Camille Ucan - The Resurrection • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #161

I love that kind of proactiveness. It's very inspiring. Every week I invite a special guest over, I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most of them. But not this week. This week I use my newly acquired shamanic powers to bring back a former guest from the dead and ask them twelve new questions. And this week it's the return of the amazing, incredible Camille ou Chan.

Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get an extra twenty five minutes of chat with Camille. You get more questions, you get a secret. You also get the whole thing uncut and as a video. All that and more over at patreon dot com. Forward slash Brett Golstein your TV homework as usual, get caught up on season two of Ted Lasso on an Apple TV Plus app. Then What Soulmates on Amazon Prime. One will make you happy, the other

will make you thinky thin key. Yes, this is episode one hundred and sixty one. Camire lu Chan is a sketcho, a podcaster, an award winning writer, and an incredible actor. If you never heard her first episode on this podcast, go back and find it. It is truly one of the top five episodes. I was delighted to bring her back from the dead so we could check in on

her severe death anxiety. We got to talk about her work, we talked about her life, and we even discussed her husband, James McNicholas, the amazing other guest I've had before twice his book. He has written The Champ and the Chump, which is incredible and what that book means to her. We checked with James. He was happy with us talking about him on this He said, yes, So when you hear that bit, don't worry. We checked it with him.

He's all out of it. He's amazing like that. As always, Camille was the best and I think you will love this one. So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and sixty one of Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. Hello, and

welcome to Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by a sketch, a stand up, a writer, a playwright, an award nominee and award winner, the head of all of children's television, and the wife and of an incredible guest, and her herself being one of the top five episodes of all time on this podcast, Please welcome back to the show. To defend her title, it's the brilliant, it's the wonderful, it's the amazing. Welcome back to the show.

It's completely change lovely to be back. You're I feel like when I first did your pod it was successful, but not the dizzy heights that it is today. Well, and I think most of that's down to you. I think most people would agree that your episode is the favorite, certainly top five, and I've had a lot genuinely contact me to say that your episode taught them to handle their death anxiety better, which only makes me think that they must have listened to you and going, well, I'm

not that bad. Yeah, exactly that. I mean when you told me that someone had messaged you that that baffled me because I I when I listened to it back, I thought, God, I'm buying on about its films to be buried with when you talk about death, but are really lean into death rather than film in that in that recording. Oh, I love it. I love the deaths. Oh, I'm glad. I'm glad to help people. I think. I

think a lot of people have death anxiety, don't they? Yeah, And I would imagine that this past year is either it made that worse or better for some people. Now in your case, probably two years since we did the episode, a year and a half. Yeah, is your mayor ask how your death anxiety is treating you these days? It it's up and down. Yeah, like all the Love Island

relationships happened down. It's Yeah. Obviously during the pandemic, you're watching the news every day literally seeing a death toll, and you're reading about death a lot that the threat of death is suddenly all around you, especially in the early days of the pandemic where no one really oh in the good old days, yea, oh, in the good old days when no one really knew, you know, what was what were far away from a vaccine and all that blah blah blah. Yeah, it got quite bad, and

I was working as well a bit. Obviously, all acting got canceled. I was able to write from home, which was I was very lucky. But I carried on doing a bit of support work and going there and working there and having to try and explain what was, you know, going on when people were asking about the virus and why can't we go out, and why can't we do this? And you know, what's going to happen and all these questions that what did you used to say? I used to say. I used to basically say, no one knows

for sure exactly what's going to happen. But I used to try and say that in the most sort of positive, upbeat way possible to try and not worry anybody. And actually the adults that I work, we've all dealt with it really well. And I felt really lucky actually that I also to do care work, and I was able to go out to work and see people and work with people. I think sort of I was doing that every week, and for me, I felt like I was so lucky that I got to go out, you know,

and work. But yeah, it was hard to talk about something that you are yourself sort of scared of and don't really understand. So it got bad. But I feel like a lot of people talked to you about this on the pod. I started therapy and it's helped a lot. Started therapy in January of this year, Thank you very much. And yeah, we've talked about death anxiety among lots of other things. And interestingly, yes, please, she I don't think

I've told you this. She thinks a lot of my death anxiety is linked to the job that I do, and that feeling of every new project you start it's going to come to an end, and you don't know where your next project is necessarily going to come from, and you're constantly doing things that they don't necessarily have a sort of life longevity or long life. Yeah, they're always ending, they're always dying. Yeah, and you can literally die on stage. Well, there you go. Yeah, here's my question.

Do you think your death anxiety comes from the work you do, or do you think the work you do you were drawn to because of your death anxiety. I'm not sure. I feel like I have always had, even before I started acting and writing. I feel like as a child, I always had an anxious brain and would get worried about, you know, the prospect of death. So I think it came before the job. Maybe it's maybe it's what drew me to it. Yeah, maybe the job

is like better the devil, you know, invented for a song? Yeah. What what do you remember the first time you worried about death? Yeah? I think I was very young, like probably primary school age, and I think i'd seen I went through a phase I'd seen I'd seen something on the news or a program about a brain tumor, and I think I've sort of got fixated on this idea of you could just you could just have that right, and that could kill that could maybe kill you. Yeah.

I started sort of, yeah, being really worried about it, talking to my mom about it. Yeah. I haven't got a brain to you, but I haven't got a brain to about that kind of thing. Oh we can laugh about it now, Yeah, it's very sweet, a little three year old constantly asking if you've got a brain tumor. Even before that, I think I was aware of the concept of death in a scary way of My mum remembers when my sister was born. There's about five years between us, and I didn't deal very well with the

fact that there was another child on the scene. And at five years old, I think I was actually watching Telly or watching a film and my baby sister was crying and it was pissing me off. So I put her in the hallway, shut the door, and my mum came in and I was like, why have you put her in the hallway? I was like, she was really annoying me. And then I followed it up by saying, if there was a fire in the house, would yasm and burn and die? Really love her? I love her now.

I love spending time with her. Could this happened before this brain tumor? Gets me? Well? Where we were? So? Yeah, you know, I don't feel so morbid about you know, I don't get so mordal. And when I talk about it now, I think I've sort of a try and

try and keep it light. Has the therapy therapist, as they're known in the trade, the therapy therapist is she has she given you any kind of practical tool or something when you're overwhelmed by death anxiety, and if so, could you save us or some therapy and tell us. There is something called a thought record, and she sent me this, um, this little do you know what? I might have it here that I can quickly reference it here it is. Yeah, so the thought record. Absolutely love this, Okay,

it's brilliant. I don't know if this is like trademarks to her and I'm giving this away. I don't think so. I think it's kind of universal thing giving it away, But you know, helping people for free. And that's what we're about one exactly, exactly exactly, especially the res action. I've come back to life with all this wisdom. Exactly. So, you're in the situation you've got a hot thought, that's what she calls it, a hot thought that you're spiraling

into that hot thought that's bringing you down. You've got to write down exactly what situation you're in, who's there, what's happening, when is it happening, where are you? Then you've got to think about the mood that you're in, you're what you're actually feeling, and like describe that mood and detail, like what what is it that you're literally feeling? And then you have to think about the automatic thoughts

that come into your mind with that. So with me, it's like, oh, my god, everyone's going to die, and then what I think about that? Like I'm thinking that that's you know, I'm fearful, I'm full of dread. I think it's unfair. Why can't we all live forever? That kind of thing. You write that down, then you have to write down It's a tricky one with death because you have to write down evidence that supports that thought.

So the idea is that you're having these mad thoughts that that probably you're having because you're anxious about something. They might not come to light. So by thinking about the evidence you're you're being you're making yourself think, well, actually, I don't have that much evidence that's supporting this anxious thought, like why am I worried about it? Unfortunately, with the death one, you there's a lot of evidence that everyone's

going to die. You've got quite a bit of evidence, but it's a thought associated to it, like oh, that's necessary I'm going to be sad. Well, it's like there's no evidence that you're sad when you die because you literally, yeah, no one's come back, and going no one's come back. Yeah, Like so so you're trying to make yourself remove remove from that that being like such a negative thing, Like

there's no evidence that that's negative once that happens. So then you think about evidence that does not support this anxious hot thought you're having. Yeah, and then you have to think about alternative thoughts. If you were, you know, talking to a mate saying that this is an alternative, this is what you can think instead, give me, give me some molts to why can't we all live forever? Alternative for me would be like, um, okay, well friends

have said this to me. They've been like, okay, if you live forever, but you see the world end, how awful would that be to actually be here when the world ends? Or yeah, if you live forever, wouldn't you get bored? Yeah? Exactly what you're going to do. Isn't the meaning of life that you know it's going to end and that's what makes it special? Like what is what is the point of anything if it's just never ending? Why does anything matter if it's not going to end?

Isn't that what makes it so precious? They're the alternatives you could tell yourself. Well, tell that to the writers of Neighbors. So, yeah, that's one of the that's one of the methods. And then after you've done through that whole process, you rate how you're feeling down. Yeah, hopefully you're feeling a bit better. Thoughts are very different to my hot thoughts. It's really fascinating. Oh, you can have

different hot thoughts every day. You know. One of my hot thoughts, it's what I've actually written down on here, was that I was waking up at three am panicking about my puppy barking. That became a hot thought for me. Now, this is the other thing that's happened since you did this. You've had a baby. I've had a fairy baby. You've fairy baby. You've had a dog baby. I have no disrespect. I think it is a dog, but it's a natural dog. You've had a dog baby, and I feel like it's

a baby. Yeah, but it is also a baby that's a dog. Oh god, yah, yeah, game changing. My life has completely changed, life changing. You've met her, you like it. I love it. I'm a big fan of that dog. Baby. Has she changed your life for the better? Yes? I feel like if we've done this a couple of months ago, I would have said to anyone listening, never get a dog.

Just don't do it. Even if, like me, you've wanted a dog your whole entire life, you've really thought it would make you happy, bring a real happiness to your life, and you've read all the books you know, you think you'd be great at it. Don't do it. Just don't. Yeah. Now I'm a bit more used to it, I'm still like, really, think about it. You think you've thought about it, think about it some more, but maybe then do it. Remember that you might have a hot thought such as what

if the dog bucks? Yeah, what if the dog doesn't stop barking? What if I can never leave my house again? What if I've in my life? There's some other hot thoughts. One other thing that we must talk about briefly, because I could talk to you forever, as you know, and probably when this podcast wings is I will the question is this? The point is this your husband? Based James McNicholas, when he was last on the show, was writing his book,

The Champ and the Champ. He's now finished his book, The Champ and the Champ, and I read it last week. It is magnificent. It's he's a brilliant writer. It's a really brilliant book. I'd recommend it to anyone. However, within it he does talk about his illness, which he did talk about when he did The Resurrection. Yeah, and obviously, as a friend of his and yours, I knew about the illness, but I guess reading that book, you've got a lot more detail on it and a lot more

understanding of it. And it made me very sad as an awful thing that he has been experiencing, and also you've been experiencing it because you're married and you live with him, and you've lived through a pandemic together with someone who has I don't know what we call it. Is that a chronic illness? That what we call it? I think you'd call it, yeah, chronic? Yeah, something that's

long lasting. And I feel tremendous respect and empathy for both of you, and I wondered how that has been because reading it as a friend, there's even a bit in it where he says in the book, friends of mine reading this might be shocked to discover these sort

of depths of this. And I thought, yeah, I am, and I'm sort of it's so difficult and so amazing what he's done and survived and done and both of you, and I wondered for you as someone who is a carer literally in their life, but then having this in your house, has it been what's it been like? I guess, yeah, I mean it has been a challenge, There's no way around that. It definitely has been. And it's yeah, I've

been been testing at times. But also it's made me, really, I guess, you know, to say, oh, I'm proud, like it sounds like I'm a teacher or his mum. No, but I feel proud. Yeah, I do get that. I felt proud reading that book. I feel immense pride that he has well, first of all, that he's written a whole bloody book. I've got it here. Actually, here you go, the lovely cover. Lovely cover. Don't judge a book by it,

but it's a good one. Yeah, Proud that he's written a book, and he wrote a lot of it here actually sat at this desk, and when I'm reading it, it is weird thinking because I hear he is an amazing writer, Like, yeah, the book is very interesting and it made me laugh, made me cry. But the way he writes, I think he's a very beautiful. He's very writes beautiful prose. And it is weird when I read

it that I think, God, you you just you. You were sitting here writing that when I was fatting about, you know, playing with the puppy or having a wee next door, Like, it's so weird that you were doing that here. And in terms of the yeah, he has if you haven't listened to his podcast, he has mdds MAWD Debauchmont syndrome, which is basically when you well. It

can happen in different scenarios. But for James, he got on a boat in our honeymoon, and then when he got off the boat, he just forever felt like he was still on a boat. And it's a neurological condition.

And I think in the beginning I did find it difficult, especially someone who has sort of death anxiety and some health anxiety, to for this thing to suddenly happen to him and for a while for it to be you know, no one could really explain it and it was one of those things that was like friends and family members were like, oh, yeah, that happens. Is you get off a boat and sometimes you have this weird thing for

a week and then it goes away. And that's what I would try and say, and I always try and believe. I had to make myself think, oh, this is just going to go away in a few days or a week, and then when it carried on and carried on and it, yeah, I found it sort of, I sort of, I don't. I wouldn't say. On the one hand, yeah, sometimes you panic and you're like, what is this thing? What's going

to happen? What's going on? But then also once you actually are in a situation and you are literally just living in that situation, you just get on with it and you just have to just carry on and deal with it. And that's what we did, I guess, and he dealt with it brilliantly. And I think in the beginning, yeah, he had a lot of fear around it, and I think he felt a lot of guilt because we just got married, we were just on our honeymoon and suddenly

this this thing happened. But I suppose in a way it's it's made us closer because you know, we've we're still happily married, and and you know we've had a brilliant time together, even though we are having a brilliant time, even though he's got this thing he's dealing with. And yeah, you're going to make me crying, We're ready funny. I appreciate you so much, and thank you for sharing that.

For the record, If people thinking of reading this book, and I've made it sound like it's really heavy and sad, oh it's funny. It's funny, people get looking at him. Why is he laughing so much? It was like, because this book is funny. It's very funny. It's very very funny. It's brilliant. And yeah, he is an amazing man, amazing guy. I love him, an amazing guy. I mean, is he going to mind us saying he's an amazing guy. We've both saying it. He's an amazing guy. I love him,

bloody love him. I love him all right. Why don't you marry him, bloody? Yeah, yeah, I wish I could, but he's taken Camille Chan, you have been brought back to life. Resurrected is the exact word. What point of your life would you like to come back to? Firstly, oh sorry, no, sorry, carry on, carry on? Do you would you? Would you change anything or leave everything as it was? Camille Chan Okay? Firstly, absolutely obviously delighted that

I've been brought back to life. Yes, believed. Please don't it back on the pod again where it's like, oh, actually you're dying again. Just let's let's keep it here. I'm resurrected. Sorry for the for the people like yourself who were worried that dying will make you sad? Were you said when you were dead? Do you know? No? Carried on, carried on with my life in this in this new sort of dead Rell. Well, there you go. Put that in your alternative thoughts. There you go, There

you go. Where would I come back to? I would come back to his gool would have got a lot of airtime on this, but basically I would come back to. What's Leap Year day twenty ninth of Feb. Twenty eighth of Feb. Seven ninth, Yeah, twenty ninth of Feb. When the yeah, so late leap year? I think it's must be twenty seventeen. Was that Leap Year Day twenty twenty sixty twenty sixteen. Yeah, okay, okay, twenty ninth of February

twenty sixteen. I would come back to that day because at the start of that year, So January twenty sixteen, I became boyfriend and girlfriend with with James, and is that what you still say? Became boyfriend and girlfriend anyway, Candy, Candy, And it was after I had a new Actually you were there. I had a New Year's Eve party at the house I was then living in it very well, and I think it's maybe it was maybe like New Year's Day or the day after that, we me and

James properly became a couple. I remember you consummated in front of us all on New Years Day. We had a ceremony around you. Everyone should We all carried torches, and yeah, it was lovely. It was really lovely, and you became boyfriend and girlfriend just as the ceremony dictates. We can exactly everyone was naked. Um, So that was January twenty sixteen, and then so it must have been a couple months later twenty ninth of fab twenty sixteen.

I got into my head that I was going to propose to him on that day because there's that whole tradition of like on a leap year day the woman can propose. Of course, you can propose whenever you like, but that's a sort of tradition thing. But if you don't do it on leap year, it doesn't count, that's apparently. So yeah, if you did it on not leap year,

you're not actually engaged. So yeah, I was going to do it on that day, and I talked myself out of it because we don't even go in out two months and I was like, for me, oh, that's mental. But then a month after that, I told James that I was going to do that and he was like, oh, I would have said yes, And so then we just

got engaged anyway. So I kind of wish I had just done it because I do think he would have said yes, And even though it's crazy after being together two months, you know, I think the outcome would have still been the same, So I should have just So the message here is if you want to propose to someone, just do it. So that's why I'm going back to. This is one of the most inspiration two episodes we've ever done. Seize the day, do what you want. If

you ever proposed it. Someone, Just do it, Just fucking do it. I knew we were going to get married before we even started going out. I just knew it. And I never wanted to get married before that. So yeah, I'd go back to that day and I don't know, I'd think of some elaborate way of doing it that was, you know, a bit fun? What in your head? Yet? No, that's that's let means, let's decide, Now what would I do? I would, Oh, I'd do a treasure hunt around London.

That'd be fun, wouldn't it. Oh, I'd get all of you got I get friends to be at different points in London and you give him the next clue. But are we like doing characters? Can I have a top pattern the star? Yeah? Yeah, you're in a top hat and tails and you're like Jack the Ripper. He comes finds me in East London. Yeah, there's a lovely girl down there I'm looking for and I appointed in the direct perfect you. I mean you were just doing Roy Kent. Then you're Roy Ken in top hat and tails plus

Roy Kid. Yeah. So there we go, friends giving him a clue and we end up in where do we end up? Let's say where's somewhere in London that we let's say we end up. Oh, let's just let's just end up in Soho outside Soho Theater. Predictable, we've both done gigs there. No, it's a lovely place to end up there. We go at Soho Theater and I get down on one knee on stage. He thinks he's going into a show, right, Yes, stage on stage we all

you've dreamed of. We move, we part like the sea, and in the middle of it is you, and you go down on one knee. Yeah, and I go, will you marry me? He says yes, and then we all get hammered. I love it. Okay, that's a really good that's a really good place to come back to you. So yeah, that's what I do. I mean, I guess at some point we've got to talk about films better. You've been brought back to life, and the living are very excited to see you, especially as a lot helps

you with this treasure. And I'm just happy to wear a top at and tels. Thank you for that. Living. They want to know about your life with the choices with film. Interesting, nothing wrong with this concept, Yeah, weird that, But first it's a flawless format. The first question they want to know, what was the last film you saw? The last film I saw was Kung Fu Panda. What's a movie? Brilliant movie? Watched it at home. The reason I watched it was because I'm writing on a kid's

show at the moment. I write on a few different kids TV shows, and this is a new one. I don't think I'm allowed to say I've signed an NDA, but it's a new as a new kids show in development, and one of the references for the main character was Kung Fu Panda, and I hadn't seen it, so I thought I'd better watch it. I mean, can I tell? I mean, it's not even I don't get NDA's I get it that it's like, oh, we don't want people

to steal the idea. But part of me, whenever I get an NDA three for anything I read it, I'm like, no one gives a shit that you're doing this. I often think no one gives a ship. And also, what are you going to do? Yeah, what do you mean you'll sue me for three million? I don't have three million, So what are you going to do? If I went out on the street and said listen, guess what kids TV show I'm developing. And I just said the name of it, they'd be like, all right, I never heard

of it. Crack on, I don't give a shit. Do you make people sign an NDA for Ted Lasse? No? I make people sign an NDA before I engage in any conversation with it. Yeah you do. Actually, Yeah, but that's like, that's that's just your own personal preference, because you're very if we're going to the cinema, if we're just hanging out, hey, how you doing? Sign this? And then what's your name? Sign my endio? So anyway, Kungfrey Pounder.

It was brilliant. Actually really enjoyed it. So I went into it because I sort of like, oh, I've got to watch this kind of for work, so I'm not really that bothered. But then I really loved it. Poe loves Kung fit for anyone that doesn't know it, Poe loves Kung Fu. Wants to be a dragon warrior. His dad wants him to work in the noodle shop, but he's to follow your dream story. Yeah, And it's like, even if you're not necessarily good at something, you can

work at it and be the best. Have you seen a Soul, the Pixar film Soul, Yes, I have, and I loved it. I love it. I love every single day. Yeah, Soul was incredibly extraordinary film that the message was, like all films the messages follow your dream and achieve your dream. Follow your dream, achieve your dream. Realize that that's not enough. You need to look at some fucking leaves incredible. As someone with death anxiety, that film, I did really enjoy it.

But the bit that I find uncomfortable watching is when they're on the convey about yeah at the end, at the end end, that bit I can't quite handle. Yeah. But I loved it, so Yeah, Kung Fu Panda, I would recommend it. By the way, as secretive is as

open as you were. You and a friends of the podcast Raised Johnson are quite secretive about your career, in which you seem to run and win awards for all the teachers TV as in you don't talk if like the amount of awards you've won and the fact that you write four of the biggest children's TV shows ever and it's not all you talk about is weird to me. I guess it's because never talk about it. And then I find out, Oh, you've just won another Oscar for Oh. I mean, I think we sort of fell into it.

Maybe that's why we feel like we still write, you know, we still write adult stuff, or we're still sort of performers of adult stuff. So I get sometimes a bit nervous to promote the kids Telly stuff too much, because I sort of if I tweet an Instagram about our birthday, I'm in a sketch group called birthday Girls. If I'm promoting that, the content of that is often quite rude and sweary. So I feel a bit of a responsibility not to have loads of kids following me on social media.

That's part of it, but I'm very proud of it, very proud of it. I love writing for kids, Telly. Okay, all right, I'll start talking about it more. If you want me, please talk about it. Who do you think should play you in the film of your Life? I struggled with this a bit, and I started googling half Guyanese actors because I'm half Guyanese. I was thinking who could I get. The only person I could really find was Letitia Right, who is Guyanese but she looks nothing

like me. I love her and I know she is incredible, but I've said, Okay, who've who I've gone for. This isn't because I I think I look like her. This is like the Hollywood version if it's like someone who's like a hundred times fitter than me, and she's playing like the Hollywood version of me. Okay, okay, when I say I don't want to be like, oh, you think you're like her, Mela Cooness, Oh that's what I've gone with. That.

That's perfectly reasonable because I feel like she does comedy and drama my dream career, you know, having your finger in both pies. She's got Yeah, she's got comedy chops. But I think she's a good actor, brilliant and black Swan. So I think, yeah, if I could have anyone, why not her. I think that's a really good answer. And you are equally as as as fit as as Mela Coo. Don't you ever talk about less than Yeah? But you know everyone's got the Hollywood version of themselves. You know

you're thinking, no, it's just me, Actually i'd play me. No, I'm thinking the Hollywood version of me is a Spanish guy in a show called Sense that I have that people say I look like and then and I always like, yeah, yeah, what is it just to go with big eyeballs? And then I looked him up and I was like, oh, yeah, he really is. He's a he's a fear. He's me about fit. I'll google him anyway. What is the most

romantic film you've ever seen? The most romantic film I've ever seen is The Last Black Man in San Francisco. I love that film. It's not love. It's not about sexual romance or a sort of you know, you know, it's not a love affair between between two people. But I find it very romantic to watch that. His love for his childhood home and his desire it is like it is, It's like it's a it's a real passion and desire he has to be in that home, and also the love he has for his city, for San Francisco,

which is changing, becoming gentrified. And it's not necessarily a happy sort of romance, but I do think it's very romantic. And as a film, it looks beautiful and the soundtrack is beautiful, which I think really adds to the romance of it. The music by Emil Messei I listened to. I listened to that soundtrack quite a lot. It's quite melancholy. But this is a fantastic thank you. It's such a brilliant answer. It's a very romantic film, and it looks incredible,

and it's all about longing it is. I would recommend everyone watched the film, and even if you aren't sure, just watched the first five minutes. I think the first five minutes usually alone. It's beautiful. Yeah, and even though it doesn't necessarily have a sort of a happy ending, I feel like, you know, with some amazing romances Romeo and Juliet for example, like not the happiest ending. They don't have a happy ending, but the romance of it

was still so beautiful and intense. Well, there we go. But the families do stop fighting, don't they? So in a way it is a really done them for both. What's the best film you ever saw that you never want to see again? A Star is Born? Why are you laughing at that? I don't know. It just surprised me. You always surprised me. I don't, yeah, because it was so Yeah, I'm just fascinated. Why you never want to see it again? But you loved it? Okay? I it had so much hype before I went to see it.

Right that, I was like, Okay, it's had so much high, am I going to love it. I've never seen the other versions. I've only seen the most recent one, The Lady gargat One, and I did love it. My one of my dad's loves country music and plays the guitar. I used to used to. I had a phase where I loved Tricia Yearwood when I was younger. I really like country music, and so I loved the music in it, and I loved their relationship in it, and I just loved the heart. I love the film, but it made

me cry so so much. I found it so sad and painful to watch that I never want to watch it again. I thought about it loads afterwards, and it just made me feel so sad. I can appreciate that I loved it, but yeah, I never need to see it again. Okay, I can get that very good answer, thank you. What's the best action film you've ever seen? Camlely Chan. Okay, So I was going to go in

with the kill Bills, especially Kill Bill number one. I love Kill Bill, absolutely love it, but I felt like maybe that was a bit trad So I've actually gone for. No one said it, no one said the kill they really maybe I have to stop it. I want to hear your what. I went for tread I went for Hannah. Oh, very old, very old, very old. Yeah, I think it. Sorcaronan is amazing. And there's a bit in that film which isn't the most like hot, sort of like fast paced action bit of it. But I think about it.

Loads that scene where she's in the Cia Cia place and she's in the room and Cape Blanchet baddy. She wants to see Cape Blanchet the baddy, but they send it a dummy Cape Blanchet as a decoy, and then she's hugging her and then she breaks her neck. I hate that bit. I hate I hate it. Next stuff makes me feel weird? Next is it? But I just thought that was a I think that's quite a yeah. I find that an interesting action thriller. You ever seen

the film Frozen, it's the Disney one. It's the one where people are stuck up a ski lift for a weekend. Oh my god, no I haven't. There's a scene in that that has haunted me forever, and I probably I probably also think about this every days. I think about all the things I think about every day where one of the It's one of the worst things I've ever seen on film, and it's like your neck fear. It's made me scared of Are you going to say it? Now? Should I watch it? Do you want me to say it? Yeah?

You definitely shouldn't watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Well they're like they've been left up this ski lift and their mars up in the air already. That terrible. I don't like. I'm not a fan of that. And the things shut down for the weekend, so they're stuck up there and they're freezing to death. And one of the guys are like, well, maybe I could jump, Maybe I could just jump down and get out, but they're very high up and he's like, what else can we do? And he's I'm wearing ski boots.

Oh god, jumps and he lands and you like, the camera's like on his legs and then all his bones shoot up through is I mean, it's so horrible. I think about it every single day. That's horrible, and it scares me. I would rather break my neck than my leg My leg bones shoot up through my guys, How how have they filmed that? I mean, it's horrible. But that's what I think about the scene Hannah as well

as an actor. I don't know if I could be the dummy decoy with with the person pretending to break my neck, because I'd be like, what if you actually by accident, you get too into it and you twist a bit too hot. It's making me feel funny. I no, okay, probably put a trigger warning on all this. What's the of all the films? If you had to come, which film do you think you could have made? And why? Happy Feet? Happy Feet? You've got? I love that happy

an incredible animated film. Yeah, penguins. Yeah, because Okay, I can't rale really very well. So I'm I'm when you ask me this question, I'm basically imagining myself is like the overseer of the project. I'm like the director of the project. So I'm hiring in the animators. Fine. I connect with that film because, just like Mumble, I've got a terrible singing voice. I agreed to disagree, hard agreed to disagree, Brett my singing. My singing makes you cry

with laughter because it's so bad. Cry because I'm so mood. Yeah, like Mumble can't sing, but I'd like to think of myself as a bit of a dancer, just like Mumble. I just think it's it's so brilliant, It's got incredible music, It's got a lovely message, like the socially conscious message of don't over fish, over fishing game demons, don't ruin

the natural habitat. I feel like if I made a film, I would want to have some kind of message or like something that people are talking about and making them think about. And I kind of like the idea of the first film I make being animated because I think it takes away the ego of the actor being seen on screen. I think it'd be quite fun working with

actors with just their voices. I watched the back I watched the behind the scenes of Mohanna where they're all doing the you know, singing the songs, and Lin Manuel's like, do it a bit like this, do it a bit like that? I could do that, just say it, but

maybe maybe think about this and try it again. And I just say, it'd be quite fun directing a film that, yeah, just actors voices and then getting to work with animators who I mean it means I'm not giving any work to the makeup and the costume departments worry about that. But I think animation is so like I sort of I know, I should have picked something that I feel like I could do because of my skills, but I think, you know, if it's a dream world where I can

do anything. I think animated films are so collaborative and seems so fun to make, and of recent years have been some of my favorite films. You are you never failed to surprise me. That's an excellent answer, Thank you. Also, do you know that film's directed by the Mad Max director Happy Feet? The same man made Happy Feet, made Mad Max, Fury Raid Max, Right Max? Two? Well, there we go. I'm starting with Happy Feet. I'm moving on to Mad Max. Oh yeah, that's your next film that

you make. Yeah, exactly. I love that that he's done Happy Feet and then done that Mac. That's brilliant film. You pretended to like to impress people. What's the film you pretended to like to impress people? Comarche Basic in Stinct, And it's not so much that I pretend to like it. This is going to shock you, is that I pretend to have seen it. I have never seen Basic Instinct. I know. Wow, I know and to the point where I mean, I don't even so. I watched that documentary, Um,

Don't Fuck with Cats about the killer. Have you seen it? I've not seen it. Oh yeah, you're against You're against documentaries, aren't you. I'm not again to documentaries. I'm not a huge fan of You're just not a mad a mad doc fan. Yeah. Any in time? Oh yeah, ain't got a lot of time of time. You've already watched every single film in the world. I've got to watch all the films in the world. Difficult to whack in a temperature crimer. Yeah wow, I'm sure it's excellent. This documentary,

Don't Fuck with Cats. It's about a killer called Luke Manyotta, and it transpires this is a huge spoiler, so turn away now if you don't want to hear this, But your transpires that he is obsessed with the film Basic Instinct, and there are things that happen in the documentary in the true life story that they start to realize it's been inspired by Basic Instinct, to the point where he goes to a lawyer who basically looks exactly like Michael Douglas.

Is it Michael Douglas is in basic and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're doing very well. Okay, thank you. And I remember watching that with James. I need to check with James if I've told him that I'm not seeing basic instinct, because when that's when we were watching the documentary and stuff's happening, James is like, wow, that's mental. That's just like a basic instinct. And I'm like, yeah, oh my god,

that is so mad. Oh yeah, it looks like yeah, oh, and that's when she does she's got the cigarette and the oh that is mad. And I've not seen it, so yeah, and I feel like it's bad not to have seen that. Well, you've taken that question made it similar to the next the next one, which is, what is the film you've never seen that you think it's mad? You've never seen it. So I realized that, yeah, that could be basic instinct. But another film that I've never

seen that I do think is absolutely insane. I've not seen is Chitty Chitty Bang Bang That is mad? What is the film you love that you don't expect anyone else to like? Patrick? Oh? That oh con okay, let me explain I've chosen Patrick, it's a film. To explain what Patrick is. I actually do love it. It's a

film that my best friend BT Edmondson is in. She's the main part, and it's about she inherits a pug, a dog, and then it's a sort of love story and it's you know, she's she's the pug helps her overcome a period in her life, and it has a happy ending and the pugs with her and she meets the guy. And I do love it. I think Beatie would say herself that maybe, you know, maybe critically so, maybe it's not the best film in the world. But I'm such a bit for picking this. I'm going to

tell her she's gonna I think she'll laugh. I hope she's gonna laugh. But I genuinely do love it, but partly because Beatie's in it, and I think she is amazing. And I remember going to the premiere of it and we went and I remember, you know, she was all dressed up and she's having her picture taken and we went to watch it and it was a screening where loads of dogs were allowed to come and watch it, and of course I love that love dogs, and she's brilliant in it, and I just remember feeling so like

this is so cool. My friend is the main part in a film, and I love it and I stand by it. I would watch that film again. I would watch that over A Star is Born any day. Yeah, it's a great film. That's a that's that's absolutely lovely. You've said that in a way, in a way, what is the film you would show a lover as a test to see if you should be together in the heights? Ah? Yes, good morning, Lesnarvy. I love that. I love that film with all my heart. Yeah, I loved it. I know.

I feel like I've not read the reviews, but I've been told it had mixed reviews mixed to good. I'd say too mixed to mainly good, okay good. I'm glad about that. I thought it was brilliant, brilliant. It's the first film I saw in the cinema since the pandemic, so I hadn't been to the cinema in ages, and I want to see that, and so I think I'll always remember it for that as well. That was like, oh wow, back in the cinema, and I love I

love it. And I'm not even a crazy fan of like musical theater or musical films necessarily, but I don't. I think if I took someone to see that, a potential lover and they're not enjoying that, I'd be like, what do you not enjoy life? Yeah? Yeah, completely. I can't get on board with you if you don't enjoy that film. If you don't enjoy In the Heights, you're not good at sex. It is a sexy film actually for a family film. You can put that on the poster.

Brett Girls seeing the films through very weird says, if you do not like In the Heights, you are not good at sex. I'll agree with you. Yeah. Okay, what is the film that made you the most uncomfortable? Or was it when I took you to In the Heights and it turned to you and said, okay, I've gone for the Octopus teacher. Have you seen it? You have seen it? Thumbs up a perfect answer. Okay, if you've

not seen it. It follows a filmmaker, a man who goes to the same bit of sea every day near Cape Town, goes dive in, and he basically he forms a relationship with an octopus. Yeah. I loved it, absolutely loved it, and you know as a whole, which doesn't maybe uncomfortable. But I just remember there being a moment in it where I thought to myself, oh my god, am I about to watch a man have sex with an octopus? And that that's wrong? Please tell me that's

not going. I really felt like that's where it was going. It isn't where it's going. It's actually a beautiful comment on the relationship between animals and humans and yeah, life, the fragility of life, like it's amazing. But there were parts of it that made me feel uncomfortable. Yeah. I kept checking the rating in the rate. I think it's a you that film, and I kept thinking, how is I fucked an octopus? You? It does really a film, but yeah, it's a romantic drama about a man an octoperson.

It's building towards then and the way he either way he talks about it is like, yeah, we were sucking, well yeah, yeah, but fucking what's wrong with that? But then when she mates, I'm thinking, you are jealous of that other octopus? Yeah, and when yeah, and then they have a cuddle. The thing is also there's bits missing because it's an editor, you know, it's edited. It was

like a year's worth of footage. Yeah, I want to see the unseen bits if you cut out all the times you were fucking yeah, but it's very moving and but you're right, there is an element of I don't know if we should be watching you fucking an octopus, which I guess is why that those bits have been edited out exactly. Yeah, and you know he doesn't want everyone to know that that's what he was like every time he says there's some days he went diving he didn't see her. Come on, mate, Sa, we know that

you're Saura. But it is brilliant. It's brilliant, if uncomfortable at times. No, and to be fair, I don't know how octopus is consent. But the octopus always did seem pleased to see him. Oh yeah, she was putting her tentacles out, wasn't she. Yeah, they did. It did seem like a consensual, you know, relationship in which she was always please see him, please see her, you know, good luck to them, whatever they got up to, good luck to him. Yeah. It's a free country. If you could

show a child one film, what would it be? Beethoven, the first one of the series, A magnifique. Oh, just such a good film. I remember watching that as a kid with my family. Just such a good film, and it teaches kids a lot. Don't always trust men in positions of power. In this case the veterinarian. Don't trust that guy. Don't trust it. Having big dogs around the house, they can cause a bit of chaos exactly. Think about

getting a dog before you get it. But the families all coming together in the end, you know, fighting against the evil that you know. I think actually doing this, I've realized so many of my films do have animals, in which I didn't intend for that to be the case until I've finished answering them and realized obsessed with animals. I'm bloody obsessed, I think I am. It's just happened that way. I don't know how. Yeah, that's the theme

of the pod. I suppose Beethoven does have the eighties, eighties slash nineties Hollywood template of to be your man. The other of the family has to punch someone, and then the worst goes, I've never been more attracted to you. It does it? Does it? Definitely does have it, definitely does have that to it. He punches the vet, doesn't it Yeah yeah, and then goes, oh wow, yeah, you're so manly finally, Yeah, it does. I can respect you. Yeah,

and before that they only respected the dog biteven. Yeah, the dog was ruling the house until he punched someone and then then bathe heaven goes you're the king. But I would say that, and you know, any of that kind of ilk of film, any of that free willye Andre Babe, something with an animal in it. Hey, guess who made bait? Who the man who made Happy Feet, mad Max Fury Road, let's call him your favorite. I

think he's my favorite director. Yeah, wow, he made Babe made Babe Babies is a top tener probably, if you think about it. Definitely. I'm finding it hard to get my head around that he's gone from those to Mad Max great masterpieces. Yeah, completely, Chan, you've been absolutely magnificent again Top five? Can you have both episodes in the top five? You could certainly think about it. Now, here's

the thing. I've brought you back to life because I like you, and you know what, having listened to everything you've said, I'm going to let you live for a while. What until I naturally, my life naturally comes to an end. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see if I come up with a trilogy Okay, purgatory, you should do purgatory. Yeah, in the meantime, just a thought in the meantime when you you still have to write a will because you know you might die,

I might come come looking for you any time. Just see you know you're not entirely safe in your will. Would you like to leave one DVD for the people you love? And would it be after lots of regrets for going with what I went with the previous pod? Mhmm, I think I went with free Willy in the previous part. I think I take back all my regrets and I'm going to stick with it. Free Willy. You put you

You've got buried with free Willy. You've come back, You've picked three Willy out of your own coffin, and you've gone to the lawyer. Put that in my wheel, you know what, Free Willy. I want people to think I have fucked animals and it is very important, but that is their last thing memory dramatically and actually, so here's here's a DVD. Yeah, yeah, why not? Okay, Camille, you've been ah, haven't you have? I I hope? So? Yeah, is there anything you'd like to tell people to look

out for to watch to listen to. I think you've got a show coming up. Oh yes, I don't know when this pod is going out. When do you think this pod might go out? A couple of weeks? Could it go out before the twenty sixth of August? We are doing Me and a friend of the pod, Rose Johnson, are doing some live shows. Very exciting. Performed live for the first time in eighteen months last week, doing it again in a couple of weeks twenty sixth and twenty

eighth of August above the Stag Theater. We're doing an hour together of sketches and characters, so look out for that. I've written my first play which is going to be on in a theater next year called Redding Rep. They're launching, They're they're launching their fit. They're obviously meant to launch during the pandemic, and luckily they're still able to, you know, go ahead and do their launch towards the end of this year. And yep, so my play should be going

on there next year. It's called Three Hens in a Boat and that will be on a rereading rep. I think that's all a plug for now you. I'm on Twitter, I'm on Insta, I think I'm just Camille Uchan on Twitter and Instagram. I've got a podcast, Birthday, Girls, house Party. It's great. Please listen to that. Brett's done it before. This is an award winning trin TV right, just doesn't like to talk about it. So you can do it. Oh this one, Camille, Thank you for doing the show

again live. Thank you for having me again. Thank you for bringing back to life relieved. May you live forever. Thank you, and good day to you. Good day yeay. So that was episode one hundred and sixty one. Head over to patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty five minutes of chat, secrets and video with Camille. Go to Apple Podcast give us a five star rating, but don't write about the show. Oh no,

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