Why do people think death will death will be simple? Yeah? Yeah, so you think it's like a different level, like as in do you believe then based on merit, as in if you've lived a good life. No, I'll explain. I'll explain a metaphor which resonated with me. So I'm not even sure what religion I am, but for a while I thought was Behigh. Now I'm not sure, but I

agree with a lot of the Behigh faith. And one of the metaphors which one of them said to me, was, you know, when you're a baby, you've got fingers and you've got eyes. You don't use them, you don't know what they're for. They don't matter when you're in a fetus, and then you're born, and suddenly these things have a reason. And similarly, when you're alive they're stuff which doesn't make any sense, like suffering, things which puzzle us. And then when you go to the next stage, they're like the

fingers and eyes, and you suddenly understand why these things happened. Right, and that I've always thought there's a stage which we don't understand, but we're being prepared for that is coming up. That's one of the best things I've ever heard. If you want to go now, you can, no, No, because I remember when the person said it, it just felt you know, when things just resonate, they feel true even

though you don't know why. There was something about it where I was like, yeah, this, this seems to seems to be that interesting, particularly about like the suffering and stuff. If you guys are next level, you're like, oh, yeah, cool, So I use that for blah blah blah. Yeah ah, god, I really like that. That's very good. And you're not scared of your own death. I'm not scared of my own death. I mean, like I you know, when I'm in a plane and it starts turbulence, I'm like, ah,

I feel the fear in that moment. I feel fear, Like you know, when I was in a car and we were rare ended. I felt fear in that moment. But I don't think about death when I'm not in a moment where it's showed its face. Yeah. Okay, well that's good. Well I've got some news for you. There is a heaven, There is the next stage, and you're right, there is. It's different for different people. You're one, it's fucking brilliant. Your one is is top banana and it's

filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? My favorite thing is probably, oh, this is I don't know if this will get me ejected from heaven half naked women, okay, so just my answer is getting me demoted to hell. So you this heaven is absolutely full of half naked women. And by the way, they've all got tremendous personalities and they're completely autonomous. Of course, of course they're not. They're not there to please you. They just happen. They're just there.

They're just There're just they're everywhere and in this in this heaven, everyone is. They're very excited to see you, all these half naked women. They're very excited to see you, as usual, I imagine, but in this place, what they want to know about is they want to know about your life through the medium of film. Yes, the first thing they ask you is, what is the first film that you remember seeing, delsa chiponder. The first film I remember seeing is actually My Fair Lady, No Ship. Yes,

that's my mum's film. No. Yeah. When I lived in Zambia where I was born, we only owned like three movies for the first six seven years of my life, and I was not allowed to watch one of them, which was Scarface, right, and I was not interested in another one of them, which was Cramer versus Kramer. But I loved My Fair Lady. I remember watching it and I was like, wow, it was singing and dancing in all sorts. And I must have watched it like seventy times when I was a little kid, because it was

the one I was allowed to watch. Then we got Sound of Music, and I was also allowed to watch it, and I think musicals were just My parents were like, kids can watch this, Yeah, I love that. Do you have siblings? Yes, I have three older siblings. Wow. And so what's the age difference to you? So four before the next one and then two? So four six eight? Okay, so you had a baby, yes, and you're watching they

watching with you? Were you on your OD? Yes. It's interesting because I barely remember it because I was so young. I just remember singing along, because it's not even that I remember the movie itself because I was so young, But I have memories of singing along to the songs which I liked. What's your favorite song from My Fair Lady? My favorite song? As an adult now, I don't think I appreciated the humor back then. Was just you Waite

Henry Higgins, just you White, where she's fantasizing about killing him. Well, when I was a little kid, it was lots of chocolate for me to eat. But now as an adult, I love the homicidal fantasy. YEA, just putting out there to anyone who's listening, who may be a Broadway producer, would you be interested in playing Henry Higgins in Oh, I would love to do. I would love to do Henry Higgins. It would almost be like my life has

been built up to this moment. Oh my god. And that would suit much more than like I'm doing a panto for the first time. Yeah, And you know, I don't know if I'll be suited to there's something like Henry Higgins. I know, I know, I would know, I would know how to do that. He's part of you. What panto are you doing? Well, it's not yet confirmed, but it seems like I'll be one of the funny characters like simple Sam or Wishy Washy or something like that in one of these. And I've never done it

before because it's very British. Yeah, it doesn't exist. And the first time I went to watch one, I did not understand what was going on. But I feel like I've been here enough that I can now do it. It's a very unique sense of humor. I'm going to tell you something to Lisa. I've seen maybe three or four pantas in my life and I don't understand. And I'm British. Yeah, I do not understand what is going guys. It's very weird. It's very weird, very unique. Yeah, and

it's weird that it isn't anywhere else. But then I'm mostly like, well, how would you translate this anywhere else? Well, interestingly, I think you know, the Rocky Horror Picture show, Yes, is as close to a panto that people in the rest of the world have been introduced to because it was written by someone British. But it has all that yelling at the screen and yelling and stuff like that, which again, why are you yelling at people on stage? Show?

I don't understand it. But again it's it's it's very and all sorts of fact. Is it for adults? Is it for kids? It's for kids, But that joke, that joke's not for kids. It fascinating. Yeah, that would be so interesting as someone who has been taught to deal with hecklers. If you've actively got an audience shout again, you might you might be horrible in its shut up, shut up, I'll be giving them put downs and exactly, that's that's really interesting. Okay, what is the film that

made you cry the most? Are you a cryer? Well, this is the thing. I haven't cried since I was eleven. Okay, so I don't cry. What do you attribute that take? Well, I went to an old boys' school first, where there was a lot of bullying, a lot of violence, a lot of stuff like that. And I know this isn't the truth, but to my kid's self, crying was them winning. Wow. And there was a time when I thought to myself, Yeah, you can beat me up, but I'm not going to give you the win of making me cry. And so

I forced myself not to. So many years later I was like, oh, actually it's healthy to cry and so on. And then I tried to cry and I couldn't make myself cry. And that's where actually, this what my answer would be, is the movie which I tried to make myself cry with because I watched a movie and I

felt myself welling up, but I didn't cry. So then I watched the scene again, and I watched the scene again trying to get there, and it was actually, I don't know if you've ever watched mister Holland Opus, Oh my god, I have watched it. Was it beautiful boy?

You know that? Oh No, it wasn't beautiful boy. It was at the end, he's he's been unappreciated his whole life, and they play open they play his opus to him, and when he when he goes up to conduct his opus, and he wells up and then he starts that got me. That got me, And I was like, oh, I'm gonna cry. And it didn't happen, but I felt the emotion. I felt the emotion. That's so fascinating. So you so you

haven't cried because of that bloody school since you're eleven? Yeah, I mean I used to cry a lot when I was at that school, and it was just it was always like I always felt like I was losing in the corner of a dormitory, weeping, and and it was just like, no, I'm not gonna let him win. I'm not gonna win. And I'm not the only one. I know a lot of people do this. And then much later in life when you know it's healthy, it's hard to reverse what you spent years forcing yourself to stop doing.

And I guess it's a thing with you. I mean I relate to some of this, as in, I still not comfortable crying in front of anyone, but I can do it on my own in the cinema that as well the cinema rap. Yeah, if I'm on my own, Yes, Yes, I also think it's it's always there's something about people being appreciated that gets me, because I almost again I felt myself welling up. Did you watch Judy, which is

about Judy Garland. No, I've not seen that one. There's a scene where she can't sing because she's so emotional, and these two gay people who are her fans, who've been coming every day, they stand up and they start singing for her, and then she gets enough strength, and again it got me. I don't ever never do I well up when it's tragedy, like someone dies. But it's that kind of people being appreciated of that thing gets

me that gets me. I worry. I guess the worry is if you did finally cry, you'd never stop, because you never stop. I'm catching for over twenty years. Oh my god, for the listener. If you've never seen mister Holland's Opus, Opus, Opus, Yeah, I've always said Opus. There's a sequence in it. He's a music teacher and there's a sequence he has a deaf son and his son, and he gets frustrated with his son because he's son. He sort of has a falling out of his son.

His son's difficult, and and it's because he sort of claimed he doesn't understand music right because the sun is deaf. Yes, And eventually he puts on his show for the Sun that is a light show that is kind of designed to express music to his son, Yes, exactly, sings to him and Mine's Beautiful Boy by John Lennon. Oh my god, I'm crying telling you. It It fantastic, isn't it. It's a fantastic movie. It's a fantastic Yeah. Lovely answer, lovely earns for hasn't come up ten points. What's the film

that scared you, Demise? What about being scared? You like it? Being scared? I like fear, like psychological fear. I don't like jump scares, okay, And the film which I think scared me the most, it had me on edge. The whole way was twenty eight days later. And I'll tell you why, because in most horror movies, the music tells you what's coming. So if there's a monster, because the music is making you expect it in twenty eight days later. I believe it was Danny Boyle. He did it with

no music cues. It was just silence. And then the silence then ended up making you more tense because it never stops and it could be at any moment. Oh that really got me, really got me, very very good, very good answer. What is the film that you love but people don't like it critically, is not acclaimed, but you see and by it. I'm sure other people have said it, But it's Star Wars, The Phantom Menace. So much backlash, so many people to this day going on

about it. I love it. I loved it then, I loved it now if I'm having a bad day, I just watch a bunch of Star Wars movies. I don't understand the backlash. Oh my god, I just love it. And anytime someone starts talking crap about it, I'm like, leave George Lucas alone. Okay, okay, it's love me. Oh that's great. You stand up for it, have you? You

must have? And for the list, I don't look. Maybe this is a well worn path, but I only found it out in the I think Jason shared it with us in the Ted last I write it's from little backstage secret for you. There the theory that Jajar Binks was intended to be the villain of the prequel trilogy. Have you ever heard that theory? I've heard that theory. I know that was just it's just people love doing fun theories. I think he was pretty solid theory. He's got The guy who came up with it has so

much evidence to back it up. And the idea was, the plan was he was going to be the villain, but people hated him so much they had to change the story. It's a good idea. It's a great idea. It's a great idea. I really like it. What's the film that you used to love? You loved it with all your heart, and then you've watched it recently and you thought, oh no, that is not for me. Well it's interesting because I think it's when you get additional information,

you can't enjoy old things. So there's no information ruins it, so Robinson Crusoe, right, which I loved as a kid. I don't know if you've what Robinson Crusoe, but Robinson Crusoe in the book. Once you've read the book, do you know what he was up to before he got marooned? No, but I do. Selling slaves. Yes, okay, he was selling slaves. I cannot It's just I didn't know that. That's what he was. He was on his bite for that was what he was. That's what he was. He was a

slaver who got marooned. And then he finds this and you would think when you see the plot that, okay, he's marooned, and then he meets this guy, man Friday. This is going to be a thing where he learns to value the kind of person who used to order around. No, he just orders him around too. I can't watch it now. I can't watch it now knowing the you know, colonial mindset of Daniel the Foe and so on. But yeah, I can't. I can't watch it. So he was on

a boat with slaves, he gets shipwrecked. Man Friday is not one of the slaves Man Fridays on the island. No, he's a he's a native on the island a cannibal who he meets and convinces out of being a cannibal, makes him a Christian, but also essentially makes him a servant. And how easy? How easy? Like how quickly does that happen? So he's gone from happening lies the slaves to just one. It happens really really quickly. And again they could have

been written as equals, you know what I mean. Like, he's also, in fact, he knows nothing about surviving on an island. He only survives because of the knowledge of this savage. How does it end? So it all ends happily? Take man Friday with him. Yeah, and he doesn't that's not in the book, that's it. But he just he doesn't learn anything. He doesn't learn anything. God, that is so like I did not know that was the story,

right Robin's crea. Of course in every movie version, none of that's in it, right, But now that I know that that's the real version, that's where the book comes from. Doesn't matter if Disney or anyone makes a version, I'll be like, you're you're leaving out a very significant detail, aren't you. That's so fascinating as well? And if you know anything about like no, so you get from producers

about making characters likable. It's amazing that there was a writer who said, I've got this story and the lead character. You'll love him? Will we love him? Yeah? Yeah, he's a slave. He's a slave. Yes, But I think it also shows you in that time it wasn't even considered negative. It was just like, I'm creating a character. What should I make him a carpenter? He sells slaves? Yeah, let's do slaves. Was not remotely considered it. Yeah, what's going

to be more useful for the story. If he's a carpenter, he's probably not going to have that much struggle on the island. He's a slaver. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's extraordinary. All right. I'm giving you thirty points for that because I learned something. What is the film that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because the experience you had around seeing the film will always make it special

to you. Well, it initially started out very awkward. So I watched I think it's called A Guy and two Girls. It's it's with Robert Downey Jr. Right, Oh, yes, it's that's the one. That's the one, and I happened to buy just the luck of flipping channels. Start watching this with my mother. Extremely awkward, right, because you know, essentially it's about it three sermon, infidelity and all this stuff.

Very awkward, but led to the most crazy open discussion about morality and fidelity and marriage and secrets of my mother's marriage and stuff that would never have come up. But because we were just talking about this movie. Yeah, I found out so much that I would never have wanted to ask my mother, do you know what I mean? It led to this fascinating conversation and no regrets. Now

you know your additional information, No regrets, no regrets. It was really interesting because it was triggered by a line in the movie which I'm paraphrated, but it was it was something like people are more complicated than you think. And my mother was agreeing with that and going on and because I didn't believe it was realistic and she felt it was realistic, and then she started telling me that people you're young, but you know, people are much

more complicated than you think. This sort of stuff happened and she explained, and it was crazy that is fascinating. And now you're older, are you like, oh, yeah, people fucking everyone's incredibly Yes. Yes, I think I've also realized that a normal relationship is a myth correct and yeah, your whole life, all your until your twenties, you are

expecting a normal relationship. Yeah, it doesn't exist. Yeah, it's really interesting, and I think it is also why I mean it's it's almost a cliche to say, but it's true, is that most love stories in the mainstream are about people getting together then, not about afterwards. They're not about afterwards because afterwards is messy and you can't have that nice, simple cherry on top ending unless you you ended before

things get complicated. But there's a book I love, Time Traveler's Wife, which is actually a horrible movie, but the book has this amazing scene where someone is saying, oh, you know, the reason why Lois Lane doesn't find out that Superman is Superman is it makes for more interesting stories. And the woman who's the main characters like, no, I don't think you're right at all. I think it's more interesting if she knew, and because she knows that her

husband time travels, and it creates all kinds of interesting thing. Man, that's really good stuff. That's really good stuff. What's the sexiest film you've ever seen? Now this is going to sound very weird, but I actually think the sexiest film I've ever seen is Interview with a Vampire. That makes sense, it does. It's very sexy film. It's got fangs and this kind of danger, and it's set in this previous

era and it's just oozing sexuality. It's just and I was like, I don't know if that is the response I'm meant to be having to this movie. It is very exciting. Yeah, And there's a there's a great scene where they in where it's a show. There's a show going on, and they bring up a woman from the Then they later and the audience aren't sure if it's real, and everyone sort of collapsed, and then it's like, oh,

what's happened? And I think it's all shot in a way to play with you, because even though it's horrific, it's all shot very stylistically and sexy. Yes, very much Interview with a Vampire, I mean an excellent answer. It says a lot about you. I love it, which which makes me now very excited and nervous about the subcategory question, which is traveling, bonus worrying. Why does a film found a rousing? You weren't sure you should now, interestingly, I

have screwed it up. I've screwed it up. Interview with the Vampire was meant to be that answer, and then the one which was extremely sexy, which is meant to be is bound by the washout Bound is sexy? Yes, exactly, So I confused the two. I confused the two from the wording of the question. But yes, Bound, extremely sexy, sexy women, leather, the mafia. It's all just sexy, it's all.

And it was also like practice for filming the Matrix, because like it's all obsessed with leather and the camera focusing on people in very sexy positions, very cool, very shot with a telephone chorde, going through wires, going down ceilings. I mean that's sexy, hundred percent, the telephone chord sexy film. Yes, yes, yes, yes, so that was the one which no shame, Yes, I continue extremely sexy and interview the Vampire. I'm not sure I should be as interested as I am. Yeah, okay, okay,

that is good, that is correct. What is the film that you must relate to delete such. It's very recent actually, but Dolomite is my name. I fucking loved that film. It's so good and I you know, and it's also I kind of feel like Eddie Murphy's love letter to being a stand up because I feel like it captures why I love it and also the kind of comedian I am, because I really love that he was a

guy who his talent was just doing it. He wasn't a genius, he was just like he like he made movies even though he was a bit pudgy and he shouldn't be the leading character, and he was like, no, I'm gonna be the leading character. And there's a really funny scene where he is stressing out because he's like, no one wants to see me in a sex scene, and this woman's like, let's just make it funny, and so they made it funny. And I was like, if I'm ever in a movie and I have to do

a sex scene, that's gonna be my only way. I would just be like, let's make it funny and just but also just that feeling appreciated and that moment where everyone started applauding and started going, well is my entire life. Because I had a long time where I was performing and I loved it and I thought I was good, and then suddenly I had a turning point where suddenly I'm getting acclaim for it. So that's the one I

relate to a hundred times. I'm sure you've talked about it loads and loads, but it isn't to be taken lightly. It's a big fucking deal doing Britain's got talent. He's huge, huge deal because before that I was fun. It was that thing of you felt that you're funny, but no one else agrees. You know, you're you're struggling to pay your rent and your family's telling you it's not too late to go back to UNI and do something else. And it was just that moment where I was like, yes,

I haven't been wasting my time. You see, Yeah, were you ner? I wasn't nervous till the final. I was just because I literally did it thinking like I had done a bunch of other competitions. Okay, I had done you know, America meets World. I had done all the British ones like Laughing Horse. So I just went on, it's another competition I probably won't do well because I usually just do okay in these, but you know, it's rolling the dice, and it just went so well. I

was more surprised than anyone else. I knew I wouldn't do terribly, but I didn't expect a golden buzzer or to change my life. So it was amazing. That was amazing. Wow, man, that's cool. I wish you had ended and ended your set by screaming you see, I told you I would be wonderful, told okay, all right, well thanks for coming.

Um so yeah is my name? I love that film and it is really interesting because it's like his gift was You're right in terms of like people loved him and love him, and his gift wasn't necessarily he wasn't the greatest, most brilliant, any of it, but it was like joy. His gift was joy and joy and energy termination and energy. Oh yes, wonderful. You just liked being near him and it was Yeah, it's a real magic. Objectively, what's the greatest film ever made? I believe life is beautiful?

Oh my days, life is beautiful. She's not aware of it. It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. But it's set in a concentration camp. Ye, right. But the beautiful thing about it is the humor is served in a father using humor to shield his son from the horror therein by making him think it's a game and keeping him laughing. And it was funny, it was moving, and it also changed how I approached comedy because until I watched that, I was just trying to be funny.

And then I watched it and I was like, humor can do that. And that was the moment when I started trying to be more ambitious in what I tried to talk about. Me doing jokes about slavery or colonialism would never have happened if I hadn't watched that. And I realized that humor is actually the perfect thing to talk about uncomfortable, horrible things. And I watched it probably every year at some moment. It's just I love it, absolutely love it. That's brilliant to here. I really loved

that film. I haven't wasted it for a long time, and it's one I think Jojo Rabbit. It occupies a similar space, only in terms of both films were very controversial and people like, you can't you can't use humor in these situations but again I would say like in both situations, it's like, yeah, but the humor isn't. The human is not on the wrong side of this, it's not. And I actually think it was really received with a lot less controversy than Georgio Rabbit because it won all

the Oscars. And yeah, yeah, because it was made by he put his own money in it. So it was made by essentially the Italian Charlie Chaplin. Yeah, Roberto Benini, who just used to to act in delightful but silly movies. It was like made like it was as if Adam Sandler he directs this crazy warm movie out of nowhere. Yeah, it's really it's really good. And the last it's it's

quite subtle. For Yeah, there's so much in it. I remember in the final moment with him, like the last thing you see of him, like it's in hindsight, so heartbreaking. But yeah, yeah, and there's scene where the little kid just runs away like it's true, it's all true, and yeah, we won the tank. It's it's just it's beautiful. It's beautiful. What a great answer. I'm going to give you forty points for that. Fantastic What is the film that you could or have watched the most over and over again.

There's an answer which is probably true, but I'm sure people have said it too many times. So then I have the one which is probably the second most, which is less common, So the one I've watched over and over again because whenever it's on, I end up watching the rest of it is the Shot Shine Redemption, which is like a perfect movie. I've seen it again and again. But I figure loads of people what probably said that.

They do a lot of people said it for that, because that's quite a hard film, Like I don't think people are like, really, I watched that over and over again. It's I think a lot of people think it's the greatest, but I don't think it's It's like a rewatcher on loop. Oh no, no, I do we watch. Not that I watch it from straight, but literally, if I'm in a hotel in some after some gig and I'm flipping channels and I'm like, oh, sure, shank, there you go, that's

the next two hours. I mean, like, anytime I find it, I think I'll watch one scene and then I get sucked in. So there's that one. But then the one, which I think is just me is Speed. Speed is fucking great. It's so great. I still feel it's the perfect action movie. It's like clockwork and it just oh again, I can't watch one scene. If I catch it in progress anywhere, and I watch one scene, I'm watching to

the end. Speed is really great. And I'm sorry if I've ever talked about this on the podcast before, but I've done a lot of episodes and I may once have said this, but Speed one is a near perfect You're right, it's a perfect idea. He's on a bus, the bus needs to keep going above fifty or a bomb's going to go off. And then the thing that is so fascinating is the sequel, Speed to Cruise Control is set on a cruise ship, which is such a

terrible idea, just concept. Why why not a plane or a trade yes that goes fast and has obstacles in the way. A cruise ship doesn't go very fast to start with, and there's nothing in the way of it because it's in the sea. So in terms of like, oh, what's it going to hit and stuff? Nothing, it's in

the sea. Occasionally it might come across something, but hopefully you can warn people in time to get out of the way because you're only going about I don't know how fast they go, but it don't seem very fast because there's nothing in the way of them. There's nothing in the way, and there's no keyana reefs. It's just no. Yeah.

I mean that's that's the real, the real down. But it's so mad that that was like there must have been many a long long meeting about what next, what can we make has to go under I mean, it has to keep going over thirty and they probably were like, oh, those ones are too obvious, let's surprise them with a boat. And that was the worst cruise ship. So yeah, really terrible. Now, I don't like to be negative. I don't suspect you do either. We'll do it quickly. But what's the worst

film you've ever seen? Now? This is one where it's just I think I was too dumb, right, I've what Jacob's ladder, yes, And I got very confused. I'm very bad with surrealism and just kind of dream sequences and I just kept looking around, like what's going on? What is going on? Maybe now this many years later, I should try it again and I will be able to understand it. But at the time I was just like,

what's the point of this, what's going on? Well, I don't think you get the answer to what's going on until right at the end, so you do have to stick with it. I mean, it is an hour and a half of maddening, maddening confusion, yes, but then at the end, you guys, and by the way, this is what this is what it's about. Okay, Well even I don't remember, but I just remember the pain. Yeah, that's

fair enough. I know that when it comes to narratives, I'm unexperimental like so, when I'm reading fiction, I wanted to be told in a straight line. I don't want letters to be flying around the page in some kind of literary experiment. When I'm watching a movie, I don't want characters to be changing their faces every scene and some kind of avant garde thing. I'm like, no, just tell me a simple story. Well right, yeah, it can be deep and make me think afterwards, but it should

be told simpler. Yeah, the bus is going to go, yes, yes, nice and simple. Has to get from here to here, right, no flashback, Keeth, simple, brilliant. Now you're in comedy, you're very funny. What's the film that made you laugh the most. This was actually in a cinema and I was laughing so hard people kept looking at me. Four Lions a fucking great film. Robert Digney Rapids. It's so funny. It is so funny, and I also it was also one

of those ones where like life is beautiful. I don't know how he's making this subject funny, but it's hilarious. It was so funny. It was so funny. It's I'm vaguely obsessed with that film. I think it's it's profound, that film, and it's proper funny, and it's something about

the one of the ways of looking at it. I always think he's right at the beginning when you see that they're making a hostage video, they're making a threat video, and he's saying I'm going to he's trying to threaten people, and then they cut and they go your guns too small, your machine gun looks like a toy gun. It's not threatening enough. And it's just the reality of going, oh, yeah, these videos that's scared that you've been scared of. They

also had to make these. You might be watching take three, you might be watching Take ten. They had to set up their background you know, and as soon as you make it human, it's like, oh, it's not scary, it's just very much that. And also the fact that terrorists are probably idiots, yeah, because you have to be a bit of an idiot if you're like, this is how I'm going to solve my problems. And it embraces that to the most wonderful level. Y so wonderful, and it

still has empathy for them. It has so much empathy for them. You feel for them. And they're stupid, they're misguided, but they're you know, they have a heart. I mean, it's a really I was amazed you actually empathized for the empathized for them. Yeah. Yeah, it's a brilliant piece of work. That. Oh my god, it's good. Well done, Well done, Chris Morris. I'm going to give you sixty points for bringing up four lions excellent delsach a point that you have been an absolute delight. I can't believe

we've just met. I loved talking to you. Now. The last thing I have to say is when you were doing a showy but it's probably the best show you ever did, and the audience leapt to their fitt You hadn't even done your en care. You were going to do an encore. But the audience, they loved you so much, it was like they didn't even it didn't cross their mind that you hadn't given them all that you had, because it felt like they can't be any there can't be more. What we've just seen is perfect. And they

ran towards as one, like a collective madness. Let's pick him up, let's pick him up. And they stormed the stage and you were like, oh wow, and a bit overwhelmed, but it's but they ran too fast, and they ran up the stage like like orcs in the two towers, going towards Helm's Deep, and they got on top of you to try and pick you up, but there was a rush, too much of a rush, and they started. You fell underneath some of them, and they the crowds

were coming faster and faster. We love you, we love you, we love you. But they didn't understand the people, but they were going, wait, we'll wait. The people at the back were still pushing forward, and you were trampled by love to death and the entire crowd just kept running over you until you were dead. No one knew you were dead. Phrases. There were rumors spread around the crowd like or maybe someone already got him at the front. He must be and we must already be carrying him

into the streets. So people filed out the fire exits thinking this, thinking that the front of this crowd, this big, snaking crowd going through soho had you at the front of it? But it didn't. You were smashed into the stage. And I came along to see you after the show, you know it, said well, yeah, we'll meet up show we can talk about it. I've come there. I'm like, where's de Liso and the stagemen I says, I think

he got carried out on everyone's shoulders. And I'm like, well, what's that on the stage And he goes, oh, I don't know. We go over to the stage and there's a fucking I only describe as a puddle with bones in it, a bony puddle in the stage. There's splinters in it. Also, I'm like, oh my god, he's been trampled by love. So I go, right, well, I've got a coffin with me. You know what I'm like, So asked the stage manager. You can give me a hand, he says, Now, I'm clocking off earlier. I go all right,

so I'm on my own. So I have to peel you off the stage. There's bits of wood coming off with you. There's bits of nails coming off with you. There's blood everywhere. I'm scraping everything I can into the coffin. I stuff you all in there. There's a lot more of you than I was expecting because of all this trampling. There's really no room in this coffin. There is only enough room for me to slip one DVD into the side for you to take across to the other side.

And on the other side, it's Maybe night every night. What film are you taking to show the people of heaven when it is your Maybe night? Deleat such a ponda, I think I am taking This is an odd one. But I just love this movie. It's called Smiller's Sense of Snow. Smiller's Sense. I don't know if you've seen it. It's so good. It's so good if essentially the little blurb is a little boy dies on the snow, like on a snowy roof. He commits suicide off the snowy roof.

But there's a woman who she grew up in Greenland and she knows all about snow, and she looks at the footprints and she knows that isn't what happened, and it's like, it's just absolutely fascinating. And the character, the main character is actually almost unlikable, but it's just a tough, strong person and you understand why she's that like that, and it's just a mean Smiller's sense of snow, that's the one. Why unbelievable and no one saw that coming outswer. Oh,

it's so good. It's so good. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's worth it's worth looking at. It's one of those unsung sort of you watch it and you're like, why didn't this get a lot more? Um? I actually think it preceded things like Girl with a Dragon Tattoo. It's that's sort of same kind of Nordic. Do you know why I think that film wasn't massive purely because of the title. Yes, you should have that. It makes you expect something else, it makes you strict

at something else. It should have been called Snow Death or Snow Snow Tile. Yes, you're entirely right, entirely right. Smilla's sense of snow sounds confusing and like it artie, and it's not an art film. It's a it's a really good detective thing. Listen, I'm going to ask you this. I would like to put this out in the world. Do you reckon? You could sing us just one verse? You can do any any bit you like in my fair lady. I just want to get this. I want

to make this happen. Okay, um, what's this? Uh? Okay, let me actually just get it. I appreciate I'm putting you on the spot. You don't have to do it, but let's get you that job. Okay. I can't sing, but I'm gonna do this just because it's going to be funny and shambolic. Okay, here we go. I'm going to do a little bit lyric find here we go. I'm going to do one verse of I'm getting married in the morning. Perfect. Okay, here we go. Oh, they don't have the lyrics. Okay, so I'm gonna have to

do it based on my memory. You would think the internet is for these things to get married again. I can't do the accents. This is why I'll never get it. I can't do cock me actors. But let me believe in you. I'm getting married in the morning. Ding dong, the bells are going a chime. Pull out the stopper. Let's have a whoppa. But get me to the church

on time. As an aside, that character the dad in My Fair Lady, it's actually from the play by George Bernard Shaw without the singing, is such an amazing character. De Lisa like a grifter. He's lazy, but he's lovable. Oh, he's so lovable. You are getting on that stage. Listen this year, pante next year, My fair Lady, start the singing lessons. Now, get anyone who's listening to this. You

passed that moment around. Let's get him the first. Fantastic Lisa, is there anything you'd like to people to look out for coming up? I suppose you have your tour. I'm on tour. I'm on tour. It's called apocalypse. Not now. Hopefully you're listening to this. We're not in another lockdown. Come see me live well while we are able to to be in the same room, come and be in the same room. Trample him with love. Don't trample him with love, just just love and clap. We love all right,

I've loved this. Thank you so much for doing this. I hope you have a no thank you. It's been actually a pleasure. This one's been lovely, a wonderful time, and I will hopefully see you in real life soon. Good day, fantastic, Thank you so much so. That was episode one hundred and fifty nine. Head over to patreon dot com forward Slaspect Goals scene for the extra fifty minutes of chat, secrets and video with Deliso. Go to Apple Podcasts. Give us a five star rating. But don't

tell me what you think of the show. I'm not interested in what you think of the show. What I want to know is what's the film that means the most to you and why it's lovely to read that stuff. I do read it. It It helps numbers more in loves. It always makes head cry and we really appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you so much to Deliso for doing the show, Thanks for scrubs pipping the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to ACRS

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