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I am your co-host, the Father, a.k.a. Pastor Matt. And I am joined, as always, by my trusty co-host, Jackson the Sun. And just like Jason in Friday, Part 6, we're back with a vengeance. And by that, I mean... We're pretty much just doing the same thing we've always done. And by the way, should I call you Dr. Dad now or what? What's the prerogative? I don't know. I have no idea. But yeah, finished my PhD qualifying exam.
technically a PhD, still have a dissertation to write, so we'll see how that goes. And as you can hear, recovering from the flu. Oh, man. So... Getting over that, Megan and I got hit with that. So we had a stereo of coughing going on for two weeks. But so there's been so much going on. We've been so busy. Haven't recorded in a long time. You've been busy.
You're in your last semester of film school, dude. Yeah, it's insane. The world isn't ready for me, and I'm not ready for the world, but we'll see what happens. We're on a collision course, so something's going to happen. But you're doing a lot of work. A lot of work, yeah. Lots of plates spinning. I was telling you I'm doing three audio post-production mixes for three films.
And I'm recording an album with my band. And I'm doing a new docuseries about Ween on YouTube. So lots of plates spinning. You told me. So this documentary on Ween. Yes. You've gotten tens of thousands of views for this. Yeah. And I am completely ignorant, which means there has to be some other people who are as well. Who is wean? So, yeah, so ween is if you're of a certain age, like if you're a Gen X person, you might.
like in the deep recesses of your brain might recognize wean from they were they were kind of big on mtv not big big but they were well known on mtv at least in the early 90s they had a hit called push the little daisies which is not really indicative of their sound but they're they're a duo of started out as a duo at least of two guys gene and dean ween uh that's not the real names but uh but gene and dean ween who make experimental music i would say like think um
What can I compare to? Think the more experimental side of the Beatles, right? Like the revolver. era beatles that's kind of wean's bag um and uh just super experimental super out there like outsider music and it's it's the story of two guys who just totally steamrolled the end. They got everything they ever wanted by not compromising at all. They did exactly what they wanted to do. They got a record deal with Elektra while still making lo-fi noise music. And yeah, it's kind of a triumph.
But it's a roller coaster, too, as you'll see in upcoming episodes. I will have to check it out now that I've got some – I've got a little more time. I will check it out. They're from New Hope, Pennsylvania, so not far from Dr. Shock. That's right. Right, yes, from the homeland. And yet very, very, very New Hope. That Trenton, New Jersey, New Hope, Pennsylvania area is so deeply entwined in the sound of weeing.
uh if you can parse what that means but uh but yeah it's it's a it's an indie triumph is the way i would describe wean an indie triumph and that's that's kind of what the documentary is about but that's one of the many projects i've been i've been uh working on recently so that that's kept me very busy uh but it's weighed heavily on my mind the fact that we haven't talked yet about the films of 2024 because 2024 is
far in the rearview mirror we are we are almost midway through 2025 now and we have yet to talk about our top tens of 2024. I know, but I was slow to get to a lot of these movies. I just watched one this week. And so, yeah, my top 10 has been changing. And that's what we're talking about, our top 10 horror movies.
of 2024 we should also say that our voting is going on for the horror oscars that's right yeah the last category was published on patreon we still have a few uh we're waiting on some votes we got a few ties in there if i remember correctly so okay waiting on that but very excited to go through those.
and uh yeah it's it it was a good year for for horror authors lots of contentious categories i know i heard from kate lamp the other day and she was saying that this is the best picture in particular is is one of the hardest uh polls in in recent memory and even hard or I would say than the best picture of the actual Oscars this year. Because we all knew it was between The Brutalist and Enora. Did you watch the Oscars?
I did. Yes. Yeah. Conan, the goat of, of hosting Conan. Conan did a good job. Is, is Adrian Brody still speaking? I think he is, yeah. He's in the dark. Nobody's in the audience, but he's still going. Yeah, that's just, listen, I love Adrian Brody's performances. That's just how he is. I've seen his Instagram. Every single day he uploads a story.
that's like 45 minutes of him talking about, I don't know, how McDonald's is like the perfect antithesis of capitalism or whatever. That's just how Adrian Brody is. But a great actor, one of the best. He's a great actor, but goodness sakes. I was like, oh, come on, dude. Turn off the music. Well, and that wasn't the weirdest thing.
All right. So he gave the longest Oscar speech in history. The weirdest thing, I don't know if you noticed when he walked up, he just kind of tossed his gum that he had in his mouth to his girlfriend. It was like here. It was like. Dude, what are you doing? That's disgusting. What are you doing, man? You don't just toss your used gum at your girlfriend. That was weird. Maybe they're into that. I don't know. It was weird. I don't know.
The whole thing was weird. I did think Conan did a good job. I have no idea what the whole... James Bond dance number was about when they were like, we're doing a tribute to James Bond. I'm like, oh, they're going to have Timothy Dalton. And Daniel Craig and Pierce Brosnan walk on stage. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to have a dance number. And it's like, what? Am I watching Lawrence Welk? Is this the Donnie and Marie show? What in the world is going on? That was.
bizarre it's strange too because james bond isn't over it got sold to amazon and i guess that's what they're like lamenting i don't know what the deal is Yeah. It's that they're looking for a new James Bond right now. It's like, yeah, I guarantee you. Let's be real though.
the the amazon prime james bond show is not going to be good so in a way we kind of have reached the end i understand like like if they can mess up lord of the rings they can mess up james bond you know that's true that's true but we we shall see I'm still kind of rooting I would like to see Henry Cavill be James Bond I think yeah Idris Elba and Henry Cavill have long been in the running Idris Elba I think Idris Elba 10 years ago would have been perfect I think
I'm sorry, I think he's a little too Roger Moore view to a kill at this point. Right, right. he's, he's kind of getting up there. He's my age. You don't want to start playing James Bond in your fifties. I'm sorry. Sure. That's, that's, I think that's the thing. If it was one movie, it would be fine, but you know, they like to do four or five. So yeah.
the right thing and they had made daniel craig the james bonds and like in like the early 2000s like 2004 and then they've just done like four movies every two years like they did with roger moore and daniel craig who always said that he loved playing it but he just couldn't do it for that long because it's just too much work
And he's like, OK, 2012, I'm out. OK, bring in Idris Elba to do three movies. Fine. You know, but at this point, anyway, Oscars was weird. But our horror Oscars, which are more important than the Oscars. because who's going to be talking about Anora in 10 years? The Cinemax version of Pretty Woman. Anyway, so...
I like Inora, but that's just me. I don't think it's Best Picture worthy, but that was surprising to me. An Inora sweep, I was not predicting, because it doesn't seem like an Academy movie. No. I was fully locked in for The Brutalist, but I think maybe they switched it last second so that Adrian Brody wouldn't be on stage again. Maybe. Anyway, it's... Let's talk about 2024 and horror, which was, you know, in my opinion, a lot of really good movies. And.
That's all I can say. It was not a bad year. I think it was a good year. There are a lot of movies that I really liked. Whether or not there was one that I think will be a classic, well... We'll see. So let's jump in, shall we? Shall we jump in? Let's jump in. Should we talk about honorable mentions or should we just dive into the top? Let's wait. You want to hold honorable mentions until we get to like number one?
okay that's fair yeah yeah let's do that okay my number 10 uh is one that was technically a 2023 release you know how the whole festival thing is we don't have to go over that it whatever whatever is a 2024 movie is a 2024 it doesn't really matter uh i didn't talk about it last year which is the important thing but my number 10 is strange darling The new J.T. Molnar picture. I know you saw this recently. But this is just Strange Darling. Solid, small-scale thriller.
It's got a cool memento-esque editing gimmick. Great character work from Willa Fitzgerald and, of course, the GOAT, Kyle Gallner. And there were fun cameos from Ed Begley Jr. and Barbara Hershey. I love that. That took me totally by surprise that when Ed Begley Jr. and Barbara Hershey showed up. And by the way, I have actually, and we used to have this.
contest in Hollywood when I lived there who's picked up Ed Begley more often because he had one of the first electric cars and it kept breaking down on Laurel Canyon. And so like every person I knew had picked up Ed Begley Jr. at one point and driven him to a garage so he could get a tow. And because this was before cell phones, I picked up Ed Begley Jr. So that was it was great to see him. Yes. Yes. Ed Begley Jr. was in my Chevy, my my Chevy Blazer.
From Glockner's Inn at Portsmouth, Ohio. He rode in my passenger seat. What did you guys talk about on the commute? Or was it dead silent? No, we talked and he was very nice. He complained the whole time about his car and he apologized like 20 times. And I was like, it's fine, man. It's fine. It's cool. And so.
And it was funny because I went to work and I was like, I just picked up Ed Begley Jr. And my brother, your uncle Brian looked at me and said, yep, done that about three times. I was like, okay. It's like that's that's the tally right in Hollywood. It's it's who who's picked up at Bigley Jr. and who slept with Billy Idol the most amount of times? Well, good lord. Who knows? Yeah, both of those are astronomical numbers, but.
Yeah, let's just say we will be talking about Strange Darling again. That's good to know. It's just, it feels like... a relic from a time when lots of these like cerebral character dramas were coming out it's like secret window or identity that kind of thing um yeah it feels very 90s
For sure, yeah. It's definitely of a simpler time. Like I said, Memento is another one to compare it to. It's a recommend for me. The reason it's not number 10 is... but it's absolutely an indie triumph that people know about this and that it was a super low budget you know indie movie i don't really necessarily know how memorable this will be on on rewatch if this will be like
one that will have any staying power but i really enjoyed it while i watched it it's got that super gimmicky opening title card that's like shot entirely on film awesome dude it's very indie movie but i had a really good time with strange darling And again, another Kyle Garner joint. He is, he's the king of, of the, he's a scream queen, not queen king. He's a scream king. There we go.
of 2024 so strange darling number 10 uh i would give it a 7 out of 10 uh and it was a good time yeah i i liked a little more than you but yeah i really liked it we will talk about it again nice my number 10 is um a movie we watched together and i'm gonna go ahead and apologize to everyone who doesn't listen to us regularly that yes my wife's demon possessed dogs are barking somewhere in the background there because but as you say that's just
tradition at this point on our podcast. Clarkie and Sissy, who adore Jackson, by the way. They don't adore everybody, but they adore him. My number 10 is Late Night with the Devil. All right. Yeah. Really played around with this. Really, I had a few issues with it. But I think the casting is fantastic. I think they nailed the set pieces. And for somebody who was born in the 70s.
a lot of fun yeah yeah it's not on my top 10 i think this would this would land just outside um but uh but a really solid pick um really again another solid nd one i know this one got some flack for using some ai generated assets But I think that shouldn't overshadow that.
The lead performance is fantastic in this film. It's a really fun throwback to that Johnny Carson era and a pretty cozy one. It does go bonkers in the third act. So if that's not really what you're looking for, just watch through the second act.
and shut it off. As soon as something spooky happens, be like, oh, that's fun. Shut it off if that's all you want to see. That's all you'll get. I like the whole thing, but I agree. It sometimes feels tonally like they didn't know exactly where it was going. Sure. But, and I never know how to pronounce the lead actor guy who plays Jack. David. I think. Yeah. Okay. All right. I never can. He's, but he's great in it. Yeah.
absolutely yeah he perfectly exemplifies that kind of uh the dad kind of like talk show host but you know that behind the scenes there's something sleazier going on he's got that down to a tee and and yeah a great performance cool uh production design it's it's very of the era so yeah just outside my top 10 but but a solid pick for number for number 10 i think good deal what's your number nine buddy my number nine is cuckoo uh the film who's this directed by by tillman finger New.
newish director, I think. I think this is their first feature. But Cuckoo is a slick, it's Twilight Zone-esque. It's a really cool mystery thriller. I don't think the script is a work of genius or anything.
uh but that greater lore being hinted at with there being another human species uh it's like so different than than us is really cool the cuckoo people are really cool i love their whole time loop hallucination power uh and the design of the mom cuckoo is really creepy that's like one of the more memorable villain designs i think as of late um hunter shaffer is really good
movie the setting is really cool um it's like a resort in the alps it's really neat it's a fun picture i don't think it's one i'll be revisiting often necessarily but um but yeah cuckoo fun watch uh good mystery thriller again twilight zone-esque this feels very much like it would be a 40 minute twilight zone or tales from the crypt or whatever with a what's going on at this resort type thing um and and i think the only shortcoming is that it's a feature film instead of a an episode like that
I hear what you're saying there. I actually did not finish it. I started it and did not get to finish it. So I do want to finish it. I liked what I saw, but I see what you're saying. So, yeah, so obviously didn't make my list. But yeah, from what I saw, I really liked. Well, my number nine is one that somewhat surprised me, even though I trust the director. And that's Alien Romulus. And I really think, and this did get some love.
And beyond horror, I saw a couple of different award shows at least give it a nomination for special effects and that kind of stuff. And it looks fantastic. Alien Romulus. I'm a huge fan of the Alien universe, and I thought this one, especially just the feeling of it, did a great job. Yeah. yeah i agree 100 it like you said looks great it's got that filmic quality to it um and the cinematography it's got that gritty kind of 16 millimeter look um great production design
I think it's absolutely the best entry in the series in a while, which isn't necessarily saying much, but it's still a pretty cool throwback. I actually liked Alien Covenant. I kind of actually liked Alien Covenant. It's a fine watch.
It's a fine watch, but I don't know how much it adds. You know what I mean? But for Alien Romulus, my main problem is that in a lot of ways, it... it sort of feels like a soft reboot of alien with prometheus concepts just kind of given lip service yeah so i don't see a huge amount of
of reason to revisit Romulus on its own merits, which is why it's, it's just outside of my top 10. But, but I still really enjoyed it. And, and yeah, Fetty Alvarez, absolutely awesome director. And it's not quite to the level of Evil Dead. No, but don't you get the kind of feeling from Fede Alvarez that he's just having fun?
Yeah, oh, 100%. Yeah, this is a love letter to Alien for sure. I just don't know how essential it is, if that makes sense. But just like, you know, because he co-wrote the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, you know, thing from Netflix a few years ago. And it just feels like he's like, oh, wait a minute. You're going to give me the opportunity to make this thing that I've loved to live in this universe for nine months that I've loved since I was 12.
Sign me up. Yeah, and I would do the same. I 100% don't blame him for that at all. And like I said, it's an awesome love. In a lot of ways, Romulus feels kind of like a fan film, an alien fan film.
um but because i guess that's exactly what it is but again i i think there's some issues especially with the third act um but but yeah alien alien romulus solid pick solid alien film uh and you could do worse as far as alien films go yeah i think it's a lot of fun but okay what what's your pick what's next on your list buddy my my number eight is smile two uh which
solid improvement on the first film. I caught this one in theaters. It's more ambitious in almost every way from the first one. It's like the Gremlins 2 of Smile films. And the fact... The fact that we're following a pop star who's constantly in the public eye, I think that makes for a way more interesting setup than a private citizen like Sosi Bacon and Smile One.
So I just think that always being in the limelight, every little smile freakout you have is broadcast to thousands of people instantly. I think that ups the tension a lot. and that that scene with kyle golner i think that's contender first scene of the year it's one of the best cold opens in recent memory um it's it's awesome i did find myself a little disappointed with the whole uh
You know, this is spoiler, but not the end of the movie. It's a slight spoiler. But you know, we're our spoiler podcast. You've seen Smile 2 also, by the way. Everyone's seen Smile 2. This did very well. But I did find myself a little disappointed.
the whole she didn't actually kill her mom that was a hallucination thing in the third act i kind of wish they would have stuck with those consequences right and seen yeah the main character just kind of have to deal with that fallout um I do think it ends strong overall.
and and yeah i'm excited to see where the series goes next i'm i was talking to my friend after we came out of this movie i was like i'm ready for smile in space let's get the smile virus on the on the iss because they're stuck up there for the foreseeable future so let's get the smile I did like the movie. It did make my top 10. I did think it was a little long.
I thought it could have been a little tighter. But other than that, yeah, I agree that it's more ambitious than the first one, and I like that. But it didn't quite make my top ten. Yeah, that's fair. All right. Well, my number eight is A Quiet Place Day One. Nice. I thought it was solid. It didn't hit me anywhere near the first one.
I didn't think it was action-packed as the second one, but I thought the cast was really good. I mean, well, Lupita Nyong'o could do no wrong. I mean, she's just a fantastic actress, and she's got a great part of it. But I just thought it was a solid intro. Yeah. Yeah, agreed. This is an honorable mention for me. It's like you said, great cast, really ballsy move to have the first act just be.
just be a cancer drama you know what i mean that's like a very interesting bent to the whole thing because with the first quiet place we're already in the action right we start off already in the apocalypse and and a quiet place part two we see the the apocalypse happening in the first scene for this one we're with these characters for 20 minutes before the aliens invade um so it's it's kind of an interesting
uh angle to to head at this from uh i i kind of liked the fact that it was a more of a character drama than a horror film but yeah um for me the the only thing keeping this out of the top 10 is just I just don't really think it's there memorability-wise. Like, we get that final sting like, oh, isn't this awesome? You know, she's playing the music, you know, whatever.
But it just felt like as soon as the credits rolled, I was like, yep, I'm not going to remember this in a month. I don't know what it is about it, but I'm kind of burnt out on A Quiet Place, I think. And that may be it. I just thought it was really solid. I hear what you're saying. It stuck. with me, I think, longer than it did you. However...
I completely get what you're saying. And for whatever reason, because I love Lupita Nyong'o and I liked that. I agree with you. I like that. I thought that was bold. I thought that was gutsy. And it should. up you know kind of the suspense and the emotional attachment but it didn't quite from the first movie and i thought that was strange
In the first movie, there's that whole family aspect. They're children. You know what I mean? And it's all about John Krasinski trying to protect his children at all costs. Whereas in this film, it's two adults who are just kind of wandering through the city. There's only so much because we've seen adults in peril. You know what I mean? We've seen that a million times. Just inherently when children are involved, I think the stakes are upped. And the fact that it's, you know, it's adults.
and in new york city and they're new yorkers right they're tough right so it's a little less i think there's a little little less peril um but but yeah still a solid watch still still an interesting way to take the franchise they could just keep doing emily blunt movies um so it was a bold move to try to take this in a different direction but but yeah just just not super memorable
for me, I would say. Fair enough. What's your number? What's your next one, buddy? What's your number seven? My number seven is I saw the TV glow. Maybe the weirdest movie you'll see all year. I don't know. Maybe you watch some really weird movies. Who am I to say? But I saw the TV glow. Very interesting film. I really enjoy Brawl going to the World's Fair, which is this director's last film.
But TV Glow sees that kind of like moody slice of life quality of World's Fair in the context of an actual narrative and TV Glow. So I think that it's even more effective. Huge leap in ambition. And it has one of the most disturbing endings of the year when you consider it metatextually, when you consider who's making the film, what it's really saying. Very disturbing.
Great, great soundtrack by Alex G. Love Alex G. The movie has... it's like crazy haunting but you just feel bad when you're watching it uh and it's it's it's only this low because like so many like larry clark or gus van sant movies it this makes for a pretty depressing watch so you it'll probably put you in a bad mood uh but yeah i love i saw the tv glow very excited to see where the director goes next and uh that's my number seven
All right. Well, I actually didn't see it. Meant to. I recommend it. Still on my watch list. If you like more abstract, more character-based drama. Well, I know you hate Skin of Meringue, so. Yeah, I hate Skin of Meringue, but I love David Lynch. So is that any work? Oh, there you go.
Okay. Definitely. It's definitely Lynchian. It's sort of like, what can I compare it to? You know how Mulholland Drive, there are kind of like undertones of... lesbianism and that that's like a like a kind of a through line sometimes not even undertones yeah sometimes right right there yeah I mean, yeah, the text of the film, yeah. But that's basically, and again, that's also how I saw the TV glow is, but for trans issues. So it's like, what if, what if, what if like...
trans issues were framed through the lens of like a creepy old show that you used to watch. It's an interesting experiment. It's like Goosebumps or Buffy the Vampire Slayer. vibes meets this harrowing lynchian uh like drama about trans issues so it's a really interesting film it's very slice of life it's very like
It's very realistic in a way while also being surreal. It's hard to explain. I would recommend it. You may not like it. It may not be your bag. That's totally okay. But it's an interesting film. It's my number seven. Very excited to see what the director does next. Because again, this is a huge leap in ambition from their last film. Okay. Yeah, I will check it out. It's on my watch list. I just haven't made it to it yet.
My number seven, something tells me you're going to be disappointed that it's this low on the list. And it's the substance. That's fair. I can't say I enjoyed it. I can say I really appreciate it. Sure. I think the performances are great, and I've always loved Demi Moore, and I've always loved Dennis Quaid. And so...
You know, that was great, and it is great to see them, though I think Demi Moore should have won the Oscar, because I do think this is her best performance, and I've been watching Demi Moore since the early 80s. I think is clearly her best performance. There are, there are, I'm not really into some of the just gross out stuff, but, but, and I was eating popcorn. I watched this and didn't really want to be. Oh boy.
And I do think there are plot holes in it. Like, there are points where I was just going, what is she really getting out of this? So there are parts where I thought, this is a little weird, but... But overall, I just think she's so solid in it. And of course, the irony is that she loses the Oscar to a young actress for Edward.
Yeah. It's like, is nobody, does nobody in Hollywood get irony anymore? Yeah. Well, yeah, the members of the Academy are Dennis Quaid in this film, right? So that's, maybe they felt it was a personal attack, but. But yeah, we will be talking about this film again. I love this film. I can understand what you're saying, as far as plot holes go, but it's absolutely more of a metaphorical type of film, right? The substance is more than it appears.
But yeah, we'll be talking about this again. Not for everyone. I will 100% acknowledge that. It is, yeah, like you said, as far as body horror goes, maybe the grossest thing. Yeah, my wife, Megan, wanted nothing to do with it. Nothing to do with it. Yeah.
so yeah well that that's that's totally fair i'm glad it made your top 10 at all um i just think it's a ton of fun i'll talk about it in more depth later but um but yeah i i absolutely agree that demi moore should have should have won the the oscar because again yeah we just talked about on Retro Movie Geek for The Seventh Sign. And this, again, I think tops that. And it's a fantastic role.
I agree. So what's up next for you? What's on your list? My number six is Maxine by Ty West. This is one we saw in theaters. Can I just write real quick? My number six is also Maxine, so go right ahead. Sweet. That works out perfect. it's the weakest of the X trilogy, I think, but still a really, really fun time. I think that the Giallo influence was exaggerated a little bit in the press tour, but it was still cool to see at least one black glove murder in 2024. That was pretty surreal.
um but uh but as with but we we both agreed kevin bacon's death is fantastic oh absolutely and what a amazing what a bonkers performance from him he is really for the stars on this one and i love to see that because as much as like as much as he's you know he's always doing stuff right even in the horror genre he just did that film whatever that was for hulu that he did where he was like a counselor yep but this is him or whatever yeah yeah oh sure yeah yeah
gay pray the gay way kind of slasher film yes yeah but this is his this is in a way it seems like the role he was born to play because he is going he is going crazy not sort of akin to to leo dicaprio and once upon a time in hollywood right it's that kind of performance um where it's like he's heard an accent once maybe and he's like going for that but uh but so much fun as with the rest of the x films
The period stylings were awesome. Maxine is kind of to 80s LA, what Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is to 60s LA. Mia Goth entertaining as always. Like we said, Kevin Bacon, performance awesome. Super memorable sequences, like the head and the suitcase tumbling down the stairs. I'm excited to see what Ty West and Mia Goth do next. And like I said, even though this is the weakest of the X-Trilogy, in my opinion, it's still a ton of fun. And it was a great theater experience.
Yeah. And for me, as somebody who moved to Hollywood, like, well, the first time I visited Hollywood was in 86. This was set in 85. Right. So it was like, oh, yeah, they nailed this. I mean, absolutely nailed. Hollywood in the mid 80s. And so that was a lot of fun. For me, I do have some complaints. I agree. I think Giancarlo Esposito was underused, you know, because I think he's great and everything. But but other than that, yeah.
A lot of fun. I thought it was a blast. And even if it took us 20 minutes of trailers to finally get to the movie when we were watching the theater together, I literally kept checking my phone. I was like, how much longer is this going on? Anyway. They get longer. They get longer every year for sure, it seems like. And to the movie's credit also, as far as Giancarlo Esposito goes, it was just refreshing to see him not play the villain, right? To see him be a sympathetic character was huge.
I think. And like we were talking about then, he's really having a renaissance recently. He's in like huge blockbusters. He's in everything and good for him because he's a talented actor and he's been around since the eighties.
Been around since the early 80s. So, yeah, good for him. I'm glad he's cashing paychecks. I watched Do the Right Thing the other day, and I was like, it's insane how long he's been at it without, and he's just now, you know, he was big with Breaking Bad, but it feels like it's hard. as films go, which is kind of seems like his passion.
that he's just now breaking big now. So that's, that's, that's good. Well, he was, he, he was friends with the late Tony Todd and Tony Todd used to say, right. Movies buy the houses, TV decorates the houses. And theater keeps you an actor. That's how Tony Todd felt about things. All right, buddy, what's your number five? My number five is The First Omen.
uh listen i've i've gone way up on this one since our our episode covering it to the point where and this may be blasphemy which might be appropriate for this film i think this is almost on the level of the original omen film oh how dare you cheer me out i i love the omen uh great gregory peck performance awesome cinematography i i
There are points in the original Omen where it feels like the film is, during the second act, it feels like the movie is trying to fill us in on what we've already inferred, right? It's like... Which I get. Gregory Peck isn't going to accuse his child of being the Antichrist until he's like super, super sure. But we know who Damien is the entire time because of the framing of the film, right? It's the Mrs. Doubtfire conundrum.
we can all clearly see Mrs. Doubtfire's Robin Williams, but Sally Field is not going to accuse her poor British nanny of being her ex-husband in disguise. It's the Clark Kent syndrome, right? Exactly, yeah. It just... to me it leads to the original omen not being that rewatchable in my opinion because it's like most of the movie is just gregory peck trying to discover what we already know from the get-go right um and this the first omen in comparison
all gas no brakes it's like nell tiger free is excellent the reveal of the antagonist is cool even if we debated the the validity of that reveal for for two hours in our episode reviewing it uh but you know to me the the first biggest flaw is its title.
uh because it's like you have to call it the first omen and then specify no not the first omen the first omen that's to be honest that's par for the course with these legacy sequels but really that's its only fatal flaw for me i really love the movie of great imagery.
got a great pace to it and again it doesn't it doesn't uh meander maybe as much as the omen which is what a lot of people like about the omen they love that filmic kind of epic slow moving procedural vibe to the first one But for me, I think this has probably got to be more rewatchable. I'm going to completely disagree with everything you said. Everything you said. Because it doesn't, not only does it not have Gregory Peck, it doesn't have David Warner, who was fantastic in the movie.
And it's not so much that we don't know. It's that their journey is so interesting to me. Whereas the first omen, I told you, I didn't hate it. But I just thought it was. boring i just okay i just think it's boring i disagree with you on the pace i think it's boring um and i just wasn't that interested and I'm sorry but like it was absolutely whether it was pure luck or whatever Gregory Peck and David Warner
Chef's kiss. Those two together. That's fantastic. Two of the greatest actors ever, you know, trying to figure out if, you know, if Satan is working among them. Whereas the first omen, I just. I don't know. And I made the mistake if I did see the trailer and it was like all the best stuff was in the trailer. Sure. Okay. Sure.
so yeah i didn't see the trailer i just i you know there's that great scene with the car crash you know the kind of signs moment love that part i love the whole reveal with her her nun friend all that stuff i think is great i love the church You know, Bill Nighy and Charles Dance, all that stuff I think is great. And again, this thing moves. And Bill Nighy is always great. No, I think it is boring. But also, also what you're overlooking.
from the first movie sure the kid who played damien in the first movie is absolutely yeah that kid is creepy and imagine this is something i was thinking about the other day when you shoot on film every minute of film that you burn is is money down the drain right so it's like you're doing two maybe three takes unless you're stanley kubrick when you work with a child actor
That is such a gamble, right? Because they can just, and the whole movie is that kid, right? It's like, that is like, that's what the whole movie hinges on. So if he didn't deliver. this would just be in development hell forever. And that kid in the omen delivers like crazy. So when he throws the fit, when they're trying to getting baptized. Oh yeah.
fantastic fantastic and again great film i for me and i'm not saying it's a better film the first omen uh i just think i would rather revisit this one because it's it's less about uh the procedural which which we know what happens it's it's more about the experiential um the the kind of
because she kind of knows you know what i mean it's like she doesn't know the specifics but she kind of knows something bad is going on it's more about like the like the things that happen to her rather than the information that she's learning that's that's my thing with the first omen
I love it a lot. Again, I'm not going to say it's the best Omen movie, but yeah, it's number five on my list, and I really enjoyed it. All right, fair enough. Well, number five is a movie we've already talked about. It's Strange Darling. I really enjoyed it was I knew nothing about it other than like we had friends like Brian Scott saying he liked it. And I, well, okay, I respect their opinion. And so I went in.
Watched it blind on Paramount Plus this week and was completely blown away. I have a few problems with it, but and you pointed some of the things out that, you know, but. Not just that I love that Ed Beckley Jr. and Barbara Hersher are in it. I did like the memento type editing. I don't think you can do that that often, but hey, every 25 years you can pull it off. Sure.
you know and i and i was i was sucked in and i did not the opening scene i did not see that coming yeah you know if people haven't seen it it's it's there's a bit of a twist from the beginning right oh yeah yeah absolutely this whole thing so the way this the film is structured every act there's a new twist right because the way that it's sequenced
new things are constantly revealed with the sequencing of the chronology of the film, which is really, really clever. It's a really, really tight script. For me, the reason it was a little bit lower is because I just don't know how much it matters you know what i mean it's like it's really cool in practice when you're watching it but it's like what uh what else is there to say about it but i will acknowledge that it's it's a fantastic it's a it's a fantastic magic trick really is what it is
Yeah, I would agree with that. I don't know if I'll watch it again unless this is the kind of movie I think you only watch again when you're introducing it to somebody who hasn't seen it. Sure. And you think they'll enjoy it. Does that make sense? And it's just that it's just. you're rewatching it just to watch them watch it. Um, sure. Yeah. Uh, so I get that. That's me with, that's me with skin and my rank, by the way. Oh gosh. I don't know why you want to put people to sleep, but anyway, um,
All right. What's your number four, buddy? My number four is another one we watched together. It's Heretic. Heretic. Excellent performances from the three leads. It's, it's kind of, it's, it's, it's stage play like, right? It's like a play. Love the fake out at the end of the second act where we find out who the real protagonist is. Love this type of like small scale, tightly wound bottle story, really.
and even though it doesn't fully come together for me in the end uh that might be intentional it's like life doesn't always have an aha moment right where you know everything and because there's there's there's intentionally some ambiguity about what's true what's not at the end of this film um and i i still really like this one I can absolutely see myself revisiting it in the future. And this is like, what a evolution for Scott Beck and Brian Woods, right? Because they made...
They wrote Quiet Place, which did them well. They made Haunt. Unfortunately, they then worked on 65 with Adam Driver, which was like a huge flop. But they've gone back to basics here. They've gone back to a small scale. uh well-written tightly wound horror thing and i think that's done them really well because this is like on a lot of people's lists this is this is i think a lot of people are are you know taking note of these names and saying okay i'm gonna watch whatever these guys do next
Yeah, I completely agree. And by the way, my number four, Heretic. Nice. Yeah, my number four is Heretic. And I went back and forth with my top five. But yeah, I... It was so blown away, especially by Hugh Grant's performance and where it goes. Yeah, I, I'm a big fan. And I. i've gotten text messages about this movie from people in my church have you seen this movie heretic i'm like yes yes i've seen heretic what do you want to talk about so yeah number four for me as well so yeah i agree so
it's an interesting one because it's not because the way it's framed right when you watch the trailer or whatever it kind of gives this vibe of like it's like going to be an r slash like of like a reddit atheist type movie and it's not really that because ultimately the heart of the movie is faith right i mean it's like faith in having faith is important basically it's kind of the message of the movie um and and i find that really interesting for a modern film to kind of take that stance
So it's a really interesting screenplay. I think it's one that definitely warrants some analysis even.
But yeah, really, really awesome. Just to plunk the script down in front of three excellent actors and just see them sink their teeth into it. Yeah, I agree. Really, at the end of the day, I tell people... um that it's to use the term that we use in philosophy of religion it's what's it's examining your presuppositions what are your presuppositions your presuppositions guide it's whatever you believe, I guarantee you that 90% of people who say, I believe X, Y, and Z.
have never stopped to ask the question, well, what undergirds that? Well, what undergirds that? Well, what undergirds that? Whether it's faith or unbelief. Unbelievers are just as guilty.
of having presuppositions that are unexamined as believers. And I really think that's a stream in this movie that I think is really interesting. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, this is absolutely one where... uh the writers sat down and just kind of worked through every single aspect and questioned every single aspect which i i find really refreshing um because that's that i think the most satisfying
The times when you watch a film and you go, that was really interesting, that was thought-provoking, is when it challenges what... like you said, challenges or presuppositions and that's every single scene of this film. Every single scene is what do you believe? Why do you believe it? Let's have Hugh Grant break this down, right? And then be challenged by the two leads. Right, because I was happy. Hugh Grant is the guy who's trying to push against Faith, and he's being pushed against as well.
You know, you have a faith and not having faith is essentially at one point what's kind of stirred there is like, OK, we're both people of faith. You can't prove all of this.
Yeah, and you'll be happy to know that so far in the Horror Oscars, in the best screenplay and best lead performances, heretic uh and hugh grant and heretic are leading the charge so far so that's definitely resounding with people yeah it's i i yeah i know that uh jay was big on it they had a big discussion jay the dead's horror movies and everything so All right. Well, what is your number three? My number three is long legs. Long legs was out to an early lead.
uh there were a couple that swooped in and took the one and two spot but but number three long legs i i love the black coats daughter love this even more just unreal tension throughout excellent tone dread just a feeling of dread yeah yeah And that's exactly, that's, that's the perfect one word. It's like, like word association for long legs is Dren. Absolutely. People complain about the supernatural bent to the third act.
I think that's what makes Longlegs unique. Imagine if this had just been a crime thriller. If it had just been, you know, a la Silence of the Lambs. then it would have just been silence of the lambs right my my prediction is that the dolls plot line will be looked back on more fondly in in five years i think i hope you're right because i agree with you yeah
Yeah, I loved Longlegs. I love Oz Perkins. I think he's doing some of the most interesting work as of late. Still have not seen The Monkey, which is a huge blind spot for me. I cannot believe I hadn't seen The Monkey yet, but yeah. I think he can be added to the oeuvre of new directors who are making big waves in the horror scene. Oh, absolutely. And great performances. Micah Monroe, Nicolas Cage, great performances.
And yeah, long legs, my number three. Well, we will come back to talk about that. Okay. But I will say this going in with my top three. Yeah. They're almost interchangeable. I could almost do a three spot tie. I could almost say these three are tied. So my number three. which i feel will be much higher than yours but i did love it it's nasferatu um my number three is nasferatu i
I have heard a lot of complaints about Nosferatu from horror fans that think that it brought nothing new to the story, which I don't think that's completely true, but I see where they're coming from. I mean, it's... If you watch the silent movie, if you watch the 1979 and then you watch this, it's like, yeah, pretty much the same story. Right. I mean, they're and you can definitely see.
why the Stoker family sued for copyright infringement from Dracula. Yeah. And so I get all that. I do think it's a little long, but I think that, first of all, It is one of the most beautiful movies, I mean, just shot movies I've seen in years. It's absolutely, just as a film buff, as a film fan.
I was blown away by how this movie looks. The production design, the costume design, the cinematography is absolutely... incredible and as big of a fan as i am of bill skarsgård i think willem defoe doesn't get enough uh love in this film um yeah and and lily rose depp is great too but um The whole cast is good, but I can understand people's... complaint with it but i think at the end of the day you cannot deny that it's just it it's a master class in filmmaking yeah
Absolutely agree. We will absolutely be talking about this again later. But to your point... you know about people saying that it doesn't add anything to nasratu i disagree there are definite narrative additions that eggers has made that being you know uh
Lily Rose Depp as Ellen's connection to Nosferatu, this kind of like history they have, this psychic kind of sexual history they have, that's delved into Willem Dafoe as Professor Von Franz. I think he's... you know a new uh kind of a new force in the film he's more proactive than that character type has ever been right um so i i think that they're absolutely additions um but i'll get into that more later i'm happy to see it in your top three i i love this film and and like you said
Gorgeous movie. Gorgeous movie. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That I don't think is, can be denied. So, all right. What's next for you? My number two is The Substance, which we've talked about, but man, just an absolutely... absolutely insane ride there there was a point at the start of the third act where i stood up in the an empty theater by the way the theater was empty which is a shame but i stood up in the theater
And I actually said to myself, this cannot be happening when we hit that third act and we get that kind of beat drop moment. Because the substance gives you exactly what you want to see. It's actually unreal how... tune Fargo is with the audience, Fargeau. It's just insane the way that this blew up. This doesn't seem like the kind of movie that would blow up the way that it did.
considering the subject matter. I think the thing that separates this from something like Teton... is the fun factor right because it's gross it's it's it's it's uh it's bloody it's body horror it's the same way you know titan or raw is but i think that this this understands having fun in a way that those films don't quite rise to, I would say. Teton is not exactly known as a good time. But yeah, just an absolute thrill ride.
As you said, amazing performance from Demi Moore, amazing performance from Margaret Qualley, amazing performance from Dennis Quaid. And just an awesome, just balls to the wall. total i mean it's edited like a music video it's insane uh so the substance is my number two uh very very close to being my movie of the year until i watch my number one but but yeah the substance is is fantastic and one i will absolutely be revisiting
And I'm excited to see what her next film is like. I mean, it might be a while, right? Because Revenge was, what, 2017? So we might be waiting a while. But I'm excited to see when it finally does come out. Yep. I just... I don't know. And I did like Revenge. Yeah. The comparisons, you're right. To Raw, which I... Oh, Raw just... I couldn't. I just can't. But anyway, my number two is the movie that most took me by surprise this year. And that's Oddity.
I was not expecting this at all. Like a lot of these news, I went in completely blind. I'd heard some good things. I pulled it up. I think I watched it on Amazon Prime or something like that, or maybe Shudder. And Damian McCarthy film, I could not. believe how drawn in i was by this film i i it it just hooked me um and it's a tight like 90 some minutes It is not long. Carolyn Bracken plays two roles in this.
you know it it's just incredible so yeah i oddity for me nearly took the top spot cannot recommend it enough yeah yeah oddity this is in my honorable mentions this is we talked about this in an episode this is a little movie that could right it's a super indie movie super low budget irish film Oddity, it's a character-driven film. It definitely harkens back to stuff like Wait Until Dark and Dial M for Murder, which is so refreshing to see in 2024.
But it's got that supernatural bent to it, right? Which is interesting. I like this film a lot. I knew where this was going to be on your list pretty much because this is one that's consistently been one of your favorites.
favorites this year. But for me, the reason that it's not quite in the top 10, I think Oddity is... is one that ends up being less than the sum of its parts if that makes sense there there are a lot of great scenes and character interactions uh i love the stuff as you said with carol bracken and with with ted all that stuff is awesome
For me, the conclusion we're left with just feels a little hollow. But I know that's absolutely just me because this is consistently a five-star movie from everybody. it's again an indie triumph um and uh and yeah i will absolutely recommend this movie even though it didn't quite uh crack my top 10. i love this movie so much so yeah all right let's hear it what you got next
Well, I think you know what my number one is. Oh, I could probably guess. Hey, before, by the way, we've talked about them all already, except for one. Before we get into my number one, a couple honorable mentions. Okay. Alien Romulus, like I said. Alien Romulus.
fantastic uh didn't quite crack my top 10 but that that's up there oddity we just talked about that's my honorable mentions one we haven't talked about yet in a violent nature i know this one wasn't that high for you right but in a violent nature some great kills i love the high concept again it's in that genre it's like soderbergh's presence right which by the way is one of my favorite films of 2025 so far um but
Where In a Violent Nature falters for me is when it deviates from the concept. When we cut away to that campfire scene to watch these amateur actors act, we're like torn away from what makes In a Violent Nature.
special and it makes that cut in the third act when we like cut away from the killer and go to the final girl it makes that less effective so for me that's like that that little addition just totally derails this from being in my top 10 but i will say it's undeniable cool factor the fact that it's it's a movie from from the following jason basically it's a friday the 13th movie following jason that's cool
and not only jason baghead jason uh which is even cooler which i would normally like but it just it felt to me just like watching somebody play the friday 13th video sure sure and that's fair and i i'm wondering what you would think of presence of soderbergh's presence because i've kind of a similar vibe i love presence and i'm sure we'll talk about it at some point but um it's
To me, it's a very slow film, but it's all worth it for that final shot. And that's sort of how this film is. It's building towards something. I just think that that conclusion would have been stronger if we had not cut away from the killer earlier. But anyways. In a Violent Nature is my last honorable mention. My number one of the year, my favorite film of 2024, not just horror film, but my favorite film of the year in 2024 was Nosferatu. Yeah. Man, oh man. Just a fantastic adaptation.
It's insane to me that there are three versions of Nosferatu and that all three are essential viewing. I can't think of another time that's ever happened where a film has been remade three times and it's all three are essential.
you know uh jarren blask may be the greatest cinematographer working right now he's got such a strong vision he's worked with eggers on all of his films even dating back to his short film so they they work so well in tandem uh that that you know and his vision is supported by awesome production design as he said awesome uh costume design sound design everything
To me, not since Barry Lyndon has a period piece looked this gorgeous. And again, all natural light, it's that whole thing. Nosferatu, also Egger's most accessible film to date. So hopefully this will get more people watching the rest of his filmography. And yeah, I can't wait to see what zany projects he does. I know he's doing a werewolf movie, so I'm super excited about that. And yeah, Nosferatu is my movie of the year.
Yeah, I saw that one coming. And I can't blame you. Like I said, it is such a gorgeous movie. My honorable mention, the one I'll bring up, is Abigail. which I just thought was a blast. I just thought it was a lot of fun. You know, I wish I had not known anything about it going in. at all i think that is the best way to to do this so if this is somebody's listening to this like 10 years from now um like what is abigail don't look it up if you're a horror fan just turn it on
know nothing about it going in. But my number one is long legs. Nice. And it was just because Nosferatu... Maybe the better made film. Oddity is probably the better written film, but long legs, whatever mojo Oz Perkins used for this. I mean, it's just. The movie shook me to my core. And it really was something special.
And I cannot recommend it enough. And I've even told people who aren't horror fans, I was like, I think you'll like this. It gets the comparison to Silence of the Lambs, even though you're right, it's got a supernatural element to it that Silence of the Lambs didn't have. But I think just because it's got a bit of a police procedural, people compare it to that. Yeah. But I've told people, it's like, no, trust me, you will like that because it's just a well-made.
movie and Nicolas Cage is incredibly creepy in it. Oh yeah. Yeah, one of the, again, we talked about that Kyle Garner cold open and smile too, but the cold opener for long legs is also super haunting. Just that, you know, him popping into frame right before the title card. Oh, it just gets me every time.
oh man yeah so i oh yeah long legs long legs long legs yeah everybody needs to see it um but again like i said any of the films in my top three could have been number one you know what i mean they all had long legs oddity nosferatu i thought they were all great and they all were really close yeah Absolutely. Yeah. Couldn't agree more. And again, we talked about this earlier. Last year for me, I don't know if you felt the same way. Last year for me felt more like, and I'm talking about 2023.
felt like there were a lot of good movies lots of good movies but only a few great ones this year i i sort of feel something i think there were more great ones and i think the great ones were i think the peaks were higher I don't think we quite got something to the level of long legs or of Nosferatu or for me, the substance last year. I think that 2024 was super special with those creative vision that took a little bit longer.
They were still in the oven in 2023. Well, you had talked to me in 2023, which we both agreed has one of the best openings. ever absolutely yeah yeah so yeah there were but no i hear what you're saying yeah i just think that the it was it was peaks and valleys this year there were definitely some stinkers but i think the peaks were higher we don't need to talk about night swim again
sure yeah yeah haunted swimming go back if you if you really want to listen to our discussion of iphone we do have a patreon episode but uh please don't take me back don't take me back you know people always say take me back to a simpler time you know this is yeah Don't take me back to January. I'm fine. I'm fine not being there. Haunted swimming pool.
Great concept. All it is is a haunted swimming pool. And, you know, the only thing I was really disappointed was the Ghostbusters movie this year. The Frozen Empire. I was really disappointed. I barely laughed. Yeah. Well, yeah, they've turned into now more of the Stranger Things vibe than the... Which I think is a huge mistake. So, but...
Are you looking forward to anything in 2025? You've mentioned Soderbergh's presence. I haven't seen it. Are you looking forward? Because I will tell you, I am just upon some buzz other than, of course. We both know, unless you curse it again, that Jordan Peele's new movie will be out this year. His Christmas horror movie, for goodness sakes. Yes. But Ryan Coogler's Sin. Yeah. With Michael B. Jordan. I'm hearing some buzz. Yeah, absolutely. And, and yeah, so send big anticipation.
Like you said, Jordan Peele's new film, Big Anticipation. I'm sorry I did jinx that. But already saw from this year Companion, saw Presence.
uh the gorge i don't know if i've heard anything about that but it's got a great cast um i've heard the monkey is one i still need to see oh really okay the monkey i still need to see um so i don't know we'll see there there's a lot of stuff coming out i don't have anything in front of me but i i'm excited to see and even beyond horror i still need to see mickey 17 i know that's bombing hard i'm sorry bong i'll go and support that soon um but uh but yeah
we're off to a strong start i think because like i said presence is fantastic i would highly recommend it if you like in a violent nature if you like those even long legs those slower paced uh type of things but yeah companion was it was a fun ride um it's got kind of that
what was that betty gilpin film where it was like the hunger game sort of vibe with betty gilpin what was that oh the hunt or whatever yeah the hunt companions got kind of a the hunt vibe um it's that kind of tone i would say so i enjoyed that it was fun uh presence i like i said was was great and um yeah all signs point to 2025 being a good year um so fingers crossed we'll see but but i know that this was a good year
And it's in the books. And yeah, I'm thankful for that. Yeah, I think there is. And I haven't seen The Wolfman yet. Yeah, I've heard mixed things on that one, for sure. Yeah, I have two, but I still want to see it. There are a lot of werewolf stuff. coming out here next year or two um yeah yeah again eggers has that werewolf movie in production right now or pre-production something i'm i'm good for it i like the werewolf so let's let's do it
Uh, let me make a brief announcement about horror movie podcast. Um, yeah. So what had happened was that I, I bought horror movie podcast, Megan and I did, um, We picked three co-hosts. I think they were the right co-hosts. I still think, and I think that the episodes they did, I think they were great. But Trey Whetstone's got a new job and a new baby, and he's swamped. Nathan has got young kids. He's swamped.
Life just got in the way, guys. It's just that happens. You know, you haven't heard a lot from Nathan Bartleball, period, over the last year because he's just been busy. And, you know, podcasts, we do this as a hobby. And so. So we are rebuilding Horror Movie Podcast. I wanted to wait until after I finished my PhD qualifying exams, which I've done, so that I could focus back on it.
I am in talks with some people about being co-hosts. But the announcement I'll make now is it's coming back and it's coming back. So in the next couple of months. HNP will be back up. One of the things that we will be doing in order to keep a regular schedule is that there'll be people from other podcasts hopping on and even doing side podcasts. and submitting them in as HNP podcasts. So that'll be happening. I already got a number of people.
who have signed up for that. That was before my Facebook was hacked, and Facebook is still trying to, letting me know that only within 180 days they will have this figured out. Nice. Thank you, Facebook. Yeah, thanks, Meta. And it's definitely a bot that hacked me because it tried to sign in 10,000 times in five days. I don't think a 16-year-old is sitting there just constantly trying to submit a new password. You don't know. It's a distinct possibility. I doubt it.
As my friend, Jay Warner Wallace, a cold case homicide detective says, everything may be possible. Not everything's probable. So it's probably a bot, but I am lining. that up now. I have a definite vision for what I want with H&P that will include any of the former co-hosts along with you and I jumping on whenever we want to jump in. But I am looking for three permanent co-hosts. I have one locked in and two others that I'm looking at.
All I can say right now is one out of three co-hosts are there. Jay of the Dead will be more involved. Sweet. He won't be on every episode or even every other episode because he's got his own podcast. He's sticking with Jay of the Dead's new horror movies and Horror Movie Weekly. And so he's doing that. But he has agreed that every episode will begin with the familiar high. And so Jay will do the intro to all the episodes and jump on whatever he wants.
Stay tuned. H&P is coming back. Yeah, love to hear it. Yeah, it's... Doing a podcast is definitely a hobby because there's no money involved, for sure. Right. So, yeah, appreciate people understanding. I know people want to hear horror movie podcast return. um and uh and so do we because first and foremost we are fans of horror movie exactly yeah so yeah so i'm excited to hear you know that there's there's uh movement happening and uh and yeah i'm looking forward to just seeing the future
And we've got more shows coming from Father and Son. Even though you're wrapping up school, we are going to try to do our Horror Oscar episode. And we will be having a little debate sometime here in the next few months. Yeah. The gauntlet has been thrown down. Dave, Dr. Shock Becker, who, yes, I am intimidated by. He is the encyclopedia of knowledge. That's right. he does not like my opinion of prince of darkness john carpenter's 1987 film
He wants to take me to the woodshed on that, and it will be a privilege to be battered around by Dave Dr. Schockbecker, which you and I have met one of the nicest guys ever. Oh, absolutely. But get into the ring with him. and look out and it'll be a better fight for sure than, than Mike Tyson versus Logan Paul for Jake Paul. So if you, if you could watch it. Yeah. So.
Anyway, that's all things H&P. More things coming with father and son. What else have you got, buddy? And if nothing else, where else can they find you?
Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at Kane underscore Hero 12. You can find all my links from there. You can find History of Ween. You can find, I'm sure, links to all my projects, films I'm working on, all that jazz. And yeah, just... super excited to get back to doing father and son because this is this is the dream that's it father and so much horror is is the dream yeah it's fun and yeah i look forward to it
you getting out of school and us doing more episodes when you get on a quote unquote regular schedule, whatever that may be, whatever that means. And in the media world, that doesn't really mean anything, but yeah, no. And so, yeah. And so we'll, we'll have.
fun too. But yeah, we'll be looking forward to all that. You can just find me here because I'm no longer on Facebook and I don't know when I will be. So you can just find just, just father and son, watch horror movies and a horror movie podcast is. where you look for me. And so, all right, buddy. Well, as your favorite puppies go crazy in the background, once again, signing off.
They're signing off. Tell the good people what you want to say, pal. Goodbye. And remember, 2025 is going to be even better, unless it's way, way worse. And in that case, I'm sorry for jinxing it. It's not my fault. Don't at me. But yeah, fingers crossed. Absolutely. All right. Well, folks, thanks for listening. As always, be sure to check out the Patreon feed. All the cash goes to Jackson. None of it goes to me. And we really appreciate your.
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