Rick Wilson, Rep Ruben Gallego, Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr. & Kim Teehee

he's seeing in the mid terms. Then we'll be joined by Chief Hoskin Jr. Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, and Kim Teh, the Cherokee Nations nominee to be their delegate to Congress, who will talk to us about a host of issues. But first we have the Lincoln Projects. Rick Wilson, the host of the new podcast The Enemies List. Welcome to Fast Politics. Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast, How

are you today. I'm good. I feel like we're back on the old days of the Internet, when Twitter in two thousand fifteen one Twitter was a little bit read it, when there was a little bit more ship than ship show. I mean, I said, I like went to sleep on Twitter and woke up on four Chan like level of like crazy vitriol. These are people that before I became an Internet person, I thought they were a Russian bots, and I was much happier now that I know their

actual people in America. It's really scary. Well, I mean, look, I'll probably get in trouble for this. I know that shocking that I'm not taxing to get me in trouble. The ones who are the anonymous dip shits, as you know, like t J Thundercock, Maga, Ultra Nuclear Sex God nine which may or may not be my screen name here

on the podcast Apple recording this on today. When you've got guys like that, you know who either have a Peppie defrog Avatar or they've got their dollar store knockoff costa sunglass is in their uh interest rate Ford f two fifty. As a former Ford, I paid cash for mine. But that's another story. You know, these guys who who for years complained like if I'd say anything against against the blue check liptards, I'll get canceled by the beard.

Twitter will cancel me. They're so woke. Well, Daddy Elon's here now, everybody, So why don't you come out and fight under your own names? Why don't you come out and lose the anonymous pictures of Roman generals or of you know, John Wayne or Arnold Schwarzenegger or whatever homorotic thing is stoking your repression and just come out and

and own what you say. Okay. So a eighty two year old man was attacked by a forty two year old man who had been for the last few years and posting on a Q and on blog that man broke into Nancy Pelosi's residence to their at night. He attacked eighty two year old Paul Pelosi. He screamed, where's Nancy. Yeah. He hit Pelosi with a hammer, hit him in the head.

It's been reported by CNN today that he had plastic zip ties with him, which again a favorite of those January six tourists zip ties, because that's what you do when you're on a tourist vacation, as you bring zip ties with you. Somehow, Pelosi got into the bathroom, called nine one, the police came. Paul Pelosi now in the hospital having all kinds of surgery on his hands, on

his head, he has a fractured skull. Republicans are begging for forgiveness and saying that political violence is not okay. Oh wait no, they're not. Rick Wilson thoughts, well, look, let's let's be blunt and I posted something well a little before we recorded this on the Twitter machine, calling it what it was. It was an assassination attempt. The guy was looking for Nancy Pelosi. He brought a hammer,

He was screaming, where is Nancy? Where is Nancy? And the argument that this guy is crazy, guy has mental problems, that the guy has some sort of past history of

posting liberal things is all irrelevant. He was motivated by this ecosystem of conspiracy and of lies, and he was he was caught up in that whirlpool of bullshit that Steve Bannon and Rupert Murdoch and Lachlan Murdoch and Alex Jones and a hundred other imitators of each of those every day puts out there into the world where very soft minded, very weak minded people on the MAGA side of the equation snap up the conspiracy theory and start living it. And the fact that this guy may have

had mental problems is irrelevant to the case. It's irrelevant. He didn't have mental problems in pick Nancy Pelosi out of a lineup randomly, out of the phone book. He had mental problems, and the agit prop propaganda ecosystem out there fed him an endless stream of insanity, and it told him that Nancy Pelosi had to be destroyed, that

she's a socialist, communist, sleeper, agent, pedophile. Whatever soup brewed up in this guy's brain, fed by that media ecosystem, fed by the Q and Honors, fed by the big lie people, fed by the billionaires who are funding these operations, these news operations, and who know better. That's what led here. I want to make a point about assassinations, and people are the right wing people. They're losing their ship with me on Twitter right now to a scope I haven't

seen since the before times of like. And it's because I said that this is an assassination attempt, and until I'm told otherwise by any set of evidence otherwise, I don't care what their excuses are. I don't care if they say, well, what about a TAFA storing the capital and approach? What about this? What about I don't care. Their side of this equation is dedicated now to violence. They proved it on one six, They excuse it to

this day. Most of their candidates on the trail across this country, from dog Catcher to U S. Senate, still believe in that lie, or they're willing to claim they believe in that lie to get elected, and it is going to feed this monster. And throughout history, Molly an awful lot of people who committed political assassinations. They were not the devious masterminds. They were not the movie the movie version of the cool, calculating professional killer on a

rooftop somewhere. They were crazy people. They were insane people who got caught up in a web of lies and deceptions and bullshit and propaganda and were manipulated by some people who are much smarter than they are and manipulated into doing things and being convinced that what they're going to do is the thing that saves the world and that validates their lives and it turns them into something heroic.

It is no different than a troubled, mentally ill fifteen year old or sixteen or seventeen year old who is picked up by ISIS or al Qaeda or any other terrorist group and told, Okay, I mean you're gonna run this bomb truck into the into the roadblock and kill all these American soldiers because you're going to heaven and that will save the people of Islam. It is no different it is a psychologically manipulative process that breeds and

activates killers, and these people are responsible for it. Right. So but let's talk about the response to the response, because this is really interesting. So I had sort of thought people are going to say, like, this is enough. Even Fox people are going to say, this is enough. It's scary. He's eighty two, he's getting brain surgery. Look, I'm no fan of Paul Pelosi. I mean the guy, as I've said again and again again, members of Congress

should not have spouses who trade stocks. Okay, like period paragraph, and one of the greatest examples of that is Paul Pelosi. But I thought for sure this would be a bridge too far. But in fact, the way that the right has messaged this was you know this never happened or be was this is democrats are going to do something

terrible now in order to get you back. Well, remember the first the first iteration of it was, this just proves our point that San Francisco is a festering hell hole of crime, and this this is gonna happen to anybody. Remember a lot of their first statements were this could happen to anybody that they want to defund the police, and this is what happens if you defund the police. Well, it turned out it wasn't that, and their next iteration

was even more lurid and insane. And it's being pushed by you know, quality individuals like Denish to Susa, you know who who I wouldn't believe Dextra Sus if he said the sun rose in the east and the sky tends to be a bluish color, you know, and John Cardillo and Bongino and you know, all the usual assortment of of maga's chodes and scumbags and weirdos. So they transformed it based on nothing into it was a lurid gay sex orgy, and you know, Paul Pelosi and this

guy or lovers and the whole. First off, if you're eighty two years old and you still want to go hit it, God bless you will straight, I don't, God bless go get it. Do get it, tiger, go get it. But if you're eighty two years old and you are paying for sex, okay, so again eighty two paying for sex already were that's like four people? Okay, I think that's fair to say. Are you going to be doing that with a guy who has a long history of writing on Q and on and psychotic behavior. It doesn't

meet the OCAM's jigglo test. Okay, it just doesn't work. Yes, acam's jigglo the entire right, we meet the ecosystem now. Of course, then follows along because Elon quotes the Observer, which apparently has previously informed us that Hillary Clinton was dead and replaced by a clone. Um And it is not what we call a actual mainstream or even right wing media publication. It's just one of these auto bot

style AI generated content farms. Makes the Gateway Pundent look like the New York Times, right, it's one of these weirdo a I generated content farms. And so, of course, now I'm told at air time he's pulled that tweet down. I don't know if that's the case or not. I haven't changed it. Well, you know, quietly, twenty two million followers probably didn't see it, right, probably missed it because

obviously it's the responsible thing to do. All I have to say is I still believe that regardless of Elon buying Twitter, he has a lot of investors. He wants to keep the valuation of this investment high. He wants to make those investors happy, because some of them are people who cut your head off if you suck them. Saudi Arabia had hint Um and you know, I'm just

gonna make a guess. This is a crazy guess. Now I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that American corporate advertisers, if there's a good possibility that Ellen is gonna someday retweet ju Killer six sixty six, Oven Master, Maga, Nuclear Lord, seem that they might not want to have their ad dollars on that platform. The idea that you're going to have this platform with zero content moderation has given the Maga's a heart on for weeks on end, and they've been absolutely fanatic about it.

A lot of these ad companies are gonna think to themselves, huh so, it's gonna be a free for all ship show where anti Semitism where the in word, and and the entire spectrum of unbelievably ship tier behavior that is definitional to the trolling Maga nihilist movement is going to be what the platform is known for. That sounds like

a great recipe for family friendly companies. Well, I think, hey, come on down to Universal Studios the Park and we're gonna make sure we show you the advertisement right over the place where someone says Kanye was right about the Jews, right, I mean, I think that I think the story here is that you can't four chan does not have great advertisers.

Well listen, if you really want the good advertisers, you've got to go to eight kun, which replaced four chan, because four chan is eight kun for cux, right exactly.

It's that. I think the point is that, you know, the reality is and I think it's the sort of lesson from Facebook here, right, People stop being on Facebook except the very low information you know, your grand uncle, I mean the sort of people who are much older people really went off of Facebook because it had so much kind of four Chan content, and I think that's

possibly what we're going to see a Twitter. So I um was having a discussion with a let's call it a tech activist person from the valley on Friday and the feeling of that Facebook has placed a gigantic pile of money in the middle of a warehouse, and that Mark Zuckerberg has piled up that money and poured gas on it like the joker and set it on fire to do the meta cartoon universe thing he's doing at the same time as their user base is imploding and

their stock prices cratering. This person, who is a serious tech investor, said said, I'm enjoying every second of this. I was out of Facebook a couple of years ago, and I'm enjoying every second of this. Yes, Twitter is now a private company in the hands of Elon Musk, but there's an awful lot of paper out there that isn't his money. And if you don't think you're gonna have other other stakeholders in this operation saying wait, you think we're gonna we're gonna turn this into the the

Elon Musk free speech zone. So look, they're not gonna turn Twitter into into what what the magas think it's gonna be. Now we are hearing the never any drum beat that Trump will be back on Monday. We'll see, We'll see what happens on midnight. He will will kill Trump truth Social if he does that. That's like saying, wow, these zombies are chasing after us. We better not shoot them because it might hurt them. True Social is already

a dead social media platform. I mean that that is that that that that truth of Trump's from Friday, But truth is truth. Socialists out of doing Facebook, TikTok, Twitter and the rest like okay, Grandpa, time for your medicine and your nap. Good God, I'm curious to know how you think this plays out. Now, this has become like everything else in this country becomes a cultural war battle. Everything in the country is always now reduced to a

cultural war fight everything. And so you know, the right at the moment is feeling this triumphalism, this two tier triumphalism. We've got Twitter back, and we're gonna win everything in the election. And and these two things have freed us from the from our normal levels of polite discretion. Now we shall have a have a little spring of dickishness,

but I do think it. You know, this is we're back to this idea that invisible impression is the hardest to fight, right, that not being oppressed at all is the worst kind of oppression. Right, I mean the idea that middle class white dudes and upper middle class white dudes are the real victims here of American culture today. There, you know, whenever I see a guy in the last like forty eight hours seventy two hours on Twitter. Who starts out saything like, well, I don't like everything Trump did,

but you know the Jews control everything. When I see that, all I can think of is, man, I just feel so bad for your for your economic anxiety. If your economic anxiety for more than four years, talk to your doctor. And I look, a lot of these, a lot of these people who are trying to run for office as election deniers and conspiracy goons are gonna win, and it's gonna get more normalized, and it's gonna get more regularized.

That's gonna get more Two years ago, Marjorie Taylor Green was unacceptable and must descript of her committees by the Republicans. Now she is the most powerful Republican in the new caucus that will be elected, and it's going to be a Republican majority so far. Sorry, folks, math and redistricting suck. She's now the most powerful person in that caucus. She's runs the Republican caucus. She's every morning, Kevin McCarthy, they're gonna go knock on the door and go go get

the gimp. Gim Sleeping Marge wants the gimp, and they're gonna haul McCarthy out there, and he's gonna dance like a like a robot to what Marjore Taylor Green wants.

And she's gonna want the impeachment of Joe Biden. Two years of Hunter Biden laptop investigations, and on and on and on and on and on we have, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green, if she is the sort of queen of the House and McCarthy is the speaker or Jim Jordan's is the speaker, he really could see a Republican House that really hurts puplkins in and spend the next two years. No, no, look, this is all over again.

Where in ninety four the Republicans want a huge majority, they overreached in ninety four, and so in ninety six Clinton was able to win. And then in right, these people they got so over their skis, and you know, and and believe me, who doesn't who doesn't yearn for the days of impeachments over blow jobs or just yearn from Maybe maybe that'll be cut out of the final version.

But but but you know they're going to go and remember what happens now is going to be amplified to a degree that was unimaginable back then with social media and this integrated right wing media ecosystem, and it's going to sound and look to American voters not just like the other parties in charge, but like the craziest people you ever saw were in charge. You know, I didn't add the other day it was very much a gen

x ad. It was called Large March. It was about, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green, and it was a play on Large March from Petee Herman and I had people saying, like, oh my god, she is the craziest, craziest lady I've ever seen. And it just struck me that people have not priced in the fact that when reporters on congressional matters in the next two years are covering, they're going to her first, not to Kevin, not to Steve Schools,

not to at least to Phonic. Well, although you know, Atleastphonic. Yeah, of course, at least to Phonic is now just like Marjorie Taylor Green. They can't fake it anymore. They can't fake it. Reuben Diego represents Arizona's seventh congressional district. Welcome to fast Politics, Reuben Diego, God damn it I wanted to see, or a congressman because you're a fancy congressman. I'm a fancy man. Yeah, very speaking of which, okay, make me feel better. Our Democrats going to get shellacked

in this mid terms. No. Look, if you would have asked any you know, congressman, pronosticator or just political nerd, how would the Democrats do after winning the presidential election, they would say, of course, we're going to lose because

like the party empire always loses. The fact is right now, it's the Republicans are losing the Senate race, and you know, the House races like it's up in the air and it shouldn't even be up in the air, right, And so I tells you how bad the you know, the brand of the Repulican Party is that they're still trying to figure out how to get to a majority even after the all the Germany wins that they have. So, you know, keep the faith. We're on the way, all right.

So talk to me about You are from probably one of the most important states in the country because it is like, has a lot going Yes, it's the best, it's near, yes, but it's also got a lot going on. What is happening in Arizona and explain to us, because I mean, all I see is terrifying blurry carry lake everywhere. You know, Arizona has moved to a very competitive state. Normally, if you find us in an off your election, we're not very and we're not very compelible state for Democrats.

But look, Arizona has been moving the right way because the Arizona Decratic Party, Arizona Democrats, we just know how to fight, and the Republican Party is just well not Republican party. But the candidans they put up this year are just a bunch of wackos up and down the ticket, and so we've effectively been able to fight that argument. Now, it's still a kind of you know, swing state, so Repuglicans are always going to get closed at least for this cycle. But you know, we're in the thick of it.

Our polling shows that the Democrats going up and down the ticket and we're just trying to go all the way. But you can't deny that it's a tight race, because again Arizona is a swing State's always going to be tight, at least for the next couple of cycles. Yes, it's always been going to be tight. But it feels like from where I am, which is quite far away, that Carry Lake is fighting in a way that her opponent, Katie Hobbs is not. Well. They have two different styles.

I would say one is kung fu, the other one is jiu jitsu, and I think Katie Hobbs is doing jiu jitsu where you know, Carry is mostly just kind of throwing haymakers. Everyone see what she could end at the end of the day. You know, I think the quality of the messaging matters, and I think Carry Lake's messaging is not that great. When it comes to the electorate,

Donald Trump is very unpopular in Arizona. I think Carry Lake is Pike ex doing a little too close to him, and that's why the elections are you know, one or two points with Katie Hobbs in the lead or or or one of points behind. But like it's still a very competitive race. There are a lot of people listeners podcast who are pretty committed Democrats who are pretty freaked out. So what would you tell them? Stop being freaked out,

stop letting other people freak you out. Just continue to call un raised, door knock and pushed through the campaign. This is an environment that's being built up by the media. The fact that we're still in the hunt should tell you a lot where the public is versus where the media is. Because the media was telling us that Democrats were dead in the water four months ago, three months ago, two months ago, one month ago, two weeks ago, and yet we're still here. So stop looking to the media

to give you direction. Just put your head down, hit the doors, get on the phones, don'tate to your favorite candidates, and let's just win this. So let's talk about your favorite candidates. Who are candidates that our listeners should be maybe donating to, who aren't on their radar. I would say to down in southern Florida, rebect to us Censio,

who was a last minute run against Carlos Himenez. He is a former police officer, army veteran, former state legislator and uh, you know, with very little support, has is within three points of Carlos Himenez and any money going towards him right now is going to go very very long way. Also, Annette to Dale, who is really like

a rock star candidate Colombian origin. You know, one of those people that you can't really you know, especially down in Uh, Florida, where they you know, you claim that, you know, they try to claim everyone's the sources are communists. Her parents were literally kidnapped by communists in Colombia. She owns her own small business. I mean, she is great. And she was the first Colombian born in Colombia, an American ice citizen, nationally citizen, to become a member of Congress.

And so those two are really really strong pickups. I think Yadida Catta veil in Colorado. And then for Arizona, Jevin Hodge who's running against Dave Schweigert. It's been keeping a very tight Every poll has him tied. And then Kristin ingled on southern Arizona, the former Givers district. Again every poll has them tied. But because you were a flyover state, a lot of the I would say, a lot of the money kind of misses these two races.

Talk to me about one of the things that there's a lot of coverage about is this idea that Democrats can't win Latinos or the Democrats are losing that group. Can you talk about that? Sure? Look in some areas we are losinging Latinos, which I mean we're losing them. We're not winning them by as much as we used to write, and sometimes that does matter depending on what happens. Sometimes we are winning Latinos by smaller margins, but there

are now more Latinos, so it doesn't really matter. So like as a population expands, we're winning six right, So at the end of the day, that's still a winning margin. Some areas, it shows us what happens when you don't do work. You know, Southern Texas there's been years and years of neglect. Southern Florida was in years and years of neglect. It's going to take us a while to

really start coming back. And then there's really good examples of the opposite of that, you know, California, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada. I mean, there's a lot of places you're seeing that work doesn't matter. But you know, you have to make them put the money and you have to put the investment in. You know, the Latino vote, it's not that

it's a swing vote. It's either a I'm not going to vote where I'm going to vote, and then maybe some people are always going to vote Republican, Like the Latino population is always gonna be Republican and the voting Republican. And the trick for Republicans is they just need to like shave off three to four points in order for them to really affect an election. So you know, our job is to hold them and expand them. Talk to me about what you think Democrats could do better with them.

I mean, there's been a lot of talk about this, but I still feel like we're not quite hearing what do you think Democrats could do better to make a case to those voters. Well, the most important group among the Latino voters that are the swing voters are the male voters. Male Latino voters, and they're very different from everybody else. You have to reach out to them. You have to talk to them about things that matter to them, which is very working class issues, making a salary, buying

a home, starting a business, having security. A lot of times we don't really reach out to them. They're very hard population to reach out to. They're they're not watching TV. There a lot of times they are working all day, so radio is kind of the places to be. So you just need to reach out to them way earlier. You need to talk to him about like the success of the binding campaign, right now. You know, Latino unemployment

is the lowest that's ever been. We have the highest amount of businesses being started by Latinos in the history of this country. So we have a lot of successes we can talk about, and we also should be talking about what we could be doing in the future, like you know, more small business loans, you know, helping people get by their first homes, child tax credit, all these things that I think are you know, extremely extremely important. And we have to recognize that they do worry about crying.

A lot of us live in neighborhoods that aren't exactly what people would say are safe, and so you need to talk to them about how, yes, we are the party that's actually been helping trying to get you know, police back into onto the streets after being fired from after being waylaid by COVID or because like you know, prevented cities from firing up on too police officers because of you know, downturns and tax me there's a lot of we'll be talking about we to actually be reaching

out to them. So you think ultimately the sort of the way to get to those voters is to appeal to working class concerned Yes, I mean Latinos in general are working class. I mean that's also the same, by the way, for African Americans everything else. Like they're all working class, and we just we need to talk to them, and you know, by how we would talk to any other working class people. And I don't think we were doing that. I think we think that they are somehow

like white liberal adjacent removed and they're not. So talk to me about sort of what you when you talk to people who are Latino working class, Like, what are the sort of things you talk about in order to

kind of sell the Democratic ideas? Well? I well, I saw bio because like I saw my bio to them, I talked about being a veteran, about serving my country, about loving story of my country, about the American dream, about how everything that we do as Democrats is to for the American dream, like making you know, college affordable, making it easier for you to start a business, making it you know, you're able to buy a home. You know,

so like that is the key to this. Also making sure that you're talking about, you know the contrast between the Republicans, who are you going to support corporations versus you know, Democrats going to support workers. And then I bring in my bio into as someone who worked his way through college and you know it worked at me packing factories and constructing sites like these are the things

that they can kind of connect to. But not being afraid to engage really into the conversation about you know, economics, and not being afraid to say, like, you know what, billionaires should be paying their their fair share and you should be making a higher wage. Like that's okay to be having these conversations, but we we tend for something to not tie these conversations with Latino males, which I

think is short sighted. It's funny because I think of like Biden, his whole thing is he's a working class guy, right, I mean he's actually from a working class family as opposed to like a pretend working class guy and Democrats ultimately, right, I mean none of you know, these are working class things where the party is trying to get for. It's can still too, and so it is strange that there's a disconnect where you have Republicans people like Ted Cruz.

I mean, part of it, we just don't talk about it, Like for example, we're bringing a freaking chip plan to Ohio, A microchip plan to Ohio. If this had happened on the Trump he would have been there every week talking about like bringing microchip industry, the industrial based back to Ohio. We don't really talk about our successes like this is a big, big deal. The fact that we're going to bring you, you know, manufacturing, high end manufacturing back to

Nasty is not just Ohio. We literally should be bragging about this from the top of our lungs, and we we don't. I don't know why we don't, but we really should. And and that's this one area that we're missing right now. Like when I talked to Latinos about the IRA and about Biparti infrastructure deal, I don't actually talk about getting to the weeds. What I literally tell him is we're gonna have billions of dollars trillions of

dollars of construction jobs coming back. And it's much easier for me when I talked to a Latino country when I say construction jobs, then trying to say, oh, we have some very green jobs that are sustainable, blah blah blah. No, just say construction jobs, right. Like the people you're talking to are not master, they're not you know, they don't have degrees in in in you know, policy. They're very bright people, they're very motivate paople, they're very innovative people. Right,

but the nuance isn't important. No, don't even talk with nuances. Just just cut to the chase. Yeah, we're bringing new jobs, better paying jobs, construction jobs, road jobs, bridges, like we can't get into this, like we're creating a new green economy, and then be surprised when he doesn't hit with people. So I had um Andrew Ross Sorkin on the podcast and he was talking about what a Democratic president could do to ease inflation, and one of the things he

said was solve our immigration problem. It feels like there's a lot of like nobody wants to deal with it, right, Like Republicans want to put all immigrants in jail or fly them around the country and use them as props. Denmocrats don't want to deal with it either. Okay, that's not true either, Like like Democrats you want to, like we pass several immigration laws and they just get bottled

up in the Senate because of the filibuster. So like number one, let's not put this like this is a very by the way, this is a very insidious trope that the Republicans use, like, oh, Democrats don't want to save this either. No, we pass bills every time we have control, and the Republicans used the filibuster to stop it. Right. The Republicans need immigration for them to actually be able

to split our base of working class voters. So every time we we do we every time we ask for any compromisers, and we do compromise, they always like change the goal polls. Right, So you know, do you want to deal with inflation? Yeah, Like partly is because we have a labor slack right now. There's not enough workers for a lot of the things we need to do. And even when we do get out of inflation, we're

still not gonna have enough workers. And we should have a very flexible, you know, visa program to bring workers over so they don't come over illegally. But like, let's not fall on this trap like that. Both sides you know, are not are not trying to sell this. No, we try saw this all the time. The Republicans will always find a way to filibuster it, and yeah, they'll point

out to oh, one Democrat also participant in filibuster. But this is a national solution that is needed, and the Republicans are never participating in it, So how could Democrats get Republicans to participate in it? Honestly, it's not gonna happen. Let's be clear. There's never gonna be immigration reform that

involves Republicans being controlled. It's just not gonna happen. We have to have control of the House, and we had to have control of the Senate enough to overcome a filibuster or enough or get rid of the filibuster, and then we get confer immigration form that we passed that has a pathway citizenship, you know, brings off the security to the border, brings you know, some stability and predictability people that want to apply for, you know, for immigration

visa things of that nature, work visas. And that's like this obsession that Republicans are not going to take part of it. They haven't. They voted literally, they voted against their own bill, the bills that they've written in the past. Right, So, like give up on this idea. Either we get this done on our own, or we just assume that's never gonna happen, because we're not gonna get Republicans on this. This is not gonna happen when you primary in Karston Cinema.

That's a good job, good trying. So that's yes, you're not gonna get me on a roll. And to be like, you know, just say a random The answer the same, my first rodeo, the same, my first rodeo. It's worth a shot, man, it's worth a shot. Right, you shot your shot. I don't blame you. I get it. Thank you so much Ruben for coming in the podcast. No

problem to you soon. Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr. Is the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, and Kim t He is the Cherokee Nation's nominee to their delegation in Congress. Welcome to Fast Politics, Chief Chuck Hoskin. Hello, this is Chief Chuck Hoskin, and welcome Kim Teh. Hi. Good morning, this is Kim t He. I am super excited to have you both here, Chief Hoskin. Can you explain a little bit about who you are and the group that

you represent and sort of get us all up to speed. Sure. Well, I'm Chuck Hoskin, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, that is, the elected chief executive of the Cherokee Nation, where the largest tribe in the United States. Just to get a sense of our government. We have a government that has a chief executive, but which I'm the top elected official. We have a legislative branch, we have an independent judiciary,

and of course Kim t he's with us. So I have a number of folks that I appoint to carry out various executive functions. And of course hers is so exciting because it reaches back to a treaty to effectuated right that the Cherokee people have dating back two years. So tell us about this treaty. Well, Kim is well versed on it, but I'll say this. The treaty that we're talking about is the Treaty of eighteen thirty five, and it is a treaty that was the basis for

our forced removal. A lot of your listeners may be familiar with the Trail of Tears, that's the forced removal of the Cherokee people and other tribes in the southeastern part of the United States to our new homeland. It was a very traumatic period of time, very dark chapter in the history of the United States. So that treat is often regarded by the Cherokee people rightfully so as

a real symbol of injustice in this country. But within it is something very powerful, which is provision that says that the Cherokee Nations shall have a delegate in the House of Representatives when Congress shall make provision for the same. Well, here we are, I said two hundred years earlier. Were over a hundred and eighty years later. Uh, And we

are asking Congress to make provision for the same. And and I have selected, and our council has confirmed someone who's just perfect for and that's Kim Teh and who who knows the treaty history and knows exactly what to do when she gets seated in the Congress. Kim, will you explain to me this would mean that the Cherokee Nation would finally have it would just be your group alone that would be represented by this congress person. Yes,

the treaty right is with the Cherokee Nation. As Chief mentioned, we are the largest fadily recognized Indian tribe. I also want to say to that the Removal Treaty importantly is considered the supreme law of the land. It was ratified by the Senate and signed by the President United States, and it's never been aggregated. So it's been it's been confirmed as a ballot treaty. Right, I just want to reiterate that, and the treaty, right, this particular treaty, right

is just with the Cherokee Nation. There would be no floodgates opening here. There are two other treaties that exist out there that we're aware of regarding to other tribes. But that's it. This is really interesting. So this would be the first time that even though you guys are entitled to this congressional seed, and you have been for two hundred years, this would be an addition of a

voting seat. At least you are entitled to it. But it would be the first kind of addition, right, this particular treaty, right, this delegate would be a non voting delicate similar to how US territory delegates d see Quam exactly, Puerto Rico exactly. It would be non voting. I mean, the the reason that it would be non voting is because the treaty specifies it's it's a delegate, and as we know, their delegates have existed in the body of the House since the early days of the Republic. So

as as non voting members. It's kind of unfair that you guys don't get voting membership in the on the for the country that you've you know, lived in longer than anyone you know, and there I think there's something to that, But I think we should think about it

this way. This is a treaty provision that was between two sovereign nations, and in the history of the House of Representatives, you don't really see another sovereign nation represented in the House, so it's it's certainly unique in that regard. So that's one thing to think about. The other thing is this, Yes, we would love for Kim to have a vote on the final passage of legislation, but what's so important in the Congress is what happens at the

committee level. What happens when legislation is introduced. The matters who is on a key committee that is making arguments and advocating for or against a measure, And Kim t he of course is well suited from her background to do all of that effectively. So for the Cherokee nation to have a champion inside of Congress, and look, she'll be a champion for all of Indian country. I'm talking about all tribes in terms of our shared interest. That's

really powerful. So you know, my focus is more on the fact that this is a unique moment in history. It's the question whether the United States is a country of its word. The answer has to be yes. And when the country says yes, Kim t he will be a really effective and powerful voice for Indian country, irrespective of whether she has that vote on final passage. So I think it's a really positive thing. When will you

find out and what are the next steps? So we've asked for a hearing this fall, but we want more than a hearing. We want to vote. And the process is that the House Rules Committee has jurisdiction over seating the delegate, and what's necessary is for the committee to consider a House resolution and for the House to vote straight up and down. Seating the Cherokee Nations delegate does not require a vote in the Senate. All that is

just a vote of the House. And the reason that is is because, as I mentioned earlier, is that our treaty was already ratified by the Senate and signed by the President United States. It's already the supreme the land. So it just requires as a straight up and down vote in the House. If Democrats lose the House, does that make it less likely? Well, we've waited nearly two hundred years and we're eager to get this done this year.

And so I've built a career on working with both sides of the aisle, and we'll cross that bridge when we get there. The Supreme Court passed down this ruling about criminal prosecutions on tribal lands without the consent of of tribes. How does this affect you, guys? You know that was such a powerful decision by the Supreme Corps. You're referencing the mcgard decision in two thousand and twenty.

The question before the the Court was similar in a way to the question we're presenting to the Congress, which is whether the United States has to keep its word uh in an Indian treaty, because that's what the McGirt case was about, whether the reservations within the state of Oklahoma of five tribes, including the Cherokee Nation, had been

dismantled disestablished by the Congress. The Court found that they had not, and it and it just reaffirmed, in fact, the first line of that case from justice course, which was at the end of the trail of Tears was a promise. Now that's such a powerful statement because the Trail of Tears again was that act of injustice by the United States, and part of that promise at the end of the Trail of Tears was that Cherokee Nation

would have a delegate. So when you have the Supreme Court saying a promise made is a promise kept in an Indian treaty, which is Kim said, is the supreme law of the land, that really bolsters I think our argument that the right to a delegate is the supreme law of the land. It's a promise that ought to be kept. I think keeping this promise is absolutely inescapable if this country is to be the kind of country

want we wanted to be. And I think all Americans would agree with that if they explored the history that Kim and I know so will. So let's talk about that for a minute because one of the things that's happened recently is that. And again, I know you guys are not partisan, and life is hard enough, so I don't want you to feel like I'm asking you to be partisan. But one of the things that RHN de Santis recently said was that it's not true that America was built on stolen land. It seems like it is

true that America was built on stolen land. I heard that comment and I thought it was breathtaking in its ignorance. But here's the thing. I think that you know, as a well known a governor as he is, I think most of the country, on the on a bipartisan basis, doesn't see the world that way. And that's my frame of reference. Here in Oklahoma, where we have such a wonderful working relationship with our delegation, where we work on a bipartisan basis, there is still, though some level of

ignorance in this country about its history. It is true that Cherokee Nation and of the tribes were here first. I mean, that's the reason that we have a relationship with the United States. That's a sovereign to sovereign relationship.

There's a reason for that because we pre existed the United States, and we could certainly Kim and I take you through a long history course on the session of Cherokee Nation land, how that land was taken, and even how it was diminished after the imposition of the state of Oklahoma on our lands. But I think for most Americans. What they really find compelling is that their country ought

to be a country of its word. I think most Americans think that way, and so I'm counting on that as the House of Representatives consider seating kim t. It's such a powerful message and so important, and I feel like there's been so much wrong done to our Native people that it just seems so profoundly like the least we could do as a country. What do our listeners are people listening here who like, what can they do

to support this quest? Well, we've got a mobilization effort underway for not only our citizens, but also anyone who supports Cherokee Nations efforts to have Congress see the delegate. They can simply go to Cherokee delegate dot com and contact our members of Congress and tell them to see the delegate. That's the this year. That's the that's the I guess, biggest thing that can occur that would be helpful to us. I also want to mention too, that

you know, we're not alone in this effort. We've got broad support all of thrall all throughout the United States, from Indian tribes and travel organizations, and so we we are actively trying to get the delegate seated this year, and that mobilization effort and that website that I just mentioned is something something that everyone can do. Yeah, okay, well, thank you guys so much. Good luck, very important, and I look forward to having you back as a congresswoman.

Thank you so much. Thank you. Rick Wilson. Yes, and so we are going to do a moment of fuckery t M. And my moment of fuckery is when Laura Ingram said that the attack on Paul Pelosi was really, really bad and it was going to cause the left to try and come for not the Second Amendment, but the first You know, Proud Ingraham is a woman of

tremendous anger. I could speculate on the origins of that anger, from whatever source of deprivation and pain she speaks from, but I try to not imagine her in any circumstances. But the idea that the left is going to turn this around and like have revengeous attacks on maga's is insanity.

And the fact is, let's not forget something. People. A year and a half ago, the vast majority of republic sat and watched Trump's hoarde attack the US capital seek out to kill and and and kidnap Democratic members of Congress and the Senate, beat cops with flagpoles, and throw this country into absolute chaos. So the idea that the left is somehow the font of violence right now is laughable.

And the idea that you know, you spent years with Donald Trump up at every damn rally saying like, not the hell out of that guy, I'll pay for your legal bills, um, didn't seep into their heads. And look it's in a more serious note. It's also, of course, I don't think Donald Trump has paid for anything in the last fifty years. Well maybe on a more serious note, this is a culture of political violence. It is a common aspect of authoritarian regimes and movements. As they become empowered,

it will not stop, it will escalate. They will excuse it, They will have to try to have deniability until they don't need deniability. They will they will they will pretend it's it's not about them until it's absolutely really about them,

because it's really about them. I think it's gonna be a tremendously challenging period of time between election day this year, which is going to be chaotic, and you know, Republicans are going to lose elections, and they're going to go into the streets and be crazy, and they're gonna win elections, and you know, declare that they are now the logical choice in America must about their needs and desires. So I think that is a superb moment of factory, my

moment of fuckory. I don't want if I'm not I'm not trying to hate on Elon every single day this week. But the idea that absolute free speech on a private platform it's a constitutionally protected right, is as ludicrous as one can imagine. They don't want to be treated like a publisher under Section to thirty, but they want to pretend that they get the benefits of protecting the most heinous and egregious kind of speech. And I really think he is He did this as a prank and as

a troll. I think he's part of that tech bro libertarian weird culture in the valley, and they really think that they are much smarter than the rest of America. Listen, I know what rockets are, and I'm actually know some things about them. I don't build rockets. Elan built pretty good rockets. But the idea that he understands American society at a granular level and and thinks that there's going to be a public good that emerges from mainlining and

mainstreaming overt racism and anti semitism and violence. Really blows me away, And I think it is. I think it is a political, a moral, and a business blind spot that will probably cost him status and money as as we go forward. I have to say, what I think is so amazing about this whole thing is like, he is quite rich, but he's still he's not so rich that he can afford to lose twenty billion dollars by

making Twitter into four Jaan. Well, you know, we're gonna see what what his business risk tolerances for this, and we're going to see if it's a great idea to essentially take that billion dollar pile of money and set it on fire because some tech pros think that that anti semitism online isn't a problem and that you don't really need to moderate any kind of content on a on a publicly facing platform. That's it for this episode

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