Bobcat Goldthwait • Films To Be Buried With with Brett Goldstein #173

iye for the reminder. Happy Christmas. Every week I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant that most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Jamila Jamil and even Cred Blambele's. But this week it's the amazing comedian, actor, writer and filmmaker mister

Bobcat Goldthwaite. Head over to the Patreon at patron dot com forward slash Brett golds where you get about an extra twenty twenty five minutes of chat with Bobcat we go deep, we talk about beginnings and endings. You get a truly moving, profound secret from him. You'll get the whole episode uncut and as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slash Brett Coldstein, Ted Lasso Season two is all available now an Apple TV class. You can watch the whole thing in one go have

a cry, I have a laugh. Soulmate, Season mine is all on Amazon Prime. You can watch that too and have a laugh and a cry. And I think so. Bobcat gold Dwaite rose to fame in the Police Academy movies and over the last however many years has become an incredibly prolific and fascinating filmmaker, comedian and writer. We recorded this about a week ago. I was very grateful to him for being so open and honest with me. There's some really lovely stuff in here, and I really

think you're going to love it. So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and seventy three of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein and I am joined today by an actor a writer, a stand up a director, a producer, a legend, a hero, and man we would describe as eclectic, a man who has done everything that can be done. Please welcome to the show, the man, the legend. It's

mister Bobcat gold White. Oh well, thank you. That's such a kind introduction. It's very very sweet. I'm also a ninja and a ninja fuck yeah, fuck well you can. That's how good of a ninja I am. You didn't even yeah, yeah, really really good ninja ing. It's very nice to meet you, Bobcat. We've literally just met. It's great to meet you. I really love this show. You know. I live out in the woods, and listening to the show makes me feel like I'm hanging around with my friends.

Uh where in the woods? Is it secret? I live in the Illinois. I moved during the pandemic to about an hour outside of Chicago, and I live on a dead end street in the woods. And uh, in the midwest of the US. I am I am thin, I am skinny here after living thirty five years in la I'm the I'm the I'm the Daniel Craig of DuPage County, Illinois. You're the hot bud in town. Yeah, that's working great. How do you feel having do you do you think do you feel settled that? Do you think this is

it for a while? What do you miss? No? I love I love living here. And I also, you know, all the stuff that I've directed, none of it's in Los Angeles lately, and so you know, and I I mean, I can edit remotely and I get to keep working, you know. Yeah, but most most of the time, I'm out chopping wood. That's not a euphemism. I actually chop a lot of wood. Man, it does sound quite dreamy. My buddy is uh, I'm gonna start the name dropping, but uh Tom Kenny, who's the voice of SpongeBob SquarePants

about my friends since I was six years old. Oh yeah, we went to Catholic school together. We've known each other whole life. And I'm on a group text. And he doesn't think it's funny that I'm chopping wood. He's like, you, guys, bobcats shouldn't have a chainsaw. It's not even it's not don't think it's not funny. Don't encourage you. You shouldn't have axes. But and I go out and I fell trees and it's funny because my girlfriend's a liability claims adjustere.

So like we'll go to disc we'll go to Disneyland and she'll be looking at like a little pool of water on the ground shoes. That's a claim, that's a claim. So but she has no problem to me walking through the yard with a chainsaw. You're a fucking walking claim. That's very sight the human claim. Yeah, I got so many things I wanted to ask you. One one, I mean,

listen on a broad sky. Other things, I find you as a whole, Like I love the fact that you do literally everything that you do, stand up, that you write, that you make films. And I also love that your films are so wildly different that it's actually quite hard to pinpoint, like what is a Bobcat Goldway thing? Like, as in, they're also very different. I mean, i'd say there's a darkness in them. Maybe we'd connect. I argue on it, but I thank you for noticing. Well. I

would say I would agree with your argument. I'd say there's a darkness and the sweetness. They seem outwardly to be cynical, but actually, in the end, I think you have a real love in facting all of them now I'm thinking about it, they all end quite with a lot of love and heart. Yeah, well, thank you, I mean thanks for watching them. You know, I jokingly say my movies make hundreds of dollars, but I think the only cynical one it was probably Garbos America, where you

know it just rekiller comedy. I don't know, but I mean I say, it's a very violent film about kindness. But and I made it years ago, but I truly was wondering where we were going. Sounds very pretentious, but I was wondering where we were going as people, because you know, we're just so cruel and getting so out of control. And it got much worse than anything in

that movie. Yeah, that's interesting. Like I watched your bigfoot film will I Creak, and I love that, and it's also like so differentrom everything else, and I miss you tell me. But I think the thing that's most interesting about that film is that it's the most pure found footage film ever, like as in, there's no cheating. It's like this is what the footage would be, and this is where the footage would end, and you can't cheat it. Yeah. Thanks.

My problems always been with found footage, just like, I'm sorry your family got raped and killed. But I think if we recut it, there's a tremendous picture in here for everyone. So I there's only sixty seven edits in all of Willow Creek, and it's basically if you just hit play on a on a camera and and that's and that's what you would get. But you know that it's funny. The inspiration. I mean, I am kind of a big deal in the big Foot community. Whatever that's again, no, well,

you know, oh yeah, whatever. I I'm sorry, my Braith going to so many stories. I was, I was around a campfire one night and where the Patterson Gimblin footage was shot, the actual you know that footage, the famous footage that and uh it's two and a half hours

down on eleven mile Road. And then you hike in and you're in the middle of nowhere, and we saw two mountain lions and and uh so I'm sitting by the one guy who's got a gun, this guy, and and so Tommy Amarone, who's the Bob Dylan of the big Foot community, was there and he sang his entire catalog, all songs that are centric to Bigfoot history, and he goes through about seventeen songs and then he runs out. He's a big guy and he's in Camo and we're on a campfire, and he's like he didn't have any

more songs. He goes, you guys like Jewel. I go, I would love to hear you sing Jewel. So that Tommy Ameron sang Jewel. And then the guy that had the gun, Rod Robert Leederman, I go, he says to me. He goes, you know, I'm a writer too. I go, oh, what do you write? He says, well, you know Twilight? I go, of course, He goes, well, I write tween fiction set in the Bigfoot community. And I go, oh, what's the name of your book? You know, I think I'm gonna look it up. He goes, well, the first

one's Yetti or not. And this is the guy that's keeping me from getting mauled by a mountain lion. I'm like, oh, that sounds great, But I can go on about big Foot forever, but we won't go down that road. Tell me, well, with all your h is there a big Foot in your head? I want to live in a world that there's an eight hundred pound what eight. It's a little bit like if Spielberg comparing myself to Spielberg. But if Spielberg came out said, hey, there's no aliens, you would say,

oh man, you just ruine et. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So exactly, I don't want to live in a world whether there isn't the positive by the way you have posed are real now, so you know, maybe the government's gonna come out and say, oh, by the way, Bigfoot's real too. Yeah, Like this past year has been so messed up that the government came out and said you AFOs are real, and no one battered an eye. They were like, yeah, that that tracks. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

It was just a sort of normal news day, wasn't It was like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahs are here, Okay, cool. What about here's the other thing I want to know about you? So you do stand up? Are you doing stand up at the moment? Now you're in an annoy er? Is that stuf for a while? Yeah? No, I'm out. I'm out all the time. You know, there's a connection that you make with a live audience. I'm not gonna lie. I need money, Uh, go out on the road to make friend so I could keep making you know, I

make a living so I can make movies. I don't make really movies. Yeah yeah, so so so that's why i'm I'm it's a great job, trust me, you know, although the audiences are so I mean, they're just it's like a people can't act right getting on a plane. Do you think they can act right to drink minimum? And then you know z from police academies. Politics don't

line up with yours. It's it's ugly out there for me, you know, It's why I want to know, right you looking at your stuff, like you have directed a lot of really amazing comedy specials, other people's other people standing up shows, and you did Chappelle's show, and you've done like what is your if you can summit out, like what's your secret of directing comics and how to make a good special? What's your how do you do it?

Mostly to make sure they're comfortable, you know, So there's some some comedians want to know everything, how it's going to be shot, and what's the stage and what they're you know, and then other folks just show up. But the idea is that when they get there, all they gotta do is do that show. And all they gotta do is that show that they've done over and over again. So sometimes there's a little bit of like structuring people's acts and maybe pitching a line here and there, and

then other people. You know. Ron Funches was a blast. You know, he loves wrestling, and so we did this big wrestling open, you know, but that what I did patents. I've done two of patents. You know. I knew he was going to disclose about his wife passing away. So the last thing you want is an opening that's like

ladies and gentleman, you know. So he gets out on the stage and three shots, there's a shot exterior that dissolves, and then he's in a hallway as usually two shots, and then he and he just walks out there by himself because he was we all knew the elephant in the room. He was walking out there all by himself. So that when he tells that story, it's just on

a single camera with a really slow, slow push. Because I knew I didn't we weren't gonna I wasn't gonna be cutting around the room, and the cut off his face would have been horrible. So I had a long lens. And then because it's because it's the digital age, I was able to keep this close up, going going, going, going, going,

And you know, it's interesting. I was able to pick off people in the audience who were crying, but I did not want to put that in the special because I did a cut where you saw people crying because it felt very exploitive. It felt like you were watching it. Yeah, I felt like you were watching a daytime chat show or something. So so there's different jobs, you know, and then it's it's it's you know I directed Kimmel for three years. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I was the guy

in the booth. So it was like, yeah, no one knows that because like it's like, hey, you know that guy that said that the night drove fire and smashed up that other show, and yeah, he's our director. Yeah. ABC didn't let that out, So yeah, i'd be the guy in the booth called shots. Yeah. I was gonna tell a story, but it's well, there's two stories. There's

one Grover the Muppet, not Washington or Cleveland. Grover was on the show and he was laying on the stage floor and he was all flat and he's like all a Kimbo and he was like, it looked like a suicide. He looked like a a Weigi photo, you know. He was just like and I said that the puppeteer, I was like, Yo, you gotta put Grover on. That's fucking up my ship big time because it was really disturbing. And I watched the man put on Grover and then Grover goes Hi Bobcat and it was like that Chris

Farley show sketch. In the back of my head. I was like, Oh, Grover knows my name. The most struck I've ever been, dumb, most stars struck. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I mean it's like, you know, I've had I've met and hung out a lot of people, but I could not. I couldn't keep my shit together. And then and at that same moment, too though, I was like, oh, this is clearly where I must have got my old act. Like I was like, since memory of as a kid, you know, can you got the

ten John John? It's really the same cadence. I mean, I really think comedically Grover probably influenced me more than anything. You're Grover, what a revelation. Listen steal from the greats if you're gonna do it, Yes, steal from the King, I think Grover, Yeah, I mean I And I think the earlier version of what I was doing on stage so was like it was like kind of childlike and he was goofy and hurt and mad. So so I guess it's definitely muppet like the thing of not using

those shots of people cry. I am well. I always fascinated with how you make a live show then televised, and how you capture the feeling, Like I think the hardest things capture his live comedy, the feeling what it's like when you're in the audience when you then watch

it on TV. Yeah, what's your well no, because like when you watch it, it's like, you know, it's you're watching a show and you might be engaged with the comedian and then suddenly the director goes, hey, what would it look like if you had the worst seat in the house and then they got to a big white show. You know, it's so disturbing. I just did the documentary that I did with Dana Gould and myself audiences are I kind of want to do this in the future.

Like sometimes I put long lenses and then push in and like like when I did Marry and he's all inside his head. So I just had lenses that were so close that there are more again cinematic, they were more close ups than that flat guy in front of a curtain. But when Dana and I did the thing, I just told the audience, look, there's cameramen here. So we're telling stories, and there's a camera that's like a foot from my face, and there racking focus between the

two of us as we tell stories. And it was done that way. Not it was a very low budgeted thing, but people who see it tell me that that was the closest it felt like being in a comedy club. And I'd like to tell you I was that inspired, but I just kind of was thinking, well, I don't have all the cameras to make it look all all the bells and whistles, so I'm gonna just invite the cameras to be on stage, I mean really on stage

with us. And I knew I was shooting enough shows that if a camera blew one of the shots, there'd be another version of the material. That's fucking cool. The part of the joy ride with Dana and myself that I'm excited about as a person who makes movies is there's genuine times where where the audience is talking to us and it's just captured in a single shot and

it's not whipping your panning. It just happened to be there, and so I think hopefully, And also I felt like, you know, behind the scenes footage of comedy is usually really painful because watching comics trying to be on it's horrible. So on purpose, I put the cameras in the backseat so Dana and I wouldn't perform for him and lo and Behold, of course we do. We were filming, but we we got. We got way more honest than we normally would. Joey right is the only thing of Pease

I haven't seen. But I did watch the trailers today and it looked I really really liked it. How to lat Field that you were talking about, it looked really great. I look forward to saying that, Bob Cat But fuck what I've forgotten I've forgotten to tell you something. But shit, we've been talking. I know I got bumped. No, no, no no, you're gonna have Gilbert and Gilbert god free. You're going alphabetically. Well, let's say you got bumped. In quite a big way.

You you've you've died, You're dead dead, I'm I'm dead. Uh okay, Well you say I died. I mean i've I've I've died many many nights. You mean you mean you made pushing up daisies. Uh, I mean yeah, this is uh, this is it. I gotta tell you. Uh. Some people lost some money on a pool. They thought I was going out in the eighties, so they could just cram it. They could just suck it. I win. I mean, I'm dead, but I'm very Uh. I'm not thrilled about it, you know. Uh, but I'm happy we're talking.

What what? How did you die? Oh? Now I remember? Now I feel like an idiot. I feel like a big idiot. No, I'm the idiot. I should have remembered. But it didn't make the press. It was it was it was classified as a timely death, but it wasn't like he was killed in his prime. So it's not your It's not on you. So I uh sadly, I h Here's the thing you probably don't know about me is that I love skydiving. That is my favorite thing in the whole world. I love the sky dive and uh,

it's the kind of thing. It's like scuba diving. It's like people who you know, you get cocky, you get you do it over and over and you're not thinking safety. And I went out the plane and I I forgot my parachute, so I was I was plummeting to the earth. Yea. And I thought, well, I'm dying now. I could freak out or I could go this is beautiful. I'm I'm gonna die doing my favorite thing. And I could just enjoy the ride and I'd love to tell you I'm a better man than this. But I freaked the fuck out.

I shipped my pants. I was completely dehydrated. I was a bag of bones, back of skinting and bones. Yeah. I mean it sounded good. Yeah, I just enjoy the ride. But no, I I crap myself. Where did you land? Oh uh? That's the part that I thought would get more pressed. I hit a bus of orphans. Oh wow? And did they They were they were fine. They were fine. They just told the kids that Randy Quaid fell on the bus. That's a joke. That's not a podcast joke.

People don't know that I look like right now that I'm Randy quaid biopic for the Patriots, are watching the video that like that. That's a good joke. My dream death is skydiving and dinip in the sheet. I mean, I'd leave out the shifting myself and landing on the office. That is my that's my dream death, is it really? Yeah? And have you discussed this before in my in my life? I have, you know, it's usually my opinion with the l or on stage. It's like first date, first date. Yeah, yeah,

I'm running on a string of dates. Once and I said, you know, I was on the third date after two other dates, and I said this the past two women I dated, they they they said they wanted to commit suicide. And the woman said during the date, which is pretty funny. You know, I used to think much darker, Like when I would think a suicide, I would actually think I would take someone out with me. I wouldn't kill them.

I would just break into someone's home like an n A guy, take his gun and go, hey, explain this, and then blow my face off. It would be like, this is a funny story. Bob scratch gold Farb came in here and blew his face off. Tell me this. Do you worry about death. I think about death all the time. Yeah, but I don't worry about it. I don't go, oh, this could go wrong and I could die,

you know. Like I repelled and nude from the roof of the Oakland Coliseum once during a Nirvana concert, and I was one hundred and fifty feet up in the air, and I wasn't worried about dying. I never repelled before. I was more like, going, I hope this is funny. By the way, if you're naked, it was midnight. It was New Year's Eve. If you're naked at midnight, you don't get a kiss. I was just that's good. That's that's good. Life lessons for everyone. Life lessons. Yeah. I

had the inuter wings on. I had the angel wings on, and I had a hat, which I like. It's like I was like, I was like, well, I don't mind if people see my love handles and my gut and my penis, but I don't want to see my balding pate. What do you think happens when you die? What do you think? Do you think there's enough to life? I don't believe in one. But I'm not the person I used to be. I used to be an atheist agnostic than an atheist. And now I actually do believe that

there's some sort of God. Now to go beyond that, I don't know. I've had I've been there when when someone dies and I had that was actually a turning point for me because I didn't feel that person left. I felt like something was released into this that you couldn't stop. That you couldn't stop it was this man was just he was of course I can't call him on the phone, but he was still there, still gonna be there. So um changed my perception. I really like that. Well,

I got good news for you. There is a heaven. Oh oh that's a relief. Yeah, that's really good. What do they do it? Heaven't still be your favorite thing? What's your favorite thing? I like ducks. It's got ducks, wool to wool ducks. But the wolves are made of ducks, the chairs are made of ducks. In a way, it's too many ducks for some that that doesn't exist. Too many ducks. That's why it's your heaven. That's my heaven. Ducks everywhere there's ducks and pizza. Ducks and pizza and

my oh and my daughter and girlfriend. I don't want them in heaven because that would be they were dead. They've got a good run. Yeah. They also there's no room for them with all the ducks, so it's fine, don't worry about that. Don't be fine. So many ducks, well ones allergic to down so so it's for the best. Yeah, and the ducks, they're so excited to see you, but they want to know about your life, and they want

to know about your life through film. The first thing they ask you is what is and they say that this is talking Ducks. They say, well, it's the first film you remember seeing. Look at this is the best? Have it ever? I got talking ducks? And they want to watch movies with me. Yeah, I might go scratch an itch with a thirty eight tonight. This is this sounds unbelievable. Yeah, the first movie that I remember like seeing, Like I went to the movies on my own kind

of yea. Well, because I have a long, weird story. I remember I went with the neighbors to a drive in and they took us to a kids movie and then all the kids fell asleep and me and mister Toole, the father, watched this really violent Clint Eastwin movie that I can't figure out which one it was. It might have been High Points Drifted, but I don't know if the timing it could have been like a like would make sense if it's like a put on a driving

double bill a few years after. But the first movie I remember seeing it was released as Godzilla Versus the Smog Monster, and but the real name is it's Godzilla versus head Raw He Dora. But when when I think about it, it just blew my mind. It was so great and and uh, it wasn't like the other Godzilla movies just because a lot of the fighting happened at night, so it looked a little less yeah, a little less cheesy.

But it was really funny because the Smog Monster, this monster was eight pollution, which seems like it would be good for the environment. But he lived, but he still was really mad. Yeah we did get rid of it. Yeah, so he was he ate pollution, and he got bigger and stronger and back she got so big he could actually fly. And then there's a great scene where Godzilla he's flying. Now he's got to fly to catch up with the smog Monster, and he breathes. He's not breathing fire.

It looks more like he's just like hot airs coming out of his mouth and he flies backwards. So God's little flies backwards with his like his heletosis, with his bad breath or something. And it looks awesome if you see it. But so this movie, and in the American version, they had added a song about saving the Earth and that was the name of the song, Saved the Earth, Save the Earth, saved there, and it's very psychedelic, and the whole movie is kind of trippy. It's very psychedelic.

But I came home after seeing that movie and the message spoke to me, and I told my mother that this is the greatest movie ever made, you know, like, like everybody's got to see this. What sing me this song? Oh, it's just goes save the Earth, Save the Earth. But there's there's a lot of lyrics. But that's the part that I remember fifty years later. But it was very woke. It was, you know, it was one of those weird Godzilla movies where godzill is actually a good guy. I

think Godzilla should just be a bad guy. That's more fun. But yeah, I'm so sorry I met Where did you grow up? Was this in la? Oh? I grew up in Central New York. I grew up in Syracuse, New York. Oh, okay, that's where I grew up with. That's why I grew up with Tom Kenny and Syracuse. Yeah so, so we've known each other since we were six, introduced by a crying nun for the for the folks listening tom Kenny's voice of SpongeBob, but he doesn't million other cartoons, but

Tommy was. This nun was sobbing, and she drags me into his classroom and leaves me, and she goes, I can't take him anymore. And I started crying because I thought I wasn't going to see my classmates. And Tom Kenny just thought it was really cool that I could make a grown nun cry. And he introduced himself during lunch. And I'll tell you where my ego is, like he he You know, Tommy had these big, thick glasses at first grade and he was really skinny, and and my

ego was, I gotta be this kid's friend. Man, he's doomed, wasn't It wasn't like, Oh I met another star. Belly sneeched, We're gonna be good friends, you know. I met another weirdo. I was like, I'll take him under my wing. But you know I didn't. I didn't have any friends. I'm gonna sort this fucking kid out. Jesus. I like that. I'm gonna tell him what's up. This kid needs a hero.

I'm here. This kid needs a hero, and this kid needs someone that's his parents are gonna be really excited that we're friends, because I would later on in high school i'd be going to jail and stuff and thank for you know bullshit. And Tom Kenny's mother goes, oh, so your friend was in the paper, your special friend. Yeah, riddle me this. What is the film that made you cry? To my? Are you a cryer? Do you cry? Well?

I cry a lot. Yeah. I actually just cried the other night watching um, The Electrical Life of Louis Wayne. Yeah that was Oh I cried all through it. But I mean that was just me. It was interesting. I got that script to consider rewriting it and directing it. You know, you still have to take meetings and stuff. But it wasn't the script they made. They did not

to boohoo the original script, but boy it was. It was so good and visually it was so great and It's really cool when you don't get a part or don't get a thing, and then the person that does it kills it, it is good. I meant. I met with Tim Burton years ago to be uh for Beetlejuice. It was like there was this little window where I had heat and I was on the list of names, and I met with Tim Burton and I didn't get the part. Obvious and uh so so so in another universe,

I'm Batman. Wow, I love that. But but when I saw Michael Keaton and what he did, I was like, oh, this is awesome. I'm glad that's not me. This is great. So uh yeah, that that Louis Wayne made me cry. But you know, I'm a sucker for people that people who are either mentally ill or perceived as mentally ill, that that have to create and doesn't matter what people say about them. I mean, they just have to. So

so that movie destroyed me. But like, uh, I'll tell you sorry about the movie that I bawled my eyes out. It has to do with me. Great. I went to see Man on the Moon the Andy Kaufman. I like it and I need to revisit it again. But so for years I had this persona people who aren't familiar with me. It was his character, and I always did interviews as that person and I just I didn't want Andy was a big hero, and I never felt I don't want people to know me, and I felt really

safe hiding behind this persona. And my mother hated it. My mother hated it. Yeah, my mother saw my first HBO special. She's like, well, I don't know how I can go to mass now. She thought her friends were gonna like hated the persona. And there's a scene in that movie where Andy's mother's just so fed up with Andy being Andy Kaufman and she's fed up with it and she just would like him to be her son. And my mother had just died, and my mother never

got that. My mother never got me just being me ever, and I lost it. It was like a premiere and I was just sobbing uncontrollably. So I mean, I could say it's a wonderful life. That's that's the answer, that's right there. I really appreciate that. I don't think I told anyone that. That's very very moving. I love the fact that I started out of the premiere just like

snodled down my face, like, well, I gotta go. Had you had you had you stopped doing the passign it by the point you'd seen the film or no, no, so I've been still hiding behind it. So my mother had never saw me just be myself. I mean, we're never herself self, but you know, never saw me just go out and and I think my mother hated the character. A friend of mine said, you know, your mother doesn't

hate you. Your mother loves you so much. She thinks that people should just applaud when you walk out on stage. She doesn't think you should do a character or tell jokes. I was like, okay, yeah, that's very sweet man. What's the I mean that's made me cry? What's the film that scared you to mice? And do you like being scared? Easily scared? I'm not easily scared, jump scared. At this point, I think we all are like, ah, all right, you know it's it's it's a bait and switch, you know,

but but I love to be scared. Uh, this is a stupid story, I'll guys. So I we were talking about the movie I made Will Creek, and I don't mean that this is it, but this is so there's that scene. It's nineteen minutes long and the camera never moves. We're just in a tent and you hear things. And I was in a theater watching it for the first time, and then a scare comes sasquatches outside the tent, and I screamed, and my friend, who was in the movie,

she goes, uh, that's you, dummy. Because I was a spoiler. I was big fun you know, I was outside the tent. But the reason I made that scene, it wasn't to make a scary movie. It was to make a suspenseful I didn't know if I could make a suspenseful thing like I always love when you're watching a Tarantino movie, there's always like a three people. Sometimes one of the people, one of the or persons aren't in the scene and you're at the edge of your seat and nothing's happening.

And that's what I was trying to do. I wanted to see if I could do that. But like jump Scares, you know, the first Tremors, I remember going to that and just thinking yeah, and I had low expectations, like I don't like reading reviews and no, I just saw Tremors. Yeah, I'm in it. You know whatever, let's go, you know, teen Wolf, what's it about? You know anything? It's just and that movie just I loved. I love the scares and obviously the cliches, you know, people like you know,

Jaws and things like that. But but Tremors was a great one. But I was listening to the program and Pete Holmes brought up The Strangers and I was like, oh, because that is one that is is terrifying the idea, because that's not that far fetched. Home invasion movies are always terrifying to me because that's not that far and fetch it does happen. And I live out in the woods, so yeah, I think that, like anyone who lives in

the woods in films are in danger. I can't think of a film where people live in the woods and it's fine. Yeah yeah, oh maybe straw Dogs. But outside of that, when you live remotely, yeah, it's like it's like I think my neighbors, you know, like I haven't even met the neighbors, you know. I remember when we moved here, it was snowing and I saw a bunch of deer in my backyard and I got a bunch of apples and ran out put on these boots and then I'm like out there and I'm like, hey, you're

in your underwear. So I'm just this guy. It's underwear being deer and bare duck boots. But I, um, I would have to say, like a movie and it's it's I don't know, I don't even know what it falls under, but like it's not a horror picture. But Requiem for a Dream is a terrifying movie. That is a fantastic ons and the fan and it's the Elements and it's an addiction and and mom, and yeah, that that that movie. I know it's it's blasphemy to you, but I did watch that one home. I did not seem to get out,

get out of here? Who are you? But but I have to say that I was so grateful I watched at home because I had to stop. I had to keep stopping. I was like, I go, I was like, oh my god, Like I stopped the movie. I was like, uh, all right, all right, you're you're not gonna get You're not gonna beat me. I'm gonna finish this movie. But yeah, that that to me, at least they will have a happy ending. Yeah, that is a horror picture. That is

a horror picture. That's timely a horror picture. It's and it's and it builds and builds and builds, and it's a very impressive piece of work. But I tell you what I really like really interesting about Reckon for Your Dream is I really loved that film. I was a

certain age, it was a certain time, et cetera. But there's like behind the scenes footage of it on the DVD, and wow, when you see because it's also quick cut, and when you see the actual filming of stuff, it looks insane, and it also looks quite shit, like it looks like, you know, the washing machine that's like a yeah, you know, actually filming that looks rubbish. It looks bad, and yeah, I'm sure it's probably done with fishing line

or something. Yeah. And there's a moment with like Christopher mcquarie and he and the behind the scenes looks like and maybe I'm reading stuff into it, but it looks like he's looking around like what the fuck have I signed up to like this? Like it looks on his face like this film is a disaster. What am I doing? And then it's all cut together and you go, this's a fucking masterpiece. Like, it's so interesting seeing it broken down like that. I should look at the behind the scenes.

I need to go back and watch it again because it's an amazing movie. But I remember more how drained I felt watching that. Yeah, it's it's really properly hardcore that film. Tell me this, what is a film that most people don't like. It's critically not acclaimed, but you love it unconditionally. Yeah, well it's it's definitely critically hated. But it's the movie Jack Frost. Michael Keaton. No, it's the horror one. Yeah, yeah, nineteen ninety seven, the one

before Jack. Yeah, Michael Keaton. Here's the thing about those two movies. Michael Keaton is a dad and learns to become a good dad by because after he gets killed the carrec and he turns into a snow man and then he be he learns how to be a good dad as a snow man. I don't know. So. And he's also rock and roll and he plays harmonica, which I don't Harmonica is not a rock and roll instrument. It's a it's for Hobos, Hobo's Hobos and Bob Dylan.

But there is one a year before where there's a serial killer and car accident and he escapes on the night that he's gonna be put to death, and then he reeks vengeance on a town where they're having their annual snowman making contest and he's got a grudge with the sheriff. Now, the reason that I love that movie is because, like you, I don't like to hate watch movies, and I don't even like to put down movies, but there's a spirit in that movie where they're trying their best.

They're trying to make a horror film. They're trying to make the snow Man Freddy Krueger, he's cracking wise, you know, and the it's snow. Snow is not scary, it's just so ingenious. So and when you watch the movie, I can tell that, like the snow in the actual town melted, so scenes from it's definitely got that ed Wood thing where there's snow and then they're walking and there's no snow. But there's a spirit to it that I love watching

because it's all in camera effects. It's all in camera effects. It's shooting things backwards, it's strings, it's puppets, it's it's all that kind of stuff. And I really love the movie and if it's on, I stop and I have to watch it. And I love Jack Frost. Now the other one, I haven't sat there yet, but I do know the plot because I auditioned for something in it. I know that. That's why I do the plot. I can't believe you are constantly chasing Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton

keeps taking your pot. I had that that prick I was. I was supposed to be in bird Man. You supposed to be bad Man. And Jack Frost, on the other hand, what is a film that you used to love a lot and then you've seen it recently and you don't love it anymore. It might not necessarily be because it's now bad. It might just be you your personal taste has changed. Like, what what's that? Yeah, well, I loved

Billy Jack growing up. Billy Jack. This actor Tom Laughlin plays this ex that and he says he's an indigenous person, but in real life Tom Laughlin wasn't. But he's a little bananas and it's a karate film. And the first time you see Billy Jack he shows up in a movie Born Losers. They gave Tom Laughlin, they let him make Billy Jack, but then he had to do this biker film and even though Born Losers came up first, Billy Jack. Billy Jack is one of the first movies

that was for Wald. He was before the blockbusters. Tom Laughlin bought national spots, bought up commercials, and bought up theaters. So he was the precursor to what happened with Jaws and all that stuff, because normally a movie would open in cities and keep rolling out. So he said, if I'm gonna have to spend this much money on TV commercials, So Billy Jack was a surprised, huge hit. Billy Jack he gives these long winded speeches before he kicked someone's

ass and that's the best. You know, he goes it's just they're beautiful, and he just goes on and on and on, and someone should just shoot him. But it's Billy act the world. So he gives he tells you, you know, he tells you, he describes the pain he's going to inflict on you, and and and then he does, and it's great. So the sequel was the Trial of Billy Jack. There's also Billy Jack goes to Washington and

this this whatever, But Billy Jack. The trial was the one I thought all those wonderful speeches were in, and I brought my girlfriend. I don't I know this is a podcast. I'll give you a visual aid. I actually had. I have a prop. I had a Billy Jack hat made amazing. So I go to the movie. I'm wearing the Billy Jack hat. It's the New Beverly. I'm sitting there. I'm sure everyone loved it behind me, and it's three hours long as he just he talks people to death.

There's no ask kicking. I'm just going, oh my god, and I'm like, you are the best girlfriend ever. Like like it does not hold up the trial, Billy Now, Billy Jack still does hold up the fights and everything. Three hours on TV right now, this is a very It's like, you look great. I look like indigenous Abraham Lincoln. What is the film that means the most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because the experience you had around seeing the film will always

make it special to you. Bobcat called t I'm gonna exclude like, like I've had really insane experiences, like you know, like the first movie I had at Sundance I shot for twenty grand with a crew from Craigslist. And then you sit in the theater and it's packed. It's so it's gonna I'm gonna cry, you know. And it's a rom com. It's called Sleeping Dogs Lie, but it was called Stay when it was at Sundance, and it was tiny bit of bestiality around comment, a little bit of beastiality.

And yeah, so that happens tastefully off camera, and we're at Sundance and I'm just I'm can't even I'm just a mess. I can't believe people are watching this movie projected. I didn't even think it could ever get projected. And the incident involving the bestiality happens at the beginning of the movie, very like I said, very tasteful off camera. And then this woman is getting up and she's gonna walk out of the theater. This is two minutes in, and her friend talks her into staying. And then about

an hour later, that woman was crying. She was watching the movie and she's crying, and my daughter elbows me and she goes, look at your friend, and I see the woman sobbing, and my daughter goes, yeah, you cry, bitch, you cry, but I would that speaking of my daughter. Actually the movie that watching it as very emotional as um. I think it's because it was called Dad Alive, but brain Dead the Peter Jackson. Yeah, yeah, because because years ago when my daughter was young, I got that for

Christmas and we watched it on Christmas. And then it's just becomes, isn't it. It's so glory, it's so beautiful again, puppets in camera. You know, it's really brilliant. It's just became a holiday tradition. So when I think of brain Dead, I think of, uh, my daughter. Finally, I think what you're saying about Stay or West Sleeping Dogs? Lie? Is that what westleping Sleeping dogs? Sleeping dogs? But yeah, Stay

is a much better name. They said that. They were said, well, we can't call it that because there's a movie called Stay coming out. And I always hope that somebody confuses that, you know what I mean, Like someone's watching it for it's well knowing they what's gonna blow a dog? But that is what you do. That is the thing that connects a lot of your friends. Is like with World's Great, It's Dad. There's a really sort of challenging incident. Yeah, well,

I mean it's it's also really moving. It's really it's really moving, and it is moving that family. It was funny because well, I don't care if was spoilers people, you know. So, so we had a screening and Billy Crystal comes up and he goes, you know, I watched the movie. I'm watching it and I'm going, oh, it's the father and son and the kids horrible. And then by the end they're gonna learned that they like each other.

And then you killed the prick. Yeah, and you're like, you're wait, wait what it sounds dead and he's horrible, and I'm so confused, you know. So so you know, I have such fun memories of me in that movie because Robin and I were really close. But you know, he was going to Abin was gonna he thought he was gonna do me a solid and play like a small part so I could get the movie going. And then he called me up and he said, oh, I'd like to play Lance, I'd like to play the guy.

Like yeah, I was like really, because I think you already I think you already did an English teacher pretty well. But yeah, I was like, I was like thrilled, you know, it was really fun working with it because it made me laugh because because like you know, there's always that time when I'm making a movie where the lead will look over and goes, I'm playing you, right, And I was like, and I go no, and my daughter's like, yes, yes, that's very interesting. What is the film that you must

relate to? What's the film you must relate to? Popcat go Twite? Well, I mean I guess it would be. I mean, I already said Man on the Moon, but I guess I relate to that movie where where it's it's you know, I relate to it. I mean, and I mean I guess the difference between myself and Andy. I mean, Andy was brilliant, but I you know, I couldn't. I couldn't be that mean to the people around me and keep the gag going. You know. That's my question

to you. There's a I don't know if you've watched it or been able to watch it, Jim and Andy. Have you seen the documentary? Yeah, that is hard to watch as Yeah, I was like, this is horrible to everyone around and I don't know how you're doing. Yeah, Like, I don't like you being horrible to everyone's yeah, Because then I'm saying, um, I'm removing myself from the equation.

I'm saying that you're foolish now when I go on stage and I do something odd or what I used to the idea was, you know, I was trying to make fun of stand up comedy, which again that sounds very pretentious, but but I wasn't saying that you guys don't get this. You know. I wanted them to come along with me, you know. But you know, one day I was with Robin and we're having dinner and he says he's he's being on, he's being robbing, and he's entertaining the people around us, and I said, I'm like,

I don't know why you do that. It's like why I go, I go, everybody already agrees that you're the funniest guy in the world, you know, I mean, you can't get I mean, you know, you couldn't get any more popular. And and then it came back to me and he was like, why do you piss people off? Like He's like, I see you when you're doing really well,

and then you'll say something on purpose. And we were laughing about it, and I said, well, your former neuroses is way more lucrative than mine, because I even in the movies I make, it's like, are you still gonna like me? Are you still? You know? Is that that thing? And that's the challenge sometimes for me is to go, can I pull this movie off? I'm not trying to blow people's minds. It's more like, can I pull this?

Can I pull this off? And in fact, the most recent script I wrote, I actually wrote a children's movie because that seemed to be the hardest thing I could wrap my brain around. And the world is so dark, I thought the most punk rock thing I could do right now is to write a hopeful film. I like that. What was your answer? What's your answer to what Robin Williams said to you? I said, because they go and they go, oh we saw Robin Williams. Oh he's so funny.

And Bobcat goldth was there. Did you know what he said? And I go, I own them more. I'm in there, I'm I'm I'm in their brain. You know you? They just love me that like that fucking guy. I A fucking right. Yeah, So that's old Bobby's power. Interesting, what is Bobcat? What is the sexiest film I'm gonna go with for me, not the sexiest film it was is

all that jazz Bob Fosse film Rights. It's just, first of all, the women are all beautiful, and then you know, I'm feeling all these different emotions during the takeoff that the when when he rewrites the musical about an airline, it's so funny, and then he manages to make it

sexy and dirty and hot. And then I identified with that manic thing, like, you know, he had Bob Fosse was, you know, editing Lenny, and he had a year where he got Tony Oscar and the Emmy Emmy Tony Oscar in the same year he actually beat out Godfather, and which is a horrible burden to put on someone. It's like, what do you do now? And that movie is kind

of like that. Now, obviously I have never achieved that kind of thing, but there's certainly been parts in my life where I was juggling relationships and I was juggling, Um, you know, I'm directing this TV show and I'm right in this movie and I'm doing stand up and I'm doing this and that and this and that, and it's a sexy movie. But not a good not a good way to live your life. Yeah, that's right now. I like that. It's a good, very good answer. There's a

subcategory to this question. The subcategory is called troubling bone is worrying? Why duns? What is the film that you found a rousing that you weren't sure that you should. Well, I'm gonna give you two answers, because there's the one as a kid is uh, it's a million dollars duck. The million dollars duck. It was a Walt Disney picture and it was stand he loves ducks. It wasn't a duck man. No, I would never molest the duck. There, I would never. I would never molest I would never.

I would never molested duck. An answer to a question that I would ask, I would never. If you wake me up in the middle of the night, I would never molest the duck. We weren't talking about that, bob. Uh. But Uh, Sandy Duncan who I don't know if you would know who she is. She do Disney films. She was on she had a serious she was just like when I was a kid, who's doing a lot of stuff. And she always played the mom and I just was. I had it so hot for her Man the Mom

and a million dollar Duck. There's this period of Disney films where they weren't making their animated films when they did these live action movies a lot Kurt Kurt Yeah, Jean Jones, Jones, Yeah, like the computer were tennis shoes. Nice? See him? Now you don't the World's Grace Athlete, all these different movies and million dollars Duck Cat from outer Space and one million dollars duck was It's this heaven,

It's my heaven. There's a scene where there's there's thousands of ducks, uh, and they're all not flying, They're just they're running. And so I had it bad for Sandy Duncan. Now the other one was Okay. So I started working on a TV show and I just met I'll just say it. So it was when I first started working on the Chappelle Show. Probably knew him for a day or two. Hey, I'm going to the movies with my wife.

You want to go? I love to And we watched Secretary Meggy Joan, which is a very erotic movie here with Dave and his wife, and I'm like, yeah, you guys near any pop. It was so fucking awkward. That's fucking mad to go on the day with a couple to secretary. Again my fault because I the less I know about a movie I love. I love going into a movie blind, and I think because of that. I mean,

there's no way certain movies you're you're gonna know. But every once in a while, like there's always this big debate about American is it a good movies bad movie? I wanted that movie blind. It was an amazing movie. I loved it, you know, and if I had a caught wind of people debating its nature and all that crap um. So I love when I go to like like even pulp fiction, I know it was gonna be great,

it's gonna be Clinton Tarantino. But I didn't I'm purpose, I didn't read anything about it right, And I went with Eric Idel So Eric, I remember Eric, and I remember Eric and I just watching that movie and like screaming and looking at each other laughing, just like screaming with laughter. But like, yeah, it's pretty good. That's very nice. Objectively, what is the greatest film of all time? I believe me again, the greatest film of all time, and I'm not.

I'm going with a modern movie and it's Boogie Nights. The reason I think that's a great movie, thank You, is because it's got at all. It's got romance, it's hilarious. Know those guys in the studio, It's got all the all. It checks all the boxes. You know, there's a chase, you know, there's just everything about that movie is so amazing. It's so wonderful and and scary and dark and oh you can have it. Oh it's a beautiful movie. And uh I was speaking, I had like talking about Grover,

you know, I had the Chris Farley show. Thing was when I had a meal with Alfred Millenney, you know, and asking him about that scene, you know, and it was so great, like you know, the firecrackers are going off and h pt Anderson had earplugs in Alfred's so so he wouldn't react to the fireworks going off. Nice. He's like Rickey Springfield, personal friend of mine. You know. I just love that scene. That's Chinese, that he's Chinese. Good. What is the film that you could or have? What's

the mist Iver and Iver again? The movie that it's on? I gotta stop what I'm doing and watch. Uh, there's two, but the one, the biggest one would be Edwarod. I love that movie. I actually I have a Edwarod tattoo. Yeah yeah, here we go, get it. This is Patroon section. This is just it's just on my ass. Okay, So there's Edward. Oh wow for the listener at ho. I'm that isn't it fucking detailed? Big ass amazing sat on

his um? That is really really good man. And and my sister goes, your uncle got ed Hardy on his arm. I'm like, no, that's good. I don't believe Edward is the worst footmaker of all time. I think if you're you know, if if you're not imaginative, if you're making a movie just for money, if you're not if there's you know, there's so much add is in those movies, you know, they're never boring. I think boring boring is

the biggest crime. Now you don't want to you don't want to have a worst one, then I get it. But if you did, what's your West film? Oh, worst film? I never saw all of it. It was the Social Network, incredible, incredible, surprising onset well, David Fincher's super talented and Aaron Sorkin.

I love Aaron Sorkin. But when I sat there and I'm sitting there gonna wait, is this about these doochy Ivy League bros becoming billionaires on an app on a platform that's designed originally to check out women and rate their breasts and faces? I was like, the only thing they could save this is like Travis Bickle walking in and shooting them all in the face. I mean, I just and when I figured out because I'm not on

Facebook and I'm not one of those guys. So so I was watching the movie, I was like, Oh, this is really what this movie is about. I don't give a fuck about any of these people. Very very interesting because I hate that plot device, even it was very big in the nineties. There was a secret to my success. I think in Michael J. Fox movies. It's like these movies where the plot was you got rich and that

was supposed to be. I mean, like, if you're struggling and you hear some blow hard guy from the eighties, listen a bunch of police academies telling you that money's not where it's at man, They'll go, well, fuck off, man, You've got you've already sold your soul being in talking horse movies. You gotta sack on you. But when that's the when that's the prize, it's just ridiculous. You know. It's just like those movies where like Revenge of the Nerds,

the nerds at the end aren't nerds. They're just acting like bros. They're womanizers and they're they're just the frat guys. So those movies were all greenlit by frat guys. Yeah, see Night Sing. You're in comedy, you're a comedian. What's the film that made you laugh the most. There's a couple. There's a movie called Little Murders that not a lot of folks know about. It's Elliott Gould and Charles Fleischer. Charles Fleischer though, that's Jules Jules Piper, Charles Fleischer. Roger

Rabbit wrote it. Jules Piper wrote it. It's about as dark as it gets, and Elliot Gould produced it, and it's hilarious, and it's just about it's in the seventies and it's just about how horrible we're becoming as people. And one of the complaints from the movie I did, God Bless America was that people didn't talk that way because people will do these big long speeches, but I'm directly ripping off little murders because people do these big

long speeches and I won't ruin it. But but where that movie ends up for their the happy ending is so I was like, oh God, damn it. I wish I came up with that. So but then, like, you know, I'm not so bourgeois that, like, you know, like what we do in the Shadows was hilarious. I mean, but what we do in the Shadows, But that has in common with me with when I was a kid and I saw Young Frankenstein, I walked out of the theater and just bought another ticket and walked back in. Dummy

me didn't know. I could have just sat there. But that was the first movie that I watched twice, you know, like on purpose, and it just changed my mind. You know, I changed my mind. It blew my mind, It changed my world. You know, I didn't know it, but subtextually, I think I was looking at mel Brooks. You know, I just loved his movies, producers and you know mel Brooks.

So but when I would read a poster as a kid, I didn't look at who started, and I always looked at who directed it and who wrote it, which I should have known forty years ago that this is what I wanted to do, being behind the camera. And it was interesting because when we were kids, and by the time we got to middle school, Tom Kenny has got a picture of Mel Blank and his lacquer, and I've got young Frankenstein and my lacker. So he wanted to be Mel Blank and I definitely wanted to be Mel

Brooks and I didn't even know it. That is excellent, Pobcat golfway. This has been an absolute treat. I've loved this. You've been wonderful and I really appreciate it. However, when you went skydiving, and you love skydiving, it's your fake thing.

You love it, but you thought I've got you got a bit cocky with it, and you forgot to put on a parachute and you jumped out and you thought, oh shit, you realize you didn't have a parachute, and you thought, I'm going to say something profound, and you started singing Save the Earth, Save the Earth as you cloud towards the grunt, and suddenly the ground got an era and you shit yourself, You shoot your pants, you

shoot yourself inside out. And then there was a bus of orphans headed towards You could see him come and you're like, oh, well, maybe i'll kill all these orphans, and you slammed into the bus. It'll be a good story. You didn't know because you were mostly ship by this point, and all that happened was you just splattered orphans with ship. And I was walking along, you know, with a coffin. You know, I'm like, and I see this bus as you do, as you do, this bus of children and

they're covered in shit, and they're all laughing. They're laughing. They're like, what's happened? And I'm like, oh, there he is. So I clear up what I can of you put you in the coffin. But like I'm having to like get the fucking jewels of life because some of you are so embedded in this bus for having to cut off the ceiling of the bus, and like I'm also like, I'm going over to the kids and I'm like, I'm really sorry, can I just scrape some of that shit

off your face? Because that's bobca, you know what I mean. As much as I'm trying to get his master. The cat put you all in the coffin. It's absolutely jam packed in there of shit and bus and you and I and there's only there's no room in this coffin. Let's be honest. There's only enough room to slide one DVD in the side for you to take across to the other side. And on the other side. It's a movie night every night, and one night it's your movie night.

What film are you taking to show the people the ducks of heaven when it is your movie night, Bobcat Colt guy. Well, here's the thing. All the other people and ducks they brought in, you know, two thousand and one, they brought in Citizen King, they brought in Casablanca. It's so high that they don't understand how awesome those films are until I bring in Jack Frost And now they get And by the way, I mean the Michael Keaton one. Yeah, yeah, just so they just so they have it's it's just

so they get a balance. They go, holy shit, they were making No I would bring in the schlocky fun one because well, also, how can you gauge what's good or bad if you don't But it's not even bad. You know, it's it's it's like you say, nobody starts to make a piece of crap, and I guarantee you everybody and Jack Frost was trying their best. And and that's what I love about that movie, you know, like

famously God loves a try it tryer. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's, uh, there's a difference between Jack Frost and Mac and Me. Mac and Me is made by McDonald's. That's a horrible film, just because you know, that's the only reason that movie exists. But Jack Frost, they were trying man, and and I want other people to to to to sit in a theater and look over at each other and go, are we really it's just really happening? Is this the kind of molested the duck? I never

molested a duck. I did not molest the duck. This is the last time we let the duck fucker pick the pictures? Bobcat, what's a pleasure? Is there anything before you go you would like to tell people to look out for, or to watch or to listen to of yours coming up? I would say if folks checked out the documentary of me and Dana Gould doing stand up it's on the road, but it's it's a bit of

a narrative of a documentary. It was just going to be a movie about it was just gonna be stand up but then the pandemic hit, so it gets into all of our lives. That's called joy Ride. That's joy Rides the movie. Folks should listen to this podcast. I really love this podcast. I live out in the middle of the woods, and when I listened to it, I feel like I have a lot of friends and I don't even know you. So it was great man. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for your time.

I've loved doing this. I hope you have a wonderful death. And to you, sir, thank you. It's Likes Ducks. So that was episode one hundred and seventy three. Head over to patreon dot com forward Slash Breck Golds team for the extra twenty twenty five minutes of chat, secrets and video with Bobcat. Go to Apple Podcast, give us a five star rating and write about the film that means the most to you and why it's a lovely thing to read. Helps numbers, Marian loves it. You're all appreciated.

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